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2014-07-01 11:05:45 AM
Will this be the one where they push for OS subscriptions, or will they hold off and do that in Win10 (Windows365*cough*) after the Windows 8 stinkfest?
 
2014-07-01 11:41:54 AM
From the article it sounds like they're just refining the ideas they've been working with, which is best way to go, as Metro in and of itself wasn't a bad idea, the implementation just left something to be desired.

Having hybrid systems that can default to the desktop or metro environment depending on whether or not a keyboard is attached is a smart move, and it allows the most flexibility for users.  Metro never made sense as a primary desktop environment, but it's great for touch-centric devices.

Allowing metro apps to run windowed on the desktop is also a great idea.

None of this is earth shattering change, but if it makes it easier on new users and gets the biatch-brigade to stop complaining about non-existent problems I'm all for it.
 
2014-07-01 11:44:51 AM

TuteTibiImperes: From the article it sounds like they're just refining the ideas they've been working with, which is best way to go, as Metro in and of itself wasn't a bad idea, the implementation just left something to be desired.

Having hybrid systems that can default to the desktop or metro environment depending on whether or not a keyboard is attached is a smart move, and it allows the most flexibility for users.  Metro never made sense as a primary desktop environment, but it's great for touch-centric devices.

Allowing metro apps to run windowed on the desktop is also a great idea.

None of this is earth shattering change, but if it makes it easier on new users and gets the biatch-brigade to stop complaining about non-existent problems I'm all for it.


So much this.
 
2014-07-01 11:50:45 AM
I don't really care what an OS "does", my computer needs seldom stress all the whiz-bang stuff.

But for the love of von Neumann, could they please stop changing where all the "command and control" functions hide?
 
2014-07-01 11:53:53 AM
I don't really get the issues people had with Windows 8. Sure, you had to familiarize yourself with the layouts and functions, but it was just fine otherwise. You'd think it was sending anti-semitic literature to your friends and family the way people talk about it.
 
2014-07-01 12:02:09 PM
LOL this article could have been written by a farker.

This OS sucks.

Microsoft is backing away from this OS.

Apple and Google are integrating it.

OMG!! DESERTING!!

MS can't win, no matter what. They should ignore these people.
 
2014-07-01 12:08:53 PM

hstein3: I don't really get the issues people had with Windows 8. Sure, you had to familiarize yourself with the layouts and functions, but it was just fine otherwise. You'd think it was sending anti-semitic literature to your friends and family the way people talk about it.


I swore off Windows 8 in the RC version when I couldn't figure out how to get the address bar in IE to pup up. I would have googled it, but that required the missing address bar. I tried all the gestures I could remember from the quick tutorial but nothing worked. I said "fark this" and restored my 7 backup.
 
2014-07-01 12:09:17 PM
so it's their usual badly implemented consumer focused release followed by an enterprise release that takes all the good bits from the consumer and makes them functional
 
2014-07-01 12:11:25 PM

TuteTibiImperes: From the article it sounds like they're just refining the ideas they've been working with, which is best way to go, as Metro in and of itself wasn't a bad idea, the implementation just left something to be desired.

Having hybrid systems that can default to the desktop or metro environment depending on whether or not a keyboard is attached is a smart move, and it allows the most flexibility for users.  Metro never made sense as a primary desktop environment, but it's great for touch-centric devices.

Allowing metro apps to run windowed on the desktop is also a great idea.

None of this is earth shattering change, but if it makes it easier on new users and gets the biatch-brigade to stop complaining about non-existent problems I'm all for it.


on mobile it's probably great, I just dislike it as my only choice for a desktop in the way they implemented it


of course I have a few applications that had subfoldersin the start menu so metro kind of made a mess when everything would be loaded.
 
2014-07-01 12:14:39 PM
MS - 1 poorly implemented OS for all platforms.
Regardless of how badly it integrates with the use case of the platform.
/because profit
 
2014-07-01 12:15:01 PM

Geoff Peterson: LOL this article could have been written by a farker.

This OS sucks.

Microsoft is backing away from this OS.

Apple and Google are integrating it.

OMG!! DESERTING!!

MS can't win, no matter what. They should ignore these people.


you forgot to call them M$
 
2014-07-01 12:18:23 PM

TuteTibiImperes: but if it makes it easier on new users and gets the biatch-brigade to stop complaining about non-existent problems I'm all for it.


Did you really just post an abbreviated list of some problems and improvements over poor design... and then bash people for complaining about "non-existent problems?"

print "Infinite Loop\n" while 1
 
2014-07-01 12:19:26 PM
I had one of the early Win8 Nokia Lumia devices when I worked for the Big Blue Death Star. It was decent, pretty fast and had an awesome camera (for the time). The drawback from my point of view was the app market. It was devoid of most of the useful things I liked with Android and to a lesser extent, the iTunes store.

My wife's new work laptop is a Toshiba touchscreen. She's fairly techy, and I think the first thing she did was swear at the touchscreen part of it. She's maybe used that functionality two or three times. It's unwieldy. And then she found some program to disable the start menu and made it more like Win7, which we both liked a lot. Hell, I LOVED it. It worked and was pretty intuitive. I need a new gaming PC but I'm waiting for the next iteration of WinX.X.
 
2014-07-01 12:25:10 PM
I heard they're going to make the Kinnect a mandatory requirement for windows 9, they say they got the idea after watching so many people issue hand gestures while trying to use windows 8.
 
2014-07-01 12:27:00 PM
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I just love how the Win8 fetishists defend it, apparently oblivious to just how tiny a minority they are.

Win8/Metro was a horrible idea to force on desktop users; UX experts, including a lot who once worked for Microsoft's Research arm agreed that Metro was a horrible interface for the desktop. The only reason it was foisted upon the masses was to acclimatize their userbase to Windows mobile devices in a misguided, ill-thought out, and ill-fated attempt to compete with Apple and Android for phone and tablet dominance.
 
2014-07-01 12:27:25 PM

ElLoco: TuteTibiImperes: but if it makes it easier on new users and gets the biatch-brigade to stop complaining about non-existent problems I'm all for it.

Did you really just post an abbreviated list of some problems and improvements over poor design... and then bash people for complaining about "non-existent problems?"

print "Infinite Loop\n" while 1


I never said it was perfect, but there was (is?) a ton of FUD going around about Windows 8 from people who either never used it or used it only briefly.  A big example are the people who keep trying to say that you have to use metro, and that there's no longer any desktop.

The desktop in Windows 8 is just as nice as the one in Windows 7.  Other than the start screen you never have to see any metro anything at all if you don't want to.  Even the start screen barely comes into play - I pinned my most commonly used programs to the taskbar, so I only see the start screen once or twice a month when I need to launch something I rarely use.

Another fake-complaint is about the 'charms' bar.  You don't really need to use the charms bar for anything.  I don't think I've ever used it on the desktop.  Sure, it's there, but you can ignore it.

There are some legitimate concerns, like the settings/control panels being broken up into two places, the default associations for some file types with metro apps (though in previous versions those file types had no default program to open them, so really, that might not even be a problem), and the advertising that seemed to show people using primarily metro on the desktop were issues, but fairly minor in the grand scheme of things.

The bottom line is that Windows 8 has some quirks, but they're easy to get over in a pretty short amount of time.
 
2014-07-01 12:30:50 PM

LesserEvil: [img2u.info image 500x280]

I just love how the Win8 fetishists defend it, apparently oblivious to just how tiny a minority they are.

Win8/Metro was a horrible idea to force on desktop users; UX experts, including a lot who once worked for Microsoft's Research arm agreed that Metro was a horrible interface for the desktop. The only reason it was foisted upon the masses was to acclimatize their userbase to Windows mobile devices in a misguided, ill-thought out, and ill-fated attempt to compete with Apple and Android for phone and tablet dominance.


there are ways they could have made it easier to live with, like metro for your top applications, and a start option


or setting up the main screen as your top apps, and then when you gesture to all apps have things in groups similar to how the start menu was organized


they could have made an either or as well, but they just dropped a very bad interface for what isn't a terrible idea, but they made it one
 
2014-07-01 12:34:13 PM

TuteTibiImperes: I never said it was perfect, but there was (is?) a ton of FUD going around about Windows 8 from people who either never used it or used it only briefly.  A big example are the people who keep trying to say that you have to use metro, and that there's no longer any desktop.

The desktop in Windows 8 is just as nice as the one in Windows 7.  Other than the start screen you never have to see any metro anything at all if you don't want to.  Even the start screen barely comes into play - I pinned my most commonly used programs to the taskbar, so I only see the start screen once or twice a month when I need to launch something I rarely use.


But it was totally unnecessary.  I still have it running on one of my PCs at home and just yesterday I double clicked on a file and the damn thing opened some metro app in full screen.  And changing any settings takes twice as many mouseclicks as it did in 7 (which still took damn took long to find some idiotic setting in that horrible control panel).
 
2014-07-01 12:37:42 PM
Turns out voting with dollars works.
 
2014-07-01 12:38:16 PM
The main problem is that you people aren't getting touch-enabled monitors. Windows 8.1 is brilliant on touch screens once you get the hang of the gestures.

It's also pretty good without, but of course the Start screen works a bit differently.

I do find it amusing so many computer nerds are saying "I tried to do such-and-such the old way and couldn't figure out how so I just uninstalled it and never looked back."  -- You sound like your grandmothers when you tried to teach them how to use Windows XP. Instead of looking up how to do something (and finding out that in most cases they simplified it and you're trying to do it the hard way) you just throw up your hands and give up.

I run 8.1 on my main system, and 7 Professional on my other PC, and I have to say it's actually kind of unpleasant for me going back to the way they did things on Windows 7, now. Windows 8.1 is streamlined, faster, and has a lot of sensible improvements (the one I miss the most in Windows 7 is the ability to pause file copy/move operations when you set up multiples, so that you can increase the speed of one and then trigger the others to go after. Windows 7 doesn't give you ANY control over copy/move aside from the ability to cancel it. Pausing file transfers and restarting them is incredibly useful.)

And on Windows 7, I can't just type the name of the program I want and have it pop up-- I have to manually search through the Start Menu, going through sub-menus. There is search, of course, but it doesn't work the same way and it's much slower in Windows 7. In Windows 8.1 I just click Start, then type the first few letters of the program I'm seeking, and there it is on the right side. No wait.

I'm happy with Windows 8.1, but I can see why some of the more impatient types are too twitchy to sit down and learn anything about it. All I can say is that you're missing out. It's a faster, more stable, easier OS once you unlearn some of the habits of older Windows versions.


Towermonkey: She's fairly techy, and I think the first thing she did was swear at the touchscreen part of it. She's maybe used that functionality two or three times. It's unwieldy.


It's not unwieldy. I enjoyed the hell out of it on my Surface and ASUS T100 when I still had them. Once you learn the gestures, it's quite easy to get things done. The learning curve isn't that high, either. People are just fighting the very idea of Windows with a touch screen.
 
2014-07-01 12:38:18 PM
 This still at thing? Move along people.. Even Vista hate didn't last thing long.
 
2014-07-01 12:38:25 PM
I am glad newegg still offers laptops with windows 7. I just got one for contract work along with Office pro 2010 from ebay and I am good to go. No windows 8 crap or the bullshiat games that is office 2013 or 365.
 
2014-07-01 12:41:20 PM
Integrating things like this is for small-minded business folk who can't hold two ideas in their mind at once without trying to make them one idea.
 
2014-07-01 12:41:27 PM

gingerjet: But it was totally unnecessary.  I still have it running on one of my PCs at home and just yesterday I double clicked on a file and the damn thing opened some metro app in full screen.  And changing any settings takes twice as many mouseclicks as it did in 7 (which still took damn took long to find some idiotic setting in that horrible control panel).


All you needed to do was right-click on the file, choose "open with", "choose default program" and then pick a desktop program instead of a metro-style app. Done.
 
2014-07-01 12:44:03 PM

LesserEvil: I just love how the Win8 fetishists defend it, apparently oblivious to just how tiny a minority they are.

According to W3School's stats - Win 8 is currently at 17% of their market, more than Linux and Mac users combined. Heck, they've finally seen a precipitous drop in WinXp users, now at 7.3%.

Over at NetMarketShare, they're showing Win 8 at about 13% of the market right now, ahead of Mac's 3.95 and Linux's 1.74% of the market (nearly triple their combined total).

Most numbers seem to show that a quarter billion users are now on Win 8 and depending on who's numbers you use, it's the 2nd or 3rd most used OS in history. Heck, it has sold more & faster than XP or Vista and is only 2nd to the sales of Windows 7. But you go ahead and keep claiming your imaginary statistics.

So, if Win 8 is a tiny minority, we can go ahead and ignore everything from Linux and OSX fans, right? They're a pico minority.
 
2014-07-01 12:45:23 PM

gingerjet: And changing any settings takes twice as many mouseclicks as it did in 7 (which still took damn took long to find some idiotic setting in that horrible control panel).

Go to start button, right click. All the settings controls you could ever want, within a click or two. Much faster than Windows 7 or XP.
 
2014-07-01 12:53:21 PM

Nix Nightbird: And on Windows 7, I can't just type the name of the program I want and have it pop up-- I have to manually search through the Start Menu, going through sub-menus. There is search, of course, but it doesn't work the same way and it's much slower in Windows 7. In Windows 8.1 I just click Start, then type the first few letters of the program I'm seeking, and there it is on the right side. No wait.


Your Windows 8 description sounds exactly like how it works in Windows 7 for me. It sounds like you screwed up some setting. When I start typing in the search, programs are popping up before I even get to the next letter. And the reason people are giving up on 8 is because the old way to do things worked for years across different versions. Things that worked in XP also worked the same way in Vista and 7. Then Windows 8 came along at shat all over it. The name "Windows" comes with it a certain large set of expectations and Windows 8 doesn't follow those.
 
2014-07-01 12:58:42 PM

styckx: This still at thing? Move along people.. Even Vista hate didn't last thing long.


Yea... I'm pretty sure that I still hate Vista.
 
2014-07-01 01:02:23 PM

Tobin_Lam: hstein3: I don't really get the issues people had with Windows 8. Sure, you had to familiarize yourself with the layouts and functions, but it was just fine otherwise. You'd think it was sending anti-semitic literature to your friends and family the way people talk about it.

I swore off Windows 8 in the RC version when I couldn't figure out how to get the address bar in IE to pup up. I would have googled it, but that required the missing address bar. I tried all the gestures I could remember from the quick tutorial but nothing worked. I said "fark this" and restored my 7 backup.



I also swore off W8 in RC when there was no way to "forget" a wireless network. I figured no product that contained that level of failure (even in beta) would be worth paying for when it was finished.

/removing/rediscovering my wireless NIC in device manager is not a real solution.
 
2014-07-01 01:03:55 PM

Nix Nightbird: The main problem is that you people aren't getting touch-enabled monitors. Windows 8.1 is brilliant on touch screens once you get the hang of the gestures.


You mean all we have to do to get Microsoft's shoe-horned effort into generating tablet and phone sales to work right is replace our perfectly fine displays with a more expensive touch screen based one? Where do I sign up???

/Uses Windows 8.1
//With Start8 and no metro
 
2014-07-01 01:06:16 PM
hstein3:  You'd think it was sending anti-semitic literature to your friends and family the way people talk about it.

Good thing they fixed that bug in the Developer's Preview.
 
2014-07-01 01:09:42 PM

aelat: I also swore off W8 in RC when there was no way to "forget" a wireless network. I figured no product that contained that level of failure (even in beta) would be worth paying for when it was

finished./removing/rediscovering my wireless NIC in device manager is not a real solution.

You bailed on an OS due to a fairly obscure setting that wasn't in a "Release Candidate" version of software? Here's how it works today: Pull up the charms bar, click "settings," select network, right click on the wireless network you want to forget. Wipe hands on pants.

img.fark.net
 
2014-07-01 01:13:18 PM

Geoff Peterson: LOL this article could have been written by a farker.


Worse. It's written by Peter at Ars. :oP

The article his is based on puts it much better: Microsoft is basically "done" with Windows 8.x. Regardless of how usable or functional it is or isn't, it has become Microsoft's Vista 2.0 - something from which Microsoft needs to distance itself, perception-wise.

The good news is they finally have acknowledged that forcing a smart phone interface onto desktop PC's was incredibly stupid.

Oddly, they still aren't talking about making the presence or lack of Metro an optional choice controlled by the user. Instead they are going to make the choice for the user based on Microsoft's opinion of what interface works best on their hardware, which is still stupid.

Let the freaking user choose themselves. It's not rocket surgery.
 
2014-07-01 01:14:16 PM

Geoff Peterson: LOL this article could have been written by a farker.

This OS sucks.

Microsoft is backing away from this OS.

Apple and Google are integrating it.

OMG!! DESERTING!!

MS can't win, no matter what. They should ignore these people.


The author is actually a giant MS fanboy.  You misunderstand his trolling.  He is saying Apple and Google are "following" MS innovation.  He always tries to put a positive spin on anything MS does or (as in this case) tries to use it as a way to insult Apple or Google.
 
2014-07-01 01:15:12 PM

Tobin_Lam: Nix Nightbird: And on Windows 7, I can't just type the name of the program I want and have it pop up-- I have to manually search through the Start Menu, going through sub-menus. There is search, of course, but it doesn't work the same way and it's much slower in Windows 7. In Windows 8.1 I just click Start, then type the first few letters of the program I'm seeking, and there it is on the right side. No wait.

Your Windows 8 description sounds exactly like how it works in Windows 7 for me. It sounds like you screwed up some setting. When I start typing in the search, programs are popping up before I even get to the next letter. And the reason people are giving up on 8 is because the old way to do things worked for years across different versions. Things that worked in XP also worked the same way in Vista and 7. Then Windows 8 came along at shat all over it. The name "Windows" comes with it a certain large set of expectations and Windows 8 doesn't follow those.


Coincidentally, I noticed I didn't have Steam running a bit ago, so I took a screen from a Win7 desktop and also found that I still had the Steam setup buried away that I needed to delete...

img.fark.net

If you can't one-click, then type the first few letters of a program on Win7 to have it pop up, you've messed something up.
 
2014-07-01 01:15:36 PM

Nix Nightbird: gingerjet: But it was totally unnecessary.  I still have it running on one of my PCs at home and just yesterday I double clicked on a file and the damn thing opened some metro app in full screen.  And changing any settings takes twice as many mouseclicks as it did in 7 (which still took damn took long to find some idiotic setting in that horrible control panel).

All you needed to do was right-click on the file, choose "open with", "choose default program" and then pick a desktop program instead of a metro-style app. Done.


Which, incidentally, is exactly how it worked in Win7.  There are/were genuine issues with Win8, I don't think anyone is trying to claim it came out of the box perfect.  But as someone mentioned up thread, most of the Win8 hate is plain old FUD.

My CBS is my father in law, an older sys admin, absolutely hated Win7 when it came out.  Said Win XP was perfect and there was no need to upgrade.  Win7 made too many changes for the sake of change.  I was talking to him about Win8 a little while back and he launched into the exact same tirade as before, except now Win7 was the perfect OS and Win8 made a lot of useless changes for the sake of change.  People, especially IT people, tend to get stuck in the mindset that the way they are used to is the best way and any change is automatically bad.  I suspect that's where a lot of the Win8 hate comes from.
 
2014-07-01 01:16:03 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Another fake-complaint is about the 'charms' bar. You don't really need to use the charms bar for anything. I don't think I've ever used it on the desktop. Sure, it's there, but you can ignore it.


That doesn't sound fake to me. A pop-up toolbar that you don't need? Why is it there, then, and getting in the way?
 
2014-07-01 01:23:23 PM

MrSteve007: aelat: I also swore off W8 in RC when there was no way to "forget" a wireless network. I figured no product that contained that level of failure (even in beta) would be worth paying for when it was

finished./removing/rediscovering my wireless NIC in device manager is not a real solution.
You bailed on an OS due to a fairly obscure setting that wasn't in a "Release Candidate" version of software? Here's how it works today: Pull up the charms bar, click "settings," select network, right click on the wireless network you want to forget. Wipe hands on pants.


Even in RC, they had a workaround. Absolutely no one expects an RC to look like what the final product will be unless if they have no idea how RC versions work.
 
2014-07-01 01:23:51 PM

BullBearMS: Geoff Peterson: LOL this article could have been written by a farker.

Worse. It's written by Peter at Ars. :oP

The article his is based on puts it much better: Microsoft is basically "done" with Windows 8.x. Regardless of how usable or functional it is or isn't, it has become Microsoft's Vista 2.0 - something from which Microsoft needs to distance itself, perception-wise.

The good news is they finally have acknowledged that forcing a smart phone interface onto desktop PC's was incredibly stupid.

Oddly, they still aren't talking about making the presence or lack of Metro an optional choice controlled by the user. Instead they are going to make the choice for the user based on Microsoft's opinion of what interface works best on their hardware, which is still stupid.

Let the freaking user choose themselves. It's not rocket surgery.


There are things that are moving from tablets to the desktop but the other companies aren't being stupid about them. Take Apple's Launchpad, for example. It looks very similar to an iOS homescreen but you don't ever have to use it if you don't want to. It is entirely optional. There's no way to get away from Metro, though.
 
2014-07-01 01:24:29 PM

ForgotMyTowel: I suspect that's where a lot of the Win8 hate comes from.


- Forcing an inefficient touchscreen interface onto non-touchscreen users
- hiding import computer settings in two separate interfaces (touchscreen and non-touchscreen)
- Defaulting to apps when opening files from desktop mode

These are just what I can be bothered to type at work.

Yeah, I'm sure it's just a fear of change, and not a growing list of monumentally stupid decisions that Microsoft shoehorned into what is essentially a juiced Windows 7.
 
2014-07-01 01:24:35 PM

Tobin_Lam: TuteTibiImperes: Another fake-complaint is about the 'charms' bar. You don't really need to use the charms bar for anything. I don't think I've ever used it on the desktop. Sure, it's there, but you can ignore it.

That doesn't sound fake to me. A pop-up toolbar that you don't need? Why is it there, then, and getting in the way?


How does a pop-up toolbar you never use 'get in the way'?
 
2014-07-01 01:24:45 PM

ElLoco: found that I still had the Steam setup buried away that I needed to delete...


Have you ever used WinDirStat?

It's pretty damn awesome way to explore the contents of hard disks looking for stuff you don't need anymore.
 
2014-07-01 01:28:22 PM

TuteTibiImperes: From the article it sounds like they're just refining the ideas they've been working with, which is best way to go, as Metro in and of itself wasn't a bad idea, the implementation just left something to be desired.


Metro is shiat. Trying to manage Win8/Server 2012 is enough to make me want to smash Microsoft's collective genitals with a sledgehammer.
 
2014-07-01 01:29:09 PM

pkellmey: Absolutely no one expects an RC to look like what the final product will be unless if they have no idea how RC versions work.


Why call it a RELEASE CANDIDATE if you have no intention of releasing it? It should already be feature-complete and ready for release unless you find major bugs in it.
 
2014-07-01 01:29:12 PM

Tobin_Lam: BullBearMS: Geoff Peterson: LOL this article could have been written by a farker.

Worse. It's written by Peter at Ars. :oP

The article his is based on puts it much better: Microsoft is basically "done" with Windows 8.x. Regardless of how usable or functional it is or isn't, it has become Microsoft's Vista 2.0 - something from which Microsoft needs to distance itself, perception-wise.

The good news is they finally have acknowledged that forcing a smart phone interface onto desktop PC's was incredibly stupid.

Oddly, they still aren't talking about making the presence or lack of Metro an optional choice controlled by the user. Instead they are going to make the choice for the user based on Microsoft's opinion of what interface works best on their hardware, which is still stupid.

Let the freaking user choose themselves. It's not rocket surgery.

There are things that are moving from tablets to the desktop but the other companies aren't being stupid about them. Take Apple's Launchpad, for example. It looks very similar to an iOS homescreen but you don't ever have to use it if you don't want to. It is entirely optional. There's no way to get away from Metro, though.


It's something Microsoft always did themselves before they decided that forcing their users to do things they didn't want to do was a brilliant business strategy.

For instance, Windows XP initially shipped with the Windows 3.1 program manager still there as an option.
 
2014-07-01 01:30:19 PM
LesserEvil:

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I just love how the Win8 fetishists defend it, apparently oblivious to just how tiny a minority they are.

Win8/Metro was a horrible idea to force on desktop users; UX experts, including a lot who once worked for Microsoft's Research arm agreed that Metro was a horrible interface for the desktop. The only reason it was foisted upon the masses was to acclimatize their userbase to Windows mobile devices in a misguided, ill-thought out, and ill-fated attempt to compete with Apple and Android for phone and tablet dominance.


To be fair, even the Linux crowd was going that way around that time as well. Ubuntu (arguably the most popular distro) went to the Unity desktop, which might be great on a touch device but it sucks on a desktop.

/ posted from an LDXE desktop
 
2014-07-01 01:31:48 PM

notto: How does a pop-up toolbar you never use 'get in the way'?


When you accidentally trigger it. Duh.
 
2014-07-01 01:32:30 PM

Nix Nightbird: The main problem is that you people aren't getting touch-enabled monitors. Windows 8.1 is brilliant on touch screens once you get the hang of the gestures.


Touch screens on my desktop. Hey, why not shove pineapples up my ass while I'm at it? It would be just as useful. People's desks are not configured for touch screens and won't be for a long time.
 
2014-07-01 01:35:16 PM

un4gvn666: ForgotMyTowel: I suspect that's where a lot of the Win8 hate comes from.

- Forcing an inefficient touchscreen interface onto non-touchscreen users
- hiding import computer settings in two separate interfaces (touchscreen and non-touchscreen)
- Defaulting to apps when opening files from desktop mode

These are just what I can be bothered to type at work.

Yeah, I'm sure it's just a fear of change, and not a growing list of monumentally stupid decisions that Microsoft shoehorned into what is essentially a juiced Windows 7.


See?  FUD.  No one is being forced to use the touchscreen interface.  I use Win8 multiple hours a day, everyday.  I can tell you first hand that I do not have to use the touchscreen interface, ever.  I have also not come across a setting that I can't access through the traditional methods used in Win7, which I also use every single day.  I can't say there are none that are only accessible through Metro but I honestly can't think of any.  I've also only come across a few files that defaulted to the Metro version (pictures and pdfs come to mind) but that was quik and easy, one-time change ( a process that was identical to Win7).  Considering I usually have to change default associations on new computers anyway that's hardly putting me out.

So yeah...I'm having a hard time seeing the problem.
 
2014-07-01 01:35:28 PM
Even after Microsoft has admitted that Win8 was a miserable failure, its fanbois are still in here defending it to the death.  You guys are completely pathetic - why is Win8 so wrapped up in your egos that you can't just admit it sucks for most everybody?
 
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