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(Sydney Morning Herald)   Booze kills roughly three times as many people per year than guns. When will it be time to have a discussion about high capacity pint glasses and assault bourbons?   (smh.com.au ) divider line
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2014-06-27 01:53:13 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Giltric: TuteTibiImperes: I don't have to worry about a guy on the street trying to rob me with a bottle of schnapps.   If a kid finds his dad case of Coors he isn't going to kill himself or his friend with it.  A maniac can't use a fifth of rum to kill dozens of unsuspecting people.

No the car they get into will. Or they will get into an argument depending upon what personality manifests when they drink and maybe get all stabby over which way the toilet paper goes on the rack.

Is that really a thing, or is it just something some comedian made up as a pretend stupid argument drunks get into?


Drunks get into arguments. There is no reasoning with them.
 
2014-06-27 01:53:51 AM  

Pokey.Clyde: TuteTibiImperes: Very few places have laws against carrying firearms in public.

Bullshiat. Whether a state allows open-carry and/or concealed-carry, there are plenty of rules and laws that determine who, what, when, where, why, and how one can or cannot carry a firearm in public.

/but keep farking that chicken, tute


Most places require that you take a short class and do a background check to get CCW permit.  It's not as if the regulations are tough.

Effectively anyone without a felony record can get one.
 
2014-06-27 01:53:54 AM  
Yes and no one breaks any of these laws, right? Why does fark attract such douchey trolls?
 
2014-06-27 01:54:41 AM  

E5bie: Mrbogey: TuteTibiImperes: If a kid finds his dad case of Coors he isn't going to kill himself or his friend with it.


Well not if they point it at each other. If they drink it, yes, it can happen.

Eight beers. In a family environment. Ugh. Didn't exactly happen in the blink of an eye, did it?
I did not know you could die from beer alone, except by drowning. But if the kid choked on vomit, he kinda did go that way.
I'll never understand how anyone can consume more than a six-pack in one sitting. The fluid volume alone is staggering.


Humans pee when they have an excess of liquid in their system. Are you a robot?

theinfosphere.org

That said, smashing six beers isn't easy, but it's pretty easy to kill a six pack during, say, a football game. That's a beer every 30-40 minutes, hardly breakneck speed there.
 
2014-06-27 01:55:21 AM  

JoieD'Zen: Lenny_da_Hog: It's pretty obvious that alcohol use is just compensation for your small penis.

I don't have a penis unless I borrow one if you know what I mean and I think you do.


I think I do.

I have a few left in mason jars, preserved in alcohol, for only $50 each. PM me.
 
2014-06-27 01:57:17 AM  

The_Sponge: I like drinking and owning firearms, so I have that going for me.

/Never mix the two.
//Love going to my local beer bar after the range.


My preemptive condolences to your soon to be dead family member responsible alcoholic gun owner.
 
2014-06-27 01:57:24 AM  
Life is a terminal condition with a 100% fatality rate. The number of extra years you spend in diapers does not significantly increase your rank on the cosmic leaderboard.
 
2014-06-27 01:58:53 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Pokey.Clyde: TuteTibiImperes: Very few places have laws against carrying firearms in public.

Bullshiat. Whether a state allows open-carry and/or concealed-carry, there are plenty of rules and laws that determine who, what, when, where, why, and how one can or cannot carry a firearm in public.

/but keep farking that chicken, tute

Most places require that you take a short class and do a background check to get CCW permit.  It's not as if the regulations are tough.

Effectively anyone without a felony record can get one.


When's the last time you had to undergo a background check to get booze? You can get convicted of boozecrime over and over again and still buy booze.
 
2014-06-27 02:05:42 AM  

Ryker's Peninsula: The_Sponge: I like drinking and owning firearms, so I have that going for me.

/Never mix the two.
//Love going to my local beer bar after the range.

My preemptive condolences to your soon to be dead family member responsible alcoholic gun owner.



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2014-06-27 02:07:21 AM  
The differences are subtle, maybe this will help:

Guns:
img.fark.net

Alcohol:
www.aculyinternet.de
 
2014-06-27 02:08:51 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Pokey.Clyde: TuteTibiImperes: Very few places have laws against carrying firearms in public.

Bullshiat. Whether a state allows open-carry and/or concealed-carry, there are plenty of rules and laws that determine who, what, when, where, why, and how one can or cannot carry a firearm in public.

/but keep farking that chicken, tute

Most places require that you take a short class and do a background check to get CCW permit.  It's not as if the regulations are tough.

Effectively anyone without a felony record can get one.


Move those goalposts often?  You said very few places have laws against carrying firearms in public. I told you that you were wrong, that in fact, all places have laws against carrying in public if you don't meet certain criteria. What the hell does how tough it is to get a CCW have to do with whether or not there are laws governing carrying a firearm in public? I'll tell you...not a damn thing.

/your chicken is sore and tired. Let it go to bed for the night.
 
2014-06-27 02:09:52 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Pokey.Clyde: TuteTibiImperes: Very few places have laws against carrying firearms in public.

Bullshiat. Whether a state allows open-carry and/or concealed-carry, there are plenty of rules and laws that determine who, what, when, where, why, and how one can or cannot carry a firearm in public.

/but keep farking that chicken, tute

Most places require that you take a short class and do a background check to get CCW permit.  It's not as if the regulations are tough.

Effectively anyone without a felony record can get one.


Some places don't even require that. Here in Arizona, I can just carry a concealed handgun. No classes, no permit. I have a little .22lr revolver varmint gun that I carry in my hiking backpack because the wolves are getting a little too bold for my comfort lately. I think some jackasses are feeding them.
 
2014-06-27 02:18:45 AM  

redmid17: E5bie: Mrbogey: TuteTibiImperes: If a kid finds his dad case of Coors he isn't going to kill himself or his friend with it.


Well not if they point it at each other. If they drink it, yes, it can happen.

Eight beers. In a family environment. Ugh. Didn't exactly happen in the blink of an eye, did it?
I did not know you could die from beer alone, except by drowning. But if the kid choked on vomit, he kinda did go that way.
I'll never understand how anyone can consume more than a six-pack in one sitting. The fluid volume alone is staggering.

Humans pee when they have an excess of liquid in their system. Are you a robot?


Nooo, but like most humans my bladder capacity is about 16 oz. tops.
That would add up to 4 or 5 bathroom trips per six pack.
Unlike a man, I can't just pee back into the used cans.
 
2014-06-27 02:19:11 AM  
The difference here...
Booze is designed to get you drunk.
Guns are designed to end lives. That is their purpose. That is their ONLY purpose.

/and getting balls off the roof of the house
//have 3 guns myself, but I know what they're for, not this fantasy bullshiat of "saving lives". it's for ending them quickly.
 
2014-06-27 02:19:53 AM  
Holy shiat, Fark just imploded on itself.
 
2014-06-27 02:20:11 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: I think a lot of people write it off like Sam Adams as a mega brew masquerading as a craft brew because they're so big, but it really is a quality product.



CSB:

At the previously mentioned beer bar, there is a regular customer who is originally from the Czech Republic.  I once asked him what his favorite American beer was, and he said it was Sam Adams Boston Lager.

/To tell the truth, I was surprised.
//Was in Prague last month.
///F*CKING AWESOME.
 
2014-06-27 02:20:22 AM  
Hello, I'd like my AR-15 on the rocks with a finger of branch water.
Thank you.
 
2014-06-27 02:29:56 AM  
This article isn't about guns, so why they got dragged into this argument baffles me. This is just about alcohol, which turns out to be pretty dangerous, obviously (seriously, if you didn't know that shiat was poison, then either you've never thrown up from drinking too much or you live on the moon). Just HOW dangerous, we seem to be in denial about, just as we were in denial about tobacco for a long time.

BUT - BUT - BUT

This doesn't mean it should be illegal. Oh, and nor should tobacco be illegal (though many people are pushing it in that direction).

/ IMHO even heroin should be legal to buy
// Take that as you will
/// Maybe time for a frank discussion of drug use itself and how to use drugs of all kinds in the safest and best manner
 
2014-06-27 02:31:21 AM  

Vertdang: The difference here...
Booze is designed to get you drunk.
Guns are designed to end lives. That is their purpose. That is their ONLY purpose.

/and getting balls off the roof of the house
//have 3 guns myself, but I know what they're for, not this fantasy bullshiat of "saving lives". it's for ending them quickly.


They must be pretty bad at it, then, considering millions of rounds are fired in this country every day without any lives ending. I've shot thousands and thousands of rounds, and never fired at anything that was alive.

Things that go "bang!" are fun with physics. Fireworks and explosives are also fun.

Alcohol, I'm told by people who like it, is also fun (although I don't see why a drug that just makes you stupid is fun).
 
2014-06-27 02:46:26 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: violentsalvation: It's weird to see so many hard ciders popping up, especially out of what I'd been accustomed to considering the cider seasons, fall and winter, but apparently they are really earning their spots on the shelf just like the craft brews. I've never drank hard cider from a store, I bet they hit the spot on a cold day. But right now, a cold day would hit the spot even more.

I'm a hops heretic: I really don't like most craft beers because they're over hopped. Bitter is not my favorite taste, I guess. So I decided to try cider. I discovered the number of styles and flavors were as diverse as craft beers, and it rarely has that "I just ate a dead rat" after taste

/my problem is a good, cold dry cider goes down WAY too easy on a hot day


Ciders are the new Zima.
 
2014-06-27 02:49:22 AM  

thefatbasturd: LazerFish: Emposter: crab66: I like how this is the blanket argument from gun nuts now.


See, something else kills people too! Therefore mass shootings are fine.


Flawless logic.

They have no real argument, so they resort to bullshiat.  Luckily for them, the country is full of gullible idiots.

More people die every year from being trampled by cattle than by skydiving accidents. By their logic, we have no need for parachutes.

Yeah keep telling yourself and your brain dead friends that is the argument being made and you can ignore the actual FACTS that are really being pointed out to you.



More people are killed every year by the ocean than choke on broom handles. Clearly we need to outlaw Potatoes!


Gunnut logic. Flawless.

I hope Obama comes in swinging his big black dick and takes all your guns right before he sends you to a FEMA camp.
 
2014-06-27 02:49:23 AM  

Lenny_da_Hog: Alcohol, I'm told by people who like it, is also fun (although I don't see why a drug that just makes you stupid is fun).


It's easier to have fun when you're stupid, I guess. Little things amuse little minds.
 
2014-06-27 02:51:06 AM  
You can't prevent all drunk driving so why have any laws?

Gunnut logic.
 
2014-06-27 02:56:01 AM  

Lenny_da_Hog: It's pretty obvious that alcohol use is just compensation for your small penis.


No, it's the cause.
 
2014-06-27 02:58:12 AM  

crab66: You can't prevent all drunk driving so why have any laws?

Gunnut logic.


Look, all we want is *reasonable* regulations on alcohol.

First, stop showing billions of dollars of ads aimed at young people, telling them they can only be happy if they're drunks.

Second, a simple background check at bars and liquor stores to prevent repeat offenders and the mentally ill from being able to buy alcohol.

Third, mandatory alcohol classes before you're allowed to drink. Show people under the influence vomiting, getting violent, and losing motor control. Show aging, liver-damaged drunks with bellies filled with ammonia, drooling because it's melting their brain.

But Noooo -- Big Alcohol owns legislatures everywhere and stops each and every reasonable step to stop those 88,000 deaths.
 
2014-06-27 03:03:32 AM  

JoieD'Zen: I like bourbon.

/neat


cool. i like vodak, we should be friends.
 
2014-06-27 03:16:30 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: I don't have to worry about a guy on the street trying to rob me with a bottle of schnapps.  If a kid finds his dad case of Coors he isn't going to kill himself or his friend with it. A maniac can't use a fifth of rum to kill dozens of unsuspecting people.


Because drunk driving accidents never involve minors...

That's why all of those fire departments and police stations waste everyone's tax dollars every spring with mock drunk driving crashes at the local high school.

/seriously dude, I hope you're being ironic here.
//I'm not even going to waste my time addressing the other two at this point.
 
2014-06-27 03:16:39 AM  

Lenny_da_Hog: crab66: You can't prevent all drunk driving so why have any laws?

Gunnut logic.

Look, all we want is *reasonable* regulations on alcohol.

First, stop showing billions of dollars of ads aimed at young people, telling them they can only be happy if they're drunks.

Second, a simple background check at bars and liquor stores to prevent repeat offenders and the mentally ill from being able to buy alcohol.

Third, mandatory alcohol classes before you're allowed to drink. Show people under the influence vomiting, getting violent, and losing motor control. Show aging, liver-damaged drunks with bellies filled with ammonia, drooling because it's melting their brain.

But Noooo -- Big Alcohol owns legislatures everywhere and stops each and every reasonable step to stop those 88,000 deaths.


I got no problem with any of that.

And GUN NUTS:

Keep on comparing guns to alcohol, swimming pools, knives and anything else you can think of. It's a really convincing argument and in no way makes you look like desperate idiots.
 
2014-06-27 03:21:39 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: I got no problem with any of that.

And GUN NUTS:

Keep on comparing guns to alcohol, swimming pools, knives and anything else you can think of. It's a really convincing argument and in no way makes you look like desperate idiots.


The comparison is valid.

Anti-gun drunks are hypocrites. There is no other purpose for alcohol than to use as a drug, and it actually is responsible for three times more deaths than guns each year, along with a shiat-load of violence and crimes.

The only reason people shiat their pants about guns is because guns make a loud noise and are often included as a movie/TV plot device. Nearly everyone I know has been affected by alcohol abuse at some time in their lives, and very few know anybody who has ever been shot.

If the goal is saving lives -- which is what drunken anti-gun nuts claim -- put down the bottle before you tell me what to do.
 
2014-06-27 03:21:41 AM  
Booze doesn't kill people. People kill people.
 
2014-06-27 03:21:49 AM  

violentsalvation: TuteTibiImperes: A maniac can't use a fifth of rum to kill dozens of unsuspecting people.

Maybe if he quietly chains the doors shut and turns the fifth into a molotov.

I'm sick of farking gun threads.

This is a booze thread, anybody drinking anything interesting?


Lemonade. I haven't had a drop of alcohol since I was nineteen or twenty. I can't remember which.
 
2014-06-27 03:25:21 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Lenny_da_Hog: crab66: You can't prevent all drunk driving so why have any laws?

Gunnut logic.

Look, all we want is *reasonable* regulations on alcohol.

First, stop showing billions of dollars of ads aimed at young people, telling them they can only be happy if they're drunks.

Second, a simple background check at bars and liquor stores to prevent repeat offenders and the mentally ill from being able to buy alcohol.

Third, mandatory alcohol classes before you're allowed to drink. Show people under the influence vomiting, getting violent, and losing motor control. Show aging, liver-damaged drunks with bellies filled with ammonia, drooling because it's melting their brain.

But Noooo -- Big Alcohol owns legislatures everywhere and stops each and every reasonable step to stop those 88,000 deaths.

I got no problem with any of that.

And GUN NUTS:

Keep on comparing guns to alcohol, swimming pools, knives and anything else you can think of. It's a really convincing argument and in no way makes you look like desperate idiots.


Eh, the alcohol argument actually has some merit. The only reason people drink alcohol is for enjoyment.

The slight health benefits you *might* get from it (which only happens with significant moderation) can be found elsewhere with things that don't cause domestic violence, impaired driving, unplanned pregnancies, injuries, property damage, ect...

By contrast, guns can actually have a useful purpose in hunting and self protection.
 
2014-06-27 03:27:48 AM  

fusillade762: MaudlinMutantMollusk: ladyfortuna: Begoggle: Pretty soon, people will want to be MARRYING BEER
When will it end

Can't be worse than marrying a husband...

Heyheyhey... we already got guns and alcohol in here

/let's not drag the whole sex thing into it, too
//some drunk might start shooting
///even worse if it's with a gun

Just because of this post I'm going to get drunk and drive around having sex while shooting my gun.

/aw who am I kidding, I'm only going to be doing one of those things


This is a wonderful thread - everyone sounds drunk already

At least where I am it's already Friday eve so I have a valid excuse

But if we're debating cause and consequence, shouldn't we discourage beer and hard spirits, and encouraging marijuana? Fighting fluids vs Relaxing herbs
 
2014-06-27 03:29:45 AM  
Difference is, with booze you're only hurting yourself (unless you drive drunk, in which case fark you). My body should be mine to do as I please with, providing I don't hurt other people.
 
2014-06-27 03:32:16 AM  
Troll headline got lots of pathetic marks,

+1
 
2014-06-27 03:33:25 AM  

edgar1981: Difference is, with booze you're only hurting yourself (unless you drive drunk, in which case fark you). My body should be mine to do as I please with, providing I don't hurt other people.


You're conveniently forgetting the part of alcohol being a factor in 40% of violent crimes.
 
2014-06-27 03:37:24 AM  
I notice this story comes from Australia. Well, if you're drunk in Australia you are more likely to be victims to drop bears and clock spiders.
 
2014-06-27 03:44:07 AM  
thefatbasturd: Yeah keep telling yourself and your brain dead friends that is the argument being made and you can ignore the actual FACTS that are really being pointed out to you.

Facts are great, but RELEVANT facts are what matter.
 
2014-06-27 03:44:51 AM  
Oh sure, just take away all the fun in life why don't you?
 
2014-06-27 03:45:56 AM  

wildcardjack: I notice this story comes from Australia. Well, if you're drunk in Australia you are more likely to be victims to drop bears and clock spiders.


Unless your name is Rincewinde, drop bears are the least of yr problems in Australia
 
2014-06-27 03:47:46 AM  
One-third the regulation of booze for guns, coming right up.

Just let me know where you'd like me to unload this shipping container full of regulations. Oh, and that's just for this state. And obviously it only applies in the counties where you're allowed to sell guns at all.
 
2014-06-27 04:00:50 AM  

cuzsis: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Lenny_da_Hog: crab66: You can't prevent all drunk driving so why have any laws?

Gunnut logic.

Look, all we want is *reasonable* regulations on alcohol.

First, stop showing billions of dollars of ads aimed at young people, telling them they can only be happy if they're drunks.

Second, a simple background check at bars and liquor stores to prevent repeat offenders and the mentally ill from being able to buy alcohol.

Third, mandatory alcohol classes before you're allowed to drink. Show people under the influence vomiting, getting violent, and losing motor control. Show aging, liver-damaged drunks with bellies filled with ammonia, drooling because it's melting their brain.

But Noooo -- Big Alcohol owns legislatures everywhere and stops each and every reasonable step to stop those 88,000 deaths.

I got no problem with any of that.

And GUN NUTS:

Keep on comparing guns to alcohol, swimming pools, knives and anything else you can think of. It's a really convincing argument and in no way makes you look like desperate idiots.

Eh, the alcohol argument actually has some merit. The only reason people drink alcohol is for enjoyment.

The slight health benefits you *might* get from it (which only happens with significant moderation) can be found elsewhere with things that don't cause domestic violence, impaired driving, unplanned pregnancies, injuries, property damage, ect...

By contrast, guns can actually have a useful purpose in hunting and self protection.


fark you, jack ass, getting drunk as a form of enjoyment is more important than you killing some farking animals, or burglars. in fact, i am drunk right now. wanna go? c'mon, let's fight. put em up, you farking pussy, or i'll punch you right in the face.

mr cuzsis is now bleeding on the floor, and i have won this argument. thank you, thank you very much!

/alcohol wins, every time!
 
2014-06-27 04:37:20 AM  
Now, when you put alcohol and guns together, you've really got something.
i18.photobucket.com
 
2014-06-27 04:49:59 AM  
Death by alcohol can be considered suicide, and as such it should be excluded in line with the gun-death statistics....
 
2014-06-27 04:55:27 AM  

some_beer_drinker: getting drunk as a form of enjoyment is more important than you killing some farking animals, or burglars.


Yes. Getting wasted is certainly more important than being able to keep yourself from being murdered. Farking idiot.
 
2014-06-27 05:02:24 AM  

taurusowner: some_beer_drinker: getting drunk as a form of enjoyment is more important than you killing some farking animals, or burglars.

Yes. Getting wasted is certainly more important than being able to keep yourself from being murdered. Farking idiot.


I've been wasted many times but I've yet to be murdered by a burglar. You've got to factor in the odds.
 
2014-06-27 05:04:22 AM  

tinyarena: I like the way you think. Strike at the heart.


Being literate in history, I'm strongly against any form of gun control that doesn't start with the government.  But I can respect the position of those who want to repeal the Second Amendment, even while disagreeing with it.  The Constitution was intended as a living document, and it contains provisions for its own modification.  A repeal movement, unlike the death-by-a-thousand-pointless-cuts approach of traditional gun control policy, is part of a legitimate democratic process.
 
2014-06-27 05:05:12 AM  
Popcorn anyone?

/just surprised no one is arguing the numbers.
 
2014-06-27 05:07:13 AM  

TwistedIvory: Bill_Wick's_Friend: You can't carry an open beer around in the USA.

Louisiana?


Las Vegas you can. Hell, I did it more than enough in Chicago and nothing was said. Sure, it's not legal but like Chicago cops care about that or a joint unless you're being an idiot about it.

violentsalvation:

I see star anise at homebrewing stores but I have no idea what it smells or tastes like.

Basically it's the base ingredient for licorice. Just imagine really really strong tasting and smelling licorice.

MurphyMurphy: Living is killing more and more people every day!

To date, life has a proven 100% mortality rate!

The more people that are born, the more keep dying!

WHEN ARE WE GOING TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS PEOPLE!?!?!?


The day we cure the scourge that is 'natural causes'. Why is there not more research into curing it?!?
 
2014-06-27 05:11:49 AM  

Tunney: taurusowner: some_beer_drinker: getting drunk as a form of enjoyment is more important than you killing some farking animals, or burglars.

Yes. Getting wasted is certainly more important than being able to keep yourself from being murdered. Farking idiot.

I've been wasted many times but I've yet to be murdered by a burglar. You've got to factor in the odds.


No. You don't. The odds of you getting a flat tire are pretty low. The odds of you having a fire in your house are even lower. But fire spare tires, jacks, fire extinguishers, and smoke detectors are still great ideas no matter what the odds are. And don't try to deflect with the "yeah but those aren't designed to hurt people" trope. You brought up the odds of something bad happening as a reason not to own a tool. That point is hollow.

And the odds sure as shiat didn't manner to all the people who in fact do encounter home invasions. Even less to the ones who were assaulted, raped, or murdered.
 
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