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(Seattle Times)   Teachers will be protesting Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation's meddling in their business. You know they're serious because they're doing it during summer vacation   (seattletimes.com) divider line 137
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2014-06-26 05:46:56 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: Wangiss: umad: B.L.Z. Bub: But seriously, I'm not exactly married to the idea of testing to evaluate teachers' performance. I'm open to alternative ideas, it's just that I have yet to hear any GOOD alternatives proposed.

Because there is no good alternative. The only way to know if a student learned anything is to ask them to demonstrate what they have learned.

I think we could hire a few dozen more administrators. Then we would have better teaching.

Lets re-direct some funds for the formation of a committee to look into that.


As long as my brother-in-law can be on it and manage the budget, I'll agree to that. Have you seen his new boat?
 
2014-06-26 05:48:05 PM  
hstein3:

In particular, school districts haven't been given any money to bring their curriculums into line with the new standards. This happens, and they've dealt with it for decades, but it's still an issue. "Your text books no longer conform to the standards. You'll lose funding if you don't come into compliance, but we're not giving you any money to do so, either. Have fun!"

Bing-farking-go.
 
2014-06-26 05:50:29 PM  

Wangiss: drayno76: Common core: why my daughter will not darken the door of public education.

Challenge: Finding an education program that isn't common core or Christian psycho babble.

I love that you're taking an active role. That's what the world needs. If you want to talk shop about homeschooling, EIP.


Send them to a Jewish school.   Good education, and they have no interest whatsoever in proselytizing to your kid.
 
2014-06-26 05:52:33 PM  

doomjesse: meat0918: meat0918: Intrepid00: I still can't figure out the beef with common core. Someone tell me.

It's different.

Oh, and they use slightly different terms for concepts, but they still teach you all the basics first.

It is not new math for god sakes.

You want my take? Too bad you said common core now you're gonna get it. The whole basis of common core is testing, and centralized testing at that. Not a test written by the teacher to see if you understand the material, but a test written by a for profit corporation to see if you've memorized the answers in the form they prefer. It doesn't allow for alternative methods to get to the same (correct) answer. The tests are designed in such a way that in most cases teachers have little leeway to teach (and perhaps go explain something not wholly on topic). In short, it allows for no love of learning, spends far too much time on testing, and is created by for profit corporations which is suspect.

/end rant for now


Incorrect.  It encourages alternative methods to get the same correct answer, if my son's common core math homework is any indication.

Hell, it's the part he has the most trouble with.  He just answered the question, why does he have to answer it in a different way?
 
2014-06-26 05:53:20 PM  

JohnnyApocalypse: JoieD'Zen: Good. The Gates are also pushing GMO foods and questionable vaccines in other countries.

7/10

I'd give you more points, but I don't think you were trying to troll. It seemed an obvious sarcasto-response to me...


Yeah, that's one of those comments where I have no idea if he's trolling or not.
 
2014-06-26 05:54:39 PM  

meat0918: He just answered the question, why does he have to answer it in a different way?


Those are his words, not mine btw.
 
2014-06-26 05:55:14 PM  

Aetre: Teacher, here.

Honestly, the Common Core initiative would be FINE if it would just eliminate its testing component. Just sayin'.


Without measurement there is no accountability.  How do you propose to objectively measure performance without testing?
 
2014-06-26 05:56:05 PM  

Mr. Eugenides: Aetre: Teacher, here.

Honestly, the Common Core initiative would be FINE if it would just eliminate its testing component. Just sayin'.

Without measurement there is no accountability.  How do you propose to objectively measure performance without testing?


Graduation rates
 
2014-06-26 05:57:18 PM  

cretinbob: You know teachers don't get paid during the summer, right cockgobblermitter?


In most districts teachers can take their pay over 9 or over 12 months.  So you're wrong about that.
 
2014-06-26 05:59:48 PM  

meat0918: Mr. Eugenides: Aetre: Teacher, here.

Honestly, the Common Core initiative would be FINE if it would just eliminate its testing component. Just sayin'.

Without measurement there is no accountability.  How do you propose to objectively measure performance without testing?

Graduation rates


Cool!  We can go back to turning a blind eye, moving them through the system and giving them a diploma without actually teaching them to read.
 
2014-06-26 06:05:22 PM  

JoieD'Zen: Good. The Gates are also pushing GMO foods and questionable vaccines in other countries.


What's wrong with gmo foods? Aside from increasing yields and feeding the hungry, that is.
 
2014-06-26 06:05:31 PM  
So, the complaint is teachers want more money as usual.

I'm looking at a common core sample test (English, grade 12).  It doesn't seem too bad.  Not all kids are going to get perfect scores, but it seems reasonable to expect them to at least pass it.

Now stop whining and do something productive you badasses.
 
2014-06-26 06:09:44 PM  
Common core is fantastic.  I absolutely love watching dumb people get upset about it.
 
2014-06-26 06:12:40 PM  

meat0918: Mr. Eugenides: Aetre: Teacher, here.

Honestly, the Common Core initiative would be FINE if it would just eliminate its testing component. Just sayin'.

Without measurement there is no accountability.  How do you propose to objectively measure performance without testing?

Graduation rates


Yea, and the best way to know if you designed a bridge well is to build it and see if it falls down in the first 50 years. ...but that's not practical because the feedback takes forever and you only learn long after any damage is already done.
 
2014-06-26 06:15:40 PM  

slob: Common core is fantastic.  I absolutely love watching dumb people get upset about it.


Everyone'a doing it, so it must be bad.

Besides, my snowflake needs to learn entirely different basic reading and math skills than the crotchfruit of all those ...peasants.
 
2014-06-26 06:18:04 PM  

BravadoGT: Wangiss: drayno76: Common core: why my daughter will not darken the door of public education.

Challenge: Finding an education program that isn't common core or Christian psycho babble.

I love that you're taking an active role. That's what the world needs. If you want to talk shop about homeschooling, EIP.

Send them to a Jewish school.   Good education, and they have no interest whatsoever in proselytizing to your kid.


Yea, but will they bowl on Saturday?
 
2014-06-26 06:22:14 PM  

meat0918: Mr. Eugenides: Aetre: Teacher, here.

Honestly, the Common Core initiative would be FINE if it would just eliminate its testing component. Just sayin'.

Without measurement there is no accountability.  How do you propose to objectively measure performance without testing?

Graduation rates


That doesn't work.  A district can always graduate kids who haven't actually learned how to read.

Testing is fine.  You need to figure out what kids are actually learning.  But it's a stupid way to evaluate teachers, because test scores have a lot more to do with the intelligence of the students than the skill of the teacher.
 
2014-06-26 06:27:57 PM  
I'm just gonna leave this here...

Badass Teachers Association
Badass Teachers Association (facebook)

Yeah, teachers are getting sick of being pariahs and catching blame for the failings of our sackless politicians to address the ACTUAL issues (poverty, glorification of idiocy, parents that never hold their crotchfruit accountable for a damn thing, etc) that contribute to student failure.  Notice I said STUDENT failure, not teacher failure.
 
2014-06-26 06:29:00 PM  

keypusher: meat0918: Mr. Eugenides: Aetre: Teacher, here.

Honestly, the Common Core initiative would be FINE if it would just eliminate its testing component. Just sayin'.

Without measurement there is no accountability.  How do you propose to objectively measure performance without testing?

Graduation rates

That doesn't work.  A district can always graduate kids who haven't actually learned how to read.

Testing is fine.  You need to figure out what kids are actually learning.  But it's a stupid way to evaluate teachers, because test scores have a lot more to do with the intelligence and motivation levelof the students than the skill of the teacher.


FTFY
 
2014-06-26 06:33:18 PM  

meat0918: You cannot use a brand new test and tie it to teacher performance right away.


You cant compare a class performance for Teacher 'A' from last years non-core class to this years Teacher 'A' class using common core.

You can however, compare Teacher A and Teacher B to each other if they both started common core at the same time (its nice to have a teacher that can adapt and teach new material quickly and efficiently).
 
2014-06-26 06:45:06 PM  

Whatchoo Talkinbout: After all, American teachers have taken the most money per student in the world and rocketed to third rate test scores. How dare Bill Gates get involved.


American teachers aren't the best paid in the world so you're anger is misplaced.  Teachers don't set the budget- your elected school board members do.  Perhaps we should stop electing such terrible managers.
 
2014-06-26 06:49:51 PM  

umad: B.L.Z. Bub: But seriously, I'm not exactly married to the idea of testing to evaluate teachers' performance. I'm open to alternative ideas, it's just that I have yet to hear any GOOD alternatives proposed.

Because there is no good alternative. The only way to know if a student learned anything is to ask them to demonstrate what they have learned.


Should we apply the same standards to doctors and dentists and pay them solely on the basis of patient outcomes or should we recognize that while good outcomes are positively associated with good dental and medical care they are not necessarily the cause of all patient outcomes?
 
2014-06-26 06:55:27 PM  

stan unusual: umad: B.L.Z. Bub: But seriously, I'm not exactly married to the idea of testing to evaluate teachers' performance. I'm open to alternative ideas, it's just that I have yet to hear any GOOD alternatives proposed.

Because there is no good alternative. The only way to know if a student learned anything is to ask them to demonstrate what they have learned.

Should we apply the same standards to doctors and dentists and pay them solely on the basis of patient outcomes or should we recognize that while good outcomes are positively associated with good dental and medical care they are not necessarily the cause of all patient outcomes?


Wait...you mean to tell me that correlation does not equal causation?  Dammit!

There goes my assumption that since I'm male, and males often get to sleep with supermodels, that it meant I was gonna get to some day!  You smashed my dreams, good sir.  I hope you feel good about yourself.
 
2014-06-26 07:02:03 PM  

cretinbob: You know teachers don't get paid during the summer, right cockgobblermitter?



A lot of teachers have their pay spread over the year so they have income in the summer.
 
2014-06-26 07:02:18 PM  

SubBass49: stan unusual: umad: B.L.Z. Bub: But seriously, I'm not exactly married to the idea of testing to evaluate teachers' performance. I'm open to alternative ideas, it's just that I have yet to hear any GOOD alternatives proposed.

Because there is no good alternative. The only way to know if a student learned anything is to ask them to demonstrate what they have learned.

Should we apply the same standards to doctors and dentists and pay them solely on the basis of patient outcomes or should we recognize that while good outcomes are positively associated with good dental and medical care they are not necessarily the cause of all patient outcomes?

Wait...you mean to tell me that correlation does not equal causation?  Dammit!

There goes my assumption that since I'm male, and males often get to sleep with supermodels, that it meant I was gonna get to some day!  You smashed my dreams, good sir.  I hope you feel good about yourself.


I've heard a lot of snarky responses and no real solutions.

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2014-06-26 07:03:29 PM  

SubBass49: I'm just gonna leave this here...

Badass Teachers Association
Badass Teachers Association (facebook)

Yeah, teachers are getting sick of being pariahs and catching blame for the failings of our sackless politicians to address the ACTUAL issues (poverty, glorification of idiocy, parents that never hold their crotchfruit accountable for a damn thing, etc) that contribute to student failure.  Notice I said STUDENT failure, not teacher failure.


Bolded for truthiness.  There are bad teachers, but they aren't the biggest problem by a damn sight.  The SYSTEM is failing.  I don't really have an opinion one way or the other on common core (yet).  But the endless prescriptions just noise around the edges.  Until we tackle poverty and cultural issues, it is just noise.
 
2014-06-26 07:05:24 PM  

cretinbob: You know teachers don't get paid during the summer, right cockgobblermitter?


I love this!
 
2014-06-26 07:07:25 PM  

stan unusual: umad: B.L.Z. Bub: But seriously, I'm not exactly married to the idea of testing to evaluate teachers' performance. I'm open to alternative ideas, it's just that I have yet to hear any GOOD alternatives proposed.

Because there is no good alternative. The only way to know if a student learned anything is to ask them to demonstrate what they have learned.

Should we apply the same standards to doctors and dentists and pay them solely on the basis of patient outcomes or should we recognize that while good outcomes are positively associated with good dental and medical care they are not necessarily the cause of all patient outcomes?


Teacher like typing detected. Perhaps you can point out where anyone has suggested that every student has to ace the test for it to count in the teacher's favor. Or are you suggesting that we force teachers to carry malpractice insurance rather than dealing with standardized testing? All I do know is that your demands of never being held accountable will never happen. In the real world, if you can't prove that you can do your job by some objective metrics, then you will no longer have your job. Man up and deal with it.
 
2014-06-26 07:07:48 PM  

RyansPrivates: SubBass49: I'm just gonna leave this here...

Badass Teachers Association
Badass Teachers Association (facebook)

Yeah, teachers are getting sick of being pariahs and catching blame for the failings of our sackless politicians to address the ACTUAL issues (poverty, glorification of idiocy, parents that never hold their crotchfruit accountable for a damn thing, etc) that contribute to student failure.  Notice I said STUDENT failure, not teacher failure.

Bolded for truthiness.  There are bad teachers, but they aren't the biggest problem by a damn sight.  The SYSTEM is failing.  I don't really have an opinion one way or the other on common core (yet).  But the endless prescriptions just noise around the edges.  Until we tackle poverty and cultural issues, it is just noise.


But to do that, politicians need to risk pissing off a good chunk of their base (on BOTH sides of the aisle).  Your everyday inner-city clown-car has a lot more in common with a redneck trailer-trash clown-car than you might imagine...especially in regards to sewing the seeds of apathy, ignorance, and disrespect for education.

Sadly, our politicians want every vote they can grub, and they do the math..."teachers in this hand, versus everyone else in this hand.  Well shiat, I'd like to be honest about why our nation's kids are farking idiots, but then I wouldn't get another term in office!"
 
2014-06-26 07:09:38 PM  

B.L.Z. Bub: I've heard a lot of snarky responses and no real solutions.


Because "Pay us more but don't expect us to actually do anything" is as 'real' as the solutions get to them.
 
2014-06-26 07:10:15 PM  

jshine: BravadoGT: Wangiss: drayno76: Common core: why my daughter will not darken the door of public education.

Challenge: Finding an education program that isn't common core or Christian psycho babble.

I love that you're taking an active role. That's what the world needs. If you want to talk shop about homeschooling, EIP.

Send them to a Jewish school.   Good education, and they have no interest whatsoever in proselytizing to your kid.

Yea, but will they bowl on Saturday?


This isn't No Child Left Behind, man, this is Common Core.  There are rules.
 
2014-06-26 07:10:59 PM  

umad: B.L.Z. Bub: I've heard a lot of snarky responses and no real solutions.

Because "Pay us more but don't expect us to actually do anything" is as 'real' as the solutions get to them.


Yes, because that's what has been said.  I'm surprised the handlers let you use their computers, what with the feces on your hands & all.
 
2014-06-26 07:11:32 PM  

JoieD'Zen: cretinbob: You know teachers don't get paid during the summer, right cockgobblermitter?

I love this!


My Dad was a teacher for 27 years and got paid 27 summers. Also has been paid for 26 years since he retired.
 
2014-06-26 07:13:31 PM  

SubBass49: umad: B.L.Z. Bub: I've heard a lot of snarky responses and no real solutions.

Because "Pay us more but don't expect us to actually do anything" is as 'real' as the solutions get to them.

Yes, because that's what has been said.  I'm surprised the handlers let you use their computers, what with the feces on your hands & all.


Then let's hear your brilliant farking plan. And I mean a real plan. Not some happy horseshiat like "end poverty and make parents care more."
 
2014-06-26 07:13:45 PM  
The Gates Foundation is such a scam. Its original formula for improving schools was to give away computers to schools that JUST COINCIDENTALLY ran Microsoft operating systems. Schools had mainly used Apple computers up until that point. Market share plus kids' first exposure to computers plus tax writeoff = charity!
 
2014-06-26 07:14:13 PM  

uberaverage: JoieD'Zen: cretinbob: You know teachers don't get paid during the summer, right cockgobblermitter?

I love this!

My Dad was a teacher for 27 years and got paid 27 summers. Also has been paid for 26 years since he retired.


Very likely that he gave the district/state a no-interest loan by allowing them to hold a portion of his paycheck each month and distribute it during the summer...that's what I've done ever since I started making enough to survive the school year with that much missing.  Gives me a bit of peace-of-mind during the summer months.
 
2014-06-26 07:15:34 PM  
They had standardized testing when I was in school, back when Miami Vice was the coolest show on television.  The only difference I see now is that teachers are being held accountable for the outcome.  Since all the sample tests I saw were multiple choice I don't see where the wharglbargl about 'having to learn a new method to arrive at answers' comes into play.  The math word problems were pretty damn standard math problems and you could learn how to solve them with a 19th century arithmetic book or one published last Thursday.

What I *do* see is that faux news hates it because it's taking the power away from the lunatics on the Texas school board to dictate the nation's textbooks and the hippies at MSNBC hate it because it holds teachers accountable for their work.  If those two sides both hate it, it's probably the greatest thing ever.
 
2014-06-26 07:17:20 PM  

uberaverage: JoieD'Zen: cretinbob: You know teachers don't get paid during the summer, right cockgobblermitter?

I love this!

My Dad was a teacher for 27 years and got paid 27 summers. Also has been paid for 26 years since he retired.


I was referencing the use of cockgobblermitter.
G
lad your dad got paid summers.
 
2014-06-26 07:20:12 PM  

jshine: meat0918: Mr. Eugenides: Aetre: Teacher, here.

Honestly, the Common Core initiative would be FINE if it would just eliminate its testing component. Just sayin'.

Without measurement there is no accountability.  How do you propose to objectively measure performance without testing?

Graduation rates

Yea, and the best way to know if you designed a bridge well is to build it and see if it falls down in the first 50 years. ...but that's not practical because the feedback takes forever and you only learn long after any damage is already done.


Which is already a problem.  You can change things, but the earlier you place those changes, the longer it takes to see if there were improvements.

Also, I was totally sarcastic about the graduation rates, based on those, the alternative public high school (last chance high schools)down the road should be shut down, but it is touted as a success even though they have a dismal, abysmal, just horrid graduation rate since most of the kids end up dropping out anyways, but those that care enough to actually graduate get the extra attention they need, and the ones that just don't care aren't in with the general school population to cause trouble

//Realize that sounds absolutely horrible and unfair to characterize those students at a last chance high as trouble makers.
 
2014-06-26 07:21:52 PM  
2blog2share2learn.edublogs.org
Some of your kids are just dumb.
 
2014-06-26 07:22:25 PM  

umad: SubBass49: umad: B.L.Z. Bub: I've heard a lot of snarky responses and no real solutions.

Because "Pay us more but don't expect us to actually do anything" is as 'real' as the solutions get to them.

Yes, because that's what has been said.  I'm surprised the handlers let you use their computers, what with the feces on your hands & all.

Then let's hear your brilliant farking plan. And I mean a real plan. Not some happy horseshiat like "end poverty and make parents care more."


Well, no one said this was going to be easy.  There's a reason it hasn't been properly dealt with yet.

1. Comprehensive social services that help to lessen the impact of poverty.  They exist now, but are so overburdened and underfunded that it's hard to make the proper impact.

2. A national push towards ending the glorification of stupidity.  Yeah, pretty farking unrealistic, I know, but you asked for solutions.  IToldThatTeachinLady.jpg  and Idiocracy.jpg can be inserted as we go.

3. Any politician that wants to pass a law pertaining to education has to have been a teacher for a minimum of 3 years in a low-income public school (no charters).

4. Start paying teachers a wage commensurate with the educational attainment necessary to enter the field.  No one expects to get rich teaching, but one with a masters in education and 15 years in the biz should at least be able to afford a median-priced home in the city they teach in.  Just sayin'.

5. Stop vilifying unions & tenure.  They exist for very good reasons, and are all that's keeping many of the best teachers in the business.  End them, and watch the educational shiat hit the proverbial fan.

6. Start holding CHILDREN & THEIR FAMILIES accountable for educational outcomes.  Seriously.  I'm not joking.

Anyway, that's a start, but my kids (age 2 & 5) are chattering at me, so it's all I've got for now....damn ADD.
 
2014-06-26 07:22:46 PM  

LazyMedia: The Gates Foundation is such a scam. Its original formula for improving schools was to give away computers to schools that JUST COINCIDENTALLY ran Microsoft operating systems. Schools had mainly used Apple computers up until that point. Market share plus kids' first exposure to computers plus tax writeoff = charity!


Apple practically gave away computers in the 80s and 90s to schools so their first exposure would be Apple products...

What has Apple done with its wealth to improve the  world like the Gates Foundation?
 
2014-06-26 07:26:34 PM  

SubBass49: I'm just gonna leave this here...

Badass Teachers Association
Badass Teachers Association (facebook)

Yeah, teachers are getting sick of being pariahs and catching blame for the failings of our sackless politicians to address the ACTUAL issues (poverty, glorification of idiocy, parents that never hold their crotchfruit accountable for a damn thing, etc) that contribute to student failure.  Notice I said STUDENT failure, not teacher failure.


Like you all like to say to the waiters and waitress.....get a different job!  Someone deciding to be a teacher in this day and age and acting like they did not know what to expect is amusing.
 
2014-06-26 07:26:35 PM  

geoduck42: ikanreed: but GMO foods and vaccines are both unquestionably good.

Vaccines, sure. GMO foods "unquestionably" good? No. They're also not unquestionably evil. Like so many advances in science, they have the potential to be a great boon, or something that gets horribly abused, intentionally or otherwise.


Nope.  Sorry.  Pretending that there's some avenue for "abuse" in disease resistant crops is just silly.  Sure, you could theoretically be a cartoon villain, but this is stupid.
 
2014-06-26 07:29:00 PM  

LazyMedia: The Gates Foundation is such a scam. Its original formula for improving schools was to give away computers to schools that JUST COINCIDENTALLY ran Microsoft operating systems. Schools had mainly used Apple computers up until that point. Market share plus kids' first exposure to computers plus tax writeoff = charity!


What school systems used Apple?
 
2014-06-26 07:29:08 PM  

cretinbob: You know teachers don't get paid during the summer, right cockgobblermitter?


Actually in Washington that's not totally true, depending on how you look at it.

They receive a check for 1/12 of their annual salary each month throughout the year, including the summer.
 
2014-06-26 07:30:02 PM  

get real: SubBass49: I'm just gonna leave this here...

Badass Teachers Association
Badass Teachers Association (facebook)

Yeah, teachers are getting sick of being pariahs and catching blame for the failings of our sackless politicians to address the ACTUAL issues (poverty, glorification of idiocy, parents that never hold their crotchfruit accountable for a damn thing, etc) that contribute to student failure.  Notice I said STUDENT failure, not teacher failure.

Like you all like to say to the waiters and waitress.....get a different job!  Someone deciding to be a teacher in this day and age and acting like they did not know what to expect is amusing.


Yeah, I started in 2000, back in the good old days.  Back when teachers in my area could still afford to buy a house.  Back before No Child Left Behind.  Yeah.  The bold stuff above has gotten worse every year since then.
 
2014-06-26 07:32:54 PM  

JoieD'Zen: uberaverage: JoieD'Zen: cretinbob: You know teachers don't get paid during the summer, right cockgobblermitter?

I love this!

My Dad was a teacher for 27 years and got paid 27 summers. Also has been paid for 26 years since he retired.

I was referencing the use of cockgobblermitter.
Glad your dad got paid summers.


I am the mitter who gobblecocked this. My 70th approved link. I needed to get off 69, it was exhausting me.
 
2014-06-26 07:43:15 PM  

SubBass49: Anyway, that's a start


No it isn't. I said no happy horseshiat, and that is all you gave me.
 
2014-06-26 07:48:46 PM  
Under Jobs' leadership, Apple embarked on a rather ambitious strategy of creating a market out of thin air for its products. One way it did this here in California was to give away hundreds of free computers to schools across the state. In return for its "good deed,"  it got a very generous tax break from the politicians in Sacramento.
As the trade journal Infoworld observed in 1990:
Apple Computer's involvement in elementary education in the early 1980s was a work of marketing genius. The then-fledgling company offered to donate one Apple II system to each elementary school in the country - that is, once the government guaranteed them certain tax advantages in exchange for their corporate largesse.
Many schools accepted Apple's generosity. Immediately, they all faced the same question: "What does a school with hundreds, or in some cases thousands of students do with one computer?"
For many, the answer was to buy more Apple computers, build computer labs, and create computing programs. And, as schools began equipping labs with discounted Apple equipment, parents of elementary school children began buying up Apple II computers for use at home, paying full price.
Nearly 10 years later, elementary schools continue to buy Apple II technology. As a result, the strategy has kept what many industry observers contend is an overpriced and technically obsolete system in the mainstream. And it provided Apple with a virtual lock on the elementary school market that continues today. (1990)
 
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