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(Fox News)   Andrei, you've lost another submarine?   (foxnews.com) divider line 133
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2014-06-26 01:48:08 AM  
4.bp.blogspot.com Also missing a submarine.
 
2014-06-26 07:24:51 AM  

JoieD'Zen: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 235x209] Also missing a submarine.


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You don't record e-mails in doubly.
 
2014-06-26 08:54:30 AM  
Perhaps Republicans should put in a line item to increase the IT budgets for those departments.
 
2014-06-26 08:55:02 AM  
Just further evidence that email backups are the least important thing in all of government. The government never needs to cover their butt like ordinary businesses do. They're the regulators, the police.

So, the only thing that archived email could ever do is expose incompetence, grotesque incompetence, or full-on malfeasance. And who needs that? So, email archival will always be a low priority. Hard drives will always "crash", and there will never be enough space to store all the emails (cough bullsh*t cough).

Oh, I nearly forgot... and Bush did it too, so it's all good.
 
2014-06-26 08:55:52 AM  
Either the government is using Gateways from 1995 or they are just trolling now. Which is fine by me.
 
2014-06-26 08:56:51 AM  

Lost Thought 00: Perhaps Republicans should put in a line item to increase the IT budgets for those departments.


do you think another billion will help?
 
2014-06-26 08:57:23 AM  

Yakk: the government is using Gateways from 1995


That wouldn't surprise me.
 
2014-06-26 08:59:56 AM  
Doesn't the NSA have a copy of them somewhere?
 
2014-06-26 08:59:58 AM  

Destructor: Just further evidence that email backups are the least important thing in all of government. The government never needs to cover their butt like ordinary businesses do. They're the regulators, the police.


The difference between ordinary businesses and government is that the people who run those businesses are the same people who control the pursestrings.
 
2014-06-26 09:01:34 AM  

Mrbogey: Lost Thought 00: Perhaps Republicans should put in a line item to increase the IT budgets for those departments.

do you think another billion will help?


Why, how much do you think is reasonable to spend on this?
 
2014-06-26 09:03:24 AM  
Nobody cares. Seriously.

This is SOP at this point. If they actually wanted to do something about the issue they would have by now. This set up benefits everyone in government.
 
2014-06-26 09:03:52 AM  
This reminds me when the Republicans were so outraged that the Bush White House lost over 5 million emails. Man, those guys were so angry back then.

/Let's see...400 West Wing staffers over 7 years of service...That's an average of 12,500 emails lost per staffer.
 
2014-06-26 09:07:13 AM  
I don't appreciate the press' lack of candor in the metter.
 
2014-06-26 09:07:56 AM  
Whoops. Dictionary fail.
 
2014-06-26 09:11:57 AM  
Sorry, Darryl, it's getting to the point where yes, everyone IS in contempt of Congress and you in particular. When you go on all these fishing expeditions, subpoenaing records, paperwork, E-mails, and data, calling witnesses who have better things to do than let you rant and rave at them for a few hours while accomplishing nothing, then you're going to see your power and influence diminish in a significant way. You may have the letter of the law on your side, but not the respect of the people, and at that point, everyone will do the bare minimum and sometimes less simply because you're now a paper tiger.

So keep on with your badass self and keep undermining the integrity and authority of the Senate. By the time you're done, people won't even answer the phone when you call.
 
2014-06-26 09:13:23 AM  

gnosis301: I don't appreciate the press' lack of candor in the metter.


gnosis301: Whoops. Dictionary fail.


Nah, don't sweat it.

If you read it in a South African accent, it sounds perfectly fine.
 
2014-06-26 09:14:24 AM  

Lost Thought 00: Perhaps Republicans should put in a line item to increase the IT budgets for those departments.


You don't understand Republican math. You increase funding by cutting funding. Cutting the IT budget in half will double the budget.
 
2014-06-26 09:24:24 AM  
beldar.blogs.com

Strangely appropriate
 
2014-06-26 09:25:19 AM  
That's it. Obama just lost my vote.
 
2014-06-26 09:26:38 AM  
Events like hard drive crashes are part of the reason things are backed up to tape.
If you're going after things that are no longer on the backups, you can't be surprised when there are gaps.

If you want longer backups then legislate it and fund it.
 
2014-06-26 09:28:29 AM  
Darryl's a very smart guy.

Here's his email procedure until recently. You could see his confusion about losing a paper trail, fishing expeditions.

1. Dictate statement to female office worker.
2. She types it up and then returns a copy on paper.
3. The copy is scanned and the image printed and sent downstairs to the technical staff in their white coats.
4. The uniformed staff optically scans the image into a file and "reads" the file into a text file.
5. The text file is sent by means of a binary system, similar to the binary concept of Morse code. We believe its a little faster.
6. The sending agency expects an unwinding of the preceding steps, with more endowed women, technicians using machines with flashing lights and smoke from dry ice.
Bless his little heart.
 
2014-06-26 09:29:52 AM  

GhostFish: If you want longer backups then legislate it and fund it.


They don't want longer backups. They want to score political points by ginning up phony scandals.
 
2014-06-26 09:31:07 AM  

Eagle2001: Doesn't the NSA have a copy of them somewhere?


You would think :)
 
2014-06-26 09:31:24 AM  

JerkStore: Sorry, Darryl, it's getting to the point where yes, everyone IS in contempt of Congress and you in particular. When you go on all these fishing expeditions, subpoenaing records, paperwork, E-mails, and data, calling witnesses who have better things to do than let you rant and rave at them for a few hours while accomplishing nothing, then you're going to see your power and influence diminish in a significant way. You may have the letter of the law on your side, but not the respect of the people, and at that point, everyone will do the bare minimum and sometimes less simply because you're now a paper tiger.

So keep on with your badass self and keep undermining the integrity and authority of the Senate. By the time you're done, people won't even answer the phone when you call.


In a very crowded field, Issa wins "Most Loathsome Legislative Member"
 
2014-06-26 09:32:38 AM  

BitwiseShift: 5. The text file is sent by means of a binary system, similar to the binary concept of Morse code. We believe its a little faster.


Morse code isn't binary.
 
2014-06-26 09:33:42 AM  

Yakk: Eagle2001: Doesn't the NSA have a copy of them somewhere?

You would think :)


Oh, yeah, that would make it better for the NSA:  Proving to everyone that they monitor the communications of the government itself.
 
2014-06-26 09:37:07 AM  

Eagle2001: Doesn't the NSA have a copy of them somewhere?


Exactly what I said about the IRS emails.  They claim to be capturing everything, so it would be hilarious to watch another government office go to them to get copies of their stuff.  If they cough it up, they look sinister.  If they claim they don't have it, they look incompetent.  Either way, it's entertaining!
 
2014-06-26 09:38:04 AM  
Issa makes McCarthy look like an underachiever.

that statement works two ways.
 
2014-06-26 09:39:08 AM  
They learned from Nixon: it's better to burn the tapes.
 
2014-06-26 09:41:06 AM  
Issa needs to seriously go choke on a bag of dicks until he suffocates.
 
2014-06-26 09:48:06 AM  

dittybopper: BitwiseShift: 5. The text file is sent by means of a binary system, similar to the binary concept of Morse code. We believe its a little faster.

Morse code isn't binary.


Don't tell Issa that or he'll suppoena you to find out why it's not and get all flustered when you can't find the emails to prove it.
 
2014-06-26 09:51:44 AM  
Oh! Good headline subby. Come take a bow
 
2014-06-26 09:54:52 AM  

HugsAndPuppies: Eagle2001: Doesn't the NSA have a copy of them somewhere?

Exactly what I said about the IRS emails.  They claim to be capturing everything, so it would be hilarious to watch another government office go to them to get copies of their stuff.  If they cough it up, they look sinister.  If they claim they don't have it, they look incompetent.  Either way, it's entertaining!


When did they claim to be capturing everything? Metadata, sure. But maintaining copies of full correspondences for everyone would be something else altogether.
 
2014-06-26 09:55:49 AM  

KingKauff: Oh! Good headline subby. Come take a bow


Actually, subby needs a stern warning.
 
2014-06-26 09:56:51 AM  

KingKauff: dittybopper: BitwiseShift: 5. The text file is sent by means of a binary system, similar to the binary concept of Morse code. We believe its a little faster.

Morse code isn't binary.

Don't tell Issa that or he'll suppoena you to find out why it's not and get all flustered when you can't find the emails to prove it.


You can't subpoena a bot.
 
2014-06-26 09:58:22 AM  

Yakk: Either the government is using Gateways from 1995 or they are just trolling now. Which is fine by me.


The scheduling computer system at the VA is from 1985! When congress (both parties) keep budgets low, and the process for approving and building new systems is a government bureaucracy you can't expect modern computer systems.
 
2014-06-26 10:09:15 AM  

sdd2000: Yakk: Either the government is using Gateways from 1995 or they are just trolling now. Which is fine by me.

The scheduling computer system at the VA is from 1985! When congress (both parties) keep budgets low, and the process for approving and building new systems is a government bureaucracy you can't expect modern computer systems.


And users are accesssing it through Citrix WinView, and I've personally seen XP running on most of those machines (they are starting to upgrade to 7)
 
2014-06-26 10:09:32 AM  
Even if they are right it does not matter

We cannot let Republicans get any kind of win

They are farking up this country so bad that we need to ensure that they do as little damage as possible
 
2014-06-26 10:13:30 AM  

Mrbogey: Lost Thought 00: Perhaps Republicans should put in a line item to increase the IT budgets for those departments.

do you think another billion will help?


Wasn't there talk of Obama wanting to spend something like $1T to create a Federal IT department or standardize/upgrade all of the Federales' IT?

// IIRC, what we got out of that request was the sequester and the shutdown
 
2014-06-26 10:19:00 AM  

Arkanaut: Why, how much do you think is reasonable to spend on this?


Under half of one of these. IT needs to get with the program and find avenues to weaponize  email systems. Their budgets will explode.
 
2014-06-26 10:22:21 AM  

Destructor: Just further evidence that email backups are the least important thing in all of government. The government never needs to cover their butt like ordinary businesses do. They're the regulators, the police.

So, the only thing that archived email could ever do is expose incompetence, grotesque incompetence, or full-on malfeasance. And who needs that? So, email archival will always be a low priority. Hard drives will always "crash", and there will never be enough space to store all the emails (cough bullsh*t cough).

Oh, I nearly forgot... and Bush did it too, so it's all good.


Something tells me businesses aren't really doing any better.  Oh, they can blow smoke up your ass about how they're so much more efficient than the government, but if they actually had to produce any of these backups they would have no more success than what we've seen from the IRS, the EPA, etc.
 
2014-06-26 10:22:44 AM  

sdd2000: Yakk: Either the government is using Gateways from 1995 or they are just trolling now. Which is fine by me.

The scheduling computer system at the VA is from 1985! When congress (both parties) keep budgets low, and the process for approving and building new systems is a government bureaucracy you can't expect modern computer systems.


By "scheduling system", that could mean any number of things.

For example, just a quick glance at the audit trail from a program that I use on a semi-regular basis here at work shows it was originally written in 1989.  It's been modified and improved and updated since then, but it's the same basic "system".

I just did this in one subdirectory of the system at work:

grep 198[0-9] *.*

I got a whole bunch of programs that originally date to the 1980's.  Doesn't mean that we're stuck in the 1980's, just that the system was originally written back then.
 
2014-06-26 10:25:10 AM  

Eagle2001: Doesn't the NSA have a copy of them somewhere?


The Chinese could probably cough up an archive or two.
 
2014-06-26 10:25:48 AM  

Destructor: Just further evidence that email backups are the least important thing in all of government. The government never needs to cover their butt like ordinary businesses do. They're the regulators, the police.

So, the only thing that archived email could ever do is expose incompetence, grotesque incompetence, or full-on malfeasance. And who needs that? So, email archival will always be a low priority. Hard drives will always "crash", and there will never be enough space to store all the emails (cough bullsh*t cough).

Oh, I nearly forgot... and Bush did it too, so it's all good.


You don't think private businesses lose archived emails or files all the time...?
 
2014-06-26 10:28:55 AM  

dittybopper: BitwiseShift: 5. The text file is sent by means of a binary system, similar to the binary concept of Morse code. We believe its a little faster.

Morse code isn't binary.


Uhhh....yeah it is.
 
2014-06-26 10:30:07 AM  

GhostFish: HugsAndPuppies: Eagle2001: Doesn't the NSA have a copy of them somewhere?

Exactly what I said about the IRS emails.  They claim to be capturing everything, so it would be hilarious to watch another government office go to them to get copies of their stuff.  If they cough it up, they look sinister.  If they claim they don't have it, they look incompetent.  Either way, it's entertaining!

When did they claim to be capturing everything? Metadata, sure. But maintaining copies of full correspondences for everyone would be something else altogether.


But maintaining copies of full correspondences for everyone would be something else.
 
2014-06-26 10:31:14 AM  
ATF selling guns to the cartels all on their own. Marshal service swooping in and seizing documents released under the FOIA related to warrantless witretapping and stinger devices all on their own, IRS targeting conservative groups all on their own, VA letting veterans die due to not treating them all on their own.

What are the odds that a sitting president would have so many agencies going rogue and no oversight from anyone above them within the same 6 year span.......
 
2014-06-26 10:34:42 AM  

Dr. Speed: JerkStore: Sorry, Darryl, it's getting to the point where yes, everyone IS in contempt of Congress and you in particular. When you go on all these fishing expeditions, subpoenaing records, paperwork, E-mails, and data, calling witnesses who have better things to do than let you rant and rave at them for a few hours while accomplishing nothing, then you're going to see your power and influence diminish in a significant way. You may have the letter of the law on your side, but not the respect of the people, and at that point, everyone will do the bare minimum and sometimes less simply because you're now a paper tiger.

So keep on with your badass self and keep undermining the integrity and authority of the Senate. By the time you're done, people won't even answer the phone when you call.

In a very crowded field, Issa wins "Most Loathsome Legislative Member"


Bullshiat. Name one, ONE, republican congressman or major media figure that has called him out. Republicans, all of them, love the guy.
 
2014-06-26 10:37:27 AM  

Poot beer: dittybopper: BitwiseShift: 5. The text file is sent by means of a binary system, similar to the binary concept of Morse code. We believe its a little faster.

Morse code isn't binary.

Uhhh....yeah it is.


Examined solely on the basis of "I know nothing about transmitting Morse code", it doesn't seem to be binary. Maybe ternary:
0 means "no signal"
1 means "dot"
2 means "dash"

Unless "no signal" is meaningless - is there a "message begins" and a "message ends" code, or does it just start with "Hello world" (or "DEAR JOHN STOP" or whatever)?

// now I'm actually curious
 
2014-06-26 10:38:45 AM  

Poot beer: Uhhh....yeah it is.


There are five character elements in Morse code.  Binary only allows for two.
 
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