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(Al Jazeera)   In a shocking turn of events, the Federal privacy board appointed by Obama to review the NSA's activities says that everything the NSA is doing is just peachy   (america.aljazeera.com) divider line 58
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2014-07-02 09:20:27 PM  
And by everything you mean 'not everything', I assume.
 
2014-07-02 10:15:07 PM  
Wasn't this the same privacy board that unilaterally came out against the last thing they looked into?
 
2014-07-02 10:17:54 PM  
The House Republicans could do something useful with their ODS and appoint their own independent commission to investigate the NSA, or perhaps Issa can put his committee on it. It's not as of theu can't ignore the "But... But... Bush" if they have a mind to, after all. Wonder when that'll happen.
 
2014-07-02 10:19:52 PM  

Jaden Smith First of His Name: Wasn't this the same privacy board that unilaterally came out against the last thing they looked into?


I believe they actually came out unilaterally against looking into anything

/Orwell wasn't too far off
 
2014-07-02 10:21:19 PM  
Well that should end that. I'm glad there's not a smidgen of wrongdoing there.
 
2014-07-02 10:26:59 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Jaden Smith First of His Name: Wasn't this the same privacy board that unilaterally came out against the last thing they looked into?

I believe they actually came out unilaterally against looking into anything

/Orwell wasn't too far off


I'm just going by NPR on my drive home. At first I had the same reaction like "Of course they did," then they followed up that this was the same council who previously came to the conclusion about some other spying operation was a flagrant violation of rights. Too lazy and drinking to look it up, which is why I phrased it as a question.
 
2014-07-02 10:38:06 PM  
Was watching a cspan panel over the weekend about intelligence oversight, and one of the panelist put it as that we are trying to decide 21 century issues with laws written in  the 1970's.
 
2014-07-02 10:38:30 PM  

Jaden Smith First of His Name: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Jaden Smith First of His Name: Wasn't this the same privacy board that unilaterally came out against the last thing they looked into?

I believe they actually came out unilaterally against looking into anything

/Orwell wasn't too far off

I'm just going by NPR on my drive home. At first I had the same reaction like "Of course they did," then they followed up that this was the same council who previously came to the conclusion about some other spying operation was a flagrant violation of rights. Too lazy and drinking to look it up, which is why I phrased it as a question.


And I'm sure you're probably right

/but damn, son... it was meant to be funny
//*sigh*
///what's that silly music playing in the background? dee dee, dee dee, dee dee dee...
 
2014-07-02 10:45:03 PM  

Mithiwithi: The House Republicans could do something useful

...

Prove it.
 
2014-07-02 10:56:04 PM  
I'm sure the Patriot Act did make this all legal. What's the problem?
 
2014-07-02 10:56:54 PM  
i825.photobucket.com
 
2014-07-02 11:36:15 PM  
It looks like...
You hire a thief to tell you nothing was stolen despite all the missing stuff.
 
2014-07-02 11:52:14 PM  

Surool: I'm sure the Patriot Act did make this all legal. What's the problem?


This is why I don't get the outrage over all of this. This has all been legal for a decade and a half. That's why they're not finding any "wrongdoing."

I tried to tell the idiots who were all for that idiotic legislation "would you be happy giving president Hillary Clinton this power?" And was told that I was either with us or against us...

Now watch my suprised face as republicans get all huffy when a democrat president uses the powers granted to him by their Farking law. Now I just quit, you don't get to be all against this now that there is a black democrat in office, you supported it for 10 years when it was your man.

You made the bed, Farking lie in it cock-gobblers.
 
2014-07-02 11:54:00 PM  

Jaden Smith First of His Name: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Jaden Smith First of His Name: Wasn't this the same privacy board that unilaterally came out against the last thing they looked into?

I believe they actually came out unilaterally against looking into anything

/Orwell wasn't too far off

I'm just going by NPR on my drive home. At first I had the same reaction like "Of course they did," then they followed up that this was the same council who previously came to the conclusion about some other spying operation was a flagrant violation of rights. Too lazy and drinking to look it up, which is why I phrased it as a question.


TFA covers it.

The board's validation of the controversial NSA surveillance program stands in contrast to its last report in January, when it argued that the NSA's collection of domestic calling records under Section 215 was unconstitutional.

Wonder what changed?
 
2014-07-02 11:57:32 PM  
because the u.s. is a fascism, so of course it's legal
 
2014-07-03 12:07:39 AM  
I suppose some of you think the old way was better? J Edgar and the Fibbies just spied on your ass with no oversight whatsoever, planted agents who actually blew shiat up and then prosecuted everyone incvolved?

You know, the good old days of freedom and democracy? Or we can go even further back, when they just hired the Pinkertons to do god knows what.
 
2014-07-03 12:07:44 AM  

The Homer Tax: Surool: I'm sure the Patriot Act did make this all legal. What's the problem?

This is why I don't get the outrage over all of this. This has all been legal for a decade and a half. That's why they're not finding any "wrongdoing."

I tried to tell the idiots who were all for that idiotic legislation "would you be happy giving president Hillary Clinton this power?" And was told that I was either with us or against us...

Now watch my suprised face as republicans get all huffy when a democrat president uses the powers granted to him by their Farking law. Now I just quit, you don't get to be all against this now that there is a black democrat in office, you supported it for 10 years when it was your man.

You made the bed, Farking lie in it cock-gobblers.


They divided and conquered us while the public's been asleep.

Partisans are responsible. All of them
 
2014-07-03 12:08:37 AM  

RedVentrue: The Homer Tax: Surool: I'm sure the Patriot Act did make this all legal. What's the problem?

This is why I don't get the outrage over all of this. This has all been legal for a decade and a half. That's why they're not finding any "wrongdoing."

I tried to tell the idiots who were all for that idiotic legislation "would you be happy giving president Hillary Clinton this power?" And was told that I was either with us or against us...

Now watch my suprised face as republicans get all huffy when a democrat president uses the powers granted to him by their Farking law. Now I just quit, you don't get to be all against this now that there is a black democrat in office, you supported it for 10 years when it was your man.

You made the bed, Farking lie in it cock-gobblers.

They divided and conquered us while the public's been asleep.

Partisans are responsible. All of them


You people are missing the point. The POTUS is BLAH!
 
2014-07-03 12:24:00 AM  

fusillade762: Jaden Smith First of His Name: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Jaden Smith First of His Name: Wasn't this the same privacy board that unilaterally came out against the last thing they looked into?

I believe they actually came out unilaterally against looking into anything

/Orwell wasn't too far off

I'm just going by NPR on my drive home. At first I had the same reaction like "Of course they did," then they followed up that this was the same council who previously came to the conclusion about some other spying operation was a flagrant violation of rights. Too lazy and drinking to look it up, which is why I phrased it as a question.

TFA covers it.

The board's validation of the controversial NSA surveillance program stands in contrast to its last report in January, when it argued that the NSA's collection of domestic calling records under Section 215 was unconstitutional.

Wonder what changed?


They investigated different sections and programs in the law and issued separate reports.
Spying on foreigners when their internet data comes through the US is okay.
Spying on citizens internet data not okay.
 
2014-07-03 12:39:28 AM  
We let the government get the technology. And, in our fear, we let them enshrine their spying into law, in the name of "security".. And no administration or Congress, be they Democratic or Republican, is going to give that power up.

We gave up liberty in the name of security, and have lost a chunk of both for good.
 
2014-07-03 12:39:58 AM  
Is there a link to the actual report, or did they just leak a 'draft' to reporters on condition they publish only summaries?  It looks as if the answer is the report will be out soon, but they leaked it first to favored media outlets.  Ugh.  Some not so favored outlets seem to have read it pretty well already.

What else they are doing over at DOJ is cherry-picking a couple of cases against home-grown "terrorists" -- the kind with scary names and easily led -- and telling the defense that this kind of data, Section 702 data, was involved.  Test cases with defendants for whom few will feel much sympathy.  If that works, they may try it with some child pornographers or a white supremacist gang next.
 
2014-07-03 12:44:53 AM  

The Homer Tax: Surool: I'm sure the Patriot Act did make this all legal. What's the problem?

This is why I don't get the outrage over all of this. This has all been legal for a decade and a half. That's why they're not finding any "wrongdoing."

I tried to tell the idiots who were all for that idiotic legislation "would you be happy giving president Hillary Clinton this power?" And was told that I was either with us or against us...

Now watch my suprised face as republicans get all huffy when a democrat president uses the powers granted to him by their Farking law. Now I just quit, you don't get to be all against this now that there is a black democrat in office, you supported it for 10 years when it was your man.

You made the bed, Farking lie in it cock-gobblers.


And if a democrat didn't use it then every minor act of terror would be held up as proof that we will all die without the full-time warmongering chickenhawks to protect us.

So yes, in Obama's shoes I would probably let the intelligence agencies do damn near whatever they felt like.

Situation still sucks though.
 
2014-07-03 12:45:54 AM  

RedVentrue: The Homer Tax: Surool: I'm sure the Patriot Act did make this all legal. What's the problem?

This is why I don't get the outrage over all of this. This has all been legal for a decade and a half. That's why they're not finding any "wrongdoing."

I tried to tell the idiots who were all for that idiotic legislation "would you be happy giving president Hillary Clinton this power?" And was told that I was either with us or against us...

Now watch my suprised face as republicans get all huffy when a democrat president uses the powers granted to him by their Farking law. Now I just quit, you don't get to be all against this now that there is a black democrat in office, you supported it for 10 years when it was your man.

You made the bed, Farking lie in it cock-gobblers.

They divided and conquered us while the public's been asleep.

Partisans are responsible. All of them


Bsrb!
 
2014-07-03 12:47:06 AM  
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.  But, but, but, Obama not Bush/Clinton/Bush/Reagan/Carter/Ford/Nixon/Johnson notwithstanding.
 
2014-07-03 12:54:29 AM  

LordJiro: We let the government get the technology. And, in our fear, we let them enshrine their spying into law, in the name of "security".. And no administration or Congress, be they Democratic or Republican, is going to give that power up.

We gave up liberty in the name of security, and have lost a chunk of both for good.


Yep.

I guess it's good that the GOP is finally wising up to it. Sad it took them nearly a decade to realize it though.
 
2014-07-03 12:57:29 AM  

Smackledorfer: The Homer Tax: Surool: I'm sure the Patriot Act did make this all legal. What's the problem?

This is why I don't get the outrage over all of this. This has all been legal for a decade and a half. That's why they're not finding any "wrongdoing."

I tried to tell the idiots who were all for that idiotic legislation "would you be happy giving president Hillary Clinton this power?" And was told that I was either with us or against us...

Now watch my suprised face as republicans get all huffy when a democrat president uses the powers granted to him by their Farking law. Now I just quit, you don't get to be all against this now that there is a black democrat in office, you supported it for 10 years when it was your man.

You made the bed, Farking lie in it cock-gobblers.

And if a democrat didn't use it then every minor act of terror would be held up as proof that we will all die without the full-time warmongering chickenhawks to protect us.

So yes, in Obama's shoes I would probably let the intelligence agencies do damn near whatever they felt like.

Situation still sucks though.


I have nothing to add, but if you guys come out with a newsletter you can sign me up for it.
 
2014-07-03 01:42:57 AM  
i1134.photobucket.com
 
2014-07-03 01:56:29 AM  

Mrtraveler01: LordJiro: We let the government get the technology. And, in our fear, we let them enshrine their spying into law, in the name of "security".. And no administration or Congress, be they Democratic or Republican, is going to give that power up.

We gave up liberty in the name of security, and have lost a chunk of both for good.

Yep.

I guess it's good that the GOP is finally wising up to it. Sad it took them nearly a decade to realize it though.


They'll come to their senses the second the gop steals another potus vote. With us or with the terrists, biatches.
 
2014-07-03 02:20:15 AM  
The report offers a set of policy proposals "designed to push the program more comfortably into the sphere of reasonableness."

Well, that sounds reasonable. I for one am comforted by this news.

 That said, the board noted that the rules "potentially allow a great deal of private information about U.S. persons to be acquired by the government."

Ya don't say? This has always been my problem with the program. So ripe for abuse. So little oversight.
 
2014-07-03 03:43:11 AM  

Mrtraveler01: LordJiro: We let the government get the technology. And, in our fear, we let them enshrine their spying into law, in the name of "security".. And no administration or Congress, be they Democratic or Republican, is going to give that power up.

We gave up liberty in the name of security, and have lost a chunk of both for good.

Yep.

I guess it's good that the GOP is finally wising up to it. Sad it took them nearly a decade to realize it though.


Don't kid yourself. They're not "wising up", they're just using it as another attack on Obama.  And even then, you'll note that they're much quieter on it than they are about, say, the IRS non-scandal, or the Benghazi non-scandal.

But really, this is one instance where party truly doesn't matter. No politician, Democrat, Republican or third-party would give up this kind of power. Especially since, in all likelihood, getting rid of it would require either a veto-proof majority in Congress consisting of like-minded folks *or* complete majority control of Congress and the Presidency. There simply aren't that many politicians who'd cut the government's power so drastically.

I suppose, in theory, the SCOTUS is another possibility. But yeah, I'm not holding my breath.
 
2014-07-03 06:12:26 AM  
triangledesi.com
 
2014-07-03 06:37:06 AM  
We're going to need a lot more rope. A lot more.
 
2014-07-03 06:55:36 AM  

The Homer Tax: You made the bed, Farking lie in it cock-gobblers.


So how long do the rest of us need to "lie in it" before the "cock-gobblers" are adequately punished?
 
2014-07-03 06:56:36 AM  
I don't know about the rest of you, but next time I get a chance I'm voting for this Obama guy for President because he promises to put an end to this business.

'For one thing, under an Obama presidency, Americans will be able to leave behind the era of George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and "wiretaps without warrants," [Obama] said. (He was referring to the lingering legal fallout over reports that the National Security Agency scooped up Americans' phone and Internet activities without court orders, ostensibly to monitor terrorist plots, in the years after the September 11 attacks.)'


http://www.cnet.com/au/news/obama-no-warrantless-wiretaps-if-you-ele ct -me/
 
2014-07-03 07:04:34 AM  
www.rednecksrevenge.org www.bestoftheblogs.com
 
2014-07-03 08:02:24 AM  

Mrtraveler01: LordJiro: We let the government get the technology. And, in our fear, we let them enshrine their spying into law, in the name of "security".. And no administration or Congress, be they Democratic or Republican, is going to give that power up.

We gave up liberty in the name of security, and have lost a chunk of both for good.

Yep.

I guess it's good that the GOP is finally wising up to it. Sad it took them nearly a decade to realize it though.


What makes you think that the GOP is wising up to anything? You know that they will be all for this shiat again the minute a Republican president is inaugurated.
 
2014-07-03 08:24:03 AM  
Overly intrusive government?  Moar government.

248shooter.com
 
2014-07-03 08:31:23 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: Overly intrusive government?  Moar government.


What color is the sky in the alternate reality you seem to inhabit? Do the rich live in zeppelins there?
 
2014-07-03 08:42:54 AM  
We could save a lot of time and money on these reports by just writing, "It's fine." on a sticky note and calling it a day.
 
2014-07-03 08:51:01 AM  
www.auplod.com

/never used this generator before so who knows how long it'll last
 
2014-07-03 09:19:55 AM  
Did you know that local police departments have been listening in on your calls for decades? Why is there so little outrage about this scandal?

Sure they have to get a warrant first but they'll get it in a secret hearing from a (probably) unelected judge where you don't get the chance to defend yourself. And regardless of the process, they have the capability which means there's the potential for abuse. And when you think about it, the potential for abuse is in many ways worse than any actual abuse because you can imagine a lot of a horrific scenarios for how it could potentially be used.

Either way, it's a gross violation of our privacy and personal information that the liberal lamestream corporate media or our fake empty suit President refuse to talk about.
 
2014-07-03 09:29:52 AM  

DrPainMD: We're going to need a lot more rope. A lot more.


Read that as "We're going to need a lot more rApe" at first.

/rape
 
2014-07-03 09:44:05 AM  

GoldSpider: The Homer Tax: You made the bed, Farking lie in it cock-gobblers.

So how long do the rest of us need to "lie in it" before the "cock-gobblers" are adequately punished?


If republicans really cared about this, they could pass a bill in the house to rescind all of these powers figuratively tomorrow. It would probably pass the senate too, there enough popular support to get the necessary handful of Dem senators to flip.

But they don't, why not?

Because they're not actually against the executive having these powers. They're against a democrat having these powers. They think they'll have these powers in 2 years. This is just more warrgbhl, full if sound and fury, signifying nothing.

That's always been my response: oh really Republcians? You're outraged? Then fix it! Oh, you're going to vote for the 80th time to repeal Obamacare instead? Then go fark yourself.
 
2014-07-03 09:58:17 AM  

The Homer Tax: If republicans really cared about this, they could pass a bill in the house to rescind all of these powers figuratively tomorrow.


Even if the republicans got their shiat together enough to do that, what do you suppose would happen to such a bill once it reached the President's office?

A lot of wrongs could have been corrected when Obama took office and democrats held both houses.  Let's stop pretending that either side is willing to abdicate any power given to them.
 
2014-07-03 10:48:07 AM  

GoldSpider: The Homer Tax: If republicans really cared about this, they could pass a bill in the house to rescind all of these powers figuratively tomorrow.

Even if the republicans got their shiat together enough to do that, what do you suppose would happen to such a bill once it reached the President's office?

A lot of wrongs could have been corrected when Obama took office and democrats held both houses.  Let's stop pretending that either side is willing to abdicate any power given to them.


I'm not pretending that either side is willing to abdicate this power. Im flat out stating that the people who granted this power to the executive now have no place to biatch about it, and are in fact lying that they even care at all because they have the power to do anything and won't.
 
2014-07-03 11:46:28 AM  

The Homer Tax: Im flat out stating that the people who granted this power to the executive now have no place to biatch about it, and are in fact lying that they even care at all because they have the power to do anything and won't.


I don't suppose we can agree that the people who biatched about it when Bush was in office, and either outright support it now or are conspicuously silent, are equally disingenuous?
 
2014-07-03 11:51:28 AM  
Obama promised transparency. Your life is now completely transparent. What are you complaining about?
 
2014-07-03 11:53:42 AM  

GoldSpider: The Homer Tax: Im flat out stating that the people who granted this power to the executive now have no place to biatch about it, and are in fact lying that they even care at all because they have the power to do anything and won't.

I don't suppose we can agree that the people who biatched about it when Bush was in office, and either outright support it now or are conspicuously silent, are equally disingenuous?


We can agree on that. A hypocrite is a hypocrite.

That said, there's degrees of everything, and I'm going to blame the people who created this mess in the first place and are now only pretending to care more than the people who tried to object and now don't care or only support it out of spite.

If also argue that there's proportionally a hell of a lot more liberals who still oppose this bullshiat than there are conservatives who still think it's fine and dandy.
 
2014-07-03 11:59:15 AM  

The Homer Tax: We can agree on that. A hypocrite is a hypocrite.

That said, there's degrees of everything, and I'm going to blame the people who created this mess in the first place and are now only pretending to care more than the people who tried to object and now don't care or only support it out of spite.

If also argue that there's proportionally a hell of a lot more liberals who still oppose this bullshiat than there are conservatives who still think it's fine and dandy.


Agreed on all points.
 
2014-07-03 12:21:49 PM  
Less than 50 responses is what I would expect from Obamas meat shields.

The two of you who hold his feet to the fire arent that bad after all.
 
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