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2014-06-30 03:11:36 PM
why is this in the politics thread?  Or are you saving the Israeli response for the news thread?
 
2014-06-30 03:17:48 PM
What's ridiculous is that the asshats that did this and the people who support them are going to biatch and moan when the inevitable response comes.
 
2014-06-30 03:27:08 PM

Lsherm: What's ridiculous is that the asshats that did this and the people who support them are going to biatch and moan when the inevitable response comes.


I'm sure it's just a small, minority sliver of people who support these monsters...or not!

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2014-06-30 03:28:49 PM

Lsherm: What's ridiculous is that the asshats that did this and the people who support them are going to biatch and moan when the inevitable response comes.


They will, and that will lead more of them to take up arms against Israel leading to more suicide attacks and rockets, which in turn will lead to another Israeli response.  I don't know what the solution is, but it's not going to stop.  Well, I know ONE solution, one side or the other could GTFO and live elsewhere, but I don't think either side is up for that.
 
2014-06-30 03:34:51 PM

BravadoGT: Lsherm: What's ridiculous is that the asshats that did this and the people who support them are going to biatch and moan when the inevitable response comes.

I'm sure it's just a small, minority sliver of people who support these monsters...or not!

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Oh that's not right. That was pictures from the World Cup, right? That can't be....


I was saving this for the next thread like this, 'cause we all knew it was coming.

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2014-06-30 03:35:18 PM

BravadoGT: Lsherm: What's ridiculous is that the asshats that did this and the people who support them are going to biatch and moan when the inevitable response comes.

I'm sure it's just a small, minority sliver of people who support these monsters...or not!


I don't get it. 3?
 
2014-06-30 03:35:26 PM
BravadoGT

What does the three fingers stand for? Is it a "w" like for "west side"?
 
2014-06-30 03:36:49 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: BravadoGT: Lsherm: What's ridiculous is that the asshats that did this and the people who support them are going to biatch and moan when the inevitable response comes.

I'm sure it's just a small, minority sliver of people who support these monsters...or not!

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Oh that's not right. That was pictures from the World Cup, right? That can't be....


I was saving this for the next thread like this, 'cause we all knew it was coming.


Goddamnit. wtf is significant about 3?
 
2014-06-30 03:42:46 PM

dr_blasto: Goddamnit. wtf is significant about 3?


vernonFL: BravadoGT

What does the three fingers stand for? Is it a "w" like for "west side"?


dr_blasto: I don't get it. 3?


how many kids were kidnapped and then killed?

I give you one guess
 
2014-06-30 03:42:47 PM
 
2014-06-30 03:43:18 PM

dr_blasto: The Stealth Hippopotamus: BravadoGT: Lsherm: What's ridiculous is that the asshats that did this and the people who support them are going to biatch and moan when the inevitable response comes.

I'm sure it's just a small, minority sliver of people who support these monsters...or not!

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[www.jewsnews.co.il image 670x586]

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Oh that's not right. That was pictures from the World Cup, right? That can't be....


I was saving this for the next thread like this, 'cause we all knew it was coming.

Goddamnit. wtf is significant about 3?


Seriously?  THREE kidnapped teenagers
 
2014-06-30 03:47:05 PM

dr_blasto: Goddamnit. wtf is significant about 3?

Israeli searchers on Monday found three bodies believed to be those of the missing Israeli teenagers

 
2014-06-30 03:50:44 PM
"Just one problem with that. There are scores of photos of people making this three-fingered sign because it was the way folks supported singer Mohammed Assaf's bid to become Arab Idol last year. Mohammed AlQadi put up three fingers for Assaf."

Some are supporting the kidnapping, and others are older photos supporting one person on Arab Idol.
 
2014-06-30 03:51:26 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: dr_blasto: Goddamnit. wtf is significant about 3?

vernonFL: BravadoGT

What does the three fingers stand for? Is it a "w" like for "west side"?

dr_blasto: I don't get it. 3?

how many kids were kidnapped and then killed?

I give you one guess


I thought it was five kids and completely missed it.
 
2014-06-30 04:00:04 PM
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Arab Idol fans supporting Mohammed Assaf.
 
2014-06-30 04:02:10 PM

Blues_X: "Just one problem with that. There are scores of photos of people making this three-fingered sign because it was the way folks supported singer Mohammed Assaf's bid to become Arab Idol last year. Mohammed AlQadi put up three fingers for Assaf."

Some are supporting the kidnapping, and others are older photos supporting one person on Arab Idol.


Lol. Even they're afflicted with stupid reality tv.
 
2014-06-30 04:08:42 PM
Okay, I am not blaming the victims or excusing this in any way- this is cold blooded murder and its disgusting and celebrating it is disgusting.

But why the fark were 3 Israeli teenagers hitchhiking in the West Bank?

Israel should finish building their wall- and then stay on their side of it.
 
2014-06-30 04:26:08 PM

vernonFL: Okay, I am not blaming the victims or excusing this in any way- this is cold blooded murder and its disgusting and celebrating it is disgusting.

But why the fark were 3 Israeli teenagers hitchhiking in the West Bank?

Israel should finish building their wall- and then stay on their side of it.


Part of the West Bank is under Israeli control.  They were kidnapped from that part of it.
 
2014-06-30 04:28:09 PM
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2014-06-30 04:28:31 PM
Not think, found. Shot (most likely while they were still in the kidnappers' car) and buried in a shallow grave. They think the kidnappers planned from the get-go to kill the kids and negotiate a prisoner release in exchange for their bodies, but that hasn't been confirmed.
 
2014-06-30 04:29:30 PM
Do you smell a fuse burning?
 
2014-06-30 04:30:15 PM
"Israel should finish building their wall- and then stay on their side of it."
Like the Warsaw Ghetto?

 
2014-06-30 04:33:29 PM
Lsherm:
Part of the West Bank is under Israeli control.  They were kidnapped from that part of it.

Lots of illegal Jewish settlements there.  I watched VICE visit a few of them and talk to people, they are hardcore, they think that ALL of the land belongs to the Jewish people.  I won't for one minute condone kidnapping and murdering teenagers, but it is easy to see that the some Jews are part of the problem is well.  What's up guys?  I'm going to settle IN YOUR FACE.  Both sides are bad, so... vote Republican, I guess?
 
2014-06-30 04:34:24 PM
And there have been at least 30, maybe 100 rocket attacks on civilian targets in Israel from Gaza since the kidnapping.
When Israel provides those boys with an honor guard of terrorist assholes the Palestinians will shriek and moan about how unfair it all is.
 
2014-06-30 04:34:34 PM
Ismail Haniyeh's Hama(s)s should prepare for an Israeli pounding...
 
2014-06-30 04:40:32 PM

nekom: Lsherm:
Part of the West Bank is under Israeli control.  They were kidnapped from that part of it.

Lots of illegal Jewish settlements there.  I watched VICE visit a few of them and talk to people, they are hardcore, they think that ALL of the land belongs to the Jewish people.  I won't for one minute condone kidnapping and murdering teenagers, but it is easy to see that the some Jews are part of the problem is well.  What's up guys?  I'm going to settle IN YOUR FACE.  Both sides are bad, so... vote Republican, I guess?


Illegal according to whom?

Lots of conquered territories controlled by or part of the US. We aren't surrendering territory gained through conflict, why should Israel?

/don't confuse that statement as supporting the Israeli government
 
2014-06-30 04:44:57 PM

Another Government Employee: Do you smell a fuse burning?


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2014-06-30 04:46:29 PM

madgonad: Illegal according to whom?Lots of conquered territories controlled by or part of the US. We aren't surrendering territory gained through conflict, why should Israel?/don't confuse that statement as supporting the Israeli government



Puerto Rico is an official territory under the sovereignty of the US and is afforded rights under the US constitution. Iraq or Germany was an occupied territory and was afforded sovereignty under their own government.

So explain to me how the occupied lands of the West Bank follow either of those examples?
 
2014-06-30 04:50:01 PM

anuran: And there have been at least 30, maybe 100 rocket attacks on civilian targets in Israel from Gaza since the kidnapping.
When Israel provides those boys with an honor guard of terrorist assholes the Palestinians will shriek and moan about how unfair it all is.


Don't forget at least five Palestinans have been killed, and hundreds arrested since this happened.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/26/hunt-missing-israeli-bo ys -recriminations

I condemn both the murder of these boys, and the collective punishment of people who were not involved in this.
 
2014-06-30 04:51:16 PM
I really cannot fathom what is going on in the heads of the terrorist types that would do this sort of thing.

"Here's the plan.  We kidnap these teenage boys.  Then we kill them.  Then we leave their bodies for the Israelis to find.  Their immediate response will be that they give in to our demands, give us back the land they've been living on for 50 years.  And we will finally have peace."

Ok.  Sounds like a good plan.  Until the reality come out that they have done nothing but piss off a whole bunch of people that are WAY better equipt with military personal.  For every one of those 3 dudes, a few hundred people will likely die.

This is the same thing with the suicide attackers.  Do they really think that their sacrifice is going to simply scare their enemies into submission?
Because no.  Historically that has NEVER happened.  And it never will.
 
2014-06-30 04:51:47 PM

cc_rider: anuran: And there have been at least 30, maybe 100 rocket attacks on civilian targets in Israel from Gaza since the kidnapping.
When Israel provides those boys with an honor guard of terrorist assholes the Palestinians will shriek and moan about how unfair it all is.

Don't forget at least five Palestinans have been killed, and hundreds arrested since this happened.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/26/hunt-missing-israeli-bo ys -recriminations

I condemn both the murder of these boys, and the collective punishment of people who were not involved in this.


pretty sure one of those 5 includes a man who had a heart attack while arguing with some soldiers, the fact that is counted as an Israeli killing shows some bias I would say
 
2014-06-30 04:52:20 PM

cc_rider: anuran: And there have been at least 30, maybe 100 rocket attacks on civilian targets in Israel from Gaza since the kidnapping.
When Israel provides those boys with an honor guard of terrorist assholes the Palestinians will shriek and moan about how unfair it all is.

Don't forget at least five Palestinans have been killed, and hundreds arrested since this happened.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/26/hunt-missing-israeli-bo ys -recriminations

I condemn both the murder of these boys, and the collective punishment of people who were not involved in this.


I give you a task. Go to any country and throw stones at soliders then come back and tell me how you got in.
 
2014-06-30 04:54:52 PM
madgonad:
Illegal according to whom?

Lots of conquered territories controlled by or part of the US. We aren't surrendering territory gained through conflict, why should Israel?

/don't confuse that statement as supporting the Israeli government


Under the peace accord that was SUPPOSED to lead to a 2 state solution.  There seem to be many on both sides that want ALL of the land and the other side to disappear.  I doubt the Palestinians are going to do that, and it's clear that Israel is here to stay, so... endless violence I guess.
 
2014-06-30 04:55:52 PM

vernonFL: But why the fark were 3 Israeli teenagers hitchhiking in the West Bank?


Because it's the only way to get around some areas - underserved (or not served at all) by the bus lines, cabs can be few and far between (and expensive), and for-hire transport (sherut) is even less available and more expensive.

Tremping is common, accepted practice - soldiers aren't allowed to anymore, but I'm told that as recently as 15 years ago (before Intifada II: We Bomb the Fark Out of You), the IDF would cover certain losses if you were giving a ride to a soldier.

Chalk it up to a cultural difference - in America, we've had 50 years of "DON'T HITCHHIKE; and also don't pick up hitchhikers, but especially DON'T HITCHHIKE" drilled into us. There, it's "How the fark else are we gonna get a ride?"

// don't have the numbers, but I've heard tremp-related crime is fairly low
// wonder if Uber/Lyft will take off in Israel in response
// I certainly hope Kitestring does, at least
 
2014-06-30 04:56:32 PM
Build a 1000m wall around the whole freaking place, throw food/weapons/water/ammo over said wall at random places, at random times.  Video the inside with drones.  Pay per view.
 
2014-06-30 04:56:49 PM

durbnpoisn: This is the same thing with the suicide attackers. Do they really think that their sacrifice is going to simply scare their enemies into submission?Because no. Historically that has NEVER happened. And it never will.


Some Iraqis right now would argue your last point.
 
2014-06-30 04:59:17 PM
Plan #2;  The Palestinians go all Gandhi on Israel and remove any pretense of moral high ground.  I don't think the Pals have the balls.  Easier to blow yourself up.
 
2014-06-30 04:59:32 PM

durbnpoisn: I really cannot fathom what is going on in the heads of the terrorist types that would do this sort of thing.

"Here's the plan.  We kidnap these teenage boys.  Then we kill them.  Then we leave their bodies for the Israelis to find.  Their immediate response will be that they give in to our demands, give us back the land they've been living on for 50 years.  And we will finally have peace."

Ok.  Sounds like a good plan.  Until the reality come out that they have done nothing but piss off a whole bunch of people that are WAY better equipt with military personal.  For every one of those 3 dudes, a few hundred people will likely die.

This is the same thing with the suicide attackers.  Do they really think that their sacrifice is going to simply scare their enemies into submission?
Because no.  Historically that has NEVER happened.  And it never will.


Most modern terrorism isn't about getting people to leave, it's about putting a wedge between your side and their so the moderates in the middle are marginalized into the fight. To an extremist of any sort, the only thing worse than your enemy is someone on your side who believes they can peacefully co-exist with your enemy. By making it into us-vs-them you drive the moderates to your side.
 
2014-06-30 04:59:53 PM
One of the teens killed was a US citizen,  Naftali Fraenkel, 16.
 
2014-06-30 05:01:38 PM

2wolves: Plan #2;  The Palestinians go all Gandhi on Israel and remove any pretense of moral high ground.  I don't think the Pals have the balls.  Easier to blow yourself up.


The thing is almost certainly the only approach that will ever gain them anything. Too bad anyone that proposes it is promptly killed :(
 
2014-06-30 05:01:52 PM

BravadoGT: Lsherm: What's ridiculous is that the asshats that did this and the people who support them are going to biatch and moan when the inevitable response comes.

I'm sure it's just a small, minority sliver of people who support these monsters...or not!

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Is that a "three" for the three missing boys?  If so, those are some sick bastards.

Like that cackling old crone on the news rejoicing as the towers fell.
 
2014-06-30 05:08:42 PM

All2morrowsparTs: madgonad: Illegal according to whom?Lots of conquered territories controlled by or part of the US. We aren't surrendering territory gained through conflict, why should Israel?/don't confuse that statement as supporting the Israeli government


Puerto Rico is an official territory under the sovereignty of the US and is afforded rights under the US constitution. Iraq or Germany was an occupied territory and was afforded sovereignty under their own government.

So explain to me how the occupied lands of the West Bank follow either of those examples?


Notice the clear lack of representation for PR and all of the Pacific holdings. The key difference is that Israel restricts a lot of movement.
 
2014-06-30 05:21:49 PM
Just a few points.

1. Hitchhiking has been off limits to Israeli soldiers for the past decade.
2. Nine Palestinians have been killed since the kidnapping, not five.
3. There are multiple non-violent Palestinian activism movements. They receive no exposure in US press.
4. A crowd of Israelis has already tried to lynch a Palestinian janitor.
 
2014-06-30 05:26:27 PM

nekom: I won't for one minute condone kidnapping and murdering teenagers, but it is easy to see that the some Jews are part of the problem is well. What's up guys? I'm going to settle IN YOUR FACE. Both sides are bad, so... vote Republican, I guess?


At this point, both sides have done a lot of appalling shiat to the other. And both sides have both exploited and been exploited by their "allies" (i.e. the Arab states, the US, etc.). There are no "good guys" and no easy answers.

Maybe the Israelis and Palestinians will both find charismatic, courageous, ecumenical, hard-ass leaders who are relentlessly committed to ending violence. And maybe Zachary Quinto will turn straight and show up naked in my bedroom tonight. sigh.
 
2014-06-30 05:26:28 PM
This thread sucks

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That's a little better
 
2014-06-30 05:29:15 PM

bigbadideasinaction: Most modern terrorism isn't about getting people to leave, it's about putting a wedge between your side and their so the moderates in the middle are marginalized into the fight. To an extremist of any sort, the only thing worse than your enemy is someone on your side who believes they can peacefully co-exist with your enemy. By making it into us-vs-them you drive the moderates to your side.


This is an astute observation.
 
2014-06-30 05:31:29 PM
I don't know why they would do that. The peace loving of people of Palestine would do them no harm. Unfortunately, those 5 people aren't looking to move around in Israel, it's the other 2 million blowing up busses that cause problems.
 
2014-06-30 05:32:05 PM

madgonad: All2morrowsparTs: madgonad: Illegal according to whom?Lots of conquered territories controlled by or part of the US. We aren't surrendering territory gained through conflict, why should Israel?/don't confuse that statement as supporting the Israeli government


Puerto Rico is an official territory under the sovereignty of the US and is afforded rights under the US constitution. Iraq or Germany was an occupied territory and was afforded sovereignty under their own government.

So explain to me how the occupied lands of the West Bank follow either of those examples?

Notice the clear lack of representation for PR and all of the Pacific holdings. The key difference is that Israel restricts a lot of movement.


That's the thing - you want to argue that the land was gained through war? fine. Keep it. The people living there are now your citizens. Let them vote. The current situation is apartheid.
 
2014-06-30 05:35:20 PM

2wolves: Plan #2;  The Palestinians go all Gandhi on Israel and remove any pretense of moral high ground.  I don't think the Pals have the balls.  Easier to blow yourself up.


99.9% of Palestinians could start a non-violence protest movement, but if the other 0.1% did anything even remotely violent, Israel would use it as an excuse to collectively punish.  A lot of Palestinians know that time is on their side, anyways.  Their population is growing faster than the Israelis, while at the same time, international support for Israel is slowly diminishing.
 
2014-06-30 05:36:16 PM
We'll kill three of them and they'll kill 30 of us.  They think that's winning.

Suprageniuses
 
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