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(KVAL Eugene)   Old and busted: DUI checkpoints. New hotness: Mandatory bloodletting during traffic stops   (kval.com) divider line 201
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2014-06-30 08:24:44 PM  
this isn't new.  They've been doing this for years.
 
2014-06-30 08:45:42 PM  
Their goal? Increased revenue.
 
2014-06-30 08:51:18 PM  
A blood draw will only occur when someone refuses to take a breathalyzer test. And the police are coordinating with local judges so they can obtain a warrant before the blood is drawn.


FTA: So what does the ACLU have to say?

Dave Fidanque, executive director, said the civil liberties group supports what police plan to do.

"Boing that one step further and getting a warrant for a blood draw if they have probable cause and approval of the judge, that's the right way to go about it in our view," he said. "This has long been a practice police have been permitted to do, but have rarely done in the past - quite frankly I think it's a good thing that police will be using more warrants."
 
2014-06-30 08:52:00 PM  
This is why the US is a horrible country. This mentality right here. This fallacy that police have to CATCH the bad guys. That's a fallacy.

Japan does it right. Police are on every corner, so no one risks being a bad guy. They're prophylactic cops.
 
2014-06-30 09:28:11 PM  

doglover: This is why the US is a horrible country. This mentality right here. This fallacy that police have to CATCH the bad guys. That's a fallacy.

Japan does it right. Police are on every corner, so no one risks being a bad guy. They're prophylactic cops.


They lie in your bedside drawer unused until they expire?
 
2014-06-30 09:36:34 PM  
Bunch of whiners going on like we were picking on Hobby Lobby or something. These are just people; move on.
 
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2014-06-30 09:38:39 PM  

deffuse: doglover: This is why the US is a horrible country. This mentality right here. This fallacy that police have to CATCH the bad guys. That's a fallacy.

Japan does it right. Police are on every corner, so no one risks being a bad guy. They're prophylactic cops.

They lie in your bedside drawer unused until they expire?


Yes, but if you do the slightest thing wrong they pop out of your drawers and take you down.
 
2014-06-30 09:40:15 PM  

deffuse: doglover: This is why the US is a horrible country. This mentality right here. This fallacy that police have to CATCH the bad guys. That's a fallacy.

Japan does it right. Police are on every corner, so no one risks being a bad guy. They're prophylactic cops.

They lie in your bedside drawer unused until they expire?


Basically. They can't even catch a cold without messing it up, but what they lack in Doyner Cornering they make up for in volume and presence. They're everywhere you want them to be. Response time, on foot, is faster than US times by cruiser FOR THE SAME DISTANCE I'd bet, but I wouldn't know because they were already there.

And, they don't shoot everyone's dog and child.
 
2014-06-30 09:40:51 PM  

BravadoGT: this isn't new.  They've been doing this for years.


Small, local government, amirite?
 
2014-06-30 09:57:58 PM  
I always thought that this was sort of the law. Actually I thought it was if you refuse a breath and blood test, it is an automatic conviction for DUI. At least that was the way it was in one of the states I have lived in.
 
2014-06-30 11:05:57 PM  
Boing that one step further

Boing?
 
2014-06-30 11:06:32 PM  
/dear lord why does a GIS for "boing" turn up so much anime porn?
 
2014-06-30 11:07:07 PM  
I'm not sure I like where this is boing.
 
2014-06-30 11:07:25 PM  
What about semen?
 
2014-06-30 11:07:40 PM  
Does anyone object to this who does not also plan to drive drunk sometime soon?
 
2014-06-30 11:08:33 PM  
I like how if you refuse the unreliable breathalizer, you have your license suspended whether you are drunk or not.  I know that's not new, but that's farked up.
 
2014-06-30 11:10:22 PM  

mr_a: I always thought that this was sort of the law. Actually I thought it was if you refuse a breath and blood test, it is an automatic conviction for DUI. At least that was the way it was in one of the states I have lived in.


Yes, this does not make any sense. Refuse a breathalyzer? No problem. Enjoy your DUI and have a nice day.
 
2014-06-30 11:10:29 PM  
Is the arresting officer the one drawing blood?  Not sure if I would trust some of those thugs doing that.
 
2014-06-30 11:10:53 PM  

doglover: This is why the US is a horrible country. This mentality right here. This fallacy that police have to CATCH the bad guys. That's a fallacy.

Japan does it right. Police are on every corner, so no one risks being a bad guy. They're prophylactic cops.


From what I've heard, that's how it's going to be in Eugene (college town, lots of stupid drunk college kids).

This is a saturation patrol rather than a checkpoint. They're going to have shiatloads of cops in a small geographic area all looking for the slightest reason to have probable cause to pull you over, then scrutinizing you for any sign of alcohol use.
 
2014-06-30 11:11:08 PM  
Why not just force the person to breathe into the breathalyzer?
 
2014-06-30 11:11:55 PM  
I'm challenging basic assumptions.
So why the the judges working with the cops? Aren't the two supposed to be different entities. First police gather evidence that a crime has been committed than they go to the judge and say "here is what we have... listing 1,2,3" and the judge...judges the evidence presented and give a warrant for further intrusive evidence gathering if he/she thinks that the evidence that the police gave him is good. This seems to short circuit that.
 
2014-06-30 11:14:07 PM  
Oh no! Someones forcing personal accountability !! How dare they attempt to hold me accountable for things I did!

/Am I doing it right?
 
2014-06-30 11:14:07 PM  
Jay Martin has this to say in the comments to the article:

"Great job Lane county, you've reached a new low in my book!  OSP Lane county, Springfield PD, Eugene PD, you've lost my respect.  First agenda 21 and your hippie  (no offence to hippies) totalitarian little rules, selling out to the UN, and now you take a date that represents freedom, and turn it into forcing people to give up their blood?  Nazis, every one of you who support this!  I am so disgusted, as a patriot, tax-paying AMERICAN.  I'm disgusted, for the 11 of my uncles who went to war and 3 made it back for this country in the name of freedom, for the two generations before me who spent their lives policing the streets to societies benefit, as a free man 4 generations away from cotton picking slaves in the south, I am disgusted!  Should I ever find myself in Lane county, I do not drink, but guaranteed I will not be taking a breathalyzer (DUI checkpoints aren't even constitutional and violate our Consitutional right to freedom of movement) regardless, and if you force me to give blood, I will remember names and badge numbers of the so-called "officers" who force me to give my blood..  My bloodline has shed enough blood for this county, and I'll shed mine when I damn well feel like it, NOT WHEN GOVERNMENT TELLS ME TO!  And I'll stop there.  I'll stand up for all these weak saplings who stand idly by and do nothing at all.  Sick!"

Jay sounds like a badass and Lane County better rethink this whole thing.  Or use their tasers on the farker.  Whatever.
 
2014-06-30 11:15:58 PM  

Anayalator: Does anyone object to this who does not also plan to drive drunk sometime soon?


I do.
I do not drink. Less than one beer within the last year, couldnt finish it. Never drink & drive, no plans to do so in the future.

I object because they are going after everyone. They are not targeting drunks. They are targeting every single person who drives. Looking for any infraction they can find to drum up money.

I will refuse a breathalyzer. I will also refuse to have needles stuck in me. Does that make me a criminal?
 
2014-06-30 11:16:06 PM  
Does the judge have a pen or a stamp?
 
2014-06-30 11:17:51 PM  
If you want to take my blood in a traffic stop, we're going to jail.
 
2014-06-30 11:18:26 PM  

deffuse: doglover: This is why the US is a horrible country. This mentality right here. This fallacy that police have to CATCH the bad guys. That's a fallacy.

Japan does it right. Police are on every corner, so no one risks being a bad guy. They're prophylactic cops.

They lie in your bedside drawer unused until they expire?


Those crazy, kinky Japanese.
 
2014-06-30 11:18:27 PM  

420Gabriel: Anayalator: Does anyone object to this who does not also plan to drive drunk sometime soon?

I do.
I do not drink. Less than one beer within the last year, couldnt finish it. Never drink & drive, no plans to do so in the future.

I object because they are going after everyone. They are not targeting drunks. They are targeting every single person who drives. Looking for any infraction they can find to drum up money.

I will refuse a breathalyzer. I will also refuse to have needles stuck in me. Does that make me a criminal?


Yes, or stay out of Lane County.
 
2014-06-30 11:20:02 PM  
Ok first of all you're an idiot if you get stopped at a checkpoint. They advertise on the news exactly where and when they occur. You know how many drunks they find at checkpoints? Slightly more than zero. They are nothing but an excuse to poke around your car and look for burned out light bulbs or ashes in your ash tray.

However I do support a blood test over a breathalyzer. The accuracy of breathalyzers are questionable.
 
2014-06-30 11:20:51 PM  

the_coach5040: Is the arresting officer the one drawing blood?  Not sure if I would trust some of those thugs doing that.


I take it you're not black enough to have experience with cops involuntarily drawing blood from your face with their fist
 
2014-06-30 11:21:56 PM  

doglover: This is why the US is a horrible country. This mentality right here. This fallacy that police have to CATCH the bad guys. That's a fallacy.

Japan does it right. Police are on every corner, so no one risks being a bad guy. They're prophylactic cops.


Ditto with Israel.  Profile the young Arab-looking guy, not the 80 year old war veteran.
 
2014-06-30 11:22:35 PM  
So we're presumed guilty until we can prove otherwise?

dafuq up with that?

/Why not just ticket people who are driving badly?
 
2014-06-30 11:22:48 PM  
Oregon Open Carry should go for a stroll along that road.
 
2014-06-30 11:22:54 PM  
CSB:

Fun fact. In Oregon they have been handing out DWI's to people who have had clear breathalyzer tests, deeming them "impaired" for non-chemical reasons. I have known one personally, but at the time I thought he was trying to cover his ass by lying about it. Then a reapectable friend of mine told me it happened to her son-in-law. I said it sounded like grounds for a lawsuit right as another fellow stopped when I was talking and told me it happened to him two years ago. Long and short, I do not currently trust the Oregon police to handle things like this, but I am still glad they are making a concerted effort to deal with actual drink driving.
 
2014-06-30 11:23:05 PM  

mrlewish: I'm challenging basic assumptions.
So why the the judges working with the cops? Aren't the two supposed to be different entities. First police gather evidence that a crime has been committed than they go to the judge and say "here is what we have... listing 1,2,3" and the judge...judges the evidence presented and give a warrant for further intrusive evidence gathering if he/she thinks that the evidence that the police gave him is good. This seems to short circuit that.


"Working with" = accommodating.

They're staying available and ready to issue warrants, knowing that the likelihood of warrant requests will be high during that time period. They're just working late hours that day so that warrants can be issued quickly enough to get the evidence.
 
2014-06-30 11:23:39 PM  
Meanwhile, here in Wisconsin DUI checkpoints are banned by state law.
 
2014-06-30 11:23:48 PM  

doglover: deffuse: doglover: This is why the US is a horrible country. This mentality right here. This fallacy that police have to CATCH the bad guys. That's a fallacy.

Japan does it right. Police are on every corner, so no one risks being a bad guy. They're prophylactic cops.

They lie in your bedside drawer unused until they expire?

Basically. They can't even catch a cold without messing it up, but what they lack in Doyner Cornering they make up for in volume and presence. They're everywhere you want them to be. Response time, on foot, is faster than US times by cruiser FOR THE SAME DISTANCE I'd bet, but I wouldn't know because they were already there.

And, they don't shoot everyone's dog and child.


And they are very helpful to semi-lost gaijin.

/I knew the direction I needed to go but not the distance
//don't drink and drink. Find a pub within walking distance
///you could use the exercise
 
2014-06-30 11:24:27 PM  
This has been the rule in Texas for years, but I think it's catching some heat now.  Some investigators asked for records on warrants granted/received, and when they saw it was 100% they started covering it up,
 
2014-06-30 11:25:37 PM  

420Gabriel: Anayalator: Does anyone object to this who does not also plan to drive drunk sometime soon?

I do.
I do not drink. Less than one beer within the last year, couldnt finish it. Never drink & drive, no plans to do so in the future.

I object because they are going after everyone. They are not targeting drunks. They are targeting every single person who drives. Looking for any infraction they can find to drum up money.

I will refuse a breathalyzer. I will also refuse to have needles stuck in me. Does that make me a criminal?


The police still need probable cause otherwise the warrant will not be issued.

I swear to christ, the people who cry the most about the constitution and their rights know the least about the constitution and their rights.
 
2014-06-30 11:26:14 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: mrlewish: I'm challenging basic assumptions.
So why the the judges working with the cops? Aren't the two supposed to be different entities. First police gather evidence that a crime has been committed than they go to the judge and say "here is what we have... listing 1,2,3" and the judge...judges the evidence presented and give a warrant for further intrusive evidence gathering if he/she thinks that the evidence that the police gave him is good. This seems to short circuit that.

"Working with" = accommodating.

They're staying available and ready to issue warrants, knowing that the likelihood of warrant requests will be high during that time period. They're just working late hours that day so that warrants can be issued quickly enough to get the evidence.


In real life they rubber stamp them all without reading though
 
2014-06-30 11:26:48 PM  

doglover: Basically. They can't even catch a cold without messing it up, but what they lack in Doyner Cornering they make up for in volume and presence. They're everywhere you want them to be. Response time, on foot, is faster than US times by cruiser FOR THE SAME DISTANCE I'd bet, but I wouldn't know because they were already there.

And, they don't shoot everyone's dog and child.


I tried to look up Doyner Cornering, but apparently you're the only person to have ever said that on the whole internet.

What does that mean?
 
2014-06-30 11:31:03 PM  
Driving is a priviledge, not a right. If you have to breathe into a device or get stuck with a needle to keep that priviledge (not having that priviledge is going to suck worse than getting stuck or forced to blow into the meter), then so be it.

Your 5 minutes of defiance to the jack-booted thugs to stand up to them is not going to matter compared to one year of not being able to drive.
 
2014-06-30 11:31:18 PM  
Just as long as they dont ask the drivers if they're in the U.S. illegally, its ok, amirite libs?
 
2014-06-30 11:32:11 PM  

JonathanChance: Meanwhile, here in Wisconsin DUI checkpoints are banned by state law.


They're also illegal in Oregon.
 
2014-06-30 11:33:30 PM  

BravadoGT: this isn't new.  They've been doing this for years.


This. I don't know about the "at scene" part, but otherwise: yeah.
 
2014-06-30 11:33:43 PM  

deffuse: doglover: This is why the US is a horrible country. This mentality right here. This fallacy that police have to CATCH the bad guys. That's a fallacy.

Japan does it right. Police are on every corner, so no one risks being a bad guy. They're prophylactic cops.

They lie in your bedside drawer unused until they expire?


And they leave an unsightly ring on the surface of your wallet.
 
2014-06-30 11:34:05 PM  

Phineas: Just as long as they dont ask the drivers if they're in the U.S. illegally, its ok, amirite libs?


You're an idiot is what you are.
 
2014-06-30 11:34:15 PM  
Doesn't this just make the judge an agent of the police?
 
2014-06-30 11:35:35 PM  

gfid: doglover: Basically. They can't even catch a cold without messing it up, but what they lack in Doyner Cornering they make up for in volume and presence. They're everywhere you want them to be. Response time, on foot, is faster than US times by cruiser FOR THE SAME DISTANCE I'd bet, but I wouldn't know because they were already there.

And, they don't shoot everyone's dog and child.

I tried to look up Doyner Cornering, but apparently you're the only person to have ever said that on the whole internet.

What does that mean?


Burners.

Go with the burners.
 
2014-06-30 11:36:33 PM  

Phineas: Just as long as they dont ask the drivers if they're in the U.S. illegally, its ok, amirite libs?


Weak-ass troll is weak.
 
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