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2014-06-26 11:47:09 AM

White_Scarf_Syndrome: But go ahead and paint me as some paranoid nut job.

You get accosted once in a vulnerable spot like a red light with your kid, you do something about it.

Or you can just sit and be uncomfortable. Moving isn't an option. I like it here. But I'm being painted as some nut job because of ONE incident in which I acted rationally to some dick banging on my car with my kid inside.

Whatever.

(earlier)

fark that.  It wears on you when it's several times a day every single day.  I like it here but there are some really really screwed up things about Austin.  Also the hipsters.  Don't even get me started.


So... which is it.  Once?  Or several times a day every single day?
 
2014-06-26 11:49:35 AM

Secret Master of All Flatulence: Chummer45:  But I am anti gun-culture/gun lobby.  The thing that I find so disturbing about the gun culture in the US is that it is something that was relatively recently invented and perpetuated by the gun industry's lobby, which prioritizes increasing and maximizing gun sales over safety.  Their lobbying record is proof of that.  But most gun nuts I talk to have no awareness of that fact, or are just willfully blind to it.  Instead of acknowledging that our gun laws need to be tightened up, they just go on talking about how any increased regulation is nothing less than a ploy by liberal gun grabbers who are going to get us all killed by disarming us.

You DO understand that no matter how great the restrictions placed on our Second Amendment rights, the anti-gun lobby will not be satisfied until all guns are banned, period, right?  We're talking BEYOND an Australian-style "turn them all in" type of gun control law. And while you seem to assume that the indignation against "tightening up" our gun laws is merely a result of the "gun industry's lobby", you're missing one "minor" fact...the NRA's political clout doesn't come from gun manufacturers, it comes from the fact that millions of Americans are "single issue voters" on the gun control issue.

Your position reminds me of this quote:

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out-
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out-
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me-and there was no one left to speak for me."

With that in mind:  Fark you, Buddy...I don't care how many guns you own.  Your hypocrisy makes you worse than the hard-core "guns are evil, period, and nobody who isn't a government employee should ever have access to them" folks.  THEY at least have the balls to live up to their ideals and actually live with all of the implications of their positio ...



So because I own guns but I'm not a second amendment bullshiat spouting gun nut, that makes me a hypocrite?  I think you've just beautifully demonstrated why there is no reasoning with the second amendment crowd.  You can't even have a conversation about gun regulations without being accused of being a gun-grabbing hitler enthusiast.

And they say liberals are the ones who argue based on emotions rather than reason.....
 
2014-06-26 11:51:24 AM

Loreweaver: onyxruby: dookdookdook: Fair enough. How about we agree to begin by restricting gun ownership for psychotics, sociopaths, and admitted tea partiers

If someone is crazy enough they shouldn't have a gun than they are crazy enough to be locked in a mental ward as representing a danger to themselves or others. I'm no tea party sympathizer, but the idea of restricting rights based on political party affiliation strikes me as a very nazi like attitude.

Well, considering Tea Party members have demonstrated time and again that they are a danger to the public (good), I'd say it's pretty reasonable to restrict their access on the merits of mental illness.


Which ones do you consider tea party types?

Hell even the instigator of Feinsteins PTSD was not a tea party type. It was a democrat that killed Moscone and Milk.


Nidal Hasan - Ft Hood Shooter: Registered Democrat and Muslim.
Aaron Alexis, Navy Yard shooter - black liberal/Obama voter
Seung-Hui Cho - Virginia Tech shooter: Wrote hate mail to President Bush and to his staff, registered Democrat.
James Holmes - the "Dark Knight"/Colorado shooter: Registered Democrat, staff worker on the Obama campaign, #Occupy guy,progressive liberal, hated Christians.
Amy Bishop, the rabid leftist, killed her colleagues in Alabama, Obama supporter.
Andrew J. Stack, flew plane into IRS building in Texas - Leftist Democrat
James J. Lee who was the "green activist"/ leftist took hostages at Discovery Channel - progressive liberal Democrat.
Jared Loughner, the Tucson shooter - Leftist, Marxist.
Ohio bomb plot derps were occupy Wall St leftists.
Harris and Klebold, the Columbine Shooters - families registered Democrats and progressive Leftists.
Lee Harvey Oswald, Socialist, Communist and Democrat - killed Kennedy...
Karl Pierson, Hated the GOP, Christians and was anti gun. (the media even went back and scrubbed their articles where his friends and family described him as radical socialist)
 
2014-06-26 11:51:25 AM
I'm Canadian, and I'm glad that we have handguns outlawed.  That being said, I wouldn't go to Afghanistan without a gun, I wouldn't go to Somalia without a gun, and I wouldn't go to the USA without a gun.
 
2014-06-26 11:52:56 AM

MythDragon: Cold_Sassy: Tricky Chicken: FirstNationalBastard: So I'll be justified next the I carry my suitcase nuke with me?

Translation: I don't always herp. But when I do, I derp.

Lighten up, Francis.  It was a farking joke.

It's never a joke. You are a sophmoric imbecile who, after being outed, went with "I was only joking" as a last ditch effort to make people think you're not stupid.

At least that's was I learned on Fark last Friday when I attempted snark.


i.imgur.com
 
2014-06-26 11:53:01 AM

Frank N Stein: Serious Post on Serious Thread: I mean sweet jebus, I've lived in the worst neighborhoods of NYC, Chicago, Boston

What Chicago neighborhood did you live in?


West division street. Most aptly named street ever. To the NE was wicker park hipster ville, to the south farked up ghetto, and where I lived impoverished barrio.

Actually got tossed up against an undercover cop car one night walking home for being, and I quote, word for word, in a "n****r infested neighborhood". I wanted to point out to the Hispanic officer (and his white partner) it was actually a 'spic' infested neighborhood. But it was late and I just wanted to go home and not spend a night in jail with too tight handcuffs and bruised ribs.
 
2014-06-26 11:55:39 AM

ZeroPly: Chummer45: I have no problem with people owning guns.  What I have a problem with is America's insane gun culture that is so quick to disregard the fact that treats guns as these magical devices representing the nothing less than the embodiment of freedom and liberty, rather than what they actually are: deadly weapons that need to be regulated as such.  It's absurd that in many states people can carry a gun around without any training whatsoever.  And in most states there aren't any mandatory safe storage requirements,etc.  No other dangerous consumer product in America is given the same treatment and reverence that we give guns.

Everyone keeps saying "we need this, we need that", but the devil's in the details. What mandatory safe storage requirement? Is that going to apply to a cop working on a mob case? How about a battered wife in a single floor apartment? When I leave my 50 cal out in pieces on the kitchen table, but the bolt's in the safe, does that count?

Fix the federal government, then us gun nuts will have a little more faith. Right now, when Rahinah Ibrahim has to fight for 9 years to get off the no-fly list, and we find out the administration was using state secrets to cover up their bureaucratic error, I don't have any interest in the same people regulating my gun purchases or ownership.



If the point you are making is that our government is corrupted by our insane campaign finance system and incompetent, I'm not going to disagree with you.  The problem is that gun nuts tend to be single issue voters who vote for the GOP based on second amendment bullshiat, but the GOP is the party that is enthusiastically taking the position that money is speech and the more of it in our politics, the better.

Second amendment politics has the effect of propping up a political party that is promoting and actively trying to perpetuate a completely broken political system.  So enjoy your guns while our country is mismanaged to hell because gun nuts continue to elect criminally irresponsible politicians.
 
2014-06-26 11:56:37 AM

squirrelflavoredyogurt: Here's a link to another article which suggests the CCW didn't STOP shiat, the manger was stabbed 5-6 times, the CCW just chased him down and held him at gunpoint until the cops arrived.

http://www.wdam.com/story/25019587/lumberton-stabbing-sends-store-ma na ger-to-hospital

Also, it wasn't a random bad guy out to stab someone, it was a disgruntled employee who was out stab specifically this guy.

I'd say the CCW was a minor help in the apprehension of the guy whom they probably would have caught anyway. If I were the manager I would have preferred the CCW call the police and get some pressure on my wounds as opposed to chasing the bad guy out of the store.

Of course if you have a gun your probably looking be the hero who stops the bad guy and not the person who helps keep the already bleeding from multiple stab wounds to the neck, chest, and arm guy alive.


Your article doesnt specifically say the CCW holder just stood their as the manager was stabbed.

Which is what it would say if he didnt stop the attack.....right?

Anti gun types arent willing to admit that anyone with a CCW has ever stopped any attack.

Confirmation bias....
 
2014-06-26 11:57:27 AM

stonicus: White_Scarf_Syndrome: But go ahead and paint me as some paranoid nut job.

You get accosted once in a vulnerable spot like a red light with your kid, you do something about it.

Or you can just sit and be uncomfortable. Moving isn't an option. I like it here. But I'm being painted as some nut job because of ONE incident in which I acted rationally to some dick banging on my car with my kid inside.

Whatever.

(earlier)

fark that.  It wears on you when it's several times a day every single day.  I like it here but there are some really really screwed up things about Austin.  Also the hipsters.  Don't even get me started.

So... which is it.  Once?  Or several times a day every single day?


And don't forget the 'hipster' menace! If I see a pair of skinny jeans, pork pie hat, and facial piercings I fear for my life and start blasting away!!
 
2014-06-26 11:57:59 AM

Geoff Peterson: stonicus: Since it happens several times a day, every single day, could you please take us some pics or video of homeless people attacking your car and banging on your windows asking for money? Not even in a "ha, prove it!" way, more of a "I think that'd be a funny video to watch" way.

to be fair, homeless people at intersections ARE a pretty regular occurrence. Attacking passers by? nah. Counter productive. The cops would have that shiat shut down post-haste.


If it were up to the police chief here, he would have them all rounded up and removed from the corners.

But, this town is full of delusional hipster hippies and it is known as a national homeless safe zone.
 
2014-06-26 11:58:17 AM

MythDragon: Cold_Sassy: Tricky Chicken: FirstNationalBastard: So I'll be justified next the I carry my suitcase nuke with me?

Translation: I don't always herp. But when I do, I derp.

Lighten up, Francis.  It was a farking joke.

It's never a joke. You are a sophmoric imbecile who, after being outed, went with "I was only joking" as a last ditch effort to make people think you're not stupid.

At least that's was I learned on Fark last Friday when I attempted snark.



Gun nuts sure do get sensitive when you point out the obvious flaws with their "the second amendment is super important because it protects everyone against the police and military by allowing us to buy semiautomatic firearms" bullshiat.
 
2014-06-26 12:00:40 PM

Serious Post on Serious Thread: Tricky Chicken: skozlaw: Tricky Chicken: Treating the mentally ill would also save the lives of the mentally ill. But nobody seems to think the loss of their lives is also tragic. If Lanza had died as a result of ebola even after infecting others, people would feel sorry for him. But since he died as a result of his mental illness, he is a monster.

A typically thoughtless and useless analogy. Kindly explain how the natural transmission of a disease to an unwitting host is similar to a woman intentionally keeping an arsenal in a house with a person known to have several mental disorders.

I can think of no way to make this simpler or more obvious to you than it already is. I am afraid that somebody else would have to point out to me how this is elusive.

One is a wilfull act. The other isn't.

You're not too bright, are you?


No, I am not too bright.

The act of spreading a pathogen based disease is not wilfull, neither is the violence perpetrated by a mentally ill person.  The access to guns is a secondary environmental condition.  If you put a virulent person in the middle of Montana vs the middle of Times Square, the carnage will be different.

the underlying problem is constant.  If you care for the sick person, then in the end, the sick person might survive.  If you don't, they will likely die and kill others in the process.

Guns are irrelevant if you treat the disease.
 
2014-06-26 12:02:04 PM

cwolf20: Her person side carry blade which, while not as big as Crocodile Dundee's, is a scary bastard still.:  No paperwork, and free triple rounds of her favorite alcoholic beverage from her boss at her favorite bar.  Four if she's forced to draw blood


Well, the free booze and lack of paperwork will be great compensation when she is shot and killed for stabbing somebody with a still-concealed handgun that she didn't know about at the time of the stabbing, and the "scary bastard" of a knife and stab wound is used in court to demonstrate that the shooting was legally justified.  "Stand your ground" will not even need to enter into it.  All Defense Counsel will have to do at trial is elicit from Defendant something to the effect of "Sure, I was breaking the law, but my breach didn't necessitate the use of lethal force on her behalf.  I couldn't even safely retreat to the proverbial wall, because she'd already stuck the big, scary knife into me, causing grievous bodily injury."

No joke:  She REALLY needs to talk to an attorney licensed to practice law in the jurisdiction she works in about the laws involving self-defense before she finds herself in either more legal trouble than she wants, or ends up in the morgue.  Her employer may want to talk to an attorney licensed to practice law in that jurisdiction about civil liability resulting from such a stabbing and such a policy.  And they both should really do so ASAP.  I don't even know what jurisdiction is involved, but I'm reasonably confident that attempting to use lethal force against what is in essence a trespasser in a public venue isn't legal almost everywhere.  There's a pretty huge difference between stabbing/shooting somebody breaking into your home at night, and stabbing/shooting somebody trying to get up on a stage, or trying to jump a fence.

I hope you were joking, or you're misremembering something you were told, but realize you probably are serious.  BITD, I saw similar policies in similar venues.  Still,  it's kind of like a knife fight in general...even if she wins, odds are excellent that she's still eventually going to end up hurt in one way or another.
 
2014-06-26 12:03:35 PM

cwolf20: mschwenk: cwolf20: Secret Master of All Flatulence: moeburn: Keeping a knife is like keeping a fire extinguisher.  Keeping a gun is like keeping a fire hydrant and full-length hose.

Do you know how to tell who won a knife fight?  It's the person who bled to death last.  Knives are handy if you want to cut something, like a piece of twine or an apple.  They suck as a tool for self-defense.  This is why cops are generally required to carry a handgun, but not required to carry a knife.

On the other hand.


Found this out from a person who works front security at concerts etc.  She's one of the ones who climbs the fence and tackles the people who try and break the line by going over. Or in her words "If you're one of them, and see me standing on top of the fence. Lay down. I'm heavy, athletic, and I will belly flop mid air onto you."

After that sidetrack, my initial point:

Drawing her tazer requires 8 different reports filled out.  Using it requires 12 and a 30 minute conversation with the supervisor.
Baton requires 4.  6 if she has to use it, and a 15 minute conversation with her supervisor.

Her person side carry blade which, while not as big as Crocodile Dundee's, is a scary bastard still.:  No paperwork, and free triple rounds of her favorite alcoholic beverage from her boss at her favorite bar.  Four if she's forced to draw blood

Her company is sailing right for the port of lawsuit.

first. All the guards are allowed a personal weapon.  The police at most of the events she's been at know that they're allowed.

2nd: She hasn't drawn blood yet.  The one guy who decided to draw a knife on her, backed away when she drew hers and asked politely "Who will people believe after the fight. The security guard, or you?"


Im not saying her actions are the problem. The problem is the paperwprk and investigation requirements on personal weapon use. As an example police departments don't stop a use of force investigation because the weapon wasn't issued by the department.
 
2014-06-26 12:04:15 PM

stonicus: White_Scarf_Syndrome: But go ahead and paint me as some paranoid nut job.

You get accosted once in a vulnerable spot like a red light with your kid, you do something about it.

Or you can just sit and be uncomfortable. Moving isn't an option. I like it here. But I'm being painted as some nut job because of ONE incident in which I acted rationally to some dick banging on my car with my kid inside.

Whatever.

(earlier)

fark that.  It wears on you when it's several times a day every single day.  I like it here but there are some really really screwed up things about Austin.  Also the hipsters.  Don't even get me started.

So... which is it.  Once?  Or several times a day every single day?


Look, I'm sorry maybe I wasn't clear.  I haven't had a lot of sleep.

I had one guy, one time bang on my car and scare the shiat out of me.  He didn't like the fact that I ignored him.  I don't want to talk to a farking bum every day, sorry bro.  I reached over to my seat and then he backed off.  I do not have a CHL but it is not required to carry in your vehicle in TX.

EVERY day I have to pull up to various corners and either ignore the bum walking past my car, make eye contact. Smile. Wave. Give a peace sign.  Whatever I'm in the mood for.  I don't have any sympathy for a lot of these folks that have dogs with them.  Some of these people are professional bums.  I've had family members go homeless for legit reasons.  Most aren't going to do anything but smile and say "God Bless"

But I am within my rights to protect my son when the ONE farking meth head gets all pissy that I didn't look him in the eye and ignored him.
 
2014-06-26 12:04:47 PM

White_Scarf_Syndrome: Geoff Peterson: stonicus: Since it happens several times a day, every single day, could you please take us some pics or video of homeless people attacking your car and banging on your windows asking for money? Not even in a "ha, prove it!" way, more of a "I think that'd be a funny video to watch" way.

to be fair, homeless people at intersections ARE a pretty regular occurrence. Attacking passers by? nah. Counter productive. The cops would have that shiat shut down post-haste.

If it were up to the police chief here, he would have them all rounded up and removed from the corners.

But, this town is full of delusional hipster hippies and it is known as a national homeless safe zone.


Austin's not the magical land of Oz or anything. Its a couple hundred miles from me. Pretty sure the homeless people there are similar to the ones here.
 
2014-06-26 12:05:14 PM
Silly_Sot:
Will the person who has already chosen to commit felonies while using a firearm...
A) Shrug his shoulders, say, "Aw, shucks and darn!" and then turn back, having been completely defeated by the Magical Pixie Sign
or
B) Ignore or even laugh at the sign while he doesn't even break stride entering the store to commit his felony with a firearm

?

Which will happen?


You forgot:  "C)  Look for a "No Guns Allowed!" sign before selecting his target, so he's got a better chance of not encountering a victim with a gun."
 
2014-06-26 12:12:07 PM

Tatterdemalian: White_Scarf_Syndrome: But go ahead and paint me as some paranoid nut job.

You get accosted once in a vulnerable spot like a red light with your kid, you do something about it.

Or you can just sit and be uncomfortable. Moving isn't an option. I like it here. But I'm being painted as some nut job because of ONE incident in which I acted rationally to some dick banging on my car with my kid inside.

Whatever.

No, you're being painted as a nut job for not being able to defend yourself without a gun. If you aren't Bruce Lee (and I mean the imaginary Bruce Lee that could beat up a hundred armed attackers without breaking a sweat, not the real life Bruce Lee that told everyone who asked what would happen if he took on a guy with a gun in real life, "I would be shot dead") then you are a disgusting loser omega male who really should be eliminated for the good of modern society.

/funny thing is, even the people who complain about other people being "worthless without a gun" are, themselves, worthless without a gun
//their solution to being attacked is to call the police (people with guns) and let them handle it


Right.  You can sit there and hope he doesn't take a rock and bash your window open with it.  On the phone with the cops.  In traffic.

I am supposed to get out of my car and start a fist fight?  Talk to him rationally?  Write him a note?

Anyway, I'm checking out of this thread.  To just "sit and wait for the cops" is just not an option in many cases.  Especially Austin cops.  They like to shoot dogs, but that's a whooole other can of worms.
 
2014-06-26 12:13:19 PM
Looks more like he stopped the suspect from fleeing and maybe stopped him from stabbing her a ninth time.
 
2014-06-26 12:15:37 PM

Tricky Chicken: Serious Post on Serious Thread: Tricky Chicken: skozlaw: Tricky Chicken: Treating the mentally ill would also save the lives of the mentally ill. But nobody seems to think the loss of their lives is also tragic. If Lanza had died as a result of ebola even after infecting others, people would feel sorry for him. But since he died as a result of his mental illness, he is a monster.

A typically thoughtless and useless analogy. Kindly explain how the natural transmission of a disease to an unwitting host is similar to a woman intentionally keeping an arsenal in a house with a person known to have several mental disorders.

I can think of no way to make this simpler or more obvious to you than it already is. I am afraid that somebody else would have to point out to me how this is elusive.

One is a wilfull act. The other isn't.

You're not too bright, are you?

No, I am not too bright.

The act of spreading a pathogen based disease is not wilfull, neither is the violence perpetrated by a mentally ill person.  The access to guns is a secondary environmental condition.  If you put a virulent person in the middle of Montana vs the middle of Times Square, the carnage will be different.

the underlying problem is constant.  If you care for the sick person, then in the end, the sick person might survive.  If you don't, they will likely die and kill others in the process.

Guns are irrelevant if you treat the disease.


Only 4 "if" statements to tap dance around your bullshiat?

How's this:
"Don't unknowingly catch Ebola and no one dies". (Untenable).

"Don't have guns in your house with you and your psychopath spawn." (Tenable).

I'll forgo further insults. It'd be like punching a lobotamized puppy at this point.
 
2014-06-26 12:15:49 PM

White_Scarf_Syndrome: stonicus: White_Scarf_Syndrome: But go ahead and paint me as some paranoid nut job.

You get accosted once in a vulnerable spot like a red light with your kid, you do something about it.

Or you can just sit and be uncomfortable. Moving isn't an option. I like it here. But I'm being painted as some nut job because of ONE incident in which I acted rationally to some dick banging on my car with my kid inside.

Whatever.

(earlier)

fark that.  It wears on you when it's several times a day every single day.  I like it here but there are some really really screwed up things about Austin.  Also the hipsters.  Don't even get me started.

So... which is it.  Once?  Or several times a day every single day?

Look, I'm sorry maybe I wasn't clear.  I haven't had a lot of sleep.

I had one guy, one time bang on my car and scare the shiat out of me.  He didn't like the fact that I ignored him.  I don't want to talk to a farking bum every day, sorry bro.  I reached over to my seat and then he backed off.  I do not have a CHL but it is not required to carry in your vehicle in TX.

EVERY day I have to pull up to various corners and either ignore the bum walking past my car, make eye contact. Smile. Wave. Give a peace sign.  Whatever I'm in the mood for.  I don't have any sympathy for a lot of these folks that have dogs with them.  Some of these people are professional bums.  I've had family members go homeless for legit reasons.  Most aren't going to do anything but smile and say "God Bless"

But I am within my rights to protect my son when the ONE farking meth head gets all pissy that I didn't look him in the eye and ignored him.


OK, so it was just once.  Why then earlier did you make it out that this happens to you all the time?  Hyperbole just weakens any legitimate claim or data you might have actually had.  Now, we can't trust anything you say to be truthful or accurate.
 
2014-06-26 12:16:05 PM

Serious Post on Serious Thread: West division street. Most aptly named street ever. To the NE was wicker park hipster ville, to the south farked up ghetto, and where I lived impoverished barrio.

Actually got tossed up against an undercover cop car one night walking home for being, and I quote, word for word, in a "n****r infested neighborhood". I wanted to point out to the Hispanic officer (and his white partner) it was actually a 'spic' infested neighborhood. But it was late and I just wanted to go home and not spend a night in jail with too tight handcuffs and bruised ribs.


Eh, it's not too bad over there. When you said "worst neighborhood" I pictured Englewood and the likes. My followup question would be "why the fark did you live in Englewood?!"

/Logan Square resident btw
 
2014-06-26 12:18:32 PM

BSABSVR: Things I "learned" from Fark: multiple firearms companies are anti-gun.


More like "Multiple firearms companies don't care about Constitutionally-enumerated rights, if they can gain market share/make more money from either driving their competition out of business, or if they can get the Government to give them an unfair economic advantage by screwing the rest of their customer base."

BITD, Bill Ruger was more than happy to push for laws that outlawed stuff his competition made, but that wasn't his "Bread and Butter", just as long as the laws would have pushed people to buy his products.   One of my big complaints about the NRA is that they forgave him for it, once he'd donated enough money "to the cause".  It's kind of like Joe Biden being given a pass for his gaffes by the Left Wing, which would have been career-enders for anybody with a (R) after their names.
 
2014-06-26 12:20:26 PM

Frank N Stein: Serious Post on Serious Thread: West division street. Most aptly named street ever. To the NE was wicker park hipster ville, to the south farked up ghetto, and where I lived impoverished barrio.

Actually got tossed up against an undercover cop car one night walking home for being, and I quote, word for word, in a "n****r infested neighborhood". I wanted to point out to the Hispanic officer (and his white partner) it was actually a 'spic' infested neighborhood. But it was late and I just wanted to go home and not spend a night in jail with too tight handcuffs and bruised ribs.

Eh, it's not too bad over there. When you said "worst neighborhood" I pictured Englewood and the likes. My followup question would be "why the fark did you live in Englewood?!"

/Logan Square resident btw


I haven't lived in the city for years and years, has Humboldt Park gotten any better?
 
2014-06-26 12:23:53 PM

White_Scarf_Syndrome: Tatterdemalian: White_Scarf_Syndrome: But go ahead and paint me as some paranoid nut job.

You get accosted once in a vulnerable spot like a red light with your kid, you do something about it.

Or you can just sit and be uncomfortable. Moving isn't an option. I like it here. But I'm being painted as some nut job because of ONE incident in which I acted rationally to some dick banging on my car with my kid inside.

Whatever.

No, you're being painted as a nut job for not being able to defend yourself without a gun. If you aren't Bruce Lee (and I mean the imaginary Bruce Lee that could beat up a hundred armed attackers without breaking a sweat, not the real life Bruce Lee that told everyone who asked what would happen if he took on a guy with a gun in real life, "I would be shot dead") then you are a disgusting loser omega male who really should be eliminated for the good of modern society.

/funny thing is, even the people who complain about other people being "worthless without a gun" are, themselves, worthless without a gun
//their solution to being attacked is to call the police (people with guns) and let them handle it

Right.  You can sit there and hope he doesn't take a rock and bash your window open with it.  On the phone with the cops.  In traffic.

I am supposed to get out of my car and start a fist fight?  Talk to him rationally?  Write him a note?

Anyway, I'm checking out of this thread.  To just "sit and wait for the cops" is just not an option in many cases.  Especially Austin cops.  They like to shoot dogs, but that's a whooole other can of worms.


Well, I hope the several years of at least lost income , definite emotional scarring (of yr kid, yr too far gone to matter already), probable criminal and civil trials, and possible incarceration are worth it to blast the shiat out of the homeless guy with a squeegee that your insanely paranoid ass thought was a rock. But yeah, your metal binky gets you through the scary suburbs of Austin without wetting yourself, at the expense of the safety of all those around you, so it's all cool, I guess.
 
2014-06-26 12:24:49 PM

Serious Post on Serious Thread: Tricky Chicken: Serious Post on Serious Thread: Tricky Chicken: skozlaw: Tricky Chicken: Treating the mentally ill would also save the lives of the mentally ill. But nobody seems to think the loss of their lives is also tragic. If Lanza had died as a result of ebola even after infecting others, people would feel sorry for him. But since he died as a result of his mental illness, he is a monster.

A typically thoughtless and useless analogy. Kindly explain how the natural transmission of a disease to an unwitting host is similar to a woman intentionally keeping an arsenal in a house with a person known to have several mental disorders.

I can think of no way to make this simpler or more obvious to you than it already is. I am afraid that somebody else would have to point out to me how this is elusive.

One is a wilfull act. The other isn't.

You're not too bright, are you?

No, I am not too bright.

The act of spreading a pathogen based disease is not wilfull, neither is the violence perpetrated by a mentally ill person.  The access to guns is a secondary environmental condition.  If you put a virulent person in the middle of Montana vs the middle of Times Square, the carnage will be different.

the underlying problem is constant.  If you care for the sick person, then in the end, the sick person might survive.  If you don't, they will likely die and kill others in the process.

Guns are irrelevant if you treat the disease.

Only 4 "if" statements to tap dance around your bullshiat?

How's this:
"Don't unknowingly catch Ebola and no one dies". (Untenable).

"Don't have guns in your house with you and your psychopath spawn." (Tenable).

I'll forgo further insults. It'd be like punching a lobotamized puppy at this point.


You really can't fathom healing the sick as better than banning guns?

I don't see how you have made any insults.
 
2014-06-26 12:31:06 PM

stonicus: White_Scarf_Syndrome: stonicus: White_Scarf_Syndrome: But go ahead and paint me as some paranoid nut job.

You get accosted once in a vulnerable spot like a red light with your kid, you do something about it.

Or you can just sit and be uncomfortable. Moving isn't an option. I like it here. But I'm being painted as some nut job because of ONE incident in which I acted rationally to some dick banging on my car with my kid inside.

Whatever.

(earlier)

fark that.  It wears on you when it's several times a day every single day.  I like it here but there are some really really screwed up things about Austin.  Also the hipsters.  Don't even get me started.

So... which is it.  Once?  Or several times a day every single day?

Look, I'm sorry maybe I wasn't clear.  I haven't had a lot of sleep.

I had one guy, one time bang on my car and scare the shiat out of me.  He didn't like the fact that I ignored him.  I don't want to talk to a farking bum every day, sorry bro.  I reached over to my seat and then he backed off.  I do not have a CHL but it is not required to carry in your vehicle in TX.

EVERY day I have to pull up to various corners and either ignore the bum walking past my car, make eye contact. Smile. Wave. Give a peace sign.  Whatever I'm in the mood for.  I don't have any sympathy for a lot of these folks that have dogs with them.  Some of these people are professional bums.  I've had family members go homeless for legit reasons.  Most aren't going to do anything but smile and say "God Bless"

But I am within my rights to protect my son when the ONE farking meth head gets all pissy that I didn't look him in the eye and ignored him.

OK, so it was just once.  Why then earlier did you make it out that this happens to you all the time?  Hyperbole just weakens any legitimate claim or data you might have actually had.  Now, we can't trust anything you say to be truthful or accurate.


I will take full responsibility that it is because of my sometimes poor writing skills that some came to the conclusion that I was claiming crazy bum rage occured often.

No hyperbole intended.  I can absolutely see how it would be read in that way.  It's a lack of sleep.

I'm going off to the Entertainment tab now to see if there's any yoga pants threads today.

Thank god my vacation starts tomorrow.  Gonna take my Dad to the range to try out the AK47.

lol...it's funny because it's true.
 
2014-06-26 12:33:05 PM

moeburn: I'm Canadian, and I'm glad that we have handguns outlawed.  That being said, I wouldn't go to Afghanistan without a gun, I wouldn't go to Somalia without a gun, and I wouldn't go to the USA without a gun.


They aren't outlawed here. They are restricted and registered.
 
2014-06-26 12:34:00 PM

Serious Post on Serious Thread: Yeah. Gun owners are the equivalent of holocaust gene cide victims.You are a sad pathetic scared little pud.Or am I being trolled?Anyway mental health screenings, regular license renewal, strict transfer rules, and mandatory registry don't trample your 2A rights (which are bullshiat considering any non-moron can read the plain text and see you are full of shiat, including hopefully a non dumb ass future Supreme Court). Any more than screaming fire in a theatre or graffiti on a private home is anti free speech. You're sad. Sad. Sad. Sad. My only hope is you have an accidental discharge while stroking your gun one night, so actual people concerned with hunting, sporting, home defense or even govt overreach can be safe from your stupid farking ilk.


You're slipping.  You forgot the "tiny penis" bit.

You also missed both the point of the quote and something fairly obvious from the text.  The person who made it clearly wasn't a Socialist, or a Trade Unionist, OR a Jew.

As far as the "plain text" of the Second Amendment:  It's a "Right", not a privilege.  It belongs to the "People", not the "Government", or "governmental actors".   And it "shall not be infringed", not even "a little bit".  The Second Amendment enumerates an INDIVIDUAL right, and that right has been INCORPORATED.  Those horses are already out of the barn, and they can't be put back in, unless the Constitution is amended through the formal amendment process (2/3, 3/4), which realistically isn't going to happen.   Your ranting is irrelevant.  :D
 
2014-06-26 12:37:16 PM

Tricky Chicken: Serious Post on Serious Thread: Tricky Chicken: Serious Post on Serious Thread: Tricky Chicken: skozlaw: Tricky Chicken: Treating the mentally ill would also save the lives of the mentally ill. But nobody seems to think the loss of their lives is also tragic. If Lanza had died as a result of ebola even after infecting others, people would feel sorry for him. But since he died as a result of his mental illness, he is a monster.

A typically thoughtless and useless analogy. Kindly explain how the natural transmission of a disease to an unwitting host is similar to a woman intentionally keeping an arsenal in a house with a person known to have several mental disorders.

I can think of no way to make this simpler or more obvious to you than it already is. I am afraid that somebody else would have to point out to me how this is elusive.

One is a wilfull act. The other isn't.

You're not too bright, are you?

No, I am not too bright.

The act of spreading a pathogen based disease is not wilfull, neither is the violence perpetrated by a mentally ill person.  The access to guns is a secondary environmental condition.  If you put a virulent person in the middle of Montana vs the middle of Times Square, the carnage will be different.

the underlying problem is constant.  If you care for the sick person, then in the end, the sick person might survive.  If you don't, they will likely die and kill others in the process.

Guns are irrelevant if you treat the disease.

Only 4 "if" statements to tap dance around your bullshiat?

How's this:
"Don't unknowingly catch Ebola and no one dies". (Untenable).

"Don't have guns in your house with you and your psychopath spawn." (Tenable).

I'll forgo further insults. It'd be like punching a lobotamized puppy at this point.

You really can't fathom healing the sick as better than banning guns?

I don't see how you have made any insults.


I'll take "things that aren't mutually exclusive" for $100 Alex.

Also, banning guns? Lolwut? Strict background checks & mental health screenings, periodic license renewal, strict rules on transfer & sale, a gun registry, mandatory secure storage, high capacity & caliber 'fun guns' stored at a range. (Before the whargarble, yes, I know, mostly unenforcible before hand, like almost ALL laws, but a deterrent factor prospectively, ie, don't take a chance of doing dumb shiat if you might get busted later).
 
2014-06-26 12:38:48 PM
Sorry Shannon Watts.
 
2014-06-26 12:42:01 PM

R.A.Danny: Frank N Stein: Serious Post on Serious Thread: West division street. Most aptly named street ever. To the NE was wicker park hipster ville, to the south farked up ghetto, and where I lived impoverished barrio.

Actually got tossed up against an undercover cop car one night walking home for being, and I quote, word for word, in a "n****r infested neighborhood". I wanted to point out to the Hispanic officer (and his white partner) it was actually a 'spic' infested neighborhood. But it was late and I just wanted to go home and not spend a night in jail with too tight handcuffs and bruised ribs.

Eh, it's not too bad over there. When you said "worst neighborhood" I pictured Englewood and the likes. My followup question would be "why the fark did you live in Englewood?!"

/Logan Square resident btw

I haven't lived in the city for years and years, has Humboldt Park gotten any better?


Yeah it's okay. Of course people complain about on-going gentrification, but fark it. It's making neighborhoods safer and more prosperous.
 
2014-06-26 12:45:23 PM

Secret Master of All Flatulence: Serious Post on Serious Thread: Yeah. Gun owners are the equivalent of holocaust gene cide victims.You are a sad pathetic scared little pud.Or am I being trolled?Anyway mental health screenings, regular license renewal, strict transfer rules, and mandatory registry don't trample your 2A rights (which are bullshiat considering any non-moron can read the plain text and see you are full of shiat, including hopefully a non dumb ass future Supreme Court). Any more than screaming fire in a theatre or graffiti on a private home is anti free speech. You're sad. Sad. Sad. Sad. My only hope is you have an accidental discharge while stroking your gun one night, so actual people concerned with hunting, sporting, home defense or even govt overreach can be safe from your stupid farking ilk.

You're slipping.  You forgot the "tiny penis" bit.

You also missed both the point of the quote and something fairly obvious from the text.  The person who made it clearly wasn't a Socialist, or a Trade Unionist, OR a Jew.

As far as the "plain text" of the Second Amendment:  It's a "Right", not a privilege.  It belongs to the "People", not the "Government", or "governmental actors".   And it "shall not be infringed", not even "a little bit".  The Second Amendment enumerates an INDIVIDUAL right, and that right has been INCORPORATED.  Those horses are already out of the barn, and they can't be put back in, unless the Constitution is amended through the formal amendment process (2/3, 3/4), which realistically isn't going to happen.   Your ranting is irrelevant.  :D


"Well regulated militia" can be reinterpreted anytime by SCOTUS. As well as incorporation. Precedent is persuasive not binding. Your ignorance is irrelevant.

And your bs about the quote is asinine. It was misused by the op and misunderstood by you. Maybe you do need a gun. If stupid is made a crime yr gonna have to fend off a swat team.
 
2014-06-26 12:47:35 PM

Serious Post on Serious Thread: "Well regulated militia" can be reinterpreted anytime by SCOTUS


It was interpreted by the SCOTUS. It will take a half a century before they even think of revisiting that.
 
2014-06-26 12:55:33 PM

Chummer45: The problem is that gun nuts tend to be single issue voters who vote for the GOP based on second amendment bullshiat, but the GOP is the party that is enthusiastically taking the position that money is speech and the more of it in our politics, the better.


Just as so many gay people are such single issue voters that they will not vote for even an openly gay candidate if s/he has an (R) after her/his name...

The problem with the various "campaign finance reform" bills is that they are generally geared towards banning the other side's supporters, while protecting their side's supporters from the process.  Prime example:  Banning contributions from groups like the NRA, while allowing contributions from groups like SEIU, and vice-versa.
 
2014-06-26 01:02:43 PM

R.A.Danny: Serious Post on Serious Thread: "Well regulated militia" can be reinterpreted anytime by SCOTUS

It was interpreted by the SCOTUS. It will take a half a century before they even think of revisiting that.


Ever tire of being wrong?
West Coast Hotel v. Parrish 14 years

Keyishian v. Board of Regents 10 years

Lawrence v. Texas 17 years

Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission 7 years (partial)

Mapp v. Ohio 12 years
 
2014-06-26 01:04:54 PM
I worked as a collections agent... repo-man in Philly and surrounding areas...

I have taken cars from trenton, camden, south, west, north and eastern philly...
The only time I ever was really scared, or otherwise in fear for my life was in the suburbs when walking up to the door of a resident a nutjob with a semi auto weapon put a couple rounds (somewhere, I only heard them) out while yelling crazy shiat...

I did not carry any weapons, ever while working.
Car was not there, his girlfriend (the owner) had slipped out to Atlantic City with another dude...
we got the location and collected.

I also bought new undergarments...

The suburbs and boonies are far more dangerous because of nutjobs with inferiority complexes and paranoia with weapons to soothe their fear than the city.
That is only my experience though...
 
2014-06-26 01:05:07 PM
"BuzzPo.com is a right-leaning blog that believes, as Andrew Breitbart said..."

i.gyazo.com
 
2014-06-26 01:05:12 PM

Giltric: squirrelflavoredyogurt: Here's a link to another article which suggests the CCW didn't STOP shiat, the manger was stabbed 5-6 times, the CCW just chased him down and held him at gunpoint until the cops arrived.

http://www.wdam.com/story/25019587/lumberton-stabbing-sends-store-ma na ger-to-hospital

Also, it wasn't a random bad guy out to stab someone, it was a disgruntled employee who was out stab specifically this guy.

I'd say the CCW was a minor help in the apprehension of the guy whom they probably would have caught anyway. If I were the manager I would have preferred the CCW call the police and get some pressure on my wounds as opposed to chasing the bad guy out of the store.

Of course if you have a gun your probably looking be the hero who stops the bad guy and not the person who helps keep the already bleeding from multiple stab wounds to the neck, chest, and arm guy alive.

Your article doesnt specifically say the CCW holder just stood their as the manager was stabbed.

Which is what it would say if he didnt stop the attack.....right?

Anti gun types arent willing to admit that anyone with a CCW has ever stopped any attack.

Confirmation bias....


My article doesn't specifically state that he stopped the attack, which it would if he had right?

Since he was attacked successfully 5-6 times, I'd say he wasn't successful in stopping the attack. Since it says he "chased him down" I'd pretty much say it confirms he finished with the stabbing and left before he was "chased down". You don't chase down something that is standing still stabbing someone. Every verb in the article indicates that he, in no way, stopped the attack.

I would actually be much happier if he'd shot the guy and stopped the attack. Yep, I know it sounds strange coming from a libtard such as I, but if someone is going to get killed or seriously hurt, I want it to be the person who wants to inflict harm on others. Sadly, it didn't happen like that. As I stated previously, were I the stab victim, I would have much rather the CC permit holder stop and help me rather then going after the fleeing idiot.

I'm not an anti-gun type, I don't currently own one, but I have owned both a 12 and 20 gauge shotgun previously and I used to hunt. I'm not against anyone owning one who isn't a felon or mentally unfit. Yes, I'm all for taking them away from people who have threatened to use them to kill people, especially multiple people. If you can't control your own emotions, you aren't fit to own a gun.

Thanks for pigeon-holing me as anti-gun because I simply stated that the CC permit holder didn't actually do what was claimed in the initial biased story though. I bet you'll get father with most rational intelligent people by immediately attacking someone who disagrees with you rather than having enough of an open mind to consider that you might actually not have all the facts.
 
2014-06-26 01:07:38 PM

Secret Master of All Flatulence: Serious Post on Serious Thread: Yeah. Gun owners are the equivalent of holocaust gene cide victims.You are a sad pathetic scared little pud.Or am I being trolled?Anyway mental health screenings, regular license renewal, strict transfer rules, and mandatory registry don't trample your 2A rights (which are bullshiat considering any non-moron can read the plain text and see you are full of shiat, including hopefully a non dumb ass future Supreme Court). Any more than screaming fire in a theatre or graffiti on a private home is anti free speech. You're sad. Sad. Sad. Sad. My only hope is you have an accidental discharge while stroking your gun one night, so actual people concerned with hunting, sporting, home defense or even govt overreach can be safe from your stupid farking ilk.

You're slipping.  You forgot the "tiny penis" bit.

You also missed both the point of the quote and something fairly obvious from the text.  The person who made it clearly wasn't a Socialist, or a Trade Unionist, OR a Jew.

As far as the "plain text" of the Second Amendment:  It's a "Right", not a privilege.  It belongs to the "People", not the "Government", or "governmental actors".   And it "shall not be infringed", not even "a little bit".  The Second Amendment enumerates an INDIVIDUAL right, and that right has been INCORPORATED.  Those horses are already out of the barn, and they can't be put back in, unless the Constitution is amended through the formal amendment process (2/3, 3/4), which realistically isn't going to happen.   Your ranting is irrelevant.  :D


Personally i want to know where the victims got the Gene Cider.  Is it a Gene Simmons brand?  Or, was genocide meant and I misread the misspell
 
2014-06-26 01:07:43 PM

Serious Post on Serious Thread: "Well regulated militia" can be reinterpreted anytime by SCOTUS. As well as incorporation. Precedent is persuasive not binding. Your ignorance is irrelevant.

And your bs about the quote is asinine. It was misused by the op and misunderstood by you. Maybe you do need a gun. If stupid is made a crime yr gonna have to fend off a swat team.


Can you cite a SINGLE example of a right going from an individual to a collective one after SCOTUS has explicitly ruled that it was, in fact, an individual one?  Didn't think so.  Can you cite a SINGLE example where an Incorporated right became "unIncorporated" (does such a word even exist?  I'd check my copy of Black's, but it's at the office) after SCOTUS explicitly Incorporated it?

The Left has as much chance of doing what you seem to think is "right around the corner" as the Right has of having Brown v Topeka Board thrown out.  Good luck with it.

BTW:  I've got plenty of guns.  Belt-fed machineguns.  Submachineguns.  What Joe Biden would call "Sawed off" shotguns.  Sound Suppressors.  The cops know about them, and are OK with me having them.

/FSM, how I do so love living where I live.
 
2014-06-26 01:11:12 PM

Serious Post on Serious Thread: R.A.Danny: It was interpreted by the SCOTUS. It will take a half a century before they even think of revisiting that.

Ever tire of being wrong?


Given how long it took for them to revisit Miller, even after a bunch of different circuits had truly screwed interpretations of it?  Uh, right.  Good luck with that.
 
2014-06-26 01:18:05 PM
As bad as this blog is, I'm only going to comment this much.

Do I believe every person in the country needs a gun? Nope.
Do I think guns should be harder to get, as in there should be a background check and registration should indicate the person who actually owns the gun? Yep.
Do I think that if you carry you should be required to take a safety course? Yep.

Now, that said, this is why I prefer CCW owners to open carry.

1. They're much more likely to be trained on firearm safety.
2. They don't feel the need to needlessly flash a gun all over the place purely for the sake of proving a point.

I'm far from being a gun nut, but I'm very much not willing to mix up the CCWs with the open carry crazytards.
 
2014-06-26 01:19:36 PM

Frank N Stein: Serious Post on Serious Thread: I mean sweet jebus, I've lived in the worst neighborhoods of NYC, Chicago, Boston

What Chicago neighborhood did you live in?


The one Barak Obama was a community organizer for?
 
2014-06-26 01:20:47 PM

cwolf20: Secret Master of All Flatulence: Serious Post on Serious Thread: Yeah. Gun owners are the equivalent of holocaust gene cide victims.You are a sad pathetic scared little pud.Or am I being trolled?Anyway mental health screenings, regular license renewal, strict transfer rules, and mandatory registry don't trample your 2A rights (which are bullshiat considering any non-moron can read the plain text and see you are full of shiat, including hopefully a non dumb ass future Supreme Court). Any more than screaming fire in a theatre or graffiti on a private home is anti free speech. You're sad. Sad. Sad. Sad. My only hope is you have an accidental discharge while stroking your gun one night, so actual people concerned with hunting, sporting, home defense or even govt overreach can be safe from your stupid farking ilk.

You're slipping.  You forgot the "tiny penis" bit.

You also missed both the point of the quote and something fairly obvious from the text.  The person who made it clearly wasn't a Socialist, or a Trade Unionist, OR a Jew.

As far as the "plain text" of the Second Amendment:  It's a "Right", not a privilege.  It belongs to the "People", not the "Government", or "governmental actors".   And it "shall not be infringed", not even "a little bit".  The Second Amendment enumerates an INDIVIDUAL right, and that right has been INCORPORATED.  Those horses are already out of the barn, and they can't be put back in, unless the Constitution is amended through the formal amendment process (2/3, 3/4), which realistically isn't going to happen.   Your ranting is irrelevant.  :D

Personally i want to know where the victims got the Gene Cider.  Is it a Gene Simmons brand?  Or, was genocide meant and I misread the misspell


If you drink anything made by Gene Simmons, you will likely die. So close.

/bad auto correct on my bad typing
//STRUTTER!
 
2014-06-26 01:22:27 PM

lewismarktwo: You gonna get shot! PEWPEWPEWPEWPEPWPEW!


Rapid fire comment?

I suppose it's not illegal to install a bump stock on your Ctrl+V.
 
2014-06-26 01:23:13 PM
I don't need a gun. I've got a Donk.

img.fark.net
 
2014-06-26 01:34:15 PM

Elegy: dookdookdook: onyxruby: I'm no tea party sympathizer, but the idea of restricting rights based on political party affiliation strikes me as a very nazi like attitude.

"Tea Party" != "Republican".  They'll be the first to tell you that.

Anyway, the fact that hoarding guns and calling for armed revolution against government employees and fantasizing about solving all of life's problems like you're Marshall Dillon mowing down criminal scum are defining characteristics of Tea Partiers is purely coincidental.  Saying "Tea Partiers" is just simpler.

Want to know why gun legislation that limits access to guns based on a prior history of mental illness will never pass in America?

:: holds up mirror ::

It's because of people like you! Congratulations!


Umm... It's already illegal for people that have been adjudicated to be mentally ill or have been involuntarily institutionalized to be in possession of, purchase or transfer a firearm.

But please... continue your rambling.
 
2014-06-26 01:34:32 PM

TerminalEchoes: I don't need a gun. I've got a Donk.

[img.fark.net image 320x240]


I don't need a Donk, I've got a 9 year old daughter with her "Sparkly Purple and Pink My Little Pony" AR-15A2 HBAR.

/When she was 6 years old, she needed something with extremely light recoil
 
2014-06-26 01:40:23 PM

FTDA: Frank N Stein: Serious Post on Serious Thread: I mean sweet jebus, I've lived in the worst neighborhoods of NYC, Chicago, Boston

What Chicago neighborhood did you live in?

The one Barak Obama was a community organizer for?


Damn, you STILL butthurt over a blah man as president?

Get over it already, it's just sad now.
 
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