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(Seattle Times)   Teachers will be protesting Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation's meddling in their business. You know they're serious because they're doing it during summer vacation   (seattletimes.com) divider line 137
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2014-06-26 03:53:00 PM  
Good. The Gates are also pushing GMO foods and questionable vaccines in other countries.
 
2014-06-26 04:58:15 PM  

JoieD'Zen: Good. The Gates are also pushing GMO foods and questionable vaccines in other countries.


While taking credit for what Rotary International has done to vaccinate for Polio around the world.
 
2014-06-26 04:58:44 PM  
The Gates people are the ones that started pushing the Common Core?!  (read that in TFA, and that was enough for me.)

OMG!  Fark them!  I hope these protesters actually make something of this!
 
2014-06-26 05:00:01 PM  

JoieD'Zen: Good. The Gates are also pushing GMO foods and questionable vaccines in other countries.


You are just trying to make your argument look bad, aren't you?

Look, the evidence for the whole "school choice" thing is suspect, but GMO foods and vaccines are both unquestionably good.  And there's nothing wrong with the vaccines they're paying for in particular.
 
2014-06-26 05:00:47 PM  

JoieD'Zen: questionable vaccines in other countries.


YOu mean like the Polio vaccine in India and the UAE.  Totally right.  Gates Foundation are The Worst. Philanthropists. Ever.
 
2014-06-26 05:03:00 PM  
Don't really have anything to contribute, so I am just going to leave this here...

speedmaxpc.com
 
2014-06-26 05:05:05 PM  
Reading TFA, looking for these teachers' alternatives for improving education, and what's the only suggestion I see?
improving education by supporting teachers and reducing the workload

That's it?

JoieD'Zen: Good. The Gates are also pushing GMO foods and questionable vaccines in other countries.


How dare they . . . feed people?

Tom_Slick: While taking credit for what Rotary International has done to vaccinate for Polio around the world.


It's outrageous that the Gates foundation is giving them money to do their work? And just listen to Bill taking all the credit in that video: Rotary has raised $800 million to fight polio. Just as important, you have kept it high up on the world's list of priorities. Together with WHO, UNICEF, CDC, and other partners, you've stopped millions of cases of polio. And you've saved more than a million lives. Without Rotary, the world wouldn't be anywhere close to a 99 percent decline in polio.
 
2014-06-26 05:06:44 PM  
Common core: why my daughter will not darken the door of public education.

Challenge: Finding an education program that isn't common core or Christian psycho babble.
 
2014-06-26 05:06:59 PM  
Teacher, here.

Honestly, the Common Core initiative would be FINE if it would just eliminate its testing component. Just sayin'.
 
2014-06-26 05:06:59 PM  
I still can't figure out the beef with common core. Someone tell me.
 
2014-06-26 05:07:30 PM  

RyansPrivates: JoieD'Zen: questionable vaccines in other countries.

YOu mean like the Polio vaccine in India and the UAE.  Totally right.  Gates Foundation are The Worst. Philanthropists. Ever.


Cheap and effective vaccines too.

The horror.

Also, UG99 wheat rust is nothing to sneeze at and we are throwing every technique we have at it, including GMO, to trying to breed or otherwise engineer a few varieties of wheat resistant to that stuff.
 
2014-06-26 05:07:57 PM  
After all, American teachers have taken the most money per student in the world and rocketed to third rate test scores. How dare Bill Gates get involved.
 
2014-06-26 05:08:15 PM  

Intrepid00: I still can't figure out the beef with common core. Someone tell me.


It's different.
 
2014-06-26 05:08:31 PM  

draypresct: How dare they . . . feed people?


monoculture and lack of diversity shouldn't cause any problems, I mean tally me banana, amirite?
 
2014-06-26 05:08:50 PM  

meat0918: Intrepid00: I still can't figure out the beef with common core. Someone tell me.

It's different.


Oh, and they use slightly different terms for concepts, but they still teach you all the basics first.

It is not new math for god sakes.
 
2014-06-26 05:08:57 PM  

JoieD'Zen: Good. The Gates are also pushing GMO foods and questionable vaccines in other countries.


7/10

I'd give you more points, but I don't think you were trying to troll. It seemed an obvious sarcasto-response to me...
 
2014-06-26 05:09:12 PM  

JoieD'Zen: Good. The Gates are also pushing GMO foods and questionable vaccines in other countries.


Oh look, some one who has no idea what they are talking about.
 
2014-06-26 05:10:08 PM  
I'll be sure to pass along these concerns to Bill and Melinda the next time I see them.


I know, I know, they have lots of money and that makes them evil.
 
2014-06-26 05:10:33 PM  

Headso: draypresct: How dare they . . . feed people?

monoculture and lack of diversity shouldn't cause any problems, I mean tally me banana, amirite?


Monoculture is a separate, long standing resiliency issue with modern farming.
 
2014-06-26 05:10:54 PM  

drayno76: Common core: why my daughter will not darken the door of public education.

Challenge: Finding an education program that isn't common core or Christian psycho babble.


Keeping your kid out of the collectivist system? That's just......um.....well, genius. Bravo, I wish more parents bucked the system, that generates true diversity.
 
2014-06-26 05:12:20 PM  
Here is the crux of why teachers are upset

"Among the issues that most rankle the foundation's critics is its support of using student test scores in judging teacher performance. Recently, though, the foundation sided with American Federation of Teachers President Randi Weingarten, "

You cannot use a brand new test and tie it to teacher performance right away.
 
2014-06-26 05:13:34 PM  

Intrepid00: I still can't figure out the beef with common core. Someone tell me.


Because TESTING! Testing is teh evul!1!

But seriously, I'm not exactly married to the idea of testing to evaluate teachers' performance. I'm open to alternative ideas, it's just that I have yet to hear any GOOD alternatives proposed.
 
2014-06-26 05:13:37 PM  

Intrepid00: I still can't figure out the beef with common core. Someone tell me.


Common Core started out as a pretty awesome thing. See, the textbook industry plays to the largest market, which in the USA is Texas (you'd think it'd be California, but it's not. Long story.) So a bunch of states made a common curriculum and called it Common Core so that Texas alone couldn't just, say, decide that evolution was B.S. and make alternate textbooks based on this. The only problem: they decided to keep the single worst part of No Child Left Behind, which was the High-Stakes-Test, and implement it into Common Core. This has poisoned the water, so to speak. Teachers who would love to just be allowed to teach their subjects are instead beholden to Pearson's wording of specific test questions, and if your school district is unfortunate enough to not have chosen a Pearson textbook, well, they won't have the right wording to any of their questions, and students will be more likely to fail the state's tests.

Eliminate these tests, and Common Core doesn't turn out to be all that bad a thing; it's just a way of telling textbook companies, "This is what we're willing to teach." But as is, it's more of an invitation to textbook companies: "Sell us what we have to teach to keep our jobs."

And there's the problem.
 
2014-06-26 05:14:42 PM  

JoieD'Zen: Good. The Gates are also pushing GMO foods and questionable vaccines in other countries.


Jenny? Hey, I loved you in that thing you did.
 
2014-06-26 05:15:21 PM  
This thread is certainly derpy enough to be confined to the Politics tab.
 
2014-06-26 05:15:59 PM  

ikanreed: but GMO foods and vaccines are both unquestionably good.


Vaccines, sure. GMO foods "unquestionably" good? No. They're also not unquestionably evil. Like so many advances in science, they have the potential to be a great boon, or something that gets horribly abused, intentionally or otherwise.
 
2014-06-26 05:16:54 PM  

geoduck42: ikanreed: but GMO foods and vaccines are both unquestionably good.

Vaccines, sure. GMO foods "unquestionably" good? No. They're also not unquestionably evil. Like so many advances in science, they have the potential to be a great boon, or something that gets horribly abused, intentionally or otherwise.


You could say that about any human endeavor.
 
2014-06-26 05:17:52 PM  

Tom_Slick: JoieD'Zen: Good. The Gates are also pushing GMO foods and questionable vaccines in other countries.

While taking credit for what Rotary International has done to vaccinate for Polio around the world.


10/10
 
2014-06-26 05:18:33 PM  

B.L.Z. Bub: Intrepid00: I still can't figure out the beef with common core. Someone tell me.

Because TESTING! Testing is teh evul!1!

But seriously, I'm not exactly married to the idea of testing to evaluate teachers' performance. I'm open to alternative ideas, it's just that I have yet to hear any GOOD alternatives proposed.


Any teacher that doesn't have a 2.5 or higher score on RateMyProfessor.com is fired.
Unless they are marked as "Hot" in which case 2.0 or higher.
 
2014-06-26 05:19:56 PM  

drayno76: Common core: why my daughter will not darken the door of public education.

Challenge: Finding an education program that isn't common core or Christian psycho babble.


I love that you're taking an active role. That's what the world needs. If you want to talk shop about homeschooling, EIP.
 
2014-06-26 05:23:51 PM  

meat0918: Here is the crux of why teachers are upset

"Among the issues that most rankle the foundation's critics is its support of using student test scores in judging teacher performance. Recently, though, the foundation sided with American Federation of Teachers President Randi Weingarten, "

You cannot use a brand new test and tie it to teacher performance right away.


Teachers are the only organization I have ever seen that actively works against having their performance measured as part of an incentive program.
 
2014-06-26 05:24:19 PM  
Steve Job's ghost just read this thread and had a rigor mortis Viagra moment.
 
2014-06-26 05:27:26 PM  
It just breaks my heart to see people disagree with our beneficence oligarch overlords.
 
2014-06-26 05:27:43 PM  

JoieD'Zen: Good. The Gates


Gateses.

are also pushing GMO foods and questionable vaccines in other countries.

You're right: that is good.
 
2014-06-26 05:28:19 PM  
"Badass Teachers Association"?

Really?
 
2014-06-26 05:28:36 PM  

draypresct: Reading TFA, looking for these teachers' alternatives for improving education, and what's the only suggestion I see?
improving education by supporting teachers and reducing the workload

That's it?

JoieD'Zen: Good. The Gates are also pushing GMO foods and questionable vaccines in other countries.

How dare they . . . feed people?

Tom_Slick: While taking credit for what Rotary International has done to vaccinate for Polio around the world.

It's outrageous that the Gates foundation is giving them money to do their work? And just listen to Bill taking all the credit in that video: Rotary has raised $800 million to fight polio. Just as important, you have kept it high up on the world's list of priorities. Together with WHO, UNICEF, CDC, and other partners, you've stopped millions of cases of polio. And you've saved more than a million lives. Without Rotary, the world wouldn't be anywhere close to a 99 percent decline in polio.


Welcome to fark. Where giving to charity makes you an asshole, but fixing prices and patent trolling makes you a hero.
 
2014-06-26 05:29:09 PM  

draypresct: It's outrageous that the Gates foundation is giving them money to do their work? And just listen to Bill taking all the credit in that video: Rotary has raised $800 million to fight polio. Just as important, you have kept it high up on the world's list of priorities. Together with WHO, UNICEF, CDC, and other partners, you've stopped millions of cases of polio. And you've saved more than a million lives. Without Rotary, the world wouldn't be anywhere close to a 99 percent decline in polio.


The bastard!
 
2014-06-26 05:36:41 PM  

meat0918: Headso: draypresct: How dare they . . . feed people?

monoculture and lack of diversity shouldn't cause any problems, I mean tally me banana, amirite?

Monoculture is a separate, long standing resiliency issue with modern farming.


gmo fosters monoculture
 
2014-06-26 05:36:41 PM  
You know teachers don't get paid during the summer, right cockgobblermitter?
 
2014-06-26 05:37:46 PM  

B.L.Z. Bub: geoduck42: ikanreed: but GMO foods and vaccines are both unquestionably good.

Vaccines, sure. GMO foods "unquestionably" good? No. They're also not unquestionably evil. Like so many advances in science, they have the potential to be a great boon, or something that gets horribly abused, intentionally or otherwise.

You could say that about any human endeavor.


Yes, and we should say that about more things.
 
2014-06-26 05:39:12 PM  

B.L.Z. Bub: But seriously, I'm not exactly married to the idea of testing to evaluate teachers' performance. I'm open to alternative ideas, it's just that I have yet to hear any GOOD alternatives proposed.


Because there is no good alternative. The only way to know if a student learned anything is to ask them to demonstrate what they have learned.
 
2014-06-26 05:39:19 PM  

Rent Party: meat0918: Here is the crux of why teachers are upset

"Among the issues that most rankle the foundation's critics is its support of using student test scores in judging teacher performance. Recently, though, the foundation sided with American Federation of Teachers President Randi Weingarten, "

You cannot use a brand new test and tie it to teacher performance right away.

Teachers are the only organization I have ever seen that actively works against having their performance measured as part of an incentive program.


IMHO, the problem is which grades they test, and how do you correlate that with performance?

You have 3 grades (K-2nd) when the 3rd grade teacher does the test (first time they take a standardized test).  Who gets the blame or credit if they fail or pass?

Do you want to expand testing further and test every single grade level?
 
2014-06-26 05:40:23 PM  

meat0918: meat0918: Intrepid00: I still can't figure out the beef with common core. Someone tell me.

It's different.

Oh, and they use slightly different terms for concepts, but they still teach you all the basics first.

It is not new math for god sakes.


You want my take? Too bad you said common core now you're gonna get it. The whole basis of common core is testing, and centralized testing at that. Not a test written by the teacher to see if you understand the material, but a test written by a for profit corporation to see if you've memorized the answers in the form they prefer. It doesn't allow for alternative methods to get to the same (correct) answer. The tests are designed in such a way that in most cases teachers have little leeway to teach (and perhaps go explain something not wholly on topic). In short, it allows for no love of learning, spends far too much time on testing, and is created by for profit corporations which is suspect.

/end rant for now
 
2014-06-26 05:41:25 PM  

umad: B.L.Z. Bub: But seriously, I'm not exactly married to the idea of testing to evaluate teachers' performance. I'm open to alternative ideas, it's just that I have yet to hear any GOOD alternatives proposed.

Because there is no good alternative. The only way to know if a student learned anything is to ask them to demonstrate what they have learned.


I think we could hire a few dozen more administrators. Then we would have better teaching.
 
2014-06-26 05:42:04 PM  
How dare a very intelligent, successful person try to force children to learn stuff.
 
2014-06-26 05:42:12 PM  

Headso: draypresct: How dare they . . . feed people?

monoculture and lack of diversity shouldn't cause any problems, I mean tally me banana, amirite?


Oh, you mean the bananas that they've been saying are doomed for like, what, over ten years now? The ones that have been roughly the same price per pound since January 2008? Those bananas?

Well, I'm convinced.
 
2014-06-26 05:42:19 PM  

drayno76: Common core: why my daughter will not darken the door of public education.

Challenge: Finding an education program that isn't common core or Christian psycho babble.


Montessori. Great stuff.
 
2014-06-26 05:42:52 PM  
does submitter not realize that
a) it is now illegal for teachers unions to go on strike in some places (with penalties of fines or even jail time)
b) this protest is in opposition to using standardized testing to rate teachers,
http://www.jamievollmer.com/blueberries

subby you fail
/and your face fails
//and your mom
///you must've also failed school
 
2014-06-26 05:43:41 PM  

Aetre: Intrepid00: I still can't figure out the beef with common core. Someone tell me.

Common Core started out as a pretty awesome thing. See, the textbook industry plays to the largest market, which in the USA is Texas (you'd think it'd be California, but it's not. Long story.) So a bunch of states made a common curriculum and called it Common Core so that Texas alone couldn't just, say, decide that evolution was B.S. and make alternate textbooks based on this. The only problem: they decided to keep the single worst part of No Child Left Behind, which was the High-Stakes-Test, and implement it into Common Core. This has poisoned the water, so to speak. Teachers who would love to just be allowed to teach their subjects are instead beholden to Pearson's wording of specific test questions, and if your school district is unfortunate enough to not have chosen a Pearson textbook, well, they won't have the right wording to any of their questions, and students will be more likely to fail the state's tests.

Eliminate these tests, and Common Core doesn't turn out to be all that bad a thing; it's just a way of telling textbook companies, "This is what we're willing to teach." But as is, it's more of an invitation to textbook companies: "Sell us what we have to teach to keep our jobs."

And there's the problem.


In particular, school districts haven't been given any money to bring their curriculums into line with the new standards. This happens, and they've dealt with it for decades, but it's still an issue. "Your text books no longer conform to the standards. You'll lose funding if you don't come into compliance, but we're not giving you any money to do so, either. Have fun!"
 
2014-06-26 05:43:49 PM  

Wangiss: umad: B.L.Z. Bub: But seriously, I'm not exactly married to the idea of testing to evaluate teachers' performance. I'm open to alternative ideas, it's just that I have yet to hear any GOOD alternatives proposed.

Because there is no good alternative. The only way to know if a student learned anything is to ask them to demonstrate what they have learned.

I think we could hire a few dozen more administrators. Then we would have better teaching.


Lets re-direct some funds for the formation of a committee to look into that.
 
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