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(Miami Herald)   You know what's depressing? Having to go to the hospital to get treated for depression. You know what's even more depressing? Getting strangled by another patient while you're being treated   (miamiherald.com ) divider line
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2014-07-02 03:18:44 AM  

worlddan: reveal101: I got was that most men went through with the suicide and very rarely did something stop men from actually doing it and getting help.

Let's me try and straighten this mythology out. Historically, men have tended to be more successful at suicides because they have chosen more lethal methods of suicide than females. This was because men are usually exposed to the implements of death and therefore are more knowledgeable about it. However, the internet has had a big impact on female's knowledge of lethal methods of killing. The result is that the rate of successful suicide has been steadily increasing among females.

It used to be thought that women's attempts were more likely to reflect a "call for help". We now know this isn't true and was simply a reflection of their ignorance.


So it was unfair and sexist to say they're attention whores. It's really just that they're stupid.

/[ducks]
 
2014-07-02 03:37:35 AM  
Here's my guess:

The dead man, having been previously diagnosed as bipolar and schizophrenic, was on either a locked ward or a maximum security ward (probably the latter). The killer likely had the same diagnosis. Since neither was currently a "threat to himself or a threat to others" (i.e., neither had said they were going to kill himself or anyone else) the staff put them in the same room (same diagnosis, same room) and had them on 15 or 30 minute checks, which is about standard. You can kill someone pretty much to death in 15 minutes.

Really, nobody is to blame in this one: The patient had said he wasn't homicidal; the staff was doing what they were supposed to do, you can tell because they initialed on the patient check-in sheet; the intake doctor asked all the right questions; and the ward WAS a severe/acute ward; what more do you want? These guys are mentally ill and quite unpredictable, they can go off with virtually zero warning. You can't expect the doctors and staff to be psychic.

And in all seriousness, what DO you want the doctors and staff to do? Lockdown wards are among the scariest places I've ever been, it's nearly impossible to sleep. I've been there several times because when you come in suicidal you get to spend at least 24 hours there before they decide if you're stable enough to go to the open ward. The last time I was there, I was in a room with three beds and four other women; one of them kept standing by my bed while I was trying to sleep, and I finally lied to the doctor and said I was not suicidal when I still actually was just to get moved to the less-crazy ward.

I think the staff genuinely do the best they can in most places; but there aren't enough trained therapists to keep an eye on all the people who are seriously nuts, the ones who are dangerous, the ones who are demented, the ones coming off drugs...and since county hospitals for the mentally ill are very low on the funding totem pole, it's not likely to change any time soon. The staff usually are trained in what to do if they see an assault; but since they don't have enough people to have staff in every room, all the time--and since the ACLU had cameras removed from rooms on the grounds it was an invasion of privacy--well, these things will happen.

You can have privacy or security, sometimes; you can't have both in a mental hospital.
 
2014-07-02 03:40:44 AM  
You know, I support the 2nd amendment and don't believe in assault weapons bans (though I support much more strenuous background checks), but the gun nuts are making it hard to keep that position. One of the biggest collection of d bags, it's like they like any self awareness. They might be responsible for any future gun restrictions just because they give people douche chills.
 
2014-07-02 03:41:56 AM  

TheJoe03: You know, I support the 2nd amendment and don't believe in assault weapons bans (though I support much more strenuous background checks), but the gun nuts are making it hard to keep that position. One of the biggest collection of d bags, it's like they like any self awareness. They might be responsible for any future gun restrictions just because they give people douche chills.


Whoops, wrong thread!
 
2014-07-02 04:48:09 AM  
Farkin' hospitals man. Death traps is what they are! People die there all the time. Walking into one is just asking for it, imo. They're all a scam anyways. Tellin' ya, next time you get sick go find yourself a nice voodoo priest or a shaman(or pray to the Lord if you're a good Christian). That'll fix ya right up.
 
2014-07-02 05:29:41 AM  

worlddan: It used to be thought that women's attempts were more likely to reflect a "call for help". We now know this isn't true and was simply a reflection of their ignorance.


I farked you as "misogynist" quite some time ago, and you never let me down. One post right after the other......ANY comment that has anything to do with men and women.
 
2014-07-02 06:32:02 AM  
What, no "Slowly I turned" video? Now I'm depressed.
 
2014-07-02 08:47:47 AM  
The Florida Tag must be too depressed to show up.

FTFA: "The security and well-being of our patients, staff and visitors remain of utmost importance and we are committed to providing care in a safe environment to the community we serve,"

What is that old saying? Oh yea, "Actions speak louder than words."

We all know that they can't just admit that they farked up because of lawsuits, but this self-serving nonsense that they always spout just adds insult to injury.
 
2014-07-02 09:00:05 AM  

reveal101: I committed myself for attempted suicide about 5 years ago. I had a thorough and well planned method for a quick exit, and I was about to do it.

The image of my 6 month old daughter in my head prevented me from doing it.

I was placed in the non-violent low-risk ward. I could go out for smokes and return without escort, although I was technically 'in custody'. I was with non-violent schizophrenics who mostly had stripped nude in psychosis while off meds, (Interesting people, I might add) and others of various mental health issues. I never once felt in any danger.

There was a high risk ward, and in fact I was in the reserves with a man who worked as a security guard at a similar high risk ward at another city hospital, and he told me a story of a girl of 20 who made over 30 2-6 inch gashes across her entire body in a bathtub, and how he pulled her nude body out so that medical staff could intervene.

After 10 days I was released and placed into a 30 day high intensity program for clinical depression at the same hospital. It changed my life, and despite still battling depression I am still here, five years later. Mainly thanks to my daughters, my lights in the dark.

In the 30 day program, I noticed that out of 30 people, only 2, me and one other, were men. I commented on this at one point, and the response I got was that most men went through with the suicide and very rarely did something stop men from actually doing it and getting help.


There is a reason why suicide is seen as a selfish act, and your selflessness stopped a little girl from not having an important person in her life.  Some people see children as a big burden, but that is just not the case, sometimes they will teach you wonderful things and may even save your life.  Let your girls know of this later when they can understand, it will show them how much they mean to you, and you may need your experiences to help them when life gets too hard for them.

/I stick around because of the wife and kids
//I can't stand the rest of the world, and I know they won't miss me.

worlddan: Let's me try and straighten this mythology out. Historically, men have tended to be more successful at suicides because they have chosen more lethal methods of suicide than females. This was because men are usually exposed to the implements of death and therefore are more knowledgeable about it. However, the internet has had a big impact on female's knowledge of lethal methods of killing. The result is that the rate of successful suicide has been steadily increasing among females. It used to be thought that women's attempts were more likely to reflect a "call for help". We now know this isn't true and was simply a reflection of their ignorance.

In other words, the difference between those who attempt suicide and fail and those who successfully complete suicide is rarely a reflection of differences in desire, rather it is a reflection of differences in knowledge.


So, men are better planners.  I can't disagree with that.
 
2014-07-02 09:25:35 AM  
Suffering long term depression,I find this topic heh, sad. Because I could easily slaughter every m****f****r who hurts me as they tend to often do so, I cry when people are awfully to me as I'd rather people treated me like the pathetic Wanker I appear to be than end up in prison. You can't have pets in prison.
 
2014-07-02 10:11:13 AM  

fusillade762: No, no, Jimmy, choking is something you do when you eat too fast. As I'm crushing Mister Moorin's windpipe with my watch chain, what I'm doing is actually referred to as strangling.


+1
 
2014-07-02 04:27:44 PM  
Is he still depressed? THEN I THINK THE TREATMENT WORKED, THANK YOU VERY MUCH
 
2014-07-02 04:37:25 PM  

gerbilpox: They say (misogynists!) that women attempt it for attention or as a cry for help, while guys do it because we actually want to do it.


worlddan: In other words, the difference between those who attempt suicide and fail and those who successfully complete suicide is rarely a reflection of differences in desire, rather it is a reflection of differences in knowledge.


Neither of you know what the hell you're talking about. Suicide is one subject I know a lot about. Women are more likely to do it as a cry for help I know this both from experience and research done by scientists. It has nothing to do with sexism, unless you count reality as sexist. Its has to do with our culture. When I was hospitalized I met very few women who actually wanted to die. Also, the rate of separation between gender, in the US, for suicide has been fairly consistent for decades. Just take a look at the section 'Suicide Rates by Sex'.

As a man you are less likely to find support or sympathy for an attempted suicide. Likely none. It just the way ore culture views men and women. When a man tries to kill himself its his fault for not being strong, smart, self-reliant, able enough, etc... When a woman tries she need support and help to make it trough and is owed that by society. Ask any man that's tried to kill himself: what you get is guilt, blame, the implications that you've failed as a man, and the impression that you should have been able to fix the problem yourself. This isn't always the case, but more often than not. As a man it's better to just die than to fail an attempt or admit that you want to die. It's why it's been 75%+ of all US suicide deaths are men, and will continue to be so until we change our view on men and what it means to be a man.
 
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