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2014-06-26 04:58:37 PM  
"At its base, the data show that people insured through the law's exchanges have higher rates of serious medical conditions.  "

So people who couldnt get insurance because of preexisting conditions signed up once they could?
This is news?
ROFL
 
2014-06-26 05:03:31 PM  

namatad: "At its base, the data show that people insured through the law's exchanges have higher rates of serious medical conditions.  "

So people who couldnt get insurance because of preexisting conditions signed up once they could?
This is news?
ROFL


Hey man, those sick people didn't cost a cent to anyone until Obamacare forced them to have coverage.
 
2014-06-26 05:04:53 PM  

namatad: "At its base, the data show that people insured through the law's exchanges have higher rates of serious medical conditions.  "

So people who couldnt get insurance because of preexisting conditions signed up once they could?
This is news?
ROFL


It's amusing that the "death panels" meme caught on as a detractor to ObamaCare, considering that de facto death panels have always been in place in the form of denial of coverage due to pre-existing conditions.

If you can't get insurance for care, and can't afford care that you need, you will die. Problem solved!
 
2014-06-26 05:18:10 PM  

make me some tea: namatad: "At its base, the data show that people insured through the law's exchanges have higher rates of serious medical conditions.  "

So people who couldnt get insurance because of preexisting conditions signed up once they could?
This is news?
ROFL

It's amusing that the "death panels" meme caught on as a detractor to ObamaCare, considering that de facto death panels have always been in place in the form of denial of coverage due to pre-existing conditions.

If you can't get insurance for care, and can't afford care that you need, you will die. Problem solved!


But you'll die free!  Neither constrained nor beholden to any tyrant or king!
 
2014-06-26 05:18:22 PM  
Easy fix: universal health coverage
 
2014-06-26 05:24:47 PM  

Diogenes: But you'll die free!  Neither constrained nor beholden to any tyrant or king!


I, for one, am appalled that my right to die a slow, painful death while my assets drain away to medical expenses have been revoked. Freedom is truly destroyed!
 
2014-06-26 05:25:32 PM  
Had a fruitless FB conversation the other day..

Guy posts a pic of his COBRA pricing, showing the Family Platinum coverage section, which was close to $2000 a month, and biatching about how it was all Obamacare's fault.

I pointed out that A: COBRA has been in place since 1987 essentially untouched, and B: It's at the insurance company's discretion to price the plans, but he's under no obligation to purchase that coverage, and can go on the open market to buy a policy.

He then biatched about how he was FORCED BY A GOVERNMENT MONOPOLY to use healthcare.gov and buy a policy there, or face fines in the form of taxes.

He said his new policy was $1200 a month and it "didn't cover anything" but when pressed, he sheepishly admitted that the major difference was the new policy had a $500 higher per year total per-family out of pocket maximum, and that it was through the same company he had now.

So then, I said, well gee, it appears that Obamacare did something good for you then, because you saved $700 a month over having ZERO alternative before the ACA passed, other than buying as an individual on the spot-price market, which more than likely would have been triple the $1200..

Then he went off on a tangent about how how it was unfair that he had to pay more than when he had employer-funded healthcare and that it would be the end of America if this continues and on and on.

The sad part is, he's a decent guy, intelligent, and it really shocked me that he went full conservitard on this.
 
2014-06-26 05:42:06 PM  
wasn't that the point?
 
2014-06-26 06:35:40 PM  
You've misunderstood, what he was saying was  "The Bart, the".
 
2014-06-26 06:44:52 PM  

markie_farkie: The sad obvious part is, he's a moron decent guy, intelligent, and it didn't really shocked me that he went full conservitard on this.


Seriously. What you described was the behavior of a low grade moron, sticking to irrational beliefs in the face of facts that contradicted those beliefs.  Why would you be shocked?

We have yet to find a single case study that has shown any hardship caused by Obamacare.
Lots of cases of people being ABLE to get insurance at reasonable prices.

Hmmmm
Has there been a single case of someone being denied a policy?
 
2014-06-26 06:55:10 PM  

ManateeGag: wasn't that the point?


Well they have nothing else they can complain about.

First they said too many people were going to sign up and flood the system.
Then they said no one would sign up.
Then they said no one would pay.

So now they are upset that the people who could get insurance before can. Which yeah is the point of the act in the first place but they have to spin it like it's  bad thing.
 
2014-06-26 06:56:26 PM  

ManateeGag: wasn't that the point?


I think subby was being sarcastic.
 
2014-06-26 06:57:59 PM  

markie_farkie: So then, I said, well gee, it appears that Obamacare did something good for you then, because you saved $700 a month over having ZERO alternative before the ACA passed, other than buying as an individual on the spot-price market, which more than likely would have been triple the $1200..


I love the "It's evil government socialism and horrible... BUT SIGN ME UP!!"
 
2014-06-26 07:04:33 PM  
I'm in my doctors office right now for the first time in six years, so I am TOTALLY getting a kick...
 
2014-06-26 07:04:49 PM  
Screw these assholes. My baby nephew in CA has cancer. His working poor parents were only able to get insurance a few months before he was born because of the ACA. They are already desperately broke because the expense of living in a hotel to be near him. If they didn't have insurance he may not be at the best pediatric oncology hospital in CA. Thanks, Obama! Really.
 
2014-06-26 07:05:08 PM  
data published in the Wall Street Journal

You'll forgive me if I take this with a quarry of salt.
 
2014-06-26 07:06:51 PM  

Gyrfalcon: I'm in my doctors office right now for the first time in six years, so I am TOTALLY getting a kick...


Do we have a collection of Obamacare kills/saves Fark stories somewhere?
Would be both entertaining and uplifting.
 
2014-06-26 07:07:50 PM  
"I've got my health care, fark you!  And don't mess up my doorstep with your filthy corpse either!"
 
2014-06-26 07:10:55 PM  
So the article is seriously saying that sick people are getting health insurance now and that's a bad thing.

Well, okay then!
 
2014-06-26 07:12:05 PM  
Some Republicans, particularly Senator Marco Rubio of Florida, Senator Jeff Sessions of Alabama and Representative Fred Upton of Michigan, have decried this program as an insurer bailout.

I am shocked and amazed that some Republicans have decried Obamacare. Shocked and amazed! I'm shomazed!
 
2014-06-26 07:13:03 PM  

Diogenes: namatad: "At its base, the data show that people insured through the law's exchanges have higher rates of serious medical conditions.  "

So people who couldnt get insurance because of preexisting conditions signed up once they could?
This is news?
ROFL

Hey man, those sick people didn't cost a cent to anyone until Obamacare forced them to have coverage.


Yes, sick people and unpaid emergency room visits are Freeeeee!!!!  Much like unwanted pregnancies!
 
2014-06-26 07:13:04 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: Some Republicans, particularly Senator Marco Rubio of Florida, Senator Jeff Sessions of Alabama and Representative Fred Upton of Michigan, have decried this program as an insurer bailout.

I am shocked and amazed that some Republicans have decried Obamacare. Shocked and amazed! I'm shomazed!


I'm amocked.
 
2014-06-26 07:14:01 PM  
The great thing is that conservative spin here is fighting itself on the same page.

You have Lanhee Chen asserting an Obamacare cost death spiral (rising costs).

But then McArdle's article goes into how health care costs fell last quarter.  She has this stunningly dishonest line of:

"It's still a mystery why health-care costs have fallen."
http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-06-25/big-losers-in-gdp-r ep ort-democrats


There is no mystery here.  Obamacare didn't cause a death spiral.  Costs have gone down.  It is working.  But the ideological blinders these guys put on prevents them from seeing the evidence.
 
2014-06-26 07:18:38 PM  

Gyrfalcon: I'm in my doctors office right now for the first time in six years, so I am TOTALLY getting a kick...


Tell your doc that a Fark thread says hi.
 
2014-06-26 07:18:58 PM  
Problem: people can't get healthcare due to preexisting conditions, some of which are caused by the inability to previously afford healthcare

Solution: No preexisting condition denials and more subsidies so people can afford healthcare results in those people being able to afford insurance and healthcare.

Naturally positive situation resulting from Democrat Solution is defined as problem by Republicans.
 
2014-06-26 07:20:33 PM  
This Whole "healthcare" debate proves that, in 'murica, Citizens don't really matter.  only bank owned insurance companies, hospital execs, pharmaceutical companies, etc profits matter.

stay classy, 'murica.  keep your Fake Democracy strong!
 
2014-06-26 07:21:24 PM  
Of the enrollees who have seen a doctor or other health-care provider in the first quarter of this year, 27 percent have significant medical problems, including diabetes, cancer, heart trouble and psychiatric conditions. That rate is substantially higher than that for patients in nonexchange market plans over the same period.

ZOMG people with pre-existing conditions are signing up in greater number than previously was there.... It's almost like one of the key reasons for ACA is working!!

Dumbass.

Next headline: OMG people who previously couldn't afford insurance are now getting insurance!
 
2014-06-26 07:23:23 PM  

freetomato: Soup4Bonnie: Some Republicans, particularly Senator Marco Rubio of Florida, Senator Jeff Sessions of Alabama and Representative Fred Upton of Michigan, have decried this program as an insurer bailout.

I am shocked and amazed that some Republicans have decried Obamacare. Shocked and amazed! I'm shomazed!

I'm amocked.

They're worthy of being amocked.
 
2014-06-26 07:24:11 PM  
The law's one-size-fits-all regulatory regime, which requires insurers to offer coverage to all comers and prohibits pricing of coverage based on an applicant's health status, was bound to increase the number of relatively sicker people purchasing insurance through the exchanges.

Yeah that was actually was one of the GOOD goals that proponents wanted. Not some bad side effect.
 
2014-06-26 07:24:28 PM  
ObamaCare was designed to do two things: expand insurance coverage to more people (especially those locked out because of pre-existing conditions), and control the cost of health care by lowering inflation. Republicans complained that the law would cover fewer people than before and would lead to skyrocketing costs that would bankrupt the nation.

Now we have pretty good evidence that both of those aims are coming true. Millions of previously uninsured people, including many who couldn't get insurance coverage, now have it. And after several months of the lowest levels of health care inflation in decades, the health care sector actually shrunk for the first time that I can remember. And what have Republicans done with this evidence?

They've complained that ObamaCare is destroying the country because sick people are getting health care and people are spending less money on health care.

Does anyone seriously think that Republican opposition to ObamaCare is about anything but the Obama part of it?
 
2014-06-26 07:26:12 PM  
Yet the numbers make clear that the exchanges remain a haven for those who may consume more medical services than others.

You mean like how insurance works normally?

Damn people getting cancer on purpose so they can use all the money up!! fark them I am going to get a deadly costly disease to get more of my Obamacare money!! (this is how Republicans think)
 
2014-06-26 07:26:43 PM  
Paging the Obamacare Welfare Queens! Come defend your compassion for your fellow man.
 
2014-06-26 07:28:58 PM  

Corvus: Yet the numbers make clear that the exchanges remain a haven for those who may consume more medical services than others.

You mean like how insurance works normally?

Damn people getting cancer on purpose so they can use all the money up!! fark them I am going to get a deadly costly disease to get more of my Obamacare money!! (this is how Republicans think)




Some Republicans believe cancer and other diseases are the result of poor moral behavior.
 
2014-06-26 07:28:59 PM  

Serious Black: They've complained that ObamaCare is destroying the country because sick people are getting health care and people are spending less money on health care.


When something succeeds for Obama redefine the success conditions as "failure".
 
2014-06-26 07:29:58 PM  
Moreover, Obama's executive action, which effectively allowed many people who had individual market plans to remain in them through at least 2016, bifurcated the insurance markets such that healthier people remained in the plans they already had, while relatively sicker patients were left to acquire coverage through the Affordable Care Act's exchanges.

I will agree that bifurcation occurred and I will also agree that this cop opt to the criticism of his "like it, keep it" soundbite is legit. That's about all I've found in the whole article.
 
2014-06-26 07:30:54 PM  

TedCruz'sCrazyDad: Corvus: Yet the numbers make clear that the exchanges remain a haven for those who may consume more medical services than others.

You mean like how insurance works normally?

Damn people getting cancer on purpose so they can use all the money up!! fark them I am going to get a deadly costly disease to get more of my Obamacare money!! (this is how Republicans think)

Some Republicans believe cancer and other diseases are the result of poor moral behavior.


Yeah, they can tell that to the evil, immoral three month old in ICU. Assholes, the lot of them.
 
2014-06-26 07:31:19 PM  

TedCruz'sCrazyDad: Corvus: Yet the numbers make clear that the exchanges remain a haven for those who may consume more medical services than others.

You mean like how insurance works normally?

Damn people getting cancer on purpose so they can use all the money up!! fark them I am going to get a deadly costly disease to get more of my Obamacare money!! (this is how Republicans think)

Some Republicans believe cancer and other diseases are the result of poor moral behavior.


FTFY
/It was inevitable, sorry.
 
2014-06-26 07:32:57 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: Moreover, Obama's executive action, which effectively allowed many people who had individual market plans to remain in them through at least 2016, bifurcated the insurance markets such that healthier people remained in the plans they already had, while relatively sicker patients were left to acquire coverage through the Affordable Care Act's exchanges.

I will agree that bifurcation occurred and I will also agree that this cop opt to the criticism of his "like it, keep it" soundbite is legit. That's about all I've found in the whole article.


Wait, seriously? People are complaining that Obama tried to adhere to his "like it, keep it" vow?

Yet more evidence that much of the opposition to Obamacare is because of all the Obama-ness in it.
 
2014-06-26 07:35:25 PM  
My wife developed a severe eye infection, and we wound up in the ER of the local hospital the other day. I have excellent insurance through my employer. In the waiting room, a guy was railing about how horrible Obamacare is, and stated he would "Rather pay the fine" than sign up for insurance. He did not appear to have anything wrong with him, and was called back to see the doctor a few minutes later. Perhaps he had a serious issue I couldn't see, but he didn't appear to be in any distress. I just to understand people like that.

/My wife is fine now
//Thanks for asking
 
2014-06-26 07:36:43 PM  
to = don't

/I suck
 
2014-06-26 07:42:49 PM  

namatad: Seriously. What you described was the behavior of a low grade moron, sticking to irrational beliefs in the face of facts that contradicted those beliefs.  Why would you be shocked?


Creationist scientists exist.  It's quite possible to be overall intelligent and hold otherwise pants-on-head retarded beliefs.
 
2014-06-26 07:55:59 PM  
So, I guess it boils down to the right being angry that sick people have more affordable options to get better and no longer have to risk personal and financial destruction on the path to recovery.

Well I suppose if you absolutely need to be morally outraged about something 'sick people getting better and still having money for food' is a good of an option as any.
 
2014-06-26 08:00:38 PM  
Analyzing the aca has been interesting. For example, most places in Alabama have only 6policies to choose from, while someone from Seminole county Florida have 158 plans to choose from.
 
2014-06-26 08:00:41 PM  
Dear Lanhee Chen.  Kill yourself.  Right now.  You are a waste of a human being and a drain to our species.  Yours is the type of person who, had you lived in the early 20th century, would have complained about smallpox vaccines giving the poor and Third World countries no incentive to stay healthy and avoid disease.  We do not require people like you in this world as you are hell bent on holding everyone else back so that only you and your select handful of "chosen ones" can go forward.
 
2014-06-26 08:01:40 PM  

BionicCrab: /My wife is fine now
//Thanks for asking


Well that is good to hear. My mother recently died (no death panels), and there were a lot of doctor's appointments leading to the inevitable. Test after test after test. Luckily, my sister and I get along fairly well and were able to divide them between our schedules.

At one point, I had to take her to what I can only describe as a medical strip mall, in order to get some blood work done in addition to a CAT scan (my memory might be a bit off here, but the point was to have two tests conducted consecutively, I could be off on the tests). We waited for hours for the first test, and I told the Doctor it would be pointless to do it since we wouldn't have time for the second. He said to get used to long waits since Obamacare passed. This was over a year ago.

I wish this was the part of the story where I bravely informed the Doctor that his staff's inability to properly schedule appointments had nothing to do with Obamacare, but we both know that didn't happen...

/csb!
 
2014-06-26 08:09:52 PM  

JavierLobo: "It's still a mystery why health-care costs have fallen."


THANK YOU
that quote made me belly laugh out loud
I needed that.
 
2014-06-26 08:13:34 PM  

Corvus: ManateeGag: wasn't that the point?

Well they have nothing else they can complain about.

First they said too many people were going to sign up and flood the system.
Then they said no one would sign up.
Then they said no one would pay.

So now they are upset that the people who could get insurance before can. Which yeah is the point of the act in the first place but they have to spin it like it's  bad thing.


It's almost as if they are upset that the de facto wealth based "death panels" created by the pre-ACA healthcare system are gone.
 
2014-06-26 08:23:06 PM  

MrSplifferton: Analyzing the aca has been interesting. For example, most places in Alabama have only 6policies to choose from, while someone from Seminole county Florida have 158 plans to choose from.


Weird, considering neither state expanded Medicare. Maybe because more oldsters in FL, perhaps?

http://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/resources/primers/medicaidmap
 
2014-06-26 08:27:33 PM  

freetomato: MrSplifferton: Analyzing the aca has been interesting. For example, most places in Alabama have only 6policies to choose from, while someone from Seminole county Florida have 158 plans to choose from.

Weird, considering neither state expanded Medicare. Maybe because more oldsters in FL, perhaps?

http://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/resources/primers/medicaidmap


I'm not sure, I have also seen that the avg premiums of platinum plans are lower than gold, and sometimes even silver plans. SLC, Utah is a good example I can think of right now.
 
2014-06-26 08:32:14 PM  
Ok my csb: I have congestive heart failure and was uninsured for over three years because I only worked part time and had a pre-existing condition. I paid out of pocket (and with the generosity of others) to see the cardiologist once a year. It's supposed to be every six months, but it's $300 for the office visit, $400 to check my defibrillator implant, and $1200 for an echocardiogram. An ekg adds a couple hundred more. I take home less than $2k a month.
Now I can not only see my cardiologist but a regular doctor as well, who found out I was pre-diabetic and now we're getting that under control.
Thanks Obama.
 
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