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(ESPN)   Inspired by Heat fans, Wade and Bosh opt to become bandwagon players   (espn.go.com) divider line 36
    More: Interesting, Chris Bosh, Udonis Haslem, free agent, LeBron James, Kyle Lowry, cap room, Shabazz Napier, Dwyane Wade  
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2014-06-28 09:53:56 PM  
They're staying.
 
2014-06-28 10:34:28 PM  

SilentStrider: They're staying.


This. The only weird part is James opting out so much earlier than Wade and Bosh. But, yeah - they're just restructuring to get some help.
 
2014-06-28 11:27:58 PM  
This means they are staying. If they took the player option it would decimate the pay roll.
 
2014-06-28 11:28:02 PM  
Everyone is acting like the Big Three opting out is some kind of story. Everyone knew they were going to do this even if they all stayed in Miami.
 
2014-06-28 11:49:50 PM  
They're all gonna stay? In the words of Abraham Lincoln, no doy.
 
2014-06-28 11:51:27 PM  

UNC_Samurai: Everyone is acting like the Big Three opting out is some kind of story. Everyone knew they were going to do this even if they all stayed in Miami.


You didn't hear this from me, but *looks around* I've got a friend in the Heat organization, and he assures me that they'll be staying together, but next season all three will be playing for *looks around again* the Minnesota Vikings.
 
2014-06-28 11:55:10 PM  
Miami is going to keep getting worse, Wade is basically useless.
 
2014-06-28 11:57:29 PM  

SmackLT: UNC_Samurai: Everyone is acting like the Big Three opting out is some kind of story. Everyone knew they were going to do this even if they all stayed in Miami.

You didn't hear this from me, but *looks around* I've got a friend in the Heat organization, and he assures me that they'll be staying together, but next season all three will be playing for *looks around again* the Minnesota Vikings.


If I were LeBron, I'd stay the fark away from Lake Minnetonka. I hear Delonte West lives in Fred Smoot's old house.
 
2014-06-29 12:02:08 AM  

lifeboat: SilentStrider: They're staying.

This. The only weird part is James opting out so much earlier than Wade and Bosh. But, yeah - they're just restructuring to get some help.


I'd say that was a message sent by LeBron's camp, especially to Wade. "You opt in, Bro, and see 'ya."
 
2014-06-29 12:09:31 AM  
Read somewhere that Lebron wants a max contract and the only way Miami can do that is to sign Wade and Bosh to cheaper deals.
 
2014-06-29 12:18:34 AM  
How is the union not freaking the fark out over this?
 
2014-06-29 12:23:14 AM  

Snapper Carr: Read somewhere that Lebron wants a max contract and the only way Miami can do that is to sign Wade and Bosh to cheaper deals.


I hope Miami gives it to him and then lose the East to Chicago.
 
2014-06-29 12:25:30 AM  

pueblonative: How is the union not freaking the fark out over this?


They didn't really freak out over Duncan/Parker/Ginobli not taking max deals either. They realize that ultimately, these type of moves free up payroll for mid-level players to make more. Because there's a salary cap and a salary floor, teams are going to be spending money on payroll either way. Ultimately, the players that opt to do this help out the rest of the league and only hurt themselves (and realistically, most players that opt to do this are making most of their money in endorsements anyway).
 
2014-06-29 12:30:46 AM  

Snapper Carr: Read somewhere that Lebron wants a max contract and the only way Miami can do that is to sign Wade and Bosh to cheaper deals.


and it's not for a max deal for james.  it's so they can sign another player so they don't get embarrassed in the finals again. i would assume wade and bosh will each sign back with the heat for 4 years and 50mil.  well, wade will.  bosh might actually still be able to make money on the open market.  wade is done and is essential an nba welfare queen.
 
2014-06-29 12:34:28 AM  
Right but the spirit of the rules regarding contract options is to protect the player from being locked into an underpaying contract right?  This kind of maneuvering lets big market teams manipulate the caps, and ultimately makes for a less competitive league.  Or nobody really cares anyway.
 
2014-06-29 12:43:21 AM  

A Fark Handle: Snapper Carr: Read somewhere that Lebron wants a max contract and the only way Miami can do that is to sign Wade and Bosh to cheaper deals.

and it's not for a max deal for james.  it's so they can sign another player so they don't get embarrassed in the finals again. i would assume wade and bosh will each sign back with the heat for 4 years and 50mil.  well, wade will.  bosh might actually still be able to make money on the open market.  wade is done and is essential an nba welfare queen.


I heard Bosh wants $15 million a year. Why not?
 
2014-06-29 12:55:31 AM  
Close to 19-5-5 on 55% shooting last season for Wade. So much overreaction based on a few bad finals games. Sure he has no knees left and needs a paycut, but he is still a valuable player.

The main problem is that Bosh should've stepped up to be the #2 guy on that team but he  completely fell in love with the three ball when his game should've been more of the low post presence they brought him in for.

Pat Riley should call up Minnesota and see if they'd take Bosh and a first round pick for Love. Bosh could sign a max deal to be the guy again which might entice him, and Minnesota gets a proven All Star for the next 5 years.
 
2014-06-29 12:57:42 AM  
Is this not collusion? I feel like this is the definition of collusion.
 
2014-06-29 01:09:10 AM  

aintnuttintofarkwith: Is this not collusion? I feel like this is the definition of collusion.


It's only collusion when management does it, not labor. Anybody is free to take less money at their leisure, but if the bosses conspire to make sure you take less money it's collusion.
 
2014-06-29 01:14:04 AM  

karmaceutical: Right but the spirit of the rules regarding contract options is to protect the player from being locked into an underpaying contract right?  This kind of maneuvering lets big market teams manipulate the caps, and ultimately makes for a less competitive league.  Or nobody really cares anyway.


But there are a lot more mid-level guys than there are franchise super-duper stars. If the top gets underpaid so that the middle gets overpaid, the Union's probably okay w/ that. There are more voting members in the middle/bottom than at the top.
 
2014-06-29 01:17:08 AM  

JohnnyRebel88: Snapper Carr: Read somewhere that Lebron wants a max contract and the only way Miami can do that is to sign Wade and Bosh to cheaper deals.

I hope Miami gives it to him and then lose the East to Chicago.


I like the Bulls, grew up a Bulls fan during the Jordan run... but there's no way in hell the Bulls are beating the Heat in the playoffs next year. Even with Melo, they're still not beating the Heat. The only very unlikely possibility is if they can somehow pull off getting Kevin Love and Melo, and having Mirotic be the second coming of Dirk Nowitzki, and Doug "not Adam Levine" McDermott has a RotY season.
 
2014-06-29 01:20:08 AM  
oh, and also D.Rose comes back and is able to play at a high (but not necessarily elite) level...
and Thibodeau doesn't burn the team out by playing the starters a full 48 minutes against the likes of Philly and Orlando.
 
2014-06-29 01:31:26 AM  

germ78: oh, and also D.Rose comes back and is able to play at a high (but not necessarily elite) level...
and Thibodeau doesn't burn the team out by playing the starters a full 48 minutes against the likes of Philly and Orlando.


My previous statement was under the assumption that they were to acquire Melo.  I believe that ndiana could beat an older Heat team next year as well if they get their shiat together.  Is Ray Allen going to even play for the Heat next year?  Maybe he will go sign with Doc Rivers in LA.
 
2014-06-29 02:49:01 AM  
Thats sad....  LeBron will be wasting the remainder of his career away in Miami.
 
2014-06-29 02:53:15 AM  

T.rex: Thats sad....  LeBron will be wasting the remainder of his career away in Miami.


He made The Decision.
 
2014-06-29 03:03:32 AM  

karmaceutical: Right but the spirit of the rules regarding contract options is to protect the player from being locked into an underpaying contract right?  This kind of maneuvering lets big market teams manipulate the caps, and ultimately makes for a less competitive league.  Or nobody really cares anyway.


The Union doesn't care because the clubs still end up paying that money to the players, just different players (and there's a trickle-down effect where teams that would have been paying mid-level players elsewhere now have to spend their empty cap space somewhere because of the salary floor). The league probably should care, since they should have a vested interest in keeping mid-market teams competitive to boost revenues. But the NBA historically hasn't given a damn about parity.
 
2014-06-29 03:09:47 AM  

T.rex: Thats sad....  LeBron will be wasting the remainder of his career away in Miami.


Is there really any better situation for him than Miami?
 
2014-06-29 03:26:15 AM  

ladodger34: T.rex: Thats sad....  LeBron will be wasting the remainder of his career away in Miami.

Is there really any better situation for him than Miami?


I'm being a homer but if he joined Dallas right now they'd be better than Miami is now. The Clippers and Warriors would destroy the league with LeBron. The Rockets would also be clear favorites with LeBron. I guess Miami is a better situation since the East is a garbage conference of failure and thus guarantees him an automatic bid into the Finals, but who knows if anyone out east will step up and stop them next season.
 
2014-06-29 03:33:30 AM  
Then again I think Dallas is better suited to go for guys like Lowry, Parsons, and Ariza. Small forward and even more so point guard being the only thing keeping them from being contenders. Still think getting Chandler and getting shiatty Felton was worth losing a solid player in Calderon.
 
2014-06-29 07:20:03 AM  

pueblonative: How is the union not freaking the fark out over this?


Because NBA player's union is a joke. They fell apart during the lock-out, and lost just about every battle with the owners. Now, IIRC, they don't have a leader or legal representation. They may never recover from players' downgrading it frpm a Union to a Trade Association. At the moment, the NBA PA couldn't find Glen Davis' fat ass with both hands.
 
2014-06-29 08:10:35 AM  

lacydog: pueblonative: How is the union not freaking the fark out over this?

They didn't really freak out over Duncan/Parker/Ginobli not taking max deals either. They realize that ultimately, these type of moves free up payroll for mid-level players to make more. Because there's a salary cap and a salary floor, teams are going to be spending money on payroll either way. Ultimately, the players that opt to do this help out the rest of the league and only hurt themselves (and realistically, most players that opt to do this are making most of their money in endorsements anyway).


This.

It's strategy mostly. You restructure a little bit and suddenly you have room for free agents who can actually help you, like those not named Carmelo.
 
2014-06-29 09:59:37 AM  
I hope this ESPN "decision" special is a mini series in the model of "the bachelor" and the finalists end up being Miami, Sacramento and Toronto.
 
2014-06-29 10:05:41 AM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: aintnuttintofarkwith: Is this not collusion? I feel like this is the definition of collusion.

It's only collusion when management does it, not labor. Anybody is free to take less money at their leisure, but if the bosses conspire to make sure you take less money it's collusion.


And NBA's management can deal with it.  They decided to emphasize star players in their marketing and rules, and suddenly their top echelon of labor has figured out how to take advantage of the system.
 
2014-06-29 12:47:03 PM  

gwowen: pueblonative: How is the union not freaking the fark out over this?

Because NBA player's union is a joke. They fell apart during the lock-out, and lost just about every battle with the owners. Now, IIRC, they don't have a leader or legal representation. They may never recover from players' downgrading it frpm a Union to a Trade Association. At the moment, the NBA PA couldn't find Glen Davis' fat ass with both hands.


I'd think that with this and Adam Silver riding high as the man who vanquished the Eebil Donald Sterling, I'd say the NBAPA should start opposing these sorts of things lest they want to find themselves smiling while Silver cooks them up a nice shiat sandwich.


UNC_Samurai: Adolf Oliver Nipples: aintnuttintofarkwith: Is this not collusion? I feel like this is the definition of collusion.

It's only collusion when management does it, not labor. Anybody is free to take less money at their leisure, but if the bosses conspire to make sure you take less money it's collusion.

And NBA's management can deal with it.  They decided to emphasize star players in their marketing and rules, and suddenly their top echelon of labor has figured out how to take advantage of the system.


The fact that they have skinflint owners relieved that they don't have to explain to their fans why they didn't go after Lebron, Wade or Bosh might add too it.  Still it's never good for a sport to have its top athletes stop thinking, "how would I beat the other top athletes" and start thinking, "man, we could get together and own this league"
 
2014-06-29 01:34:28 PM  
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/ meanwhile, back at the 2014 NBA Champion's clubhouse ...
 
2014-06-30 10:28:51 AM  

veedeevadeevoodee: [static2.businessinsider.com image 300x225]

/ meanwhile, back at the 2014 NBA Champion's clubhouse ...


The thing I love about that picture is it epitomizes why they won.  It's not about Duncan or Ginobli, it's about the team as a whole.  Can you imagine a Heat championship picture that isn't all about Wade, Lebron, and Bosh?
 
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