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(Sydney Morning Herald)   Booze kills roughly three times as many people per year than guns. When will it be time to have a discussion about high capacity pint glasses and assault bourbons?   (m.smh.com.au) divider line 360
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2014-06-26 09:01:01 PM  
From my cold, dead hands!
 
2014-06-26 09:14:28 PM  
There are warning labels on liquor in the USA.

You can't carry an open beer around in the USA.

Minors, even under supervision, are prohibited from using liquor in the USA.

I can keep going. I can think of many many ways in which liquor is regulated in the USA with the purpose of minimizing the harm alcohol does to society. Similar measures with regards to guns are decried as draconian gun-grabbing anti-constitutional totalitarianism by the NRA crowd.
 
2014-06-26 10:34:27 PM  

Bill_Wick's_Friend: You can't carry an open beer around in the USA.


Louisiana?
 
2014-06-26 10:36:00 PM  

Bill_Wick's_Friend: There are warning labels on liquor in the USA.

You can't carry an open beer around in the USA.

Minors, even under supervision, are prohibited from using liquor in the USA.

I can keep going. I can think of many many ways in which liquor is regulated in the USA with the purpose of minimizing the harm alcohol does to society. Similar measures with regards to guns are decried as draconian gun-grabbing anti-constitutional totalitarianism by the NRA crowd.


By the way, your arguments here do fall flat. Firearms are heavily regulated. There are tons of warning labels on new firearms. Minors are prohibited from owning firearms. Carrying firearms (openly or concealed) is heavily regulated throughout the country, with each state having a different approach.

I see where you're coming from and I get it (the false equivalency argument) but the examples you set forth fall flat.
 
2014-06-26 10:36:10 PM  
Many states don't prohibit "open container". Ever been to Mardi Gras?

Many states allow minors to drink under adult supervision. Even been to a Mass?
 
2014-06-26 11:29:57 PM  
Booooooze. It's what's for dinner.
 
2014-06-26 11:50:07 PM  
Yeah? Well, hurry the f*ck up
 
2014-06-26 11:55:16 PM  
I don't have to worry about a guy on the street trying to rob me with a bottle of schnapps.  If a kid finds his dad case of Coors he isn't going to kill himself or his friend with it.  A maniac can't use a fifth of rum to kill dozens of unsuspecting people.
 
2014-06-26 11:59:35 PM  
I like bourbon.

/neat
 
2014-06-27 12:00:19 AM  
I don't object to people killing themselves with something, different situation.
 
2014-06-27 12:10:09 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: A maniac can't use a fifth of rum to kill dozens of unsuspecting people.


Maybe if he quietly chains the doors shut and turns the fifth into a molotov.

I'm sick of farking gun threads.

This is a booze thread, anybody drinking anything interesting?
 
2014-06-27 12:21:59 AM  

violentsalvation: TuteTibiImperes: A maniac can't use a fifth of rum to kill dozens of unsuspecting people.

Maybe if he quietly chains the doors shut and turns the fifth into a molotov.

I'm sick of farking gun threads.

This is a booze thread, anybody drinking anything interesting?


I had some Sweetwater 420 tonight. That's not very interesting. In addition, I sipped a shot of Asmara - a bootleg star anise liquor from Eritrea. That was interesting. You can purchase an Italian liquor called Misrata in the US that is similar.
 
2014-06-27 12:25:23 AM  

violentsalvation: TuteTibiImperes: A maniac can't use a fifth of rum to kill dozens of unsuspecting people.

Maybe if he quietly chains the doors shut and turns the fifth into a molotov.

I'm sick of farking gun threads.

This is a booze thread, anybody drinking anything interesting?


Angry Orchard Traditional Dry hard cider

/I drink my apple a day
//ok... several apples
 
2014-06-27 12:32:31 AM  

Rapmaster2000: violentsalvation: TuteTibiImperes: A maniac can't use a fifth of rum to kill dozens of unsuspecting people.

Maybe if he quietly chains the doors shut and turns the fifth into a molotov.

I'm sick of farking gun threads.

This is a booze thread, anybody drinking anything interesting?

I had some Sweetwater 420 tonight. That's not very interesting. In addition, I sipped a shot of Asmara - a bootleg star anise liquor from Eritrea. That was interesting. You can purchase an Italian liquor called Misrata in the US that is similar.


That bootleg stuff sounds interesting, I see star anise at homebrewing stores but I have no idea what it smells or tastes like. I'm drinking a Lumberyard IPA brewed in Flagstaff. It has a really nice citrus taste to it.
 
2014-06-27 12:36:50 AM  

Gecko Gingrich: Many states don't prohibit "open container". Ever been to Mardi Gras?

Many states allow minors to drink under adult supervision. Even been to a Mass?


Your weird example that Communion is "drinking" is even more bizarre than your argument over on the Politics tab that arguing against legal precedent is contempt of Constitution.


What the hell are you drinking?
 
2014-06-27 12:38:42 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: violentsalvation: TuteTibiImperes: A maniac can't use a fifth of rum to kill dozens of unsuspecting people.

Maybe if he quietly chains the doors shut and turns the fifth into a molotov.

I'm sick of farking gun threads.

This is a booze thread, anybody drinking anything interesting?

Angry Orchard Traditional Dry hard cider

/I drink my apple a day
//ok... several apples


It's weird to see so many hard ciders popping up, especially out of what I'd been accustomed to considering the cider seasons, fall and winter, but apparently they are really earning their spots on the shelf just like the craft brews. I've never drank hard cider from a store, I bet they hit the spot on a cold day. But right now, a cold day would hit the spot even more.
 
2014-06-27 12:40:17 AM  

images.smh.com.au

Binge drinking is a huge killer in the US, blamed for claiming 88,000 lives a year. Photo: Jennifer Soo


Did she take this picture after drinking a whole bottle of red and half a bottle of white wine?  It looks that way.
 
2014-06-27 12:41:21 AM  
I don't see why we can't ban alcohol from being served in large glasses. What difference does it make if you drink beer one ounce at a time instead of 12? It'll keep kids who don't know any better drinking too fast.

The ATF could make it simple, one bend of the wrist equals one shot.

Bill_Wick's_Friend: You can't carry an open beer around in the USA.


You can in some places and you can't in others. Same as guns.

Bill_Wick's_Friend: There are warning labels on liquor in the USA.


Guns have them too. Usually it's simple and just a red mark letting you know it's dangerous.

TuteTibiImperes: If a kid finds his dad case of Coors he isn't going to kill himself or his friend with it.


Well not if they point it at each other. If they drink it, yes, it can happen.
 
2014-06-27 12:42:14 AM  
In Canada I snapped a wet towel at someone, and I did 5 years of hard time. 2 extra years because it was wet! Thank god they didn't find the snake in the can!
 
2014-06-27 12:42:24 AM  
...we did have that discussion.  It was called Prohibition. It was a colossal failure, mainly because the people who had an interest in keeping the booze flowing also had guns.
 
2014-06-27 12:43:08 AM  
You can take my Buffalo Trace when you pr. . .

naughtyrev: From my cold, dead hands!


Dammit!
 
2014-06-27 12:44:10 AM  
This is why everyone should carry booze with them at all times.
 
2014-06-27 12:44:14 AM  

violentsalvation: MaudlinMutantMollusk: violentsalvation: TuteTibiImperes: A maniac can't use a fifth of rum to kill dozens of unsuspecting people.

Maybe if he quietly chains the doors shut and turns the fifth into a molotov.

I'm sick of farking gun threads.

This is a booze thread, anybody drinking anything interesting?

Angry Orchard Traditional Dry hard cider

/I drink my apple a day
//ok... several apples

It's weird to see so many hard ciders popping up, especially out of what I'd been accustomed to considering the cider seasons, fall and winter, but apparently they are really earning their spots on the shelf just like the craft brews. I've never drank hard cider from a store, I bet they hit the spot on a cold day. But right now, a cold day would hit the spot even more.


Having just arrived in England and seen the ample selection and variety of ciders here its amazing that they havent caught on more in the states. I would say the average ABV on the ciders here is somewhere around 7-8% so theyre no joke when you start having more than a few at a time. Ive had a couple up near the 12% line and theyre just as smooth as their weaker siblings.
 
2014-06-27 12:45:53 AM  

RangerTaylor: You can take my Buffalo Trace when you pr. . .

naughtyrev: From my cold, dead hands!

Dammit!


Do you really want to ice it down before you drink it? Maybe it should be from your room temperatured hand?
 
2014-06-27 12:46:12 AM  

Bill_Wick's_Friend: There are warning labels on liquor in the USA.

You can't carry an open beer around in the USA.

Minors, even under supervision, are prohibited from using liquor in the USA.

I can keep going. I can think of many many ways in which liquor is regulated in the USA with the purpose of minimizing the harm alcohol does to society. Similar measures with regards to guns are decried as draconian gun-grabbing anti-constitutional totalitarianism by the NRA crowd.


Yeah, funny thing.  It's almost as if we have don't have a Constitutional amendment that guarantees the right to get smashed, or something.
 
2014-06-27 12:46:19 AM  

Bill_Wick's_Friend: There are warning labels on liquor in the USA.

You can't carry an open beer around in the USA.

Minors, even under supervision, are prohibited from using liquor in the USA.

I can keep going. I can think of many many ways in which liquor is regulated in the USA with the purpose of minimizing the harm alcohol does to society. Similar measures with regards to guns are decried as draconian gun-grabbing anti-constitutional totalitarianism by the NRA crowd.


People don't have a Constitutional right to drink alcohol. And no, that's not what the 21st amendment did. There have already been enough infringements (admittedly some were logical) on the 2nd amendment (which shall not be infringed, technically) that--while I don't like the NRA--I don't blame them for saying enough is enough.
 
2014-06-27 12:46:58 AM  

violentsalvation: That bootleg stuff sounds interesting, I see star anise at homebrewing stores but I have no idea what it smells or tastes like. I'm drinking a Lumberyard IPA brewed in Flagstaff. It has a really nice citrus taste to it.


It's the same smell as black licorice.  I suppose it would be similar to sambuca if you've tried that.
 
2014-06-27 12:47:01 AM  
Binge? Is that like Newfie Screech?
 
2014-06-27 12:47:16 AM  
Living is killing more and more people every day!

To date, life has a proven 100% mortality rate!

The more people that are born, the more keep dying!

WHEN ARE WE GOING TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS PEOPLE!?!?!?
 
2014-06-27 12:47:16 AM  

Gecko Gingrich: Many states don't prohibit "open container". Ever been to Mardi Gras?

Many states allow minors to drink under adult supervision. Even been to a Mass?


That isn't wine, it's the literal blood of Jesus Christ.
It's called "Transubstantiation" and it's a totally real thing if you're a freaking idiot.
 
2014-06-27 12:47:54 AM  
Heart disease due to diet kills more than that. Pretty sure the runs kill more than booze
 
2014-06-27 12:47:56 AM  

violentsalvation: It's weird to see so many hard ciders popping up, especially out of what I'd been accustomed to considering the cider seasons, fall and winter, but apparently they are really earning their spots on the shelf just like the craft brews. I've never drank hard cider from a store, I bet they hit the spot on a cold day. But right now, a cold day would hit the spot even more.


I'm a hops heretic: I really don't like most craft beers because they're over hopped. Bitter is not my favorite taste, I guess. So I decided to try cider. I discovered the number of styles and flavors were as diverse as craft beers, and it rarely has that "I just ate a dead rat" after taste

/my problem is a good, cold dry cider goes down WAY too easy on a hot day
 
2014-06-27 12:48:14 AM  

valkore: [images.smh.com.au image 200x300]Binge drinking is a huge killer in the US, blamed for claiming 88,000 lives a year. Photo: Jennifer Soo
Did she take this picture after drinking a whole bottle of red and half a bottle of white wine?  It looks that way.


I guess it depends upon her appetite.
 
2014-06-27 12:49:20 AM  
No need to omit the mention of guns from your headline just because some silly article did, right, Trollmitter?
 
2014-06-27 12:49:36 AM  

Man On Pink Corner: Bill_Wick's_Friend: There are warning labels on liquor in the USA.

You can't carry an open beer around in the USA.

Minors, even under supervision, are prohibited from using liquor in the USA.

I can keep going. I can think of many many ways in which liquor is regulated in the USA with the purpose of minimizing the harm alcohol does to society. Similar measures with regards to guns are decried as draconian gun-grabbing anti-constitutional totalitarianism by the NRA crowd.

Yeah, funny thing.  It's almost as if we have don't have a Constitutional amendment that guarantees the right to get smashed, or something.


I like the way you think. Strike at the heart.
img.fark.net
 
2014-06-27 12:50:40 AM  
violentsalvation:
This is a booze thread, anybody drinking anything interesting?

Dunno if it counts as 'interesting' but: 1.5 pint mason jar, fill 1/3 with ice, give it a few fingers of Captain Morgan, about four ounces of Simply Orange OJ (all other OJ is gross), then fill the remainder with carbonated water. It's simple, but refreshing, and the size of the jar = I don't have to get up for a refill for a long time.
 
2014-06-27 12:51:13 AM  

gamergirl23: violentsalvation: That bootleg stuff sounds interesting, I see star anise at homebrewing stores but I have no idea what it smells or tastes like. I'm drinking a Lumberyard IPA brewed in Flagstaff. It has a really nice citrus taste to it.


It's the same smell as black licorice.  I suppose it would be similar to sambuca if you've tried that.


I haven't tried sambuca, but black licorice is yucky to me. No thanks, I'll pass on those then.
 
2014-06-27 12:52:46 AM  

ladyfortuna: violentsalvation:
This is a booze thread, anybody drinking anything interesting?

Dunno if it counts as 'interesting' but: 1.5 pint mason jar, fill 1/3 with ice, give it a few fingers of Captain Morgan, about four ounces of Simply Orange OJ (all other OJ is gross), then fill the remainder with carbonated water. It's simple, but refreshing, and the size of the jar = I don't have to get up for a refill for a long time.


I like your style, Ma'am

/cheers!
 
2014-06-27 12:52:53 AM  
Let's have the discussion when distillers start optimizing their product for its lethality or its knock down power and sell it to us as a means of defending our homes against the government's "jack booted thugs" or home invaders.  Until then, just STFU.
 
2014-06-27 12:53:01 AM  

violentsalvation: TuteTibiImperes: A maniac can't use a fifth of rum to kill dozens of unsuspecting people.

Maybe if he quietly chains the doors shut and turns the fifth into a molotov.

I'm sick of farking gun threads.

This is a booze thread, anybody drinking anything interesting?


Jameson and bitters. Sounds odd, I know, but it's quite tasty.
 
2014-06-27 12:53:26 AM  
The new study, published on Thursday in Preventing Chronic Disease, a journal from the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention

If the Booze Lobby had any clout they'd be able to shut down these studies like the NRA did with gun violence.
 
2014-06-27 12:53:57 AM  

violentsalvation: MaudlinMutantMollusk: violentsalvation: TuteTibiImperes: A maniac can't use a fifth of rum to kill dozens of unsuspecting people.

Maybe if he quietly chains the doors shut and turns the fifth into a molotov.

I'm sick of farking gun threads.

This is a booze thread, anybody drinking anything interesting?

Angry Orchard Traditional Dry hard cider

/I drink my apple a day
//ok... several apples

It's weird to see so many hard ciders popping up, especially out of what I'd been accustomed to considering the cider seasons, fall and winter, but apparently they are really earning their spots on the shelf just like the craft brews. I've never drank hard cider from a store, I bet they hit the spot on a cold day. But right now, a cold day would hit the spot even more.


I think there is a growing segment of the market who, rightly or wrongly (I'm not judging here), feel that there are certain things in beer that interact with their bodies in undesirable ways. I've heard people mention the yeast, gluten, hops, calories, carbs, and everything-but-the-water in beer as the offending party. Pair that with the uptick of smaller cider brands pushing a more dry and flavorful product, and I think we're seeing a lot more acceptance of cider as a viable addition to the drinking landscape.

Oh, and I'm sipping on some hombrew gueze.
 
2014-06-27 12:54:11 AM  
I like how this is the blanket argument from gun nuts now.


See, something else kills people too! Therefore mass shootings are fine.


Flawless logic.
 
2014-06-27 12:54:26 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: I don't have to worry about a guy on the street trying to rob me with a bottle of schnapps.   If a kid finds his dad case of Coors he isn't going to kill himself or his friend with it.  A maniac can't use a fifth of rum to kill dozens of unsuspecting people.


No the car they get into will. Or they will get into an argument depending upon what personality manifests when they drink and maybe get all stabby over which way the toilet paper goes on the rack.
 
2014-06-27 12:55:09 AM  

violentsalvation: TuteTibiImperes: A maniac can't use a fifth of rum to kill dozens of unsuspecting people.

Maybe if he quietly chains the doors shut and turns the fifth into a molotov.

I'm sick of farking gun threads.

This is a booze thread, anybody drinking anything interesting?


A local grocery chain was bought out by another company and they've been putting the liquor the old chain carried by that they don't on clearance so I've been picking some stuff up when it was cheap.

www.nakedturtle.com

Naked Turtle Rum - I'm normally not a white rum fan, I like the darker stuff, but this was pretty good.  It's very sweet for a traditional rum (no sugar or sweeteners added like flavored rums) and has some vanilla notes in the flavor.

www.bourbonblog.com

Revel Stoke Spiced Whiskey - Another thing I normally wouldn't buy, but for half off, I figured what the hell.  It's whiskey with spices, has a sort of holiday taste, it's good with coke.

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El Zarco Tequila - Eh, it's tequila.  Every now and again I buy a new tequila hoping I'll like it, and each time I reaffirm to myself that I just don't like tequila.
 
2014-06-27 12:55:43 AM  
88,000 lives?  Maybe, but consider the liquor tax revenue.
 
2014-06-27 12:56:02 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: ladyfortuna: violentsalvation:
This is a booze thread, anybody drinking anything interesting?

Dunno if it counts as 'interesting' but: 1.5 pint mason jar, fill 1/3 with ice, give it a few fingers of Captain Morgan, about four ounces of Simply Orange OJ (all other OJ is gross), then fill the remainder with carbonated water. It's simple, but refreshing, and the size of the jar = I don't have to get up for a refill for a long time.

I like your style, Ma'am

/cheers!


Why, thank you. *clinks jar with your vessel of choice*
 
2014-06-27 12:57:07 AM  

ladyfortuna: violentsalvation:
This is a booze thread, anybody drinking anything interesting?

Dunno if it counts as 'interesting' but: 1.5 pint mason jar, fill 1/3 with ice, give it a few fingers of Captain Morgan, about four ounces of Simply Orange OJ (all other OJ is gross), then fill the remainder with carbonated water. It's simple, but refreshing, and the size of the jar = I don't have to get up for a refill for a long time.


I drink my homebrew out of pint mason jars, and there is definitely a trick to it. If I pucker up for a sip at the wrong part of the jar's threads I make a bit of a mess down my shirt. It does serve as a nice "GO TO BED" indicator though.
 
2014-06-27 12:57:40 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Gecko Gingrich: Many states don't prohibit "open container". Ever been to Mardi Gras?

Many states allow minors to drink under adult supervision. Even been to a Mass?

Your weird example that Communion is "drinking" is even more bizarre than your argument over on the Politics tab that arguing against legal precedent is contempt of Constitution.


What the hell are you drinking?


How about this, then?
http://www2.potsdam.edu/alcohol/Youth Issues/Most-States-in-US-Permit- D rinking-Under-the-Age-of-21.html

Underage consumption is widely allowed under many circumstances.
 
2014-06-27 12:58:50 AM  

Bill_Wick's_Friend: There are warning labels on liquor in the USA.

You can't carry an open beer around in the USA.

Minors, even under supervision, are prohibited from using liquor in the USA.

I can keep going. I can think of many many ways in which liquor is regulated in the USA with the purpose of minimizing the harm alcohol does to society. Similar measures with regards to guns are decried as draconian gun-grabbing anti-constitutional totalitarianism by the NRA crowd.


Hey, little dick wick, you're full of shiat three times over. There are also warning labels with guns. You can, depending on location, carry an open beer legally. And also, depending on location, minors can consume liquor while under supervision of a parent or guardian.

Care to try and spread any more lies?

/three strikes and you're out, lunchmeat
 
2014-06-27 01:00:28 AM  
I like drinking and owning firearms, so I have that going for me.

/Never mix the two.
//Love going to my local beer bar after the range.
 
2014-06-27 01:01:17 AM  

crab66: I like how this is the blanket argument from gun nuts now.


See, something else kills people too! Therefore mass shootings are fine.


Flawless logic.


Nobody is saying that, you farking twit.
 
2014-06-27 01:01:36 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: I don't have to worry about a guy on the street trying to rob me with a bottle of schnapps.  If a kid finds his dad case of Coors he isn't going to kill himself or his friend with it.  A maniac can't use a fifth of rum to kill dozens of unsuspecting people.


Exactly! Alcohol ONLY hurts the people who use it and has no effect whatsoever on family members and/or complete strangers. Well, unless those people drink that booze and then climb behind the wheel of their SUV and mow down your entire family as you walk down the street. Or, I suppose, if they get drunk and violent and stab you in the face for eyeballin' their woman. Or if your parent/spouse/whoever likes to get hammered and then use you as a punching bag. Other than that though, alcohol abuse is pretty much victimless, unlike those scary guns that constantly thirst for the blood of the innocent.
 
2014-06-27 01:02:09 AM  

violentsalvation: This is a booze thread, anybody drinking anything interesting?


Small's Gin, freezer temperature, no ice.  Good on it's own, but I make it more interesting by chucking a piece of fruit in.  It just gives a little juice to the gin, then at the end I get a gin-infused treat.  Tonight was pineapple, which worked better than I expected.
 
2014-06-27 01:02:24 AM  

violentsalvation: TuteTibiImperes: A maniac can't use a fifth of rum to kill dozens of unsuspecting people.

Maybe if he quietly chains the doors shut and turns the fifth into a molotov.

I'm sick of farking gun threads.

This is a booze thread, anybody drinking anything interesting?


Water.

*sigh* damn low-carb diet.
 
2014-06-27 01:02:24 AM  
www.vinotwo.com

I smelled the stopper on a bottle of Louis XIII once. It cost me $20.
 
2014-06-27 01:04:37 AM  
Pretty soon, people will want to be MARRYING BEER
When will it end
 
2014-06-27 01:05:27 AM  

Bill_Wick's_Friend: You can't carry an open beer around in the USA.


I didn't get that memo.
 
2014-06-27 01:05:40 AM  

Begoggle: Pretty soon, people will want to be MARRYING BEER
When will it end


Craft perverters?
 
2014-06-27 01:06:33 AM  

mod3072: TuteTibiImperes: I don't have to worry about a guy on the street trying to rob me with a bottle of schnapps.  If a kid finds his dad case of Coors he isn't going to kill himself or his friend with it.  A maniac can't use a fifth of rum to kill dozens of unsuspecting people.

Exactly! Alcohol ONLY hurts the people who use it and has no effect whatsoever on family members and/or complete strangers. Well, unless those people drink that booze and then climb behind the wheel of their SUV and mow down your entire family as you walk down the street. Or, I suppose, if they get drunk and violent and stab you in the face for eyeballin' their woman. Or if your parent/spouse/whoever likes to get hammered and then use you as a punching bag. Other than that though, alcohol abuse is pretty much victimless, unlike those scary guns that constantly thirst for the blood of the innocent.


Assault is illegal even if you aren't under the influence of alcohol.  Drunk driving is alcohol related, sure, but it's also illegal, and the police can legally set up checkpoints to check for drunk drivers, or pull people over if they suspect they are driving drunk.

The closest gun equivalent to drunk driving would be concealed and open carry.  It takes the risk of gun ownership and brings it into the public, just like drunk driving takes the risk of alcohol consumption and brings it into the public.  The big difference is that we believe people have the constitutional right to carry guns around.  The police can't set up checkpoints to see if people are carrying legally or illegally, and they can't pull people over based on the suspicious of a gun in the vehicle.

Outlawing something doesn't make it go away, but we as a country are pretty damn harsh on drunk drivers.
 
2014-06-27 01:06:50 AM  

LunarAtom: violentsalvation: MaudlinMutantMollusk: violentsalvation: TuteTibiImperes: A maniac can't use a fifth of rum to kill dozens of unsuspecting people.

Maybe if he quietly chains the doors shut and turns the fifth into a molotov.

I'm sick of farking gun threads.

This is a booze thread, anybody drinking anything interesting?

Angry Orchard Traditional Dry hard cider

/I drink my apple a day
//ok... several apples

It's weird to see so many hard ciders popping up, especially out of what I'd been accustomed to considering the cider seasons, fall and winter, but apparently they are really earning their spots on the shelf just like the craft brews. I've never drank hard cider from a store, I bet they hit the spot on a cold day. But right now, a cold day would hit the spot even more.

Having just arrived in England and seen the ample selection and variety of ciders here its amazing that they havent caught on more in the states. I would say the average ABV on the ciders here is somewhere around 7-8% so theyre no joke when you start having more than a few at a time. Ive had a couple up near the 12% line and theyre just as smooth as their weaker siblings.


When I was there and didn't know such things existed, I bought a bottle of what I thought was sparkling apple juice. Had some in the morning with breakfast. About halfway through the glass I realized I was gonna report for duty half pissed.

/they only warned us about the OTC cough syrup!
 
2014-06-27 01:09:12 AM  

Begoggle: Pretty soon, people will want to be MARRYING BEER
When will it end


Can't be worse than marrying a husband...
 
2014-06-27 01:10:08 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: mod3072: TuteTibiImperes: I don't have to worry about a guy on the street trying to rob me with a bottle of schnapps.  If a kid finds his dad case of Coors he isn't going to kill himself or his friend with it.  A maniac can't use a fifth of rum to kill dozens of unsuspecting people.

Exactly! Alcohol ONLY hurts the people who use it and has no effect whatsoever on family members and/or complete strangers. Well, unless those people drink that booze and then climb behind the wheel of their SUV and mow down your entire family as you walk down the street. Or, I suppose, if they get drunk and violent and stab you in the face for eyeballin' their woman. Or if your parent/spouse/whoever likes to get hammered and then use you as a punching bag. Other than that though, alcohol abuse is pretty much victimless, unlike those scary guns that constantly thirst for the blood of the innocent.

Assault is illegal even if you aren't under the influence of alcohol.  Drunk driving is alcohol related, sure, but it's also illegal, and the police can legally set up checkpoints to check for drunk drivers, or pull people over if they suspect they are driving drunk.

The closest gun equivalent to drunk driving would be concealed and open carry.  It takes the risk of gun ownership and brings it into the public, just like drunk driving takes the risk of alcohol consumption and brings it into the public.  The big difference is that we believe people have the constitutional right to carry guns around.  The police can't set up checkpoints to see if people are carrying legally or illegally, and they can't pull people over based on the suspicious of a gun in the vehicle.

Outlawing something doesn't make it go away, but we as a country are pretty damn harsh on drunk drivers.


Murder is already illegal even if you don't use a gun. Assault is illegal even if you don't use a gun. We're pretty damn harsh on murderers too.
 
2014-06-27 01:10:26 AM  

Begoggle: Pretty soon, people will want to be MARRYING BEER
When will it end


At least beer never nags.

/I love you, beer.
 
2014-06-27 01:10:41 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: I don't have to worry about a guy on the street trying to rob me with a bottle of schnapps.  If a kid finds his dad case of Coors he isn't going to kill himself or his friend with it.  A maniac can't use a fifth of rum to kill dozens of unsuspecting people.


Just wait until they get behind the wheel
 
2014-06-27 01:12:53 AM  

violentsalvation: TuteTibiImperes: A maniac can't use a fifth of rum to kill dozens of unsuspecting people.

Maybe if he quietly chains the doors shut and turns the fifth into a molotov.

I'm sick of farking gun threads.

This is a booze thread, anybody drinking anything interesting?


I had a couple of Diamond Knot IPAs after work.....so I have that going for me....which is nice.
 
2014-06-27 01:13:26 AM  
We can't talk about this.  We are to damn drunk to form proper sentences...
 
2014-06-27 01:14:23 AM  
Propose a ban on 30 round magazines? fark you.

Propose a ban on 30 packs of beer? fark you.
 
2014-06-27 01:16:35 AM  

ladyfortuna: Begoggle: Pretty soon, people will want to be MARRYING BEER
When will it end

Can't be worse than marrying a husband...


Heyheyhey... we already got guns and alcohol in here

/let's not drag the whole sex thing into it, too
//some drunk might start shooting
///even worse if it's with a gun
 
2014-06-27 01:18:08 AM  

Bill_Wick's_Friend: There are warning labels on liquor in the USA.

You can't carry an open beer around in the USA.

Minors, even under supervision, are prohibited from using liquor in the USA.

I can keep going. I can think of many many ways in which liquor is regulated in the USA with the purpose of minimizing the harm alcohol does to society. Similar measures with regards to guns are decried as draconian gun-grabbing anti-constitutional totalitarianism by the NRA crowd.


So. You stupidly believe there are NO regulations on guns then? Otherwise your post has no point.
 
2014-06-27 01:18:21 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Assault is illegal even if you aren't under the influence of alcohol.


TuteTibiImperes: mod3072: TuteTibiImperes: I don't have to worry about a guy on the street trying to rob me with a bottle of schnapps.  If a kid finds his dad case of Coors he isn't going to kill himself or his friend with it.  A maniac can't use a fifth of rum to kill dozens of unsuspecting people.

Exactly! Alcohol ONLY hurts the people who use it and has no effect whatsoever on family members and/or complete strangers. Well, unless those people drink that booze and then climb behind the wheel of their SUV and mow down your entire family as you walk down the street. Or, I suppose, if they get drunk and violent and stab you in the face for eyeballin' their woman. Or if your parent/spouse/whoever likes to get hammered and then use you as a punching bag. Other than that though, alcohol abuse is pretty much victimless, unlike those scary guns that constantly thirst for the blood of the innocent.

Assault is illegal even if you aren't under the influence of alcohol.  Drunk driving is alcohol related, sure, but it's also illegal, and the police can legally set up checkpoints to check for drunk drivers, or pull people over if they suspect they are driving drunk.

The closest gun equivalent to drunk driving would be concealed and open carry.  It takes the risk of gun ownership and brings it into the public, just like drunk driving takes the risk of alcohol consumption and brings it into the public.  The big difference is that we believe people have the constitutional right to carry guns around.  The police can't set up checkpoints to see if people are carrying legally or illegally, and they can't pull people over based on the suspicious of a gun in the vehicle.

Outlawing something doesn't make it go away, but we as a country are pretty damn harsh on drunk drivers.


Checkpoints are illegal in a dozen states or so as per state law or interpretation of state constitution.

Shooting someone and killing them is illegal. Shooting someone without killing them is illegal.

We are pretty damn harsh on gun related homicderers.
 
2014-06-27 01:19:27 AM  

umad: Murder is already illegal even if you don't use a gun. Assault is illegal even if you don't use a gun. We're pretty damn harsh on murderers too.


/shakes fist
//next time I don't care if its not a fart, I'm not getting up.
 
2014-06-27 01:20:21 AM  

Giltric: TuteTibiImperes: Assault is illegal even if you aren't under the influence of alcohol.

TuteTibiImperes: mod3072: TuteTibiImperes: I don't have to worry about a guy on the street trying to rob me with a bottle of schnapps.  If a kid finds his dad case of Coors he isn't going to kill himself or his friend with it.  A maniac can't use a fifth of rum to kill dozens of unsuspecting people.

Exactly! Alcohol ONLY hurts the people who use it and has no effect whatsoever on family members and/or complete strangers. Well, unless those people drink that booze and then climb behind the wheel of their SUV and mow down your entire family as you walk down the street. Or, I suppose, if they get drunk and violent and stab you in the face for eyeballin' their woman. Or if your parent/spouse/whoever likes to get hammered and then use you as a punching bag. Other than that though, alcohol abuse is pretty much victimless, unlike those scary guns that constantly thirst for the blood of the innocent.

Assault is illegal even if you aren't under the influence of alcohol.  Drunk driving is alcohol related, sure, but it's also illegal, and the police can legally set up checkpoints to check for drunk drivers, or pull people over if they suspect they are driving drunk.

The closest gun equivalent to drunk driving would be concealed and open carry.  It takes the risk of gun ownership and brings it into the public, just like drunk driving takes the risk of alcohol consumption and brings it into the public.  The big difference is that we believe people have the constitutional right to carry guns around.  The police can't set up checkpoints to see if people are carrying legally or illegally, and they can't pull people over based on the suspicious of a gun in the vehicle.

Outlawing something doesn't make it go away, but we as a country are pretty damn harsh on drunk drivers.

Checkpoints are illegal in a dozen states or so as per state law or interpretation of state constitution.

Shooting someo ...


Most places have laws about open containers and public intoxication, everywhere has laws against drunk driving to mitigate the risks.  Very few places have laws against carrying firearms in public.
 
2014-06-27 01:20:41 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: I don't have to worry about a guy on the street trying to rob me with a bottle of schnapps.  If a kid finds his dad case of Coors he isn't going to kill himself or his friend with it.  A maniac can't use a fifth of rum to kill dozens of unsuspecting people.


Really? Add a motor vehicle to those last two.
 
2014-06-27 01:21:41 AM  

crab66: I like how this is the blanket argument from gun nuts now.


See, something else kills people too! Therefore mass shootings are fine.


Flawless logic.


They have no real argument, so they resort to bullshiat.  Luckily for them, the country is full of gullible idiots.
 
2014-06-27 01:23:33 AM  
"time to ban" posts are  so farking hackneyed
 
2014-06-27 01:25:04 AM  

Pokey.Clyde: There are also warning labels with guns


WARNING: The Surgeon General has determined that purchasing guns you intend to brag about to your friends and/or neighbors is a leading cause of douchebagginess.
 
2014-06-27 01:25:56 AM  
Hey, don't get all smug, Australia:

i61.tinypic.com

List of countries by alcohol consumption
 
2014-06-27 01:27:03 AM  

Emposter: crab66: I like how this is the blanket argument from gun nuts now.


See, something else kills people too! Therefore mass shootings are fine.


Flawless logic.

They have no real argument, so they resort to bullshiat.  Luckily for them, the country is full of gullible idiots.


More people die every year from being trampled by cattle than by skydiving accidents. By their logic, we have no need for parachutes.
 
2014-06-27 01:28:07 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: ladyfortuna: Begoggle: Pretty soon, people will want to be MARRYING BEER
When will it end

Can't be worse than marrying a husband...

Heyheyhey... we already got guns and alcohol in here

/let's not drag the whole sex thing into it, too
//some drunk might start shooting
///even worse if it's with a gun


Just because of this post I'm going to get drunk and drive around having sex while shooting my gun.

/aw who am I kidding, I'm only going to be doing one of those things
 
2014-06-27 01:29:34 AM  

stan unusual: Let's have the discussion when distillers start optimizing their product for its lethality or its knock down power and sell it to us as a means of defending our homes against the government's "jack booted thugs" or home invaders.  Until then, just STFU.


Or, you know, optimizing their product to make you farked up stupid and a danger to others all the while selling it to us as a refreshing way to relax.
 
2014-06-27 01:32:28 AM  

Giltric: valkore: [images.smh.com.au image 200x300]Binge drinking is a huge killer in the US, blamed for claiming 88,000 lives a year. Photo: Jennifer Soo
Did she take this picture after drinking a whole bottle of red and half a bottle of white wine?  It looks that way.

I guess it depends upon her appetite.


I see what you did there....bravo.
 
2014-06-27 01:32:32 AM  
I'll just add to the cider discussion. My wife hates beer, but really likes cider, especially when I brew a batch for her at home. She hasn't ever been a huge fan of Smirnoff type of stuff and cider is a nice alternative to wine.

As for hoppy craft brews, I will say that I even though love IPAs, I really try to avoid them when I hit up BevMo and such. Some of our local breweries here in SoCal (Hangar 24 for example) are turning out really good styles that aren't IPAs. Heck, even Stone makes a vanilla porter that is killer and they've never said no to adding more hops (love Stone alot, but I think they should get the lion's share of the blame for hop bombs being the norm)
 
2014-06-27 01:32:33 AM  

Mrbogey: TuteTibiImperes: If a kid finds his dad case of Coors he isn't going to kill himself or his friend with it.


Well not if they point it at each other. If they drink it, yes, it can happen.


Eight beers. In a family environment. Ugh. Didn't exactly happen in the blink of an eye, did it?
I did not know you could die from beer alone, except by drowning. But if the kid choked on vomit, he kinda did go that way.
I'll never understand how anyone can consume more than a six-pack in one sitting. The fluid volume alone is staggering.
 
2014-06-27 01:33:56 AM  
All fun n games until you get your liver yanked out due to it being covered in gang green.
Buddy would not listen to anyone, he knew it all.. drank EVERY SINGLE DAY. Drank 45 beers in a day when there was a derecho forecast (this was after we had been hit by one and had no power for weeks and his excuse was, he didn't want to drink  it HOT like last time... yes, I meant to input the number 45!!!!).
I enjoy a good drink but very picky on beer - it has to have a very strong, full flavor; stuff like Bud Light just doesn't cut it anymore. And, that muddy water, thick shiat - good way to start a fight by handing me that crap.
I prefer good whiskey / scotch.  Have a $100+ bottle of Chivas Regal waiting to be cracked once some friends are all free at the same time (lol even bought a case of bar glass JUST to drink it with - case was 36 in number, not 24 for some reason. Plus a matching, large glass ice bucket.. then stumbled across a mirror in same search, so bought it, too.... Had just sold a few computers and made multiple repairs, so went a little overboard). Crown, Bean, even Seagram's... ONLY one I have a dislike for is Jack - after drinking a bottle at 15, and being sick for 3 days, just the smell pisses me off (and started a bar fight when a smart ass tried to make me smell a shot of it and splashed it in my nose).

But, in all seriousness... I wish I had known of something to do for my long time friend to MAKE him slow down or stop! )no, I do not drink much... I still have MOST of a case left from TWO birthdays ago when I was given 2 cases and multple 40oz of my fav beer as gifts from friends).  I TRIED to talk him into AA meetings, church meetings, involving his family, suggesting getting the drug where if you drink on it, it would make u sick...  I tried everything I could think of; he wound up in THREE hospitals in 2 states then recovery for a grand total of over a month to heal up.
Honestly, now that he stopped drinking (they say if he drinks as little as one alcoholic beverage, it could actually kill him), he is the most boring person on the planet. His GF can't hardly even get him to go to a store (if he wasn;t fishing out money for a new house... I'd lay $1,000 cash he wouldn't have that GF).
Anyhow.. if in my same spot with a friend drinking too much.. SEE if you can try something more.. I just have no idea what more there can be done.

/yeah yeah CSB BS.. just tossing that out there for anyone who has a friend of... well, since 8th grade so 33 years being friends.  Really bums your shiat not to go out for a cold one with best bud anymore because wouldn't listen.  MAYBE telling this story could help just one person? Convince them.
 
2014-06-27 01:34:05 AM  

fusillade762: Hey, don't get all smug, Australia:

[i61.tinypic.com image 358x448]

List of countries by alcohol consumption


Man, the Luxembourgeoise can drink.  I guess they have plenty of time to do it between counting their stacks of money.
 
2014-06-27 01:35:25 AM  

KarmicDisaster: I don't object to people killing themselves with something, different situation.


Well then, we should have places where people can go and off themselves with a gun.  It's a lot quicker and less painful than drinking oneself to death.
 
2014-06-27 01:39:41 AM  

Bill_Wick's_Friend: There are warning labels on liquor in the USA.

You can't carry an open beer around in the USA.

Minors, even under supervision, are prohibited from using liquor in the USA.

I can keep going. I can think of many many ways in which liquor is regulated in the USA with the purpose of minimizing the harm alcohol does to society. Similar measures with regards to guns are decried as draconian gun-grabbing anti-constitutional totalitarianism by the NRA crowd.


What do you consider a minor?  You can't drink until you're 21, but you can bartend when you're 18 (in PA, at least).  I'm pretty sure that if, for example, a contestant on Masterchef Junior needed to use sherry for a recipe, they'd be allowed to.  I see what you're saying, and there are plenty of idiots who say "Instead of banning guns, why don't we ban cars, since the mass shooter used one to get to his destination?" and those people can't be punched hard enough, but I think it's worth bringing up.
 
2014-06-27 01:40:10 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Giltric: TuteTibiImperes: Assault is illegal even if you aren't under the influence of alcohol.

TuteTibiImperes: mod3072: TuteTibiImperes: I don't have to worry about a guy on the street trying to rob me with a bottle of schnapps.  If a kid finds his dad case of Coors he isn't going to kill himself or his friend with it.  A maniac can't use a fifth of rum to kill dozens of unsuspecting people.

Exactly! Alcohol ONLY hurts the people who use it and has no effect whatsoever on family members and/or complete strangers. Well, unless those people drink that booze and then climb behind the wheel of their SUV and mow down your entire family as you walk down the street. Or, I suppose, if they get drunk and violent and stab you in the face for eyeballin' their woman. Or if your parent/spouse/whoever likes to get hammered and then use you as a punching bag. Other than that though, alcohol abuse is pretty much victimless, unlike those scary guns that constantly thirst for the blood of the innocent.

Assault is illegal even if you aren't under the influence of alcohol.  Drunk driving is alcohol related, sure, but it's also illegal, and the police can legally set up checkpoints to check for drunk drivers, or pull people over if they suspect they are driving drunk.

The closest gun equivalent to drunk driving would be concealed and open carry.  It takes the risk of gun ownership and brings it into the public, just like drunk driving takes the risk of alcohol consumption and brings it into the public.  The big difference is that we believe people have the constitutional right to carry guns around.  The police can't set up checkpoints to see if people are carrying legally or illegally, and they can't pull people over based on the suspicious of a gun in the vehicle.

Outlawing something doesn't make it go away, but we as a country are pretty damn harsh on drunk drivers.

Checkpoints are illegal in a dozen states or so as per state law or interpretation of state constitution.

Shooting someo ...

Most places have laws about open containers and public intoxication, everywhere has laws against drunk driving to mitigate the risks.  Very few places have laws against carrying firearms in public.


Most places have laws about discharging a firearm in public or within city limits to mitigate risk.

Most places have laws about carrying a firearm in public. Most places makes it a crime if someone can see the outline of your sidearm through your shirt.

Just like as long as nobody can see your open container in public it doesnt really exist.....or does it.
 
2014-06-27 01:41:49 AM  

LazerFish: Emposter: crab66: I like how this is the blanket argument from gun nuts now.


See, something else kills people too! Therefore mass shootings are fine.


Flawless logic.

They have no real argument, so they resort to bullshiat.  Luckily for them, the country is full of gullible idiots.

More people die every year from being trampled by cattle than by skydiving accidents. By their logic, we have no need for parachutes.


Yeah keep telling yourself and your brain dead friends that is the argument being made and you can ignore the actual FACTS that are really being pointed out to you.
 
2014-06-27 01:43:05 AM  

ladodger34: I'll just add to the cider discussion. My wife hates beer, but really likes cider, especially when I brew a batch for her at home. She hasn't ever been a huge fan of Smirnoff type of stuff and cider is a nice alternative to wine.

As for hoppy craft brews, I will say that I even though love IPAs, I really try to avoid them when I hit up BevMo and such. Some of our local breweries here in SoCal (Hangar 24 for example) are turning out really good styles that aren't IPAs. Heck, even Stone makes a vanilla porter that is killer and they've never said no to adding more hops (love Stone alot, but I think they should get the lion's share of the blame for hop bombs being the norm)


Stone Smoked Porter is one of the few porters/stouts that I really like.  As far as CA beers go, I really have a hard time thinking of anything better than Sierra Nevada Pale Ale.  Sure, it stretches the limits of what can be considered craft beer, but on the plus side it's available pretty much everywhere.  It's just the perfect balance of flavor, hoppyness, bitterness, and drinkability, plus it has some really nice citrus notes.

I think a lot of people write it off like Sam Adams as a mega brew masquerading as a craft brew because they're so big, but it really is a quality product.
 
2014-06-27 01:43:20 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: I don't have to worry about a guy on the street trying to rob me with a bottle of schnapps.  If a kid finds his dad case of Coors he isn't going to kill himself or his friend with it.  A maniac can't use a fifth of rum to kill dozens of unsuspecting people.


No, but with alcohol being associated with 40% of all violent crimes, you have to worry about the guy robbing you on the street after the bottle of schnapps, the kid killing himself after drinking the Coors, and the maniac running over dozens of unsuspecting people after the bottle of rum.
 
2014-06-27 01:44:17 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Very few places have laws against carrying firearms in public.


Bullshiat. Whether a state allows open-carry and/or concealed-carry, there are plenty of rules and laws that determine who, what, when, where, why, and how one can or cannot carry a firearm in public.

/but keep farking that chicken, tute
 
2014-06-27 01:44:30 AM  

fusillade762: Hey, don't get all smug, Australia:



List of countries by alcohol consumption


Surprised Australia came in so low. I thought their main export was alcoholics.
 
2014-06-27 01:45:23 AM  

TheMega: Honestly, now that he stopped drinking (they say if he drinks as little as one alcoholic beverage, it could actually kill him), he is the most boring person on the planet.


Was he NOT boring before he stopped drinking? Or were you just too buzzed to notice?
 
2014-06-27 01:46:26 AM  
It's pretty obvious that alcohol use is just compensation for your small penis.
 
2014-06-27 01:47:55 AM  

Giltric: TuteTibiImperes: I don't have to worry about a guy on the street trying to rob me with a bottle of schnapps.   If a kid finds his dad case of Coors he isn't going to kill himself or his friend with it.  A maniac can't use a fifth of rum to kill dozens of unsuspecting people.

No the car they get into will. Or they will get into an argument depending upon what personality manifests when they drink and maybe get all stabby over which way the toilet paper goes on the rack.


Is that really a thing, or is it just something some comedian made up as a pretend stupid argument drunks get into?
 
2014-06-27 01:51:25 AM  

Bill_Wick's_Friend: There are warning labels on liquor in the USA.

You can't carry an open beer around in the USA.

Minors, even under supervision, are prohibited from using liquor in the USA.

I can keep going. I can think of many many ways in which liquor is regulated in the USA with the purpose of minimizing the harm alcohol does to society. Similar measures with regards to guns are decried as draconian gun-grabbing anti-constitutional totalitarianism by the NRA crowd.


Yes and no one breaks any of these laws, right?
 
2014-06-27 01:52:07 AM  
FTA: Nearly one in 10 of the deaths that befell working-age adults was traceable to alcohol.

Therefore over nine in 10 of the deaths were traceable to other than alcohol, or not alcohol, to simplify matters.
Therefore not drinking is nine times more deadly than drinking. So keep a steady drip going all day, just to be safe.
 
2014-06-27 01:52:51 AM  

Lenny_da_Hog: It's pretty obvious that alcohol use is just compensation for your small penis.


I don't have a penis unless I borrow one if you know what I mean and I think you do.
 
2014-06-27 01:53:13 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Giltric: TuteTibiImperes: I don't have to worry about a guy on the street trying to rob me with a bottle of schnapps.   If a kid finds his dad case of Coors he isn't going to kill himself or his friend with it.  A maniac can't use a fifth of rum to kill dozens of unsuspecting people.

No the car they get into will. Or they will get into an argument depending upon what personality manifests when they drink and maybe get all stabby over which way the toilet paper goes on the rack.

Is that really a thing, or is it just something some comedian made up as a pretend stupid argument drunks get into?


Drunks get into arguments. There is no reasoning with them.
 
2014-06-27 01:53:51 AM  

Pokey.Clyde: TuteTibiImperes: Very few places have laws against carrying firearms in public.

Bullshiat. Whether a state allows open-carry and/or concealed-carry, there are plenty of rules and laws that determine who, what, when, where, why, and how one can or cannot carry a firearm in public.

/but keep farking that chicken, tute


Most places require that you take a short class and do a background check to get CCW permit.  It's not as if the regulations are tough.

Effectively anyone without a felony record can get one.
 
2014-06-27 01:53:54 AM  
Yes and no one breaks any of these laws, right? Why does fark attract such douchey trolls?
 
2014-06-27 01:54:41 AM  

E5bie: Mrbogey: TuteTibiImperes: If a kid finds his dad case of Coors he isn't going to kill himself or his friend with it.


Well not if they point it at each other. If they drink it, yes, it can happen.

Eight beers. In a family environment. Ugh. Didn't exactly happen in the blink of an eye, did it?
I did not know you could die from beer alone, except by drowning. But if the kid choked on vomit, he kinda did go that way.
I'll never understand how anyone can consume more than a six-pack in one sitting. The fluid volume alone is staggering.


Humans pee when they have an excess of liquid in their system. Are you a robot?

theinfosphere.org

That said, smashing six beers isn't easy, but it's pretty easy to kill a six pack during, say, a football game. That's a beer every 30-40 minutes, hardly breakneck speed there.
 
2014-06-27 01:55:21 AM  

JoieD'Zen: Lenny_da_Hog: It's pretty obvious that alcohol use is just compensation for your small penis.

I don't have a penis unless I borrow one if you know what I mean and I think you do.


I think I do.

I have a few left in mason jars, preserved in alcohol, for only $50 each. PM me.
 
2014-06-27 01:57:17 AM  

The_Sponge: I like drinking and owning firearms, so I have that going for me.

/Never mix the two.
//Love going to my local beer bar after the range.


My preemptive condolences to your soon to be dead family member responsible alcoholic gun owner.
 
2014-06-27 01:57:24 AM  
Life is a terminal condition with a 100% fatality rate. The number of extra years you spend in diapers does not significantly increase your rank on the cosmic leaderboard.
 
2014-06-27 01:58:53 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Pokey.Clyde: TuteTibiImperes: Very few places have laws against carrying firearms in public.

Bullshiat. Whether a state allows open-carry and/or concealed-carry, there are plenty of rules and laws that determine who, what, when, where, why, and how one can or cannot carry a firearm in public.

/but keep farking that chicken, tute

Most places require that you take a short class and do a background check to get CCW permit.  It's not as if the regulations are tough.

Effectively anyone without a felony record can get one.


When's the last time you had to undergo a background check to get booze? You can get convicted of boozecrime over and over again and still buy booze.
 
2014-06-27 02:05:42 AM  

Ryker's Peninsula: The_Sponge: I like drinking and owning firearms, so I have that going for me.

/Never mix the two.
//Love going to my local beer bar after the range.

My preemptive condolences to your soon to be dead family member responsible alcoholic gun owner.



i904.photobucket.com
 
2014-06-27 02:07:21 AM  
The differences are subtle, maybe this will help:

Guns:
img.fark.net

Alcohol:
www.aculyinternet.de
 
2014-06-27 02:08:51 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Pokey.Clyde: TuteTibiImperes: Very few places have laws against carrying firearms in public.

Bullshiat. Whether a state allows open-carry and/or concealed-carry, there are plenty of rules and laws that determine who, what, when, where, why, and how one can or cannot carry a firearm in public.

/but keep farking that chicken, tute

Most places require that you take a short class and do a background check to get CCW permit.  It's not as if the regulations are tough.

Effectively anyone without a felony record can get one.


Move those goalposts often?  You said very few places have laws against carrying firearms in public. I told you that you were wrong, that in fact, all places have laws against carrying in public if you don't meet certain criteria. What the hell does how tough it is to get a CCW have to do with whether or not there are laws governing carrying a firearm in public? I'll tell you...not a damn thing.

/your chicken is sore and tired. Let it go to bed for the night.
 
2014-06-27 02:09:52 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Pokey.Clyde: TuteTibiImperes: Very few places have laws against carrying firearms in public.

Bullshiat. Whether a state allows open-carry and/or concealed-carry, there are plenty of rules and laws that determine who, what, when, where, why, and how one can or cannot carry a firearm in public.

/but keep farking that chicken, tute

Most places require that you take a short class and do a background check to get CCW permit.  It's not as if the regulations are tough.

Effectively anyone without a felony record can get one.


Some places don't even require that. Here in Arizona, I can just carry a concealed handgun. No classes, no permit. I have a little .22lr revolver varmint gun that I carry in my hiking backpack because the wolves are getting a little too bold for my comfort lately. I think some jackasses are feeding them.
 
2014-06-27 02:18:45 AM  

redmid17: E5bie: Mrbogey: TuteTibiImperes: If a kid finds his dad case of Coors he isn't going to kill himself or his friend with it.


Well not if they point it at each other. If they drink it, yes, it can happen.

Eight beers. In a family environment. Ugh. Didn't exactly happen in the blink of an eye, did it?
I did not know you could die from beer alone, except by drowning. But if the kid choked on vomit, he kinda did go that way.
I'll never understand how anyone can consume more than a six-pack in one sitting. The fluid volume alone is staggering.

Humans pee when they have an excess of liquid in their system. Are you a robot?


Nooo, but like most humans my bladder capacity is about 16 oz. tops.
That would add up to 4 or 5 bathroom trips per six pack.
Unlike a man, I can't just pee back into the used cans.
 
2014-06-27 02:19:11 AM  
The difference here...
Booze is designed to get you drunk.
Guns are designed to end lives. That is their purpose. That is their ONLY purpose.


/and getting balls off the roof of the house
//have 3 guns myself, but I know what they're for, not this fantasy bullshiat of "saving lives". it's for ending them quickly.
 
2014-06-27 02:19:53 AM  
Holy shiat, Fark just imploded on itself.
 
2014-06-27 02:20:11 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: I think a lot of people write it off like Sam Adams as a mega brew masquerading as a craft brew because they're so big, but it really is a quality product.



CSB:

At the previously mentioned beer bar, there is a regular customer who is originally from the Czech Republic.  I once asked him what his favorite American beer was, and he said it was Sam Adams Boston Lager.

/To tell the truth, I was surprised.
//Was in Prague last month.
///F*CKING AWESOME.
 
2014-06-27 02:20:22 AM  
Hello, I'd like my AR-15 on the rocks with a finger of branch water.
Thank you.
 
2014-06-27 02:29:56 AM  
This article isn't about guns, so why they got dragged into this argument baffles me. This is just about alcohol, which turns out to be pretty dangerous, obviously (seriously, if you didn't know that shiat was poison, then either you've never thrown up from drinking too much or you live on the moon). Just HOW dangerous, we seem to be in denial about, just as we were in denial about tobacco for a long time.

BUT - BUT - BUT

This doesn't mean it should be illegal. Oh, and nor should tobacco be illegal (though many people are pushing it in that direction).

/ IMHO even heroin should be legal to buy
// Take that as you will
/// Maybe time for a frank discussion of drug use itself and how to use drugs of all kinds in the safest and best manner
 
2014-06-27 02:31:21 AM  

Vertdang: The difference here...
Booze is designed to get you drunk.
Guns are designed to end lives. That is their purpose. That is their ONLY purpose.

/and getting balls off the roof of the house
//have 3 guns myself, but I know what they're for, not this fantasy bullshiat of "saving lives". it's for ending them quickly.


They must be pretty bad at it, then, considering millions of rounds are fired in this country every day without any lives ending. I've shot thousands and thousands of rounds, and never fired at anything that was alive.

Things that go "bang!" are fun with physics. Fireworks and explosives are also fun.

Alcohol, I'm told by people who like it, is also fun (although I don't see why a drug that just makes you stupid is fun).
 
2014-06-27 02:46:26 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: violentsalvation: It's weird to see so many hard ciders popping up, especially out of what I'd been accustomed to considering the cider seasons, fall and winter, but apparently they are really earning their spots on the shelf just like the craft brews. I've never drank hard cider from a store, I bet they hit the spot on a cold day. But right now, a cold day would hit the spot even more.

I'm a hops heretic: I really don't like most craft beers because they're over hopped. Bitter is not my favorite taste, I guess. So I decided to try cider. I discovered the number of styles and flavors were as diverse as craft beers, and it rarely has that "I just ate a dead rat" after taste

/my problem is a good, cold dry cider goes down WAY too easy on a hot day


Ciders are the new Zima.
 
2014-06-27 02:49:22 AM  

thefatbasturd: LazerFish: Emposter: crab66: I like how this is the blanket argument from gun nuts now.


See, something else kills people too! Therefore mass shootings are fine.


Flawless logic.

They have no real argument, so they resort to bullshiat.  Luckily for them, the country is full of gullible idiots.

More people die every year from being trampled by cattle than by skydiving accidents. By their logic, we have no need for parachutes.

Yeah keep telling yourself and your brain dead friends that is the argument being made and you can ignore the actual FACTS that are really being pointed out to you.



More people are killed every year by the ocean than choke on broom handles. Clearly we need to outlaw Potatoes!


Gunnut logic. Flawless.

I hope Obama comes in swinging his big black dick and takes all your guns right before he sends you to a FEMA camp.
 
2014-06-27 02:49:23 AM  

Lenny_da_Hog: Alcohol, I'm told by people who like it, is also fun (although I don't see why a drug that just makes you stupid is fun).


It's easier to have fun when you're stupid, I guess. Little things amuse little minds.
 
2014-06-27 02:51:06 AM  
You can't prevent all drunk driving so why have any laws?

Gunnut logic.
 
2014-06-27 02:56:01 AM  

Lenny_da_Hog: It's pretty obvious that alcohol use is just compensation for your small penis.


No, it's the cause.
 
2014-06-27 02:58:12 AM  

crab66: You can't prevent all drunk driving so why have any laws?

Gunnut logic.


Look, all we want is *reasonable* regulations on alcohol.

First, stop showing billions of dollars of ads aimed at young people, telling them they can only be happy if they're drunks.

Second, a simple background check at bars and liquor stores to prevent repeat offenders and the mentally ill from being able to buy alcohol.

Third, mandatory alcohol classes before you're allowed to drink. Show people under the influence vomiting, getting violent, and losing motor control. Show aging, liver-damaged drunks with bellies filled with ammonia, drooling because it's melting their brain.

But Noooo -- Big Alcohol owns legislatures everywhere and stops each and every reasonable step to stop those 88,000 deaths.
 
2014-06-27 03:03:32 AM  

JoieD'Zen: I like bourbon.

/neat


cool. i like vodak, we should be friends.
 
2014-06-27 03:16:30 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: I don't have to worry about a guy on the street trying to rob me with a bottle of schnapps.  If a kid finds his dad case of Coors he isn't going to kill himself or his friend with it.  A maniac can't use a fifth of rum to kill dozens of unsuspecting people.


Because drunk driving accidents never involve minors...

That's why all of those fire departments and police stations waste everyone's tax dollars every spring with mock drunk driving crashes at the local high school.

/seriously dude, I hope you're being ironic here.
//I'm not even going to waste my time addressing the other two at this point.
 
2014-06-27 03:16:39 AM  

Lenny_da_Hog: crab66: You can't prevent all drunk driving so why have any laws?

Gunnut logic.

Look, all we want is *reasonable* regulations on alcohol.

First, stop showing billions of dollars of ads aimed at young people, telling them they can only be happy if they're drunks.

Second, a simple background check at bars and liquor stores to prevent repeat offenders and the mentally ill from being able to buy alcohol.

Third, mandatory alcohol classes before you're allowed to drink. Show people under the influence vomiting, getting violent, and losing motor control. Show aging, liver-damaged drunks with bellies filled with ammonia, drooling because it's melting their brain.

But Noooo -- Big Alcohol owns legislatures everywhere and stops each and every reasonable step to stop those 88,000 deaths.


I got no problem with any of that.

And GUN NUTS:

Keep on comparing guns to alcohol, swimming pools, knives and anything else you can think of. It's a really convincing argument and in no way makes you look like desperate idiots.
 
2014-06-27 03:21:39 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: I got no problem with any of that.

And GUN NUTS:

Keep on comparing guns to alcohol, swimming pools, knives and anything else you can think of. It's a really convincing argument and in no way makes you look like desperate idiots.


The comparison is valid.

Anti-gun drunks are hypocrites. There is no other purpose for alcohol than to use as a drug, and it actually is responsible for three times more deaths than guns each year, along with a shiat-load of violence and crimes.

The only reason people shiat their pants about guns is because guns make a loud noise and are often included as a movie/TV plot device. Nearly everyone I know has been affected by alcohol abuse at some time in their lives, and very few know anybody who has ever been shot.

If the goal is saving lives -- which is what drunken anti-gun nuts claim -- put down the bottle before you tell me what to do.
 
2014-06-27 03:21:41 AM  
Booze doesn't kill people. People kill people.
 
2014-06-27 03:21:49 AM  

violentsalvation: TuteTibiImperes: A maniac can't use a fifth of rum to kill dozens of unsuspecting people.

Maybe if he quietly chains the doors shut and turns the fifth into a molotov.

I'm sick of farking gun threads.

This is a booze thread, anybody drinking anything interesting?


Lemonade. I haven't had a drop of alcohol since I was nineteen or twenty. I can't remember which.
 
2014-06-27 03:25:21 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Lenny_da_Hog: crab66: You can't prevent all drunk driving so why have any laws?

Gunnut logic.

Look, all we want is *reasonable* regulations on alcohol.

First, stop showing billions of dollars of ads aimed at young people, telling them they can only be happy if they're drunks.

Second, a simple background check at bars and liquor stores to prevent repeat offenders and the mentally ill from being able to buy alcohol.

Third, mandatory alcohol classes before you're allowed to drink. Show people under the influence vomiting, getting violent, and losing motor control. Show aging, liver-damaged drunks with bellies filled with ammonia, drooling because it's melting their brain.

But Noooo -- Big Alcohol owns legislatures everywhere and stops each and every reasonable step to stop those 88,000 deaths.

I got no problem with any of that.

And GUN NUTS:

Keep on comparing guns to alcohol, swimming pools, knives and anything else you can think of. It's a really convincing argument and in no way makes you look like desperate idiots.


Eh, the alcohol argument actually has some merit. The only reason people drink alcohol is for enjoyment.

The slight health benefits you *might* get from it (which only happens with significant moderation) can be found elsewhere with things that don't cause domestic violence, impaired driving, unplanned pregnancies, injuries, property damage, ect...

By contrast, guns can actually have a useful purpose in hunting and self protection.
 
2014-06-27 03:27:48 AM  

fusillade762: MaudlinMutantMollusk: ladyfortuna: Begoggle: Pretty soon, people will want to be MARRYING BEER
When will it end

Can't be worse than marrying a husband...

Heyheyhey... we already got guns and alcohol in here

/let's not drag the whole sex thing into it, too
//some drunk might start shooting
///even worse if it's with a gun

Just because of this post I'm going to get drunk and drive around having sex while shooting my gun.

/aw who am I kidding, I'm only going to be doing one of those things


This is a wonderful thread - everyone sounds drunk already

At least where I am it's already Friday eve so I have a valid excuse

But if we're debating cause and consequence, shouldn't we discourage beer and hard spirits, and encouraging marijuana? Fighting fluids vs Relaxing herbs
 
2014-06-27 03:29:45 AM  
Difference is, with booze you're only hurting yourself (unless you drive drunk, in which case fark you). My body should be mine to do as I please with, providing I don't hurt other people.
 
2014-06-27 03:32:16 AM  
Troll headline got lots of pathetic marks,

+1
 
2014-06-27 03:33:25 AM  

edgar1981: Difference is, with booze you're only hurting yourself (unless you drive drunk, in which case fark you). My body should be mine to do as I please with, providing I don't hurt other people.


You're conveniently forgetting the part of alcohol being a factor in 40% of violent crimes.
 
2014-06-27 03:37:24 AM  
I notice this story comes from Australia. Well, if you're drunk in Australia you are more likely to be victims to drop bears and clock spiders.
 
2014-06-27 03:44:07 AM  
thefatbasturd: Yeah keep telling yourself and your brain dead friends that is the argument being made and you can ignore the actual FACTS that are really being pointed out to you.

Facts are great, but RELEVANT facts are what matter.
 
2014-06-27 03:44:51 AM  
Oh sure, just take away all the fun in life why don't you?
 
2014-06-27 03:45:56 AM  

wildcardjack: I notice this story comes from Australia. Well, if you're drunk in Australia you are more likely to be victims to drop bears and clock spiders.


Unless your name is Rincewinde, drop bears are the least of yr problems in Australia
 
2014-06-27 03:47:46 AM  
One-third the regulation of booze for guns, coming right up.

Just let me know where you'd like me to unload this shipping container full of regulations. Oh, and that's just for this state. And obviously it only applies in the counties where you're allowed to sell guns at all.
 
2014-06-27 04:00:50 AM  

cuzsis: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Lenny_da_Hog: crab66: You can't prevent all drunk driving so why have any laws?

Gunnut logic.

Look, all we want is *reasonable* regulations on alcohol.

First, stop showing billions of dollars of ads aimed at young people, telling them they can only be happy if they're drunks.

Second, a simple background check at bars and liquor stores to prevent repeat offenders and the mentally ill from being able to buy alcohol.

Third, mandatory alcohol classes before you're allowed to drink. Show people under the influence vomiting, getting violent, and losing motor control. Show aging, liver-damaged drunks with bellies filled with ammonia, drooling because it's melting their brain.

But Noooo -- Big Alcohol owns legislatures everywhere and stops each and every reasonable step to stop those 88,000 deaths.

I got no problem with any of that.

And GUN NUTS:

Keep on comparing guns to alcohol, swimming pools, knives and anything else you can think of. It's a really convincing argument and in no way makes you look like desperate idiots.

Eh, the alcohol argument actually has some merit. The only reason people drink alcohol is for enjoyment.

The slight health benefits you *might* get from it (which only happens with significant moderation) can be found elsewhere with things that don't cause domestic violence, impaired driving, unplanned pregnancies, injuries, property damage, ect...

By contrast, guns can actually have a useful purpose in hunting and self protection.


fark you, jack ass, getting drunk as a form of enjoyment is more important than you killing some farking animals, or burglars. in fact, i am drunk right now. wanna go? c'mon, let's fight. put em up, you farking pussy, or i'll punch you right in the face.

mr cuzsis is now bleeding on the floor, and i have won this argument. thank you, thank you very much!

/alcohol wins, every time!
 
2014-06-27 04:37:20 AM  
Now, when you put alcohol and guns together, you've really got something.
i18.photobucket.com
 
2014-06-27 04:49:59 AM  
Death by alcohol can be considered suicide, and as such it should be excluded in line with the gun-death statistics....
 
2014-06-27 04:55:27 AM  

some_beer_drinker: getting drunk as a form of enjoyment is more important than you killing some farking animals, or burglars.


Yes. Getting wasted is certainly more important than being able to keep yourself from being murdered. Farking idiot.
 
2014-06-27 05:02:24 AM  

taurusowner: some_beer_drinker: getting drunk as a form of enjoyment is more important than you killing some farking animals, or burglars.

Yes. Getting wasted is certainly more important than being able to keep yourself from being murdered. Farking idiot.


I've been wasted many times but I've yet to be murdered by a burglar. You've got to factor in the odds.
 
2014-06-27 05:04:22 AM  

tinyarena: I like the way you think. Strike at the heart.


Being literate in history, I'm strongly against any form of gun control that doesn't start with the government.  But I can respect the position of those who want to repeal the Second Amendment, even while disagreeing with it.  The Constitution was intended as a living document, and it contains provisions for its own modification.  A repeal movement, unlike the death-by-a-thousand-pointless-cuts approach of traditional gun control policy, is part of a legitimate democratic process.
 
2014-06-27 05:05:12 AM  
Popcorn anyone?

/just surprised no one is arguing the numbers.
 
2014-06-27 05:07:13 AM  

TwistedIvory: Bill_Wick's_Friend: You can't carry an open beer around in the USA.

Louisiana?


Las Vegas you can. Hell, I did it more than enough in Chicago and nothing was said. Sure, it's not legal but like Chicago cops care about that or a joint unless you're being an idiot about it.

violentsalvation:

I see star anise at homebrewing stores but I have no idea what it smells or tastes like.

Basically it's the base ingredient for licorice. Just imagine really really strong tasting and smelling licorice.

MurphyMurphy: Living is killing more and more people every day!

To date, life has a proven 100% mortality rate!

The more people that are born, the more keep dying!

WHEN ARE WE GOING TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS PEOPLE!?!?!?


The day we cure the scourge that is 'natural causes'. Why is there not more research into curing it?!?
 
2014-06-27 05:11:49 AM  

Tunney: taurusowner: some_beer_drinker: getting drunk as a form of enjoyment is more important than you killing some farking animals, or burglars.

Yes. Getting wasted is certainly more important than being able to keep yourself from being murdered. Farking idiot.

I've been wasted many times but I've yet to be murdered by a burglar. You've got to factor in the odds.


No. You don't. The odds of you getting a flat tire are pretty low. The odds of you having a fire in your house are even lower. But fire spare tires, jacks, fire extinguishers, and smoke detectors are still great ideas no matter what the odds are. And don't try to deflect with the "yeah but those aren't designed to hurt people" trope. You brought up the odds of something bad happening as a reason not to own a tool. That point is hollow.

And the odds sure as shiat didn't manner to all the people who in fact do encounter home invasions. Even less to the ones who were assaulted, raped, or murdered.
 
2014-06-27 05:14:20 AM  
Last few things, and it's been a while, that I've drank that could be considered interesting:

www.wallywine.com

www.petershamliquormart.com.au

www.topwallpaperphoto.com


Jack's not particularly interesting, I know, but I made a kickass drink with that, some cranberry juice, a splash of grenadine, and some sprite. MMMMMMMMMMM!

And for the best vodka on Earth (at least that I've had):

img.fark.net

And of any of the wines or hard liquors, my all time fave and constant companion back in the day:

ei.isnooth.com
 
2014-06-27 05:19:37 AM  

Bill_Wick's_Friend: There are warning labels on liquor in the USA.

You can't carry an open beer around in the USA.

Minors, even under supervision, are prohibited from using liquor in the USA.

I can keep going. I can think of many many ways in which liquor is regulated in the USA with the purpose of minimizing the harm alcohol does to society. Similar measures with regards to guns are decried as draconian gun-grabbing anti-constitutional totalitarianism by the NRA crowd.


There are warning labels on the cases that you purchase a firearm in.

You can open carry alcohol in some areas of the country.  You've never been to Vegas?

A minor in their own home is able to consume alcohol with parental consent in 29 states.

You can keep giving bullshiat comparisons?  Please do.
 
2014-06-27 05:24:50 AM  

kling_klang_bed: Last few things, and it's been a while, that I've drank that could be considered interesting:

[www.wallywine.com image 400x400]

[www.petershamliquormart.com.au image 600x600]

[www.topwallpaperphoto.com image 850x566]


Jack's not particularly interesting, I know, but I made a kickass drink with that, some cranberry juice, a splash of grenadine, and some sprite. MMMMMMMMMMM!

And for the best vodka on Earth (at least that I've had):

[img.fark.net image 190x266]

And of any of the wines or hard liquors, my all time fave and constant companion back in the day:

[ei.isnooth.com image 308x887]


So, you had yeast piss, yeast piss, yeast piss, yeast piss, and yeast piss.
 
2014-06-27 05:26:05 AM  

taurusowner: Tunney: taurusowner: some_beer_drinker: getting drunk as a form of enjoyment is more important than you killing some farking animals, or burglars.

No. You don't. The odds of you getting a flat tire are pretty low. The odds of you having a fire in your house are even lower. But fire spare tires, jacks, fire extinguishers, and smoke detectors are still great ideas no matter what the odds are. And don't try to deflect with the "yeah but those aren't designed to hurt people" trope. You brought up the odds of something bad happening as a reason not to own a tool. That point is hollow.

And the odds sure as shiat didn't manner to all the people who in fact do encounter home invasions. Even less to the ones who were assaulted, raped, or murdered.


What I suggest is that you continue to live in fear of being murdered by a burglar and I'll continue to get drunk. Let's see who has the better time.
 
2014-06-27 05:28:16 AM  
Once subby's not a re-re.

Oh. ... nevermind. Poor subby.
 
2014-06-27 05:45:08 AM  

Tunney: taurusowner: Tunney: taurusowner: some_beer_drinker: getting drunk as a form of enjoyment is more important than you killing some farking animals, or burglars.

No. You don't. The odds of you getting a flat tire are pretty low. The odds of you having a fire in your house are even lower. But fire spare tires, jacks, fire extinguishers, and smoke detectors are still great ideas no matter what the odds are. And don't try to deflect with the "yeah but those aren't designed to hurt people" trope. You brought up the odds of something bad happening as a reason not to own a tool. That point is hollow.

And the odds sure as shiat didn't manner to all the people who in fact do encounter home invasions. Even less to the ones who were assaulted, raped, or murdered.

What I suggest is that you continue to live in fear of being murdered by a burglar and I'll continue to get drunk. Let's see who has the better time.


As someone who has been victim of a home invasion and now drinks regularly, drinking gets the prize there.  However, had I not been armed I would certainly have taken my last drink that night.
 
2014-06-27 05:46:54 AM  

taurusowner: some_beer_drinker: getting drunk as a form of enjoyment is more important than you killing some farking animals, or burglars.

Yes. Getting wasted is certainly more important than being able to keep yourself from being murdered. Farking idiot.


Umm.. I think he was being sardonic. :)
 
2014-06-27 05:55:56 AM  
That's why I hire security that have concealed booze permits.
Need a good guy with booze.
 
2014-06-27 05:56:56 AM  

AngryDragon: You can keep giving bullshiat comparisons?  Please do.


Can everybody play?

246.  I can choose not to drink.
247.  If I own a Starbucks, I can choose not to let people drink inside.
248.  I have never had a shot glass of vodka from three blocks away land in my back yard.
249.  I have never heard of anyone have a beer come flying into their living room and then decide to drink it.
250.  You can sometimes avoid drunk drivers just by taking the train.

I am not saying alcohol is fine.  It is a filthy addiction that has killed some of my friends and family.  Guns (to this point) have not.  But killing yourself with alcohol is largely a personal choice.  Having your child murdered by a stranger with an untreated mental illness is not.
 
2014-06-27 06:11:17 AM  

Low Budget Dave: AngryDragon: You can keep giving bullshiat comparisons?  Please do.

Can everybody play?

246.  I can choose not to drink.
247.  If I own a Starbucks, I can choose not to let people drink inside.
248.  I have never had a shot glass of vodka from three blocks away land in my back yard.
249.  I have never heard of anyone have a beer come flying into their living room and then decide to drink it.
250.  You can sometimes avoid drunk drivers just by taking the train.

I am not saying alcohol is fine.  It is a filthy addiction that has killed some of my friends and family.  Guns (to this point) have not.  But killing yourself with alcohol is largely a personal choice.  Having your child murdered by a stranger with an untreated mental illness is not.


I'm not advocating any position in this case.  I'm just saying that I hate absolutes, especially those not based on fact.  The fact is that you are far more likely to be killed in an accident than by a firearm.

i.imgur.com
 
2014-06-27 06:16:06 AM  
Good analogy! If only you gun nuts would "drink" yourselves to death rather than forcing your "liquor" into the brains of others.
 
jbc [TotalFark]
2014-06-27 06:19:44 AM  
Why did Jesus turn water into wine instead of Winchesters?
 
2014-06-27 06:25:58 AM  

mjjt: But if we're debating cause and consequence, shouldn't we discourage beer and hard spirits, and encouraging marijuana? Fighting fluids vs Relaxing herbs


I feel we should not discourage.
 
2014-06-27 06:29:12 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Very few places have laws against carrying firearms in public.


By "very few places" do you mean every place except Vermont?
 
2014-06-27 06:51:58 AM  
Guns make me feel icky and since I don't like them then no one should have one
 
2014-06-27 06:54:30 AM  

TwistedIvory: Bill_Wick's_Friend: You can't carry an open beer around in the USA.

Louisiana?


You can't carry an open beer around in the USA.

/, boudreaux
 
2014-06-27 06:58:15 AM  
"High capacity pint glasses"?  Does that mean Imperial pints?
 
2014-06-27 07:31:49 AM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: "High capacity pint glasses"?  Does that mean Imperial pints?


God I hope so.  Enough with these ridiculous little shaker pints at restaurants.  Wait are we talking about instatingimperial pints or banning them?
 
2014-06-27 07:38:10 AM  

Gecko Gingrich: Many states don't prohibit "open container". Ever been to Mardi Gras?

Many states allow minors to drink under adult supervision. Even been to a Mass?


So you're saying states should be free to regulate guns as they please. That's excellent news.
 
2014-06-27 07:43:43 AM  

jso2897: Now, when you put alcohol and guns together, you've really got something.
[i18.photobucket.com image 300x187]


Guns that shoot alcohol.

www.collectorsquest.com

Pew pew!
 
2014-06-27 07:51:52 AM  
What kills me (and them, sadly) is that if people are drinking for the effect of being drunk, there are easier and safer ways to make that happen. And it makes me wonder if anxiolytics like benzodiazepam are out of reach for that very reason; they're harder to detect (breathalyzer isn't going to pick anything up) and less likely to fry your liver.

Oh, they cause problems. They're just as addictive as booze; just not as deadly.

Maybe that's why there's acetaminophen in prescribed pain relievers... To kill you (or flag you) if you abuse 'em.

Is that evil? Or a coincidence. Hard to tell.
 
2014-06-27 07:56:14 AM  

TwistedIvory: Bill_Wick's_Friend: You can't carry an open beer around in the USA.

Louisiana?


Arizona and other Mormon controlled environs.
 
2014-06-27 08:07:00 AM  

naughtyrev: From my cold, dead drunkhands!



FTFY
 
2014-06-27 08:09:47 AM  

violentsalvation: TuteTibiImperes: A maniac can't use a fifth of rum to kill dozens of unsuspecting people.

Maybe if he quietly chains the doors shut and turns the fifth into a molotov.

I'm sick of farking gun threads.

This is a booze thread, anybody drinking anything interesting?



You, sir, are a hero for pivoting this woe begotten thread.

Vodka. With a little fresh lime juice and San Pellegrino lemon soda. More refreshing than Sprite.
 
2014-06-27 08:13:44 AM  

Pokey.Clyde: TuteTibiImperes: Pokey.Clyde: TuteTibiImperes: Very few places have laws against carrying firearms in public.

Bullshiat. Whether a state allows open-carry and/or concealed-carry, there are plenty of rules and laws that determine who, what, when, where, why, and how one can or cannot carry a firearm in public.

/but keep farking that chicken, tute

Most places require that you take a short class and do a background check to get CCW permit.  It's not as if the regulations are tough.

Effectively anyone without a felony record can get one.

Move those goalposts often?  You said very few places have laws against carrying firearms in public. I told you that you were wrong, that in fact, all places have laws against carrying in public if you don't meet certain criteria. What the hell does how tough it is to get a CCW have to do with whether or not there are laws governing carrying a firearm in public? I'll tell you...not a damn thing.

/your chicken is sore and tired. Let it go to bed for the night.


I never moved the goalposts at all, and my original point is correct.  You can concealed or open carry in many more places in the US than you can walk down the street with an open beer.

Yes, you may have to go to a class to get the permit to carry the gun, but there's not even an option to go to a class to be able to carry an open beer.
 
2014-06-27 08:14:02 AM  

Mr_Fabulous: violentsalvation: TuteTibiImperes: A maniac can't use a fifth of rum to kill dozens of unsuspecting people.

Maybe if he quietly chains the doors shut and turns the fifth into a molotov.

I'm sick of farking gun threads.

This is a booze thread, anybody drinking anything interesting?


You, sir, are a hero for pivoting this woe begotten thread.

Vodka. With a little fresh lime juice and San Pellegrino lemon soda. More refreshing than Sprite.



Note: I did spell vodak correctly the first. Farking iPad.
 
2014-06-27 08:19:23 AM  
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a beer is a good guy with a beer.
 
2014-06-27 08:25:11 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: I don't have to worry about a guy on the street trying to rob me with a bottle of schnapps.  If a kid finds his dad case of Coors he isn't going to kill himself or his friend with it.  A maniac can't use a fifth of rum to kill dozens of unsuspecting people.


If a kid finds his dads bottle of grain alcohol and chugs the whole thing to impress himself, he certainly will kill himself or his friend... Not all alcohol is alike... How many stories do you see where a kid gets plastered and wanders off, only to be found dead the next day, choked on his/her own vomit, face down in a puddle, drowned in a lake?? Alcohol is just as deadly..
 
2014-06-27 08:29:17 AM  

Bill_Wick's_Friend: There are warning labels on liquor in the USA.

You can't carry an open beer around in the USA.

Minors, even under supervision, are prohibited from using liquor in the USA.

I can keep going. I can think of many many ways in which liquor is regulated in the USA with the purpose of minimizing the harm alcohol does to society. Similar measures with regards to guns are decried as draconian gun-grabbing anti-constitutional totalitarianism by the NRA crowd.


There are warning labels on guns and ammunition in the USA

You can drink anywhere in the USA as long as it's not obvious... Officer, meet brown paper bag and his friend, the 4th amendment.

The best time to teach a child respect for anything is when they are minors... Countries with very young drinking ages have far less problems with alcohol that the USA...
 
2014-06-27 08:29:57 AM  

Bill_Wick's_Friend: There are warning labels on liquor in the USA.

You can't carry an open beer around in the USA.

Minors, even under supervision, are prohibited from using liquor in the USA.

I can keep going. I can think of many many ways in which liquor is regulated in the USA with the purpose of minimizing the harm alcohol does to society. Similar measures with regards to guns are decried as draconian gun-grabbing anti-constitutional totalitarianism by the NRA crowd.


So you're telling me that all those laws are in place for alcohol yet there are still over double as many alcohol deaths than firearms deaths, and think this will be affected by more fun laws.... How?
 
2014-06-27 08:35:32 AM  

Vintowin: TuteTibiImperes: I don't have to worry about a guy on the street trying to rob me with a bottle of schnapps.  If a kid finds his dad case of Coors he isn't going to kill himself or his friend with it.  A maniac can't use a fifth of rum to kill dozens of unsuspecting people.

If a kid finds his dads bottle of grain alcohol and chugs the whole thing to impress himself, he certainly will kill himself or his friend... Not all alcohol is alike... How many stories do you see where a kid gets plastered and wanders off, only to be found dead the next day, choked on his/her own vomit, face down in a puddle, drowned in a lake?? Alcohol is just as deadly..


A maniac with a fifth of rum and access to a motor vehicle can certainly kill dozens of unsuspecting people...
 
2014-06-27 08:35:52 AM  
Everybody gotta die sometime, Red.
www.imfdb.org
 
2014-06-27 08:36:22 AM  
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Booze and guns are amateurs.
 
2014-06-27 08:37:44 AM  

AngryDragon: The fact is that you are far more likely to be killed in an accident than by a firearm.


That is true.  Even in the alcohol example, there are about 13,000 auto deaths per year that involve alcohol, and only about 11,000 gun murders.  (But many of the alcohol-related accident deaths are the drinker himself, while the murder-with-a-firearm figure includes a fair number of ex-girlfriends, and innocent bystanders.)

I also take steps to avoid many common accidents.  I don't skydive, I don't own a motorcycle, and I don't play any games that involve standing close to trains.
 
2014-06-27 08:38:49 AM  

LazerFish: "time to ban" posts are  so farking hackneyed


I agree... It's time to ban these posts!

Theory Of Null: This is why everyone should carry booze with them at all times.


Let's all carry a big 1.75L bottle of whisky into Chipotle and wave it around menacingly at everyone, while posing for pictures!
 
2014-06-27 08:40:24 AM  

Bill_Wick's_Friend: There are warning labels on liquor in the USA.

You can't carry an open beer around in the USA.

Minors, even under supervision, are prohibited from using liquor in the USA.

I can keep going. I can think of many many ways in which liquor is regulated in the USA with the purpose of minimizing the harm alcohol does to society. Similar measures with regards to guns are decried as draconian gun-grabbing anti-constitutional totalitarianism by the NRA crowd.


This post and the number of votes it gets tells me that for a group of people who claim to not watch fox news, they have the average intelligence of a fox news viewer.
 
2014-06-27 08:42:18 AM  
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2014-06-27 03:16:39 AM
Lenny_da_Hog: crab66: You can't prevent all drunk driving so why have any laws?

Gunnut logic.

Look, all we want is *reasonable* regulations on alcohol.

First, stop showing billions of dollars of ads aimed at young people, telling them they can only be happy if they're drunks.

Second, a simple background check at bars and liquor stores to prevent repeat offenders and the mentally ill from being able to buy alcohol.

Third, mandatory alcohol classes before you're allowed to drink. Show people under the influence vomiting, getting violent, and losing motor control. Show aging, liver-damaged drunks with bellies filled with ammonia, drooling because it's melting their brain.

But Noooo -- Big Alcohol owns legislatures everywhere and stops each and every reasonable step to stop those 88,000 deaths.


I got no problem with any of that.

And GUN NUTS:

Keep on comparing guns to alcohol, swimming pools, knives and anything else you can think of. It's a really convincing argument and in no way makes you look like desperate idiots.


Im curious, when you say "gun nuts," who do you imagine you are talking to? Please be specific, I'm drinking and want something hilarious to read
 
2014-06-27 08:44:38 AM  

tom baker's scarf: [encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com image 225x225]

Booze and guns are amateurs.


I heard a comedian say something that made me decide to lay off people I know who smoke: someone told him that smoking takes 10 years off your life and he said "Yeah, the last 10. They're gonna suck!"
 
2014-06-27 08:46:20 AM  
Nobody ever suggested the answer to drunk driving is more liquor.
 
2014-06-27 08:46:25 AM  
I am tired of all these politicians who are clearly on the payroll of Alcoholics Anonymous. It's time we stripped their veil of anonymity and made them publicize their campaign contributions. Maybe then we can enact some common-sense alcohol control laws.
 
2014-06-27 08:48:19 AM  

Bill_Wick's_Friend: I can keep going. I can think of many many ways in which liquor is regulated in the USA with the purpose of minimizing the harm alcohol does to society.


And, those don't work, either. Do they?
 
2014-06-27 08:50:41 AM  

When will it be time to have a discussion about high capacity pint glasses and assault bourbons?


As soon as we talk about deadly desserts.

I was in a bakery the other day and right out in the open they had a whole rack of assault trifles.
 
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2014-06-27 08:54:36 AM  
It my golf day, so I'm making bloody marys.  I make them so they are not only a fine liquored up beverage, they can also be part of a balanced diet.  My liberal use of V-8, shrimp, fresh celery, and bacon make them USDA approved as a breakfast sammich.

But when I run out, and I will run out, I have a bottle of this that tastes great straight:

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™ none of my guns were harmed in the typing of this post
 
2014-06-27 08:55:39 AM  

Bill_Wick's_Friend: There are warning labels on liquor in the USA.

You can't carry an open beer around in the USA.

Minors, even under supervision, are prohibited from using liquor in the USA.

I can keep going. I can think of many many ways in which liquor is regulated in the USA with the purpose of minimizing the harm alcohol does to society. Similar measures with regards to guns are decried as draconian gun-grabbing anti-constitutional totalitarianism by the NRA crowd.


Done in 2!!!

In Texas, can't buy liquor after 9pm can't buy it on Sunday at all. Only allowed to sell it with a TABC seal on it, not to mention 21 year olds can drink it 20 year olds can't....
 
2014-06-27 08:56:59 AM  
Is this a gun thread? A booze thread? Both? Cool!
 
2014-06-27 09:00:13 AM  

Bill_Wick's_Friend: There are warning labels on liquor in the USA.

You can't carry an open beer around in the USA.

Minors, even under supervision, are prohibited from using liquor in the USA.

I can keep going. I can think of many many ways in which liquor is regulated in the USA with the purpose of minimizing the harm alcohol does to society. Similar measures with regards to guns are decried as draconian gun-grabbing anti-constitutional totalitarianism by the NRA crowd.


gee, there really is no difference between a constitutional right and beer... learn something new everyday
 
2014-06-27 09:01:58 AM  

pueblonative: Nobody ever suggested the answer to drunk driving is more liquor.


The only way to stop a bad drunk driver is with a good drunk driver???
 
2014-06-27 09:02:16 AM  

LunarAtom: violentsalvation: MaudlinMutantMollusk: violentsalvation: TuteTibiImperes: A maniac can't use a fifth of rum to kill dozens of unsuspecting people.

Maybe if he quietly chains the doors shut and turns the fifth into a molotov.

I'm sick of farking gun threads.

This is a booze thread, anybody drinking anything interesting?

Angry Orchard Traditional Dry hard cider

/I drink my apple a day
//ok... several apples

It's weird to see so many hard ciders popping up, especially out of what I'd been accustomed to considering the cider seasons, fall and winter, but apparently they are really earning their spots on the shelf just like the craft brews. I've never drank hard cider from a store, I bet they hit the spot on a cold day. But right now, a cold day would hit the spot even more.

Having just arrived in England and seen the ample selection and variety of ciders here its amazing that they havent caught on more in the states. I would say the average ABV on the ciders here is somewhere around 7-8% so theyre no joke when you start having more than a few at a time. Ive had a couple up near the 12% line and theyre just as smooth as their weaker siblings.


Cider apples are not the same as regular apples.  I heard recently that there aren't enough cider apple trees in the US which is creating problems for the cider resurgence.
 
2014-06-27 09:03:47 AM  

LunarAtom: violentsalvation: MaudlinMutantMollusk: violentsalvation: TuteTibiImperes: A maniac can't use a fifth of rum to kill dozens of unsuspecting people.

Maybe if he quietly chains the doors shut and turns the fifth into a molotov.

I'm sick of farking gun threads.

This is a booze thread, anybody drinking anything interesting?

Angry Orchard Traditional Dry hard cider

/I drink my apple a day
//ok... several apples

It's weird to see so many hard ciders popping up, especially out of what I'd been accustomed to considering the cider seasons, fall and winter, but apparently they are really earning their spots on the shelf just like the craft brews. I've never drank hard cider from a store, I bet they hit the spot on a cold day. But right now, a cold day would hit the spot even more.

Having just arrived in England and seen the ample selection and variety of ciders here its amazing that they havent caught on more in the states. I would say the average ABV on the ciders here is somewhere around 7-8% so theyre no joke when you start having more than a few at a time. Ive had a couple up near the 12% line and theyre just as smooth as their weaker siblings.


Nothing beats an ice cold Woodpecker cider from the tap. Couple Irish bars in Boston carry it, nothing better on a hot humid day.
 
2014-06-27 09:05:46 AM  

Joe Blowme: Bill_Wick's_Friend: There are warning labels on liquor in the USA.

You can't carry an open beer around in the USA.

Minors, even under supervision, are prohibited from using liquor in the USA.

I can keep going. I can think of many many ways in which liquor is regulated in the USA with the purpose of minimizing the harm alcohol does to society. Similar measures with regards to guns are decried as draconian gun-grabbing anti-constitutional totalitarianism by the NRA crowd.

gee, there really is no difference between a constitutional right and beer... learn something new everyday


If it ain't explicitly in the Constitution it doesn't matter. Doesn't matter how much society has changed we still behave like we're on the frontier worried Union Jack is coming for our guns that make raping and killing the natives easier.

Suddenly Jefferson's ideal about having a new Constitution every 19 years makes sense.
 
2014-06-27 09:09:48 AM  

DougTaupe: The differences are subtle, maybe this will help:

Guns:
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Alcohol:
[www.aculyinternet.de image 414x414]


Never heard of drunk driving, have you?
 
2014-06-27 09:27:30 AM  
rumple minze and milk chocolate that is all
 
2014-06-27 09:28:16 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: I don't have to worry about a guy on the street trying to rob me with a bottle of schnapps.  If a kid finds his dad case of Coors he isn't going to kill himself or his friend with it.  A maniac can't use a fifth of rum to kill dozens of unsuspecting people.


Or kid, finds dads booze and then gets smashed and drives somewhere.  Plenty of maniacs use alcohol and end up killing people.  That was the point of the article.  Ban one, need to ban the other then. Also, you forgot alcohol can't defend yourself or your property.  At least guns, in my opinion, also have a positive use. Alcohol does not.
 
2014-06-27 09:30:20 AM  

violentsalvation: gamergirl23: violentsalvation: That bootleg stuff sounds interesting, I see star anise at homebrewing stores but I have no idea what it smells or tastes like. I'm drinking a Lumberyard IPA brewed in Flagstaff. It has a really nice citrus taste to it.


It's the same smell as black licorice.  I suppose it would be similar to sambuca if you've tried that.

I haven't tried sambuca, but black licorice is yucky to me. No thanks, I'll pass on those then.


Freeze the bottle before doing shots. Far better than regular black licorise. I also dislike the taste.
 
2014-06-27 09:30:42 AM  
people usually voluntarily consume booze. Not a lot of people get shot voluntarily (outside of suicides). If people were running around forcing 30 ounces of liquor down people's throats against their will I would probably be in favor of keeping glasses to 10 ounces and below
 
2014-06-27 09:33:20 AM  

ModernPrimitive01: people usually voluntarily consume booze. Not a lot of people get shot voluntarily (outside of suicides). If people were running around forcing 30 ounces of liquor down people's throats against their will I would probably be in favor of keeping glasses to 10 ounces and below


So people choose to get hit and killed or maimed by drunk drivers? Who knew?
 
2014-06-27 09:33:46 AM  

NicktheSmoker: TuteTibiImperes: I don't have to worry about a guy on the street trying to rob me with a bottle of schnapps.  If a kid finds his dad case of Coors he isn't going to kill himself or his friend with it.  A maniac can't use a fifth of rum to kill dozens of unsuspecting people.

Or kid, finds dads booze and then gets smashed and drives somewhere.  Plenty of maniacs use alcohol and end up killing people.  That was the point of the article.  Ban one, need to ban the other then. Also, you forgot alcohol can't defend yourself or your property.  At least guns, in my opinion, also have a positive use. Alcohol does not.


Killing somebody is a positive. Got it.
 
2014-06-27 09:36:50 AM  

Joe Blowme: ModernPrimitive01: people usually voluntarily consume booze. Not a lot of people get shot voluntarily (outside of suicides). If people were running around forcing 30 ounces of liquor down people's throats against their will I would probably be in favor of keeping glasses to 10 ounces and below

So people choose to get hit and killed or maimed by drunk drivers? Who knew?


Yep, I had a friend who did that once.  He was so excited to get hit that night!
 
2014-06-27 09:38:25 AM  

pueblonative: NicktheSmoker: TuteTibiImperes: I don't have to worry about a guy on the street trying to rob me with a bottle of schnapps.  If a kid finds his dad case of Coors he isn't going to kill himself or his friend with it.  A maniac can't use a fifth of rum to kill dozens of unsuspecting people.

Or kid, finds dads booze and then gets smashed and drives somewhere.  Plenty of maniacs use alcohol and end up killing people.  That was the point of the article.  Ban one, need to ban the other then. Also, you forgot alcohol can't defend yourself or your property.  At least guns, in my opinion, also have a positive use. Alcohol does not.

Killing somebody is a positive. Got it.


No defending myself or my family is a positive.  Got that?  Do I need to type slower, or use smaller words?
 
2014-06-27 09:42:42 AM  

Fart_Machine: The new study, published on Thursday in Preventing Chronic Disease, a journal from the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention

If the Booze Lobby had any clout they'd be able to shut down these studies like the NRA did with gun violence.


The NRA doesnt give two shiats about studies on gun violence. They do give two shiats about government funded propaganda pieces. Read some of those studies. They were laughably awful and of no scientific merit. Liberals were using government grants to create propaganda.
 
2014-06-27 09:43:02 AM  

AngryDragon: Low Budget Dave: AngryDragon: You can keep giving bullshiat comparisons?  Please do.

Can everybody play?

246.  I can choose not to drink.
247.  If I own a Starbucks, I can choose not to let people drink inside.
248.  I have never had a shot glass of vodka from three blocks away land in my back yard.
249.  I have never heard of anyone have a beer come flying into their living room and then decide to drink it.
250.  You can sometimes avoid drunk drivers just by taking the train.

I am not saying alcohol is fine.  It is a filthy addiction that has killed some of my friends and family.  Guns (to this point) have not.  But killing yourself with alcohol is largely a personal choice.  Having your child murdered by a stranger with an untreated mental illness is not.

I'm not advocating any position in this case.  I'm just saying that I hate absolutes, especially those not based on fact.  The fact is that you are far more likely to be killed in an accident than by a firearm.

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I agree, but that chart is horrible and inaccurate. The "Intentional Self Harm" clearly doesn't include firearms deaths (as firearms suicides are more than twice the number of incidents in that category), it has TWO sections for firearms ("Assault" and "Discharge")  Which somehow add up to a greater total than ALL reported firearms deaths (all homicides and suicides), this of course makes no sense.
 
2014-06-27 09:45:13 AM  

NicktheSmoker: pueblonative: NicktheSmoker: TuteTibiImperes: I don't have to worry about a guy on the street trying to rob me with a bottle of schnapps.  If a kid finds his dad case of Coors he isn't going to kill himself or his friend with it.  A maniac can't use a fifth of rum to kill dozens of unsuspecting people.

Or kid, finds dads booze and then gets smashed and drives somewhere.  Plenty of maniacs use alcohol and end up killing people.  That was the point of the article.  Ban one, need to ban the other then. Also, you forgot alcohol can't defend yourself or your property.  At least guns, in my opinion, also have a positive use. Alcohol does not.

Killing somebody is a positive. Got it.

No defending myself or my family is a positive.  Got that?  Do I need to type slower, or use smaller words?


Involving the use of deadly violence. At the best it's the lesser of two evils. At worse it's a jack off like you showing off and being "the man of the house"...in other words the worst person to hold a gun. Verstehst du, arschloch?
 
2014-06-27 09:45:52 AM  

KarmicDisaster: I don't object to people killing themselves with something, different situation.


You're aware most gun deaths are self inflicted..
 
2014-06-27 09:48:09 AM  

violentsalvation: TuteTibiImperes: A maniac can't use a fifth of rum to kill dozens of unsuspecting people.

Maybe if he quietly chains the doors shut and turns the fifth into a molotov.

I'm sick of farking gun threads.

This is a booze thread, anybody drinking anything interesting?


Lagunitas Maximus

Dansk Mjød Viking Blod Mead

Blackstone Brewery Nut Brown Ale

Blackstone Brewery APA

And I am making two batches of wine, a Blackberry (picked locally) and a Black Cherry.

/tasty stuff.
 
2014-06-27 09:50:32 AM  

ModernPrimitive01: Not a lot of people get shot voluntarily (outside of suicides).


For the ones that die by being shot, Suicide is the leading cause. It is about twice as likely as homicide
 
2014-06-27 09:52:01 AM  

pueblonative: NicktheSmoker: pueblonative: NicktheSmoker: TuteTibiImperes: I don't have to worry about a guy on the street trying to rob me with a bottle of schnapps.  If a kid finds his dad case of Coors he isn't going to kill himself or his friend with it.  A maniac can't use a fifth of rum to kill dozens of unsuspecting people.

Or kid, finds dads booze and then gets smashed and drives somewhere.  Plenty of maniacs use alcohol and end up killing people.  That was the point of the article.  Ban one, need to ban the other then. Also, you forgot alcohol can't defend yourself or your property.  At least guns, in my opinion, also have a positive use. Alcohol does not.

Killing somebody is a positive. Got it.

No defending myself or my family is a positive.  Got that?  Do I need to type slower, or use smaller words?

Involving the use of deadly violence. At the best it's the lesser of two evils. At worse it's a jack off like you showing off and being "the man of the house"...in other words the worst person to hold a gun. Verstehst du, arschloch?


Wow, you gotta be the dumbest person I've had the pleasure of meeting.  Thanks. You can continue to make dumb arguments, I'm gonna pass on furthering this. Its like arguing with a wall, only the wall is dumber than average walls. And you can get that I'm sure, asshole.
 
2014-06-27 09:52:54 AM  
If it's not, I think we should make assault bourbons a thing. In some weird way it sounds synonymously delicious as my freedoms.
 
2014-06-27 09:54:48 AM  

ModernPrimitive01: people usually voluntarily consume booze. Not a lot of people get shot voluntarily (outside of suicides). If people were running around forcing 30 ounces of liquor down people's throats against their will I would probably be in favor of keeping glasses to 10 ounces and below


You do realize that suicides make up MORE than half of all firearms related deaths right?
 
2014-06-27 09:57:03 AM  

pueblonative: At the best it's the lesser of two evils. At worse it's a jack off like you showing off and being "the man of the house"


At the best, it is protection, at the worse, it makes pueblonative project something that most folks that own guns could really care less about. That is not a real negative for gun owners, BTW.
 
2014-06-27 10:01:18 AM  

NicktheSmoker: pueblonative: NicktheSmoker: pueblonative: NicktheSmoker: TuteTibiImperes: I don't have to worry about a guy on the street trying to rob me with a bottle of schnapps.  If a kid finds his dad case of Coors he isn't going to kill himself or his friend with it.  A maniac can't use a fifth of rum to kill dozens of unsuspecting people.

Or kid, finds dads booze and then gets smashed and drives somewhere.  Plenty of maniacs use alcohol and end up killing people.  That was the point of the article.  Ban one, need to ban the other then. Also, you forgot alcohol can't defend yourself or your property.  At least guns, in my opinion, also have a positive use. Alcohol does not.

Killing somebody is a positive. Got it.

No defending myself or my family is a positive.  Got that?  Do I need to type slower, or use smaller words?

Involving the use of deadly violence. At the best it's the lesser of two evils. At worse it's a jack off like you showing off and being "the man of the house"...in other words the worst person to hold a gun. Verstehst du, arschloch?

Wow, you gotta be the dumbest person I've had the pleasure of meeting.  Thanks. You can continue to make dumb arguments, I'm gonna pass on furthering this. Its like arguing with a wall, only the wall is dumber than average walls. And you can get that I'm sure, asshole.


Okay chucklefark. Enlighten us about the positives of killing a person. I'm sure you'll have no problems doing that.
 
2014-06-27 10:03:38 AM  

crab66: thefatbasturd: LazerFish: Emposter: crab66: I like how this is the blanket argument from gun nuts now.


See, something else kills people too! Therefore mass shootings are fine.


Flawless logic.

They have no real argument, so they resort to bullshiat.  Luckily for them, the country is full of gullible idiots.

More people die every year from being trampled by cattle than by skydiving accidents. By their logic, we have no need for parachutes.

Yeah keep telling yourself and your brain dead friends that is the argument being made and you can ignore the actual FACTS that are really being pointed out to you.


More people are killed every year by the ocean than choke on broom handles. Clearly we need to outlaw Potatoes!


Gunnut logic. Flawless.

I hope Obama comes in swinging his big black dick and takes all your guns right before he sends you to a FEMA camp.


Again. You KNOW that is not the argument being made. I know this is easier than fighting actual logic, but you don't make us look stupid by pretending you think it is, you make yourself look stupid.
 
2014-06-27 10:03:59 AM  

pueblonative: NicktheSmoker: pueblonative: NicktheSmoker: pueblonative: NicktheSmoker: TuteTibiImperes: I don't have to worry about a guy on the street trying to rob me with a bottle of schnapps.  If a kid finds his dad case of Coors he isn't going to kill himself or his friend with it.  A maniac can't use a fifth of rum to kill dozens of unsuspecting people.

Or kid, finds dads booze and then gets smashed and drives somewhere.  Plenty of maniacs use alcohol and end up killing people.  That was the point of the article.  Ban one, need to ban the other then. Also, you forgot alcohol can't defend yourself or your property.  At least guns, in my opinion, also have a positive use. Alcohol does not.

Killing somebody is a positive. Got it.

No defending myself or my family is a positive.  Got that?  Do I need to type slower, or use smaller words?

Involving the use of deadly violence. At the best it's the lesser of two evils. At worse it's a jack off like you showing off and being "the man of the house"...in other words the worst person to hold a gun. Verstehst du, arschloch?

Wow, you gotta be the dumbest person I've had the pleasure of meeting.  Thanks. You can continue to make dumb arguments, I'm gonna pass on furthering this. Its like arguing with a wall, only the wall is dumber than average walls. And you can get that I'm sure, asshole.

Okay chucklefark. Enlighten us about the positives of killing a person. I'm sure you'll have no problems doing that.


Say someone was trying to kill your wife or kids, you kill them first. Positive for most, you would be cowering under the bed hoping they don't kill you next.
 
2014-06-27 10:04:38 AM  

pueblonative: Enlighten us about the positives of killing a person


When the choice is between you or them (a criminal who initiates this confrontation), it will always be considered a positive when the person acting in self-defense prevails - even if that means that a person dies as a result of this confrontation.
 
2014-06-27 10:06:03 AM  

IlGreven: ...we did have that discussion.  It was called Prohibition. It was a colossal failure, mainly because the people who had an interest in keeping the booze flowing also had guns.


I see your knowledge of why prohibition failed is lacking.
 
2014-06-27 10:06:18 AM  

thefatbasturd: I know this is easier than fighting actual logic,


It is always much easier to knock down a strawman than a real man.
 
2014-06-27 10:07:51 AM  
The Constitution says one has the right to bear arms (well regulated [trained] militia, etc). What it doesn't say is that you have the right to handle them irresponsibly. Like carrying them into non-threatening situations such as a Chipotle.
 
2014-06-27 10:09:09 AM  

HeadLever: pueblonative: At the best it's the lesser of two evils. At worse it's a jack off like you showing off and being "the man of the house"

At the best, it is protection, at the worse, it makes pueblonative project something that most folks that own guns could really care less about. That is not a real negative for gun owners, BTW.


Yeah cause gun owners don't ever verbally mastubate about that one time where they were minding their own business walking around the grocery store when all of a sudden two robbers come in with rifles and it was a good thing for all those pants-wetting gun grabbers they has their handgun, got the drop on those two and saved the day.
 
2014-06-27 10:11:16 AM  
I had to ignore that guy. This is why debates about this never get anywhere. Guns are only bad to these people, and there is nothing good they could ever be used for. Protecting yourself or family is obviously not a concern for anyone in this country, since we obviously live in fantasy land.
 
2014-06-27 10:12:50 AM  

SurfaceTension: What it doesn't say is that you have the right to handle them irresponsibly. Like carrying them into non-threatening situations such as a Chipotle.


Where does it say that carrying them in to Chipotle is necessarily irresponsible?  If there was a threat prerequisite in order to carry firearms, then hunters would have a very difficult filling their freezers, benchrest shooters would have a very difficult time competing in matches, and criminals would just have to wait until their target was out of their house during non-threatening errands before they could rob or rape their intended target.
 
2014-06-27 10:13:31 AM  

Joe Blowme: pueblonative: NicktheSmoker: pueblonative: NicktheSmoker: pueblonative: NicktheSmoker: TuteTibiImperes: I don't have to worry about a guy on the street trying to rob me with a bottle of schnapps.  If a kid finds his dad case of Coors he isn't going to kill himself or his friend with it.  A maniac can't use a fifth of rum to kill dozens of unsuspecting people.

Or kid, finds dads booze and then gets smashed and drives somewhere.  Plenty of maniacs use alcohol and end up killing people.  That was the point of the article.  Ban one, need to ban the other then. Also, you forgot alcohol can't defend yourself or your property.  At least guns, in my opinion, also have a positive use. Alcohol does not.

Killing somebody is a positive. Got it.

No defending myself or my family is a positive.  Got that?  Do I need to type slower, or use smaller words?

Involving the use of deadly violence. At the best it's the lesser of two evils. At worse it's a jack off like you showing off and being "the man of the house"...in other words the worst person to hold a gun. Verstehst du, arschloch?

Wow, you gotta be the dumbest person I've had the pleasure of meeting.  Thanks. You can continue to make dumb arguments, I'm gonna pass on furthering this. Its like arguing with a wall, only the wall is dumber than average walls. And you can get that I'm sure, asshole.

Okay chucklefark. Enlighten us about the positives of killing a person. I'm sure you'll have no problems doing that.

Say someone was trying to kill your wife or kids, you kill them first. Positive for most, you would be cowering under the bed hoping they don't kill you next.


No shooting would be the lesser of two evils (done but nothing I consider a positive). You know what would be the positive? Not having them in the position to be able to kill them in the first place. But thanks for using the stereotype of the pants wetting surrender monkey because I don't consider guns the first option.
 
2014-06-27 10:15:09 AM  
Yes.  Replace all beer stores with pot stores, and replace all guns with airsofts and crossbows.  Problem solved, a million people that would have been dead can now pay taxes.
 
2014-06-27 10:15:16 AM  

pueblonative: Yeah cause gun owners don't ever verbally mastubate about that one time where they were minding their own business walking around the grocery store when all of a sudden two robbers come in with rifles and it was a good thing for all those pants-wetting gun grabbers they has their handgun, got the drop on those two and saved the day.


Even if they do, should that disqualify them from having the ability to protect themselves?  I would argue that being loud and obnoxious to pueblonative does not preclude their right to protect themselves.
 
2014-06-27 10:15:17 AM  

NicktheSmoker: I had to ignore that guy. This is why debates about this never get anywhere. Guns are only bad to these people, and there is nothing good they could ever be used for. Protecting yourself or family is obviously not a concern for anyone in this country, since we obviously live in fantasy land.


You ever know how it's only the drama mamas who have to announce they're ignoring people?
 
2014-06-27 10:15:42 AM  

LazerFish: thefatbasturd: Yeah keep telling yourself and your brain dead friends that is the argument being made and you can ignore the actual FACTS that are really being pointed out to you.

Facts are great, but RELEVANT facts are what matter.


And the FACT that if your supposed goal is "preventing death", the numbers show that gun deaths are actually MUCH rarer than you try to make them out and that there are many things causing death at a MUCH higher rate you could spend your time working on is pretty relevant.
 
2014-06-27 10:15:59 AM  
NicktheSmoker: I had to ignore that guy. This is why debates about this never get anywhere. Guns are only bad to these people, and there is nothing good they could ever be used for. Protecting yourself or family is obviously not a concern for anyone in this country, since we obviously live in fantasy land.


But make sure you tell us about it here, so that you can have the last word in your argument and let him know that you ignored him!
 
2014-06-27 10:17:10 AM  

pueblonative: HeadLever: pueblonative: At the best it's the lesser of two evils. At worse it's a jack off like you showing off and being "the man of the house"

At the best, it is protection, at the worse, it makes pueblonative project something that most folks that own guns could really care less about. That is not a real negative for gun owners, BTW.

Yeah cause gun owners don't ever verbally mastubate about that one time where they were minding their own business walking around the grocery store when all of a sudden two robbers come in with rifles and it was a good thing for all those pants-wetting gun grabbers they has their handgun, got the drop on those two and saved the day.


Drunks fantasize about killing people who look at them.
 
2014-06-27 10:17:55 AM  
I've said it before.  I'm glad handguns are illegal where I live - the best you can get is a bolt action hunting rifle, and even those are pretty damn hard to get.  And yes, we still have handgun deaths and violent crime, but nowhere near as much as you guys have in the USA.

That being said, I would never travel to Afghanistan without a gun.  I would never travel to Somalia without a gun.  And I would never go to your hell hole of a country, the USA, without a gun.
 
2014-06-27 10:18:11 AM  

pueblonative: NicktheSmoker: I had to ignore that guy. This is why debates about this never get anywhere. Guns are only bad to these people, and there is nothing good they could ever be used for. Protecting yourself or family is obviously not a concern for anyone in this country, since we obviously live in fantasy land.

You ever know how it's only the drama mamas who have to announce they're ignoring people?


Oh I can still see your comments, its just you have literally nothing that you are bringing to this argument, and I kind of think you might be mentally handicapped. But, you can keep on making your retarded comments, you have the freedom to do so.
 
2014-06-27 10:19:03 AM  

DougTaupe: The differences are subtle, maybe this will help:

Guns:
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Alcohol:
[www.aculyinternet.de image 414x414]


For many alcohol users, this is so true.

//powerful post, my friend
 
2014-06-27 10:20:03 AM  

Mrbogey: I don't see why we can't ban alcohol from being served in large glasses. What difference does it make if you drink beer one ounce at a time instead of 12? It'll keep kids who don't know any better drinking too fast.

The ATF could make it simple, one bend of the wrist equals one shot.


Don't know as I'd go that far, but can attest to the vast improvement of the behavior of the drinking contingent of students at U. of MO at Columbia after the City Council nixed the `to go' 24oz cups.   That last dose of polar solvents gulped on the way back to the dorms led to more than one drunken brouhaha (never to the level of the annual Halloween brawls on the main drag in Carbondale, Il, where the SIU students made it a point of pride to take out every window of every business on the main drag).

Still waiting for someone to explain the qualitative difference between death from drinking too much, passing out on one's back and subsequently aspirating on one's vomit, and death from shooting up heroin and dying from pulmonary edema.

What I would like to see is a study of CCW permitted individuals fitted with implantable stress hormone sensors.  Do the stress hormone levels drop while strapped in wally world or church?  Maybe an indirect study of CCW holders with preexisting cardiac conditions and those without.  Does the mere fact one is strapped increase stress hormones (sizing up the target pool constantly without consciously thinking about it) to dangerous levels?

Imagine you are required to sit in a locked room with 10 strangers, each of those individuals armed with a good old Charter Arms .357 Target Bulldog.  Before entering the room you are given the choice of which drug those 10 subjects will be dosed with...
 
2014-06-27 10:21:17 AM  

pueblonative: Not having them in the position to be able to kill them in the first place.


That is not a decision that can always be controlled by but the first 'them'. In essence, you point relies on ignoring reality.
 
2014-06-27 10:21:52 AM  

moeburn: I've said it before.  I'm glad handguns are illegal where I live - the best you can get is a bolt action hunting rifle, and even those are pretty damn hard to get.  And yes, we still have handgun deaths and violent crime, but nowhere near as much as you guys have in the USA.

That being said, I would never travel to Afghanistan without a gun.  I would never travel to Somalia without a gun.  And I would never go to your hell hole of a country, the USA, without a gun.


Man, you and pueblonaive should get a room, and jerk each other off. Seems you're the only two morons still talking about dumb shiat.  You even said you still have gun violence, but now you can literally do nothing about it. That sounds awesome. Hope that works out well for you.
 
2014-06-27 10:22:55 AM  

HeadLever: pueblonative: Yeah cause gun owners don't ever verbally mastubate about that one time where they were minding their own business walking around the grocery store when all of a sudden two robbers come in with rifles and it was a good thing for all those pants-wetting gun grabbers they has their handgun, got the drop on those two and saved the day.

Even if they do, should that disqualify them from having the ability to protect themselves?  I would argue that being loud and obnoxious to pueblonative does not preclude their right to protect themselves.


Seems to me a person looking to get on tv with their story about how they had to "protect themselves" has a very good motive to find situations where they have to "protect themselves" rather than do the smart thing such as get out of danger lest ITTs like Fred NeedsSomeHead accuses them of hiding while the kids and wife get shot.
 
2014-06-27 10:23:23 AM  

Low Budget Dave: AngryDragon: You can keep giving bullshiat comparisons?  Please do.

Can everybody play?

246.  I can choose not to drink.
247.  If I own a Starbucks, I can choose not to let people drink inside.
248.  I have never had a shot glass of vodka from three blocks away land in my back yard.
249.  I have never heard of anyone have a beer come flying into their living room and then decide to drink it.
250.  You can sometimes avoid drunk drivers just by taking the train.

I am not saying alcohol is fine.  It is a filthy addiction that has killed some of my friends and family.  Guns (to this point) have not.  But killing yourself with alcohol is largely a personal choice.  Having your child murdered by a stranger with an untreated mental illness is not.


So you agree that the answer is a better mental health system and NOT more gun laws? Cool!
 
2014-06-27 10:23:38 AM  

pueblonative: NicktheSmoker: I had to ignore that guy. This is why debates about this never get anywhere. Guns are only bad to these people, and there is nothing good they could ever be used for. Protecting yourself or family is obviously not a concern for anyone in this country, since we obviously live in fantasy land.

You ever know how it's only the drama mamas who have to announce they're ignoring people?


If you're posting in the comments section you're already an AW. "Someone read my post and and agrees with how awesome I am."
Personally, I like to skip all the foreplay.

Anyone want to see my gun(I mean my penis...in your email)
 
2014-06-27 10:24:30 AM  

NicktheSmoker: pueblonative: NicktheSmoker: I had to ignore that guy. This is why debates about this never get anywhere. Guns are only bad to these people, and there is nothing good they could ever be used for. Protecting yourself or family is obviously not a concern for anyone in this country, since we obviously live in fantasy land.

You ever know how it's only the drama mamas who have to announce they're ignoring people?

Oh I can still see your comments, its just you have literally nothing that you are bringing to this argument, and I kind of think you might be mentally handicapped. But, you can keep on making your retarded comments, you have the freedom to do so.


ignore. Understand this word you do not.
 
2014-06-27 10:26:08 AM  

pueblonative: Seems to me a person looking to get on tv with their story about how they had to "protect themselves" has a very good motive to find situations where they have to "protect themselves" rather than do the smart thing such as get out of danger lest ITTs like Fred NeedsSomeHead accuses them of hiding while the kids and wife get shot.


So someone needs to insert themselves into danger with the likelihood of getting shot (and maybe killed) just so they can get on TV?

This actually makes sense to you?  Wow dude.  Not sure if you are trolling or mentally ill.  Maybe both?
 
2014-06-27 10:26:31 AM  

pueblonative: Seems to me a person looking to get on tv with their story about how they had to "protect themselves" has a very good motive to find situations where they have to "protect themselves" rather than do the smart thing such as get out of danger lest ITTs like Fred NeedsSomeHead accuses them of hiding while the kids and wife get shot.


And with drunks, you don't need any reason at all to beat your wife to death. Just sit in jail singing Glenn Campbell's "Rhinestone Cowboy," and in the morning they'll tell you what you did the night before. Then you can say, "Gee, I don't know why I did that. I must have been pretty drunk."
 
2014-06-27 10:26:39 AM  

thefatbasturd: Low Budget Dave: AngryDragon: You can keep giving bullshiat comparisons?  Please do.

Can everybody play?

246.  I can choose not to drink.
247.  If I own a Starbucks, I can choose not to let people drink inside.
248.  I have never had a shot glass of vodka from three blocks away land in my back yard.
249.  I have never heard of anyone have a beer come flying into their living room and then decide to drink it.
250.  You can sometimes avoid drunk drivers just by taking the train.

I am not saying alcohol is fine.  It is a filthy addiction that has killed some of my friends and family.  Guns (to this point) have not.  But killing yourself with alcohol is largely a personal choice.  Having your child murdered by a stranger with an untreated mental illness is not.

So you agree that the answer is a better mental health system and NOT more gun laws? Cool!


It would solve both problems. Or at least put a dent in them.
 
2014-06-27 10:28:05 AM  

NicktheSmoker: moeburn: I've said it before.  I'm glad handguns are illegal where I live - the best you can get is a bolt action hunting rifle, and even those are pretty damn hard to get.  And yes, we still have handgun deaths and violent crime, but nowhere near as much as you guys have in the USA.

That being said, I would never travel to Afghanistan without a gun.  I would never travel to Somalia without a gun.  And I would never go to your hell hole of a country, the USA, without a gun.

Man, you and pueblonaive should get a room, and jerk each other off. Seems you're the only two morons still talking about dumb shiat.  You even said you still have gun violence, but now you can literally do nothing about it. That sounds awesome. Hope that works out well for you.


I don't even... what?

Okay, I crossed out all the "dumb shiat" and left the actual argument you made.  Yes, we still have gun violence, but if you will notice the second half of that sentence, WE HAVE A LOT LESS THAN YOU!  And "You can literally do nothing about it"?  If you're referring to reducing gun violence - sure we can, from better school programs, community services, outreach programs, better jobs for young people, partial legalization of illicit trades, better welfare programs...  If you're referring to a specific instance when someone pulls a gun on you, no, you're right, you won't have a gun to pull on them.  But considering the chances of A) someone pulling a gun on me, and B) me having the opportunity to actually get my gun out without getting shot in the process, I'd much rather keep handguns illegal than keep one for myself.

But again, if I had to go to the states, a handgun would be the first thing on my list of necessities, because you're all farking nuts and I don't trust any of you.
 
2014-06-27 10:29:22 AM  

Lenny_da_Hog: pueblonative: HeadLever: pueblonative: At the best it's the lesser of two evils. At worse it's a jack off like you showing off and being "the man of the house"

At the best, it is protection, at the worse, it makes pueblonative project something that most folks that own guns could really care less about. That is not a real negative for gun owners, BTW.

Yeah cause gun owners don't ever verbally mastubate about that one time where they were minding their own business walking around the grocery store when all of a sudden two robbers come in with rifles and it was a good thing for all those pants-wetting gun grabbers they has their handgun, got the drop on those two and saved the day.

Drunks fantasize about killing people who look at them.


I don't think those fantasies involve shooting two boubon shots into their victims point blank.
 
2014-06-27 10:31:02 AM  

pueblonative: Lenny_da_Hog: pueblonative: HeadLever: pueblonative: At the best it's the lesser of two evils. At worse it's a jack off like you showing off and being "the man of the house"

At the best, it is protection, at the worse, it makes pueblonative project something that most folks that own guns could really care less about. That is not a real negative for gun owners, BTW.

Yeah cause gun owners don't ever verbally mastubate about that one time where they were minding their own business walking around the grocery store when all of a sudden two robbers come in with rifles and it was a good thing for all those pants-wetting gun grabbers they has their handgun, got the drop on those two and saved the day.

Drunks fantasize about killing people who look at them.

I don't think those fantasies involve shooting two boubon shots into their victims point blank.


No, they usually involve killing people with whatever weapons are available. That's why alcohol is a factor in forty percent of violent crimes.

WHATCHU LOOKIN' AT? HUH? WHATCHU LOOKIN' AT?
 
2014-06-27 10:32:13 AM  

moeburn: NicktheSmoker: moeburn: I've said it before.  I'm glad handguns are illegal where I live - the best you can get is a bolt action hunting rifle, and even those are pretty damn hard to get.  And yes, we still have handgun deaths and violent crime, but nowhere near as much as you guys have in the USA.

That being said, I would never travel to Afghanistan without a gun.  I would never travel to Somalia without a gun.  And I would never go to your hell hole of a country, the USA, without a gun.

Man, you and pueblonaive should get a room, and jerk each other off. Seems you're the only two morons still talking about dumb shiat.  You even said you still have gun violence, but now you can literally do nothing about it. That sounds awesome. Hope that works out well for you.

I don't even... what?

Okay, I crossed out all the "dumb shiat" and left the actual argument you made.  Yes, we still have gun violence, but if you will notice the second half of that sentence, WE HAVE A LOT LESS THAN YOU!  And "You can literally do nothing about it"?  If you're referring to reducing gun violence - sure we can, from better school programs, community services, outreach programs, better jobs for young people, partial legalization of illicit trades, better welfare programs...  If you're referring to a specific instance when someone pulls a gun on you, no, you're right, you won't have a gun to pull on them.  But considering the chances of A) someone pulling a gun on me, and B) me having the opportunity to actually get my gun out without getting shot in the process, I'd much rather keep handguns illegal than keep one for myself.

But again, if I had to go to the states, a handgun would be the first thing on my list of necessities, because you're all farking nuts and I don't trust any of you.


Oh wow, your country has less gun violence than us.  But how can that be, our country is soooo much smaller than your great country? Statistically speaking, we should have way less I guess. You are so right, ban all the guns!
 
2014-06-27 10:32:54 AM  

pueblonative: I don't think those fantasies involve shooting two boubon shots into their victims point blank.


Why not?  Beer bottles are the weapon of choice in many a bar brawl.  Break one on the table and you now have an assault bottle that can bludgeon and stab.
 
2014-06-27 10:33:04 AM  

moeburn: NicktheSmoker: moeburn: I've said it before.  I'm glad handguns are illegal where I live - the best you can get is a bolt action hunting rifle, and even those are pretty damn hard to get.  And yes, we still have handgun deaths and violent crime, but nowhere near as much as you guys have in the USA.

That being said, I would never travel to Afghanistan without a gun.  I would never travel to Somalia without a gun.  And I would never go to your hell hole of a country, the USA, without a gun.

Man, you and pueblonaive should get a room, and jerk each other off. Seems you're the only two morons still talking about dumb shiat.  You even said you still have gun violence, but now you can literally do nothing about it. That sounds awesome. Hope that works out well for you.

I don't even... what?

Okay, I crossed out all the "dumb shiat" and left the actual argument you made.  Yes, we still have gun violence, but if you will notice the second half of that sentence, WE HAVE A LOT LESS THAN YOU!  And "You can literally do nothing about it"?  If you're referring to reducing gun violence - sure we can, from better school programs, community services, outreach programs, better jobs for young people, partial legalization of illicit trades, better welfare programs...  If you're referring to a specific instance when someone pulls a gun on you, no, you're right, you won't have a gun to pull on them.  But considering the chances of A) someone pulling a gun on me, and B) me having the opportunity to actually get my gun out without getting shot in the process, I'd much rather keep handguns illegal than keep one for myself.

But again, if I had to go to the states, a handgun would be the first thing on my list of necessities, because you're all farking nuts and I don't trust any of you.


Its a regular wild west out here partner. Just the other day I was passing by the saloon (on the way to the outhouse obviously) where Jim Bob shot ol' Charlie Mansford dead over a game of cards.

/murica
 
2014-06-27 10:33:59 AM  

Lenny_da_Hog: pueblonative: Lenny_da_Hog: pueblonative: HeadLever: pueblonative: At the best it's the lesser of two evils. At worse it's a jack off like you showing off and being "the man of the house"

At the best, it is protection, at the worse, it makes pueblonative project something that most folks that own guns could really care less about. That is not a real negative for gun owners, BTW.

Yeah cause gun owners don't ever verbally mastubate about that one time where they were minding their own business walking around the grocery store when all of a sudden two robbers come in with rifles and it was a good thing for all those pants-wetting gun grabbers they has their handgun, got the drop on those two and saved the day.

Drunks fantasize about killing people who look at them.

I don't think those fantasies involve shooting two boubon shots into their victims point blank.

No, they usually involve killing people with whatever weapons are available. That's why alcohol is a factor in forty percent of violent crimes.

WHATCHU LOOKIN' AT? HUH? WHATCHU LOOKIN' AT?


So what percentage are weapons a factor in?
 
2014-06-27 10:37:26 AM  

pueblonative: So what percentage are weapons a factor in?


First define "weapon".  Fists?  Full liquor glass bottles?  Empty beer bottles? Tables and chairs?  Pocket knifes?  Pool sticks?
 
2014-06-27 10:39:10 AM  

pueblonative: Lenny_da_Hog: pueblonative: Lenny_da_Hog: pueblonative: HeadLever: pueblonative: At the best it's the lesser of two evils. At worse it's a jack off like you showing off and being "the man of the house"

At the best, it is protection, at the worse, it makes pueblonative project something that most folks that own guns could really care less about. That is not a real negative for gun owners, BTW.

Yeah cause gun owners don't ever verbally mastubate about that one time where they were minding their own business walking around the grocery store when all of a sudden two robbers come in with rifles and it was a good thing for all those pants-wetting gun grabbers they has their handgun, got the drop on those two and saved the day.

Drunks fantasize about killing people who look at them.

I don't think those fantasies involve shooting two boubon shots into their victims point blank.

No, they usually involve killing people with whatever weapons are available. That's why alcohol is a factor in forty percent of violent crimes.

WHATCHU LOOKIN' AT? HUH? WHATCHU LOOKIN' AT?

So what percentage are weapons a factor in?


I think it's safe to say that there are many more incidences of domestic violence involving alcohol than involving guns, even if you were to eliminate the ones that involve both guns and alcohol.
 
2014-06-27 10:43:52 AM  
We should totally make things I don't like illegal, because i like controlling other people's lives.

Unless we are talking about something I do like, of course. Then all those other busybody assholes should mind their own business.
 
2014-06-27 10:46:59 AM  

HeadLever: pueblonative: So what percentage are weapons a factor in?

First define "weapon".  Fists?  Full liquor glass bottles?  Empty beer bottles? Tables and chairs?  Pocket knifes?  Pool sticks?


Lawn furniture, styrofoam cups. I know I know. Why just the other day two men burst into my house wielding a couple of Tickle Me Elmos. I (as per gun grabber protocol) crapped my pants and dove under my bed leaving my wife and son to fend for myself. This is starting to piss off my wife. Not the bed diving (she's a Masshole and is proficlent in the deadly art of Big Bird nunchucking), but me going through more dayiapers than my son.

I even hear that there is this new type of weapon. One that can project these hard metel objects called bullets. You don't think that will catch on, do you? Oh shiat i think I need another trip to the store.
 
2014-06-27 10:54:25 AM  

pueblonative: I even hear that there is this new type of weapon. One that can project these hard metel objects called bullets. You don't think that will catch on, do you? Oh shiat i think I need another trip to the store.


I wonder why the gun stores don't have intimidating bouncers at the door, but alcohol establishments regularly employ them.

It's almost as if the people who sell booze associate it with violence and have to be prepared for it.
 
2014-06-27 10:56:37 AM  

pueblonative: Lawn furniture, styrofoam cups. I know I know. Why just the other day two men burst into my house wielding a couple of Tickle Me Elmos. I (as per gun grabber protocol) crapped my pants and dove under my bed leaving my wife and son to fend for myself. This is starting to piss off my wife. Not the bed diving (she's a Masshole and is proficlent in the deadly art of Big Bird nunchucking), but me going through more dayiapers than my son.

I even hear that there is this new type of weapon. One that can project these hard metel objects called bullets. You don't think that will catch on, do you? Oh shiat i think I need another trip to the store.


So a red herring delivered by an appeal to ridicule?  I guess if you can't even define what you are talking about, you have to divert the discussion somewhere.  Why not take the dumb it to Ludicrous Speed, amiright?
 
2014-06-27 10:56:41 AM  
Gecko Gingrich: Many states allow minors to drink under adult supervision. Even been to a Mass?

Nope, I'm not catholic.
 
2014-06-27 10:57:17 AM  

Bill_Wick's_Friend: There are warning labels on liquor in the USA.

You can't carry an open beer around in the USA.

Minors, even under supervision, are prohibited from using liquor in the USA.

I can keep going. I can think of many many ways in which liquor is regulated in the USA with the purpose of minimizing the harm alcohol does to society. Similar measures with regards to guns are decried as draconian gun-grabbing anti-constitutional totalitarianism by the NRA crowd.


Yeah, this.

Of course, many of the liquor laws are ridiculous. I don't know why Americans do this thing where we either can't have ANY of something (like gluten) because reasons they saw on a talk show or the interent, OR we have way too goddam much.

Moderation is "boring," even though it's the approach to most things that makes the most sense.

America!
 
2014-06-27 10:57:30 AM  

Lenny_da_Hog: I think it's safe to say that there are many more incidences of domestic violence involving alcohol than involving guns, even if you were to eliminate the ones that involve both guns and alcohol.


if it's safe I shouldn't have to go far on the internet to find evidence.  Oh, here I go:

Women face immense danger from guns in the hands of their intimate partners. From 1990-1999, 63% of the female homicides by intimate partners involved guns.1 Having one or more guns in the home make a woman 7.2 times more likely to be murdered by her intimate partner.2 According to a study of crime data from 1976-1987, more women were shot and killed by a husband or intimate acquaintance than were murdered by strangers using firearms, knives, or any other means.3


So, don't know exactly about the incident, but I do know that a gun increases the chances of that swollen eye being exchanged for rigor mortis.
 
2014-06-27 11:00:44 AM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: Of course, many of the liquor laws are ridiculous


Many of the liquor laws are an outgrowth of Puritanical laws and have nothing to to with regulating other than prohibition through attrition.
 
2014-06-27 11:04:07 AM  
When we made alcohol illegal, it resulted in significantly increased violent crime.

When significant efforts have been made to curb private ownership of firearms (australia, scandinavian countries), it results in significantly decreased violent crime.
 
2014-06-27 11:04:16 AM  

pueblonative: Lenny_da_Hog: I think it's safe to say that there are many more incidences of domestic violence involving alcohol than involving guns, even if you were to eliminate the ones that involve both guns and alcohol.

if it's safe I shouldn't have to go far on the internet to find evidence.  Oh, here I go:

Women face immense danger from guns in the hands of their intimate partners. From 1990-1999, 63% of the female homicides by intimate partners involved guns.1 Having one or more guns in the home make a woman 7.2 times more likely to be murdered by her intimate partner.2 According to a study of crime data from 1976-1987, more women were shot and killed by a husband or intimate acquaintance than were murdered by strangers using firearms, knives, or any other means.3


So, don't know exactly about the incident, but I do know that a gun increases the chances of that swollen eye being exchanged for rigor mortis.


Meanwhile, many of those homicides are driven by alcohol. So be consistent. Be for further restrictions on alcohol if you want to restrict guns.
 
2014-06-27 11:05:34 AM  

Lenny_da_Hog: Meanwhile, many of those homicides are driven by alcohol. So be consistent. Be for further restrictions on alcohol if you want to restrict guns.


is "many" a statistical term?
 
2014-06-27 11:07:38 AM  

HeadLever: So a red herring delivered by an appeal to ridicule? I guess if you can't even define what you are talking about, you have to divert the discussion somewhere. Why not take the dumb it to Ludicrous Speed, amiright?


You mean just like you can list synonyms for weapon and can't list the most obvious one?

HeadLever: pueblonative: So what percentage are weapons a factor in?

First define "weapon".  Fists?  Full liquor glass bottles?  Empty beer bottles? Tables and chairs?  Pocket knifes?  Pool sticks?


And yet no mention of guns.  Why is that?  It's almost as if you're somehow afraid of calling guns what they are.  Nah, a pro-gun guy is never afraid.
 
2014-06-27 11:08:01 AM  

pueblonative: Lenny_da_Hog: I think it's safe to say that there are many more incidences of domestic violence involving alcohol than involving guns, even if you were to eliminate the ones that involve both guns and alcohol.

if it's safe I shouldn't have to go far on the internet to find evidence.  Oh, here I go:

Women face immense danger from guns in the hands of their intimate partners. From 1990-1999, 63% of the female homicides by intimate partners involved guns.1 Having one or more guns in the home make a woman 7.2 times more likely to be murdered by her intimate partner.2 According to a study of crime data from 1976-1987, more women were shot and killed by a husband or intimate acquaintance than were murdered by strangers using firearms, knives, or any other means.3


So, don't know exactly about the incident, but I do know that a gun increases the chances of that swollen eye being exchanged for rigor mortis.


Your evidence does not address his point in the slightest.  The amount of domestic violence due to alcohol is not accounted for and cannot be compared to the information that you posted.  Plus the information you posted only accounts for deaths and not account for domestic violence.
 
2014-06-27 11:09:49 AM  

Abuse Liability: thefatbasturd: Low Budget Dave: AngryDragon: You can keep giving bullshiat comparisons?  Please do.

Can everybody play?

246.  I can choose not to drink.
247.  If I own a Starbucks, I can choose not to let people drink inside.
248.  I have never had a shot glass of vodka from three blocks away land in my back yard.
249.  I have never heard of anyone have a beer come flying into their living room and then decide to drink it.
250.  You can sometimes avoid drunk drivers just by taking the train.

I am not saying alcohol is fine.  It is a filthy addiction that has killed some of my friends and family.  Guns (to this point) have not.  But killing yourself with alcohol is largely a personal choice.  Having your child murdered by a stranger with an untreated mental illness is not.

So you agree that the answer is a better mental health system and NOT more gun laws? Cool!

It would solve both problems. Or at least put a dent in them.


Oh I sm totally serious. The problem with mass shootings has MUCH more to do with mental health issues than gun control. If these mentally unstable people are diagnosed, their are already laws in place to prevent them from owning guns. And I have yet to see one of these killers NOT described as "troubled" or "dangerous" or "threatening" or some other euphemism. Yet usually nobody does anything. And if they do, the authorities tend to ignore it. Because it's not nice to lable someone as mentally ill. So they don't. And then when somebody snaps and goes on a killing spree, idiots want to blame the guns.
 
2014-06-27 11:12:45 AM  

pueblonative: You mean just like you can list synonyms for weapon and can't list the most obvious one?


They are not synonyms.  They are a subset of a parent category.  Weapon is an umbrella term that covers more than just firearms.

And yet no mention of guns.

That is why I asked.  I wanted you to define your own assertion.  You can add guns if you want.  However, your inability to define the term (not sure if you don't know or don't want to recognize that there are other weapons other than firearms) indicates your lack of intellectual honesty regarding the assertion.
 
2014-06-27 11:13:31 AM  

HeadLever: pueblonative: Lenny_da_Hog: I think it's safe to say that there are many more incidences of domestic violence involving alcohol than involving guns, even if you were to eliminate the ones that involve both guns and alcohol.

if it's safe I shouldn't have to go far on the internet to find evidence.  Oh, here I go:

Women face immense danger from guns in the hands of their intimate partners. From 1990-1999, 63% of the female homicides by intimate partners involved guns.1 Having one or more guns in the home make a woman 7.2 times more likely to be murdered by her intimate partner.2 According to a study of crime data from 1976-1987, more women were shot and killed by a husband or intimate acquaintance than were murdered by strangers using firearms, knives, or any other means.3


So, don't know exactly about the incident, but I do know that a gun increases the chances of that swollen eye being exchanged for rigor mortis.

Your evidence does not address his point in the slightest.  The amount of domestic violence due to alcohol is not accounted for and cannot be compared to the information that you posted.  Plus the information you posted only accounts for deaths and not account for domestic violence.


"you're more worried about the deaths than the black eyes!"
 
2014-06-27 11:17:17 AM  

pueblonative: "you're more worried about the deaths than the black eyes!"


I am more worried about you actually addressing the point instead of battling a straw man augments.  Just because you point deals with with a more serious outcome to a certain problem does not mean that it address the post you were responding to.
 
2014-06-27 11:21:57 AM  
moeburn:

But again, if I had to go to the states, a handgun would be the first thing on my list of necessities, because you're all farking nuts and I don't trust any of you.

Unfortunately that thought process is what's responsible for the sky-high rates of gun violence in the US.  The data is pretty clear that nations with more gun restrictions, less access to guns, and fewer guns on the streets have much lower rates of gun violence.  The US leads the developed world in both firearms per capita and gun deaths per capita.  Looking at the data compared to other developed nations the relationship is almost linear - we have about twice as many guns per capita as Switzerland, and a little over twice as many gun deaths per capita.  We have a little over 3x the guns per capita of France, and about 3x the per capita gun deaths.

The solution is so blindingly obvious that someone has to be monumentally thick not to get it - reduce the number of guns, and we'll reduce the number of gun deaths.

Most people have no problem taking guns from criminals, but they cling to their own vociferously.  They don't seem to get the connection that to make the entire country a safer place that they need to be willing to let their guns go.

You don't need a handgun in the US, you really don't need any gun, but I'd be willing to make exceptions for basic rifles and shotguns for hui hunters and those that choose to live out in the boonies where wild animal attacks could be an issue.  I've lived my entire life without owning a gun, and I've never been in a position where I've wished I had one.  Of my circle of friends none own guns, and none have ever needed one.

We can solve the problem, we just need to admit to ourselves that the world isn't such a scary place and that there's no reason for most of us to have guns.
 
2014-06-27 11:23:10 AM  

pueblonative: Lenny_da_Hog: Meanwhile, many of those homicides are driven by alcohol. So be consistent. Be for further restrictions on alcohol if you want to restrict guns.

is "many" a statistical term?


There's a great little table on page 2 of this PDF.

For homicide and attempted homicide of women by their domestic partners, 35.1% of assailants were drunk every day, 49.2% were considered problem drinkers.

For women abused (but not killed/attempted), those numbers go down to 11.6 and 31.1%, respectively.

For non-abused women, 1.2% of their partners were drunk every day, and 6.2% were problem drinkers.

Just be consistent. If you want to reduce violence, be against alcohol as much as you're against guns.
 
2014-06-27 11:24:47 AM  
All I wanted was some booze porn to get me through Friday at work.  Somehow the gun crazies showed up and ruined my booze thread.  Give it a rest fellas.  Go have a beer.
 
2014-06-27 11:27:43 AM  
how many times more people per year die than die from smoking weed?
 
2014-06-27 11:30:22 AM  
www.milb.com
 
2014-06-27 11:34:08 AM  
When they make a gun you can pour into a shaker with ice, add two jiggers of sour mix, shake the beejuz out of it, then strain over crushed ice and add a paper umbrella.

Or when they make a booze you can group tight at 100 yards.

Until then guns are guns and booze is booze. One is a dangerous tool used in class warfare. The other shoots bullets.
 
2014-06-27 11:34:21 AM  

thefatbasturd: The problem with mass shootings has MUCH more to do with mental health issues than gun control.


no they don't.
 
2014-06-27 11:35:05 AM  

trappedspirit: [www.milb.com image 633x356]


Cool, something that doesn't have anything to do with alcohol or guns.
 
2014-06-27 11:35:48 AM  

TwistedIvory: Bill_Wick's_Friend: There are warning labels on liquor in the USA.

You can't carry an open beer around in the USA.

Minors, even under supervision, are prohibited from using liquor in the USA.

I can keep going. I can think of many many ways in which liquor is regulated in the USA with the purpose of minimizing the harm alcohol does to society. Similar measures with regards to guns are decried as draconian gun-grabbing anti-constitutional totalitarianism by the NRA crowd.

By the way, your arguments here do fall flat. Firearms are heavily regulated. There are tons of warning labels on new firearms. Minors are prohibited from owning firearms. Carrying firearms (openly or concealed) is heavily regulated throughout the country, with each state having a different approach.

I see where you're coming from and I get it (the false equivalency argument) but the examples you set forth fall flat.


Seems they contradict his arguement - If alcohol has all these restrictions and STILL accounts for 3x as many deaths.. clearly the restrictions are useless and won't have any impact on guns either.
 
2014-06-27 11:38:24 AM  
Alcohol should not be ingested.  Just because you enjoy feeling stupid, and humanity has a long history of enjoying it, doesn't mean it should continue.  Same thing with sugar.

Look around, we're fat and stupid.  This cures a lot of it.
 
2014-06-27 11:38:53 AM  

HeadLever: pueblonative: "you're more worried about the deaths than the black eyes!"

I am more worried about you actually addressing the point instead of battling a straw man augments.  Just because you point deals with with a more serious outcome to a certain problem does not mean that it address the post you were responding to.


No, you're worried about somebody coming to take your toy, even when nobody in their right mind in this country has seriously proposed anything of the sort.  Stronger database checks and linking across state lines, controls, tracking and increased liability on guns from producer to retailer to seller (first, second, third, etc with none of this family & friends exemption bullshiat:  Ted Bundy's grandma probably thought he was so sweet he could only kill through diabetes), a fully funded ATF with a full time director.
 
2014-06-27 11:44:52 AM  

pueblonative: HeadLever: pueblonative: "you're more worried about the deaths than the black eyes!"

I am more worried about you actually addressing the point instead of battling a straw man augments.  Just because you point deals with with a more serious outcome to a certain problem does not mean that it address the post you were responding to.

No, you're worried about somebody coming to take your toy, even when nobody in their right mind in this country has seriously proposed anything of the sort.  Stronger database checks and linking across state lines, controls, tracking and increased liability on guns from producer to retailer to seller (first, second, third, etc with none of this family & friends exemption bullshiat:  Ted Bundy's grandma probably thought he was so sweet he could only kill through diabetes), a fully funded ATF with a full time director.


And do the same with alcohol. You should have to pass a background check to purchase it. If you've ever been convicted of an alcohol-related crime, your ability to buy it should be curtailed or revoked. If you buy it for someone with revoked privileges, you should be charged.
 
2014-06-27 11:46:50 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: I don't have to worry about a guy on the street trying to rob me with a bottle of schnapps.  If a kid finds his dad case of Coors he isn't going to kill himself or his friend with it.  A maniac can't use a fifth of rum to kill dozens of unsuspecting people.


A fifth of rum and a pickup...
 
2014-06-27 11:50:30 AM  

Lenny_da_Hog: pueblonative: HeadLever: pueblonative: "you're more worried about the deaths than the black eyes!"

I am more worried about you actually addressing the point instead of battling a straw man augments.  Just because you point deals with with a more serious outcome to a certain problem does not mean that it address the post you were responding to.

No, you're worried about somebody coming to take your toy, even when nobody in their right mind in this country has seriously proposed anything of the sort.  Stronger database checks and linking across state lines, controls, tracking and increased liability on guns from producer to retailer to seller (first, second, third, etc with none of this family & friends exemption bullshiat:  Ted Bundy's grandma probably thought he was so sweet he could only kill through diabetes), a fully funded ATF with a full time director.

And do the same with alcohol. You should have to pass a background check to purchase it. If you've ever been convicted of an alcohol-related crime, your ability to buy it should be curtailed or revoked. If you buy it for someone with revoked privileges, you should be charged.


Because the role of alcohol in a violent incident is exactly the same as that of a gun in a violent incident.
 
2014-06-27 11:51:53 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: moeburn:

But again, if I had to go to the states, a handgun would be the first thing on my list of necessities, because you're all farking nuts and I don't trust any of you.

Unfortunately that thought process is what's responsible for the sky-high rates of gun violence in the US.  The data is pretty clear that nations with more gun restrictions, less access to guns, and fewer guns on the streets have much lower rates of gun violence.  The US leads the developed world in both firearms per capita and gun deaths per capita.  Looking at the data compared to other developed nations the relationship is almost linear - we have about twice as many guns per capita as Switzerland, and a little over twice as many gun deaths per capita.  We have a little over 3x the guns per capita of France, and about 3x the per capita gun deaths.

The solution is so blindingly obvious that someone has to be monumentally thick not to get it - reduce the number of guns, and we'll reduce the number of gun deaths.

Most people have no problem taking guns from criminals, but they cling to their own vociferously.  They don't seem to get the connection that to make the entire country a safer place that they need to be willing to let their guns go.

You don't need a handgun in the US, you really don't need any gun, but I'd be willing to make exceptions for basic rifles and shotguns for hui hunters and those that choose to live out in the boonies where wild animal attacks could be an issue.  I've lived my entire life without owning a gun, and I've never been in a position where I've wished I had one.  Of my circle of friends none own guns, and none have ever needed one.

We can solve the problem, we just need to admit to ourselves that the world isn't such a scary place and that there's no reason for most of us to have guns.


You tell me how you plan to use a law/laws to take the guns from the criminals who by definition have no broblem ignoring laws and maybe we'll talk.
 
2014-06-27 11:57:10 AM  

Bill_Wick's_Friend: There are warning labels on liquor in the USA.

You can't carry an open beer around in the USA.

Minors, even under supervision, are prohibited from using liquor in the USA.

I can keep going. I can think of many many ways in which liquor is regulated in the USA with the purpose of minimizing the harm alcohol does to society. Similar measures with regards to guns are decried as draconian gun-grabbing anti-constitutional totalitarianism by the NRA crowd.


In many states you can only by liquor at stores run by the state.
 
2014-06-27 11:57:45 AM  

thefatbasturd: TuteTibiImperes: moeburn:

But again, if I had to go to the states, a handgun would be the first thing on my list of necessities, because you're all farking nuts and I don't trust any of you.

Unfortunately that thought process is what's responsible for the sky-high rates of gun violence in the US.  The data is pretty clear that nations with more gun restrictions, less access to guns, and fewer guns on the streets have much lower rates of gun violence.  The US leads the developed world in both firearms per capita and gun deaths per capita.  Looking at the data compared to other developed nations the relationship is almost linear - we have about twice as many guns per capita as Switzerland, and a little over twice as many gun deaths per capita.  We have a little over 3x the guns per capita of France, and about 3x the per capita gun deaths.

The solution is so blindingly obvious that someone has to be monumentally thick not to get it - reduce the number of guns, and we'll reduce the number of gun deaths.

Most people have no problem taking guns from criminals, but they cling to their own vociferously.  They don't seem to get the connection that to make the entire country a safer place that they need to be willing to let their guns go.

You don't need a handgun in the US, you really don't need any gun, but I'd be willing to make exceptions for basic rifles and shotguns for hui hunters and those that choose to live out in the boonies where wild animal attacks could be an issue.  I've lived my entire life without owning a gun, and I've never been in a position where I've wished I had one.  Of my circle of friends none own guns, and none have ever needed one.

We can solve the problem, we just need to admit to ourselves that the world isn't such a scary place and that there's no reason for most of us to have guns.

You tell me how you plan to use a law/laws to take the guns from the criminals who by definition have no broblem ignoring laws and maybe we'll talk.


So why have laws?
 
2014-06-27 12:00:23 PM  

pueblonative: Lenny_da_Hog: pueblonative: HeadLever: pueblonative: "you're more worried about the deaths than the black eyes!"

I am more worried about you actually addressing the point instead of battling a straw man augments.  Just because you point deals with with a more serious outcome to a certain problem does not mean that it address the post you were responding to.

No, you're worried about somebody coming to take your toy, even when nobody in their right mind in this country has seriously proposed anything of the sort.  Stronger database checks and linking across state lines, controls, tracking and increased liability on guns from producer to retailer to seller (first, second, third, etc with none of this family & friends exemption bullshiat:  Ted Bundy's grandma probably thought he was so sweet he could only kill through diabetes), a fully funded ATF with a full time director.

And do the same with alcohol. You should have to pass a background check to purchase it. If you've ever been convicted of an alcohol-related crime, your ability to buy it should be curtailed or revoked. If you buy it for someone with revoked privileges, you should be charged.

Because the role of alcohol in a violent incident is exactly the same as that of a gun in a violent incident.


Of course not. The role of alcohol in a violent incident is much more prevalent than the use of a gun in a violent incident.
 
2014-06-27 12:01:27 PM  

pueblonative: thefatbasturd: TuteTibiImperes: moeburn:

But again, if I had to go to the states, a handgun would be the first thing on my list of necessities, because you're all farking nuts and I don't trust any of you.

Unfortunately that thought process is what's responsible for the sky-high rates of gun violence in the US.  The data is pretty clear that nations with more gun restrictions, less access to guns, and fewer guns on the streets have much lower rates of gun violence.  The US leads the developed world in both firearms per capita and gun deaths per capita.  Looking at the data compared to other developed nations the relationship is almost linear - we have about twice as many guns per capita as Switzerland, and a little over twice as many gun deaths per capita.  We have a little over 3x the guns per capita of France, and about 3x the per capita gun deaths.

The solution is so blindingly obvious that someone has to be monumentally thick not to get it - reduce the number of guns, and we'll reduce the number of gun deaths.

Most people have no problem taking guns from criminals, but they cling to their own vociferously.  They don't seem to get the connection that to make the entire country a safer place that they need to be willing to let their guns go.

You don't need a handgun in the US, you really don't need any gun, but I'd be willing to make exceptions for basic rifles and shotguns for hui hunters and those that choose to live out in the boonies where wild animal attacks could be an issue.  I've lived my entire life without owning a gun, and I've never been in a position where I've wished I had one.  Of my circle of friends none own guns, and none have ever needed one.

We can solve the problem, we just need to admit to ourselves that the world isn't such a scary place and that there's no reason for most of us to have guns.

You tell me how you plan to use a law/laws to take the guns from the criminals who by definition have no broblem ignoring laws and maybe we'll talk.

So why have laws?


No. Why make NEW laws that won't work any better than the ones we have instead of just fixing the ones already in place?
 
2014-06-27 12:01:40 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: pueblonative: Lenny_da_Hog: pueblonative: HeadLever: pueblonative: "you're more worried about the deaths than the black eyes!"

I am more worried about you actually addressing the point instead of battling a straw man augments.  Just because you point deals with with a more serious outcome to a certain problem does not mean that it address the post you were responding to.

No, you're worried about somebody coming to take your toy, even when nobody in their right mind in this country has seriously proposed anything of the sort.  Stronger database checks and linking across state lines, controls, tracking and increased liability on guns from producer to retailer to seller (first, second, third, etc with none of this family & friends exemption bullshiat:  Ted Bundy's grandma probably thought he was so sweet he could only kill through diabetes), a fully funded ATF with a full time director.

And do the same with alcohol. You should have to pass a background check to purchase it. If you've ever been convicted of an alcohol-related crime, your ability to buy it should be curtailed or revoked. If you buy it for someone with revoked privileges, you should be charged.

Because the role of alcohol in a violent incident is exactly the same as that of a gun in a violent incident.

Of course not. The role of alcohol in a violent incident is much more prevalent than the use of a gun in a violent incident.


*facepalm*

I need a drink.
 
2014-06-27 12:01:47 PM  

thefatbasturd: TuteTibiImperes: moeburn:

But again, if I had to go to the states, a handgun would be the first thing on my list of necessities, because you're all farking nuts and I don't trust any of you.

Unfortunately that thought process is what's responsible for the sky-high rates of gun violence in the US.  The data is pretty clear that nations with more gun restrictions, less access to guns, and fewer guns on the streets have much lower rates of gun violence.  The US leads the developed world in both firearms per capita and gun deaths per capita.  Looking at the data compared to other developed nations the relationship is almost linear - we have about twice as many guns per capita as Switzerland, and a little over twice as many gun deaths per capita.  We have a little over 3x the guns per capita of France, and about 3x the per capita gun deaths.

The solution is so blindingly obvious that someone has to be monumentally thick not to get it - reduce the number of guns, and we'll reduce the number of gun deaths.

Most people have no problem taking guns from criminals, but they cling to their own vociferously.  They don't seem to get the connection that to make the entire country a safer place that they need to be willing to let their guns go.

You don't need a handgun in the US, you really don't need any gun, but I'd be willing to make exceptions for basic rifles and shotguns for hui hunters and those that choose to live out in the boonies where wild animal attacks could be an issue.  I've lived my entire life without owning a gun, and I've never been in a position where I've wished I had one.  Of my circle of friends none own guns, and none have ever needed one.

We can solve the problem, we just need to admit to ourselves that the world isn't such a scary place and that there's no reason for most of us to have guns.

You tell me how you plan to use a law/laws to take the guns from the criminals who by definition have no broblem ignoring laws and maybe we'll talk.


Would you legalize murder?
 
2014-06-27 12:03:34 PM  

moeburn: thefatbasturd: TuteTibiImperes: moeburn:

But again, if I had to go to the states, a handgun would be the first thing on my list of necessities, because you're all farking nuts and I don't trust any of you.

Unfortunately that thought process is what's responsible for the sky-high rates of gun violence in the US.  The data is pretty clear that nations with more gun restrictions, less access to guns, and fewer guns on the streets have much lower rates of gun violence.  The US leads the developed world in both firearms per capita and gun deaths per capita.  Looking at the data compared to other developed nations the relationship is almost linear - we have about twice as many guns per capita as Switzerland, and a little over twice as many gun deaths per capita.  We have a little over 3x the guns per capita of France, and about 3x the per capita gun deaths.

The solution is so blindingly obvious that someone has to be monumentally thick not to get it - reduce the number of guns, and we'll reduce the number of gun deaths.

Most people have no problem taking guns from criminals, but they cling to their own vociferously.  They don't seem to get the connection that to make the entire country a safer place that they need to be willing to let their guns go.

You don't need a handgun in the US, you really don't need any gun, but I'd be willing to make exceptions for basic rifles and shotguns for hui hunters and those that choose to live out in the boonies where wild animal attacks could be an issue.  I've lived my entire life without owning a gun, and I've never been in a position where I've wished I had one.  Of my circle of friends none own guns, and none have ever needed one.

We can solve the problem, we just need to admit to ourselves that the world isn't such a scary place and that there's no reason for most of us to have guns.

You tell me how you plan to use a law/laws to take the guns from the criminals who by definition have no broblem ignoring laws and maybe we'll talk.

Would you legalize murder?


What the FARK are you on about?
 
2014-06-27 12:04:50 PM  

thefatbasturd: pueblonative: thefatbasturd: TuteTibiImperes: moeburn:

But again, if I had to go to the states, a handgun would be the first thing on my list of necessities, because you're all farking nuts and I don't trust any of you.

Unfortunately that thought process is what's responsible for the sky-high rates of gun violence in the US.  The data is pretty clear that nations with more gun restrictions, less access to guns, and fewer guns on the streets have much lower rates of gun violence.  The US leads the developed world in both firearms per capita and gun deaths per capita.  Looking at the data compared to other developed nations the relationship is almost linear - we have about twice as many guns per capita as Switzerland, and a little over twice as many gun deaths per capita.  We have a little over 3x the guns per capita of France, and about 3x the per capita gun deaths.

The solution is so blindingly obvious that someone has to be monumentally thick not to get it - reduce the number of guns, and we'll reduce the number of gun deaths.

Most people have no problem taking guns from criminals, but they cling to their own vociferously.  They don't seem to get the connection that to make the entire country a safer place that they need to be willing to let their guns go.

You don't need a handgun in the US, you really don't need any gun, but I'd be willing to make exceptions for basic rifles and shotguns for hui hunters and those that choose to live out in the boonies where wild animal attacks could be an issue.  I've lived my entire life without owning a gun, and I've never been in a position where I've wished I had one.  Of my circle of friends none own guns, and none have ever needed one.

We can solve the problem, we just need to admit to ourselves that the world isn't such a scary place and that there's no reason for most of us to have guns.

You tell me how you plan to use a law/laws to take the guns from the criminals who by definition have no broblem ignoring laws and maybe we'll talk.

So why have laws?

No. Why make NEW laws that won't work any better than the ones we have instead of just fixing the ones already in place?


Uh because society changes over time and laws have to adjust to those changes and changing old laws by definition creates new laws. Oh and the side screaming enforce the old laws has spent the last two decades undermining those laws in the first place.
 
2014-06-27 12:05:45 PM  

pueblonative: Lenny_da_Hog: I think it's safe to say that there are many more incidences of domestic violence involving alcohol than involving guns, even if you were to eliminate the ones that involve both guns and alcohol.

if it's safe I shouldn't have to go far on the internet to find evidence.  Oh, here I go:

Women face immense danger from guns in the hands of their intimate partners. From 1990-1999, 63% of the female homicides by intimate partners involved guns.1 Having one or more guns in the home make a woman 7.2 times more likely to be murdered by her intimate partner.2 According to a study of crime data from 1976-1987, more women were shot and killed by a husband or intimate acquaintance than were murdered by strangers using firearms, knives, or any other means.3


So, don't know exactly about the incident, but I do know that a gun increases the chances of that swollen eye being exchanged for rigor mortis.


Correlation does not equal causation. God damn arm chair scientists.

Is it possible an aggressive personality type is more likely to carry dangerous weapons and abuse their spouse?
 
2014-06-27 12:12:02 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: mod3072: TuteTibiImperes: I don't have to worry about a guy on the street trying to rob me with a bottle of schnapps.  If a kid finds his dad case of Coors he isn't going to kill himself or his friend with it.  A maniac can't use a fifth of rum to kill dozens of unsuspecting people.

Exactly! Alcohol ONLY hurts the people who use it and has no effect whatsoever on family members and/or complete strangers. Well, unless those people drink that booze and then climb behind the wheel of their SUV and mow down your entire family as you walk down the street. Or, I suppose, if they get drunk and violent and stab you in the face for eyeballin' their woman. Or if your parent/spouse/whoever likes to get hammered and then use you as a punching bag. Other than that though, alcohol abuse is pretty much victimless, unlike those scary guns that constantly thirst for the blood of the innocent.

Assault is illegal even if you aren't under the influence of alcohol.  Drunk driving is alcohol related, sure, but it's also illegal, and the police can legally set up checkpoints to check for drunk drivers, or pull people over if they suspect they are driving drunk.

The closest gun equivalent to drunk driving would be concealed and open carry.  It takes the risk of gun ownership and brings it into the public, just like drunk driving takes the risk of alcohol consumption and brings it into the public.  The big difference is that we believe people have the constitutional right to carry guns around.  The police can't set up checkpoints to see if people are carrying legally or illegally, and they can't pull people over based on the suspicious of a gun in the vehicle.

Outlawing something doesn't make it go away, but we as a country are pretty damn harsh on drunk drivers.


As a country we're also pretty harsh on murdering someone with a firearm (among other things).  Okay, now your turn.
 
2014-06-27 12:13:09 PM  

thefatbasturd: TuteTibiImperes: moeburn:

But again, if I had to go to the states, a handgun would be the first thing on my list of necessities, because you're all farking nuts and I don't trust any of you.

Unfortunately that thought process is what's responsible for the sky-high rates of gun violence in the US.  The data is pretty clear that nations with more gun restrictions, less access to guns, and fewer guns on the streets have much lower rates of gun violence.  The US leads the developed world in both firearms per capita and gun deaths per capita.  Looking at the data compared to other developed nations the relationship is almost linear - we have about twice as many guns per capita as Switzerland, and a little over twice as many gun deaths per capita.  We have a little over 3x the guns per capita of France, and about 3x the per capita gun deaths.

The solution is so blindingly obvious that someone has to be monumentally thick not to get it - reduce the number of guns, and we'll reduce the number of gun deaths.

Most people have no problem taking guns from criminals, but they cling to their own vociferously.  They don't seem to get the connection that to make the entire country a safer place that they need to be willing to let their guns go.

You don't need a handgun in the US, you really don't need any gun, but I'd be willing to make exceptions for basic rifles and shotguns for hui hunters and those that choose to live out in the boonies where wild animal attacks could be an issue.  I've lived my entire life without owning a gun, and I've never been in a position where I've wished I had one.  Of my circle of friends none own guns, and none have ever needed one.

We can solve the problem, we just need to admit to ourselves that the world isn't such a scary place and that there's no reason for most of us to have guns.

You tell me how you plan to use a law/laws to take the guns from the criminals who by definition have no broblem ignoring laws and maybe we'll talk.


Turn off the gushing fountain of guns and eventually the supply of illicit guns will dry up. That means that hand guns, assault weapons, and most gun shops need to go.  It means that law abiding citizens will have to turn in most of their weapons as well (I'd support reimbursement for fair market value).

When the guns have been greatly reduced the guns criminals use will be taken away when they're found.  Over time the criminals' guns will be almost entirely taken away, and with the supply of guns in general greatly constricted they won't be able to easily replace them.
 
2014-06-27 12:15:00 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Giltric: TuteTibiImperes: Assault is illegal even if you aren't under the influence of alcohol.

TuteTibiImperes: mod3072: TuteTibiImperes: I don't have to worry about a guy on the street trying to rob me with a bottle of schnapps.  If a kid finds his dad case of Coors he isn't going to kill himself or his friend with it.  A maniac can't use a fifth of rum to kill dozens of unsuspecting people.

Exactly! Alcohol ONLY hurts the people who use it and has no effect whatsoever on family members and/or complete strangers. Well, unless those people drink that booze and then climb behind the wheel of their SUV and mow down your entire family as you walk down the street. Or, I suppose, if they get drunk and violent and stab you in the face for eyeballin' their woman. Or if your parent/spouse/whoever likes to get hammered and then use you as a punching bag. Other than that though, alcohol abuse is pretty much victimless, unlike those scary guns that constantly thirst for the blood of the innocent.

Assault is illegal even if you aren't under the influence of alcohol.  Drunk driving is alcohol related, sure, but it's also illegal, and the police can legally set up checkpoints to check for drunk drivers, or pull people over if they suspect they are driving drunk.

The closest gun equivalent to drunk driving would be concealed and open carry.  It takes the risk of gun ownership and brings it into the public, just like drunk driving takes the risk of alcohol consumption and brings it into the public.  The big difference is that we believe people have the constitutional right to carry guns around.  The police can't set up checkpoints to see if people are carrying legally or illegally, and they can't pull people over based on the suspicious of a gun in the vehicle.

Outlawing something doesn't make it go away, but we as a country are pretty damn harsh on drunk drivers.

Checkpoints are illegal in a dozen states or so as per state law or interpretation of state constitution.

Shoot ...


Very few places have laws against carrying alcohol in public either.  (Closed, not open).  A firearm in a holster is the equivalent in your argument to an unopened bottle of Jack Daniels.
 
2014-06-27 12:17:22 PM  

pueblonative: No, you're worried about somebody coming to take your toy, even when nobody in their right mind in this country has seriously proposed anything of the sort.


No I am not, but I am starting to figure out how you argue things.  Take a point and rebut it with something that has absolutely nothing to do with the original point.

It is no wonder why the gun grabbers have failed at pretty much every attempt they have undertaken in the last few decades.  If you are going to change this, starting to be intellectually honest about the issue will be the first step.  If you cannot lift yourself to some basic level of integrity regarding this issue, then I guess you just need to be content in your failures.

It is your choice.
 
2014-06-27 12:19:22 PM  

thefatbasturd: stan unusual: Let's have the discussion when distillers start optimizing their product for its lethality or its knock down power and sell it to us as a means of defending our homes against the government's "jack booted thugs" or home invaders.  Until then, just STFU.

Or, you know, optimizing their product to make you farked up stupid and a danger to others all the while selling it to us as a refreshing way to relax.


Alcohol doesn't just jump in  your mouth- it's an inanimate object. Don't blame the alcohol, blame the alcoholic.  It's not alcohol that's the problem, it's mentally ill people with alcohol that are the problem.  Regulations on alcohol violate my Twenty-first Amendment rights.  Liquor licenses are the first step towards prohibition. Obama is coming for your alcohol.  Everclear- get your man card back. When Alcohol is outlawed only outlaws will have alcohol.

One shot of alcohol won't  kill you, but one shot from a gun can.  No one formulates their alcoholic beverage with an eye to insuring it will kill you or anyone else.  Get it now?
 
2014-06-27 12:19:53 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Turn off the gushing fountain of guns and eventually the supply of illicit guns will dry up.


Better repeal the Second Amendment first.  Good luck with that.
 
2014-06-27 12:22:27 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: thefatbasturd: TuteTibiImperes: moeburn:

But again, if I had to go to the states, a handgun would be the first thing on my list of necessities, because you're all farking nuts and I don't trust any of you.

Unfortunately that thought process is what's responsible for the sky-high rates of gun violence in the US.  The data is pretty clear that nations with more gun restrictions, less access to guns, and fewer guns on the streets have much lower rates of gun violence.  The US leads the developed world in both firearms per capita and gun deaths per capita.  Looking at the data compared to other developed nations the relationship is almost linear - we have about twice as many guns per capita as Switzerland, and a little over twice as many gun deaths per capita.  We have a little over 3x the guns per capita of France, and about 3x the per capita gun deaths.

The solution is so blindingly obvious that someone has to be monumentally thick not to get it - reduce the number of guns, and we'll reduce the number of gun deaths.

Most people have no problem taking guns from criminals, but they cling to their own vociferously.  They don't seem to get the connection that to make the entire country a safer place that they need to be willing to let their guns go.

You don't need a handgun in the US, you really don't need any gun, but I'd be willing to make exceptions for basic rifles and shotguns for hui hunters and those that choose to live out in the boonies where wild animal attacks could be an issue.  I've lived my entire life without owning a gun, and I've never been in a position where I've wished I had one.  Of my circle of friends none own guns, and none have ever needed one.

We can solve the problem, we just need to admit to ourselves that the world isn't such a scary place and that there's no reason for most of us to have guns.

You tell me how you plan to use a law/laws to take the guns from the criminals who by definition have no broblem ignoring laws and maybe we'll t ...


LOL.  Enjoy a huge black market and trying to un-invent something that can be made in a machine shop.  What was one of the arguments for ending prohibition on alcohol and more recently weed?

\"Gushing fountain of guns" phhh
\\ tell me what the fair market value would be...remember as supply decreases, demand (and value) increases, so the last gun in civilan hands would be worth MILLIONS, unless the government just gets to set the value for something they've just made illegal, in which case the value would be set at $0, that's called confiscation
 
2014-06-27 12:22:42 PM  

stan unusual: Get it now?


That you are good at false equivalencies?  Yep.  Clear as Everclear (before you slam it).
 
2014-06-27 12:26:42 PM  

stan unusual: No one formulates their alcoholic beverage with an eye to insuring it will kill you or anyone else.  Get it now?


Power companies don't burn coal with an eye to ensuring an increase in greenhouse gases, so it's okay that the ice caps are melting.
 
2014-06-27 12:29:29 PM  

stan unusual: thefatbasturd: stan unusual: Let's have the discussion when distillers start optimizing their product for its lethality or its knock down power and sell it to us as a means of defending our homes against the government's "jack booted thugs" or home invaders.  Until then, just STFU.

Or, you know, optimizing their product to make you farked up stupid and a danger to others all the while selling it to us as a refreshing way to relax.

Alcohol doesn't just jump in  your mouth- it's an inanimate object. Don't blame the alcohol gun, blame the alcoholic shooter.  It's not alcohol gun that's the problem, it's mentally ill people with alcohol that are the problem.  Regulations on alcohol violate my Twenty-first Amendment rights.  Liquor licenses are the first step towards prohibition. Obama is coming for your alcohol.  Everclear- get your man card back. When Alcohol is outlawed only outlaws will have alcohol.

One shot of alcohol won't  kill you, but one shot from a gun can.  No one formulates their alcoholic beverage with an eye to insuring it will kill you or anyone else.  Get it now?


Welcome to the gun rights side.  Get it now?

\21st Amendment has nothing to do with you having a right to drink or even purchase alcohol.
 
2014-06-27 12:30:49 PM  

John Buck 41: Is this a gun thread? A booze thread? Both? Cool!


BATF: my kind of store!
(especially when the 'B' stands for Bewbies!)
 
2014-06-27 12:33:42 PM  

HeadLever: TuteTibiImperes: Turn off the gushing fountain of guns and eventually the supply of illicit guns will dry up.

Better repeal the Second Amendment first.  Good luck with that.


Gun nuts are making that easier and easier.
 
2014-06-27 12:44:59 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: pueblonative: I even hear that there is this new type of weapon. One that can project these hard metel objects called bullets. You don't think that will catch on, do you? Oh shiat i think I need another trip to the store.

I wonder why the gun stores don't have intimidating bouncers at the door, but alcohol establishments regularly employ them.

It's almost as if the people who sell booze associate it with violence and have to be prepared for it.


Never been to a pawn brokerage have you?
 
2014-06-27 12:50:07 PM  

pueblonative: Gun nuts are making that easier and easier.


You say that, but what was you latest successful gun control legislation on the federal level?  From the sound of your post, you should be passing legislation right an left. I'll be waiting right here for your response.
 
2014-06-27 12:52:37 PM  

HeadLever: stan unusual: Get it now?

That you are good at false equivalencies?  Yep.  Clear as Everclear (before you slam it).


All the false equivalences were NRA slogans with alcohol substituted for guns.  That you cannot admit the logically fallacies involved speaks volumes.
 
2014-06-27 12:53:08 PM  

HeadLever: pueblonative: Gun nuts are making that easier and easier.

You say that, but what was you latest successful gun control legislation on the federal level?  From the sound of your post, you should be passing legislation right an left. I'll be waiting right here for your response.


You mean moderated legislation that seeks to stem bad actors and make the industry more accountable as to a full on gun ban because the other side keeps refusing to compromise?  I wish I was.  And with the way you keep throwing temper tantrums, it's a matter of time before you wish you were too.
 
2014-06-27 12:57:02 PM  

deadlyplatypus: stan unusual: thefatbasturd: stan unusual: Let's have the discussion when distillers start optimizing their product for its lethality or its knock down power and sell it to us as a means of defending our homes against the government's "jack booted thugs" or home invaders.  Until then, just STFU.

Or, you know, optimizing their product to make you farked up stupid and a danger to others all the while selling it to us as a refreshing way to relax.

Alcohol doesn't just jump in  your mouth- it's an inanimate object. Don't blame the alcohol gun, blame the alcoholic shooter.  It's not alcohol gun that's the problem, it's mentally ill people with alcohol that are the problem.  Regulations on alcohol violate my Twenty-first Amendment rights.  Liquor licenses are the first step towards prohibition. Obama is coming for your alcohol.  Everclear- get your man card back. When Alcohol is outlawed only outlaws will have alcohol.

One shot of alcohol won't  kill you, but one shot from a gun can.  No one formulates their alcoholic beverage with an eye to insuring it will kill you or anyone else.  Get it now?

Welcome to the gun rights side.  Get it now?

\21st Amendment has nothing to do with you having a right to drink or even purchase alcohol.


You're a farking moron.  Everyone of those statements is false but when we substitute gun for alcohol in your little mind they magically become true and I've come over to the gun rights side. The Second Amendment has nothing to do with concealed weapons.  Psychiatrists have a name for your sort of thinking- they call it delusional.
 
2014-06-27 12:59:03 PM  

stan unusual: All the false equivalences were NRA slogans with alcohol substituted for guns


Since alcohol and guns have vastly different uses and characteristics, there is an inherent incongruence in trying to equate the two.  Hence - false equivalence.

That you cannot admit the logically fallacies involved speaks volumes.

If you want to speak to the logical fallacy of the NRA slogans, then you should refrain from using fallacies of your own. If you can do that, then you may actually sway someone that approaches such things in an intellectually honest fashion.
 
2014-06-27 01:00:08 PM  

stan unusual: deadlyplatypus: stan unusual: thefatbasturd: stan unusual: Let's have the discussion when distillers start optimizing their product for its lethality or its knock down power and sell it to us as a means of defending our homes against the government's "jack booted thugs" or home invaders.  Until then, just STFU.

Or, you know, optimizing their product to make you farked up stupid and a danger to others all the while selling it to us as a refreshing way to relax.

Alcohol doesn't just jump in  your mouth- it's an inanimate object. Don't blame the alcohol gun, blame the alcoholic shooter.  It's not alcohol gun that's the problem, it's mentally ill people with alcohol that are the problem.  Regulations on alcohol violate my Twenty-first Amendment rights.  Liquor licenses are the first step towards prohibition. Obama is coming for your alcohol.  Everclear- get your man card back. When Alcohol is outlawed only outlaws will have alcohol.

One shot of alcohol won't  kill you, but one shot from a gun can.  No one formulates their alcoholic beverage with an eye to insuring it will kill you or anyone else.  Get it now?

Welcome to the gun rights side.  Get it now?

\21st Amendment has nothing to do with you having a right to drink or even purchase alcohol.

You're a farking moron.  Everyone of those statements is false but when we substitute gun for alcohol in your little mind they magically become true and I've come over to the gun rights side. The Second Amendment has nothing to do with concealed weapons.  Psychiatrists have a name for your sort of thinking- they call it delusional.


I'lll make you a bet- you put your gun in your mouth and take a shot. I'll put a shot f alcohol in my mouth for each one.  The winner is the last one alive.
 
2014-06-27 01:02:43 PM  

HeadLever: stan unusual: All the false equivalences were NRA slogans with alcohol substituted for guns

Since alcohol and guns have vastly different uses and characteristics, there is an inherent incongruence in trying to equate the two.  Hence - false equivalence.

That you cannot admit the logically fallacies involved speaks volumes.

If you want to speak to the logical fallacy of the NRA slogans, then you should refrain from using fallacies of your own. If you can do that, then you may actually sway someone that approaches such things in an intellectually honest fashion.


You are welcome to take the bet I proposed to deadplatypus.
 
2014-06-27 01:04:47 PM  

pueblonative: You mean moderated legislation that seeks to stem bad actors and make the industry more accountable as to a full on gun ban because the other side keeps refusing to compromise?


But you said this was getting easier and easier. Where are the results from 'us' making this easy for 'you'. Or are you lying about something? Again, you did not answer my question.  I'll post it again, in case you mis-read it the first time -what was you latest successful gun control legislation on the federal level?

It's a simple question.  Let's see if you have the intellectual honesty to directly answer.

I wish I was.

You wish you were what?
 
2014-06-27 01:07:05 PM  

stan unusual: You are welcome to take the bet I proposed to deadplatypus


Sure, I'll use this one.

www.goldenideal.com
 
2014-06-27 01:09:40 PM  

HeadLever: stan unusual: You are welcome to take the bet I proposed to deadplatypus

Sure, I'll use this one.

[www.goldenideal.com image 850x732]


That's not a gun.  Let me laugh harder.
 
2014-06-27 01:12:26 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: thefatbasturd: TuteTibiImperes: moeburn:

But again, if I had to go to the states, a handgun would be the first thing on my list of necessities, because you're all farking nuts and I don't trust any of you.

Unfortunately that thought process is what's responsible for the sky-high rates of gun violence in the US.  The data is pretty clear that nations with more gun restrictions, less access to guns, and fewer guns on the streets have much lower rates of gun violence.  The US leads the developed world in both firearms per capita and gun deaths per capita.  Looking at the data compared to other developed nations the relationship is almost linear - we have about twice as many guns per capita as Switzerland, and a little over twice as many gun deaths per capita.  We have a little over 3x the guns per capita of France, and about 3x the per capita gun deaths.

The solution is so blindingly obvious that someone has to be monumentally thick not to get it - reduce the number of guns, and we'll reduce the number of gun deaths.

Most people have no problem taking guns from criminals, but they cling to their own vociferously.  They don't seem to get the connection that to make the entire country a safer place that they need to be willing to let their guns go.

You don't need a handgun in the US, you really don't need any gun, but I'd be willing to make exceptions for basic rifles and shotguns for hui hunters and those that choose to live out in the boonies where wild animal attacks could be an issue.  I've lived my entire life without owning a gun, and I've never been in a position where I've wished I had one.  Of my circle of friends none own guns, and none have ever needed one.

We can solve the problem, we just need to admit to ourselves that the world isn't such a scary place and that there's no reason for most of us to have guns.

You tell me how you plan to use a law/laws to take the guns from the criminals who by definition have no broblem ignoring laws and maybe we'll talk.

Turn off the gushing fountain of guns and eventually the supply of illicit guns will dry up. That means that hand guns, assault weapons, and most gun shops need to go.  It means that law abiding citizens will have to turn in most of their weapons as well (I'd support reimbursement for fair market value).

When the guns have been greatly reduced the guns criminals use will be taken away when they're found.  Over time the criminals' guns will be almost entirely taken away, and with the supply of guns in general greatly constricted they won't be able to easily replace them.


So we just disarm the millions of responsible gun owners for YEARS while letting the small minority of peoe who an to use guns AGAINST them stay fully armed? BRILLIANT!!!!!! I am all for it...
 
2014-06-27 01:13:06 PM  

stan unusual: That's not a gun.


Darn, you noticed.
 
2014-06-27 01:15:19 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: I don't have to worry about a guy on the street trying to rob me with a bottle of schnapps.  If a kid finds his dad case of Coors he isn't going to kill himself or his friend with it.  A maniac can't use a fifth of rum to kill dozens of unsuspecting people.


Unless of course he gets behind the wheel of a car. Which happens to be one the main contributors to road way fatalities. Which also dwarf the number of people killed by guns.
 
2014-06-27 01:16:08 PM  

stan unusual: thefatbasturd: stan unusual: Let's have the discussion when distillers start optimizing their product for its lethality or its knock down power and sell it to us as a means of defending our homes against the government's "jack booted thugs" or home invaders.  Until then, just STFU.

Or, you know, optimizing their product to make you farked up stupid and a danger to others all the while selling it to us as a refreshing way to relax.

Alcohol doesn't just jump in  your mouth- it's an inanimate object. Don't blame the alcohol, blame the alcoholic.  It's not alcohol that's the problem, it's mentally ill people with alcohol that are the problem.  Regulations on alcohol violate my Twenty-first Amendment rights.  Liquor licenses are the first step towards prohibition. Obama is coming for your alcohol.  Everclear- get your man card back. When Alcohol is outlawed only outlaws will have alcohol.

One shot of alcohol won't  kill you, but one shot from a gun can.  No one formulates their alcoholic beverage with an eye to insuring it will kill you or anyone else.  Get it now?


Oh I get it. But hey DO formulate it to make it much more tempting to do one MORE... then one more... and so on until you are farked up beyond reason and a danger to yourself and others. GET IT NOW?
 
2014-06-27 01:18:28 PM  

stan unusual: deadlyplatypus: stan unusual: thefatbasturd: stan unusual: Let's have the discussion when distillers start optimizing their product for its lethality or its knock down power and sell it to us as a means of defending our homes against the government's "jack booted thugs" or home invaders.  Until then, just STFU.

Or, you know, optimizing their product to make you farked up stupid and a danger to others all the while selling it to us as a refreshing way to relax.

Alcohol doesn't just jump in  your mouth- it's an inanimate object. Don't blame the alcohol gun, blame the alcoholic shooter.  It's not alcohol gun that's the problem, it's mentally ill people with alcohol that are the problem.  Regulations on alcohol violate my Twenty-first Amendment rights.  Liquor licenses are the first step towards prohibition. Obama is coming for your alcohol.  Everclear- get your man card back. When Alcohol is outlawed only outlaws will have alcohol.

One shot of alcohol won't  kill you, but one shot from a gun can.  No one formulates their alcoholic beverage with an eye to insuring it will kill you or anyone else.  Get it now?

Welcome to the gun rights side.  Get it now?

\21st Amendment has nothing to do with you having a right to drink or even purchase alcohol.

You're a farking moron.  Everyone of those statements is false but when we substitute gun for alcohol in your little mind they magically become true and I've come over to the gun rights side. The Second Amendment has nothing to do with concealed weapons.  Psychiatrists have a name for your sort of thinking- they call it delusional.


easy there killer.  You honestly believe the the gun/alcohol/car decides to kill people and then makes it happen?  Talk about delusional.  You assign human qualities and intent to things that CAN'T think.  You're wrong, the 2nd Amendment covers bearing arms in ANY capacity, unless you can show how it DOESN'T also apply to concealed weapons.

\your delusions are ABSOLUTELY proven by you claiming the bolded statement is false.

\\ explain how alcohol is an animate object.

\\\ won't resort to calling names like you....get it together man
 
2014-06-27 01:24:10 PM  

deadlyplatypus: stan unusual: thefatbasturd: stan unusual: Let's have the discussion when distillers start optimizing their product for its lethality or its knock down power and sell it to us as a means of defending our homes against the government's "jack booted thugs" or home invaders.  Until then, just STFU.

Or, you know, optimizing their product to make you farked up stupid and a danger to others all the while selling it to us as a refreshing way to relax.

Alcohol doesn't just jump in  your mouth- it's an inanimate object. Don't blame the alcohol gun, blame the alcoholic shooter.  It's not alcohol gun that's the problem, it's mentally ill people with alcohol that are the problem.  Regulations on alcohol violate my Twenty-first Amendment rights.  Liquor licenses are the first step towards prohibition. Obama is coming for your alcohol.  Everclear- get your man card back. When Alcohol is outlawed only outlaws will have alcohol.

One shot of alcohol won't  kill you, but one shot from a gun can.  No one formulates their alcoholic beverage with an eye to insuring it will kill you or anyone else.  Get it now?

Welcome to the gun rights side.  Get it now?

\21st Amendment has nothing to do with you having a right to drink or even purchase alcohol.


Exactly. Prohibition and the repeal of it had NOTHING to do with you using alcohol. It prohibited the manufacture and importof alcohol.
 
2014-06-27 01:31:00 PM  

deadlyplatypus: stan unusual: deadlyplatypus: stan unusual: thefatbasturd: stan unusual: Let's have the discussion when distillers start optimizing their product for its lethality or its knock down power and sell it to us as a means of defending our homes against the government's "jack booted thugs" or home invaders.  Until then, just STFU.

Or, you know, optimizing their product to make you farked up stupid and a danger to others all the while selling it to us as a refreshing way to relax.

Alcohol doesn't just jump in  your mouth- it's an inanimate object. Don't blame the alcohol gun, blame the alcoholic shooter.  It's not alcohol gun that's the problem, it's mentally ill people with alcohol that are the problem.  Regulations on alcohol violate my Twenty-first Amendment rights.  Liquor licenses are the first step towards prohibition. Obama is coming for your alcohol.  Everclear- get your man card back. When Alcohol is outlawed only outlaws will have alcohol.

One shot of alcohol won't  kill you, but one shot from a gun can.  No one formulates their alcoholic beverage with an eye to insuring it will kill you or anyone else.  Get it now?

Welcome to the gun rights side.  Get it now?

\21st Amendment has nothing to do with you having a right to drink or even purchase alcohol.

You're a farking moron.  Everyone of those statements is false but when we substitute gun for alcohol in your little mind they magically become true and I've come over to the gun rights side. The Second Amendment has nothing to do with concealed weapons.  Psychiatrists have a name for your sort of thinking- they call it delusional.

easy there killer.  You honestly believe the the gun/alcohol/car decides to kill people and then makes it happen?  Talk about delusional.  You assign human qualities and intent to things that CAN'T think.  You're wrong, the 2nd Amendment covers bearing arms in ANY capacity, unless you can show how it DOESN'T also apply to concealed weapons.

\your delusions are ABSOLUTELY proven by ...


You read Swift's  A Modest Proposal as a culinary treatise, didn't you?
 
2014-06-27 01:34:40 PM  

thefatbasturd: deadlyplatypus: stan unusual: thefatbasturd: stan unusual: Let's have the discussion when distillers start optimizing their product for its lethality or its knock down power and sell it to us as a means of defending our homes against the government's "jack booted thugs" or home invaders.  Until then, just STFU.

Or, you know, optimizing their product to make you farked up stupid and a danger to others all the while selling it to us as a refreshing way to relax.

Alcohol doesn't just jump in  your mouth- it's an inanimate object. Don't blame the alcohol gun, blame the alcoholic shooter.  It's not alcohol gun that's the problem, it's mentally ill people with alcohol that are the problem.  Regulations on alcohol violate my Twenty-first Amendment rights.  Liquor licenses are the first step towards prohibition. Obama is coming for your alcohol.  Everclear- get your man card back. When Alcohol is outlawed only outlaws will have alcohol.

One shot of alcohol won't  kill you, but one shot from a gun can.  No one formulates their alcoholic beverage with an eye to insuring it will kill you or anyone else.  Get it now?

Welcome to the gun rights side.  Get it now?

\21st Amendment has nothing to do with you having a right to drink or even purchase alcohol.

Exactly. Prohibition and the repeal of it had NOTHING to do with you using alcohol. It prohibited the manufacture and importof alcohol.


And the Second Amendment has nothing to do with banning concealed weapons, Nor does it ban regulation of gun sales or when and where you can possess a gun outside of your home according to DC v Heller.
 
2014-06-27 01:43:35 PM  

stan unusual: Nor does it ban regulation of gun sales or when and where you can possess a gun outside of your home according to DC v Heller.


Heller did not directly address possession of guns outside anything.  It only addressed the right as being an individual right with the standard notion that all rights are not absolute.  Per the decision, it is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose
 
2014-06-27 01:50:31 PM  

naughtyrev: From my cold, dead hands!


Done in 1.
 
2014-06-27 01:53:36 PM  

deadlyplatypus: stan unusual: deadlyplatypus: stan unusual: thefatbasturd: stan unusual: Let's have the discussion when distillers start optimizing their product for its lethality or its knock down power and sell it to us as a means of defending our homes against the government's "jack booted thugs" or home invaders.  Until then, just STFU.

Or, you know, optimizing their product to make you farked up stupid and a danger to others all the while selling it to us as a refreshing way to relax.

Alcohol doesn't just jump in  your mouth- it's an inanimate object. Don't blame the alcohol gun, blame the alcoholic shooter.  It's not alcohol gun that's the problem, it's mentally ill people with alcohol that are the problem.  Regulations on alcohol violate my Twenty-first Amendment rights.  Liquor licenses are the first step towards prohibition. Obama is coming for your alcohol.  Everclear- get your man card back. When Alcohol is outlawed only outlaws will have alcohol.

One shot of alcohol won't  kill you, but one shot from a gun can.  No one formulates their alcoholic beverage with an eye to insuring it will kill you or anyone else.  Get it now?

Welcome to the gun rights side.  Get it now?

\21st Amendment has nothing to do with you having a right to drink or even purchase alcohol.

You're a farking moron.  Everyone of those statements is false but when we substitute gun for alcohol in your little mind they magically become true and I've come over to the gun rights side. The Second Amendment has nothing to do with concealed weapons.  Psychiatrists have a name for your sort of thinking- they call it delusional.

easy there killer.  You honestly believe the the gun/alcohol/car decides to kill people and then makes it happen?  Talk about delusional.  You assign human qualities and intent to things that CAN'T think.  You're wrong, the 2nd Amendment covers bearing arms in ANY capacity, unless you can show how it DOESN'T also apply to concealed weapons.

\your delusions are ABSOLUTELY proven by ...


1. You miss the point regarding the problems that inanimate objects can pose and the need for regulation of them. It is a non-sequitur to claim that such regulations are dependent on assigning human qualities to them.  You
2. Concealed firearms aren't protected by the Second Amendment: Like most rights, the rights secured by the Second Amendment are not unlimited. From Blackstone through the 19th-century cases, commentators and courts routinely explained that the right was not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose.  For example, the majority of the 19th-century courts to consider the question held that prohibitions on carrying concealed weapons were lawful under the Second Amendment or state analogues. Although we do not undertake an exhaustive historical analysis today of the full scope of the  Second Amendment nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008) You can whine all you want, but the scope of the Second Amendment is defined by SCOTUS, not the NRA, GOA or anyone else.  When I was in law school, the accepted scope of the Second Amendment was that expressed by Justice Stevens in his dissent in Heller which I found convincing. The majority opinion written by Justice Scalia changed that and despite the fact that I don't find his argument convincing, it is the law and defines the scope of the Second Amendment and I must accept it as such.  You, the NRA and the GOA can't point to Constitutional law as requiring their desired policies and at the same time reject the legitimacy of SCOTUS rulings on the Second Amendment without being hypocrites.
 
2014-06-27 01:57:18 PM  

HeadLever: stan unusual: Nor does it ban regulation of gun sales or when and where you can possess a gun outside of your home according to DC v Heller.

Heller did not directly address possession of guns outside anything.  It only addressed the right as being an individual right with the standard notion that all rights are not absolute.  Per the decision, it is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose


DC v Heller addressed only the possession of handguns inside the home under DC regulations requiring registration and trigger locks.  Registration wasn't struck down, only the trigger lock requirement and the ban on possessing operable registered weapons were.
 
2014-06-27 02:07:03 PM  

stan unusual: Registration wasn't struck down.


Registration was more dealt with on the McDonald case.
 
2014-06-27 02:43:51 PM  
Alcohol sucks. If there was any other legal self-medication I would do that instead.
 
2014-06-27 02:46:15 PM  
A few years back, my aunt (dad's side) died after having a few too many drinks at her birthday party and passing out on her back, on the bed. She suffocated on her own vomit.

My other aunt (dad's side) died after being killed by a drunk driver a year before that.

Two months ago, my uncle (mom's side) died of diabetic dehydration, caused by one too many whisky binges.

The number of family members killed by a gun: 0.
 
2014-06-27 03:09:57 PM  

Prophet of Loss: Good analogy! If only you gun nuts would "drink" yourselves to death rather than forcing your "liquor" into the brains of others.


If only you drunks would stop turning the highways into a bloodbath and causing 40% of all violent crimes maybe I would give a fark about what you have to say.
 
2014-06-27 03:20:48 PM  

stan unusual: HeadLever: stan unusual: You are welcome to take the bet I proposed to deadplatypus

Sure, I'll use this one.

[www.goldenideal.com image 850x732]

That's not a gun.  Let me laugh harder.


I'll take 30 shots with my pistol in 60 seconds. You take 30 shots of alcohol in 60 seconds.
 
2014-06-27 03:26:48 PM  

thefatbasturd: LazerFish: thefatbasturd: Yeah keep telling yourself and your brain dead friends that is the argument being made and you can ignore the actual FACTS that are really being pointed out to you.

Facts are great, but RELEVANT facts are what matter.

And the FACT that if your supposed goal is "preventing death", the numbers show that gun deaths are actually MUCH rarer than you try to make them out and that there are many things causing death at a MUCH higher rate you could spend your time working on is pretty relevant.


So,  since more people OD on pills than on heroin, heroin should be ignored?

You know people do work on those other problems too, right? The only reason the people who want gun control have to be so in-your-face is because the gun nuts are too. It's not "more guns all the time" vs "no guns ever", there is a lot of gray area between, you just never hear from those people.
 
2014-06-27 03:57:31 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: thefatbasturd: TuteTibiImperes: moeburn:

But again, if I had to go to the states, a handgun would be the first thing on my list of necessities, because you're all farking nuts and I don't trust any of you.

Unfortunately that thought process is what's responsible for the sky-high rates of gun violence in the US.  The data is pretty clear that nations with more gun restrictions, less access to guns, and fewer guns on the streets have much lower rates of gun violence.  The US leads the developed world in both firearms per capita and gun deaths per capita.  Looking at the data compared to other developed nations the relationship is almost linear - we have about twice as many guns per capita as Switzerland, and a little over twice as many gun deaths per capita.  We have a little over 3x the guns per capita of France, and about 3x the per capita gun deaths.

The solution is so blindingly obvious that someone has to be monumentally thick not to get it - reduce the number of guns, and we'll reduce the number of gun deaths.

Most people have no problem taking guns from criminals, but they cling to their own vociferously.  They don't seem to get the connection that to make the entire country a safer place that they need to be willing to let their guns go.

You don't need a handgun in the US, you really don't need any gun, but I'd be willing to make exceptions for basic rifles and shotguns for hui hunters and those that choose to live out in the boonies where wild animal attacks could be an issue.  I've lived my entire life without owning a gun, and I've never been in a position where I've wished I had one.  Of my circle of friends none own guns, and none have ever needed one.

We can solve the problem, we just need to admit to ourselves that the world isn't such a scary place and that there's no reason for most of us to have guns.

You tell me how you plan to use a law/laws to take the guns from the criminals who by definition have no broblem ignoring laws and maybe we'll talk.

Turn off the gushing fountain of guns and eventually the supply of illicit guns will dry up. That means that hand guns, assault weapons, and most gun shops need to go.  It means that law abiding citizens will have to turn in most of their weapons as well (I'd support reimbursement for fair market value).

When the guns have been greatly reduced the guns criminals use will be taken away when they're found.  Over time the criminals' guns will be almost entirely taken away, and with the supply of guns in general greatly constricted they won't be able to easily replace them.


Yes. We see how gun restrictions in mexico, chicago, d.c., etc have all dried up the supply of guns in those areas.
 
2014-06-27 03:58:06 PM  

LazerFish: thefatbasturd: LazerFish: thefatbasturd: Yeah keep telling yourself and your brain dead friends that is the argument being made and you can ignore the actual FACTS that are really being pointed out to you.

Facts are great, but RELEVANT facts are what matter.

And the FACT that if your supposed goal is "preventing death", the numbers show that gun deaths are actually MUCH rarer than you try to make them out and that there are many things causing death at a MUCH higher rate you could spend your time working on is pretty relevant.

So,  since more people OD on pills than on heroin, heroin should be ignored?

You know people do work on those other problems too, right? The only reason the people who want gun control have to be so in-your-face is because the gun nuts are too. It's not "more guns all the time" vs "no guns ever", there is a lot of gray area between, you just never hear from those people.


What utter horse shiat. Because gun owners are TOTALLY screaming "more guns all the time". Because gun OWNERS start the debate and not the gun control advocates screaming "more laws! More restrictions!" Sorry but that is just plain wrong. Gun control advocates started the fight, and I don't see how gun owners are wrong for saying "every time this comes up you guys claim you only want to change things a LITTLE bit, and then when it doesn't work, its a little bit more... a little bit more... a little bit more. So now we are saying 'enough'."
 
2014-06-27 04:35:34 PM  
www.harikari.com
 
2014-06-27 04:38:10 PM  
also, gun NUTS start the debate by shooting up an elementary school
 
2014-06-27 04:40:31 PM  
and yes, now i'm just trolling you
 
2014-06-27 05:40:13 PM  
90% of the world's problems are caused by alcohol and religion.
 
2014-06-27 06:08:38 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: I don't have to worry about a guy on the street trying to rob me with a bottle of schnapps.  If a kid finds his dad case of Coors he isn't going to kill himself or his friend with it.  A maniac can't use a fifth of rum to kill dozens of unsuspecting people.


I'd disagree with you on that last point, but that's in combination with driving drunk. And it's usually not intentional.
 
2014-06-27 06:17:30 PM  

pueblonative: Okay chucklefark. Enlighten us about the positives of killing a person. I'm sure you'll have no problems doing that.


Are you really that dumb? Or just a troll that won't quit? Just in case you're only dumb, and need teaching:

1) Guns can do more than kill people. Sometimes, simply having a gun can scare away those who would do you harm - even without killing anyone!!!!11!

2) Killing someone wishing to do me harm (and probably do the same to someone else tomorrow, and someone else the day after, and someone else the day after, etc) IS a good thing. One less Bad Guy(tm) in the world.
 
2014-06-27 06:28:02 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Turn off the gushing fountain of guns and eventually the supply of illicit guns will dry up. That means that hand guns, assault weapons, and most gun shops need to go. It means that law abiding citizens will have to turn in most of their weapons as well (I'd support reimbursement for fair market value).

When the guns have been greatly reduced the guns criminals use will be taken away when they're found. Over time the criminals' guns will be almost entirely taken away, and with the supply of guns in general greatly constricted they won't be able to easily replace them.



Um, we can't stop illegal immigrants from coming over the border as it is. If guns became rare, and thus valuable, What's to stop illegals from bringing over a backpack of guns when they come, and thus being able to fund themselves when they get here? Not to mention guns being brought in by organized crime, etc??

Prohibition. Does. Not. Work.
 
2014-06-27 06:30:54 PM  

Mr_Fabulous: Vodka. With a little fresh lime juice and San Pellegrino lemon soda. More refreshing than Sprite.



graphics.samsclub.com 

 
Al!
2014-06-27 06:33:14 PM  
The only think that'll stop a good guy with scotch is... Hey!  Wait a second!  The only think that'll stop a ... a ... The only thing that'll stip... oh bother.  The only thing that'll stop a good guy with a scotch is a bad g... The only thing that'll stop a bad guy with beer is me.  Barkeep!  One more!
 
2014-06-27 07:38:50 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: stan unusual: HeadLever: stan unusual: You are welcome to take the bet I proposed to deadplatypus

Sure, I'll use this one.

[www.goldenideal.com image 850x732]

That's not a gun.  Let me laugh harder.

I'll take 30 shots with my pistol in 60 seconds. You take 30 shots of alcohol in 60 seconds.


As long as your shots go into your mouth I won't have any worries about having to do more than 2 or three.  Might want to leave a number for me to contact your next of kin before you take that first one.
 
2014-06-27 07:43:42 PM  
Back to the point of the thread- I've been drinking some of this lately. Very interesting stuff that won a double gold at the San Francisco World Spirits competition:  www.thedrinksreport.com
 
2014-06-27 07:56:38 PM  

stan unusual: Lenny_da_Hog: stan unusual: HeadLever: stan unusual: You are welcome to take the bet I proposed to deadplatypus

Sure, I'll use this one.

[www.goldenideal.com image 850x732]

That's not a gun.  Let me laugh harder.

I'll take 30 shots with my pistol in 60 seconds. You take 30 shots of alcohol in 60 seconds.

As long as your shots go into your mouth I won't have any worries about having to do more than 2 or three.  Might want to leave a number for me to contact your next of kin before you take that first one.


That wouldn't happen unless I were drunk.
 
2014-06-27 08:59:19 PM  

thefatbasturd: So you agree that the answer is a better mental health system and NOT more gun laws? Cool!


As a general rule, proper mental health treatment would prevent just as many murders as gun control laws would.  But there is not any reason why would couldn't have decent mental heath coverage AND rational gun control laws.

I don't support gun confiscation because it would require Constitutional changes (and wouldn't work anyway), but it seems irrational to me that a private citizen with no dealer's license should be allowed to buy more than, say, 50 guns a year.  Is there any rational need for that?  Besides trafficking, I mean.
 
2014-06-27 09:07:00 PM  

Low Budget Dave: but it seems irrational to me that a private citizen with no dealer's license should be allowed to buy more than, say, 50 guns a year.


We don't limit the number of words that the press can use, do we?  Many times guns can be sound investments and this purchase may not be related to anything other than making money in the long term.

Now if you get into the realm of buying and selling on a regular basis, then the ATF may eventually want to know what you FFL number is.
 
2014-06-27 10:41:16 PM  

HeadLever: We don't limit the number of words that the press can use, do we?  Many times guns can be sound investments and this purchase may not be related to anything other than making money in the long term.


Statistically, about 20% of all the guns recovered at a crime scene were originally purchased in a multiple sale.  Collectors tend to buy one or two per month, while traffickers tend to buy one or two per week.  Guns sold in multiple sales are about 60% more likely to be used in a crime.

Virginia's one-gun-a-month law - which was in effect from 1993 to 2012 and prohibited the purchase of more than one handgun per person in any 30-day period - reduced the number of crime guns traced to Virginia dealers by about 70%.  Virginia initially adopted its law after the state became recognized as a primary source of crime guns recovered in states in the northeastern U.S.

Free speech is protected by the Constitution to keep the government from censoring the press.  Even so, there are limits.  Obscenity, fighting words, military secrets, there is actually a long list.

Gun nuts always repeat the same tired arguments that the 2nd Amendment gives them the right not only to own guns, but to do so in a manner that is completely unregulated and unlimited.  In fact, the second amendment does not protect the right to gun trafficking, or to any other activity that presents a clear and present danger to the lives of others.

Although the Supreme Court has held that the 2nd Amendment grants rights to individuals and not just militias (which seems to violate the stated intent), the SCOTUS has also held repeatedly that the right is not unlimited, and is subject to regulation.

All we are talking about is what regulations are reasonable, practical and effective.  I personally believe that a multiple sales law would meet all three criteria, but that is just a personal opinion.  If it were up to me, I would require all owners to take extensive training to get a concealed carry permit, and to also carry insurance.

I would also require universal background checks, but only about 90% of the entire country agrees with me.
 
2014-06-27 11:20:39 PM  

Low Budget Dave: Free speech Right to Bear Arms is protected by the Constitution to keep the government from censoring the press people.  Even so, there are limits.


Gun nuts always repeat the same tired arguments that the 2nd Amendment gives them the right not only to own guns, but to do so in a manner that is completely unregulated and unlimited.


Strawman.  if that is always the case, cite one in this thread.  Or anywhere for that matter.


All we are talking about is what regulations are reasonable, practical and effective.

Which means different things to different people.  What may be reasonable for those that live in DC may not be reasonable to those that live in Montana.
 
2014-06-28 12:03:41 AM  

fredklein: 1) Guns can do more than kill people. Sometimes, simply having a gun can scare away those who would do you harm - even without killing anyone!!!!11!


Yeah, scare them...with the fear of killing them.


2) Killing someone wishing to do me harm (and probably do the same to someone else tomorrow, and someone else the day after, and someone else the day after, etc) IS a good thing. One less Bad Guy(tm) in the world.

Most killings are done by somebody who knows you so the odds are rather slim that anybody else has pissed him off to the point where he's tired of your shiat.  Contrary to popular belief there are not rogue mobs of people specifically seeking you dead...unless you know a whole lot more people than I would care to wager on.


it's something that has to be done, but that doesn't make it good by itself.  Good wouldn't have you killing another person in the first place.
 
2014-06-28 11:03:27 AM  

IlGreven: ...we did have that discussion.  It was called Prohibition. It was a colossal failure, mainly because the people who had an interest in keeping the booze flowing also had guns.


Thank you.

Also, because people will tend to break laws they find inconvenient that they don't see immediate harm in. I.e. they will get behind the wheel while still buzzed because they aren't going to have trouble getting home safely.
 
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