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(Sydney Morning Herald)   Booze kills roughly three times as many people per year than guns. When will it be time to have a discussion about high capacity pint glasses and assault bourbons?   (smh.com.au ) divider line
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2014-06-27 09:09:48 AM  

DougTaupe: The differences are subtle, maybe this will help:

Guns:
[img.fark.net image 540x300]

Alcohol:
[www.aculyinternet.de image 414x414]


Never heard of drunk driving, have you?
 
2014-06-27 09:27:30 AM  
rumple minze and milk chocolate that is all
 
2014-06-27 09:28:16 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: I don't have to worry about a guy on the street trying to rob me with a bottle of schnapps.  If a kid finds his dad case of Coors he isn't going to kill himself or his friend with it.  A maniac can't use a fifth of rum to kill dozens of unsuspecting people.


Or kid, finds dads booze and then gets smashed and drives somewhere.  Plenty of maniacs use alcohol and end up killing people.  That was the point of the article.  Ban one, need to ban the other then. Also, you forgot alcohol can't defend yourself or your property.  At least guns, in my opinion, also have a positive use. Alcohol does not.
 
2014-06-27 09:30:20 AM  

violentsalvation: gamergirl23: violentsalvation: That bootleg stuff sounds interesting, I see star anise at homebrewing stores but I have no idea what it smells or tastes like. I'm drinking a Lumberyard IPA brewed in Flagstaff. It has a really nice citrus taste to it.


It's the same smell as black licorice.  I suppose it would be similar to sambuca if you've tried that.

I haven't tried sambuca, but black licorice is yucky to me. No thanks, I'll pass on those then.


Freeze the bottle before doing shots. Far better than regular black licorise. I also dislike the taste.
 
2014-06-27 09:30:42 AM  
people usually voluntarily consume booze. Not a lot of people get shot voluntarily (outside of suicides). If people were running around forcing 30 ounces of liquor down people's throats against their will I would probably be in favor of keeping glasses to 10 ounces and below
 
2014-06-27 09:33:20 AM  

ModernPrimitive01: people usually voluntarily consume booze. Not a lot of people get shot voluntarily (outside of suicides). If people were running around forcing 30 ounces of liquor down people's throats against their will I would probably be in favor of keeping glasses to 10 ounces and below


So people choose to get hit and killed or maimed by drunk drivers? Who knew?
 
2014-06-27 09:33:46 AM  

NicktheSmoker: TuteTibiImperes: I don't have to worry about a guy on the street trying to rob me with a bottle of schnapps.  If a kid finds his dad case of Coors he isn't going to kill himself or his friend with it.  A maniac can't use a fifth of rum to kill dozens of unsuspecting people.

Or kid, finds dads booze and then gets smashed and drives somewhere.  Plenty of maniacs use alcohol and end up killing people.  That was the point of the article.  Ban one, need to ban the other then. Also, you forgot alcohol can't defend yourself or your property.  At least guns, in my opinion, also have a positive use. Alcohol does not.


Killing somebody is a positive. Got it.
 
2014-06-27 09:36:50 AM  

Joe Blowme: ModernPrimitive01: people usually voluntarily consume booze. Not a lot of people get shot voluntarily (outside of suicides). If people were running around forcing 30 ounces of liquor down people's throats against their will I would probably be in favor of keeping glasses to 10 ounces and below

So people choose to get hit and killed or maimed by drunk drivers? Who knew?


Yep, I had a friend who did that once.  He was so excited to get hit that night!
 
2014-06-27 09:38:25 AM  

pueblonative: NicktheSmoker: TuteTibiImperes: I don't have to worry about a guy on the street trying to rob me with a bottle of schnapps.  If a kid finds his dad case of Coors he isn't going to kill himself or his friend with it.  A maniac can't use a fifth of rum to kill dozens of unsuspecting people.

Or kid, finds dads booze and then gets smashed and drives somewhere.  Plenty of maniacs use alcohol and end up killing people.  That was the point of the article.  Ban one, need to ban the other then. Also, you forgot alcohol can't defend yourself or your property.  At least guns, in my opinion, also have a positive use. Alcohol does not.

Killing somebody is a positive. Got it.


No defending myself or my family is a positive.  Got that?  Do I need to type slower, or use smaller words?
 
2014-06-27 09:42:42 AM  

Fart_Machine: The new study, published on Thursday in Preventing Chronic Disease, a journal from the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention

If the Booze Lobby had any clout they'd be able to shut down these studies like the NRA did with gun violence.


The NRA doesnt give two shiats about studies on gun violence. They do give two shiats about government funded propaganda pieces. Read some of those studies. They were laughably awful and of no scientific merit. Liberals were using government grants to create propaganda.
 
2014-06-27 09:43:02 AM  

AngryDragon: Low Budget Dave: AngryDragon: You can keep giving bullshiat comparisons?  Please do.

Can everybody play?

246.  I can choose not to drink.
247.  If I own a Starbucks, I can choose not to let people drink inside.
248.  I have never had a shot glass of vodka from three blocks away land in my back yard.
249.  I have never heard of anyone have a beer come flying into their living room and then decide to drink it.
250.  You can sometimes avoid drunk drivers just by taking the train.

I am not saying alcohol is fine.  It is a filthy addiction that has killed some of my friends and family.  Guns (to this point) have not.  But killing yourself with alcohol is largely a personal choice.  Having your child murdered by a stranger with an untreated mental illness is not.

I'm not advocating any position in this case.  I'm just saying that I hate absolutes, especially those not based on fact.  The fact is that you are far more likely to be killed in an accident than by a firearm.

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I agree, but that chart is horrible and inaccurate. The "Intentional Self Harm" clearly doesn't include firearms deaths (as firearms suicides are more than twice the number of incidents in that category), it has TWO sections for firearms ("Assault" and "Discharge")  Which somehow add up to a greater total than ALL reported firearms deaths (all homicides and suicides), this of course makes no sense.
 
2014-06-27 09:45:13 AM  

NicktheSmoker: pueblonative: NicktheSmoker: TuteTibiImperes: I don't have to worry about a guy on the street trying to rob me with a bottle of schnapps.  If a kid finds his dad case of Coors he isn't going to kill himself or his friend with it.  A maniac can't use a fifth of rum to kill dozens of unsuspecting people.

Or kid, finds dads booze and then gets smashed and drives somewhere.  Plenty of maniacs use alcohol and end up killing people.  That was the point of the article.  Ban one, need to ban the other then. Also, you forgot alcohol can't defend yourself or your property.  At least guns, in my opinion, also have a positive use. Alcohol does not.

Killing somebody is a positive. Got it.

No defending myself or my family is a positive.  Got that?  Do I need to type slower, or use smaller words?


Involving the use of deadly violence. At the best it's the lesser of two evils. At worse it's a jack off like you showing off and being "the man of the house"...in other words the worst person to hold a gun. Verstehst du, arschloch?
 
2014-06-27 09:45:52 AM  

KarmicDisaster: I don't object to people killing themselves with something, different situation.


You're aware most gun deaths are self inflicted..
 
2014-06-27 09:48:09 AM  

violentsalvation: TuteTibiImperes: A maniac can't use a fifth of rum to kill dozens of unsuspecting people.

Maybe if he quietly chains the doors shut and turns the fifth into a molotov.

I'm sick of farking gun threads.

This is a booze thread, anybody drinking anything interesting?


Lagunitas Maximus

Dansk Mjød Viking Blod Mead

Blackstone Brewery Nut Brown Ale

Blackstone Brewery APA

And I am making two batches of wine, a Blackberry (picked locally) and a Black Cherry.

/tasty stuff.
 
2014-06-27 09:50:32 AM  

ModernPrimitive01: Not a lot of people get shot voluntarily (outside of suicides).


For the ones that die by being shot, Suicide is the leading cause. It is about twice as likely as homicide
 
2014-06-27 09:52:01 AM  

pueblonative: NicktheSmoker: pueblonative: NicktheSmoker: TuteTibiImperes: I don't have to worry about a guy on the street trying to rob me with a bottle of schnapps.  If a kid finds his dad case of Coors he isn't going to kill himself or his friend with it.  A maniac can't use a fifth of rum to kill dozens of unsuspecting people.

Or kid, finds dads booze and then gets smashed and drives somewhere.  Plenty of maniacs use alcohol and end up killing people.  That was the point of the article.  Ban one, need to ban the other then. Also, you forgot alcohol can't defend yourself or your property.  At least guns, in my opinion, also have a positive use. Alcohol does not.

Killing somebody is a positive. Got it.

No defending myself or my family is a positive.  Got that?  Do I need to type slower, or use smaller words?

Involving the use of deadly violence. At the best it's the lesser of two evils. At worse it's a jack off like you showing off and being "the man of the house"...in other words the worst person to hold a gun. Verstehst du, arschloch?


Wow, you gotta be the dumbest person I've had the pleasure of meeting.  Thanks. You can continue to make dumb arguments, I'm gonna pass on furthering this. Its like arguing with a wall, only the wall is dumber than average walls. And you can get that I'm sure, asshole.
 
2014-06-27 09:52:54 AM  
If it's not, I think we should make assault bourbons a thing. In some weird way it sounds synonymously delicious as my freedoms.
 
2014-06-27 09:54:48 AM  

ModernPrimitive01: people usually voluntarily consume booze. Not a lot of people get shot voluntarily (outside of suicides). If people were running around forcing 30 ounces of liquor down people's throats against their will I would probably be in favor of keeping glasses to 10 ounces and below


You do realize that suicides make up MORE than half of all firearms related deaths right?
 
2014-06-27 09:57:03 AM  

pueblonative: At the best it's the lesser of two evils. At worse it's a jack off like you showing off and being "the man of the house"


At the best, it is protection, at the worse, it makes pueblonative project something that most folks that own guns could really care less about. That is not a real negative for gun owners, BTW.
 
2014-06-27 10:01:18 AM  

NicktheSmoker: pueblonative: NicktheSmoker: pueblonative: NicktheSmoker: TuteTibiImperes: I don't have to worry about a guy on the street trying to rob me with a bottle of schnapps.  If a kid finds his dad case of Coors he isn't going to kill himself or his friend with it.  A maniac can't use a fifth of rum to kill dozens of unsuspecting people.

Or kid, finds dads booze and then gets smashed and drives somewhere.  Plenty of maniacs use alcohol and end up killing people.  That was the point of the article.  Ban one, need to ban the other then. Also, you forgot alcohol can't defend yourself or your property.  At least guns, in my opinion, also have a positive use. Alcohol does not.

Killing somebody is a positive. Got it.

No defending myself or my family is a positive.  Got that?  Do I need to type slower, or use smaller words?

Involving the use of deadly violence. At the best it's the lesser of two evils. At worse it's a jack off like you showing off and being "the man of the house"...in other words the worst person to hold a gun. Verstehst du, arschloch?

Wow, you gotta be the dumbest person I've had the pleasure of meeting.  Thanks. You can continue to make dumb arguments, I'm gonna pass on furthering this. Its like arguing with a wall, only the wall is dumber than average walls. And you can get that I'm sure, asshole.


Okay chucklefark. Enlighten us about the positives of killing a person. I'm sure you'll have no problems doing that.
 
2014-06-27 10:03:38 AM  

crab66: thefatbasturd: LazerFish: Emposter: crab66: I like how this is the blanket argument from gun nuts now.


See, something else kills people too! Therefore mass shootings are fine.


Flawless logic.

They have no real argument, so they resort to bullshiat.  Luckily for them, the country is full of gullible idiots.

More people die every year from being trampled by cattle than by skydiving accidents. By their logic, we have no need for parachutes.

Yeah keep telling yourself and your brain dead friends that is the argument being made and you can ignore the actual FACTS that are really being pointed out to you.


More people are killed every year by the ocean than choke on broom handles. Clearly we need to outlaw Potatoes!


Gunnut logic. Flawless.

I hope Obama comes in swinging his big black dick and takes all your guns right before he sends you to a FEMA camp.


Again. You KNOW that is not the argument being made. I know this is easier than fighting actual logic, but you don't make us look stupid by pretending you think it is, you make yourself look stupid.
 
2014-06-27 10:03:59 AM  

pueblonative: NicktheSmoker: pueblonative: NicktheSmoker: pueblonative: NicktheSmoker: TuteTibiImperes: I don't have to worry about a guy on the street trying to rob me with a bottle of schnapps.  If a kid finds his dad case of Coors he isn't going to kill himself or his friend with it.  A maniac can't use a fifth of rum to kill dozens of unsuspecting people.

Or kid, finds dads booze and then gets smashed and drives somewhere.  Plenty of maniacs use alcohol and end up killing people.  That was the point of the article.  Ban one, need to ban the other then. Also, you forgot alcohol can't defend yourself or your property.  At least guns, in my opinion, also have a positive use. Alcohol does not.

Killing somebody is a positive. Got it.

No defending myself or my family is a positive.  Got that?  Do I need to type slower, or use smaller words?

Involving the use of deadly violence. At the best it's the lesser of two evils. At worse it's a jack off like you showing off and being "the man of the house"...in other words the worst person to hold a gun. Verstehst du, arschloch?

Wow, you gotta be the dumbest person I've had the pleasure of meeting.  Thanks. You can continue to make dumb arguments, I'm gonna pass on furthering this. Its like arguing with a wall, only the wall is dumber than average walls. And you can get that I'm sure, asshole.

Okay chucklefark. Enlighten us about the positives of killing a person. I'm sure you'll have no problems doing that.


Say someone was trying to kill your wife or kids, you kill them first. Positive for most, you would be cowering under the bed hoping they don't kill you next.
 
2014-06-27 10:04:38 AM  

pueblonative: Enlighten us about the positives of killing a person


When the choice is between you or them (a criminal who initiates this confrontation), it will always be considered a positive when the person acting in self-defense prevails - even if that means that a person dies as a result of this confrontation.
 
2014-06-27 10:06:03 AM  

IlGreven: ...we did have that discussion.  It was called Prohibition. It was a colossal failure, mainly because the people who had an interest in keeping the booze flowing also had guns.


I see your knowledge of why prohibition failed is lacking.
 
2014-06-27 10:06:18 AM  

thefatbasturd: I know this is easier than fighting actual logic,


It is always much easier to knock down a strawman than a real man.
 
2014-06-27 10:07:51 AM  
The Constitution says one has the right to bear arms (well regulated [trained] militia, etc). What it doesn't say is that you have the right to handle them irresponsibly. Like carrying them into non-threatening situations such as a Chipotle.
 
2014-06-27 10:09:09 AM  

HeadLever: pueblonative: At the best it's the lesser of two evils. At worse it's a jack off like you showing off and being "the man of the house"

At the best, it is protection, at the worse, it makes pueblonative project something that most folks that own guns could really care less about. That is not a real negative for gun owners, BTW.


Yeah cause gun owners don't ever verbally mastubate about that one time where they were minding their own business walking around the grocery store when all of a sudden two robbers come in with rifles and it was a good thing for all those pants-wetting gun grabbers they has their handgun, got the drop on those two and saved the day.
 
2014-06-27 10:11:16 AM  
I had to ignore that guy. This is why debates about this never get anywhere. Guns are only bad to these people, and there is nothing good they could ever be used for. Protecting yourself or family is obviously not a concern for anyone in this country, since we obviously live in fantasy land.
 
2014-06-27 10:12:50 AM  

SurfaceTension: What it doesn't say is that you have the right to handle them irresponsibly. Like carrying them into non-threatening situations such as a Chipotle.


Where does it say that carrying them in to Chipotle is necessarily irresponsible?  If there was a threat prerequisite in order to carry firearms, then hunters would have a very difficult filling their freezers, benchrest shooters would have a very difficult time competing in matches, and criminals would just have to wait until their target was out of their house during non-threatening errands before they could rob or rape their intended target.
 
2014-06-27 10:13:31 AM  

Joe Blowme: pueblonative: NicktheSmoker: pueblonative: NicktheSmoker: pueblonative: NicktheSmoker: TuteTibiImperes: I don't have to worry about a guy on the street trying to rob me with a bottle of schnapps.  If a kid finds his dad case of Coors he isn't going to kill himself or his friend with it.  A maniac can't use a fifth of rum to kill dozens of unsuspecting people.

Or kid, finds dads booze and then gets smashed and drives somewhere.  Plenty of maniacs use alcohol and end up killing people.  That was the point of the article.  Ban one, need to ban the other then. Also, you forgot alcohol can't defend yourself or your property.  At least guns, in my opinion, also have a positive use. Alcohol does not.

Killing somebody is a positive. Got it.

No defending myself or my family is a positive.  Got that?  Do I need to type slower, or use smaller words?

Involving the use of deadly violence. At the best it's the lesser of two evils. At worse it's a jack off like you showing off and being "the man of the house"...in other words the worst person to hold a gun. Verstehst du, arschloch?

Wow, you gotta be the dumbest person I've had the pleasure of meeting.  Thanks. You can continue to make dumb arguments, I'm gonna pass on furthering this. Its like arguing with a wall, only the wall is dumber than average walls. And you can get that I'm sure, asshole.

Okay chucklefark. Enlighten us about the positives of killing a person. I'm sure you'll have no problems doing that.

Say someone was trying to kill your wife or kids, you kill them first. Positive for most, you would be cowering under the bed hoping they don't kill you next.


No shooting would be the lesser of two evils (done but nothing I consider a positive). You know what would be the positive? Not having them in the position to be able to kill them in the first place. But thanks for using the stereotype of the pants wetting surrender monkey because I don't consider guns the first option.
 
2014-06-27 10:15:09 AM  
Yes.  Replace all beer stores with pot stores, and replace all guns with airsofts and crossbows.  Problem solved, a million people that would have been dead can now pay taxes.
 
2014-06-27 10:15:16 AM  

pueblonative: Yeah cause gun owners don't ever verbally mastubate about that one time where they were minding their own business walking around the grocery store when all of a sudden two robbers come in with rifles and it was a good thing for all those pants-wetting gun grabbers they has their handgun, got the drop on those two and saved the day.


Even if they do, should that disqualify them from having the ability to protect themselves?  I would argue that being loud and obnoxious to pueblonative does not preclude their right to protect themselves.
 
2014-06-27 10:15:17 AM  

NicktheSmoker: I had to ignore that guy. This is why debates about this never get anywhere. Guns are only bad to these people, and there is nothing good they could ever be used for. Protecting yourself or family is obviously not a concern for anyone in this country, since we obviously live in fantasy land.


You ever know how it's only the drama mamas who have to announce they're ignoring people?
 
2014-06-27 10:15:42 AM  

LazerFish: thefatbasturd: Yeah keep telling yourself and your brain dead friends that is the argument being made and you can ignore the actual FACTS that are really being pointed out to you.

Facts are great, but RELEVANT facts are what matter.


And the FACT that if your supposed goal is "preventing death", the numbers show that gun deaths are actually MUCH rarer than you try to make them out and that there are many things causing death at a MUCH higher rate you could spend your time working on is pretty relevant.
 
2014-06-27 10:15:59 AM  
NicktheSmoker: I had to ignore that guy. This is why debates about this never get anywhere. Guns are only bad to these people, and there is nothing good they could ever be used for. Protecting yourself or family is obviously not a concern for anyone in this country, since we obviously live in fantasy land.


But make sure you tell us about it here, so that you can have the last word in your argument and let him know that you ignored him!
 
2014-06-27 10:17:10 AM  

pueblonative: HeadLever: pueblonative: At the best it's the lesser of two evils. At worse it's a jack off like you showing off and being "the man of the house"

At the best, it is protection, at the worse, it makes pueblonative project something that most folks that own guns could really care less about. That is not a real negative for gun owners, BTW.

Yeah cause gun owners don't ever verbally mastubate about that one time where they were minding their own business walking around the grocery store when all of a sudden two robbers come in with rifles and it was a good thing for all those pants-wetting gun grabbers they has their handgun, got the drop on those two and saved the day.


Drunks fantasize about killing people who look at them.
 
2014-06-27 10:17:55 AM  
I've said it before.  I'm glad handguns are illegal where I live - the best you can get is a bolt action hunting rifle, and even those are pretty damn hard to get.  And yes, we still have handgun deaths and violent crime, but nowhere near as much as you guys have in the USA.

That being said, I would never travel to Afghanistan without a gun.  I would never travel to Somalia without a gun.  And I would never go to your hell hole of a country, the USA, without a gun.
 
2014-06-27 10:18:11 AM  

pueblonative: NicktheSmoker: I had to ignore that guy. This is why debates about this never get anywhere. Guns are only bad to these people, and there is nothing good they could ever be used for. Protecting yourself or family is obviously not a concern for anyone in this country, since we obviously live in fantasy land.

You ever know how it's only the drama mamas who have to announce they're ignoring people?


Oh I can still see your comments, its just you have literally nothing that you are bringing to this argument, and I kind of think you might be mentally handicapped. But, you can keep on making your retarded comments, you have the freedom to do so.
 
2014-06-27 10:19:03 AM  

DougTaupe: The differences are subtle, maybe this will help:

Guns:
[img.fark.net image 540x300]

Alcohol:
[www.aculyinternet.de image 414x414]


For many alcohol users, this is so true.

//powerful post, my friend
 
2014-06-27 10:20:03 AM  

Mrbogey: I don't see why we can't ban alcohol from being served in large glasses. What difference does it make if you drink beer one ounce at a time instead of 12? It'll keep kids who don't know any better drinking too fast.

The ATF could make it simple, one bend of the wrist equals one shot.


Don't know as I'd go that far, but can attest to the vast improvement of the behavior of the drinking contingent of students at U. of MO at Columbia after the City Council nixed the `to go' 24oz cups.   That last dose of polar solvents gulped on the way back to the dorms led to more than one drunken brouhaha (never to the level of the annual Halloween brawls on the main drag in Carbondale, Il, where the SIU students made it a point of pride to take out every window of every business on the main drag).

Still waiting for someone to explain the qualitative difference between death from drinking too much, passing out on one's back and subsequently aspirating on one's vomit, and death from shooting up heroin and dying from pulmonary edema.

What I would like to see is a study of CCW permitted individuals fitted with implantable stress hormone sensors.  Do the stress hormone levels drop while strapped in wally world or church?  Maybe an indirect study of CCW holders with preexisting cardiac conditions and those without.  Does the mere fact one is strapped increase stress hormones (sizing up the target pool constantly without consciously thinking about it) to dangerous levels?

Imagine you are required to sit in a locked room with 10 strangers, each of those individuals armed with a good old Charter Arms .357 Target Bulldog.  Before entering the room you are given the choice of which drug those 10 subjects will be dosed with...
 
2014-06-27 10:21:17 AM  

pueblonative: Not having them in the position to be able to kill them in the first place.


That is not a decision that can always be controlled by but the first 'them'. In essence, you point relies on ignoring reality.
 
2014-06-27 10:21:52 AM  

moeburn: I've said it before.  I'm glad handguns are illegal where I live - the best you can get is a bolt action hunting rifle, and even those are pretty damn hard to get.  And yes, we still have handgun deaths and violent crime, but nowhere near as much as you guys have in the USA.

That being said, I would never travel to Afghanistan without a gun.  I would never travel to Somalia without a gun.  And I would never go to your hell hole of a country, the USA, without a gun.


Man, you and pueblonaive should get a room, and jerk each other off. Seems you're the only two morons still talking about dumb shiat.  You even said you still have gun violence, but now you can literally do nothing about it. That sounds awesome. Hope that works out well for you.
 
2014-06-27 10:22:55 AM  

HeadLever: pueblonative: Yeah cause gun owners don't ever verbally mastubate about that one time where they were minding their own business walking around the grocery store when all of a sudden two robbers come in with rifles and it was a good thing for all those pants-wetting gun grabbers they has their handgun, got the drop on those two and saved the day.

Even if they do, should that disqualify them from having the ability to protect themselves?  I would argue that being loud and obnoxious to pueblonative does not preclude their right to protect themselves.


Seems to me a person looking to get on tv with their story about how they had to "protect themselves" has a very good motive to find situations where they have to "protect themselves" rather than do the smart thing such as get out of danger lest ITTs like Fred NeedsSomeHead accuses them of hiding while the kids and wife get shot.
 
2014-06-27 10:23:23 AM  

Low Budget Dave: AngryDragon: You can keep giving bullshiat comparisons?  Please do.

Can everybody play?

246.  I can choose not to drink.
247.  If I own a Starbucks, I can choose not to let people drink inside.
248.  I have never had a shot glass of vodka from three blocks away land in my back yard.
249.  I have never heard of anyone have a beer come flying into their living room and then decide to drink it.
250.  You can sometimes avoid drunk drivers just by taking the train.

I am not saying alcohol is fine.  It is a filthy addiction that has killed some of my friends and family.  Guns (to this point) have not.  But killing yourself with alcohol is largely a personal choice.  Having your child murdered by a stranger with an untreated mental illness is not.


So you agree that the answer is a better mental health system and NOT more gun laws? Cool!
 
2014-06-27 10:23:38 AM  

pueblonative: NicktheSmoker: I had to ignore that guy. This is why debates about this never get anywhere. Guns are only bad to these people, and there is nothing good they could ever be used for. Protecting yourself or family is obviously not a concern for anyone in this country, since we obviously live in fantasy land.

You ever know how it's only the drama mamas who have to announce they're ignoring people?


If you're posting in the comments section you're already an AW. "Someone read my post and and agrees with how awesome I am."
Personally, I like to skip all the foreplay.

Anyone want to see my gun(I mean my penis...in your email)
 
2014-06-27 10:24:30 AM  

NicktheSmoker: pueblonative: NicktheSmoker: I had to ignore that guy. This is why debates about this never get anywhere. Guns are only bad to these people, and there is nothing good they could ever be used for. Protecting yourself or family is obviously not a concern for anyone in this country, since we obviously live in fantasy land.

You ever know how it's only the drama mamas who have to announce they're ignoring people?

Oh I can still see your comments, its just you have literally nothing that you are bringing to this argument, and I kind of think you might be mentally handicapped. But, you can keep on making your retarded comments, you have the freedom to do so.


ignore. Understand this word you do not.
 
2014-06-27 10:26:08 AM  

pueblonative: Seems to me a person looking to get on tv with their story about how they had to "protect themselves" has a very good motive to find situations where they have to "protect themselves" rather than do the smart thing such as get out of danger lest ITTs like Fred NeedsSomeHead accuses them of hiding while the kids and wife get shot.


So someone needs to insert themselves into danger with the likelihood of getting shot (and maybe killed) just so they can get on TV?

This actually makes sense to you?  Wow dude.  Not sure if you are trolling or mentally ill.  Maybe both?
 
2014-06-27 10:26:31 AM  

pueblonative: Seems to me a person looking to get on tv with their story about how they had to "protect themselves" has a very good motive to find situations where they have to "protect themselves" rather than do the smart thing such as get out of danger lest ITTs like Fred NeedsSomeHead accuses them of hiding while the kids and wife get shot.


And with drunks, you don't need any reason at all to beat your wife to death. Just sit in jail singing Glenn Campbell's "Rhinestone Cowboy," and in the morning they'll tell you what you did the night before. Then you can say, "Gee, I don't know why I did that. I must have been pretty drunk."
 
2014-06-27 10:26:39 AM  

thefatbasturd: Low Budget Dave: AngryDragon: You can keep giving bullshiat comparisons?  Please do.

Can everybody play?

246.  I can choose not to drink.
247.  If I own a Starbucks, I can choose not to let people drink inside.
248.  I have never had a shot glass of vodka from three blocks away land in my back yard.
249.  I have never heard of anyone have a beer come flying into their living room and then decide to drink it.
250.  You can sometimes avoid drunk drivers just by taking the train.

I am not saying alcohol is fine.  It is a filthy addiction that has killed some of my friends and family.  Guns (to this point) have not.  But killing yourself with alcohol is largely a personal choice.  Having your child murdered by a stranger with an untreated mental illness is not.

So you agree that the answer is a better mental health system and NOT more gun laws? Cool!


It would solve both problems. Or at least put a dent in them.
 
2014-06-27 10:28:05 AM  

NicktheSmoker: moeburn: I've said it before.  I'm glad handguns are illegal where I live - the best you can get is a bolt action hunting rifle, and even those are pretty damn hard to get.  And yes, we still have handgun deaths and violent crime, but nowhere near as much as you guys have in the USA.

That being said, I would never travel to Afghanistan without a gun.  I would never travel to Somalia without a gun.  And I would never go to your hell hole of a country, the USA, without a gun.

Man, you and pueblonaive should get a room, and jerk each other off. Seems you're the only two morons still talking about dumb shiat.  You even said you still have gun violence, but now you can literally do nothing about it. That sounds awesome. Hope that works out well for you.


I don't even... what?

Okay, I crossed out all the "dumb shiat" and left the actual argument you made.  Yes, we still have gun violence, but if you will notice the second half of that sentence, WE HAVE A LOT LESS THAN YOU!  And "You can literally do nothing about it"?  If you're referring to reducing gun violence - sure we can, from better school programs, community services, outreach programs, better jobs for young people, partial legalization of illicit trades, better welfare programs...  If you're referring to a specific instance when someone pulls a gun on you, no, you're right, you won't have a gun to pull on them.  But considering the chances of A) someone pulling a gun on me, and B) me having the opportunity to actually get my gun out without getting shot in the process, I'd much rather keep handguns illegal than keep one for myself.

But again, if I had to go to the states, a handgun would be the first thing on my list of necessities, because you're all farking nuts and I don't trust any of you.
 
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