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(Fox News)   Huntsville Alabama volunteers to have the ACLU sue them further into the stone age than they already are   (foxnews.com) divider line 172
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2014-06-27 12:45:14 PM  
"The Huntsville station reports that the council has a long-standing tradition of opening meetings with prayer."

Not any more.
 
2014-06-27 12:50:46 PM  
Well see, this isn't fair.

That non Christian CLEARLY set them up to violate his first amendment rights. They didn't go LOOKING to violate federal law, but when pushed on the issue, they were forced to discriminate him based on his religion, because his religion makes people uncomfortable.
 
2014-06-27 01:31:34 PM  

what_now: Well see, this isn't fair.

That non Christian CLEARLY set them up to violate his first amendment rights. They didn't go LOOKING to violate federal law, but when pushed on the issue, they were forced to discriminate him based on his religion, because his religion makes people uncomfortable.


To be fair, when they said the opening prayer was open to all faiths, they were thinking both kinds: Protestant AND Catholic.
 
2014-06-27 01:52:06 PM  

nmrsnr: what_now: Well see, this isn't fair.

That non Christian CLEARLY set them up to violate his first amendment rights. They didn't go LOOKING to violate federal law, but when pushed on the issue, they were forced to discriminate him based on his religion, because his religion makes people uncomfortable.

To be fair, when they said the opening prayer was open to all faiths, they were thinking both kinds: Protestant AND Catholic.


They are a lot more open minded than you give them credit for.  They'd allow a Jewish prayer also.
 
2014-06-27 01:53:47 PM  

EvilEgg: nmrsnr: what_now: Well see, this isn't fair.

That non Christian CLEARLY set them up to violate his first amendment rights. They didn't go LOOKING to violate federal law, but when pushed on the issue, they were forced to discriminate him based on his religion, because his religion makes people uncomfortable.

To be fair, when they said the opening prayer was open to all faiths, they were thinking both kinds: Protestant AND Catholic.

They are a lot more open minded than you give them credit for.  They'd allow a Jewish prayer also.


Now see here farkers, them Jews don't believe in Jesus therefore their prayers are invalid.
 
2014-06-27 01:55:19 PM  

what_now: Well see, this isn't fair.

That non Christian CLEARLY set them up to violate his first amendment rights. They didn't go LOOKING to violate federal law, but when pushed on the issue, they were forced to discriminate him based on his religion, because his religion makes people uncomfortable.


Black people made Alabamians uncomfortable for a long time but they passed some laws in D.C. so they wouldn't have to discriminate any more.
 
2014-06-27 01:55:20 PM  
Legislative invocations are supposed to be for the benefit of the lawmakers themselves.  If the lawmakers see no value in witchcraft and sorcery, they should not be required to suffer that kind of ritual.
 
2014-06-27 01:58:32 PM  

SkinnyHead: Legislative invocations are supposed to be for the benefit of the lawmakers themselves.  If the lawmakers see no value in witchcraft and sorcery, they should not be required to suffer that kind of ritual.


This is your only good work in ages.

nmrsnr: To be fair, when they said the opening prayer was open to all faiths, they were thinking both kinds: Protestant AND Catholic.


Papists welcomed?  In deep-South Dixie?  I'd believe that when I saw it.
 
2014-06-27 02:04:26 PM  

JoieD'Zen: EvilEgg: nmrsnr: what_now: Well see, this isn't fair.

That non Christian CLEARLY set them up to violate his first amendment rights. They didn't go LOOKING to violate federal law, but when pushed on the issue, they were forced to discriminate him based on his religion, because his religion makes people uncomfortable.

To be fair, when they said the opening prayer was open to all faiths, they were thinking both kinds: Protestant AND Catholic.

They are a lot more open minded than you give them credit for.  They'd allow a Jewish prayer also.

Now see here farkers, them Jews don't believe in Jesus therefore their prayers are invalid.


Yes, but you see that have to keep the "Well bless your heart" attitude up with the Jews so Jesus can destroy them first when he comes back for the apocalypse
 
2014-06-27 02:10:37 PM  

nmrsnr: what_now: Well see, this isn't fair.

That non Christian CLEARLY set them up to violate his first amendment rights. They didn't go LOOKING to violate federal law, but when pushed on the issue, they were forced to discriminate him based on his religion, because his religion makes people uncomfortable.

To be fair, when they said the opening prayer was open to all faiths, they were thinking both kinds: Protestant AND Catholic.


Ehhh...they aren't too keen on the Mackerel Smackers in Alabama.

I think they meant they were open to Baptists, Methodists and the AME.
 
2014-06-27 02:25:41 PM  
Why should they give equal time to a made-up religion?
 
2014-06-27 02:37:50 PM  
DNRTFA yet, but I'm curious how you can get SUED into the Stone Age? Can you actually be sued enough theat they can extract thousands of years of human history and innovation out of you?
 
2014-06-27 02:39:43 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Why should they give equal time to a made-up religion?


Point of order: all religions are made up.
 
2014-06-27 02:39:52 PM  
It's almost as if the Christian Taliban haven't thought their cunning plan through.
 
2014-06-27 02:40:10 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Why should they give equal time to a made-up religion?


Because they're all made up.
 
2014-06-27 02:40:36 PM  

Mikey1969: DNRTFA yet, but I'm curious how you can get SUED into the Stone Age? Can you actually be sued enough theat they can extract thousands of years of human history and innovation out of you?


Objection: presupposes the residents of Alabama have thousands of years of human history and innovation to extract.
 
2014-06-27 02:40:51 PM  

SkinnyHead: Legislative invocations are supposed to be for the benefit of the lawmakers themselves.  If the lawmakers see no value in witchcraft and sorcery, they should not be required to suffer that kind of ritual.


What if I were a lawmaker and saw no value in praying to a guy that died 2,000 years ago?
 
2014-06-27 02:41:21 PM  

Mikey1969: DNRTFA yet, but I'm curious how you can get SUED into the Stone Age? Can you actually be sued enough theat they can extract thousands of years of human history and innovation out of you?


Well for Alabama that is made a bit easier as they have no real innovation or history that doesn't look like the stone ages. So really all you're doing is trying to take what the other states have sunk into that cesspool back.
 
2014-06-27 02:42:04 PM  

nmrsnr: what_now: Well see, this isn't fair.

That non Christian CLEARLY set them up to violate his first amendment rights. They didn't go LOOKING to violate federal law, but when pushed on the issue, they were forced to discriminate him based on his religion, because his religion makes people uncomfortable.

To be fair, when they said the opening prayer was open to all faiths, they were thinking both kinds: Protestant Baptist AND Catholic Southern Baptist.


Fixed for accuracy.
 
2014-06-27 02:43:50 PM  

SkinnyHead: Legislative invocations are supposed to be for the benefit of the lawmakers themselves.  If the lawmakers see no value in witchcraft and sorcery, they should not be required to suffer that kind of ritual.



Which is exactly why you'll never see Sarah Palin and Bobby Jindal open with a prayer.
 
2014-06-27 02:43:54 PM  
Huntsville is actually a really important city in our efforts to blow other countries into the stone age.

/tmyk
 
2014-06-27 02:44:51 PM  
Wiccans practicing their religion is really getting in the way of my religious liberty.
 
2014-06-27 02:45:54 PM  

what_now: Well see, this isn't fair.

That non Christian CLEARLY set them up to violate his first amendment rights. They didn't go LOOKING to violate federal law, but when pushed on the issue, they were forced to discriminate him based on his religion, because his religion makes people uncomfortable.


Actually, it sounds like one of the council-members (or several, or even everybody but the chairman potentially) invited the guy, and then another member of the council either only found out about it through citizen complaints or pussied out and backpedaled and blocked it.

Mikey1969: DNRTFA yet, but I'm curious how you can get SUED into the Stone Age? Can you actually be sued enough theat they can extract thousands of years of human history and innovation out of you?


Well, whoever made this decision is quite literally working out of the bronze age (since the iron age parts of the Bible pretty explicity pull down the sunglasses and say "deal with it" regarding the existence of other religions, and also kind of explicitly condemn public prayer), so where is there left to go back to from there?

Beside, with the culture they're working from they'd lose maybe a century or two, at most, from rewinding to stone, the tribal judaism that this branch of Christianity is a reversion to is like half a step past Neanderthal fertility cult as it is.  They've already rejected 99% of the history and innovation between that point and modern life.
 
2014-06-27 02:47:02 PM  

SkinnyHead: Legislative invocations are supposed to be for the benefit of the lawmakers themselves.  If the lawmakers see no value in witchcraft and sorcery, they should not be required to suffer that kind of ritual.


Prayers are witchcraft, sorcery and magic. Or would be if they actually worked.
 
2014-06-27 02:47:09 PM  
We were assured by the Supreme Court that this would never happen.
 
2014-06-27 02:47:47 PM  
Thats why this shiat never works. Someone panties all get in a bunch.

Leave the praying in church or by yourself. It does not need to be everywhere.
 
2014-06-27 02:48:28 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: Wiccans practicing their religion is really getting in the way of my religious liberty.



I would let the Wiccan practice his religion, but my values got in the way.
 
2014-06-27 02:49:27 PM  
Pretty damn funny.  You can't have religion in your politics without getting politics in your religion.
 
2014-06-27 02:50:23 PM  

Corvus: Leave the praying in church or by yourself. It does not need to be everywhere.


If people can't see my getting my god on, then what's the point?
 
2014-06-27 02:51:11 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: We were assured by the Supreme Court that this would never happen.


Yeah just like they said companies would not funnel money to hide their intentions.

Their record is not very good.

I love how the court yesterday said they think all recesses appointments (even ones when the congress is officially not in session) should be removed because its an anachronism. How the fark is something still being done an anarchism???

The conservatives on the court really seem to live in some alternate universe.
 
2014-06-27 02:51:12 PM  

Cobblestone Flag: Huntsville is actually a really important city in our efforts to blow other countries into the stone age.

/tmyk


It's a pretty nice area too. Except for the fact that it's in Alabama.

The rocket park is worth checking out.
 
2014-06-27 02:51:19 PM  
Can you imagine being Werner Von Braun and having to work and live amongst all these mouthbreathing hillbillies, and every morning you have to wake up and say "Our Reich lost to THESE people???".
 
2014-06-27 02:51:38 PM  
"Your phoney-baloney religion is inferior to my phoney-baloney religion!!!"

Having said that, I hope the warlock wins.
 
2014-06-27 02:51:48 PM  
You have to have your head pretty far up your ass to stub your toe on one of the easiest first amendment cases. This one, Ten Commandments on the court lawn, and mandatory prayer in school should be known by everyone at this point. It's like amateur hour out there.
 
2014-06-27 02:51:55 PM  

paygun: Corvus: Leave the praying in church or by yourself. It does not need to be everywhere.

If people can't see my getting my god on, then what's the point?



Which is really their point. Its basically to rub their religion in others faces. Which is why its bullshiat.
 
2014-06-27 02:52:21 PM  

qorkfiend: Mikey1969: DNRTFA yet, but I'm curious how you can get SUED into the Stone Age? Can you actually be sued enough theat they can extract thousands of years of human history and innovation out of you?

Objection: presupposes the residents of Alabama have thousands of years of human history and innovation to extract.


xaldin: Mikey1969: DNRTFA yet, but I'm curious how you can get SUED into the Stone Age? Can you actually be sued enough theat they can extract thousands of years of human history and innovation out of you?

Well for Alabama that is made a bit easier as they have no real innovation or history that doesn't look like the stone ages. So really all you're doing is trying to take what the other states have sunk into that cesspool back.


Jim_Callahan: Well, whoever made this decision is quite literally working out of the bronze age (since the iron age parts of the Bible pretty explicity pull down the sunglasses and say "deal with it" regarding the existence of other religions, and also kind of explicitly condemn public prayer), so where is there left to go back to from there?

Beside, with the culture they're working from they'd lose maybe a century or two, at most, from rewinding to stone, the tribal judaism that this branch of Christianity is a reversion to is like half a step past Neanderthal fertility cult as it is.  They've already rejected 99% of the history and innovation between that point and modern life.


LOL, these were all good answers. Thanks, needed a chuckle at this point of my day!
 
2014-06-27 02:53:54 PM  

nmrsnr: both kinds: Protestant AND Catholic.


i1.ytimg.com
Approves
 
2014-06-27 02:54:18 PM  

Jaden Smith First of His Name: You have to have your head pretty far up your ass to stub your toe on one of the easiest first amendment cases. This one, Ten Commandments on the court lawn, and mandatory prayer in school should be known by everyone at this point. It's like amateur hour out there.


SCOTUS basically said "all precedents concerning religion are potentially up for review" with their decision in Town of Greece.
 
2014-06-27 02:54:57 PM  

Jaden Smith First of His Name: You have to have your head pretty far up your ass to stub your toe on one of the easiest first amendment cases. This one, Ten Commandments on the court lawn, and mandatory prayer in school should be known by everyone at this point. It's like amateur hour out there.


I think they know.  They just want to be forced into it so they can save face.  No one wants to be the guy that voluntarily did away with the prayer.
 
2014-06-27 02:55:13 PM  
Wiccan isn't a religion or a faith, because they don't believe in a god - it's just a magic club.

/I am not a lawyer
 
2014-06-27 02:56:12 PM  
Excuse me, I don't like your religion so I'm separating it from my state.  What?  Separate my religion?  But I'm a Christian and that would be against my religious liberties!  You have a lot of nerve!
 
2014-06-27 02:56:53 PM  
They literally did the one thing they could not do if they wanted to keep doing their normal prayers. F*cking Neanderthals
 
2014-06-27 02:57:06 PM  

Corvus: HotWingConspiracy: We were assured by the Supreme Court that this would never happen.

Yeah just like they said companies would not funnel money to hide their intentions.

Their record is not very good.

I love how the court yesterday said they think all recesses appointments (even ones when the congress is officially not in session) should be removed because its an anachronism. How the fark is something still being done an anarchism???

The conservatives on the court really seem to live in some alternate universe.


It's especially funny/depressing in that when they ruled prayers at these meetings were ok, they cited history and tradition.

So if the court like the policy, it can stand on history. If they don't like it, history means fark all and it's got to go.
 
2014-06-27 02:58:24 PM  

TV's Vinnie: Can you imagine being Werner Von Braun and having to work and live amongst all these mouthbreathing hillbillies, and every morning you have to wake up and say "Our Reich lost to THESE people???".


Y'know, I never considered that. But you're absolutely right. Coming from a top position in a modern (albeit thoroughly evil) government with all the trappings, busted down to living amongst a people whose claim to fame is football and high calorie diets must've been some sort of karmic retribution. Hopefully just the beginning though, and the real retribution took place, you know....later.
 
2014-06-27 02:58:42 PM  

Wyalt Derp: Wiccan isn't a religion or a faith, because they don't believe in a god - it's just a magic club.


They have oodles of gods.  One might say it's chock full o' gods.
 
2014-06-27 03:00:15 PM  
We found a witch may we ...

img.fark.net

Deny him the right to deliver the opening prayer at the City Council meeting?
 
2014-06-27 03:02:57 PM  

Serious Black: SkinnyHead: Legislative invocations are supposed to be for the benefit of the lawmakers themselves.  If the lawmakers see no value in witchcraft and sorcery, they should not be required to suffer that kind of ritual.

What if I were a lawmaker and saw no value in praying to a guy that died 2,000 years ago?


They wouldn't vote for you?

/was this rhetorical?
//I'm bad at that game
 
2014-06-27 03:02:59 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Why should they give equal time to a made-up religion?


I can't believe anyone thought you were serious. It's like they don't even know you.
 
2014-06-27 03:03:19 PM  

Wyalt Derp: Wiccan isn't a religion or a faith, because they don't believe in a god - it's just a magic club.


I first read that as "magic chub", and nodded thoughtfully.
 
2014-06-27 03:03:37 PM  

Wyalt Derp: Wiccan isn't a religion or a faith, because they don't believe in a god - it's just a magic club.



So, atheism isn't a religion anymore?
/Confused in midstream
 
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