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2014-06-26 06:55:43 AM  
The home team is leading the statistics!
 
2014-06-26 07:39:56 AM  
Come on USA, you have one game left, you can win this.
 
2014-06-26 08:56:45 AM  
Boateng and Muntari have been suspended for today's game against Portugal.

https://eurosport.yahoo.com/news/world-cup-ghana-send-boateng-muntar i- home-world-110136779--sow.html
 
2014-06-26 09:00:46 AM  

grokca: Come on USA, you have one game left, you can win tie this.

Let's not get overconfident here.
 
2014-06-26 09:11:31 AM  

grokca: Come on USA, you have one game left, you can win this.


Just to make sure, the team has added two experts:

thesportsquotient.com
 
2014-06-26 09:20:41 AM  
Rest of world, we learned it from you.

We learned it from you.
 
2014-06-26 09:23:07 AM  
Yeah... I have to say that I'm not a soccer fan, but in watching the endless coverage over the last 72 months or so, I've seen a lot of shiat where there is barely any contact, the players hit each other equally hard, there was no contact at all, or the player that kept playing(without the flop) is the one that would have been injured had any actual injury occurred.

So my question is this: Why the fark do these people play soccer if they're that fragile? Also, why are people putting up with this shiat?
 
2014-06-26 09:23:29 AM  

EyeballKid: grokca: Come on USA, you have one game left, you can win this.

Just to make sure, the team has added two experts:

[thesportsquotient.com image 296x244]


A French guy and an Argentinian?

you should have at least gone with an American legend for this:
sports.cbsimg.net
 
2014-06-26 09:25:04 AM  
Dempseys broken nose would fit into the criteria so that's at least 2 or 3 min of the USA's time.
 
2014-06-26 09:25:54 AM  

mainstreet62: Boateng and Muntari have been suspended for today's game against Portugal.

https://eurosport.yahoo.com/news/world-cup-ghana-send-boateng-muntar i- home-world-110136779--sow.html


This is good news...for Obama
 
2014-06-26 09:26:44 AM  

Cheesehead_Dave: Rest of world, we learned it from you.

We learned it from you.


Even the guy that was bitten in the shoulder fell over like he was shot in the knee.
 
2014-06-26 09:28:35 AM  
TFA The Fastest "Injury" Yet: Enner Valencia, Ecuador. Against Honduras, Valencia was on the ground, clutching his leg after four seconds.

To be fair, from what I've seen of Honduras and their lumberjack, cut-them-down playing style, Valencia probably had a good reason to clutch his leg.
I'm also not surprised that Honduras is leading those stats, because pretending to be in pain is a common trick to avoid a booking after you've fouled someone ("Honest, accidental collision! I wouldn't be in pain if I had mowed him down intentionally").
 
2014-06-26 09:36:43 AM  

ChrisDe: Cheesehead_Dave: Rest of world, we learned it from you.

We learned it from you.

Even the guy that was bitten in the shoulder fell over like he was shot in the knee.


It's mostly to get the refs attention as he is watching the ball not every dude on the field. They're supposed to card flopping but I haven't seen it happen yet
 
2014-06-26 09:40:02 AM  
Seems like there was a little bit of rain in Recife last night...

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2014-06-26 09:44:41 AM  
The only relevant statistic is TWTW.
 
2014-06-26 09:49:47 AM  
There is a lot of flopping and exaggerations, but somebody sweeping the leg on you will hurt for a few minutes.
 
2014-06-26 09:51:45 AM  

koinbahd: Dempseys broken nose would fit into the criteria so that's at least 2 or 3 min of the USA's time.


Yeah, I was wondering which incidents are included in this tally. I wonder if it also includes Besler going down against Ghana since he played out the first half but was subbed out for the second half.
 
2014-06-26 09:51:54 AM  
This is why I am completely unapologetic for not giving a single flying fark about pro soccer, so long as this continues to be the status quo.
 
2014-06-26 09:54:02 AM  
Chewy Luis gets a whopping 9 matches/4 months? What the fark, FIFA?
 
2014-06-26 09:54:52 AM  

idesofmarch: This is why I am completely unapologetic for not giving a single flying fark about pro soccer, so long as this continues to be the status quo.


So I assume you don't watch the NFL, NBA, or NHL either?
 
2014-06-26 09:57:56 AM  

Mikey1969: Yeah... I have to say that I'm not a soccer fan, but in watching the endless coverage over the last 72 months or so, I've seen a lot of shiat where there is barely any contact, the players hit each other equally hard, there was no contact at all, or the player that kept playing(without the flop) is the one that would have been injured had any actual injury occurred.

So my question is this: Why the fark do these people play soccer if they're that fragile? Also, why are people putting up with this shiat?


The constant diving of some many is the worst thing that keeps happening to football. Strangely, it seems to be done just as much by players with great technic ability (see e.g. Ronaldo, Suarez, Robben). Fortunately, there are still those who'd rather continue playing than plead with the ref (Messi, Klose, Kuyt).

/usually
 
2014-06-26 09:59:17 AM  

MugzyBrown: idesofmarch: This is why I am completely unapologetic for not giving a single flying fark about pro soccer, so long as this continues to be the status quo.

So I assume you don't watch the NFL, NBA, or NHL either?


Is the fake injury thing nearly as bad in those sports?
 
2014-06-26 10:00:21 AM  
THose numbers for italy couldn;t POSSIBLY have included their last game.
 
2014-06-26 10:01:19 AM  

someonelse: Is the fake injury thing nearly as bad in those sports?


Same amount of diving flopping.. NHL has a lot of exaggerated injuries, just not as dramatic.
 
2014-06-26 10:01:38 AM  

UNC_Samurai: Chewy Luis gets a whopping 9 matches/4 months? What the fark, FIFA?


It's easy to justify anything when you're a group of corrupt assholes willing to do anything for the Benjamins.
 
2014-06-26 10:02:09 AM  

someonelse: MugzyBrown: idesofmarch: This is why I am completely unapologetic for not giving a single flying fark about pro soccer, so long as this continues to be the status quo.

So I assume you don't watch the NFL, NBA, or NHL either?

Is the fake injury thing nearly as bad in those sports?


I can't speak to the NFL or NBA since I don't watch either, but no, it is not AS big of a problem in hockey - not even close.
 
2014-06-26 10:04:30 AM  

idesofmarch: I can't speak to the NFL or NBA since I don't watch either, but no, it is not AS big of a problem in hockey - not even close.


hehe yeah, like everytime a stick comes near a player's face they don't go down on the ice covering their face like they lost an eye and don't miss the next shift.
 
2014-06-26 10:04:57 AM  

idesofmarch: someonelse: MugzyBrown: idesofmarch: This is why I am completely unapologetic for not giving a single flying fark about pro soccer, so long as this continues to be the status quo.

So I assume you don't watch the NFL, NBA, or NHL either?

Is the fake injury thing nearly as bad in those sports?

I can't speak to the NFL or NBA since I don't watch either, but no, it is not AS big of a problem in hockey - not even close.


I don't think the NFL comes close either, from my admittedly limited perspective.
 
2014-06-26 10:06:27 AM  
and in the NBA, isn't it the Europeans that do most of the flopping? (granted the US superstars draw fouls if an opponent breathes on them, so maybe the US superstars don't need to flop as much)
 
2014-06-26 10:06:58 AM  

someonelse: I don't think the NFL comes close either, from my admittedly limited perspective.


Well there is tons of diving in the NFL, typically from WRs trying to get a flag.

You get fake injuries used to stop a no-huddle offense.

Several times a game a player will lay on the ground for 2-3 minutes, walk off and come back in the game a play or two later.

You don't get the dramatics of a soccer player, but all of the ingredients are still there.
 
2014-06-26 10:06:58 AM  

Serious Black: UNC_Samurai: Chewy Luis gets a whopping 9 matches/4 months? What the fark, FIFA?

It's easy to justify anything when you're a group of corrupt assholes willing to do anything for the Benjamins.


Theirs a "bite the neck that feeds them" joke in there, but I need more coffee first.
 
2014-06-26 10:08:37 AM  
Suarez suspended for 9 matches/4 months.
 
2014-06-26 10:11:01 AM  

MugzyBrown: idesofmarch: I can't speak to the NFL or NBA since I don't watch either, but no, it is not AS big of a problem in hockey - not even close.

hehe yeah, like everytime a stick comes near a player's face they don't go down on the ice covering their face like they lost an eye and don't miss the next shift.


I think you exaggerate a little, but I admit there is a problem - it's just not as flagrant.  Besides, what penalties are there in soccer for flopping? At least in hockey you do get an embellishment penalty called once in a while.
 
2014-06-26 10:12:40 AM  

idesofmarch: I think you exaggerate a little, but I admit there is a problem - it's just not as flagrant.  Besides, what penalties are there in soccer for flopping? At least in hockey you do get an embellishment penalty called once in a while


You can get a yellow for flopping in soccer.

In the NHL I've never seen an embellishment penalty called without a penalty on the other team called.
 
2014-06-26 10:15:35 AM  
By the way, I think the diving is soccer is quite annoying and there should be something done to stop it.. I can think of several ways, but Americans who dismiss soccer for flopping are hypocrites.

Like baseball fans saying they don't watch soccer because there's too much down time play in midfield.


There is a large segment of Americans who don't like soccer because they feel it makes them more American or something.  They're just idiots.

I like and dislike all sorts of sports, and that's fine, but people keep coming up with these idiotic reasons to not like soccer like its a badge of honor.
 
2014-06-26 10:16:36 AM  

someonelse: Is the fake injury thing nearly as bad in those sports?


Nowhere near as bad.  The NBA would be 2nd....NHL is 3rd...but most of those flops in the NHL are Cindy Crosby.
 
2014-06-26 10:17:24 AM  

MugzyBrown: someonelse: I don't think the NFL comes close either, from my admittedly limited perspective.

Well there is tons of diving in the NFL, typically from WRs trying to get a flag.

You get fake injuries used to stop a no-huddle offense.

Several times a game a player will lay on the ground for 2-3 minutes, walk off and come back in the game a play or two later.

You don't get the dramatics of a soccer player, but all of the ingredients are still there.


Yeah, it does happen in the NFL. But it does seem to me that the problem is much worse in soccer. Maybe it's just that the faking is so much more dramatic, so it seems worse. It could be they just need acting lessons to make it more believable.
 
2014-06-26 10:18:19 AM  

UNC_Samurai: Chewy Luis gets a whopping 9 matches/4 months? What the fark, FIFA?


4 months of ALL football is huge and costly. Of course, he was suspended to start last season(?) and he still dominated.
 
2014-06-26 10:19:41 AM  

MugzyBrown: I like and dislike all sorts of sports, and that's fine, but people keep coming up with these idiotic reasons to not like soccer like its a badge of honor.


Well, that, and because it's tantalizingly easy to get soccer fans in a snit.
 
2014-06-26 10:19:52 AM  

MugzyBrown: idesofmarch: I think you exaggerate a little, but I admit there is a problem - it's just not as flagrant.  Besides, what penalties are there in soccer for flopping? At least in hockey you do get an embellishment penalty called once in a while

You can get a yellow for flopping in soccer.

In the NHL I've never seen an embellishment penalty called without a penalty on the other team called.


Yeah, the NHL needs to work on that - no doubt. Soccer, on the other hand, strikes me as a lost cause, what with FIFA being more corrupt than the LAPD.
 
2014-06-26 10:20:13 AM  

slayer199: someonelse: Is the fake injury thing nearly as bad in those sports?

Nowhere near as bad.  The NBA would be 2nd....NHL is 3rd...but most of those flops in the NHL are Cindy Crosby.


Barely beating out Mr. Subban
 
2014-06-26 10:21:25 AM  
Soccer used to be much more physical. If you watch highlights of matches from the 80's and before, you will see tackles that would lead to yellow cards today treated like normal play. It seemed like every team in those eras had a guy whose sole job was to kick lumps out of the opponent. There was a big change in how the sport was refereed during the 90's. I guess this was to protect players, but I feel we have gone to far in that direction now. Soccer is, or should be, a contact sport.
 
2014-06-26 10:21:52 AM  

someonelse: Yeah, it does happen in the NFL. But it does seem to me that the problem is much worse in soccer. Maybe it's just that the faking is so much more dramatic, so it seems worse. It could be they just need acting lessons to make it more believable.


It's a nature of the rules of the game.  In soccer a 'bad' foul gets a yellow / red which is a big deal... plus with the amount of padding on an NFL player, it's not as believable for somebody to grab their face when it's covered in a cage and a plastic visor.

But the big penalties, like pass interference, is where you see the big dives, the arms flailing, the mimic of the flag throw, the QB pointing and throwing his hands up.  It's all quite annoying.
 
2014-06-26 10:24:25 AM  

SigmaAlgebra: Soccer used to be much more physical. If you watch highlights of matches from the 80's and before, you will see tackles that would lead to yellow cards today treated like normal play. It seemed like every team in those eras had a guy whose sole job was to kick lumps out of the opponent. There was a big change in how the sport was refereed during the 90's. I guess this was to protect players, but I feel we have gone to far in that direction now. Soccer is, or should be, a contact sport.


I'm sure FIFA is itching to jump on the concussion lawsuit bandwagon
 
2014-06-26 10:30:02 AM  

altside: Barely beating out Mr. Subban


Tons of guys take dives.. Subban stands out in my mind for skating around desperately trying to show the refs he is bleeding somewhere.
 
2014-06-26 10:35:34 AM  

MugzyBrown: the mimic of the flag throw


I feel like this should be a 5-yard penalty, regardless of whether there should be a flag or not.
 
2014-06-26 10:36:01 AM  

Lost Thought 00: SigmaAlgebra: Soccer used to be much more physical. If you watch highlights of matches from the 80's and before, you will see tackles that would lead to yellow cards today treated like normal play. It seemed like every team in those eras had a guy whose sole job was to kick lumps out of the opponent. There was a big change in how the sport was refereed during the 90's. I guess this was to protect players, but I feel we have gone to far in that direction now. Soccer is, or should be, a contact sport.

I'm sure FIFA is itching to jump on the concussion lawsuit bandwagon


More shredded knees and broken bones than concussions, to be fair. I am not advocating a return to the days of Norman Hunter and company, but I think there is a median to be found between that era and the one we have now where referees are so eager to blow their whistles that players find it worthwhile to dive upon any contact.
 
2014-06-26 10:47:03 AM  

SigmaAlgebra: More shredded knees and broken bones than concussions, to be fair. I am not advocating a return to the days of Norman Hunter and company, but I think there is a median to be found between that era and the one we have now where referees are so eager to blow their whistles that players find it worthwhile to dive upon any contact


The last thing you want is more players having their legs taken out.

All you need is the 4th official reviewing fouls and giving out cards for dives.  He's not doing anything most of the game anyway.  You don't even have to stop the game, he can radio to the ref that #8 gets a card for flopping 5min ago and it's done.

I say auto Red for a flop in the box.
 
2014-06-26 10:49:22 AM  

altside: slayer199: someonelse: Is the fake injury thing nearly as bad in those sports?

Nowhere near as bad.  The NBA would be 2nd....NHL is 3rd...but most of those flops in the NHL are Cindy Crosby.

Barely beating out Mr. Subban


Brad Marchant and Alex Burrows says "Hey guys!  I think you forgot about us!"
 
2014-06-26 10:52:35 AM  
The faking injuries when one's ahead to waste time doesn't annoy me nearly enough as the faking injuries for penalties.  Thats what I hate the most about soccer (and Sidney Crosby).
 
2014-06-26 10:53:20 AM  

MugzyBrown: All you need is the 4th official reviewing fouls and giving out cards for dives.  He's not doing anything most of the game anyway.  You don't even have to stop the game, he can radio to the ref that #8 gets a card for flopping 5min ago and it's done.

I say auto Red for a flop in the box.


I like this whole post. A very clean idea. And if a PK or free kick was given, immediate whistle and give it back the other way.
 
2014-06-26 10:58:14 AM  
As a soccer fan I can understand the idea of going down to get a free kick.  I don't like it, but I can understand it, especially if you have a talent like Messi who can put a free kick into the goal up and over a wall of defenders.  What I can't understand is the rolling around, writhing in supposed agony, it's just embarrassing to watch.
 
2014-06-26 11:05:46 AM  

SigmaAlgebra: Soccer used to be much more physical. If you watch highlights of matches from the 80's and before, you will see tackles that would lead to yellow cards today treated like normal play. It seemed like every team in those eras had a guy whose sole job was to kick lumps out of the opponent. There was a big change in how the sport was refereed during the 90's. I guess this was to protect players, but I feel we have gone to far in that direction now. Soccer is, or should be, a contact sport.


Yep, if  you ever read the old cartoons, I much prefer the Andy Capp style
 
2014-06-26 11:07:16 AM  

KJUW89: As a soccer fan I can understand the idea of going down to get a free kick.  I don't like it, but I can understand it, especially if you have a talent like Messi who can put a free kick into the goal up and over a wall of defenders.  What I can't understand is the rolling around, writhing in supposed agony, it's just embarrassing to watch.


I agree, but sometimes it probably actually hurts to get kicked really hard in the back of the leg or smash heads with somebody.

Every bang you head? It hurts really bad for 30 seconds and then it starts to go away.
 
2014-06-26 11:31:01 AM  

MugzyBrown: SigmaAlgebra: More shredded knees and broken bones than concussions, to be fair. I am not advocating a return to the days of Norman Hunter and company, but I think there is a median to be found between that era and the one we have now where referees are so eager to blow their whistles that players find it worthwhile to dive upon any contact

The last thing you want is more players having their legs taken out.

All you need is the 4th official reviewing fouls and giving out cards for dives.  He's not doing anything most of the game anyway.  You don't even have to stop the game, he can radio to the ref that #8 gets a card for flopping 5min ago and it's done.

I say auto Red for a flop in the box.


I agree with this concept. The refs will whine and say it promotes second guessing, but I say fark them. Show them a few critical games full of ref errors, dopeslap them, and tell them to eat their orange slices while the grown-ups are talking.
 
2014-06-26 11:49:24 AM  

LucklessWonder: I feel like this should be a 5-yard penalty, regardless of whether there should be a flag or not.


Rather than add a penalty to the game, let's just make it so if you make the gesture, it's considered a declination of any penalty that may be assessed against the defense.

/but IMO the most damning thing in the article is the pointing out that teams that are ahead spend 4x the time faking their injuries
 
2014-06-26 12:23:11 PM  
Cloooooooooooose.
 
2014-06-26 12:41:13 PM  
I agree replay is really the only thing that can couteract flopping. I really don't know how the referees at the moment keep a handle on things as well as they do. It's hared enough at home - by the third replay angle its usually pretty obvious.

I'd like to see MLS implement instant replay - as a way to show the world that it could be done. I know FIFA won't do much - and I appreciate the fact that they want the same officiating between qualifiers between Papua New Guinea and Micronesia as in the final - but cmon  the stink of corruption is around the finals now more than ever - and a single referee can impact millions upon millions of gambling dollars.

As for the other sports - as an Eagles fan the number of lineman who dropped to the turf last season when facing the mega hurry up offense was ridiculous - I'm guessing it would have put the redskins at least mid table, if not higher, in terms of time.

Here's plenty of basketball flops (ifeel dirty - buzzfeed link):

http://www.buzzfeed.com/pepsimax/11-goofy-basketball-flop-gifs-7tkk
 
2014-06-26 12:47:15 PM  

MugzyBrown: idesofmarch: I can't speak to the NFL or NBA since I don't watch either, but no, it is not AS big of a problem in hockey - not even close.

hehe yeah, like everytime a stick comes near a player's face they don't go down on the ice covering their face like they lost an eye and don't miss the next shift.


To be fair, you are talking about hockey. If a player actually lost an eye and they could get the bleeding stopped in time, they probably WOULD be on the ice for the next shift.
 
2014-06-26 02:15:52 PM  
There was a video a few months back of a rugby player flopping after minor contact, the ref was actually laughing at him along with his own teammates.
 
2014-06-26 07:16:13 PM  
Good one, subby.
 
2014-06-26 09:54:53 PM  

UNC_Samurai: Chewy Luis gets a whopping 9 matches/4 months? What the fark, FIFA?


9 *international* matches, and 4 months banned from anything involving professional soccer (including Premier League and Champion's League matches, and a ban on entering any soccer stadium), which means no pay for that portion of his season salary, but I agree, 4 months was too short, it should have been 6 months and 20 matches, *and* a nice big fat fine.
 
2014-06-26 10:13:10 PM  

MugzyBrown: I agree, but sometimes it probably actually hurts to get kicked really hard in the back of the leg or smash heads with somebody


I played soccer for the majority of my life, a lot of it as a goalkeeper.  I have no problem with real injuries, like knocking heads, but so many of the alleged injuries are not real.  Plus getting kicked in the legs doesn't really hurt that much, unless they catch your ankle.  Shin guards do wonders...
 
2014-06-27 12:17:41 AM  

KJUW89: MugzyBrown: I agree, but sometimes it probably actually hurts to get kicked really hard in the back of the leg or smash heads with somebody

I played soccer for the majority of my life, a lot of it as a goalkeeper.  I have no problem with real injuries, like knocking heads, but so many of the alleged injuries are not real.  Plus getting kicked in the legs doesn't really hurt that much, unless they catch your ankle.  Shin guards do wonders...


Sort of CSB, but...

I worked for a lower-division team (USL PDL) for several seasons, and for some reason, almost every single midfielder or forward I ran into would wear the smallest shin guards they could get away with under the rules. Defenders tended to wear somewhat larger ones, and goalkeepers always had the biggest ones on the team. I'm not sure if it was the weight or the bulk, but for whatever reason, it was consistent even with the massive player turnover from season to season.

By comparison, as a rec-league goalkeeper, I wear the biggest and strongest ones I could find (with ankle caps, too), so I shrug off a lot of ankle and shin whacks that would have landed on skin under the socks for most of those players. That said, getting your foot stepped on by a cleat at full sprint, or getting kicked in the Achilles tendon still hurts like a mofo for a couple minutes. The writhing around like a landed fish holding the face that these guys are doing is definitely gamesmanship, but a lot of the ankle-grabbing is at least probably momentary real pain.

/end CSB
 
2014-06-27 12:56:41 AM  

MugzyBrown: SigmaAlgebra: More shredded knees and broken bones than concussions, to be fair. I am not advocating a return to the days of Norman Hunter and company, but I think there is a median to be found between that era and the one we have now where referees are so eager to blow their whistles that players find it worthwhile to dive upon any contact

The last thing you want is more players having their legs taken out.

All you need is the 4th official reviewing fouls and giving out cards for dives.  He's not doing anything most of the game anyway.  You don't even have to stop the game, he can radio to the ref that #8 gets a card for flopping 5min ago and it's done.

I say auto Red for a flop in the box.


Hmm. If you go that route, you need to add some sort of gesture or something for players to use when they just tripped, so they aren't getting red cards for trying to make a play and falling because you made a cut at top speed. Using the signal would negate any penalty against the other team, but would also protect the player from diving charges.
 
2014-06-27 11:26:08 AM  
Official Flopping Ranking in American Team Sports (scientifically measured by how much it pisses me off and how frequently it happens):

1. Futbol/Soccer
2. NBA
3. NHL
4. American Football
5. Baseball

There is a huge gap between #1 and 2, and even bigger gap between #2 and 3.  Flopping in football is typically limited to defensive players exaggerating holding by the offensive line and feigning injuries when they are too tired to move down the field on a big play.  Flopping does not happen in baseball, as there are no 'fouls'.  So Baseball is the manliest sport by definition.
 
2014-06-27 12:03:39 PM  

killdawabbitt: So Baseball is the manliest sport by definition.


Yeah, those 4 hour Yankee/Red-Sox games are SO farkING EXCITING. -
 
2014-06-27 03:23:13 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: killdawabbitt: So Baseball is the manliest sport by definition.

Yeah, those 4 hour Yankee/Red-Sox games are SO farkING EXCITING. -


Well, if soccer is the metric you are using for excitement, baseball is like Chainsaw Jousting on Rhinos.

//BTW, I dig the D&R pdocast you rec'd so thanks.
 
2014-06-27 03:34:38 PM  

Big Beef Burrito: Jim from Saint Paul: killdawabbitt: So Baseball is the manliest sport by definition.

Yeah, those 4 hour Yankee/Red-Sox games are SO farkING EXCITING. -

Well, if soccer is the metric you are using for excitement, baseball is like Chainsaw Jousting on Rhinos.

//BTW, I dig the D&R pdocast you rec'd so thanks.


Glad you liked it.

And I would watch a 2 hour soccer game on a national level over any regular season ball game by any team.

And I couldn;t tell you much of anything about soccer beyond the World Cup.
 
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