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(The New Yorker)   America may not be on the soccer...sorry, "football" bandwagon yet, but yesterday's match proved that we're damn near close to getting on it   (newyorker.com ) divider line
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2014-07-02 11:17:02 AM  
Meh. If I was interested in watching a bunch of drama queens play "football" I'd be a Cowboys fan ...
 
2014-07-02 12:41:17 PM  
I'm finding it amusing that all the praise being heaped on Tim Howard is some kind of positive thing for the state of the American national team. Belgium took 39 shots on goal, for crying out loud.
 
2014-07-02 12:42:17 PM  
The USA is out. My interest has dipped 90 percent. We can revisit this in four more years.


30 minutes since the last post = uninterested.
 
2014-07-02 12:42:18 PM  

Mateorocks: I'm finding it amusing that all the praise being heaped on Tim Howard is some kind of positive thing for the state of the American national team. Belgium took 39 shots on goal, for crying out loud.


Well, 39 shots. Not 39 shots on goal.
 
2014-07-02 12:42:25 PM  
Who was it that compared it to Twilight?

Two groups of guys chase each other around for 2 hours, nobody scores, and at the end everybody tells me I just don't get it.
 
2014-07-02 12:46:08 PM  
STOP LIKING THINGS I DON'T LIKE
 
2014-07-02 12:47:54 PM  
The USA managed to win one time in four games and wound up being eliminated by a country smaller than Maryland.

Yes, I'm sure that inspiring performance will get all Americans on the soccer bandwagon.
 
2014-07-02 12:48:15 PM  
It's confounding how few people understand that Americans just love cheering for Americans. The bigger the stage, the crazier we get.
 
2014-07-02 12:48:25 PM  

Shame Us: Mateorocks: I'm finding it amusing that all the praise being heaped on Tim Howard is some kind of positive thing for the state of the American national team. Belgium took 39 shots on goal, for crying out loud.

Well, 39 shots. Not 39 shots on goal.


My bad, that's what I meant. Not saying the US side wasn't all over the place defensively (as usual) but I don't see anything positive in the performance except that they somehow prevented Belgium from winning 8-0.
 
2014-07-02 12:51:21 PM  
If Obama had been there instead of sending a tweet of encouragement, then they probably would've won.
 
2014-07-02 12:54:11 PM  

Mateorocks: I'm finding it amusing that all the praise being heaped on Tim Howard is some kind of positive thing for the state of the American national team. Belgium took 39 shots on goal, for crying out loud.


Yeah, the fact Howard routinely bailed us out for most of the game isn't exactly a high point for the team.

We have virtually no offensive threats behind Dempsey and whomever else we throw out there at forward. Zusi is a decent set-piece taker, but outside of that, him and Bedoya are basically "generic midfielders" with average pace and, well, everything. Bradley is best as a holding mid, not as a box-to-box Yaya Toure clone that he tried to play (because he was asked to) and it showed with his defensive lapses after tracking back from bombing forward. Dempsey needs someone to play off of, he's not a true striker at all. Losing Altidore sucked, but we just don't have the playmakers currently to do anything else besides defend and hope, and considering those limitations, we did pretty well and certainly didn't embarrass ourselves.
 
2014-07-02 12:54:19 PM  

Doktor_Zhivago: STOP LIKING THINGS I DON'T LIKE


I actually love the World Cup.

I have no idea why.....
 
2014-07-02 12:55:30 PM  

Doc Daneeka: The USA managed to win one time in four games and wound up being eliminated by a country smaller than Maryland.

Yes, I'm sure that inspiring performance will get all Americans on the soccer bandwagon.


Considering numerous prognosticators were saying they'd go 0-3 without scoring a single goal prior to the start, yeah, it was a good performance.

Or are you saying it would've been more successful had we won more games by being drawn into an easier group?
 
2014-07-02 12:56:49 PM  
Is this the thread where people who hate soccer yap about how butthurt they get when the sport is getting attention from Americans?
 
2014-07-02 12:57:29 PM  
I'm kind of glad that the US is out. Now I can watch World Cup games and not feel physically ill. After I let out a yell during the last goal of the Ghana match, my wife told me that was the first time she has ever heard me yell, and we have been together for 9 years. And I'm still going to wear my US soccer jacket proudly.
 
2014-07-02 12:58:56 PM  

dartben: Doc Daneeka: The USA managed to win one time in four games and wound up being eliminated by a country smaller than Maryland.

Yes, I'm sure that inspiring performance will get all Americans on the soccer bandwagon.

Considering numerous prognosticators were saying they'd go 0-3 without scoring a single goal prior to the start, yeah, it was a good performance.

Or are you saying it would've been more successful had we won more games by being drawn into an easier group?


No, apparently Americans do not like to be the Karate Kid, we want to be Kobra Kai. For reasons. I see this a lot in the south, if we do not completely dominate at something, we should not be doing it. I am sure this says a lot about southern culture.
 
2014-07-02 01:00:39 PM  
The 'unlikely' tag is pounding on the door.
 
2014-07-02 01:00:43 PM  

nogalltogether: my wife told me that was the first time she has ever heard me yell, and we have been together for 9 years.


beard much, beardmitter?
 
2014-07-02 01:00:47 PM  

thecpt: It's confounding how few people understand that Americans just love cheering for Americans. The bigger the stage, the crazier we get.


He shoots ... HE SCORES!!!!!
 
2014-07-02 01:01:28 PM  
This World Cup so far has been farking great.

/that is all
 
2014-07-02 01:01:42 PM  
Personally, I thought the US looked the worst of the underdog teams in the round of 16. It could easily have been 3-0 or worse if Belgium had better finishing. I am glad the team never gave up, but that performance and the one against Germany haven't left me feeling any more confident that we are closing the gap with the top nations.
 
2014-07-02 01:01:43 PM  

jrodr018: dartben: Doc Daneeka: The USA managed to win one time in four games and wound up being eliminated by a country smaller than Maryland.

Yes, I'm sure that inspiring performance will get all Americans on the soccer bandwagon.

Considering numerous prognosticators were saying they'd go 0-3 without scoring a single goal prior to the start, yeah, it was a good performance.

Or are you saying it would've been more successful had we won more games by being drawn into an easier group?

No, apparently Americans do not like to be the Karate Kid, we want to be Kobra Kai. For reasons. I see this a lot in the south, if we do not completely dominate at something, we should not be doing it. I am sure this says a lot about southern culture.


That's why CFB's so popular v. the NFL in the south:  Southerners are a bunch of front-runners.
 
2014-07-02 01:02:47 PM  

dartben: Doc Daneeka: The USA managed to win one time in four games and wound up being eliminated by a country smaller than Maryland.

Yes, I'm sure that inspiring performance will get all Americans on the soccer bandwagon.

Considering numerous prognosticators were saying they'd go 0-3 without scoring a single goal prior to the start, yeah, it was a good performance.

Or are you saying it would've been more successful had we won more games by being drawn into an easier group?


I'm saying it doesn't say anything about soccer or its prospects for popularity in America.

America mainly likes cheering for the USA, and America especially likes cheering for winners wearing USA uniforms.  Regardless of what sport or event it is.

Flaming out early in a tournament in which you have only managed to win one game (regardless of whether that is a better or worse performance than expected) is not the kind of performance the average American is going to find very inspiring.

The vast majority of people who watched the World Cup are not going to give soccer another thought until four years from now when they will have another chance to root for Team USA.  It's the exact same as the Olympics.
 
2014-07-02 01:04:16 PM  

SigmaAlgebra: Personally, I thought the US looked the worst of the underdog teams in the round of 16. It could easily have been 3-0 or worse if Belgium had better finishing. I am glad the team never gave up, but that performance and the one against Germany haven't left me feeling any more confident that we are closing the gap with the top nations.


Yeah, Klinsmann opted for the "safe, defensive" lineup after the Altidore injury and our lack of creativity and...oomph... because of it was obvious. It's a wonder we could even dominate possession for large segments of the Portugal game...which is probably a testament to how awful Portugal was.
 
2014-07-02 01:04:19 PM  

Free Radical: This World Cup so far has been farking great.

/that is all


This.
 
2014-07-02 01:06:03 PM  

SigmaAlgebra: Personally, I thought the US looked the worst of the underdog teams in the round of 16. It could easily have been 3-0 or worse if Belgium had better finishing. I am glad the team never gave up, but that performance and the one against Germany haven't left me feeling any more confident that we are closing the gap with the top nations.


Well Greece/Costa Rica was slop, but beyond that, you're right.

There are also some teams who didn't go through that the US would struggle against.

Realistically, they're like the 14-18th best team in the world
 
2014-07-02 01:06:38 PM  

Killer Cars: which is probably a testament to how awful depleted by injury and suspension Portugal was.


That
 
2014-07-02 01:07:01 PM  

Shame Us: Mateorocks: I'm finding it amusing that all the praise being heaped on Tim Howard is some kind of positive thing for the state of the American national team. Belgium took 39 shots on goal, for crying out loud.

Well, 39 shots. Not 39 shots on goal.



yeah Tim made arguably too many saves for an elimination game.  so what?  we were still in it.  as noted elsewhere, 1-2 months ago it was, "LOL, group of death, soccer is gay, we'll be lucky to score 2 points in group".  we exceeded expectations and were pretty damn entertaining.  Klinsmann has been vindicated, America clearly signalled a shift from the old guard (ahem, Donovan) to new blood.  I'm disappointed at yesterday's result but excited for the future.

and for those bent on trying to shiat in our ice cream, we don't farking care.  people talk about how stupid soccer was, how lame we were yesterday, "thank god we can go back to 4 more years of not caring", and so on, and it means nothing.  You will never not make us care about the world's greatest game.  You're probably the guy with the entire Simpsons / Lord of the Rings / Firefly series on Blu-Ray telling *us* how lame we are.  glass houses, now, glass houses.
 
2014-07-02 01:08:40 PM  

Doc Daneeka: dartben: Doc Daneeka: The USA managed to win one time in four games and wound up being eliminated by a country smaller than Maryland.

Yes, I'm sure that inspiring performance will get all Americans on the soccer bandwagon.

Considering numerous prognosticators were saying they'd go 0-3 without scoring a single goal prior to the start, yeah, it was a good performance.

Or are you saying it would've been more successful had we won more games by being drawn into an easier group?

I'm saying it doesn't say anything about soccer or its prospects for popularity in America.

America mainly likes cheering for the USA, and America especially likes cheering for winners wearing USA uniforms.  Regardless of what sport or event it is.

Flaming out early in a tournament in which you have only managed to win one game (regardless of whether that is a better or worse performance than expected) is not the kind of performance the average American is going to find very inspiring.

The vast majority of people who watched the World Cup are not going to give soccer another thought until four years from now when they will have another chance to root for Team USA.  It's the exact same as the Olympics.


See? We only like it when we win. Reminds me of that little kid in our neighborhood who would take his ball home if he lost.

Merikah, Hells Yeah!!!

(No spirit of improvement or can-do anymore. No wonder the country is going to the shiatter)
 
2014-07-02 01:09:30 PM  

jrodr018: dartben: Doc Daneeka: The USA managed to win one time in four games and wound up being eliminated by a country smaller than Maryland.

Yes, I'm sure that inspiring performance will get all Americans on the soccer bandwagon.

Considering numerous prognosticators were saying they'd go 0-3 without scoring a single goal prior to the start, yeah, it was a good performance.

Or are you saying it would've been more successful had we won more games by being drawn into an easier group?

No, apparently Americans do not like to be the Karate Kid, we want to be Kobra Kai. For reasons. I see this a lot in the south, if we do not completely dominate at something, we should not be doing it. I am sure this says a lot about southern culture.


The Karate Kid won the tournament (and the girl) in the end, didn't he?

Proves my point.  Americans love underdog stories, but they mainly love underdogs who win.  Karate Kid, Rudy, Mighty Ducks, Rocky, Hoosiers - all underdogs who won.

Underdogs who are expected to do poorly, and then match expectations by more or less doing poorly, aren't really underdog stories.  Those are just losers.  Wouldn't make such a good movie.
 
2014-07-02 01:10:49 PM  
In a knock-out match, I would think these teams who beat the US 7+ of 10 times:

Brazil, Mexico, Netherlands, Spain, Chile, Colombia, Uruguay, Italy, England, France, Argentina, Germany, Belgium

Then there's a huge group of teams that the US are more or less even with in a 1 game knock-out.
 
2014-07-02 01:11:54 PM  

Doc Daneeka: jrodr018: dartben: Doc Daneeka: The USA managed to win one time in four games and wound up being eliminated by a country smaller than Maryland.

Yes, I'm sure that inspiring performance will get all Americans on the soccer bandwagon.

Considering numerous prognosticators were saying they'd go 0-3 without scoring a single goal prior to the start, yeah, it was a good performance.

Or are you saying it would've been more successful had we won more games by being drawn into an easier group?

No, apparently Americans do not like to be the Karate Kid, we want to be Kobra Kai. For reasons. I see this a lot in the south, if we do not completely dominate at something, we should not be doing it. I am sure this says a lot about southern culture.

The Karate Kid won the tournament (and the girl) in the end, didn't he?

Proves my point.  Americans love underdog stories, but they mainly love underdogs who win.  Karate Kid, Rudy, Mighty Ducks, Rocky, Hoosiers - all underdogs who won.

Underdogs who are expected to do poorly, and then match expectations by more or less doing poorly, aren't really underdog stories.  Those are just losers.  Wouldn't make such a good movie.


Yeah, did he win every fight? Do you even get the analogy?

Duh, of course he would eventually win, but people who loved him did not give up on him the first times he got his ass kicked, which is what you are saying we should do.
 
2014-07-02 01:11:59 PM  

Doc Daneeka: dartben: Doc Daneeka: The USA managed to win one time in four games and wound up being eliminated by a country smaller than Maryland.

Yes, I'm sure that inspiring performance will get all Americans on the soccer bandwagon.

Considering numerous prognosticators were saying they'd go 0-3 without scoring a single goal prior to the start, yeah, it was a good performance.

Or are you saying it would've been more successful had we won more games by being drawn into an easier group?

I'm saying it doesn't say anything about soccer or its prospects for popularity in America.

America mainly likes cheering for the USA, and America especially likes cheering for winners wearing USA uniforms.  Regardless of what sport or event it is.

Flaming out early in a tournament in which you have only managed to win one game (regardless of whether that is a better or worse performance than expected) is not the kind of performance the average American is going to find very inspiring.

The vast majority of people who watched the World Cup are not going to give soccer another thought until four years from now when they will have another chance to root for Team USA.  It's the exact same as the Olympics.


The sport is growing slowly, and has been since the 1994 World Cup. And that's for the best of You're a soccer fan in the US. NASL showed us what happens when you try to force it. ESPN is on the bandwagon, NBC is on the bandwagon, Fox is on the bandwagon, huge sponsors are on the bandwagon, MLS is getting better and better and is more popular than ever. Is this World Cup team going to suddenly turn soccer into a NFL-level sport in american entertainment culture? No, but it is a huge catalyst in expanding the audience steadily.
 
2014-07-02 01:12:06 PM  

Doc Daneeka: The vast majority of people

Americans who watched the World Cup are not going to give soccer another thought until four years from now when they will have another chance to root for Team USA.  It's the exact same as the Olympics.

It's not the exact same as the Olympics. The Olympics have figure skaters in tiny little costumes and this:
img.fark.net
Honestly I don't know why anybody watches anything else. There was also some running and jumping.
 
2014-07-02 01:12:38 PM  

Doc Daneeka: jrodr018: dartben: Doc Daneeka: The USA managed to win one time in four games and wound up being eliminated by a country smaller than Maryland.

Yes, I'm sure that inspiring performance will get all Americans on the soccer bandwagon.

Considering numerous prognosticators were saying they'd go 0-3 without scoring a single goal prior to the start, yeah, it was a good performance.

Or are you saying it would've been more successful had we won more games by being drawn into an easier group?

No, apparently Americans do not like to be the Karate Kid, we want to be Kobra Kai. For reasons. I see this a lot in the south, if we do not completely dominate at something, we should not be doing it. I am sure this says a lot about southern culture.

The Karate Kid won the tournament (and the girl) in the end, didn't he?

Proves my point.  Americans love underdog stories, but they mainly love underdogs who win.  Karate Kid, Rudy, Mighty Ducks, Rocky, Hoosiers - all underdogs who won.

Underdogs who are expected to do poorly, and then match expectations by more or less doing poorly, aren't really underdog stories.  Those are just losers.  Wouldn't make such a good movie.


Rocky lost in the original...
 
2014-07-02 01:14:05 PM  
The worst thing is the US are 3+ top-level players away from being able to compete at the top tier of teams.
 
2014-07-02 01:16:01 PM  
I wish the existing fans had higher expectations.
 
2014-07-02 01:16:31 PM  

dartben: Doc Daneeka: jrodr018: dartben: Doc Daneeka: The USA managed to win one time in four games and wound up being eliminated by a country smaller than Maryland.

Yes, I'm sure that inspiring performance will get all Americans on the soccer bandwagon.

Considering numerous prognosticators were saying they'd go 0-3 without scoring a single goal prior to the start, yeah, it was a good performance.

Or are you saying it would've been more successful had we won more games by being drawn into an easier group?

No, apparently Americans do not like to be the Karate Kid, we want to be Kobra Kai. For reasons. I see this a lot in the south, if we do not completely dominate at something, we should not be doing it. I am sure this says a lot about southern culture.

The Karate Kid won the tournament (and the girl) in the end, didn't he?

Proves my point.  Americans love underdog stories, but they mainly love underdogs who win.  Karate Kid, Rudy, Mighty Ducks, Rocky, Hoosiers - all underdogs who won.

Underdogs who are expected to do poorly, and then match expectations by more or less doing poorly, aren't really underdog stories.  Those are just losers.  Wouldn't make such a good movie.

Rocky lost in the original...


No, you got it wrong. See, we should never root for him because he did not win all the time, I mean he even lost his "one" chance at greatness.

Holy cow, we have become a nation of frontrunners.
 
2014-07-02 01:16:56 PM  

jrodr018: Doc Daneeka: jrodr018: dartben: Doc Daneeka: The USA managed to win one time in four games and wound up being eliminated by a country smaller than Maryland.

Yes, I'm sure that inspiring performance will get all Americans on the soccer bandwagon.

Considering numerous prognosticators were saying they'd go 0-3 without scoring a single goal prior to the start, yeah, it was a good performance.

Or are you saying it would've been more successful had we won more games by being drawn into an easier group?

No, apparently Americans do not like to be the Karate Kid, we want to be Kobra Kai. For reasons. I see this a lot in the south, if we do not completely dominate at something, we should not be doing it. I am sure this says a lot about southern culture.

The Karate Kid won the tournament (and the girl) in the end, didn't he?

Proves my point.  Americans love underdog stories, but they mainly love underdogs who win.  Karate Kid, Rudy, Mighty Ducks, Rocky, Hoosiers - all underdogs who won.

Underdogs who are expected to do poorly, and then match expectations by more or less doing poorly, aren't really underdog stories.  Those are just losers.  Wouldn't make such a good movie.

Yeah, did he win every fight? Do you even get the analogy?

Duh, of course he would eventually win, but people who loved him did not give up on him the first times he got his ass kicked, which is what you are saying we should do.


In the tournament?  Yeah, he did win every time.  Did you even watch the movie you are trying to make an analogy to?

In this comparison, America wouldn't be either Daniel LaRusso or Kobra Kai.  It would be just one of the scores of no-name extras who got eliminated early in the tournament during the montage sequence.
 
2014-07-02 01:16:58 PM  

MugzyBrown: The worst thing is the US are 3+ top-level players away from being able to compete at the top tier of teams.


The best thing is that those players are in the pipeline. The talent coming behind this team should be able to compete at that level. We saw a flash of it in this tournament with Brooks, Yedlin, Green, etc. Aron Johansson is part of that group as well. If Klinsmann can turn a couple more dual national guys (something he has shown he is really good at) to the US, we will have a core group that can compete at the highest level.
 
2014-07-02 01:17:24 PM  

Free Radical: This World Cup so far has been farking great.


best in my lifetime.

Doc Daneeka: I'm saying it doesn't say anything about soccer or

its prospects for popularity in America.

that's the straw man that i farking hate.  soccer haters say, "it will never be as popular as ____, therefore it sucks!"  like it or not, soccer is amazingly popular in certain pockets of the country, and I think most of us recognize it probably will never "take off" or become the next big sport.  but it doesn't need to.  the pro leagues are still doing well, there's a lot of interest in the US for the EPL and La Liga, we're still going to find ways to follow the game.  people banging the drum about how it will never explode or "its prospects for popularity" being dim don't recognize that it is still extremely popular.

the whole "it will never be popular" is (a) wrong, and demonstrably wrong at that, and then (b), we don't care.  we don't need it to supplant NASCAR or NHL to love it.  we're fine where it is.

pbs.twimg.com

an estimated (at least I think i read this today) 39,000 in Soldier Field for yesterday's game. and there were viewing parties all over the US.  to paraphrase the grateful dead's "Shakedown Street", "don't tell me this town game ain't got no heart / you just gotta poke around".
 
2014-07-02 01:17:47 PM  

MugzyBrown: In a knock-out match, I would think these teams who beat the US 7+ of 10 times:

Brazil, Mexico, Netherlands, Spain, Chile, Colombia, Uruguay, Italy, England, France, Argentina, Germany, Belgium

Then there's a huge group of teams that the US are more or less even with in a 1 game knock-out.


The team that we routinely control?
 
2014-07-02 01:21:07 PM  

ScouserDuck: MugzyBrown: In a knock-out match, I would think these teams who beat the US 7+ of 10 times:

Brazil, Mexico, Netherlands, Spain, Chile, Colombia, Uruguay, Italy, England, France, Argentina, Germany, Belgium

Then there's a huge group of teams that the US are more or less even with in a 1 game knock-out.

The team that we routinely control?


Yeah it appears that the tables have turned in that matchup. I'd also take a hard look at England and Chile out of that group.

FFS, Mexico wouldn't have even been in the World Cup were it not for us. There's a reason there are mexican jerseys with Zusi on the back.
 
2014-07-02 01:21:23 PM  

Doc Daneeka: jrodr018: Doc Daneeka: jrodr018: dartben: Doc Daneeka: The USA managed to win one time in four games and wound up being eliminated by a country smaller than Maryland.

Yes, I'm sure that inspiring performance will get all Americans on the soccer bandwagon.

Considering numerous prognosticators were saying they'd go 0-3 without scoring a single goal prior to the start, yeah, it was a good performance.

Or are you saying it would've been more successful had we won more games by being drawn into an easier group?

No, apparently Americans do not like to be the Karate Kid, we want to be Kobra Kai. For reasons. I see this a lot in the south, if we do not completely dominate at something, we should not be doing it. I am sure this says a lot about southern culture.

The Karate Kid won the tournament (and the girl) in the end, didn't he?

Proves my point.  Americans love underdog stories, but they mainly love underdogs who win.  Karate Kid, Rudy, Mighty Ducks, Rocky, Hoosiers - all underdogs who won.

Underdogs who are expected to do poorly, and then match expectations by more or less doing poorly, aren't really underdog stories.  Those are just losers.  Wouldn't make such a good movie.

Yeah, did he win every fight? Do you even get the analogy?

Duh, of course he would eventually win, but people who loved him did not give up on him the first times he got his ass kicked, which is what you are saying we should do.

In the tournament?  Yeah, he did win every time.  Did you even watch the movie you are trying to make an analogy to?

In this comparison, America wouldn't be either Daniel LaRusso or Kobra Kai.  It would be just one of the scores of no-name extras who got eliminated early in the tournament during the montage sequence.


Oh, so I guess the ass-kicking he got out of the tournament shouldn't count now, should it? So he gets his ass kicked once (in or out of the tournament) means that he should never keep at it and improve himself? Defeatist attitude, man.

Okay, how about the Rocky comparison, does that suit you more? Don't be a frontrunner, dude. America was not founded on people who gave up when things got tough.
 
2014-07-02 01:22:17 PM  

ScouserDuck: I wish the existing fans had higher expectations.



of course *I* wanted more but i was also a realist.  I thought yesterday we should have subbed earlier and shifted the formation to tidy up midfield.  they eventually gave I think Zusi some help as brotherman was consistenly eating his lunch down the wing, but.....both goals were i think ineffective defending that was i;d say 60%formation and 40% fatigue, but we had one sub remaining from memory on the second.

too much being made of the shots on goal.  spotty defending.  it wasn't like Belgium was exposing us with dazzling technique and guile (on that not, the American set piece late?  Ohhhh!).  they found us out of position several times with shaky defending.
 
2014-07-02 01:23:18 PM  

Shame Us: The best thing is that those players are in the pipeline. The talent coming behind this team should be able to compete at that level. We saw a flash of it in this tournament with Brooks, Yedlin, Green, etc. Aron Johansson is part of that group as well. If Klinsmann can turn a couple more dual national guys (something he has shown he is really good at) to the US, we will have a core group that can compete at the highest level.


Ummm you forgot 'maybe'.  You have no idea if Brooks, Yedlin, Green or anybody else is going to develop into a star.  Past results say no.

ScouserDuck: The team that we routinely control?


The Mexican team in the World Cup would have stomped the US.  The US holds their own often in games played in the states, but Mexico has been in some disarray over the past couple of years. They wiped the US off of the field in a couple of Gold Cup finals recently. The Mexican team who were in qualifying are way different than the ones who played this month.
 
2014-07-02 01:23:52 PM  
This World Cup so far has been farking great.

/that is all

This.



The first round was good. The games since have reinforced everything bad about this fundamentally flawed sport
 
2014-07-02 01:24:44 PM  

rickythepenguin: Soldier Field for yesterday's game. and there were viewing parties all over the US.  to paraphrase the grateful dead's "Shakedown Street", "don't tell me this town game ain't got no heart / you just gotta poke around".


whoa.

irony just noted that the last show ever by the old boys was in Soldier Field, 7/9/95, and i belieeeeeeeeeeeeeeve they played "Shakedown Street" to open.
 
2014-07-02 01:25:43 PM  

rickythepenguin: ScouserDuck: I wish the existing fans had higher expectations.


of course *I* wanted more but i was also a realist.  I thought yesterday we should have subbed earlier and shifted the formation to tidy up midfield.  they eventually gave I think Zusi some help as brotherman was consistenly eating his lunch down the wing, but.....both goals were i think ineffective defending that was i;d say 60%formation and 40% fatigue, but we had one sub remaining from memory on the second.

too much being made of the shots on goal.  spotty defending.  it wasn't like Belgium was exposing us with dazzling technique and guile (on that not, the American set piece late?  Ohhhh!).  they found us out of position several times with shaky defending.


The sub situation was ruined by the injury to Johnson. Zusi was brutal yesterday. Fairly obviously the worst player on the field. Just ineffective from the first minute. When you can bring on Lukaku in ET against a backline that has been defending for 90 minutes, that's huge. A fresh Lukaku in ET vs. just about any backline is a coup.
 
2014-07-02 01:25:52 PM  

rickythepenguin: belieeeeeeeeeeeeeeve they played "Shakedown Street" to open.



second set opener.
 
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