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(Den of Geek (US))   Heirs of Superman creators still trying to make their lawyer rich   (denofgeek.us ) divider line
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2014-07-02 06:38:36 PM  
"Faster than a speeding bullet! More powerful than a locomotive! Able to leap tall buildings in a single bound! Look! Up in the sky! It's a bird! It's a plane! It's Warner Brothers!"
 
2014-07-02 08:17:19 PM  
I'm so sick of this shiat.

Siegel and Shuster created Superman as work-for-hire, and DC Comics (then National Allied Publications) still gave them both exceptionally good pay and benefits for that era. They officially sold off all remaining rights during their lifetimes-- LONG before any of these heirs were even conceived. Both guys had fabulous payoffs and salaries and their families lived very comfortable lives as a result of it.

Now, years later, long after both creators are dead, the children and grandchildren are looking to cash in on something they had NOTHING TO DO WITH. They didn't create anything. They won a genetic lottery and believe that there's some moral and ethical reason why they should get large sums of money for essentially doing NOTHING but being born within the families of the guys who sold the rights to a character they created.

It's ridiculous. I don't normally root for Warner Bros. because they're a vile corporation run by frequently-stupid dickheads, but in this case I hope they win and win definitively. I hope they drive the heirs' claims so deep into the dirt that they can shake hands with Joe & Jerry's corpses. I hope they beat these jerks hard enough that  their  great-grandchildren feel it.

This whole idea that you deserve something for nothing because you were born into the right family is crap in the first place, but when you add to it the fact that Joe & Jerry sold off their rights, and then THEIR kids sold off all remaining rights when they were challenged again..? This is a nuisance lawsuit.

What's more, WB settled all this when they made Superman Returns and gave a LARGE chunk of the returns from it to the heirs as part of a "get out of our hair once and for all" arrangement.

So for once I say KICK THEIR ASS, WARNER BROS.! KICK IT HARD!
 
2014-07-02 08:19:58 PM  
Oh, and by the way, the heir to Shuster's estate is his farking NEPHEW. Why the fark should someone's farking nephew get jack-shiat? Fark that. Let him go out and make something himself.
 
2014-07-02 08:22:48 PM  
A July 9, 2009, verdict on the case denied a claim by Siegel's family that it was owed licensing fees. US District Court judge Stephen G. Larson said Warner Bros. and DC Comics have fulfilled their obligations to the Siegels under a profit-sharing agreement for the 2006 movie Superman Returns and the CW series Smallville. However, the court also ruled that if Warner Bros. did not start a new Superman film by 2011, the family would have the right to sue to recover damages. Warner Bros hired David S. Goyer to write the script and Christopher Nolan to produce in 2010.

On January 10, 2013, the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that a 2001 agreement that the Siegel family had reached with DC Comics was still legally binding, thus quashing the 2008 decision in favor of the Siegels. This effectively ensured DC Comics' sole copyright to Superman.



Like I said: Such bullshiat. This is all done. DC already established that they own the sole copyright.
 
2014-07-02 08:37:20 PM  
In before the corporate apologist -oh wait, no I'm not.
 
2014-07-02 08:43:36 PM  

Nix Nightbird: I'm so sick of this shiat.

Siegel and Shuster created Superman as work-for-hire, and DC Comics (then National Allied Publications) still gave them both exceptionally good pay and benefits for that era. They officially sold off all remaining rights during their lifetimes-- LONG before any of these heirs were even conceived. Both guys had fabulous payoffs and salaries and their families lived very comfortable lives as a result of it.

Now, years later, long after both creators are dead, the children and grandchildren are looking to cash in on something they had NOTHING TO DO WITH. They didn't create anything. They won a genetic lottery and believe that there's some moral and ethical reason why they should get large sums of money for essentially doing NOTHING but being born within the families of the guys who sold the rights to a character they created.

It's ridiculous. I don't normally root for Warner Bros. because they're a vile corporation run by frequently-stupid dickheads, but in this case I hope they win and win definitively. I hope they drive the heirs' claims so deep into the dirt that they can shake hands with Joe & Jerry's corpses. I hope they beat these jerks hard enough that  their  great-grandchildren feel it.

This whole idea that you deserve something for nothing because you were born into the right family is crap in the first place, but when you add to it the fact that Joe & Jerry sold off their rights, and then THEIR kids sold off all remaining rights when they were challenged again..? This is a nuisance lawsuit.

What's more, WB settled all this when they made Superman Returns and gave a LARGE chunk of the returns from it to the heirs as part of a "get out of our hair once and for all" arrangement.

So for once I say KICK THEIR ASS, WARNER BROS.! KICK IT HARD!


Thats alot of words to say "undecided".
 
2014-07-02 09:08:51 PM  
Public domain, the both of them can go sit and spin.
 
2014-07-02 09:24:49 PM  

Nix Nightbird: I'm so sick of this shiat.

Siegel and Shuster created Superman as work-for-hire, and DC Comics (then National Allied Publications) still gave them both exceptionally good pay and benefits for that era. They officially sold off all remaining rights during their lifetimes-- LONG before any of these heirs were even conceived. Both guys had fabulous payoffs and salaries and their families lived very comfortable lives as a result of it.

Now, years later, long after both creators are dead, the children and grandchildren are looking to cash in on something they had NOTHING TO DO WITH. They didn't create anything. They won a genetic lottery and believe that there's some moral and ethical reason why they should get large sums of money for essentially doing NOTHING but being born within the families of the guys who sold the rights to a character they created.

It's ridiculous. I don't normally root for Warner Bros. because they're a vile corporation run by frequently-stupid dickheads, but in this case I hope they win and win definitively. I hope they drive the heirs' claims so deep into the dirt that they can shake hands with Joe & Jerry's corpses. I hope they beat these jerks hard enough that  their  great-grandchildren feel it.

This whole idea that you deserve something for nothing because you were born into the right family is crap in the first place, but when you add to it the fact that Joe & Jerry sold off their rights, and then THEIR kids sold off all remaining rights when they were challenged again..? This is a nuisance lawsuit.

What's more, WB settled all this when they made Superman Returns and gave a LARGE chunk of the returns from it to the heirs as part of a "get out of our hair once and for all" arrangement.

So for once I say KICK THEIR ASS, WARNER BROS.! KICK IT HARD!


Actually, they sold the rights off twice... once in '38 during the initial deal, and once in '48 after losing the Superboy lawsuit. They may have even sold them a third time, I can't remember. But definitely twice.

Also, the heirs settled in 2001 for a certain percentage of money. But still... they needed more. Or, more precisely, their new Lawyer friend wanted more.
 
2014-07-03 01:47:04 AM  
Superman the character is public domain and should be public domain. the shuster brats can go fark themselves
 
2014-07-03 07:36:14 AM  

Nix Nightbird: A July 9, 2009, verdict on the case denied a claim by Siegel's family that it was owed licensing fees. US District Court judge Stephen G. Larson said Warner Bros. and DC Comics have fulfilled their obligations to the Siegels under a profit-sharing agreement for the 2006 movie Superman Returns and the CW series Smallville. However, the court also ruled that if Warner Bros. did not start a new Superman film by 2011, the family would have the right to sue to recover damages. Warner Bros hired David S. Goyer to write the script and Christopher Nolan to produce in 2010.

On January 10, 2013, the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that a 2001 agreement that the Siegel family had reached with DC Comics was still legally binding, thus quashing the 2008 decision in favor of the Siegels. This effectively ensured DC Comics' sole copyright to Superman.


Like I said: Such bullshiat. This is all done. DC already established that they own the sole copyright.


Not to mention that there are better ways to handle this sort of situation if you are the heirs. Quietly go through the proper channels and ask for some BS 'job' as a brand ambassador or something, show off family memorabilia at a few conventions, and WB would probably be happy to pay a decent salary for that. Sports teams do this kind of thing all the time.
 
2014-07-03 08:02:57 AM  

Cpl.D: Is he fast enough to escape being part of the public domain?


Mickey Mouse is.
 
2014-07-03 08:59:07 AM  

Cpl.D: Is he fast enough to escape being part of the public domain?


My understanding (IANAL) is that the early stories would go into public domain as the copyright expires, but the character would not as the Trademarks are still valid and held by WB/DC
 
2014-07-03 12:54:01 PM  

Orgasmatron138: Nix Nightbird: A July 9, 2009, verdict on the case denied a claim by Siegel's family that it was owed licensing fees. US District Court judge Stephen G. Larson said Warner Bros. and DC Comics have fulfilled their obligations to the Siegels under a profit-sharing agreement for the 2006 movie Superman Returns and the CW series Smallville. However, the court also ruled that if Warner Bros. did not start a new Superman film by 2011, the family would have the right to sue to recover damages. Warner Bros hired David S. Goyer to write the script and Christopher Nolan to produce in 2010.

On January 10, 2013, the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that a 2001 agreement that the Siegel family had reached with DC Comics was still legally binding, thus quashing the 2008 decision in favor of the Siegels. This effectively ensured DC Comics' sole copyright to Superman.


Like I said: Such bullshiat. This is all done. DC already established that they own the sole copyright.

Not to mention that there are better ways to handle this sort of situation if you are the heirs. Quietly go through the proper channels and ask for some BS 'job' as a brand ambassador or something, show off family memorabilia at a few conventions, and WB would probably be happy to pay a decent salary for that. Sports teams do this kind of thing all the time.


That sounds awfully reasonable...
 
2014-07-03 01:42:43 PM  

Fano: Orgasmatron138: Nix Nightbird:

Not to mention that there are better ways to handle this sort of situation if you are the heirs. Quietly go through the proper channels and ask for some BS 'job' as a brand ambassador or something, show off family memorabilia at a few conventions, and WB would probably be happy to pay a decent salary for that. Sports teams do this kind of thing all the time.

That sounds awfully reasonable...


Which, sadly, is probably why it's unworkable.
 
2014-07-03 03:22:01 PM  

Some 'Splainin' To Do: Fano: Orgasmatron138: Nix Nightbird:

Not to mention that there are better ways to handle this sort of situation if you are the heirs. Quietly go through the proper channels and ask for some BS 'job' as a brand ambassador or something, show off family memorabilia at a few conventions, and WB would probably be happy to pay a decent salary for that. Sports teams do this kind of thing all the time.

That sounds awfully reasonable...

Which, sadly, is probably why it's unworkable.


That and the family assumes they can hold Superman for a Luthor level ransom.
 
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