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(Sydney Morning Herald)   Booze kills roughly three times as many people per year than guns. When will it be time to have a discussion about high capacity pint glasses and assault bourbons?   (m.smh.com.au) divider line 98
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2014-06-26 09:14:28 PM  
27 votes:
There are warning labels on liquor in the USA.

You can't carry an open beer around in the USA.

Minors, even under supervision, are prohibited from using liquor in the USA.

I can keep going. I can think of many many ways in which liquor is regulated in the USA with the purpose of minimizing the harm alcohol does to society. Similar measures with regards to guns are decried as draconian gun-grabbing anti-constitutional totalitarianism by the NRA crowd.
2014-06-26 11:55:16 PM  
8 votes:
I don't have to worry about a guy on the street trying to rob me with a bottle of schnapps.  If a kid finds his dad case of Coors he isn't going to kill himself or his friend with it.  A maniac can't use a fifth of rum to kill dozens of unsuspecting people.
2014-06-26 10:36:00 PM  
6 votes:

Bill_Wick's_Friend: There are warning labels on liquor in the USA.

You can't carry an open beer around in the USA.

Minors, even under supervision, are prohibited from using liquor in the USA.

I can keep going. I can think of many many ways in which liquor is regulated in the USA with the purpose of minimizing the harm alcohol does to society. Similar measures with regards to guns are decried as draconian gun-grabbing anti-constitutional totalitarianism by the NRA crowd.


By the way, your arguments here do fall flat. Firearms are heavily regulated. There are tons of warning labels on new firearms. Minors are prohibited from owning firearms. Carrying firearms (openly or concealed) is heavily regulated throughout the country, with each state having a different approach.

I see where you're coming from and I get it (the false equivalency argument) but the examples you set forth fall flat.
2014-06-27 03:21:39 AM  
3 votes:

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: I got no problem with any of that.

And GUN NUTS:

Keep on comparing guns to alcohol, swimming pools, knives and anything else you can think of. It's a really convincing argument and in no way makes you look like desperate idiots.


The comparison is valid.

Anti-gun drunks are hypocrites. There is no other purpose for alcohol than to use as a drug, and it actually is responsible for three times more deaths than guns each year, along with a shiat-load of violence and crimes.

The only reason people shiat their pants about guns is because guns make a loud noise and are often included as a movie/TV plot device. Nearly everyone I know has been affected by alcohol abuse at some time in their lives, and very few know anybody who has ever been shot.

If the goal is saving lives -- which is what drunken anti-gun nuts claim -- put down the bottle before you tell me what to do.
2014-06-27 02:29:56 AM  
3 votes:
This article isn't about guns, so why they got dragged into this argument baffles me. This is just about alcohol, which turns out to be pretty dangerous, obviously (seriously, if you didn't know that shiat was poison, then either you've never thrown up from drinking too much or you live on the moon). Just HOW dangerous, we seem to be in denial about, just as we were in denial about tobacco for a long time.

BUT - BUT - BUT

This doesn't mean it should be illegal. Oh, and nor should tobacco be illegal (though many people are pushing it in that direction).

/ IMHO even heroin should be legal to buy
// Take that as you will
/// Maybe time for a frank discussion of drug use itself and how to use drugs of all kinds in the safest and best manner
2014-06-26 11:29:57 PM  
3 votes:
Booooooze. It's what's for dinner.
2014-06-27 12:00:23 PM  
2 votes:

pueblonative: Lenny_da_Hog: pueblonative: HeadLever: pueblonative: "you're more worried about the deaths than the black eyes!"

I am more worried about you actually addressing the point instead of battling a straw man augments.  Just because you point deals with with a more serious outcome to a certain problem does not mean that it address the post you were responding to.

No, you're worried about somebody coming to take your toy, even when nobody in their right mind in this country has seriously proposed anything of the sort.  Stronger database checks and linking across state lines, controls, tracking and increased liability on guns from producer to retailer to seller (first, second, third, etc with none of this family & friends exemption bullshiat:  Ted Bundy's grandma probably thought he was so sweet he could only kill through diabetes), a fully funded ATF with a full time director.

And do the same with alcohol. You should have to pass a background check to purchase it. If you've ever been convicted of an alcohol-related crime, your ability to buy it should be curtailed or revoked. If you buy it for someone with revoked privileges, you should be charged.

Because the role of alcohol in a violent incident is exactly the same as that of a gun in a violent incident.


Of course not. The role of alcohol in a violent incident is much more prevalent than the use of a gun in a violent incident.
2014-06-27 08:46:20 AM  
2 votes:
Nobody ever suggested the answer to drunk driving is more liquor.
2014-06-27 03:33:25 AM  
2 votes:

edgar1981: Difference is, with booze you're only hurting yourself (unless you drive drunk, in which case fark you). My body should be mine to do as I please with, providing I don't hurt other people.


You're conveniently forgetting the part of alcohol being a factor in 40% of violent crimes.
2014-06-27 03:25:21 AM  
2 votes:

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Lenny_da_Hog: crab66: You can't prevent all drunk driving so why have any laws?

Gunnut logic.

Look, all we want is *reasonable* regulations on alcohol.

First, stop showing billions of dollars of ads aimed at young people, telling them they can only be happy if they're drunks.

Second, a simple background check at bars and liquor stores to prevent repeat offenders and the mentally ill from being able to buy alcohol.

Third, mandatory alcohol classes before you're allowed to drink. Show people under the influence vomiting, getting violent, and losing motor control. Show aging, liver-damaged drunks with bellies filled with ammonia, drooling because it's melting their brain.

But Noooo -- Big Alcohol owns legislatures everywhere and stops each and every reasonable step to stop those 88,000 deaths.

I got no problem with any of that.

And GUN NUTS:

Keep on comparing guns to alcohol, swimming pools, knives and anything else you can think of. It's a really convincing argument and in no way makes you look like desperate idiots.


Eh, the alcohol argument actually has some merit. The only reason people drink alcohol is for enjoyment.

The slight health benefits you *might* get from it (which only happens with significant moderation) can be found elsewhere with things that don't cause domestic violence, impaired driving, unplanned pregnancies, injuries, property damage, ect...

By contrast, guns can actually have a useful purpose in hunting and self protection.
2014-06-27 02:58:12 AM  
2 votes:

crab66: You can't prevent all drunk driving so why have any laws?

Gunnut logic.


Look, all we want is *reasonable* regulations on alcohol.

First, stop showing billions of dollars of ads aimed at young people, telling them they can only be happy if they're drunks.

Second, a simple background check at bars and liquor stores to prevent repeat offenders and the mentally ill from being able to buy alcohol.

Third, mandatory alcohol classes before you're allowed to drink. Show people under the influence vomiting, getting violent, and losing motor control. Show aging, liver-damaged drunks with bellies filled with ammonia, drooling because it's melting their brain.

But Noooo -- Big Alcohol owns legislatures everywhere and stops each and every reasonable step to stop those 88,000 deaths.
2014-06-27 02:49:23 AM  
2 votes:

Lenny_da_Hog: Alcohol, I'm told by people who like it, is also fun (although I don't see why a drug that just makes you stupid is fun).


It's easier to have fun when you're stupid, I guess. Little things amuse little minds.
2014-06-27 02:31:21 AM  
2 votes:

Vertdang: The difference here...
Booze is designed to get you drunk.
Guns are designed to end lives. That is their purpose. That is their ONLY purpose.

/and getting balls off the roof of the house
//have 3 guns myself, but I know what they're for, not this fantasy bullshiat of "saving lives". it's for ending them quickly.


They must be pretty bad at it, then, considering millions of rounds are fired in this country every day without any lives ending. I've shot thousands and thousands of rounds, and never fired at anything that was alive.

Things that go "bang!" are fun with physics. Fireworks and explosives are also fun.

Alcohol, I'm told by people who like it, is also fun (although I don't see why a drug that just makes you stupid is fun).
2014-06-27 02:08:51 AM  
2 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: Pokey.Clyde: TuteTibiImperes: Very few places have laws against carrying firearms in public.

Bullshiat. Whether a state allows open-carry and/or concealed-carry, there are plenty of rules and laws that determine who, what, when, where, why, and how one can or cannot carry a firearm in public.

/but keep farking that chicken, tute

Most places require that you take a short class and do a background check to get CCW permit.  It's not as if the regulations are tough.

Effectively anyone without a felony record can get one.


Move those goalposts often?  You said very few places have laws against carrying firearms in public. I told you that you were wrong, that in fact, all places have laws against carrying in public if you don't meet certain criteria. What the hell does how tough it is to get a CCW have to do with whether or not there are laws governing carrying a firearm in public? I'll tell you...not a damn thing.

/your chicken is sore and tired. Let it go to bed for the night.
2014-06-27 01:58:53 AM  
2 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: Pokey.Clyde: TuteTibiImperes: Very few places have laws against carrying firearms in public.

Bullshiat. Whether a state allows open-carry and/or concealed-carry, there are plenty of rules and laws that determine who, what, when, where, why, and how one can or cannot carry a firearm in public.

/but keep farking that chicken, tute

Most places require that you take a short class and do a background check to get CCW permit.  It's not as if the regulations are tough.

Effectively anyone without a felony record can get one.


When's the last time you had to undergo a background check to get booze? You can get convicted of boozecrime over and over again and still buy booze.
2014-06-27 01:44:17 AM  
2 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: Very few places have laws against carrying firearms in public.


Bullshiat. Whether a state allows open-carry and/or concealed-carry, there are plenty of rules and laws that determine who, what, when, where, why, and how one can or cannot carry a firearm in public.

/but keep farking that chicken, tute
2014-06-27 01:43:20 AM  
2 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: I don't have to worry about a guy on the street trying to rob me with a bottle of schnapps.  If a kid finds his dad case of Coors he isn't going to kill himself or his friend with it.  A maniac can't use a fifth of rum to kill dozens of unsuspecting people.


No, but with alcohol being associated with 40% of all violent crimes, you have to worry about the guy robbing you on the street after the bottle of schnapps, the kid killing himself after drinking the Coors, and the maniac running over dozens of unsuspecting people after the bottle of rum.
2014-06-27 01:25:04 AM  
2 votes:

Pokey.Clyde: There are also warning labels with guns


WARNING: The Surgeon General has determined that purchasing guns you intend to brag about to your friends and/or neighbors is a leading cause of douchebagginess.
2014-06-27 01:18:08 AM  
2 votes:

Bill_Wick's_Friend: There are warning labels on liquor in the USA.

You can't carry an open beer around in the USA.

Minors, even under supervision, are prohibited from using liquor in the USA.

I can keep going. I can think of many many ways in which liquor is regulated in the USA with the purpose of minimizing the harm alcohol does to society. Similar measures with regards to guns are decried as draconian gun-grabbing anti-constitutional totalitarianism by the NRA crowd.


So. You stupidly believe there are NO regulations on guns then? Otherwise your post has no point.
2014-06-27 12:47:16 AM  
2 votes:

Gecko Gingrich: Many states don't prohibit "open container". Ever been to Mardi Gras?

Many states allow minors to drink under adult supervision. Even been to a Mass?


That isn't wine, it's the literal blood of Jesus Christ.
It's called "Transubstantiation" and it's a totally real thing if you're a freaking idiot.
2014-06-27 12:47:16 AM  
2 votes:
Living is killing more and more people every day!

To date, life has a proven 100% mortality rate!

The more people that are born, the more keep dying!

WHEN ARE WE GOING TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS PEOPLE!?!?!?
2014-06-27 12:44:10 AM  
2 votes:
This is why everyone should carry booze with them at all times.
2014-06-27 12:42:24 AM  
2 votes:
...we did have that discussion.  It was called Prohibition. It was a colossal failure, mainly because the people who had an interest in keeping the booze flowing also had guns.
2014-06-27 12:41:21 AM  
2 votes:
I don't see why we can't ban alcohol from being served in large glasses. What difference does it make if you drink beer one ounce at a time instead of 12? It'll keep kids who don't know any better drinking too fast.

The ATF could make it simple, one bend of the wrist equals one shot.

Bill_Wick's_Friend: You can't carry an open beer around in the USA.


You can in some places and you can't in others. Same as guns.

Bill_Wick's_Friend: There are warning labels on liquor in the USA.


Guns have them too. Usually it's simple and just a red mark letting you know it's dangerous.

TuteTibiImperes: If a kid finds his dad case of Coors he isn't going to kill himself or his friend with it.


Well not if they point it at each other. If they drink it, yes, it can happen.
2014-06-27 12:36:50 AM  
2 votes:

Gecko Gingrich: Many states don't prohibit "open container". Ever been to Mardi Gras?

Many states allow minors to drink under adult supervision. Even been to a Mass?


Your weird example that Communion is "drinking" is even more bizarre than your argument over on the Politics tab that arguing against legal precedent is contempt of Constitution.


What the hell are you drinking?
2014-06-27 12:00:19 AM  
2 votes:
I don't object to people killing themselves with something, different situation.
2014-06-26 09:01:01 PM  
2 votes:
From my cold, dead hands!
2014-06-27 02:46:15 PM  
1 votes:
A few years back, my aunt (dad's side) died after having a few too many drinks at her birthday party and passing out on her back, on the bed. She suffocated on her own vomit.

My other aunt (dad's side) died after being killed by a drunk driver a year before that.

Two months ago, my uncle (mom's side) died of diabetic dehydration, caused by one too many whisky binges.

The number of family members killed by a gun: 0.
2014-06-27 01:15:19 PM  
1 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: I don't have to worry about a guy on the street trying to rob me with a bottle of schnapps.  If a kid finds his dad case of Coors he isn't going to kill himself or his friend with it.  A maniac can't use a fifth of rum to kill dozens of unsuspecting people.


Unless of course he gets behind the wheel of a car. Which happens to be one the main contributors to road way fatalities. Which also dwarf the number of people killed by guns.
2014-06-27 01:04:47 PM  
1 votes:

pueblonative: You mean moderated legislation that seeks to stem bad actors and make the industry more accountable as to a full on gun ban because the other side keeps refusing to compromise?


But you said this was getting easier and easier. Where are the results from 'us' making this easy for 'you'. Or are you lying about something? Again, you did not answer my question.  I'll post it again, in case you mis-read it the first time -what was you latest successful gun control legislation on the federal level?

It's a simple question.  Let's see if you have the intellectual honesty to directly answer.

I wish I was.

You wish you were what?
2014-06-27 12:50:07 PM  
1 votes:

pueblonative: Gun nuts are making that easier and easier.


You say that, but what was you latest successful gun control legislation on the federal level?  From the sound of your post, you should be passing legislation right an left. I'll be waiting right here for your response.
2014-06-27 12:26:42 PM  
1 votes:

stan unusual: No one formulates their alcoholic beverage with an eye to insuring it will kill you or anyone else.  Get it now?


Power companies don't burn coal with an eye to ensuring an increase in greenhouse gases, so it's okay that the ice caps are melting.
2014-06-27 12:22:27 PM  
1 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: thefatbasturd: TuteTibiImperes: moeburn:

But again, if I had to go to the states, a handgun would be the first thing on my list of necessities, because you're all farking nuts and I don't trust any of you.

Unfortunately that thought process is what's responsible for the sky-high rates of gun violence in the US.  The data is pretty clear that nations with more gun restrictions, less access to guns, and fewer guns on the streets have much lower rates of gun violence.  The US leads the developed world in both firearms per capita and gun deaths per capita.  Looking at the data compared to other developed nations the relationship is almost linear - we have about twice as many guns per capita as Switzerland, and a little over twice as many gun deaths per capita.  We have a little over 3x the guns per capita of France, and about 3x the per capita gun deaths.

The solution is so blindingly obvious that someone has to be monumentally thick not to get it - reduce the number of guns, and we'll reduce the number of gun deaths.

Most people have no problem taking guns from criminals, but they cling to their own vociferously.  They don't seem to get the connection that to make the entire country a safer place that they need to be willing to let their guns go.

You don't need a handgun in the US, you really don't need any gun, but I'd be willing to make exceptions for basic rifles and shotguns for hui hunters and those that choose to live out in the boonies where wild animal attacks could be an issue.  I've lived my entire life without owning a gun, and I've never been in a position where I've wished I had one.  Of my circle of friends none own guns, and none have ever needed one.

We can solve the problem, we just need to admit to ourselves that the world isn't such a scary place and that there's no reason for most of us to have guns.

You tell me how you plan to use a law/laws to take the guns from the criminals who by definition have no broblem ignoring laws and maybe we'll t ...


LOL.  Enjoy a huge black market and trying to un-invent something that can be made in a machine shop.  What was one of the arguments for ending prohibition on alcohol and more recently weed?

\"Gushing fountain of guns" phhh
\\ tell me what the fair market value would be...remember as supply decreases, demand (and value) increases, so the last gun in civilan hands would be worth MILLIONS, unless the government just gets to set the value for something they've just made illegal, in which case the value would be set at $0, that's called confiscation
2014-06-27 12:17:22 PM  
1 votes:

pueblonative: No, you're worried about somebody coming to take your toy, even when nobody in their right mind in this country has seriously proposed anything of the sort.


No I am not, but I am starting to figure out how you argue things.  Take a point and rebut it with something that has absolutely nothing to do with the original point.

It is no wonder why the gun grabbers have failed at pretty much every attempt they have undertaken in the last few decades.  If you are going to change this, starting to be intellectually honest about the issue will be the first step.  If you cannot lift yourself to some basic level of integrity regarding this issue, then I guess you just need to be content in your failures.

It is your choice.
2014-06-27 11:50:30 AM  
1 votes:

Lenny_da_Hog: pueblonative: HeadLever: pueblonative: "you're more worried about the deaths than the black eyes!"

I am more worried about you actually addressing the point instead of battling a straw man augments.  Just because you point deals with with a more serious outcome to a certain problem does not mean that it address the post you were responding to.

No, you're worried about somebody coming to take your toy, even when nobody in their right mind in this country has seriously proposed anything of the sort.  Stronger database checks and linking across state lines, controls, tracking and increased liability on guns from producer to retailer to seller (first, second, third, etc with none of this family & friends exemption bullshiat:  Ted Bundy's grandma probably thought he was so sweet he could only kill through diabetes), a fully funded ATF with a full time director.

And do the same with alcohol. You should have to pass a background check to purchase it. If you've ever been convicted of an alcohol-related crime, your ability to buy it should be curtailed or revoked. If you buy it for someone with revoked privileges, you should be charged.


Because the role of alcohol in a violent incident is exactly the same as that of a gun in a violent incident.
2014-06-27 11:44:52 AM  
1 votes:

pueblonative: HeadLever: pueblonative: "you're more worried about the deaths than the black eyes!"

I am more worried about you actually addressing the point instead of battling a straw man augments.  Just because you point deals with with a more serious outcome to a certain problem does not mean that it address the post you were responding to.

No, you're worried about somebody coming to take your toy, even when nobody in their right mind in this country has seriously proposed anything of the sort.  Stronger database checks and linking across state lines, controls, tracking and increased liability on guns from producer to retailer to seller (first, second, third, etc with none of this family & friends exemption bullshiat:  Ted Bundy's grandma probably thought he was so sweet he could only kill through diabetes), a fully funded ATF with a full time director.


And do the same with alcohol. You should have to pass a background check to purchase it. If you've ever been convicted of an alcohol-related crime, your ability to buy it should be curtailed or revoked. If you buy it for someone with revoked privileges, you should be charged.
2014-06-27 11:35:48 AM  
1 votes:

TwistedIvory: Bill_Wick's_Friend: There are warning labels on liquor in the USA.

You can't carry an open beer around in the USA.

Minors, even under supervision, are prohibited from using liquor in the USA.

I can keep going. I can think of many many ways in which liquor is regulated in the USA with the purpose of minimizing the harm alcohol does to society. Similar measures with regards to guns are decried as draconian gun-grabbing anti-constitutional totalitarianism by the NRA crowd.

By the way, your arguments here do fall flat. Firearms are heavily regulated. There are tons of warning labels on new firearms. Minors are prohibited from owning firearms. Carrying firearms (openly or concealed) is heavily regulated throughout the country, with each state having a different approach.

I see where you're coming from and I get it (the false equivalency argument) but the examples you set forth fall flat.


Seems they contradict his arguement - If alcohol has all these restrictions and STILL accounts for 3x as many deaths.. clearly the restrictions are useless and won't have any impact on guns either.
2014-06-27 11:24:47 AM  
1 votes:
All I wanted was some booze porn to get me through Friday at work.  Somehow the gun crazies showed up and ruined my booze thread.  Give it a rest fellas.  Go have a beer.
2014-06-27 11:23:10 AM  
1 votes:

pueblonative: Lenny_da_Hog: Meanwhile, many of those homicides are driven by alcohol. So be consistent. Be for further restrictions on alcohol if you want to restrict guns.

is "many" a statistical term?


There's a great little table on page 2 of this PDF.

For homicide and attempted homicide of women by their domestic partners, 35.1% of assailants were drunk every day, 49.2% were considered problem drinkers.

For women abused (but not killed/attempted), those numbers go down to 11.6 and 31.1%, respectively.

For non-abused women, 1.2% of their partners were drunk every day, and 6.2% were problem drinkers.

Just be consistent. If you want to reduce violence, be against alcohol as much as you're against guns.
2014-06-27 11:17:17 AM  
1 votes:

pueblonative: "you're more worried about the deaths than the black eyes!"


I am more worried about you actually addressing the point instead of battling a straw man augments.  Just because you point deals with with a more serious outcome to a certain problem does not mean that it address the post you were responding to.
2014-06-27 11:08:01 AM  
1 votes:

pueblonative: Lenny_da_Hog: I think it's safe to say that there are many more incidences of domestic violence involving alcohol than involving guns, even if you were to eliminate the ones that involve both guns and alcohol.

if it's safe I shouldn't have to go far on the internet to find evidence.  Oh, here I go:

Women face immense danger from guns in the hands of their intimate partners. From 1990-1999, 63% of the female homicides by intimate partners involved guns.1 Having one or more guns in the home make a woman 7.2 times more likely to be murdered by her intimate partner.2 According to a study of crime data from 1976-1987, more women were shot and killed by a husband or intimate acquaintance than were murdered by strangers using firearms, knives, or any other means.3


So, don't know exactly about the incident, but I do know that a gun increases the chances of that swollen eye being exchanged for rigor mortis.


Your evidence does not address his point in the slightest.  The amount of domestic violence due to alcohol is not accounted for and cannot be compared to the information that you posted.  Plus the information you posted only accounts for deaths and not account for domestic violence.
2014-06-27 11:04:16 AM  
1 votes:

pueblonative: Lenny_da_Hog: I think it's safe to say that there are many more incidences of domestic violence involving alcohol than involving guns, even if you were to eliminate the ones that involve both guns and alcohol.

if it's safe I shouldn't have to go far on the internet to find evidence.  Oh, here I go:

Women face immense danger from guns in the hands of their intimate partners. From 1990-1999, 63% of the female homicides by intimate partners involved guns.1 Having one or more guns in the home make a woman 7.2 times more likely to be murdered by her intimate partner.2 According to a study of crime data from 1976-1987, more women were shot and killed by a husband or intimate acquaintance than were murdered by strangers using firearms, knives, or any other means.3


So, don't know exactly about the incident, but I do know that a gun increases the chances of that swollen eye being exchanged for rigor mortis.


Meanwhile, many of those homicides are driven by alcohol. So be consistent. Be for further restrictions on alcohol if you want to restrict guns.
2014-06-27 10:54:25 AM  
1 votes:

pueblonative: I even hear that there is this new type of weapon. One that can project these hard metel objects called bullets. You don't think that will catch on, do you? Oh shiat i think I need another trip to the store.


I wonder why the gun stores don't have intimidating bouncers at the door, but alcohol establishments regularly employ them.

It's almost as if the people who sell booze associate it with violence and have to be prepared for it.
2014-06-27 10:43:52 AM  
1 votes:
We should totally make things I don't like illegal, because i like controlling other people's lives.

Unless we are talking about something I do like, of course. Then all those other busybody assholes should mind their own business.
2014-06-27 10:39:10 AM  
1 votes:

pueblonative: Lenny_da_Hog: pueblonative: Lenny_da_Hog: pueblonative: HeadLever: pueblonative: At the best it's the lesser of two evils. At worse it's a jack off like you showing off and being "the man of the house"

At the best, it is protection, at the worse, it makes pueblonative project something that most folks that own guns could really care less about. That is not a real negative for gun owners, BTW.

Yeah cause gun owners don't ever verbally mastubate about that one time where they were minding their own business walking around the grocery store when all of a sudden two robbers come in with rifles and it was a good thing for all those pants-wetting gun grabbers they has their handgun, got the drop on those two and saved the day.

Drunks fantasize about killing people who look at them.

I don't think those fantasies involve shooting two boubon shots into their victims point blank.

No, they usually involve killing people with whatever weapons are available. That's why alcohol is a factor in forty percent of violent crimes.

WHATCHU LOOKIN' AT? HUH? WHATCHU LOOKIN' AT?

So what percentage are weapons a factor in?


I think it's safe to say that there are many more incidences of domestic violence involving alcohol than involving guns, even if you were to eliminate the ones that involve both guns and alcohol.
2014-06-27 10:37:26 AM  
1 votes:

pueblonative: So what percentage are weapons a factor in?


First define "weapon".  Fists?  Full liquor glass bottles?  Empty beer bottles? Tables and chairs?  Pocket knifes?  Pool sticks?
2014-06-27 10:33:04 AM  
1 votes:

moeburn: NicktheSmoker: moeburn: I've said it before.  I'm glad handguns are illegal where I live - the best you can get is a bolt action hunting rifle, and even those are pretty damn hard to get.  And yes, we still have handgun deaths and violent crime, but nowhere near as much as you guys have in the USA.

That being said, I would never travel to Afghanistan without a gun.  I would never travel to Somalia without a gun.  And I would never go to your hell hole of a country, the USA, without a gun.

Man, you and pueblonaive should get a room, and jerk each other off. Seems you're the only two morons still talking about dumb shiat.  You even said you still have gun violence, but now you can literally do nothing about it. That sounds awesome. Hope that works out well for you.

I don't even... what?

Okay, I crossed out all the "dumb shiat" and left the actual argument you made.  Yes, we still have gun violence, but if you will notice the second half of that sentence, WE HAVE A LOT LESS THAN YOU!  And "You can literally do nothing about it"?  If you're referring to reducing gun violence - sure we can, from better school programs, community services, outreach programs, better jobs for young people, partial legalization of illicit trades, better welfare programs...  If you're referring to a specific instance when someone pulls a gun on you, no, you're right, you won't have a gun to pull on them.  But considering the chances of A) someone pulling a gun on me, and B) me having the opportunity to actually get my gun out without getting shot in the process, I'd much rather keep handguns illegal than keep one for myself.

But again, if I had to go to the states, a handgun would be the first thing on my list of necessities, because you're all farking nuts and I don't trust any of you.


Its a regular wild west out here partner. Just the other day I was passing by the saloon (on the way to the outhouse obviously) where Jim Bob shot ol' Charlie Mansford dead over a game of cards.

/murica
2014-06-27 10:32:54 AM  
1 votes:

pueblonative: I don't think those fantasies involve shooting two boubon shots into their victims point blank.


Why not?  Beer bottles are the weapon of choice in many a bar brawl.  Break one on the table and you now have an assault bottle that can bludgeon and stab.
2014-06-27 10:31:02 AM  
1 votes:

pueblonative: Lenny_da_Hog: pueblonative: HeadLever: pueblonative: At the best it's the lesser of two evils. At worse it's a jack off like you showing off and being "the man of the house"

At the best, it is protection, at the worse, it makes pueblonative project something that most folks that own guns could really care less about. That is not a real negative for gun owners, BTW.

Yeah cause gun owners don't ever verbally mastubate about that one time where they were minding their own business walking around the grocery store when all of a sudden two robbers come in with rifles and it was a good thing for all those pants-wetting gun grabbers they has their handgun, got the drop on those two and saved the day.

Drunks fantasize about killing people who look at them.

I don't think those fantasies involve shooting two boubon shots into their victims point blank.


No, they usually involve killing people with whatever weapons are available. That's why alcohol is a factor in forty percent of violent crimes.

WHATCHU LOOKIN' AT? HUH? WHATCHU LOOKIN' AT?
2014-06-27 10:26:31 AM  
1 votes:

pueblonative: Seems to me a person looking to get on tv with their story about how they had to "protect themselves" has a very good motive to find situations where they have to "protect themselves" rather than do the smart thing such as get out of danger lest ITTs like Fred NeedsSomeHead accuses them of hiding while the kids and wife get shot.


And with drunks, you don't need any reason at all to beat your wife to death. Just sit in jail singing Glenn Campbell's "Rhinestone Cowboy," and in the morning they'll tell you what you did the night before. Then you can say, "Gee, I don't know why I did that. I must have been pretty drunk."
2014-06-27 10:26:08 AM  
1 votes:

pueblonative: Seems to me a person looking to get on tv with their story about how they had to "protect themselves" has a very good motive to find situations where they have to "protect themselves" rather than do the smart thing such as get out of danger lest ITTs like Fred NeedsSomeHead accuses them of hiding while the kids and wife get shot.


So someone needs to insert themselves into danger with the likelihood of getting shot (and maybe killed) just so they can get on TV?

This actually makes sense to you?  Wow dude.  Not sure if you are trolling or mentally ill.  Maybe both?
2014-06-27 10:15:42 AM  
1 votes:

LazerFish: thefatbasturd: Yeah keep telling yourself and your brain dead friends that is the argument being made and you can ignore the actual FACTS that are really being pointed out to you.

Facts are great, but RELEVANT facts are what matter.


And the FACT that if your supposed goal is "preventing death", the numbers show that gun deaths are actually MUCH rarer than you try to make them out and that there are many things causing death at a MUCH higher rate you could spend your time working on is pretty relevant.
2014-06-27 10:06:18 AM  
1 votes:

thefatbasturd: I know this is easier than fighting actual logic,


It is always much easier to knock down a strawman than a real man.
2014-06-27 10:06:03 AM  
1 votes:

IlGreven: ...we did have that discussion.  It was called Prohibition. It was a colossal failure, mainly because the people who had an interest in keeping the booze flowing also had guns.


I see your knowledge of why prohibition failed is lacking.
2014-06-27 09:50:32 AM  
1 votes:

ModernPrimitive01: Not a lot of people get shot voluntarily (outside of suicides).


For the ones that die by being shot, Suicide is the leading cause. It is about twice as likely as homicide
2014-06-27 09:45:52 AM  
1 votes:

KarmicDisaster: I don't object to people killing themselves with something, different situation.


You're aware most gun deaths are self inflicted..
2014-06-27 09:42:42 AM  
1 votes:

Fart_Machine: The new study, published on Thursday in Preventing Chronic Disease, a journal from the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention

If the Booze Lobby had any clout they'd be able to shut down these studies like the NRA did with gun violence.


The NRA doesnt give two shiats about studies on gun violence. They do give two shiats about government funded propaganda pieces. Read some of those studies. They were laughably awful and of no scientific merit. Liberals were using government grants to create propaganda.
2014-06-27 09:36:50 AM  
1 votes:

Joe Blowme: ModernPrimitive01: people usually voluntarily consume booze. Not a lot of people get shot voluntarily (outside of suicides). If people were running around forcing 30 ounces of liquor down people's throats against their will I would probably be in favor of keeping glasses to 10 ounces and below

So people choose to get hit and killed or maimed by drunk drivers? Who knew?


Yep, I had a friend who did that once.  He was so excited to get hit that night!
2014-06-27 09:33:20 AM  
1 votes:

ModernPrimitive01: people usually voluntarily consume booze. Not a lot of people get shot voluntarily (outside of suicides). If people were running around forcing 30 ounces of liquor down people's throats against their will I would probably be in favor of keeping glasses to 10 ounces and below


So people choose to get hit and killed or maimed by drunk drivers? Who knew?
2014-06-27 09:28:16 AM  
1 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: I don't have to worry about a guy on the street trying to rob me with a bottle of schnapps.  If a kid finds his dad case of Coors he isn't going to kill himself or his friend with it.  A maniac can't use a fifth of rum to kill dozens of unsuspecting people.


Or kid, finds dads booze and then gets smashed and drives somewhere.  Plenty of maniacs use alcohol and end up killing people.  That was the point of the article.  Ban one, need to ban the other then. Also, you forgot alcohol can't defend yourself or your property.  At least guns, in my opinion, also have a positive use. Alcohol does not.
2014-06-27 09:00:13 AM  
1 votes:

Bill_Wick's_Friend: There are warning labels on liquor in the USA.

You can't carry an open beer around in the USA.

Minors, even under supervision, are prohibited from using liquor in the USA.

I can keep going. I can think of many many ways in which liquor is regulated in the USA with the purpose of minimizing the harm alcohol does to society. Similar measures with regards to guns are decried as draconian gun-grabbing anti-constitutional totalitarianism by the NRA crowd.


gee, there really is no difference between a constitutional right and beer... learn something new everyday
2014-06-27 08:40:24 AM  
1 votes:

Bill_Wick's_Friend: There are warning labels on liquor in the USA.

You can't carry an open beer around in the USA.

Minors, even under supervision, are prohibited from using liquor in the USA.

I can keep going. I can think of many many ways in which liquor is regulated in the USA with the purpose of minimizing the harm alcohol does to society. Similar measures with regards to guns are decried as draconian gun-grabbing anti-constitutional totalitarianism by the NRA crowd.


This post and the number of votes it gets tells me that for a group of people who claim to not watch fox news, they have the average intelligence of a fox news viewer.
2014-06-27 08:38:49 AM  
1 votes:

LazerFish: "time to ban" posts are  so farking hackneyed


I agree... It's time to ban these posts!

Theory Of Null: This is why everyone should carry booze with them at all times.


Let's all carry a big 1.75L bottle of whisky into Chipotle and wave it around menacingly at everyone, while posing for pictures!
2014-06-27 08:35:52 AM  
1 votes:
Everybody gotta die sometime, Red.
www.imfdb.org
2014-06-27 08:29:57 AM  
1 votes:

Bill_Wick's_Friend: There are warning labels on liquor in the USA.

You can't carry an open beer around in the USA.

Minors, even under supervision, are prohibited from using liquor in the USA.

I can keep going. I can think of many many ways in which liquor is regulated in the USA with the purpose of minimizing the harm alcohol does to society. Similar measures with regards to guns are decried as draconian gun-grabbing anti-constitutional totalitarianism by the NRA crowd.


So you're telling me that all those laws are in place for alcohol yet there are still over double as many alcohol deaths than firearms deaths, and think this will be affected by more fun laws.... How?
2014-06-27 08:09:47 AM  
1 votes:

violentsalvation: TuteTibiImperes: A maniac can't use a fifth of rum to kill dozens of unsuspecting people.

Maybe if he quietly chains the doors shut and turns the fifth into a molotov.

I'm sick of farking gun threads.

This is a booze thread, anybody drinking anything interesting?



You, sir, are a hero for pivoting this woe begotten thread.

Vodka. With a little fresh lime juice and San Pellegrino lemon soda. More refreshing than Sprite.
2014-06-27 06:51:58 AM  
1 votes:
Guns make me feel icky and since I don't like them then no one should have one
2014-06-27 05:26:05 AM  
1 votes:

taurusowner: Tunney: taurusowner: some_beer_drinker: getting drunk as a form of enjoyment is more important than you killing some farking animals, or burglars.

No. You don't. The odds of you getting a flat tire are pretty low. The odds of you having a fire in your house are even lower. But fire spare tires, jacks, fire extinguishers, and smoke detectors are still great ideas no matter what the odds are. And don't try to deflect with the "yeah but those aren't designed to hurt people" trope. You brought up the odds of something bad happening as a reason not to own a tool. That point is hollow.

And the odds sure as shiat didn't manner to all the people who in fact do encounter home invasions. Even less to the ones who were assaulted, raped, or murdered.


What I suggest is that you continue to live in fear of being murdered by a burglar and I'll continue to get drunk. Let's see who has the better time.
2014-06-27 05:11:49 AM  
1 votes:

Tunney: taurusowner: some_beer_drinker: getting drunk as a form of enjoyment is more important than you killing some farking animals, or burglars.

Yes. Getting wasted is certainly more important than being able to keep yourself from being murdered. Farking idiot.

I've been wasted many times but I've yet to be murdered by a burglar. You've got to factor in the odds.


No. You don't. The odds of you getting a flat tire are pretty low. The odds of you having a fire in your house are even lower. But fire spare tires, jacks, fire extinguishers, and smoke detectors are still great ideas no matter what the odds are. And don't try to deflect with the "yeah but those aren't designed to hurt people" trope. You brought up the odds of something bad happening as a reason not to own a tool. That point is hollow.

And the odds sure as shiat didn't manner to all the people who in fact do encounter home invasions. Even less to the ones who were assaulted, raped, or murdered.
2014-06-27 05:04:22 AM  
1 votes:

tinyarena: I like the way you think. Strike at the heart.


Being literate in history, I'm strongly against any form of gun control that doesn't start with the government.  But I can respect the position of those who want to repeal the Second Amendment, even while disagreeing with it.  The Constitution was intended as a living document, and it contains provisions for its own modification.  A repeal movement, unlike the death-by-a-thousand-pointless-cuts approach of traditional gun control policy, is part of a legitimate democratic process.
2014-06-27 05:02:24 AM  
1 votes:

taurusowner: some_beer_drinker: getting drunk as a form of enjoyment is more important than you killing some farking animals, or burglars.

Yes. Getting wasted is certainly more important than being able to keep yourself from being murdered. Farking idiot.


I've been wasted many times but I've yet to be murdered by a burglar. You've got to factor in the odds.
2014-06-27 04:49:59 AM  
1 votes:
Death by alcohol can be considered suicide, and as such it should be excluded in line with the gun-death statistics....
2014-06-27 03:16:39 AM  
1 votes:

Lenny_da_Hog: crab66: You can't prevent all drunk driving so why have any laws?

Gunnut logic.

Look, all we want is *reasonable* regulations on alcohol.

First, stop showing billions of dollars of ads aimed at young people, telling them they can only be happy if they're drunks.

Second, a simple background check at bars and liquor stores to prevent repeat offenders and the mentally ill from being able to buy alcohol.

Third, mandatory alcohol classes before you're allowed to drink. Show people under the influence vomiting, getting violent, and losing motor control. Show aging, liver-damaged drunks with bellies filled with ammonia, drooling because it's melting their brain.

But Noooo -- Big Alcohol owns legislatures everywhere and stops each and every reasonable step to stop those 88,000 deaths.


I got no problem with any of that.

And GUN NUTS:

Keep on comparing guns to alcohol, swimming pools, knives and anything else you can think of. It's a really convincing argument and in no way makes you look like desperate idiots.
2014-06-27 03:16:30 AM  
1 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: I don't have to worry about a guy on the street trying to rob me with a bottle of schnapps.  If a kid finds his dad case of Coors he isn't going to kill himself or his friend with it.  A maniac can't use a fifth of rum to kill dozens of unsuspecting people.


Because drunk driving accidents never involve minors...

That's why all of those fire departments and police stations waste everyone's tax dollars every spring with mock drunk driving crashes at the local high school.

/seriously dude, I hope you're being ironic here.
//I'm not even going to waste my time addressing the other two at this point.
2014-06-27 02:51:06 AM  
1 votes:
You can't prevent all drunk driving so why have any laws?

Gunnut logic.
2014-06-27 02:19:11 AM  
1 votes:
The difference here...
Booze is designed to get you drunk.
Guns are designed to end lives. That is their purpose. That is their ONLY purpose.


/and getting balls off the roof of the house
//have 3 guns myself, but I know what they're for, not this fantasy bullshiat of "saving lives". it's for ending them quickly.
2014-06-27 02:07:21 AM  
1 votes:
The differences are subtle, maybe this will help:

Guns:
img.fark.net

Alcohol:
www.aculyinternet.de
2014-06-27 01:57:24 AM  
1 votes:
Life is a terminal condition with a 100% fatality rate. The number of extra years you spend in diapers does not significantly increase your rank on the cosmic leaderboard.
2014-06-27 01:46:26 AM  
1 votes:
It's pretty obvious that alcohol use is just compensation for your small penis.
2014-06-27 01:43:05 AM  
1 votes:

ladodger34: I'll just add to the cider discussion. My wife hates beer, but really likes cider, especially when I brew a batch for her at home. She hasn't ever been a huge fan of Smirnoff type of stuff and cider is a nice alternative to wine.

As for hoppy craft brews, I will say that I even though love IPAs, I really try to avoid them when I hit up BevMo and such. Some of our local breweries here in SoCal (Hangar 24 for example) are turning out really good styles that aren't IPAs. Heck, even Stone makes a vanilla porter that is killer and they've never said no to adding more hops (love Stone alot, but I think they should get the lion's share of the blame for hop bombs being the norm)


Stone Smoked Porter is one of the few porters/stouts that I really like.  As far as CA beers go, I really have a hard time thinking of anything better than Sierra Nevada Pale Ale.  Sure, it stretches the limits of what can be considered craft beer, but on the plus side it's available pretty much everywhere.  It's just the perfect balance of flavor, hoppyness, bitterness, and drinkability, plus it has some really nice citrus notes.

I think a lot of people write it off like Sam Adams as a mega brew masquerading as a craft brew because they're so big, but it really is a quality product.
2014-06-27 01:33:56 AM  
1 votes:
All fun n games until you get your liver yanked out due to it being covered in gang green.
Buddy would not listen to anyone, he knew it all.. drank EVERY SINGLE DAY. Drank 45 beers in a day when there was a derecho forecast (this was after we had been hit by one and had no power for weeks and his excuse was, he didn't want to drink  it HOT like last time... yes, I meant to input the number 45!!!!).
I enjoy a good drink but very picky on beer - it has to have a very strong, full flavor; stuff like Bud Light just doesn't cut it anymore. And, that muddy water, thick shiat - good way to start a fight by handing me that crap.
I prefer good whiskey / scotch.  Have a $100+ bottle of Chivas Regal waiting to be cracked once some friends are all free at the same time (lol even bought a case of bar glass JUST to drink it with - case was 36 in number, not 24 for some reason. Plus a matching, large glass ice bucket.. then stumbled across a mirror in same search, so bought it, too.... Had just sold a few computers and made multiple repairs, so went a little overboard). Crown, Bean, even Seagram's... ONLY one I have a dislike for is Jack - after drinking a bottle at 15, and being sick for 3 days, just the smell pisses me off (and started a bar fight when a smart ass tried to make me smell a shot of it and splashed it in my nose).

But, in all seriousness... I wish I had known of something to do for my long time friend to MAKE him slow down or stop! )no, I do not drink much... I still have MOST of a case left from TWO birthdays ago when I was given 2 cases and multple 40oz of my fav beer as gifts from friends).  I TRIED to talk him into AA meetings, church meetings, involving his family, suggesting getting the drug where if you drink on it, it would make u sick...  I tried everything I could think of; he wound up in THREE hospitals in 2 states then recovery for a grand total of over a month to heal up.
Honestly, now that he stopped drinking (they say if he drinks as little as one alcoholic beverage, it could actually kill him), he is the most boring person on the planet. His GF can't hardly even get him to go to a store (if he wasn;t fishing out money for a new house... I'd lay $1,000 cash he wouldn't have that GF).
Anyhow.. if in my same spot with a friend drinking too much.. SEE if you can try something more.. I just have no idea what more there can be done.

/yeah yeah CSB BS.. just tossing that out there for anyone who has a friend of... well, since 8th grade so 33 years being friends.  Really bums your shiat not to go out for a cold one with best bud anymore because wouldn't listen.  MAYBE telling this story could help just one person? Convince them.
2014-06-27 01:23:33 AM  
1 votes:
"time to ban" posts are  so farking hackneyed
2014-06-27 01:20:21 AM  
1 votes:

Giltric: TuteTibiImperes: Assault is illegal even if you aren't under the influence of alcohol.

TuteTibiImperes: mod3072: TuteTibiImperes: I don't have to worry about a guy on the street trying to rob me with a bottle of schnapps.  If a kid finds his dad case of Coors he isn't going to kill himself or his friend with it.  A maniac can't use a fifth of rum to kill dozens of unsuspecting people.

Exactly! Alcohol ONLY hurts the people who use it and has no effect whatsoever on family members and/or complete strangers. Well, unless those people drink that booze and then climb behind the wheel of their SUV and mow down your entire family as you walk down the street. Or, I suppose, if they get drunk and violent and stab you in the face for eyeballin' their woman. Or if your parent/spouse/whoever likes to get hammered and then use you as a punching bag. Other than that though, alcohol abuse is pretty much victimless, unlike those scary guns that constantly thirst for the blood of the innocent.

Assault is illegal even if you aren't under the influence of alcohol.  Drunk driving is alcohol related, sure, but it's also illegal, and the police can legally set up checkpoints to check for drunk drivers, or pull people over if they suspect they are driving drunk.

The closest gun equivalent to drunk driving would be concealed and open carry.  It takes the risk of gun ownership and brings it into the public, just like drunk driving takes the risk of alcohol consumption and brings it into the public.  The big difference is that we believe people have the constitutional right to carry guns around.  The police can't set up checkpoints to see if people are carrying legally or illegally, and they can't pull people over based on the suspicious of a gun in the vehicle.

Outlawing something doesn't make it go away, but we as a country are pretty damn harsh on drunk drivers.

Checkpoints are illegal in a dozen states or so as per state law or interpretation of state constitution.

Shooting someo ...


Most places have laws about open containers and public intoxication, everywhere has laws against drunk driving to mitigate the risks.  Very few places have laws against carrying firearms in public.
2014-06-27 01:14:23 AM  
1 votes:
Propose a ban on 30 round magazines? fark you.

Propose a ban on 30 packs of beer? fark you.
2014-06-27 01:10:08 AM  
1 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: mod3072: TuteTibiImperes: I don't have to worry about a guy on the street trying to rob me with a bottle of schnapps.  If a kid finds his dad case of Coors he isn't going to kill himself or his friend with it.  A maniac can't use a fifth of rum to kill dozens of unsuspecting people.

Exactly! Alcohol ONLY hurts the people who use it and has no effect whatsoever on family members and/or complete strangers. Well, unless those people drink that booze and then climb behind the wheel of their SUV and mow down your entire family as you walk down the street. Or, I suppose, if they get drunk and violent and stab you in the face for eyeballin' their woman. Or if your parent/spouse/whoever likes to get hammered and then use you as a punching bag. Other than that though, alcohol abuse is pretty much victimless, unlike those scary guns that constantly thirst for the blood of the innocent.

Assault is illegal even if you aren't under the influence of alcohol.  Drunk driving is alcohol related, sure, but it's also illegal, and the police can legally set up checkpoints to check for drunk drivers, or pull people over if they suspect they are driving drunk.

The closest gun equivalent to drunk driving would be concealed and open carry.  It takes the risk of gun ownership and brings it into the public, just like drunk driving takes the risk of alcohol consumption and brings it into the public.  The big difference is that we believe people have the constitutional right to carry guns around.  The police can't set up checkpoints to see if people are carrying legally or illegally, and they can't pull people over based on the suspicious of a gun in the vehicle.

Outlawing something doesn't make it go away, but we as a country are pretty damn harsh on drunk drivers.


Murder is already illegal even if you don't use a gun. Assault is illegal even if you don't use a gun. We're pretty damn harsh on murderers too.
2014-06-27 01:06:33 AM  
1 votes:

mod3072: TuteTibiImperes: I don't have to worry about a guy on the street trying to rob me with a bottle of schnapps.  If a kid finds his dad case of Coors he isn't going to kill himself or his friend with it.  A maniac can't use a fifth of rum to kill dozens of unsuspecting people.

Exactly! Alcohol ONLY hurts the people who use it and has no effect whatsoever on family members and/or complete strangers. Well, unless those people drink that booze and then climb behind the wheel of their SUV and mow down your entire family as you walk down the street. Or, I suppose, if they get drunk and violent and stab you in the face for eyeballin' their woman. Or if your parent/spouse/whoever likes to get hammered and then use you as a punching bag. Other than that though, alcohol abuse is pretty much victimless, unlike those scary guns that constantly thirst for the blood of the innocent.


Assault is illegal even if you aren't under the influence of alcohol.  Drunk driving is alcohol related, sure, but it's also illegal, and the police can legally set up checkpoints to check for drunk drivers, or pull people over if they suspect they are driving drunk.

The closest gun equivalent to drunk driving would be concealed and open carry.  It takes the risk of gun ownership and brings it into the public, just like drunk driving takes the risk of alcohol consumption and brings it into the public.  The big difference is that we believe people have the constitutional right to carry guns around.  The police can't set up checkpoints to see if people are carrying legally or illegally, and they can't pull people over based on the suspicious of a gun in the vehicle.

Outlawing something doesn't make it go away, but we as a country are pretty damn harsh on drunk drivers.
2014-06-27 01:02:09 AM  
1 votes:

violentsalvation: This is a booze thread, anybody drinking anything interesting?


Small's Gin, freezer temperature, no ice.  Good on it's own, but I make it more interesting by chucking a piece of fruit in.  It just gives a little juice to the gin, then at the end I get a gin-infused treat.  Tonight was pineapple, which worked better than I expected.
2014-06-27 01:01:36 AM  
1 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: I don't have to worry about a guy on the street trying to rob me with a bottle of schnapps.  If a kid finds his dad case of Coors he isn't going to kill himself or his friend with it.  A maniac can't use a fifth of rum to kill dozens of unsuspecting people.


Exactly! Alcohol ONLY hurts the people who use it and has no effect whatsoever on family members and/or complete strangers. Well, unless those people drink that booze and then climb behind the wheel of their SUV and mow down your entire family as you walk down the street. Or, I suppose, if they get drunk and violent and stab you in the face for eyeballin' their woman. Or if your parent/spouse/whoever likes to get hammered and then use you as a punching bag. Other than that though, alcohol abuse is pretty much victimless, unlike those scary guns that constantly thirst for the blood of the innocent.
2014-06-27 12:54:26 AM  
1 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: I don't have to worry about a guy on the street trying to rob me with a bottle of schnapps.   If a kid finds his dad case of Coors he isn't going to kill himself or his friend with it.  A maniac can't use a fifth of rum to kill dozens of unsuspecting people.


No the car they get into will. Or they will get into an argument depending upon what personality manifests when they drink and maybe get all stabby over which way the toilet paper goes on the rack.
2014-06-27 12:53:57 AM  
1 votes:

violentsalvation: MaudlinMutantMollusk: violentsalvation: TuteTibiImperes: A maniac can't use a fifth of rum to kill dozens of unsuspecting people.

Maybe if he quietly chains the doors shut and turns the fifth into a molotov.

I'm sick of farking gun threads.

This is a booze thread, anybody drinking anything interesting?

Angry Orchard Traditional Dry hard cider

/I drink my apple a day
//ok... several apples

It's weird to see so many hard ciders popping up, especially out of what I'd been accustomed to considering the cider seasons, fall and winter, but apparently they are really earning their spots on the shelf just like the craft brews. I've never drank hard cider from a store, I bet they hit the spot on a cold day. But right now, a cold day would hit the spot even more.


I think there is a growing segment of the market who, rightly or wrongly (I'm not judging here), feel that there are certain things in beer that interact with their bodies in undesirable ways. I've heard people mention the yeast, gluten, hops, calories, carbs, and everything-but-the-water in beer as the offending party. Pair that with the uptick of smaller cider brands pushing a more dry and flavorful product, and I think we're seeing a lot more acceptance of cider as a viable addition to the drinking landscape.

Oh, and I'm sipping on some hombrew gueze.
2014-06-27 12:52:53 AM  
1 votes:
Let's have the discussion when distillers start optimizing their product for its lethality or its knock down power and sell it to us as a means of defending our homes against the government's "jack booted thugs" or home invaders.  Until then, just STFU.
2014-06-27 12:52:46 AM  
1 votes:

ladyfortuna: violentsalvation:
This is a booze thread, anybody drinking anything interesting?

Dunno if it counts as 'interesting' but: 1.5 pint mason jar, fill 1/3 with ice, give it a few fingers of Captain Morgan, about four ounces of Simply Orange OJ (all other OJ is gross), then fill the remainder with carbonated water. It's simple, but refreshing, and the size of the jar = I don't have to get up for a refill for a long time.


I like your style, Ma'am

/cheers!
2014-06-27 12:50:40 AM  
1 votes:
violentsalvation:
This is a booze thread, anybody drinking anything interesting?

Dunno if it counts as 'interesting' but: 1.5 pint mason jar, fill 1/3 with ice, give it a few fingers of Captain Morgan, about four ounces of Simply Orange OJ (all other OJ is gross), then fill the remainder with carbonated water. It's simple, but refreshing, and the size of the jar = I don't have to get up for a refill for a long time.
2014-06-27 12:47:56 AM  
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violentsalvation: It's weird to see so many hard ciders popping up, especially out of what I'd been accustomed to considering the cider seasons, fall and winter, but apparently they are really earning their spots on the shelf just like the craft brews. I've never drank hard cider from a store, I bet they hit the spot on a cold day. But right now, a cold day would hit the spot even more.


I'm a hops heretic: I really don't like most craft beers because they're over hopped. Bitter is not my favorite taste, I guess. So I decided to try cider. I discovered the number of styles and flavors were as diverse as craft beers, and it rarely has that "I just ate a dead rat" after taste

/my problem is a good, cold dry cider goes down WAY too easy on a hot day
2014-06-27 12:46:19 AM  
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Bill_Wick's_Friend: There are warning labels on liquor in the USA.

You can't carry an open beer around in the USA.

Minors, even under supervision, are prohibited from using liquor in the USA.

I can keep going. I can think of many many ways in which liquor is regulated in the USA with the purpose of minimizing the harm alcohol does to society. Similar measures with regards to guns are decried as draconian gun-grabbing anti-constitutional totalitarianism by the NRA crowd.


People don't have a Constitutional right to drink alcohol. And no, that's not what the 21st amendment did. There have already been enough infringements (admittedly some were logical) on the 2nd amendment (which shall not be infringed, technically) that--while I don't like the NRA--I don't blame them for saying enough is enough.
2014-06-27 12:46:12 AM  
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Bill_Wick's_Friend: There are warning labels on liquor in the USA.

You can't carry an open beer around in the USA.

Minors, even under supervision, are prohibited from using liquor in the USA.

I can keep going. I can think of many many ways in which liquor is regulated in the USA with the purpose of minimizing the harm alcohol does to society. Similar measures with regards to guns are decried as draconian gun-grabbing anti-constitutional totalitarianism by the NRA crowd.


Yeah, funny thing.  It's almost as if we have don't have a Constitutional amendment that guarantees the right to get smashed, or something.
2014-06-27 12:25:23 AM  
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violentsalvation: TuteTibiImperes: A maniac can't use a fifth of rum to kill dozens of unsuspecting people.

Maybe if he quietly chains the doors shut and turns the fifth into a molotov.

I'm sick of farking gun threads.

This is a booze thread, anybody drinking anything interesting?


Angry Orchard Traditional Dry hard cider

/I drink my apple a day
//ok... several apples
2014-06-26 11:59:35 PM  
1 votes:
I like bourbon.

/neat
 
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