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2014-06-30 01:32:14 PM  
I'm glad they didn't capitulate. If they didn't kill the dog, they open themselves up to every creative decision being decided by a committee of suits and sponsors.

Plus, Willimond nailed it that  "If you weren't going to be able to survive this dog strangling then this show probably isn't for you."

I applaud them writing to their target audience and not trying for the lowest common denominator. That's where cable shows almost always rise above network television - the risk and edginess. A good example is today's story that NBC won't even let a character smoke cigarettes.
 
2014-06-30 01:35:03 PM  
 "That's as bad as ten 9/11′s in a row." is the better line. It has a little numerological wordplay that just works better. fark Michael Eisner. His involvement will no doubt be a major, if not the primary, reason BoJack Horseman will suck balls.
 
2014-06-30 01:37:49 PM  
So that's why the Leftover's did it last night.

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Is House of Cards any good? (I thought it was about poker or something)
 
2014-06-30 01:38:12 PM  
It establishes, in the first minute of the show, that the main character talking to you through the fourth wall is basically a psychopath.

It's arguably one of the most compelling first minutes of a TV show EVER.
 
2014-06-30 01:45:12 PM  
Yeah, it completely establishes the tone of the character and the whole show right at the opening. That scene doesn't happen,the killing of Zoe doesn't happen.
 
2014-06-30 01:58:15 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: So that's why the Leftover's did it last night.

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Is House of Cards any good? (I thought it was about poker or something)


For me (and most of my friends), it's pretty damn good. If you don't have netflix, it's worth getting it just for a month to binge-watch the entire show. Machiaellian dirty-tricking, treacherous politicians backstabbing each other for even the most petty gain.
 
2014-06-30 02:32:04 PM  
...in a discussion at the Aspen Ideas Festival.

I don't know what the hell this is, but it sounds like a gathering of incredibly awful people.
 
2014-06-30 02:59:12 PM  
Frank was a scary, scary dude ... until he started killing people. Then he joined the league of ordinary criminals.

The dog thing didn't bother me. The fact that, no matter what happens, he gets his way doesn't bother me. It is a house of cards, after all. But the murder? Meh ...

/great show
 
2014-06-30 04:35:24 PM  
They lost me when they broke the 4th wall within the first 30 seconds.  Then I decided to give it another chance, and it was pretty good until he became a (rather cartoonish) serial killer.
 
2014-06-30 04:35:39 PM  
That's what I said when I met that girl in a bar in Thailand.
 
2014-06-30 04:36:27 PM  
"Hold my beard and watch this."  -Kevin Spacey
 
2014-06-30 04:38:09 PM  

HawgWild: Frank was a scary, scary dude ... until he started killing people. Then he joined the league of ordinary criminals.


I'm only three episodes into Season 2 but that did seem to signal Underwood crossing the line between ordinary villainy and cartoonish-supervillainy.
 
2014-06-30 04:38:13 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: So that's why the Leftover's did it last night.

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Is House of Cards any good? (I thought it was about poker or something)


If you can manage to suspend your disbelief when previously competent characters get a case of the stupids just in time for the main character to achieve maximum benefit, it's enjoyable.
 
2014-06-30 04:42:59 PM  

The Slush: They lost me when they broke the 4th wall within the first 30 seconds.


The original show was basically a modern retelling of MacBeth/Richard III and used frequent asides, like most of Shakespeare's work. The new version incorporates a number of aspects of the BBC production, some fairly clumsily.
 
2014-06-30 04:43:23 PM  
This is what s2e1 reminded me of, which is not a good thing:

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2014-06-30 04:48:23 PM  
I think the US House of Cards is a stylish show with beautiful cinematography, great actors, a fantastic score, neat ideas and a fun premise.

Unfortunately (and I say this having binge-watched both seasons as soon as they were available), it's only so-so as a serial drama. It's the sort of show that desperately wants to show you how smart it is, and yet where everything is so simplified and dumbed down that even attempts at subtext are incredibly obvious.

The choking the dog scene is a great example. On its own, it's a wonderful scene for telling us something about the character - blunt, direct, to the point, and dangerous. But everything in the show works that way. All of the characters are caricatures. It feels like a pale imitation of a Shakespearean play.

Compare Frank Underwood to a guy like Al Swearengen from Deadwood or Avon Barksdale and Stringer Bell from The Wire. Those villains have subtext; they have flaws and human emotions that cause them to act in erratic ways that make them relatable.

Frank's a sociopath surrounded by nitwits. The twists in the show almost always revolve around the viewer thinking that someone is going to be a human being for once and instead watching them someone do something cold and calculating to further their agenda and move the plot forward. As a result, the only thing that shocked me about the show by the end of the second season was how silly the timeline moved Frank into a position of ultimate power.
 
2014-06-30 04:51:27 PM  
Big deal.  TFD covered sick stuff done to dogs a long time ago
 
2014-06-30 05:01:38 PM  
The dog had been hit by a car.  Frank is a farmboy who mercy killed an animal to end its suffering.
 
2014-06-30 05:06:36 PM  
You'd think producers by now would get the idea that if they want to tell their own stories, they might as well be the director too, like Michael Moore.

Oh wait...
 
2014-06-30 05:23:05 PM  

secularsage: I think the US House of Cards is a stylish show with beautiful cinematography, great actors, a fantastic score, neat ideas and a fun premise...

Frank's a sociopath surrounded by nitwits. The twists in the show almost always revolve around the viewer thinking that someone is going to be a human being for once and instead watching them someone do something cold and calculating to further their agenda and move the plot forward. As a result, the only thing that shocked me about the show by the end of the second season was how silly the timeline moved Frank into a position of ultimate power.


I couldn't agree more. It is definitely fun to watch but it is really silly. I was expecting a Machiavellian West Wing but instead it is Dallas.  However I love "Orange is the New Black".
 
2014-06-30 05:25:32 PM  
Yet again, it really says something about Western society and human nature when the scene about the guy mercy-killing the dying dog is objectionable, when practically every other bit of material on the show  isn't.

You saw it again in season 2 with the stupid guinea pig scenes.
 
2014-06-30 05:28:09 PM  

Wellon Dowd: HawgWild: Frank was a scary, scary dude ... until he started killing people. Then he joined the league of ordinary criminals.

I'm only three episodes into Season 2 but that did seem to signal Underwood crossing the line between ordinary villainy and cartoonish-supervillainy.


I fell asleep watching the second episode of season 2 last night (not because it sucked or anything, I was just exhausted). So you're telling me he kills more people, huh? (I didn't really understand why he "killed" Pete Russo. I do understand why he killed Zoe, but he wouldn't have had to if he didn't kill Pete.) Jeez... Maybe this is a prequel to how Kevin Spacey becomes Lex Luthor.
 
2014-06-30 05:29:05 PM  

secularsage: Frank's a sociopath surrounded by nitwits. The twists in the show almost always revolve around the viewer thinking that someone is going to be a human being for once and instead watching them someone do something cold and calculating to further their agenda and move the plot forward. As a result, the only thing that shocked me about the show by the end of the second season was how silly the timeline moved Frank into a position of ultimate power.


That's rather the point of the entire show, isn't it? Power attracts the egotistical and ambitious, who are willing to sell their own mothers out for a chance to get ahead. The only real difference between Underwood and the others is that he's  self-aware.
 
2014-06-30 05:30:17 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Big deal.  TFD covered sick stuff done to dogs a long time ago


*snert*

/For the other two or three people in that tab that still venture out of it
 
2014-06-30 05:32:58 PM  

ThatBillmanGuy: Wellon Dowd: HawgWild: Frank was a scary, scary dude ... until he started killing people. Then he joined the league of ordinary criminals.

I'm only three episodes into Season 2 but that did seem to signal Underwood crossing the line between ordinary villainy and cartoonish-supervillainy.

I fell asleep watching the second episode of season 2 last night (not because it sucked or anything, I was just exhausted). So you're telling me he kills more people, huh? (I didn't really understand why he "killed" Pete Russo. I do understand why he killed Zoe, but he wouldn't have had to if he didn't kill Pete.) Jeez... Maybe this is a prequel to how Kevin Spacey becomes Lex Luthor.


A lot of things happened because they happened in the original show. Russo's BBC equivalent was a coke addicted political PR guy whom the main character had been using to further his schemes until his cocaine use and increasingly erratic behavior made him a liability.
 
2014-06-30 05:47:25 PM  
What just happened?
 
2014-06-30 05:59:41 PM  

imontheinternet: The dog had been hit by a car.  Frank is a farmboy who mercy killed an animal to end its suffering.


I had to mercy kill a cat one time...it was pretty tough.
 
2014-06-30 06:11:17 PM  

propasaurus: Yeah, it completely establishes the tone of the character and the whole show right at the opening. That scene doesn't happen,the killing of Zoe doesn't happen.


HEY MAN, SPOILERS!!!

Kidding, if you don't know about this by now and watch the show you deserve to have it spoiled...
 
2014-06-30 06:18:00 PM  
They are usually driven by auteurs like Willimon and Fincher who are given more-or-less free creative rein.

This, right here, is the point.

If you want another 1000 hand painted widgets that are just like the last 1000000 you've made, then you want the boringest person you can find. Ideally you don't want a person you want to go with robots.

But if you want to succeed in the creative business you need the creative shiat. You need to be ready for some volatility, some fail/succeed/fail, some leaving people alone.

Above all else you need creative types who want to make their mark on their business the same way you want to make money. They don't want to look stupid, you don't want to lose your shirt - and just leave them alone to do their thing.
 
2014-06-30 06:48:42 PM  

ThatBillmanGuy: Wellon Dowd: HawgWild: Frank was a scary, scary dude ... until he started killing people. Then he joined the league of ordinary criminals.

I'm only three episodes into Season 2 but that did seem to signal Underwood crossing the line between ordinary villainy and cartoonish-supervillainy.

I fell asleep watching the second episode of season 2 last night (not because it sucked or anything, I was just exhausted). So you're telling me he kills more people, huh? (I didn't really understand why he "killed" Pete Russo. I do understand why he killed Zoe, but he wouldn't have had to if he didn't kill Pete.) Jeez... Maybe this is a prequel to how Kevin Spacey becomes Lex Luthor.


Russo died because IIRC, we wanted to expose Frank and said so to his face. Zoe was asking the right questions to the wrong people and she had to go.

The mercy killing of the dog establishes Frank as a cold character who has little patience for those around him who are useless for advancing his own ends. It sets the tone perfectly for the rest of the series.

/great show, as long as they don't let it run on for too many seasons
//"X faces his demons" seems to be Netflix plot summary shorthand for "he's gonna die"
 
2014-06-30 06:51:00 PM  
I didn't realize that Fark has reached past peak Christina Hendricks on House of Cards already.  It's a terrific show that's very different from others, and breaking the 4th wall is a refreshing premise.  2nd season had its weak moments, but still better than 95% of crap out there, and kudos to Netflix for pushing this kind of quality programming out and proving that a web-only medium it can be done, and can win awards.

Pushing Zoe was almost comical (trench coat and fedora hat in a dark tunnel, no less), but necessary to move the plot forward quickly.
 
2014-06-30 06:57:46 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Is House of Cards any good? (I thought it was about poker or something)


Perhaps you're thinking about House of Games (LGT IMDB) - which is a fun little David Mamet movie that does at one point involve a poker game.... I watched it again on netflix a year ago or so, and I admit that I often get those two titles mixed up in my head... cheers

/oh, and House of Cards is, I think, fun to watch so if you have netflix check it out - It's often waayyy over the top (suspend belief) but still it's entertaining...
 
2014-06-30 07:00:05 PM  

Torgo_of_Manos: imontheinternet: The dog had been hit by a car.  Frank is a farmboy who mercy killed an animal to end its suffering.

I had to mercy kill a cat one time...it was pretty tough.


It was a raccoon for me. And yeah, not fun. But had to be done.
 
2014-06-30 07:00:50 PM  
I don't understand all the sudden hype over this show. It's great and all but it was over twenty years ago, move on.
 
2014-06-30 07:20:58 PM  

germ78: ThatBillmanGuy: Wellon Dowd: HawgWild: Frank was a scary, scary dude ... until he started killing people. Then he joined the league of ordinary criminals.

I'm only three episodes into Season 2 but that did seem to signal Underwood crossing the line between ordinary villainy and cartoonish-supervillainy.

I fell asleep watching the second episode of season 2 last night (not because it sucked or anything, I was just exhausted). So you're telling me he kills more people, huh? (I didn't really understand why he "killed" Pete Russo. I do understand why he killed Zoe, but he wouldn't have had to if he didn't kill Pete.) Jeez... Maybe this is a prequel to how Kevin Spacey becomes Lex Luthor.

Russo died because IIRC, we wanted to expose Frank and said so to his face. Zoe was asking the right questions to the wrong people and she had to go.

The mercy killing of the dog establishes Frank as a cold character who has little patience for those around him who are useless for advancing his own ends. It sets the tone perfectly for the rest of the series.

/great show, as long as they don't let it run on for too many seasons
//"X faces his demons" seems to be Netflix plot summary shorthand for "he's gonna die"


Oh yeah, that's right. I gotta stop watching this so late at night.
 
2014-06-30 07:21:11 PM  
That first scene is what sold me on the entire show. I wanted to know who the devil was this guy who mercy killed a dog and was so calm about it. What made him tick. As far as breaking the 4th wall, I actually dig it when it is done right. And in House of Cards, it's done right.
 
2014-06-30 09:18:36 PM  

propasaurus: Yeah, it completely establishes the tone of the character and the whole show right at the opening. That scene doesn't happen,the killing of Zoe doesn't happen.


If I hadn't seen it already, I'd be pissed about the spoiler.

Then again I'm smart enough not to enter threads about shows I haven't seen.
 
2014-06-30 09:26:45 PM  
I'm just saying if we're not going to see Zoe Barnes naked then what has this whole thing been about?
 
2014-06-30 09:58:56 PM  

Incorrigible Astronaut: Smeggy Smurf: Big deal.  TFD covered sick stuff done to dogs a long time ago

*snert*

/For the other two or three people in that tab that still venture out of it


Nobody likes them weirdos anyway
 
2014-06-30 10:33:36 PM  
The English version is better.
 
2014-06-30 11:04:28 PM  
Putting a bit of stick about.
 
2014-06-30 11:11:30 PM  

bdub77: It establishes, in the first minute of the show, that the main character talking to you through the fourth wall is basically a psychopath.

It's arguably one of the most compelling first minutes of a TV show EVER.


You might think so. I couldn't possibly comment.
 
2014-07-01 01:37:00 PM  
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