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(BBC)   FIFA will punish players for diving, unless they're from the Netherlands in which case they must confess first   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 74
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2014-07-01 03:11:06 AM  
How about they just remove any player so injured as to not be able to stand up on their own? If you are rolling on the ground in pain, you're out, and then your team gets a free kick from that spot (or from the scrimmage line, whichever is further away).
 
2014-07-01 06:47:38 AM  
Robben was actually fouled.  Sure he sold it some after, but he was fouled.

That's not a dive.
 
2014-07-01 07:35:02 AM  

The Muthaship: Robben was actually fouled.  Sure he sold it some after, but he was fouled.

That's not a dive.


Yes he was fouled. But screaming like a biatchboy and rolling on the ground after a Mexican defender brushes against you doesn't exactly scream fair play either.

In a perfect world the PK is given, but Arjen gets a yellow for overembellishment and attempting to game the ref.Since he did it in the first half too (And that was a dive, even by his own admission) it should have been his second yellow. Sure Holland earned their penalty but should have played a man down for Robben's antics.

Seriously, if a player writhes around in agony and suddenly gets up when no call is given (Which happened numerous times over the Holland/Mexico match amongst the Dutch players), if I was refereeing I would stop playing and all of those "Abruptly healed" players get up to see yellows and reds.

If you really want to stop this gamesmanship in football, how you do it is to have a "Health monitoring period". Basically, if a player is hurt (Or faking injury) so bad that a stretcher is called, a player should be medically examined on the sideline for 10 minutes of play, to make sure he isn't hurt. If a player needs to come in sooner, a substitution can be used to replace him (This will happen if a player is actually hurt). If a player was faking, either he burns a sub for his team, or his team is forced to play down a man for 10 minutes, which basically would end the phenomenon of "Selling injuries" and wasting time with dramatic grassrolling.
 
2014-07-01 07:41:33 AM  

Wessoman: Yes he was fouled. But screaming like a biatchboy and rolling on the ground after a Mexican defender brushes against you doesn't exactly scream fair play either.


He got his foot stepped on, that's painful
 
2014-07-01 07:42:00 AM  

Wessoman: But screaming like a biatchboy and rolling on the ground


That sh*t makes the sport damn near unwatchable.  I love the World Cup (inexplicably), but I can't watch basically any other time.  They missed a legitimate penalty in the box on Robben in the first half that should have garnered a penalty kick for the bloody Dutch, he admitted diving in another instance, and then there's the case we are discussing.

I just don't know if it's possible for them to put the genie back in the bottle.

Your idea is good, but the problem is how long is too long to be on the ground?  They do fall a lot due to the nature of the game, and it's instinctive to grab the spot where the contact that caused you to fall occurred.  I think as with all sports, the problem comes from financial interests and is therefore unlikely to be solved (since no one really wants it solved).
 
2014-07-01 07:51:13 AM  
If FIFA wanted to severely curtail the diving and embellishment and dramatic injury performances, it could do so. The organization/teams/players plainly don't give a shiat, and why should they? The real fans don't care (or even actively admire it) and the casual spectators who are turned off by it are seen as irrelevant or worse. Spare us the occasional ceremonial tsking.
 
2014-07-01 07:54:10 AM  
Get over it, Subby.
 
2014-07-01 07:54:17 AM  

The Muthaship: Robben was actually fouled.  Sure he sold it some after, but he was fouled.

That's not a dive.


Diving and being fouled are not mutually exclusive.

Don't really get why that's even remotely difficult to understand.
 
2014-07-01 07:56:53 AM  

The Muthaship: Wessoman: But screaming like a biatchboy and rolling on the ground

That sh*t makes the sport damn near unwatchable.  I love the World Cup (inexplicably), but I can't watch basically any other time.  They missed a legitimate penalty in the box on Robben in the first half that should have garnered a penalty kick for the bloody Dutch, he admitted diving in another instance, and then there's the case we are discussing.

I just don't know if it's possible for them to put the genie back in the bottle.

Your idea is good, but the problem is how long is too long to be on the ground?  They do fall a lot due to the nature of the game, and it's instinctive to grab the spot where the contact that caused you to fall occurred.  I think as with all sports, the problem comes from financial interests and is therefore unlikely to be solved (since no one really wants it solved).


He oversold one foul by acting to get the penalty kick because earlier when he was fouled by two defenders, during the same play, and didn't act, they didn't give him the penalty he rightly deserved. Although I'm not convinced it was the acting that did it... The ref knows he let the Mexicans slide on that first penalty... I don't think he could have missed it... But he wasn't willing to give them two free passes. Most refs (if they are any good) will try to not let a big game be defined by a penalty but there are limits.
 
2014-07-01 07:58:32 AM  

redmid17: Diving and being fouled are not mutually exclusive.

Don't really get why that's even remotely difficult to understand.


What's it called when they fall down after no one touches them, and act like they may never walk again?
 
2014-07-01 07:59:05 AM  

The Muthaship: Wessoman: But screaming like a biatchboy and rolling on the ground

That sh*t makes the sport damn near unwatchable


your point(s), I agree.  (with you and Wessoman about sitting out 10 minutes)

I stopped watching international play regularly 15-20 years ago.  At work, we are streaming.  Most every time a player falls to the ground, I can be heard screaming "Get up and play you fark-tard!"  Stop playing for the foul.  Play like you got a pair.

I loved the first round game (can't remember who),  tie game, seconds left, defensive play recovers the ball, player takes the ball out fast, gets fouled, rolls over, retrieves the ball and flies down field and scores.    Had he played for the foul, they would never have won.
 
2014-07-01 08:01:42 AM  

The Muthaship: redmid17: Diving and being fouled are not mutually exclusive.

Don't really get why that's even remotely difficult to understand.

What's it called when they fall down after no one touches them, and act like they may never walk again?


"Association football," sometimes called "soccer."
 
2014-07-01 08:03:55 AM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: The real fans don't care


Some of us do.

/Would love to see retroactive yellows & reds for "simulation," (embellishment too, but definitely simulation)  and the actual rules be enforced
 
2014-07-01 08:05:27 AM  

The Muthaship: redmid17: Diving and being fouled are not mutually exclusive.

Don't really get why that's even remotely difficult to understand.

What's it called when they fall down after no one touches them, and act like they may never walk again?


Playing for Italy

or

Being Cristiano Ronaldo.
 
2014-07-01 08:05:37 AM  

toetag: I stopped watching international play regularly 15-20 years ago.  At work, we are streaming.  Most every time a player falls to the ground, I can be heard screaming "Get up and play you fark-tard!"  Stop playing for the foul.  Play like you got a pair


Yeah, we're streaming it here. I keep getting dirty looks for yelling "Oh for Christ's sake, get up you bloody pussy." at every flop, drop & roll.
 
2014-07-01 08:06:28 AM  

Snapper Carr: The Muthaship: redmid17: Diving and being fouled are not mutually exclusive.

Don't really get why that's even remotely difficult to understand.

What's it called when they fall down after no one touches them, and act like they may never walk again?

Playing for Italy

or

Being Cristiano Ronaldo, Neymar or Arjen Robben.


FTFY
 
2014-07-01 08:07:08 AM  

The Muthaship: Your idea is good, but the problem is how long is too long to be on the ground? They do fall a lot due to the nature of the game, and it's instinctive to grab the spot where the contact that caused you to fall occurred. I think as with all sports, the problem comes from financial interests and is therefore unlikely to be solved (since no one really wants it solved).


When a player writhes in agony, usually the referee and the Medical staff signal for a stretcher. If a stretcher gets on the field, a mandatory wait (I say 10 minutes) should be initiated. If the player "Waves off" the stretcher, he can play instantly, but may get carded by the referee for attempting to sell a call (Depending on the severity of his howling/grassrolling).

Another solution: All World Cup matches use MLS refs. MLS is notorious for actually carding divers/simulators, since we don't play that shiat here in the USA.
 
2014-07-01 08:09:51 AM  

The Muthaship: redmid17: Diving and being fouled are not mutually exclusive.

Don't really get why that's even remotely difficult to understand.

What's it called when they fall down after no one touches them, and act like they may never walk again?


I feel like we should start with the definition of mutually exclusive and work from there.
 
2014-07-01 08:10:49 AM  

Wessoman: All World Cup matches use MLS refs. MLS is notorious for actually carding divers/simulators, since we don't play that shiat here in the USA.


This is what you need (not necessarily MLS refs).  A sea change in officiating.  Play will adapt.  I would really like to be able to watch and follow the sport, but as it stands currently, I just can't.
 
2014-07-01 08:10:59 AM  

LucklessWonder: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: The real fans don't care

Some of us do.

/Would love to see retroactive yellows & reds for "simulation," (embellishment too, but definitely simulation)  and the actual rules be enforced


I'm on board with post match punishment for diving.
 
2014-07-01 08:12:34 AM  

The Muthaship: .....and it's instinctive to grab the spot where the contact that caused you to fall occurred.


Unless your name is Rivaldo
 
2014-07-01 08:13:12 AM  

The Muthaship: Wessoman: All World Cup matches use MLS refs. MLS is notorious for actually carding divers/simulators, since we don't play that shiat here in the USA.

This is what you need (not necessarily MLS refs).  A sea change in officiating.  Play will adapt.  I would really like to be able to watch and follow the sport, but as it stands currently, I just can't.


MLS refs would be perplexed at the idea of teams passing the ball in the midfield.  Wouldn't work.
 
2014-07-01 08:13:51 AM  

redmid17: I feel like we should start with the definition of mutually exclusive and work from there.


So, soccer uses the same word for getting fouled and intentionally drawing attention to it as uses for completely fabricating a foul?

Damn, even the lingo sucks.
 
2014-07-01 08:14:36 AM  

Soup_In_A_Basket: The Muthaship: .....and it's instinctive to grab the spot where the contact that caused you to fall occurred.

Unless your name is Rivaldo


Yeah he deserved a lot one match ban for that at least. Got off with a 5K fine instead. He actually defended himself in the papers too
 
2014-07-01 08:15:55 AM  

The Muthaship: redmid17: I feel like we should start with the definition of mutually exclusive and work from there.

So, soccer uses the same word for getting fouled and intentionally drawing attention to it as uses for completely fabricating a foul?

Damn, even the lingo sucks.


If I smack you and you throw yourself down the stairs, it doesn't change the fact I smacked you.
 
2014-07-01 08:23:00 AM  

redmid17: If I smack you and you throw yourself down the stairs, it doesn't change the fact I smacked you.


I'm with you there.  I don't think of what Robben did in the instance where the penalty kick was awarded as a true dive, though.  Or at least not the kind that turns me against the sport.  He was fouled.  If he had played on and stayed on his feet, it wouldn't have been called in all likelihood.  I have no problem with what he did.  It's like drawing a charge in basketball.  If the defender falls down from light contact, it doesn't bother me.  If they flop down untouched, it does.

I supposed I have learned in this thread that I don't mind embellishment, I just can't stand simulation (both new terms to me).
 
2014-07-01 08:24:16 AM  

redmid17: The Muthaship: redmid17: I feel like we should start with the definition of mutually exclusive and work from there.

So, soccer uses the same word for getting fouled and intentionally drawing attention to it as uses for completely fabricating a foul?

Damn, even the lingo sucks.

If I smack you and you throw yourself down the stairs, it doesn't change the fact I smacked you.


How great would it be if the stadium could instantaneously detect a dive in progress and open a flight of stairs underneath the diving player.
 
2014-07-01 08:29:56 AM  

The Muthaship: redmid17: If I smack you and you throw yourself down the stairs, it doesn't change the fact I smacked you.

I'm with you there.  I don't think of what Robben did in the instance where the penalty kick was awarded as a true dive, though.  Or at least not the kind that turns me against the sport.  He was fouled.  If he had played on and stayed on his feet, it wouldn't have been called in all likelihood.  I have no problem with what he did.  It's like drawing a charge in basketball.  If the defender falls down from light contact, it doesn't bother me.  If they flop down untouched, it does.

I supposed I have learned in this thread that I don't mind embellishment, I just can't stand simulation (both new terms to me).


To be honest, I'd rather have the embellishments than the flat out no touch dives. Robben dove and greatly exaggerated the contact. It was a borderline call if Robben doesn't dive. The challenge was reckless, studs up in the box, and idiotic on Marquez' part. I'm not a all surprised it was called.
 
2014-07-01 08:35:33 AM  

Wessoman: In a perfect world the PK is given, but Arjen gets a yellow for overembellishment and attempting to game the ref


If he was fouled, and he was, making sure that the ref saw it is not gaming the ref.  Gaming the ref is diving where there was no foul.  What needs to happen is to get refs that call penalties when they happen rather than letting more go in the 18 yard box.  Doing so would actually open the game up more.  I can't imagine how may more corners would result in goals if the refs would start calling all of the clutching going on.
 
2014-07-01 08:41:28 AM  

redmid17: I'm not a all surprised it was called.


Sort of funny story:

I was in Vegas for the weekend, so I decided to bet on some WC action since that was something I hadn't had a chance to lose at before.  I bet Colombia -1/2 a goal against Uruguay, and they overcame my terrible luck to win easily.  Feeling bold, I rolled that money over to the the next obvious winner.  The Dutch.  Again -1/2 goal.  They have to win in regulation time for me to collect.  I watched the game in a bar filled with Mexicans and Mexican supporters.  They went from sort of pretending to feel bad for me, to sort of wanting to kill me in a hurry the last couple minutes.

So yeah, clearly he was fouled!
 
2014-07-01 08:42:08 AM  

Bruce Campbell: Wessoman: In a perfect world the PK is given, but Arjen gets a yellow for overembellishment and attempting to game the ref

If he was fouled, and he was, making sure that the ref saw it is not gaming the ref.  Gaming the ref is diving where there was no foul.  What needs to happen is to get refs that call penalties when they happen rather than letting more go in the 18 yard box.  Doing so would actually open the game up more.  I can't imagine how may more corners would result in goals if the refs would start calling all of the clutching going on.


If the ref might not have called that penalty, it's totally gaming the ref. Those calls don't happen in vacuum.
 
2014-07-01 08:47:36 AM  

redmid17: If the ref might not have called that penalty, it's totally gaming the ref. Those calls don't happen in vacuum.


This. And embellishing a foul may mean the difference between a foul and a card. So it's totally gaming the ref and should be a cardable offense.
 
2014-07-01 08:52:09 AM  

The Muthaship: Robben was actually fouled.  Sure he sold it some after, but he was fouled.

That's not a dive.


He got jobbed on a more blatant foul earlier in the match.  He had to sell this one to get the call.  He was fouled, though.
 
2014-07-01 08:52:57 AM  

redmid17: If the ref might not have called that penalty, it's totally gaming the ref. Those calls don't happen in vacuum.


How is ensuring the ref saw the foul unscrupulous?  I don't understand what you're trying to say.  If the ref might not have called the penalty when there is a foul, and there was, how can you argue against embellishing the foul?  Sounds to me like he had a pretty damn good reason to embellish the foul: the chance that a ref would ignore it.

Like I said, this swallowing of the whistle in the 18 yard box is stupid.
 
2014-07-01 09:00:37 AM  

Bruce Campbell: What needs to happen is to get refs that call penalties when they happen rather than letting more go in the 18 yard box.  Doing so would actually open the game up more.  I can't imagine how may more corners would result in goals if the refs would start calling all of the clutching going on.


Soccer: "The refs need to call more penalties! It'll open up the game."
Football: "The refs need to stop calling penalties and let them play!"
 
2014-07-01 09:11:31 AM  

Wessoman: The Muthaship: Your idea is good, but the problem is how long is too long to be on the ground? They do fall a lot due to the nature of the game, and it's instinctive to grab the spot where the contact that caused you to fall occurred. I think as with all sports, the problem comes from financial interests and is therefore unlikely to be solved (since no one really wants it solved).

When a player writhes in agony, usually the referee and the Medical staff signal for a stretcher. If a stretcher gets on the field, a mandatory wait (I say 10 minutes) should be initiated. If the player "Waves off" the stretcher, he can play instantly, but may get carded by the referee for attempting to sell a call (Depending on the severity of his howling/grassrolling).

Another solution: All World Cup matches use MLS refs. MLS is notorious for actually carding divers/simulators, since we don't play that shiat here in the USA.


There actually was a MLS ref doing the France-Nigeria game. He actually grabbed one of the overacting Frenchies at halftime and talked his ear off. Good times.
 
2014-07-01 09:15:50 AM  
Bruce Campbell:

How is ensuring the ref saw the foul unscrupulous?  I don't understand what you're trying to say.  If the ref might not have called the penalty when there is a foul, and there was, how can you argue against embellishing the foul?

I think this successfully boils down the way that most AF fans are OK with all the faking, while many casual fans (like me) hate, hate, hate it.  I wish I could enjoy watching the sport more.  There is so much to admire in the skills and control of the players, but I cannot get past all the faking.

I am honestly completely baffled by your position.  To me it sounds like you have Stockholm syndrome: the sport is ruined (for me) by all the obvious simulation, but serious fans have become conditioned to accept this maltreatment from their captors (a.k.a., players).  "How can you argue against embellishing the foul?"  Because it is cheating and sickening to watch.

"How is ensuring the ref saw the foul unscrupulous?"  Because oftentimes there is no foul, and it is simply a straight flop.

I don't blame the players for this: they are reacting rationally to incentives.  Fake, fake, fake and win the game; use your finely-honed sense of balance and lose.  I have never seen anyone carded for simulation so there is no risk in it. The referees buy the faking and flopping every time.  Either the quality of officiating is uniformly abysmal, which is unlikely, or the pitch is simply too big for a single referee to adequately cover.

The authorities could get rid of the appalling faking and diving overnight with post-match video reviews and genuine punishments for faking, perhaps including confiscation of goals for the most egregious example (though it would be hard to write the rule for that).  My impression is that there is much less faking in women's soccer - though I don't know why - and I enjoy watching that WC more.

I also think that there should never, ever be a free kick awarded when a player goes down clutching his shin.  It is always a fake, always a cheat.
 
2014-07-01 09:19:10 AM  
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2014-07-01 09:19:38 AM  

Wessoman: The Muthaship: Robben was actually fouled.  Sure he sold it some after, but he was fouled.

That's not a dive.

Yes he was fouled. But screaming like a biatchboy and rolling on the ground after a Mexican defender brushes against you doesn't exactly scream fair play either.

In a perfect world the PK is given, but Arjen gets a yellow for overembellishment and attempting to game the ref.Since he did it in the first half too (And that was a dive, even by his own admission) it should have been his second yellow. Sure Holland earned their penalty but should have played a man down for Robben's antics.

Seriously, if a player writhes around in agony and suddenly gets up when no call is given (Which happened numerous times over the Holland/Mexico match amongst the Dutch players), if I was refereeing I would stop playing and all of those "Abruptly healed" players get up to see yellows and reds.

If you really want to stop this gamesmanship in football, how you do it is to have a "Health monitoring period". Basically, if a player is hurt (Or faking injury) so bad that a stretcher is called, a player should be medically examined on the sideline for 10 minutes of play, to make sure he isn't hurt. If a player needs to come in sooner, a substitution can be used to replace him (This will happen if a player is actually hurt). If a player was faking, either he burns a sub for his team, or his team is forced to play down a man for 10 minutes, which basically would end the phenomenon of "Selling injuries" and wasting time with dramatic grassrolling.


Newsletter plz.
 
2014-07-01 09:21:23 AM  
My two cents root cause analysis of diving.
1) Two yellow cards (which are caused by a slightly more egregious action than a typical foul) jumps to a red, which is a huge penalty for not just the player, but the team.  It's worth flopping all day if you can get someone to get a red card.  There needs to be a better progression of penalties that are proportionate to the foul.
2)  The advantage rule.  Unlike basketball, where a foul is called on contact, in soccer you have to get fouled and also lose the advantage.  This means that players have to sometimes "show" the ref that they not only were fouled but also lost the play.  If they continue to fight on, they sometimes get in situations where they are being fouled left and right but are hanging on by a thread and clearly losing their ability to make a play.  Imagine how hard it would be to shoot a basket if you were allowed to get contacted on your arms as long as you didn't drop the ball.  Eventually you would deliberately drop the ball just to get the ref to call the penalty.
 
2014-07-01 09:23:57 AM  
The diving won't stop until you catch this guy:

mobi-wall.brothersoft.com
 
2014-07-01 09:30:07 AM  
A lot of the blame here is on the refs honestly.  I really have no problem at all with embellishment.  If it was a foul, do what you have to do to make sure the ref knows it.

What FIFA, and all domestic leagues really, ought to do is review game tape after the fact, and if a player actually dives (meaning no actual foul occurred), suspend him for a game.  After a second offense, 5 game suspension.  After a third offense, 10 game suspension.

The diving would end pretty quickly after that.
 
2014-07-01 09:31:58 AM  
just like with 20 other aspects of the game that could be improved with 'technology' this is another.

have a replay booth call down to the ref and retroactive yellow the obvious divers, and take goals OFF the board if they are scored on free kicks
falsely awarded.


watch the fans riot.

then watch the diving stop
 
2014-07-01 09:32:23 AM  

Wessoman: The Muthaship: Robben was actually fouled.  Sure he sold it some after, but he was fouled.

That's not a dive.

Yes he was fouled. But screaming like a biatchboy and rolling on the ground after a Mexican defender brushes against you doesn't exactly scream fair play either.

In a perfect world the PK is given, but Arjen gets a yellow for overembellishment and attempting to game the ref.Since he did it in the first half too (And that was a dive, even by his own admission) it should have been his second yellow. Sure Holland earned their penalty but should have played a man down for Robben's antics.

Seriously, if a player writhes around in agony and suddenly gets up when no call is given (Which happened numerous times over the Holland/Mexico match amongst the Dutch players), if I was refereeing I would stop playing and all of those "Abruptly healed" players get up to see yellows and reds.

If you really want to stop this gamesmanship in football, how you do it is to have a "Health monitoring period". Basically, if a player is hurt (Or faking injury) so bad that a stretcher is called, a player should be medically examined on the sideline for 10 minutes of play, to make sure he isn't hurt. If a player needs to come in sooner, a substitution can be used to replace him (This will happen if a player is actually hurt). If a player was faking, either he burns a sub for his team, or his team is forced to play down a man for 10 minutes, which basically would end the phenomenon of "Selling injuries" and wasting time with dramatic grassrolling.


Glad we got all that sorted out.

/in all seriousness though, I agree with you
//FIFA and the officials have allowed this to become "part of the game" and only they can fix it with harsher penalties
 
2014-07-01 09:35:58 AM  
Punishments for diving need to be enforced by review of video after the game. Do this with fines, suspensions for chronic offenders and, when possible, taking points away from the teams. Ok, you won the game and got 3 points. The oversight committee has reviewed the game and decided that diving was a factor, therefore you will only be awarded 2 points.
 
2014-07-01 09:38:03 AM  

Leader O'Cola: just like with 20 other aspects of the game that could be improved with 'technology' this is another.

have a replay booth call down to the ref and retroactive yellow the obvious divers, and take goals OFF the board if they are scored on free kicks
falsely awarded.


watch the fans riot.

then watch the diving stop


This is the sort of argument we should be having, rather than "Why does Fifa always rig the game against Mexico?"
 
2014-07-01 09:41:25 AM  

Wessoman: If you really want to stop this gamesmanship in football, how you do it is to have a "Health monitoring period". Basically, if a player is hurt (Or faking injury) so bad that a stretcher is called, a player should be medically examined on the sideline for 10 minutes of play, to make sure he isn't hurt. If a player needs to come in sooner, a substitution can be used to replace him (This will happen if a player is actually hurt). If a player was faking, either he burns a sub for his team, or his team is forced to play down a man for 10 minutes, which basically would end the phenomenon of "Selling injuries" and wasting time with dramatic grassrolling.


The obvious issue with this is that if a team is out of subs, then fouling someone becomes a powerful tactic. If you can get them to hit the ground in actual pain, now you've won yourself a 10-minute power play.
 
2014-07-01 09:46:38 AM  

Crewmannumber6: Wessoman: Yes he was fouled. But screaming like a biatchboy and rolling on the ground after a Mexican defender brushes against you doesn't exactly scream fair play either.

He got his foot stepped on, that's painful


If I was the ref I'd ignore any player who's actually screaming on the ground. Seriously, you're a professional athlete and a grown man. Have some dignity and STFU, even if you really are hurt badly.
 
2014-07-01 09:49:37 AM  

quokka70: I think this successfully boils down the way that most AF fans are OK with all the faking, while many casual fans (like me) hate, hate, hate it.  I wish I could enjoy watching the sport more.  There is so much to admire in the skills and control of the players, but I cannot get past all the faking.

I am honestly completely baffled by your position.  To me it sounds like you have Stockholm syndrome: the sport is ruined (for me) by all the obvious simulation, but serious fans have become conditioned to accept this maltreatment from their captors (a.k.a., players).  "How can you argue against embellishing the foul?"  Because it is cheating and sickening to watch.


Don't blame the players, blame refs for ignoring legitimate fouls.

"How is ensuring the ref saw the foul unscrupulous?"  Because oftentimes there is no foul, and it is simply a straight flop.

A straight flop v being actually fouled are two completely different things, and I am sure you know that, so I don't understand why you are considering them as the same things.  I don't understand the reasoning that embellishment is somehow exclusive to soccer.  Best example, in the NFL or NCAA football, there isn't a single incomplete passing play where the intended receiver doesn't act like he was interfered with on the play.  Why that seems acceptable, but the equivalent in this case is not, is baffling to me.

To complain about someone being fouled making sure the ref sees that they were fouled rests squarely on the reluctance of the ref to call the foul in the first place.  Blame the refs, like I do.  In this case, it was established earlier in the game when Robben was legitimately fouled and the ref did not call it.  If the ref had called that, then the need to have to embellish a foul would not have been established by precedent set earlier in the game.  

I don't blame the players for this: they are reacting rationally to incentives.  Fake, fake, fake and win the game; use your finely-honed sense of balance and lose.  I have never seen anyone carded for simulation so there is no risk in it. The referees buy the faking and flopping every time.  Either the quality of officiating is uniformly abysmal, which is unlikely, or the pitch is simply too big for a single referee to adequately cover.

The authorities could get rid of the appalling faking and diving overnight with post-match video reviews and genuine punishments for faking, perhaps including confiscation of goals for the most egregious example (though it would be hard to write the rule for that).  My impression is that there is much less faking in women's soccer - though I don't know why - and I enjoy watching that WC more.

I also think that there should never, ever be a free kick awarded when a player goes down clutching his shin.  It is always a fake, always a cheat.
 
2014-07-01 09:53:45 AM  

RumsfeldsReplacement: I really have no problem at all with embellishment.  If it was a foul, do what you have to do to make sure the ref knows it.


Making sure the ref knows it in football:
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Making sure the ref knows it in soccer:
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