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(Aeon.co)   How to make something completely terrifying into something awesome   (aeon.co) divider line 37
    More: Interesting, lucid dreams, Old Norse, sleep paralysis, parietal lobes, REM sleep, neural networks, complex network, GABA  
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2014-06-27 05:00:14 PM  
dnrta: repeat of the Kathy Griffin thread?
 
2014-06-27 05:20:25 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: dnrta: repeat of the Kathy Griffin thread?


Sleep paralysis - not quite as scary
 
2014-06-27 06:25:55 PM  
Oh, now Riddikulus isn't good enough anymore?
 
2014-06-27 06:26:08 PM  
I cannot take seriously any article with a fixed font-size of Large or similar.

There is pretty much nothing that's ever been written in that format with any kind of interesting information, unless TFA is a large-print romance novel for my Grandmother.

// Why would you do that?  To get more ad space along the edges or something?
 
2014-06-27 06:32:37 PM  

Jim_Callahan: I cannot take seriously any article with a fixed font-size of Large or similar.

There is pretty much nothing that's ever been written in that format with any kind of interesting information, unless TFA is a large-print romance novel for my Grandmother.

// Why would you do that?  To get more ad space along the edges or something?


Seems like a weird thing to get annoyed about.
 
2014-06-27 06:36:04 PM  
Yeah, sounds cool and all, but sleep paralysis f*cking sucks and I'd trade the possibility of lucid dreaming for not ever having to experience it.
 
2014-06-27 06:36:44 PM  
Sleep paralysis sucks.
 Additionally,  having a conversation with your wife about how you are having trouble falling asleep, and she doesn't remember any of the conversation, because you did fall asleep but you thought you were still awake also sucks, but not quite as bad as sleep paralysis
 
2014-06-27 06:37:42 PM  

Contrabulous Flabtraption: OtherLittleGuy: dnrta: repeat of the Kathy Griffin thread?

Sleep paralysis - not quite as scary


Depends...if you think of Kathy Griffin during sleep paralysis that would result in something godawful.

Now that's going to happen to me. Thanks, assholes!
 
2014-06-27 06:55:49 PM  

Contrabulous Flabtraption: Seems like a weird thing to get annoyed about.


In fairness, the font was just what clued me in, unfortunately I read in a couple paragraphs and actually realized that it couldn't be more of a useless rambling blog post story had it started with "dear diary" before I bailed.

Basically I've started interpreting that format as the internet equivalent of the story coming in a spiral notebook spattered with heart stickers, a unicorn drawn on the front in marker, and "if found, return to" scrawled on the back in glitter-glue.  And this article has reinforced that impression by  aggressively wasting my time rather than getting to the damned point.
 
2014-06-27 07:21:38 PM  
Sleep paralysis rarely happens to me but except when I was a kid I never had problem getting out of it, I just will myself to relax and then I fully wake up.  I never heard it could be used to get into lucid dream though. Next time I'll try if I remember this article.
 
2014-06-27 07:31:19 PM  
I used to have it but evidently the author decided to rip off Carlos castenada...
 
2014-06-27 07:31:36 PM  
Having experienced the full body paralysis while conscious is not fun at all. Willing myself to move, and my body not responding at all is terrifying. It happens infrequently, but when it does, Im terrified of going to sleep the next night.
 
2014-06-27 07:52:08 PM  

Contrabulous Flabtraption: Jim_Callahan: I cannot take seriously any article with a fixed font-size of Large or similar.

There is pretty much nothing that's ever been written in that format with any kind of interesting information, unless TFA is a large-print romance novel for my Grandmother.

// Why would you do that?  To get more ad space along the edges or something?

Seems like a weird thing to get annoyed about.


There's another site here that does that pretty frequently. I can't think of the name but it start with M. If I can read it comfortably from 10 feet away, it is too big.
 
2014-06-27 08:07:48 PM  
Lucid dreams are the shiat, but they're hard to control. Staying on the ground is like trying to walk along the bottom of a pool. It's like gravity is really weak in my subconscious mind.
 
2014-06-27 08:10:23 PM  
Learn to control the Dream...

Only problem is some of your dream movement turns into real movement.
Fighting in a dream while sleeping with your SO can be harmful.
 
2014-06-27 08:10:25 PM  

meat0918: Sleep paralysis sucks.
 Additionally,  having a conversation with your wife about how you are having trouble falling asleep, and she doesn't remember any of the conversation, because you did fall asleep but you thought you were still awake also sucks, but not quite as bad as sleep paralysis


That's like a reverse ambien.
 
2014-06-27 08:26:18 PM  
Sleep paralysis happens to me a couple times each year.  I don't recall ever having any of the nightmare/hallucination deals, but the not being able to move is a little freaky.  All I have to do to break it is concentrate on making myself move.  It only takes a minute or less.
 
2014-06-27 08:34:18 PM  
I can recall this happening to me once, now probably 40+ years ago, when I was about 11 or 12. I had gone back to my room after breakfast and went back to sleep. No sense of phantoms, but definite experience of waking from a dream unable to move.
 
2014-06-27 08:38:44 PM  
I get sleep paralysis from time to time. It's probably the scariest thing I have ever had happen to me. I'll be completely conscience of what's going on around me, but I can't move and it's a struggle to breathe. I'll be thinking in my head 'ok, I'm going to toss myself over at the count of 5,' but it takes many tries to finally get myself to move. I'll ragdoll around until I can open my eyes and sit up. Whenever I come out of one of these, I always feel completely drained. It hasn't happened in a while, and I'm very grateful for that.
 
2014-06-27 09:06:24 PM  
Sleep paralysis sucks.

I remember during a rough period in my marriage to my ex, I woke up suddenly in the middle of the night, laying on my back, with the paralysis. The way the bedroom was set up, there was a lightpost outside of the window that threw a blade of light across the ceiling, so shadows tended to move around the walls, especially when the moon was out and cars drove by. Combine this with jolting out of sleep and my mind...

So anyway, I was laying on my back, and I freaked out. It was dark, and I looked around the room, and along my side and near the foot of the bed I could swear that I saw a shadowy figure, roughly the size of a man, and just sense PURE EVIL. I don't know who or what that shadowy shape was supposed to be, but all that I could process was my need to scream and make it go away. But I couldn't. I tried, but all I could get out was a hoarse whisper. I couldn't move my body, I couldn't scream, I couldn't do anything except stare at this shape that was slowly moving toward me.

Eventually what little noise I could make woke my husband, and he shook me. That snapped me out of the paralysis, but that terrifying fear of something being in the room lasted for quite a while afterward. It was humiliating, too, because I was shaking like a small kid who was afraid of the Bogeyman. I can't remember for sure, but I think that I cried. My ex was an asshole, so I do remember that he told me to go back to sleep and quit being a baby, but I just curled up and lay there for a long time, absolutely terrified in the darkness.

So yea, piss off, sleep paralysis.
 
2014-06-27 09:33:50 PM  
Count me in the 'had sleep paralysis a few times as a kid' group.

The first time, I was about 12 or so. It was absolutely terrifying, I didn't "see" anything, but there were strange noises and a palpable 'presence' that certainly felt malevolent.  I can remember screaming in my head, but being completely powerless to actually do so.  Eventually I unfroze and wondered what the F had just happened.

The second time was a few years later. Thankfully, I remembered the first experience and shut everything out of my mind but "move your pinky toe", which eventually worked and then the rest got moving. When I saw Kill Bill many years later, I wondered if the scene with B in the Pussy Wagon was inspired by a sleep paralysis moment Tarantino had had.
 
2014-06-27 09:45:09 PM  
I think this has happened to me a few times in my youth.  I remember being in a "locked in" state where I was aware that I was sleeping but not able to fully come out of it or go deeper into it.  And I remember being exhausted when I came to, like I just did 3 rounds in the Octagon.
 
2014-06-27 09:58:13 PM  

Anastacya: Sleep paralysis sucks.

I remember during a rough period in my marriage to my ex, I woke up suddenly in the middle of the night, laying on my back, with the paralysis. The way the bedroom was set up, there was a lightpost outside of the window that threw a blade of light across the ceiling, so shadows tended to move around the walls, especially when the moon was out and cars drove by. Combine this with jolting out of sleep and my mind...

So anyway, I was laying on my back, and I freaked out. It was dark, and I looked around the room, and along my side and near the foot of the bed I could swear that I saw a shadowy figure, roughly the size of a man, and just sense PURE EVIL. I don't know who or what that shadowy shape was supposed to be, but all that I could process was my need to scream and make it go away. But I couldn't. I tried, but all I could get out was a hoarse whisper. I couldn't move my body, I couldn't scream, I couldn't do anything except stare at this shape that was slowly moving toward me.

Eventually what little noise I could make woke my husband, and he shook me. That snapped me out of the paralysis, but that terrifying fear of something being in the room lasted for quite a while afterward. It was humiliating, too, because I was shaking like a small kid who was afraid of the Bogeyman. I can't remember for sure, but I think that I cried. My ex was an asshole, so I do remember that he told me to go back to sleep and quit being a baby, but I just curled up and lay there for a long time, absolutely terrified in the darkness.

So yea, piss off, sleep paralysis.


Yeah, I know the feeling. One time I swore something akin to the evil chick from The Ring was coming to get me. It doesn't help that my sleep paralysis is generally accompanied by a loud buzzing/rushing in my ears (probably my jaw clenching) to add to the general "get me the fark out of here" atmosphere.
 
2014-06-27 10:02:06 PM  

captainmaxthedestroyer: I think this has happened to me a few times in my youth.  I remember being in a "locked in" state where I was aware that I was sleeping but not able to fully come out of it or go deeper into it.  And I remember being exhausted when I came to, like I just did 3 rounds in the Octagon.


To me it's a bit like how I feel after recovering from a hangover or a migraine. I'll sleep for much longer than normal. I think might simply just be correlative...the paralysis could be triggered by exhaustion.
 
2014-06-27 10:13:54 PM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: captainmaxthedestroyer: I think this has happened to me a few times in my youth.  I remember being in a "locked in" state where I was aware that I was sleeping but not able to fully come out of it or go deeper into it.  And I remember being exhausted when I came to, like I just did 3 rounds in the Octagon.

To me it's a bit like how I feel after recovering from a hangover or a migraine. I'll sleep for much longer than normal. I think might simply just be correlative...the paralysis could be triggered by exhaustion.


Mine is.

The later I stay up doing work, or playing video games or something, the higher the chance and the worse the episode.

Stress is a trigger too.
 
2014-06-27 10:29:35 PM  
I use to experience sleep paralysis ever once in a while as a teenager. Not so often now. I remember once I though the farking grim reaper was standing over my bed ready to just bring down his scythe a decapitate me where I lay through the bed and everything and not being able to move I was on the verge of a heart attack. On nights like that I would hear a squirting noise in the back of my head that I have never been able to explain or duplicate at other times.

Sometimes I would just have a night where I woke up and could not for the life of me go back to sleep because the minute I start sleeping I would start experiencing paralysis and force myself awake, it would go on and off all night until I would pass out from exhaustion around 4am. Getting up two hours later would be a biatch. On those nights I would hear a loud ringing sound during paralysis.

And very rarely everything would go completely opposite and I would have the awesomest dreams. Not like seeing myself do something but dream in images, colors, and ideas, floating as oneness with the world where everything would flow from one into the next like I could sing a song that could unite everything. Like I was drugged.
 
2014-06-27 10:55:17 PM  
Never had sleep paralysis, but I'm curious to talk to my psych the next time I see him-I think I may be experiencing "Exploding Head Syndrome": The best way I can describe it is it's like a hypnic jerk (and often seems to come with one), but there's sometimes also a *REALLY LOUD* sound that comes with it, from inside my head.

I don't need it treated, or anything, I just sorta find it fascinating and wish to *discuss* it.

/Then again I also kinda lucid dream and semi-lucid dream a fair bit-
//... My brain is a weird place.
 
2014-06-27 10:58:01 PM  
Man, these headlines promoting Total Fark are getting subtle.
 
2014-06-28 12:54:34 AM  
Night Hag strikes again.
 
2014-06-28 05:38:57 AM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Yeah, sounds cool and all, but sleep paralysis f*cking sucks and I'd trade the possibility of lucid dreaming for not ever having to experience it.


Wouldn't that be evil if doctor house solved this with his leg pain? Exploit a pain sensitivity to transition your awareness of your own thought to at least drop some sort of hallucinatory shell towards actual sleep and relaxing neurological function.
 
2014-06-28 05:46:25 AM  
So for sleep apnea treatment, instead of just gassing with oxygen there could be some sort of taser anklet or bracelet that senses breathing patterns through skin galvanics or something and primarily sleep transitions so as to not piss you off or actually interrupt, to remind you of the fact that you're probably not breathing irl at those moments, or if its a sleep paralyzation thing it might be a free phonecall to a dream (I've had to fight through my breathing pattern suddenly stopping because I realized I was paralyzed, and then i recognized my breathing and that observance lost my subconscious control, for some reason I can manage to twitch my scalp or ears to get back out of the paralysis, but also its something that I have to remember as sometimes I'll attempt to hold my breath if I'm dreaming of water or danger underwater preventing surfacing, and that a lot of times translates directly back to reality and I accidentally wake myself in those situations.)

damn that was a huge parenthesis.

Also could be something with bladeless fans and hot/extremely cold air, sort of like a bucket of non-water to force through especially strong paralysis episodes.
 
2014-06-28 07:47:27 AM  
My lucid dream control is a rewind button. If I don't like the outcome of a dream, I hit rewind and starts the scene from the beginning and steer it toward a different outcome.
 
2014-06-28 01:45:10 PM  
Suffered from sleep paralysis throughout childhood in various forms, including one particularly horrifying month long sequence at the end of my 11th grade year. The common form my paralysis took before that sequence was the sensation of being eaten alive by dogs, feeling their teeth bite into me and tear me apart. Was terrified of dogs for a long time. Still occasionally suffer sleep paralysis episodes with terrifying hallucinations, but not nearly as often as when I was young.

I still remember clearly the very first time I saw a stray dog in my dream (which up until then ALWAYS preceded the dog attack sequence) and I willed it to not attack me. I woke up without being eaten and I was absolutely overjoyed that I'd finally woken up without that "ripped apart" feeling. And it never occurred again.

The 11th grade sequence is still one of the weirdest series of dream hallucinations I ever had and I still can't explain to myself why and how it ended the way it did, but after a terrifying climax it just stopped suddenly and never occurred like that again.  No wonder these cultural monster myths described in the article came about.

Every now and then I feel the sensation creep up on me and I feel more annoyed than anything else, because it's so hard to truly wake up from that once it starts. Ugh.
 
2014-06-28 02:27:27 PM  

meat0918: Sleep paralysis sucks.


Lies.

The first time it scared the crap out of me, as I had no idea what was going on. When I woke the next day and thought about it, it occurred to me what had happened.

After that, every time it happened (only two more to date) I rode it like a roller-coaster: yeah, it was scary, but totally awesome as well and I couldn't wait for it to happen again.

/still waiting
/4 years
 
2014-06-28 05:30:39 PM  
I haven't had the lucid dreaming thing, but I've experienced the paralysis with its attendant scary crap several times. The last two that I can remember:

Lying on my side, facing the wall. Someone or something is rummaging excitedly under the covers along the edge of the bed behind me, moving rapidly from the foot of the bed to the head, as if frantically chasing a mouse under the sheets. I desperately want to snap to my feet like a gorram ninja and confront whatever it is, but I am unable even to move my head until after the "ghost" has gone.

Lying on my stomach, my head turned toward the wall. Some flying thing is coming around the corner from the bathroom and toward the bedroom door near the head end of the bed, not some little fluttery thing, but something huge, condor-sized at least. I can hear its wingbeats approaching, whooff... whooff... whooff... I really want to look and see what this farking thing is, but am completely immobilized. The thing rounds the corner and sweeps low over my head, WHOOFF... WHOOOFF... whooff... and fades away beyond my feet. I am fully awake the whole time, and it all seems vividly real. For a minute or two I am actually a little peeved at myself for having been unable to get a look at the creature.
 
2014-06-28 10:03:43 PM  
I've frequently had both sleep paralysis and lucid dreams throughout my life, but never together.

The sleep paralysis has always been accompanied by the feeling of a malignant presence or even something on top of me, pressing me down into the bed, usually choking me. It is a terrible experience as it is usually absolutely terrifying...I try to scream, but can't. Recently, I had one and I tried to scream--every fiber of my being tried to scream, but I couldn't. Then suddenly, I was "released" and I let out a massive gasp for air, which woke up and scared the shiat out of my dog.

One episode I recall very clearly...I "awoke" laying on my back with the distinct feeling of a presence off to the left of the foot of my bed. Looking there, I saw a black mass standing there. It began to move across the foot of my bed from left to right and as it moved the darkness on it began to dissipate as if it were smoke, revealing a dumpy looking middle-aged balding man wearing khakis and a pale yellow button down oxford shirt. He just walked across the room and disappeared into the right wall.

I've had much scarier ones, too.

Lucid dreams, on the other hand, are totally awesome.
 
2014-06-29 02:18:38 AM  

MarkEC: My lucid dream control is a rewind button. If I don't like the outcome of a dream, I hit rewind and starts the scene from the beginning and steer it toward a different outcome.


I usually can't get a dream lucid enough for that, the moment it is stopped for the 'rewind', all of the dynamic manipulations become 'visual/graphical artifacts', and due to that, replays only look annoying for the end goal of relaxing dream patterns, as the replay only holds small chunks of what was supposed to be replayed,  normally diluted out with reality sensory inputs like sound or bodily temperatures, so I basically have to find the one needle of dynamic artifacting that has some background-ability to start 'reading' in a consistent pattern to get me to lose focus of my bodily conditions and breathing rates. Usually if I have a problem with a dream, it is usually a problem in reality, like grappling claustrophobic situations tend to involve my general 'lay' on the bed or sheet restriction issues, brawlers and 'duelistic knife fights' tend to be breathing rate or bodily overheat patterns needing some sort of attention, and 'flashlight-perspective-throws' tend to be the end of dream cycles, if they are happening faster than 'normal', it normally means I've reached complete sleep saturation and should wake up.
 
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