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(Mother Jones)   Here's a workaround for the President to keep female employees covered with contraceptive coverage despite the Supreme Court ruling   (motherjones.com) divider line 328
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2014-07-01 10:19:39 AM  
I wish he could come up with a workaround to keep the No Corporation Left Behind Supreme Court 5-4 majority from damaging any more of American individual law.
 
2014-07-01 10:29:36 AM  
I wish I was covered in coverage. Or maybe spaghetti sauce.
 
2014-07-01 10:39:34 AM  
They have contraceptive coverage, they have "the pill" they have 16 out 20 of the options! You just have to get rid of the egg before the dirty little sperm touches it.

How expensive is the morning after pill? And are there women out there that need it so often that it factors into their thinking when it comes to employment?!
 
2014-07-01 10:50:53 AM  
Using the same workaround, the government can ensure that employees of companies such as Hobby Lobby still get the contraception coverage they are entitled to under the Affordable Care Act, says Sara Rosenbaum, chair of the health policy school at George Washington University. "The only difference is that the employer is not exposed to the cost," she says.

That's all that matters to Hobby Lobby. They just wanted to save a buck.
 
2014-07-01 11:09:43 AM  
Remember kids.. welfare is only good when it goes to corporations.
 
2014-07-01 12:03:23 PM  
"HA HA! SUCK IT, LIBS! HOBBY LOBBY DOESN'T HAVE TO PAY FOR SLUTS TO HAVE THEIR SLUT PILLS!"

"I guess they don't. Now the taxpayer will be paying for them instead of Hobby Lobby. How's that victory feel now, conservatards?"

Go shop at Hobby Lobby some more to show them how much you love it that they "stuck it to the libs."
 
2014-07-01 12:05:06 PM  

Lando Lincoln: Using the same workaround, the government can ensure that employees of companies such as Hobby Lobby still get the contraception coverage they are entitled to under the Affordable Care Act, says Sara Rosenbaum, chair of the health policy school at George Washington University. "The only difference is that the employer is not exposed to the cost," she says.

That's all that matters to Hobby Lobby. They just wanted to save a buck.


Exactly... There's only one god these shameless hypocrites worship. The Almighty Dollar.
 
2014-07-01 12:05:26 PM  
apparently the existing law is already a workaround it just involves putting the cost on to everyone else instead of the employer.
 
2014-07-01 12:05:58 PM  

Lando Lincoln: "HA HA! SUCK IT, LIBS! HOBBY LOBBY DOESN'T HAVE TO PAY FOR SLUTS TO HAVE THEIR SLUT PILLS!"

"I guess they don't. Now the taxpayer will be paying for them instead of Hobby Lobby. How's that victory feel now, conservatards?"

Go shop at Hobby Lobby some more to show them how much you love it that they "stuck it to the libs."


They really do do this.  They farking went to chic-fil-a to support death penalty for gays in Uganda.  Conservative pettiness is big money.
 
2014-07-01 12:08:39 PM  
Awww, poor Libs gotta pay for their own contraceptives.
Here's a tip, sue your knees together.
 
2014-07-01 12:09:03 PM  
I have to admit, the heavy amount of gloating from conservatives hurts. Not because "my team lost" so to speak, but because I don't understand how ANYONE can be happy with this ruling.
 
2014-07-01 12:09:57 PM  

Headso: apparently the existing law is already a workaround it just involves putting the cost on to everyone else instead of the employer.


...and I do hope the conservative blowhards in this country enjoy paying for these folks' contraceptives now.

As usual, the Right is incredibly myopic when it comes to stuff like this.
 
2014-07-01 12:10:25 PM  
Paying for it yourself suspiciously absent from the list.
 
2014-07-01 12:11:09 PM  

mistrmind: Awww, poor Libs gotta pay for their own contraceptives.
Here's a tip, sue your knees together.


Guess again, jackass. You'll be paying for them, too. Enjoy! I know I will.
 
2014-07-01 12:11:13 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: They have contraceptive coverage, they have "the pill" they have 16 out 20 of the options! You just have to get rid of the egg before the dirty little sperm touches it.

How expensive is the morning after pill? And are there women out there that need it so often that it factors into their thinking when it comes to employment?!


It's $50.  So not cheap, but cheaper than a surgical abortion or raising a rugrat.
 
2014-07-01 12:11:32 PM  

raerae1980: I have to admit, the heavy amount of gloating from conservatives hurts. Not because "my team lost" so to speak, but because I don't understand how ANYONE can be happy with this ruling.


Let me explain.  You know how they like punishing the non-believers?  It's that.
 
2014-07-01 12:12:02 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: They have contraceptive coverage, they have "the pill" they have 16 out 20 of the options! You just have to get rid of the egg before the dirty little sperm touches it.

How expensive is the morning after pill? And are there women out there that need it so often that it factors into their thinking when it comes to employment?!


Likewise, I very much doubt that Hobby Lobby is saving any money on premiums for not including the after morning pill in their pharmacy plan.

This whole issue isn't about money.  It's about trying to impose your religious beliefs on everyone else.
 
2014-07-01 12:12:19 PM  

mistrmind: Awww, poor Libs gotta pay for their own contraceptives.


No. YOU will be.
 
2014-07-01 12:12:31 PM  

raerae1980: I have to admit, the heavy amount of gloating from conservatives hurts. Not because "my team lost" so to speak, but because I don't understand how ANYONE can be happy with this ruling.


You have to be the very narrow variety of male, white, straight, and Christian to consider this a good thing. For those types, this is one more step towards making apartheid with them on top a reality.
 
2014-07-01 12:13:44 PM  

Generation_D: I wish he could come up with a workaround to keep the No Corporation Left Behind Supreme Court 5-4 majority from damaging any more of American individual law.


Kennedy is looking tired. Don't you think Kennedy looks tired?
 
2014-07-01 12:13:54 PM  

StokeyBob: Paying for it yourself suspiciously absent from the list.


I'm sure you feel the same way about viagra and vasectomies? Because you know keeping those on the books might make it look like a double standard, just saying.
 
2014-07-01 12:14:34 PM  

Pincy: This whole issue isn't about money.


No, it's definitely about money. If they actually cared about their religious beliefs, then they wouldn't have invested in abortion pill manufacturers.
 
2014-07-01 12:15:04 PM  

StokeyBob: Paying for it yourself suspiciously absent from the list.


Personal responsibility went out the window a long time ago.
 
2014-07-01 12:15:45 PM  
The Stealth Hippopotamus: And are there women out there that need it so often that it factors into their thinking when it comes to employment?!

And where can I meet these women?!
 
2014-07-01 12:15:50 PM  

Sergeant Grumbles: raerae1980: I have to admit, the heavy amount of gloating from conservatives hurts. Not because "my team lost" so to speak, but because I don't understand how ANYONE can be happy with this ruling.

You have to be the very narrow variety of male, white, straight, and Christian to consider this a good thing. For those types, this is one more step towards making apartheid with them on top a reality.


And wait until the first Muslim-owned company denies contraceptives.... then it'll be "OMG, Sharia Law!!"
 
2014-07-01 12:16:02 PM  

Sergeant Grumbles: You have to be the very narrow variety of male, white, straight, and Christian to consider this a good thing.


I know a few male white straight Christians who are also rational thinkers. They don't consider this a good thing at all.
 
2014-07-01 12:17:29 PM  
Well, that unfarks the contraception thing, but what kind of workaround is there for the USSC naming fundamentalist christianity the state religion?
 
2014-07-01 12:18:16 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: They have contraceptive coverage, they have "the pill" they have 16 out 20 of the options! You just have to get rid of the egg before the dirty little sperm touches it.

How expensive is the morning after pill? And are there women out there that need it so often that it factors into their thinking when it comes to employment?!


IUDs are much more effective, much more expensive, and are part of the 4 that were argued as part of this case.
 
2014-07-01 12:18:49 PM  
The fact that the government was already doing this to religious non-profits certainly hurt their case; the Surpremes are now just saying "do the same thing for for profits too".
 
2014-07-01 12:20:29 PM  

raerae1980: I have to admit, the heavy amount of gloating from conservatives hurts. Not because "my team lost" so to speak, but because I don't understand how ANYONE can be happy with this ruling.


If right wingers were told that eating their own leg would stick it to the libs, they would do it without a thought.

The right is just unbelievably petty and vindictive. So much so that their attempts to stick it to the libs usually hurts themselves more in the end.
 
2014-07-01 12:20:30 PM  

Lando Lincoln: Using the same workaround, the government can ensure that employees of companies such as Hobby Lobby still get the contraception coverage they are entitled to under the Affordable Care Act, says Sara Rosenbaum, chair of the health policy school at George Washington University. "The only difference is that the employer is not exposed to the cost," she says.

That's all that matters to Hobby Lobby. They just wanted to save a buck.


I dunno.  I can actually see the insurance company charging  more to implement this policy, since they eliminate some choices that might be cheaper than the ones covered, plus there's substantial additional paperwork to craft a new type of goofy policy just for Hobby Lobby.
 
2014-07-01 12:20:50 PM  

Sergeant Grumbles: raerae1980: I have to admit, the heavy amount of gloating from conservatives hurts. Not because "my team lost" so to speak, but because I don't understand how ANYONE can be happy with this ruling.

You have to be the very narrow variety of male, white, straight, and Christian to consider this a good thing. For those types, this is one more step towards making apartheid with them on top a reality.


Still, it breaks my heart seeing other females cheer this on. Its like they, themselves, are clueless about the issues. And they shouldn't be!!!
 
2014-07-01 12:20:59 PM  

Generation_D: I wish he could come up with a workaround to keep the No Corporation Left Behind Supreme Court 5-4 majority from damaging any more of American individual law.


Our only hope is that Alito eats more butter and expires before 2016.
 
2014-07-01 12:22:11 PM  
After reading this article, I'm inspired.  If the government does decide to cover those women impacted by the SCOTUS ruling, that means government and health-care will be even more intertwined.  Then, if new challenges to the ACA arise and more exceptions are granted, it will drive still more people onto the so-called "government teat."  As people rely more and more on the government for their healthcare, they'll begin to think, "Hey, maybe government-run health-care isn't so bad after all," and BOOM! Single-payer.
 
2014-07-01 12:22:33 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: They have contraceptive coverage, they have "the pill" they have 16 out 20 of the options! You just have to get rid of the egg before the dirty little sperm touches it.


Which is exactly how the morning after pill and IUD work.

But the Supreme Council of Clerics Court decided that religious belief trumps scientific reality, so they're still banned.
 
2014-07-01 12:23:43 PM  

StokeyBob: Paying for it yourself suspiciously absent from the list.


Using your health insurance IS paying for it yourself. Health insurance is not a gift from your employer; it's compensation that you earn by doing your job. Your employer should not be able to tell you what to do with your health insurance any more than they can tell you how to spend your paycheck or what you can do on your vacation days.
 
2014-07-01 12:24:09 PM  
Rosenbaum says the existence of the religious nonprofit exemption, which has been upheld by several federal courts, helped doom the contraception mandate.

So don't try to be accommodating to others because they will use that to screw you over later.

Neither should get exemptions. You do business -- You follow the law. If you don't want to follow the law don't make a business.
 
2014-07-01 12:24:37 PM  

Tomahawk513: After reading this article, I'm inspired.  If the government does decide to cover those women impacted by the SCOTUS ruling, that means government and health-care will be even more intertwined.  Then, if new challenges to the ACA arise and more exceptions are granted, it will drive still more people onto the so-called "government teat."  As people rely more and more on the government for their healthcare, they'll begin to think, "Hey, maybe government-run health-care isn't so bad after all," and BOOM! Single-payer.


The Supreme Court is basically saying that government should be the solution to the problem in this case.  I'm not sure all the Conservatives jumping for joy right now realize this.
 
2014-07-01 12:24:55 PM  

Lando Lincoln: mistrmind: Awww, poor Libs gotta pay for their own contraceptives.

No. YOU will be.


No, come Nov we'll be pushing the Dems out and come 2016 we'll say goodbye for the Democratic Tyrant President.
Overturn Obummercare.   Problem solved.
 
2014-07-01 12:25:08 PM  
Who would have thought birth control would help us take a step towards single payer.

Granted, we seem to be following a path that resembles a Gordian knot, but we're headed that way.
 
2014-07-01 12:25:46 PM  

StokeyBob: Paying for it yourself suspiciously absent from the list.


This people are paying for it. They are working and they get it through the compensation of their job -- It's called EMPLOYMENT.

Your WORK and your boss gives you money and other compensation -- Normally they don't get to dictate how you use that compensation. However Hobby Lobby and others they they should be able to.
 
2014-07-01 12:27:04 PM  
I'm also seeing a backlash to Ginsburg and her awesome rebuttal to Scalia. It seems she struck a nerve with the conservatives.
 
2014-07-01 12:27:23 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: They have contraceptive coverage, they have "the pill" they have 16 out 20 of the options! You just have to get rid of the egg before the dirty little sperm touches it.

How expensive is the morning after pill? And are there women out there that need it so often that it factors into their thinking when it comes to employment?!


My friend doesn't use hormonal birth control, it makes her feel like crap. She always used condoms, but kept plan b around in case of a condom breaking. She only had to use it once over a few years, but having it may have saved her an unwanted pregnancy.
 
2014-07-01 12:27:33 PM  

Pincy: Tomahawk513: After reading this article, I'm inspired.  If the government does decide to cover those women impacted by the SCOTUS ruling, that means government and health-care will be even more intertwined.  Then, if new challenges to the ACA arise and more exceptions are granted, it will drive still more people onto the so-called "government teat."  As people rely more and more on the government for their healthcare, they'll begin to think, "Hey, maybe government-run health-care isn't so bad after all," and BOOM! Single-payer.

The Supreme Court is basically saying that government should be the solution to the problem in this case.  I'm not sure all the Conservatives jumping for joy right now realize this.


This may turn out to be a big moment for the Democrat* Party.  For one, this decision may motivate Dem voters to get out and vote, and two, what you said.

/*Seriously, is it Democratic Party, or Democrat Party?
 
2014-07-01 12:27:58 PM  

Corvus: Neither should get exemptions. You do business -- You follow the law. If you don't want to follow the law don't make a business.


I hope corporations keep pushing in this way so eventually people don't depend on their employers to provide any insurance whatsoever.
 
2014-07-01 12:29:07 PM  

mistrmind: No, come Nov we'll be pushing the Dems out and come 2016 we'll say goodbye for the Democratic Tyrant President.
Overturn Obummercare.   Problem solved.


You are such a farking moron. Even if you're trolling, you're still a dumbass.
 
2014-07-01 12:30:02 PM  
And here we go, we're going to put in hack fixes to fix a farked up solution with questionable manuvering. This is a half assed hack being slapped onto a POS hack law.

Abort the ACA.
 
2014-07-01 12:30:08 PM  

Tomahawk513: Pincy: Tomahawk513: After reading this article, I'm inspired.  If the government does decide to cover those women impacted by the SCOTUS ruling, that means government and health-care will be even more intertwined.  Then, if new challenges to the ACA arise and more exceptions are granted, it will drive still more people onto the so-called "government teat."  As people rely more and more on the government for their healthcare, they'll begin to think, "Hey, maybe government-run health-care isn't so bad after all," and BOOM! Single-payer.

The Supreme Court is basically saying that government should be the solution to the problem in this case.  I'm not sure all the Conservatives jumping for joy right now realize this.

This may turn out to be a big moment for the Democrat* Party.  For one, this decision may motivate Dem voters to get out and vote, and two, what you said.

/*Seriously, is it Democratic Party, or Democrat Party?


It's Democratic Party.
 
2014-07-01 12:32:16 PM  

SundaesChild: It's $50. So not cheap, but cheaper than a surgical abortion or raising a rugrat.


You forgot the multiplier. How many times a year do you think this is needed? Once? Monthly? Weekly? Do you think there are women out there that think "wow I'd love to work for Hobby Lobby but I really need help buy all those morning after pills"?

Pincy: This whole issue isn't about money. It's about trying to impose your religious beliefs on everyone else.


Or the flip of the coin this was about the government forcing their beliefs on the owners. This is not about what the employees will or will not have it's about what the employer will or will not subsidize. These products will not be kept away from employees! They can still buy them, they just can't use their policies to pay for them.
 
2014-07-01 12:32:26 PM  

Geotpf: Lando Lincoln: Using the same workaround, the government can ensure that employees of companies such as Hobby Lobby still get the contraception coverage they are entitled to under the Affordable Care Act, says Sara Rosenbaum, chair of the health policy school at George Washington University. "The only difference is that the employer is not exposed to the cost," she says.

That's all that matters to Hobby Lobby. They just wanted to save a buck.

I dunno.  I can actually see the insurance company charging  more to implement this policy, since they eliminate some choices that might be cheaper than the ones covered, plus there's substantial additional paperwork to craft a new type of goofy policy just for Hobby Lobby.


Yup. I work in the Self-Funded area of Health Insurance. Currently, we can accommodate a group that wants to remove abortion services from their coverage but we can't remove contraception services as that involves the employee's drug card (and an outside vendor).
I can see the nerds in Actuarial tacking on a special fee for a special "no contraception" drug card. No problem.
 
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