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(The Atlantic)   Why is it creative geniuses tend to have a form of mental illness? Here comes the science   (theatlantic.com ) divider line
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2014-06-27 01:37:10 PM  
Tend to have a higher incidence of, subby. Subtle but important distinction.

Interesting article though, thanks
 
2014-06-27 02:06:31 PM  
Mental illness if frequently a judgment call, and given the vague categories of the DSM anything can be a mental illness.
 
2014-06-27 02:38:59 PM  
"The more they overthink the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain."
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And that's about it...
 
2014-06-27 02:40:35 PM  
The brain is a noisy electrochemical system. Creatives tend to find a way to use that noise to advantage. Most of the time. The I'll let the noise disrupt them.
 
2014-06-27 02:43:33 PM  
Confirming once again that Taylor Swift simply is a mental disease.
 
2014-06-27 02:54:09 PM  
She got me nailed, except for the  schizophrenia, WHICH I DO NOT HAVE.

/shut up, shut up....
//alas, only 7 patents. Must think HARDER.
 
2014-06-27 03:01:43 PM  
Outliers gonna outlie.
 
2014-06-27 03:03:23 PM  
Maybe because dealing with all the sub-geniuses drives us to insanity.
 
2014-06-27 03:07:12 PM  
There seems to be some correlation between creativity and what we classify as mental illness, but I won't how much of it is a result of really creative people/artists living in a world that doesn't really value what you do. Sure there are exceptions, especially with inventors and such in the business world, but someone attempting to support themselves financially in the modern world as an artist would have a rough road. Any predisposition to substance abuse or mental illness could be activated by that kind of stress.

On the other hand, as much as I hate to say it, especially in the music and art world emotional instability can be a great selling point so a lot of artists play that angle. I see it in the heavy metal community all the time. "So and so is so depressed listen to this killer album they recorded." Instability is interesting to people as long as they don't have to deal with it first hand. It sells
 
2014-06-27 03:22:29 PM  

ikanreed: Outliers gonna outlie.


yup. Most people with mental illness are not "creative". Most "creative" people do not have mental illness. The correlation has the opposite sign of what the premise suggests, and furthermore, even if that wasn't the case, the value of correlating subjective phenomena is dubious to begin with.
 
2014-06-27 03:23:08 PM  
You only have a mental illness when you disagree with those in power.
 
2014-06-27 03:27:33 PM  

ReverendJynxed: You only have a mental illness when you disagree with those in power.


yeah, like Jesus. I keep talking to him and he keeps telling me weird stuff.
 
2014-06-27 03:32:35 PM  
me,me, me, me, me, I, I ,I, I, I, me, me

did anyone finish the article? the premise sounded interesting
 
2014-06-27 03:35:00 PM  

mark12A: She got me nailed, except for the  schizophrenia, WHICH I DO NOT HAVE.

/shut up, shut up....
//alas, only 7 patents. Must think HARDER.


how about.... Hamburger earmuffs!
 
2014-06-27 03:47:09 PM  

McGrits: me,me, me, me, me, I, I ,I, I, I, me, me

did anyone finish the article? the premise sounded interesting


It had its moments. It correlated creative genius with divergent thinking (and a higher incidence of schizophrenia or bipolar).

My initial thought would be to examine whether high IQ and convergent thinking also pointed to anything (e.g. the tendency for CEO types toward sociopathy)

I did like the quote at the end along the lines of 'people who see things differently and are correct are seen as creative, people who see things differently and are wrong are seen as insane'
 
2014-06-27 04:02:42 PM  

ReverendJynxed: You only have a mental illness when you disagree with those in power.


The irony of how this actually represents a paranoid delusional statement.  Top notch material.
 
2014-06-27 04:05:46 PM  
my brother is schizo and has an art show coming up where he is selling stuff for stupid amounts of money.  So far I've found the article interesting to say the least.
 
2014-06-27 04:17:46 PM  

ikanreed: ReverendJynxed: You only have a mental illness when you disagree with those in power.

The irony of how this actually represents a paranoid delusional statement.  Top notch material.


It's ok to have voices in your head as long as they all get along.  But once an argument starts, oh fark here we go...
 
2014-06-27 04:28:29 PM  

ReverendJynxed: You only have a mental illness when you disagree with those in power.


Hah. Yes, I'm sure the guy walking down the street screaming at things that don't exist and masterbating at passing buses is really just a revolutionary.

McGrits: me,me, me, me, me, I, I ,I, I, I, me, me

did anyone finish the article? the premise sounded interesting


Not I. Couldn't get passed all the self congratulatory "I was one of the only women doing this!" backslapping. Awesome, you chose a career that few other woman choose. You want a medal, or do you want to get to the damn point?
 
2014-06-27 04:41:45 PM  
You just have to be crazy to think article is true.
 
2014-06-27 04:52:31 PM  
Now correlate real acts of genius (ground breaking intectual work) and age.  I think there should be a ground around the ages of 22-28.
 
2014-06-27 05:14:49 PM  
Hey, what if I LIKE living down in a subterranean secret hide-out under the college dorms???
billypurgatory.files.wordpress.com 

Actually, Yale has some really cool catacombs to enjoy.


Only problem with genius...most people don't understand what you're trying to relay to them,
including "smart" people with nice degrees...
They'll usually figure it out...sometime down the line, when the genius has moved on.
(because genius does not equate to the ability to convince...or sell)


I'd say that most "mental illness" occurs the same reason a complicated dynamic program or machine
may have more bugs or "holes"...can you really handle being at that level all the time??
Even the best of the best athletes breakdown...and have long-term impact during and after the fact.
Especially trying to push themselves, or get that rush...or even worse, meet expectations.


I do know this...it is not like the myths people expect or what media portrays.
Genius is often spontaneous and inconsistent...and subtle.
You cannot always have the answer ad-hoc at hand and perfect,
it often just "happens"...something clicks.


But the same can occur in the negative...you trying to connect all the dots, overwhelms you.
Or even intuitively, your brain absorbing much and relating much...goes haywire.  Sometimes chronically.


A wise genius knows how to pace themselves.
How to "let go"...how to purge.
How to "do their thing" during their best moments...not when everyone else "expects" them to.


The brain is not a car...something to turn on & off, gun or brake, drive where you want.
But even a car breaksdown...or needs a simple tune-up.


Personally, I think most "illness" a genius gets...is because of stress and anxiety,
not only trying to deal with normal chaos of life and people...but perhaps even working at another level.


Just because you're smart...doesn't mean you're psychic.
You may estimate, but you cannot tell everything that's coming at you...or the twists people throw at you.
Ignorance is not bliss.
 
2014-06-27 05:20:00 PM  
laudanum  or mental illness.   decisions decisions
 
2014-06-27 05:24:27 PM  

Wasilla Hillbilly: Maybe because dealing with all the sub-geniuses drives us to insanity.



All you need is a little slack
 
2014-06-27 05:30:29 PM  

ModernPrimitive01: I keep talking to him and he keeps telling me weird stuff.


I keep telling you man, that's just an accent, he's Guatemalan.  And you can't dodge your accountant forever by pretending not to understand what he's saying about your K-2, you're going to have to file your taxes before your revision extension expires, Mr. Primitive.
 
2014-06-27 07:40:06 PM  
i me mine
i me mine
i me mine
 
2014-06-27 08:05:05 PM  
When the pot is really full and starts boiling, some of it is bound to slop over the sides.  People whose brains are only half-full don't have that problem.
 
2014-06-27 09:01:42 PM  
Holy cow, tl:dr +10.  I usually persevere through these but my foot got so bloodied from all the names she kept dropping.
 
2014-06-27 09:26:59 PM  
Far as that correlation goes, I think it's like that one Quicksilver thing, where he's talking about how annoying everybody else is. If you're operating on a genius level, everybody else is just dull, annoying, irritating, aggravating. And you have to put up with their shiat. That can lead to all sorts of problems.
 
2014-06-27 10:22:35 PM  

McGrits: me,me, me, me, me, I, I ,I, I, I, me, me

did anyone finish the article? the premise sounded interesting


I never started because the web site refused to let me view the article without twelve seconds of staring at some ad.  Switching to another window paused the timer.

This is why geniuses go nuts.

wellbye.jpg
 
2014-06-28 12:30:47 PM  
Being a genius doesn't mean you are creative, and being creative doesn't mean you are having a banana party in your head.  If anything, having a mental illness can cause creativity by forcing the person suffering from it to work around it.  The challenge of overcoming an obstacle is what makes someone creative.  You have to reach the other side of a mountain: do you go over or around it?  Through or under it?  Develop matter teleportation or atomic explosives to just blast the thing out of the way?

I prefer the shortcut though a parallel dimension myself...
 
2014-06-28 02:50:55 PM  
As a mentally ill creative genius this is relevant to my interests...
 
2014-06-28 08:57:51 PM  
TL;DR further than the first couple of paragraphs. I think people forget that mental illness encompasses A LOT.
I probably wouldn't ever call myself mentally ill, but I've definitely suffered through major anxiety and depression.

I wonder if that sort of mental illness forces you to look at the world differently. Like your brain is all "self-destruct!" and you have to force yourself to rearrange your thoughts so that you're not thinking of doomsday scenarios etc.
 
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