draypresct: Spoken language comprehension =/= reading comprehension. This should be obvious to anyone who has ever spoken to someone who grew up with a different dialect of English.Does Cincinnati only accept local students or something?
tlchwi02: thats the same way that an H1-B candidate can have a bachelors, grad, phd, 5 years experience each in 7 different operating systems, programing languages and databases from the upper western derganistani technical college of business applications and furthermore at the ripe old age of 23.
AlgaeRancher: ok teachers, less essays and more group projects.Those are harder to outsource.
K.B.O. Winston: AlgaeRancher: ok teachers, less essays and more group projects.Those are harder to outsource.Actually, you just don't show up. Then the folks who don't want a bad grade have to carry you.Especially if part of your grade is 'team unity,' as in 'can you get this done without any complaints about your absent team member?' It was annoying, but it did accurately reflect client scenarios. A client wouldn't care less that someone dropped the ball at the last minute.
Fubini: draypresct: Spoken language comprehension =/= reading comprehension. This should be obvious to anyone who has ever spoken to someone who grew up with a different dialect of English.Does Cincinnati only accept local students or something?I think that the point is that if they lie about their English proficiency, then they've probably lied about other things as well. There's a huge number of people who want to get into competitive programs, so there's actually an incentive for admissions people to weed out applicants quickly.Most universities require students to submit proof of their English fluency, normally using a standardized test such as TOEFL. The TOEFL reports a score on Reading, Listening, Speaking, and Writing, so you can assess fairly quickly whether or not someone is truly intermediate or proficient with speaking English, and you can make sure that lines up with their reported score.Practically, especially at a university, students need to listen to and understand lectures, ask questions, read course material, and turn in written assignments. Language skills are crucial, and frankly you're doing a disservice to everybody if you accept a student who doesn't have the ability. The student will learn better in their native language, and the professor and other students won't have to worry about whether or not the language barrier is getting in the way of instruction.
Because People in power are Stupid: "To get into" the US -yeah, because China is a dump.
Jim_Callahan: primarily to people in another major for breadth credits
Jim_Callahan: Because People in power are Stupid: "To get into" the US -yeah, because China is a dump.Yup, and because we've got an antagonistic enough alliance with China that we de facto go out of our way to let the ones that come here for college stay, sort of a semi-refugee status thing.// Group projects often involve group presentations, by the way, since the other guy was bringing it up. Sure, in high school where the teacher probably doesn't care you can skip and get carried, but it's a lot harder when the lecturer/GSA is watching out for those kinds of shenanegans.
Dr Dreidel: According to a friend on the Judicial Board, it was fairly common for some foreign students to have university-provided "tutors" who would do their homework in non-major classes. I'm not remembering with 100% clarity, but I seem to also recall hearing that tutors who objected found themselves without clients for the following semester.Anywho, these were (e.g.) engineering students who were required to take core classes outside of the hard sciences - humanities, arts, social science, etc - and "didn't want to" because they were only "sent here" to learn how to be engineers.Which sort of defeats the purpose of core, while also costing taxpayers more money and keeping admission spots from more deserving individuals. It's almost enough to turn you isolationist.
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