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(Telegraph)   Malaysia Airline CEO says the search for flight 370 could take decades. In related news, CNN announces its programming lineup for the next ten years   (telegraph.co.uk) divider line 26
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2014-06-26 05:33:37 PM
FTA:Mr Dunleavy, who is originally from Ealing, defended his company's Weeners to MH370's disappearance.
"People say, 'Why didn't you work quicker?' But you're calling pilots, explaining the situation, waiting for them to send out pings, doing the same to the next plane, then the next, and it's four in the morning, you don't have 50 people in the office, only a couple. An hour goes by frighteningly quickly - you realise that the missing plane is now another 600 miles somewhere else."

However, the airline's commercial boss criticised the Malaysian government for taking so long to reveal that the missing plane had turned back over the Malay peninsula towards the Strait of Malacca.

"Something untoward happened to that plane. I think it made a turn to come back, then a sequence of events overtook it, and it was unable to return to base," Mr Dunleavy told the Evening Standard.


That's the sanest theory I have heard regarding the whole affair so far.


"I only heard about this through the news," Mr Dunleavy said. "I'm thinking, really? You couldn't have told us that directly? Malaysia's air traffic control and military radar are in the same freakin' building. The military saw an aircraft turn and did nothing."


lulz, I guess it's time to add Malaysians to the chart. Or I guess its Malays?


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2014-06-26 06:27:34 PM
You know subs, this same joke can be on up to 3 headlines a day, and it still would just keep getting funnier.
 
2014-06-26 06:27:56 PM
Malaysia Airline CEO says search for flight 370 could take decades long enough that that we don't have to pay out the full compensation to families who we cant find anymore, or else the shareholders will fire me.
 
2014-06-26 06:32:37 PM
rapid decompression and toxic fumes due to fire in lithium ion batteries in cargo hold, a pilot losing consciousness puts a new heading into the auto pilot based on the original heading not on the altered one given to them 1 minute or so into the flight, pilots or someone else on board managed to regain consciousness enough to enter new way points (not just a new heading) into auto pilot before finally passing out. Plane kept flying on new programmed way points until it started to run out of fuel, and eventually broke up in a dive into the ocean.

/if it was a high-altitude break up, there should have been lots of floating naked bodies and small debris, so it probably smashed into the ocean
/or the Thais or Vietnam or China shot it down because of altered heading and are lying about it
/or aliens
 
2014-06-26 06:33:00 PM
I wonder if what happened isn't perhaps similar to what happened in 1999. Might just be wishful thinking on my part, thinking about a whole plane full of people conscious as they dove into the ocean freaks me out TBH.
 
2014-06-26 06:35:11 PM
Yknow, this isn't such a bad thing, and could fuel a new surge in ocean floor exploration, which would be beneficial to humanity as a whole in the long run.

Optimism hurts my head and heart less, at least.
 
2014-06-26 06:38:56 PM
Is there actually anybody with an above room temperature IQ level that watches CNN? I thought it was the news network for bored housewives and unemployed Marxists.
 
2014-06-26 06:43:02 PM

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: rapid decompression and toxic fumes due to fire in lithium ion batteries in cargo hold, a pilot losing consciousness puts a new heading into the auto pilot based on the original heading not on the altered one given to them 1 minute or so into the flight, pilots or someone else on board managed to regain consciousness enough to enter new way points (not just a new heading) into auto pilot before finally passing out.


That sentence made me pass out.
 
2014-06-26 06:43:08 PM

HairyNevus: I wonder if what happened isn't perhaps similar to what happened in 1999. Might just be wishful thinking on my part, thinking about a whole plane full of people conscious as they dove into the ocean freaks me out TBH.


Someone on Fark pointed me to this Mayday documentary about Helios Flight 522. Everybody on board except a flight attendant who had a pilots license  and had been in special forces were in comas from lack of oxygen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnqNT-Hw07A
 
2014-06-26 06:43:51 PM

Danger Avoid Death: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: rapid decompression and toxic fumes due to fire in lithium ion batteries in cargo hold, a pilot losing consciousness puts a new heading into the auto pilot based on the original heading not on the altered one given to them 1 minute or so into the flight, pilots or someone else on board managed to regain consciousness enough to enter new way points (not just a new heading) into auto pilot before finally passing out.

That sentence made me pass out.


Hey it came with peanuts.
 
2014-06-26 06:44:46 PM

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: rapid decompression and toxic fumes due to fire in lithium ion batteries in cargo hold, a pilot losing consciousness puts a new heading into the auto pilot based on the original heading not on the altered one given to them 1 minute or so into the flight, pilots or someone else on board managed to regain consciousness enough to enter new way points (not just a new heading) into auto pilot before finally passing out. Plane kept flying on new programmed way points until it started to run out of fuel, and eventually broke up in a dive into the ocean.

/if it was a high-altitude break up, there should have been lots of floating naked bodies and small debris, so it probably smashed into the ocean
/or the Thais or Vietnam or China shot it down because of altered heading and are lying about it
/or aliens


And who turned off the two transponders? One on one side of the cockpit, one on the other side.
It was either shot down or hijacked.
 
2014-06-26 06:46:53 PM
Not surprising at all.
 
2014-06-26 06:51:32 PM

tinyarena: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: rapid decompression and toxic fumes due to fire in lithium ion batteries in cargo hold, a pilot losing consciousness puts a new heading into the auto pilot based on the original heading not on the altered one given to them 1 minute or so into the flight, pilots or someone else on board managed to regain consciousness enough to enter new way points (not just a new heading) into auto pilot before finally passing out. Plane kept flying on new programmed way points until it started to run out of fuel, and eventually broke up in a dive into the ocean.

/if it was a high-altitude break up, there should have been lots of floating naked bodies and small debris, so it probably smashed into the ocean
/or the Thais or Vietnam or China shot it down because of altered heading and are lying about it
/or aliens

And who turned off the two transponders? One on one side of the cockpit, one on the other side.
It was either shot down or hijacked.


I'm not disagreeing with the idea the plane was hijacked. But

Transponders may need to be reset if they malfunction or in case of an electrical emergency.
Retired United Airlines pilot Ross Aimer said, "Where there's a possibility of fire or smoke, we need to be able to immediately turn that component off."


If there was a fire the primary transponder would have been switched off or may have failed and apparently, the other transponder wasn't active at the time the primary was turned off or failed.
 
2014-06-26 06:57:50 PM
They'll never find the plane.

/hopefully my curse works -- tend to become embarrassingly wrong about predictions like this
 
2014-06-26 07:06:44 PM

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: rapid decompression and toxic fumes due to fire in lithium ion batteries in cargo hold, a pilot losing consciousness puts a new heading into the auto pilot based on the original heading not on the altered one given to them 1 minute or so into the flight, pilots or someone else on board managed to regain consciousness enough to enter new way points (not just a new heading) into auto pilot before finally passing out. Plane kept flying on new programmed way points until it started to run out of fuel, and eventually broke up in a dive into the ocean.


Here we go again.

Any fire capable of taking out the transponder and the ACARS is going to take out the autopilot too. The autopilot is system of different processors placed all over the electronics bay. Every one must function or the autopilot will not engage or stay engaged.

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2014-06-26 07:07:01 PM

stampylives: Malaysia Airline CEO says search for flight 370 could take decades long enough that that we don't have to pay out the full compensation to families who we cant find anymore, or else the shareholders will fire me.


Habeas Corpus, man. For all we know that plane is in a holding pattern over Newark.
 
2014-06-26 07:12:10 PM

Yaw String: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: rapid decompression and toxic fumes due to fire in lithium ion batteries in cargo hold, a pilot losing consciousness puts a new heading into the auto pilot based on the original heading not on the altered one given to them 1 minute or so into the flight, pilots or someone else on board managed to regain consciousness enough to enter new way points (not just a new heading) into auto pilot before finally passing out. Plane kept flying on new programmed way points until it started to run out of fuel, and eventually broke up in a dive into the ocean.

Here we go again.

Any fire capable of taking out the transponder and the ACARS is going to take out the autopilot too. The autopilot is system of different processors placed all over the electronics bay. Every one must function or the autopilot will not engage or stay engaged.

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Transponders may need to be reset if they malfunction or in case of an electrical emergency.
Retired United Airlines pilot Ross Aimer said, "Where there's a possibility of fire or smoke, we need to be able to immediately turn that component off."


Where did I say the fire burned out the only transponder that was active? Apparently, switching off the transponder when there is smoke or fumes in the cockpit from fire is an option.
 
2014-06-26 07:15:40 PM

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: rapid decompression and toxic fumes due to fire in lithium ion batteries in cargo hold, a pilot losing consciousness puts a new heading into the auto pilot based on the original heading not on the altered one given to them 1 minute or so into the flight, pilots or someone else on board managed to regain consciousness enough to enter new way points (not just a new heading) into auto pilot before finally passing out. Plane kept flying on new programmed way points until it started to run out of fuel, and eventually broke up in a dive into the ocean.

/if it was a high-altitude break up, there should have been lots of floating naked bodies and small debris, so it probably smashed into the ocean
/or the Thais or Vietnam or China shot it down because of altered heading and are lying about it
/or aliens

www.chronicle.su
 
2014-06-26 08:29:23 PM

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Yaw String: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: rapid decompression and toxic fumes due to fire in lithium ion batteries in cargo hold, a pilot losing consciousness puts a new heading into the auto pilot based on the original heading not on the altered one given to them 1 minute or so into the flight, pilots or someone else on board managed to regain consciousness enough to enter new way points (not just a new heading) into auto pilot before finally passing out. Plane kept flying on new programmed way points until it started to run out of fuel, and eventually broke up in a dive into the ocean.

Here we go again.

Any fire capable of taking out the transponder and the ACARS is going to take out the autopilot too. The autopilot is system of different processors placed all over the electronics bay. Every one must function or the autopilot will not engage or stay engaged.

[i65.photobucket.com image 402x512]

[i65.photobucket.com image 554x307]

Transponders may need to be reset if they malfunction or in case of an electrical emergency.
Retired United Airlines pilot Ross Aimer said, "Where there's a possibility of fire or smoke, we need to be able to immediately turn that component off."

Where did I say the fire burned out the only transponder that was active? Apparently, switching off the transponder when there is smoke or fumes in the cockpit from fire is an option.


Dude, you do know, we all have the internets?

The "possibility of fire or smoke" refers to the transponder itself having a fault. Not the plane.

"It's rare for a pilot to turn off a transponder during flight, but occasionally there is cause.

- Sometimes a transponder malfunctions, giving out incorrect readings.

- The device could have an electrical short or catch on fire. Pilots would want to shut it down rather than risk a fire spreading to the rest of the cockpit or airplane.

- Pilots used to routinely turn off transponders on the ground at airports so as not to overwhelm air traffic controllers with so many signals in one location."


It was sudden and catastrophic.
 
2014-06-26 08:47:40 PM

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Yaw String: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: rapid decompression and toxic fumes due to fire in lithium ion batteries in cargo hold, a pilot losing consciousness puts a new heading into the auto pilot based on the original heading not on the altered one given to them 1 minute or so into the flight, pilots or someone else on board managed to regain consciousness enough to enter new way points (not just a new heading) into auto pilot before finally passing out. Plane kept flying on new programmed way points until it started to run out of fuel, and eventually broke up in a dive into the ocean.

Here we go again.

Any fire capable of taking out the transponder and the ACARS is going to take out the autopilot too. The autopilot is system of different processors placed all over the electronics bay. Every one must function or the autopilot will not engage or stay engaged.


Where did I say the fire burned out the only transponder that was active? Apparently, switching off the transponder when there is smoke or fumes in the cockpit from fire is an option.


Here is a link to Boeing 777 Quick Reference Handbook (QRH). To speed up your search Smoke/Fire or Fumes is in section 8.6

http://ebookbrowsee.net/777-quick-reference-handbook-qrh-rev15-22122 01 0-pdf-d286932076

Unless a specific system can be identified (ie smoke pouring out the transponder head), there is no checklist item that says "turn off transponder".

Just so we are clear, unless the crew  knows that a particular system is causing a fire, they don't just arbitrarily shut things off.
 
2014-06-26 09:02:47 PM
You know, people do strange things when there is little or no oxygen and toxic fumes, both due to fire--perhaps fire in the cockpit. My first sentence began with

rapid decompression and toxic fumes due to fire

That is not a standard situation which calls for routine procedures.
 
2014-06-26 09:41:20 PM

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: You know, people do strange things when there is little or no oxygen and toxic fumes, both due to fire--perhaps fire in the cockpit. My first sentence began with

rapid decompression and toxic fumes due to fire

That is not a standard situation which calls for routine procedures.


Ok, let's forget checklists, and go non-routine.

(I don't buy any of this, but for sake of argument)

Timeline says ACARS stopped transmitting. If it were due to fire, the avionics bay fire detection system would have alerted the crew. If a fire had started in forward or aft cargo bay due to lithium ion cargo, the fire detection system would have alerted the crew.

8 minutes later over the radio crew signs off from that sector's air traffic control without so much as a word about any fires, smoke etc.

Transponder goes off for whatever reason (turned off, failure, fire has flash-fried it) .

Crew for whatever reason (can't or won't) use radio to indicate they have a problem, but can and do instruct the FMS to make the turn and fly to a series of waypoints.

Smoke overwhelms them (even with quick donning O2 masks). But fire magically stops before damaging any of the required auto-pilot components.

Airplane is now "ghost" plane.

Here's the issue, when the FMS hits it's last waypoint, the flight director will continue to fly that heading. From the waypoints it was reported by Malaysian military to be tracking, it was heading to the northeast.  This means it wouldn't have turned south. The only way the autopilot is going to make a turn to the south is if it's told to. This requires human intervention.
 
2014-06-26 09:47:38 PM

Yaw String: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: 

Here's the issue, when the FMS hits it's last waypoint, the flight director will continue to fly that heading. From the waypoints it was reported by Malaysian military to be tracking, it was heading to the northeast.  This means it wouldn't have turned south. The only way the autopilot is going to make a turn to the south is if it's told to. This requires human intervention.


*northwest not northeast
 
2014-06-26 10:29:14 PM

Yaw String: Yaw String: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs:
Here's the issue, when the FMS hits it's last waypoint, the flight director will continue to fly that heading. From the waypoints it was reported by Malaysian military to be tracking, it was heading to the northeast.  This means it wouldn't have turned south. The only way the autopilot is going to make a turn to the south is if it's told to. This requires human intervention.

*northwest not northeast


That'll do Yaw, that'll do

And, to anyone reading this in China, as an American I am all too familiar with this type of tragedy.
I am sorry for your losses.
Rest in Peace Flight 370
 
2014-06-26 11:22:29 PM
I live in NZ and never watch CNN at all so I figured the whole 'CNN is still covering the plane all day' was a joke. Last night I unintentionally changed to CNN. farkING PLANE STORY.

Sad.
 
2014-06-27 01:45:14 PM
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