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2014-07-02 06:55:02 PM  
Great way to get the message to the masses!
 
2014-07-02 07:23:37 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-07-02 07:51:00 PM  
Hobby Lobby covered and will continue to cover 16 of 20 FDA approved forms of birth control.
 
2014-07-02 07:52:10 PM  
I saw this yesterday before it was cool.
 
2014-07-02 07:53:23 PM  
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2014-07-02 07:54:01 PM  

cchris_39: Hobby Lobby covered and will continue to cover 16 of 20 FDA approved forms of birth control.


Yea, so?
 
2014-07-02 07:57:54 PM  
that was awesome.
 
2014-07-02 08:00:20 PM  

cchris_39: Hobby Lobby covered and will continue to cover 16 of 20 FDA approved forms of birth control.


They also have invested, Ave will continue to invest in, the companies that produce the 4 forms of birth control they are so vehemently against.

Look, I can bring up random tangential shiat on the internet too!
 
2014-07-02 08:00:58 PM  

YodaTuna: cchris_39: Hobby Lobby covered and will continue to cover 16 of 20 FDA approved forms of birth control.

Yea, so?


So it turns out all the "war on women" and other butthurt is completely unwarranted.

Their health insurance covers multiple forms of birth control.
 
2014-07-02 08:01:04 PM  

cchris_39: Hobby Lobby covered and will continue to cover 16 of 20 FDA approved forms of birth control.


we should send them a thank you card, do we address that to the corporate address or their home address? hmmmm... they'll probably never get it if we send it to the corporate one, home it is!
 
2014-07-02 08:03:59 PM  

cchris_39: YodaTuna: cchris_39: Hobby Lobby covered and will continue to cover 16 of 20 FDA approved forms of birth control.

Yea, so?

So it turns out all the "war on women" and other butthurt is completely unwarranted.

Their health insurance covers multiple forms of birth control.


And if you don't use one of the ones they have, well, tough luck. Also, I assume you're aware that the day after the decision, the Court said that those 16 forms are also eligible to be dropped from coverage, right?

In any case, the problem is the absurd precedent the Supreme Court created in granting HL this exception.
 
2014-07-02 08:05:17 PM  
Joe lies.....Joe lies.....Joes lies.....when he cries
 
2014-07-02 08:05:45 PM  

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: cchris_39: Hobby Lobby covered and will continue to cover 16 of 20 FDA approved forms of birth control.

They also have invested, Ave will continue to invest in, the companies that produce the 4 forms of birth control they are so vehemently against.

Look, I can bring up random tangential shiat on the internet too!


The 401k plan is the employees' money, not Hobby Lobby's.
 
2014-07-02 08:05:46 PM  
She didn't really say "shut shamming geezers" did she?

Yeah that's 100% right but still.
 
2014-07-02 08:06:55 PM  

cchris_39: Hobby Lobby covered and will continue to cover 16 of 20 FDA approved forms of birth control.


and the many OTHER companies who were also part of the case however WILL NOT.
 
2014-07-02 08:10:09 PM  

Corvus: cchris_39: Hobby Lobby covered and will continue to cover 16 of 20 FDA approved forms of birth control.

and the many OTHER companies who were also part of the case however WILL NOT.


Are there any religions othe than the Catholics that object to all forms of birth control?
 
2014-07-02 08:15:18 PM  

cchris_39: YodaTuna: cchris_39: Hobby Lobby covered and will continue to cover 16 of 20 FDA approved forms of birth control.

Yea, so?

So it turns out all the "war on women" and other butthurt is completely unwarranted.

Their health insurance covers multiple forms of birth control.


So women's rights were only a little bit infringed to appease some people's rank scientific ignorance? I guess it's all good then.
 
2014-07-02 08:19:18 PM  

cchris_39: NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: cchris_39: Hobby Lobby covered and will continue to cover 16 of 20 FDA approved forms of birth control.

They also have invested, Ave will continue to invest in, the companies that produce the 4 forms of birth control they are so vehemently against.

Look, I can bring up random tangential shiat on the internet too!

The 401k plan is the employees' money, not Hobby Lobby's.


Health coverage is the employees compensation, not Hobby Lobby's.
 
2014-07-02 08:24:36 PM  

Atillathepun: cchris_39: NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: cchris_39: Hobby Lobby covered and will continue to cover 16 of 20 FDA approved forms of birth control.

They also have invested, Ave will continue to invest in, the companies that produce the 4 forms of birth control they are so vehemently against.

Look, I can bring up random tangential shiat on the internet too!

The 401k plan is the employees' money, not Hobby Lobby's.

Health coverage is the employees compensation, not Hobby Lobby's.


Really, where on your tax return do you report it?

I know you libs would love to tax it but for now it's an expense to the employer and NOT income to the employee.
 
2014-07-02 08:32:25 PM  

cchris_39: YodaTuna: cchris_39: Hobby Lobby covered and will continue to cover 16 of 20 FDA approved forms of birth control.

Yea, so?

So it turns out all the "war on women" and other butthurt is completely unwarranted.

Their health insurance covers multiple forms of birth control.


So what's the critical mass of medication that businesses can decide to not cover for you to care?  It doesn't matter if it's 1 or 100, the concept is the same, the ruling is pure idiocy.
 
2014-07-02 08:33:34 PM  

cchris_39: Really, where on your tax return do you report it?


Uhm, on my tax returns, I always have to put in contributions to health plans, HSAs and so on. Or maybe I'm special because i itemize?
 
2014-07-02 08:43:50 PM  

YodaTuna: cchris_39: YodaTuna: cchris_39: Hobby Lobby covered and will continue to cover 16 of 20 FDA approved forms of birth control.

Yea, so?

So it turns out all the "war on women" and other butthurt is completely unwarranted.

Their health insurance covers multiple forms of birth control.

So what's the critical mass of medication that businesses can decide to not cover for you to care?  It doesn't matter if it's 1 or 100, the concept is the same, the ruling is pure idiocy.


Were you under the impression that Obamacare provides zero out of pocket costs for all prescription drugs?

If you're feeling persecuted that only have 16 free options available to you, you need to talk to people who need real prescriptions.
 
2014-07-02 08:44:14 PM  

cchris_39: YodaTuna: cchris_39: Hobby Lobby covered and will continue to cover 16 of 20 FDA approved forms of birth control.

Yea, so?

So it turns out all the "war on women" and other butthurt is completely unwarranted.

Their health insurance covers multiple forms of birth control.


The claim that it's a war on women is garbage on its face. Employees will still get their meds free of charge, Hobby Lobby just doesn't have to pay for it. This is a war on Religious Freedom by anti-christian bigots and the misinformed as evidenced by the arguments against the decision.
 
2014-07-02 08:44:54 PM  

YodaTuna: cchris_39: YodaTuna: cchris_39: Hobby Lobby covered and will continue to cover 16 of 20 FDA approved forms of birth control.

Yea, so?

So it turns out all the "war on women" and other butthurt is completely unwarranted.

Their health insurance covers multiple forms of birth control.

So what's the critical mass of medication that businesses can decide to not cover for you to care?  It doesn't matter if it's 1 or 100, the concept is the same, the ruling is pure idiocy.


I guess if the government only bans 20% of all models of hand guns, rifles, and revolvers that will be okay as well, as the ban would leave multiple forms of firearms allow, so gun owners even complaints and butthurt about such a ban would be completely unwarranted. Right?
 
2014-07-02 08:45:46 PM  
Wow, I didn't rewrite that sentence very much good, did I?
 
2014-07-02 08:53:46 PM  

cchris_39: YodaTuna: cchris_39: YodaTuna: cchris_39: Hobby Lobby covered and will continue to cover 16 of 20 FDA approved forms of birth control.

Yea, so?

So it turns out all the "war on women" and other butthurt is completely unwarranted.

Their health insurance covers multiple forms of birth control.

So what's the critical mass of medication that businesses can decide to not cover for you to care?  It doesn't matter if it's 1 or 100, the concept is the same, the ruling is pure idiocy.

Were you under the impression that Obamacare provides zero out of pocket costs for all prescription drugs?

If you're feeling persecuted that only have 16 free options available to you, you need to talk to people who need real prescriptions.


All 20 are still free to employees. This defense of the decision is irrelevant and contributes to the misinformation.
 
2014-07-02 09:20:44 PM  

xria: I guess if the government only bans 20% of all models of hand guns, rifles, and revolvers that will be okay as well, as the ban would leave multiple forms of firearms allow, so gun owners even complaints and butthurt about such a ban would be completely unwarranted. Right?


Isn't that a bit of a strawman, though? I mean, yes, this is a shiatty ruling, but this doesn't ban anything. This exempts Hobby Lobby from being required to provide an insurance plan that covers birth control products, meaning that they do not have to pay for a plan which includes coverage for that (I won't get into the hypocrisy of not wanting to pay for insurance products which may include coverage for that but investing in companies that make said products, as well as drugs that do worse to the human body).

So, in this regard, the employee is still free to purchase and use whatever form of birth control they wish, or purchase separate, supplemental coverage which provides coverage for birth control (And I won't get into wrong it is that we now have "Seperate but equal" insurance plans, meaning women now have to purchase a separate, special plan to cover these medications where a man would not require such treatment).

I'd say that ideally we would either require insurance companies to cover everything, period, and screw the companies that don't want to cover certain things, since the insurance would be mandated to cover all things doctor-prescribed, etc., without exemption. And, ideally, this would extend to covering corrective eyewear, eye care, dental care, etc, because healthcare is healthcare.

I'd also say that ideally employers would pay a living wage, period, and may offer optionally healthcare coverage, 401k, etc., but make the market much more robust for individuals to directly buy quality health insurance, have a much more robust option for investing in retirement, etc, taking the employers out of the equation entirely.

However, in this country we've become so used to the concept that health insurance (as shiatty as it is in most places) is a benefit that is offered to employees, and it's become entrenched that it's okay for corporations to basically offer it in lieu of paying a higher wage (since the average per-employee cost for their insurance due to large bulk package negotiation is far less than paying everyone a true living wage), and we accept that, then we accept it when corporations reduce coverage or weasel out of coverage because they want a cheaper plan and fark the masses.

ANother thing that strikes me, is that with this ruling, the majority basically said "You can't exempt this group for religious purposes and hold them to a different standard to this other group." And, I think that under the law, if you're going to make a special exception for one class of businesses and offer an alternative, then by rights other organizations should not be afforded the same benefit (likewise, this is why I think that special status for churches above other nonprofits or entities is dumb).

So, basically if we could get enough people in congress to act, the solution to this ruling would be much more simple: Repeal the RFRA, and amend the laws to essentially state that no one can opt out of covering medical care of any sort, period, end of statement.

I'm also sort of backing California's play, as unlikely as it is to succeed, to also hold a constitutional congress to draft an amendment that undoes Citizens United, but I think the likelihood of that happening is miniscule.

Bottom line: this ruling i've come to believe is really farking shiatty, and despite my personal view that there are options available, none of them are really good options considering the cost differential.

Now, if we can get a congress that will do something and will be arsed to pass an amended law as well as repeal the RFRA, and possibly pass a comprehensive campaign finance reform law, then maybe we'll get somewhere.
 
2014-07-02 09:21:22 PM  

CanisNoir: All 20 are still free to employees. This defense of the decision is irrelevant and contributes to the misinformation.


cdn.shopify.com
 
2014-07-02 09:26:03 PM  
Canis AND cchris in one thread? I don't think I can handle this level of whargarbbllll
 
2014-07-02 09:27:19 PM  
And her opinion is still worthless.
 
2014-07-02 09:28:16 PM  

cchris_39: The 401k plan is the employees' money, not Hobby Lobby's.


They don't do employer matching?  That's a shiatty 401(k) plan.
 
2014-07-02 09:32:38 PM  

Derwood: Canis AND cchris in one thread? I don't think I can handle this level of whargarbbllll


You can do it.  Turn into the wave!

www.modelermagic.com
 
2014-07-02 09:40:50 PM  
Every conservative who argues "b-b-but they still get 16 of 20 options" is ENTIRELY MISSING THE POINT of this decision
 
2014-07-02 10:02:14 PM  

cchris_39: YodaTuna: cchris_39: Hobby Lobby covered and will continue to cover 16 of 20 FDA approved forms of birth control.

Yea, so?

So it turns out all the "war on women" and other butthurt is completely unwarranted.

Their health insurance covers multiple forms of birth control.


man you are cracked. you realize that not all forms work for all people, and in fact all 20 have their place. To say what you said isn't just a war on women, it's a war on  freedom.Personal freedom. The type you try to give lip service to, when it supports your point.

But only then, eh?
 
2014-07-02 10:03:38 PM  
Corporations cannot have a religion

As such, the compensation provided to an employee by a corporation should not (though now it can) make moral decisions about what will/wont' be provided based on religion
 
2014-07-02 10:42:18 PM  
It's kind of sad that it took only a day for conservatives to go from rubbing the libs' noses in it to being completely proven wrong about the decision and its implications. There's not even a half hearted troll defense a day later. Good for Fark commenters, I guess, terrible for actual politics in the real world. It's pretty depressing.
 
2014-07-02 11:08:51 PM  

cchris_39: Hobby Lobby covered and will continue to cover 16 of 20 FDA approved forms of birth control.


The supremes announced later that their ruling applies to all forms of contraception, not just those four.  Of the many companies that are seeking to get their mandatory contraceptive coverage overturned in the wake of the Hobby Lobby decision, a lot of them are seeking to not cover contraception at all.
 
2014-07-02 11:28:51 PM  

cchris_39: Were you under the impression that Obamacare provides zero out of pocket costs for all prescription drugs?

If you're feeling persecuted that only have 16 free options available to you, you need to talk to people who need real prescriptions.


Yeah! Silly women!
 
2014-07-02 11:52:14 PM  

cchris_39: NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: cchris_39: Hobby Lobby covered and will continue to cover 16 of 20 FDA approved forms of birth control.

They also have invested, Ave will continue to invest in, the companies that produce the 4 forms of birth control they are so vehemently against.

Look, I can bring up random tangential shiat on the internet too!

The 401k plan is the employees' money, not Hobby Lobby's.


The insurance is the employees, not hobby lobbies. Insurance via employer is merely deferred wages for tax benefits and group rates. Hobby lobby isn't buying it, they don't own it, nor are they selling it. It is the employees compensation to do with as they please.
 
2014-07-02 11:56:37 PM  

Jaden Smith First of His Name: It's kind of sad that it took only a day for conservatives to go from rubbing the libs' noses in it to being completely proven wrong about the decision and its implications. There's not even a half hearted troll defense a day later. Good for Fark commenters, I guess, terrible for actual politics in the real world. It's pretty depressing.


They've already moved on to trying to be able to openly discriminate against hiring LGBT, they have no energy to defend a battle they already won when all resources are being poured into the next level of derp.
 
2014-07-03 12:03:45 AM  
This is your friendly reminder that Ruth Bader Ginsburg is 81 years old.  Please remember this when you vote for President in 2016.

/Scalia is 78
//Kennedy turns 78 in three weeks
///Breyer turns 76 next month
 
2014-07-03 02:09:39 AM  

cchris_39: YodaTuna: cchris_39: Hobby Lobby covered and will continue to cover 16 of 20 FDA approved forms of birth control.

Yea, so?

So it turns out all the "war on women" and other butthurt is completely unwarranted.

Their health insurance covers multiple forms of birth control.


1. Abstinence
2. Premature withdrawal
3. Rhythm method
4. Prayer
5. Lemons
6. Lysol
7. Coathangers
8. Queen Anne's Lace seeds
9. Mercury
10. Make him wear tight underwear
11. Hot baths
12. Pennyroyal tea
13. Falling down the stairs
14. Coca-Cola
15. Dried crocodile dung
16. Hysterectomy

But remember, The Pill is right out, because Jesus.
 
2014-07-03 03:52:53 AM  

cchris_39: Really, where on your tax return do you report it?


Mine were reported on each of mine. Didn't have to get taxed on it, though, but only because  it's specifically exempted from your income by federal law.
 
2014-07-03 04:38:01 AM  

flondrix: cchris_39: Hobby Lobby covered and will continue to cover 16 of 20 FDA approved forms of birth control.

The supremes announced later that their ruling applies to all forms of contraception, not just those four.  Of the many companies that are seeking to get their mandatory contraceptive coverage overturned in the wake of the Hobby Lobby decision, a lot of them are seeking to not cover contraception at all.




I'm sort of glad people are clarifying the Hobby Lobby stance because all the mouth breathers I've heard defending them have been arguing that no birth control should be covered, which was never the argument they were making. That said, it doesn't really make a huge difference since it opens the door. I am a little relieved that, to my knowledge, none of the forms of birth control that treat other medical conditions are being limited. I'd like to see all forms covered, but in the meantime I'm selfishly a bit relieved that ladies working for Hobby Lobby don't have to deal with the bullshiat that goes with weird hormones. Today I had my first genuine migraine related to being in the off week of a pill pack and hooooooooly shiat it's miserable.
 
2014-07-03 04:46:36 AM  

cchris_39: NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: cchris_39: Hobby Lobby covered and will continue to cover 16 of 20 FDA approved forms of birth control.

They also have invested, Ave will continue to invest in, the companies that produce the 4 forms of birth control they are so vehemently against.

Look, I can bring up random tangential shiat on the internet too!

The 401k plan is the employees' money, not Hobby Lobby's.


And the health insurance plan is the employees' earned compensation, not a political football for fundamentalist hypocrites who hold a majority of the shares in a corporation, which is a legal fiction that gives property the legal status of a person*.

*Purposes of corporations:
To avoid personal responsibility liability by shareholder/owners.
Contracts.
 
2014-07-03 04:52:31 AM  
This decision states that a corporation (a legal entity that should not have rights) has rights.

Every time corporations are given rights (citizens united) the rights of individuals are infringed.
 
2014-07-03 05:07:29 AM  
LOL. That was kind of cool. Needs more hip-hoppiness.

/You down with RBG?
 
2014-07-03 05:13:38 AM  

doloresonthedottedline: I am a little relieved that, to my knowledge, none of the forms of birth control that treat other medical conditions are being limited.


Hormonal IUDs - one of the four forms of BC not covered - are used quite a lot for women with painful and heavy periods. I got mine fitted at 18, before I'd even had sex. They also have been shown, IIRC, to reduce the rate of hysterectomies. But expensive and invasive surgeries are OK with Jesus, I guess.

/got mine in Australia, where it cost me $30 for the IUD and $100 for the fitting
 
2014-07-03 05:15:12 AM  
http://www.moonmontchronicle.com/supreme-court-rules-jcpenney-allowed - to-sacrifice-employees-to-appease-cthulhu.html

>July 1, 2014 - Citing the newly-established precedent of corporate-religious exemption, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled Tuesday in favor of JCPenney, upholding the company's right to sacrifice pure-hearted employees in order to assuage the Dread Lord Cthulhu, Bringer of Madness.

>The Penney estate, devout cultists and owners of the multibillion-dollar chain of mid-range department stores, joined by CEO Mike Ullman, sued the government in 2012 when new federal employee protections made it illegal for them to hire virgin maidens for the sole purpose of spilling their blood on the Altar of the Cosmos, with the hope that such an offering will prolong the Great Old One's slumber in the sunken city of R'lyeh.

>"We're not opposed to the practice of protecting and celebrating life set forth by your quaint, human Biblical standards," said Ullman last week on  Lou Dobbs Tonight. "But JCPenney is not that sort of company, for in his house at R'lyeh, dead Cthulhu waits dreaming. We see through the insignificance of your primitive ape society to the coming storm of insanity that is His rise."

>The case of Thurston v. JCPenney was decided 5-4, with the traditionally conservative justices forming the majority. Justice Kennedy, often the court's sole swing vote, was seen by reporters to be looking about warily and muttering to himself through much of the proceedings, as if hearing voices that weren't there.

/slashies because it's funny and relevant
//double slashies because I needed to add commentary to make myself feel better
 
GBB
2014-07-03 06:02:59 AM  

Harriet Vane: doloresonthedottedline: I am a little relieved that, to my knowledge, none of the forms of birth control that treat other medical conditions are being limited.

Hormonal IUDs - one of the four forms of BC not covered - are used quite a lot for women with painful and heavy periods. I got mine fitted at 18, before I'd even had sex. They also have been shown, IIRC, to reduce the rate of hysterectomies. But expensive and invasive surgeries are OK with Jesus, I guess.

/got mine in Australia, where it cost me $30 for the IUD and $100 for the fitting


So, the people in the land down under do work down under for reasonable rates?
 
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