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2014-06-26 10:30:20 AM  

rooftop235: Sounds like a move by the upper management. I'll bet the manager who got stabbed would rather have that sign down. But then again, maybe it is a good idea because the gun totin' zealots might pop out of the woodwork.


It sounds to me like there was a hit out on the manager and the owner doesn't want it to get f'd up again like last time...
 
2014-06-26 10:30:46 AM  

Secret Master of All Flatulence: Chummer45:  But I am anti gun-culture/gun lobby.  The thing that I find so disturbing about the gun culture in the US is that it is something that was relatively recently invented and perpetuated by the gun industry's lobby, which prioritizes increasing and maximizing gun sales over safety.  Their lobbying record is proof of that.  But most gun nuts I talk to have no awareness of that fact, or are just willfully blind to it.  Instead of acknowledging that our gun laws need to be tightened up, they just go on talking about how any increased regulation is nothing less than a ploy by liberal gun grabbers who are going to get us all killed by disarming us.

You DO understand that no matter how great the restrictions placed on our Second Amendment rights, the anti-gun lobby will not be satisfied until all guns are banned, period, right?  We're talking BEYOND an Australian-style "turn them all in" type of gun control law. And while you seem to assume that the indignation against "tightening up" our gun laws is merely a result of the "gun industry's lobby", you're missing one "minor" fact...the NRA's political clout doesn't come from gun manufacturers, it comes from the fact that millions of Americans are "single issue voters" on the gun control issue.

Your position reminds me of this quote:

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out-
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out-
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me-and there was no one left to speak for me."

With that in mind:  Fark you, Buddy...I don't care how many guns you own.  Your hypocrisy makes you worse than the hard-core "guns are evil, period, and nobody who isn't a government employee should ever have access to them" folks.  THEY at least have the balls to live up to their ideals and actually live with all of the implications of their positio ...


So just to sum this up;

Safe storage laws == disarming the populace
Mandatory safety course == disarming the populace
background check == disarming the populace

Somebody should probably tell my government that because we have safe storage laws, mandatory safety courses, and background checks and yet somebody forgot to come take away my guns!

In other words, don't be stupid.
 
2014-06-26 10:32:12 AM  

stonicus: Since it happens several times a day, every single day, could you please take us some pics or video of homeless people attacking your car and banging on your windows asking for money? Not even in a "ha, prove it!" way, more of a "I think that'd be a funny video to watch" way.


If I am afraid of homeless people near my car, I would also be afraid that taking their picture may be percieved as a hostile act that would provoke them.

I can't hold his not having photographic evidence against him.
 
2014-06-26 10:32:16 AM  

Chummer45: I have no problem with people owning guns.  What I have a problem with is America's insane gun culture that is so quick to disregard the fact that treats guns as these magical devices representing the nothing less than the embodiment of freedom and liberty, rather than what they actually are: deadly weapons that need to be regulated as such.  It's absurd that in many states people can carry a gun around without any training whatsoever.  And in most states there aren't any mandatory safe storage requirements,etc.  No other dangerous consumer product in America is given the same treatment and reverence that we give guns.


Everyone keeps saying "we need this, we need that", but the devil's in the details. What mandatory safe storage requirement? Is that going to apply to a cop working on a mob case? How about a battered wife in a single floor apartment? When I leave my 50 cal out in pieces on the kitchen table, but the bolt's in the safe, does that count?

Fix the federal government, then us gun nuts will have a little more faith. Right now, when Rahinah Ibrahim has to fight for 9 years to get off the no-fly list, and we find out the administration was using state secrets to cover up their bureaucratic error, I don't have any interest in the same people regulating my gun purchases or ownership.
 
2014-06-26 10:33:53 AM  

Egoy3k: So just to sum this up;

Safe storage laws == disarming the populace
Mandatory safety course == disarming the populace
background check == disarming the populace

Somebody should probably tell my government that because we have safe storage laws, mandatory safety courses, and background checks and yet somebody forgot to come take away my guns!

In other words, don't be stupid.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWucDHAphQ8
 
2014-06-26 10:35:03 AM  

Secret Master of All Flatulence: moeburn: Keeping a knife is like keeping a fire extinguisher.  Keeping a gun is like keeping a fire hydrant and full-length hose.

Do you know how to tell who won a knife fight?  It's the person who bled to death last.  Knives are handy if you want to cut something, like a piece of twine or an apple.  They suck as a tool for self-defense.  This is why cops are generally required to carry a handgun, but not required to carry a knife.


On the other hand.  


Found this out from a person who works front security at concerts etc.  She's one of the ones who climbs the fence and tackles the people who try and break the line by going over. Or in her words "If you're one of them, and see me standing on top of the fence. Lay down. I'm heavy, athletic, and I will belly flop mid air onto you."

After that sidetrack, my initial point:  

Drawing her tazer requires 8 different reports filled out.  Using it requires 12 and a 30 minute conversation with the supervisor.  
Baton requires 4.  6 if she has to use it, and a 15 minute conversation with her supervisor.

Her person side carry blade which, while not as big as Crocodile Dundee's, is a scary bastard still.:  No paperwork, and free triple rounds of her favorite alcoholic beverage from her boss at her favorite bar.  Four if she's forced to draw blood
 
2014-06-26 10:35:35 AM  

Secret Master of All Flatulence: moeburn: Keeping a knife is like keeping a fire extinguisher.  Keeping a gun is like keeping a fire hydrant and full-length hose.

Do you know how to tell who won a knife fight?  It's the person who bled to death last.  Knives are handy if you want to cut something, like a piece of twine or an apple.  They suck as a tool for self-defense.  This is why cops are generally required to carry a handgun, but not required to carry a knife.


Allright then, pepper spray, or a tazer.
 
2014-06-26 10:37:29 AM  

moeburn: Secret Master of All Flatulence: moeburn: Keeping a knife is like keeping a fire extinguisher.  Keeping a gun is like keeping a fire hydrant and full-length hose.

Do you know how to tell who won a knife fight?  It's the person who bled to death last.  Knives are handy if you want to cut something, like a piece of twine or an apple.  They suck as a tool for self-defense.  This is why cops are generally required to carry a handgun, but not required to carry a knife.

Allright then, pepper spray, or a tazer.


Neither stop drugged up perps.
 
2014-06-26 10:38:33 AM  

ZeroPly: Everyone keeps saying "we need this, we need that", but the devil's in the details. What mandatory safe storage requirement? Is that going to apply to a cop working on a mob case? How about a battered wife in a single floor apartment? When I leave my 50 cal out in pieces on the kitchen table, but the bolt's in the safe, does that count?


Well around here safe storage laws only apply when you are securing an unsupervised firearm so in the first two cases the law doesn't apply and if the gun cannot fire (through removal of the bolt or securing the trigger with a lock or even running a locked cable through the action or whatever) then it is perfectly legal to display it openly which would include being in parts on the table while the bolt is locked up.
 
2014-06-26 10:38:39 AM  

onyxruby: dookdookdook: Fair enough. How about we agree to begin by restricting gun ownership for psychotics, sociopaths, and admitted tea partiers

If someone is crazy enough they shouldn't have a gun than they are crazy enough to be locked in a mental ward as representing a danger to themselves or others. I'm no tea party sympathizer, but the idea of restricting rights based on political party affiliation strikes me as a very nazi like attitude.


Well, considering Tea Party members have demonstrated time and again that they are a danger to the public (good), I'd say it's pretty reasonable to restrict their access on the merits of mental illness.
 
2014-06-26 10:39:09 AM  

Dimensio: trevzie: Dimensio: ko_kyi: To paraphrase another Farker, guns are tools of murder, pure and simple, and as such only belong in the hands of the government.

My actual statement is that deadly semi-automatic assault weapons are tools of murder that should only be possessed by law enforcement agents.

Conventional firearms without assault weapon features may be owned by civilians, provided that they undergo an extensive six-month minimum application process with arbitrary criteria for approval or rejection.

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ar·bi·trary adjective \ˈär-bə-ˌtrer-ē, -ˌtre-rē\


1

a: depending on individual discretion (as of a judge) and not fixed by law


2

a : not restrained or limited in the exercise of power : ruling by absolute authority
b : marked by or resulting from the unrestrained and often tyrannical exercise of power


3

a : based on or determined by individual preference or convenience rather than by necessity or the intrinsic nature of something
b : existing or coming about seemingly at random or by chance or as a capricious and unreasonable act of will



So you want to set criteria for the gun application process, and you want to base it on individual discretion (of the seller?) and not set by law?

Arbitrary basically means random or at a whim, and is basically the opposite of what you want for the criteria of an application process.
 
2014-06-26 10:40:06 AM  

Dog Welder: I of course called Keith's Superstore in Lumberton, MS to find out what their logic was. Long story short, they were quite rude, and refused to answer any questions pertaining to this incident. Perhaps I should've asked why they didn't post a "No Knives" sign!

Yes, I'm sure he asked his questions in a non-rude manner.  That whole article is dripping with assholeishness.


The story aside, that guys blogging is awful.

/glad the ccw guy stopped the stabbing
//the store can put the sign up. Its their property.
 
2014-06-26 10:40:23 AM  
Let's see, someone has decided to use a firearm to rob a store. He knows its a felony but has decided to do it, anyway.

He gets to the store. There's now a SIGN on it. The piece of cardboard has text on it that says that firearms are not permitted in the store.

Will the person who has already chosen to commit felonies while using a firearm...

A) Shrug his shoulders, say, "Aw, shucks and darn!" and then turn back, having been completely defeated by the Magical Pixie Sign

or

B) Ignore or even laugh at the sign while he doesn't even break stride entering the store to commit his felony with a firearm

?

Which will happen?
 
2014-06-26 10:41:28 AM  
Things I "learned" from Fark: multiple firearms companies are anti-gun.
 
2014-06-26 10:41:58 AM  
I think my post didn't go through...

To be clear, I was accosted once by some guy. I never pointed the gun at him. I reached and he backed off.

So, now I should feel bad about carrying and not trusting any of these people?

Raving bands of homeless. Right. Because that's what I meant.
 
2014-06-26 10:43:43 AM  

moeburn: Secret Master of All Flatulence: ThatGuyOverThere: I carry a gun because I'm not under the misunderstanding that I could rely on the police to help me in an emergency or that I might never have to face off with people trying to kill me for no reason.

This OBVIOUSLY makes you a paranoid lunatic, just like those people who are CLEARLY arsonists because they choose to keep a fire extinguisher in their cars.

Keeping a knife is like keeping a fire extinguisher.  Keeping a gun is like keeping a fire hydrant and full-length hose.


Not really. Knives are terrible for self defense.
 
2014-06-26 10:45:25 AM  

Silly_Sot: Let's see, someone has decided to use a firearm to rob a store. He knows its a felony but has decided to do it, anyway.

He gets to the store. There's now a SIGN on it. The piece of cardboard has text on it that says that firearms are not permitted in the store.

Will the person who has already chosen to commit felonies while using a firearm...

A) Shrug his shoulders, say, "Aw, shucks and darn!" and then turn back, having been completely defeated by the Magical Pixie Sign

or

B) Ignore or even laugh at the sign while he doesn't even break stride entering the store to commit his felony with a firearm

?

Which will happen?


I agree completely. Which is why we also shouldn't have a law against robbery to begin with. Clearly it doesn't work.

You're so smart.
 
2014-06-26 10:46:17 AM  

Silly_Sot: Let's see, someone has decided to use a firearm to rob a store. He knows its a felony but has decided to do it, anyway.

He gets to the store. There's now a SIGN on it. The piece of cardboard has text on it that says that firearms are not permitted in the store.

Will the person who has already chosen to commit felonies while using a firearm...

A) Shrug his shoulders, say, "Aw, shucks and darn!" and then turn back, having been completely defeated by the Magical Pixie Sign

or

B) Ignore or even laugh at the sign while he doesn't even break stride entering the store to commit his felony with a firearm

?

Which will happen?


Gun bans are not intended to stop robberies and nobody thinks that they are.  They are intended to prevent liability from falling on the property owner when an angry old fart shoots someone for texting in a theater or some clumsy jackass accidentally shoots someone.  So in other words the gun bans are not caused by 'gun grabbers' but by a few irresponsible gun owners creating risks that could financially impact a business.
 
2014-06-26 10:46:47 AM  
But go ahead and paint me as some paranoid nut job.

You get accosted once in a vulnerable spot like a red light with your kid, you do something about it.

Or you can just sit and be uncomfortable. Moving isn't an option. I like it here. But I'm being painted as some nut job because of ONE incident in which I acted rationally to some dick banging on my car with my kid inside.

Whatever.
 
2014-06-26 10:47:33 AM  

cwolf20: Secret Master of All Flatulence: moeburn: Keeping a knife is like keeping a fire extinguisher.  Keeping a gun is like keeping a fire hydrant and full-length hose.

Do you know how to tell who won a knife fight?  It's the person who bled to death last.  Knives are handy if you want to cut something, like a piece of twine or an apple.  They suck as a tool for self-defense.  This is why cops are generally required to carry a handgun, but not required to carry a knife.

On the other hand.  


Found this out from a person who works front security at concerts etc.  She's one of the ones who climbs the fence and tackles the people who try and break the line by going over. Or in her words "If you're one of them, and see me standing on top of the fence. Lay down. I'm heavy, athletic, and I will belly flop mid air onto you."

After that sidetrack, my initial point:  

Drawing her tazer requires 8 different reports filled out.  Using it requires 12 and a 30 minute conversation with the supervisor.  
Baton requires 4.  6 if she has to use it, and a 15 minute conversation with her supervisor.

Her person side carry blade which, while not as big as Crocodile Dundee's, is a scary bastard still.:  No paperwork, and free triple rounds of her favorite alcoholic beverage from her boss at her favorite bar.  Four if she's forced to draw blood


Her company is sailing right for the port of lawsuit.
 
2014-06-26 10:52:20 AM  
Welp...the NRA came. That's the important thing.
 
2014-06-26 10:52:47 AM  

Tricky Chicken: GoldSpider: feckingmorons: I guess I'm a gun totin' zealot, but if I'm ever shot at again I want to be able to shoot back.

It sounds like you frequently put yourself into places/situations where you fear you may be shot at.  I wonder why that is.

I was getting shot at in a 'secure' federal building in Washington DC a few months ago. The reason I frequent there is to get a paycheck.

This was also an act of an untreated mentally ill person.  If he were treated appropriately, he would still be alive, and so would several of my co-workers and friends. But of course, this is all just because guns are bad.


Just because a person in PRESCRIBED the correct meds does not mean they actually have to take them.  Treatmrnt is important, but te prime problem is the over-proliferation and uncontrolled access to guns.
 
2014-06-26 10:56:06 AM  

reillan: Noam Chimpsky: Do armed robbers even no how to read?

Are you an armed robber?


He said read, not write.
 
2014-06-26 10:58:03 AM  

White_Scarf_Syndrome: But go ahead and paint me as some paranoid nut job.

You get accosted once in a vulnerable spot like a red light with your kid, you do something about it.

Or you can just sit and be uncomfortable. Moving isn't an option. I like it here. But I'm being painted as some nut job because of ONE incident in which I acted rationally to some dick banging on my car with my kid inside.

Whatever.


No, you're being painted as a nut job for not being able to defend yourself without a gun. If you aren't Bruce Lee (and I mean the imaginary Bruce Lee that could beat up a hundred armed attackers without breaking a sweat, not the real life Bruce Lee that told everyone who asked what would happen if he took on a guy with a gun in real life, "I would be shot dead") then you are a disgusting loser omega male who really should be eliminated for the good of modern society.

/funny thing is, even the people who complain about other people being "worthless without a gun" are, themselves, worthless without a gun
//their solution to being attacked is to call the police (people with guns) and let them handle it
 
2014-06-26 10:58:17 AM  

mschwenk: moeburn: Secret Master of All Flatulence: ThatGuyOverThere: I carry a gun because I'm not under the misunderstanding that I could rely on the police to help me in an emergency or that I might never have to face off with people trying to kill me for no reason.

This OBVIOUSLY makes you a paranoid lunatic, just like those people who are CLEARLY arsonists because they choose to keep a fire extinguisher in their cars.

Keeping a knife is like keeping a fire extinguisher.  Keeping a gun is like keeping a fire hydrant and full-length hose.

Not really. Knives are terrible for self defense.


Maybe in some kind of West Side Story knife duel, but in the real world, where you don't posture with it, knives are really awesome at close-in attacks.

You just need to be willing to take a cut on the blocking arm.
 
2014-06-26 10:58:51 AM  

Chummer45: So two guys suddenly became homicidal maniacs determined to murder a random stranger for no reason whatsoever, but then totally came to their senses when they realized you had a gun?    I sense a whiff of bullshiat in the air.


Two homicidal maniacs who evidently look to kill someone with no weapons of their own.  Plausible.
 
2014-06-26 10:59:32 AM  
I would think a convenience store would be a "gun free zone" anyway. At least as designated by the state of Michigan where I live.  Any place which derived at least 50% of their income by sales of alcohol are gun free zones. Since I don't have access to their sales figures I would have to assume the possibility.
 
2014-06-26 11:00:08 AM  

steve_as: Good for him! Props to the guy. Too bad people with CCW are far more likely to get killed or kill an innocent than stop an actual bad guy.


Because it's so easy to prove why a crime didn't happen. Dolt.
 
2014-06-26 11:00:35 AM  

mschwenk: cwolf20: Secret Master of All Flatulence: moeburn: Keeping a knife is like keeping a fire extinguisher.  Keeping a gun is like keeping a fire hydrant and full-length hose.

Do you know how to tell who won a knife fight?  It's the person who bled to death last.  Knives are handy if you want to cut something, like a piece of twine or an apple.  They suck as a tool for self-defense.  This is why cops are generally required to carry a handgun, but not required to carry a knife.

On the other hand.


Found this out from a person who works front security at concerts etc.  She's one of the ones who climbs the fence and tackles the people who try and break the line by going over. Or in her words "If you're one of them, and see me standing on top of the fence. Lay down. I'm heavy, athletic, and I will belly flop mid air onto you."

After that sidetrack, my initial point:

Drawing her tazer requires 8 different reports filled out.  Using it requires 12 and a 30 minute conversation with the supervisor.
Baton requires 4.  6 if she has to use it, and a 15 minute conversation with her supervisor.

Her person side carry blade which, while not as big as Crocodile Dundee's, is a scary bastard still.:  No paperwork, and free triple rounds of her favorite alcoholic beverage from her boss at her favorite bar.  Four if she's forced to draw blood

Her company is sailing right for the port of lawsuit.


first. All the guards are allowed a personal weapon.  The police at most of the events she's been at know that they're allowed.

2nd: She hasn't drawn blood yet.  The one guy who decided to draw a knife on her, backed away when she drew hers and asked politely "Who will people believe after the fight. The security guard, or you?"
 
2014-06-26 11:05:58 AM  

feckingmorons: I don't go to businesses that have no gun signs. I usually carry a gun.

I do go to the post office, but I can secure my gun in a locked compartment in my car. Few violent crimes in the Post Office, lots of violent crimes in stores and gas stations, and restaurants.

Businesses are free to make any rules regarding guns they wish. There are always other options for me.

I guess I'm a gun totin' zealot, but if I'm ever shot at again I want to be able to shoot back.


I'm guessing your screen name is self referential.

Where the fark do you shop/live in the US where you are regularly shot at? Do you frequent illegal gambling dens? Whore houses? Chicken fight basements? White supremacist meetings? Ameature bomb making conventions? Retard friendly gun conventions?

I mean sweet jebus, I've lived in the worst neighborhoods of NYC, Chicago, Boston and borderline shiatholes of London and Prague. And the "lots of violent crimes in stores, and gas stations, and restaurants" delusion you have is delusional.

shiat happens, but I'm more afraid of some asshole deciding he's gotta stand his ground against a kid in a hoodie or 'shoot back' in some situation hr created playing Dirty Harry and I get caught by friendly fire than I am of finding myself a victim in a bank robbery.

You are nuts. Completely paranoid delusional. And a sad example of an adult who still believes the boogie man lives under his bed. Pathetic. Frankly I wouldn't care if not for the fact you are the greatest danger to me and mines safety than any made up fantasy Charleton Heston tripe you believe.
 
2014-06-26 11:08:34 AM  

FnkyTwn: Egoy3k: Maybe a little paranoid but no more so than a guy in the suburbs putting motion sensor lights on all four corners of his house.

Because carrying a loaded weapon around is exactly like turning your outside houselights on at night.

Gun Nut Logic


I think you missed the point.  The original poster was not talking about the degree of response, but the assessment of actual risk.  He was saying that feeling that there are enough dangerous situations that warrant an armed response is equally misreading the frequency of exposure as a homeowner who feels that his house is prowled constantly enough to warrant security lights.  He is not speaking to the degree of response.
 
2014-06-26 11:10:29 AM  

Turbo Cojones: Tricky Chicken: GoldSpider: feckingmorons: I guess I'm a gun totin' zealot, but if I'm ever shot at again I want to be able to shoot back.

It sounds like you frequently put yourself into places/situations where you fear you may be shot at.  I wonder why that is.

I was getting shot at in a 'secure' federal building in Washington DC a few months ago. The reason I frequent there is to get a paycheck.

This was also an act of an untreated mentally ill person.  If he were treated appropriately, he would still be alive, and so would several of my co-workers and friends. But of course, this is all just because guns are bad.

Just because a person in PRESCRIBED the correct meds does not mean they actually have to take them.  Treatmrnt is important, but te prime problem is the over-proliferation and uncontrolled access to guns.


If you had Yellow Fever, you would be confined with no regard to your wishes.  You could then either accept or refuse treatment as you wish.  You will not be released until such time as you are evaluated as not a threat to the general population.  With psychotic breaks, woul would be confined till it was determined that your meds were working.  Then we could work on a way for you to be monitored on a release program.  Regular meds testing would most surely be needed.

Eliminating guns completely would still leave us with mentally ill people that would likely lose their lives and probably take a few others with them.

Treating the mentally ill would also save the lives of the mentally ill.  But nobody seems to think the loss of their lives is also tragic.  If Lanza had died as a result of ebola even after infecting others, people would feel sorry for him.  But since he died as a result of his mental illness, he is a monster.

Disease of blood = tragic
Disease of mind = monster
 
2014-06-26 11:16:36 AM  
Here's a link to another article which suggests the CCW didn't STOP shiat, the manger was stabbed 5-6 times, the CCW just chased him down and held him at gunpoint until the cops arrived.

http://www.wdam.com/story/25019587/lumberton-stabbing-sends-store-ma na ger-to-hospital

Also, it wasn't a random bad guy out to stab someone, it was a disgruntled employee who was out stab specifically this guy.

I'd say the CCW was a minor help in the apprehension of the guy whom they probably would have caught anyway. If I were the manager I would have preferred the CCW call the police and get some pressure on my wounds as opposed to chasing the bad guy out of the store.

Of course if you have a gun your probably looking be the hero who stops the bad guy and not the person who helps keep the already bleeding from multiple stab wounds to the neck, chest, and arm guy alive.
 
2014-06-26 11:16:54 AM  
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2014-06-26 11:17:13 AM  

Secret Master of All Flatulence: Chummer45:  But I am anti gun-culture/gun lobby.  The thing that I find so disturbing about the gun culture in the US is that it is something that was relatively recently invented and perpetuated by the gun industry's lobby, which prioritizes increasing and maximizing gun sales over safety.  Their lobbying record is proof of that.  But most gun nuts I talk to have no awareness of that fact, or are just willfully blind to it.  Instead of acknowledging that our gun laws need to be tightened up, they just go on talking about how any increased regulation is nothing less than a ploy by liberal gun grabbers who are going to get us all killed by disarming us.

You DO understand that no matter how great the restrictions placed on our Second Amendment rights, the anti-gun lobby will not be satisfied until all guns are banned, period, right?  We're talking BEYOND an Australian-style "turn them all in" type of gun control law. And while you seem to assume that the indignation against "tightening up" our gun laws is merely a result of the "gun industry's lobby", you're missing one "minor" fact...the NRA's political clout doesn't come from gun manufacturers, it comes from the fact that millions of Americans are "single issue voters" on the gun control issue.

Your position reminds me of this quote:

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out-
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out-
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me-and there was no one left to speak for me."

With that in mind:  Fark you, Buddy...I don't care how many guns you own.  Your hypocrisy makes you worse than the hard-core "guns are evil, period, and nobody who isn't a government employee should ever have access to them" folks.  THEY at least have the balls to live up to their ideals and actually live with all of the implications of their position.


Yeah. Gun owners are the equivalent of holocaust gene cide victims.

You are a sad pathetic scared little pud.

Or am I being trolled?

Anyway mental health screenings, regular license renewal, strict transfer rules, and mandatory registry don't trample your 2A rights (which are bullshiat considering any non-moron can read the plain text and see you are full of shiat, including hopefully a non dumb ass future Supreme Court). Any more than screaming fire in a theatre or graffiti on a private home is anti free speech. You're sad. Sad. Sad. Sad. My only hope is you have an accidental discharge while stroking your gun one night, so actual people concerned with hunting, sporting, home defense or even govt overreach can be safe from your stupid farking ilk.
 
2014-06-26 11:18:28 AM  
Actually, let me rephrase that, I would have wanted him to call 911 not just "the police". Assuming 911 would send ambulance and all other appropriate support personnel.
 
2014-06-26 11:19:36 AM  

feckingmorons: I don't go to businesses that have no gun signs. I usually carry a gun.

I do go to the post office, but I can secure my gun in a locked compartment in my car. Few violent crimes in the Post Office, lots of violent crimes in stores and gas stations, and restaurants.

Businesses are free to make any rules regarding guns they wish. There are always other options for me.

I guess I'm a gun totin' zealot, but if I'm ever shot at again I want to be able to shoot back.


abhorrent1: It's concealed. How would they know? And even if they did find out, other than kick you out what can they do? Could you be arrested? I mean, it's a store policy not a law.


Depends on the state. In VA, "no guns' signs don't carry the weight of law (except for federal buildings and post offices and such). So I still carry concealed in places that say 'no guns', not that they'd ever know. But if they did find out all they can do is ask me to leave. If I refuse, I am at that point tresspassing, and could be arrested for *that*, but I can't get in trouble for just having a gun. I seem to remember an incident where somehow management found out the guy had a gun (maybe he bent over to look at something and briefly exposed the firearm). They call the cops. Cops show up and say "Did you ask him to leave?" they say something like "Nope, we were too scared. People who carry guns might shoot you at any moment for any reason". The cop goes up to the guy and basically makes sure he's not planning on robbing the place. Then they tell him "Look, the people here are freaking out, and they would really like it if you left" The guy says "oh, okay then", parks his cart of stuff on the side of the aisle and leaves. And that was the end of it. I like to think that the cop stopped by the manager and told him "Don't worry, I have saved you from the bad man. You can come out from behind your desk now"
 
2014-06-26 11:20:04 AM  

Tricky Chicken: Treating the mentally ill would also save the lives of the mentally ill. But nobody seems to think the loss of their lives is also tragic. If Lanza had died as a result of ebola even after infecting others, people would feel sorry for him. But since he died as a result of his mental illness, he is a monster.


A typically thoughtless and useless analogy. Kindly explain how the natural transmission of a disease to an unwitting host is similar to a woman intentionally keeping an arsenal in a house with a person known to have several mental disorders.
 
2014-06-26 11:20:25 AM  

Egoy3k: Silly_Sot: Let's see, someone has decided to use a firearm to rob a store. He knows its a felony but has decided to do it, anyway.

He gets to the store. There's now a SIGN on it. The piece of cardboard has text on it that says that firearms are not permitted in the store.

Will the person who has already chosen to commit felonies while using a firearm...

A) Shrug his shoulders, say, "Aw, shucks and darn!" and then turn back, having been completely defeated by the Magical Pixie Sign

or

B) Ignore or even laugh at the sign while he doesn't even break stride entering the store to commit his felony with a firearm

?

Which will happen?

Gun bans are not intended to stop robberies and nobody thinks that they are.  They are intended to prevent liability from falling on the property owner when an angry old fart shoots someone for texting in a theater or some clumsy jackass accidentally shoots someone.  So in other words the gun bans are not caused by 'gun grabbers' but by a few irresponsible gun owners creating risks that could financially impact a business.


This is true, a gun ban is good for the business owner, but bad for the front counter employee, and by way of externality, bad for the people who are unarmed but in the store. The way to make the business owner care more about his clerk's possible death, and less about his bottom line, is for those who are against gun bans to just not go there. But corporations like Chipotle are trying to have it both ways - they "respectfully ask" that you not bring a gun into the store, but don't ban them. If you don't want to allow guns in your store, just post a notice and allow people to make the choice.
 
2014-06-26 11:23:24 AM  

Chummer45: s2s2s2: TheNewJesus: Guns are a liability to any business.

Even gun stores?


Fun fact:  many gun stores and gun shows don't allow concealed or open carry of loaded guns.


Can't imagine why...

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2014-06-26 11:25:06 AM  

stonicus: Since it happens several times a day, every single day, could you please take us some pics or video of homeless people attacking your car and banging on your windows asking for money? Not even in a "ha, prove it!" way, more of a "I think that'd be a funny video to watch" way.


to be fair, homeless people at intersections ARE a pretty regular occurrence. Attacking passers by? nah. Counter productive. The cops would have that shiat shut down post-haste.
 
2014-06-26 11:27:40 AM  

Cold_Sassy: Tricky Chicken: FirstNationalBastard: So I'll be justified next the I carry my suitcase nuke with me?

Translation: I don't always herp. But when I do, I derp.

Lighten up, Francis.  It was a farking joke.


It's never a joke. You are a sophmoric imbecile who, after being outed, went with "I was only joking" as a last ditch effort to make people think you're not stupid.

At least that's was I learned on Fark last Friday when I attempted snark.
 
2014-06-26 11:29:34 AM  

skozlaw: Tricky Chicken: Treating the mentally ill would also save the lives of the mentally ill. But nobody seems to think the loss of their lives is also tragic. If Lanza had died as a result of ebola even after infecting others, people would feel sorry for him. But since he died as a result of his mental illness, he is a monster.

A typically thoughtless and useless analogy. Kindly explain how the natural transmission of a disease to an unwitting host is similar to a woman intentionally keeping an arsenal in a house with a person known to have several mental disorders.


I can think of no way to make this simpler or more obvious to you than it already is. I am afraid that somebody else would have to point out to me how this is elusive.
 
2014-06-26 11:31:46 AM  

steve_as: Good for him! Props to the guy. Too bad people with CCW are far more likely to get killed or kill an innocent than stop an actual bad guy.


Cite your source for this "statistic".
 
2014-06-26 11:38:04 AM  

ThighsofGlory: steve_as: Good for him! Props to the guy. Too bad people with CCW are far more likely to get killed or kill an innocent than stop an actual bad guy.

Because it's so easy to prove why a crime didn't happen. Dolt.


Yes it is dolt. If your bad CCW ass whips out his six shooter (or ar15 if yr supercool) to stop a robbery, the subdued or fleeing perp has the police called to arrest him, with a resulting arrest and/or report. Dolt.
 
2014-06-26 11:41:22 AM  

Serious Post on Serious Thread: feckingmorons: I don't go to businesses that have no gun signs. I usually carry a gun.

I do go to the post office, but I can secure my gun in a locked compartment in my car. Few violent crimes in the Post Office, lots of violent crimes in stores and gas stations, and restaurants.

Businesses are free to make any rules regarding guns they wish. There are always other options for me.

I guess I'm a gun totin' zealot, but if I'm ever shot at again I want to be able to shoot back.

I'm guessing your screen name is self referential.

Where the fark do you shop/live in the US where you are regularly shot at? Do you frequent illegal gambling dens? Whore houses? Chicken fight basements? White supremacist meetings? Ameature bomb making conventions? Retard friendly gun conventions?

I mean sweet jebus, I've lived in the worst neighborhoods of NYC, Chicago, Boston and borderline shiatholes of London and Prague. And the "lots of violent crimes in stores, and gas stations, and restaurants" delusion you have is delusional.

shiat happens, but I'm more afraid of some asshole deciding he's gotta stand his ground against a kid in a hoodie or 'shoot back' in some situation hr created playing Dirty Harry and I get caught by friendly fire than I am of finding myself a victim in a bank robbery.

You are nuts. Completely paranoid delusional. And a sad example of an adult who still believes the boogie man lives under his bed. Pathetic. Frankly I wouldn't care if not for the fact you are the greatest danger to me and mines safety than any made up fantasy Charleton Heston tripe you believe.



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2014-06-26 11:42:09 AM  

Serious Post on Serious Thread: I mean sweet jebus, I've lived in the worst neighborhoods of NYC, Chicago, Boston


What Chicago neighborhood did you live in?
 
2014-06-26 11:42:30 AM  
Huge number of derps on both sides of this issue, always making for an entertaining exchange of "opinions" based on misdirection, distortion of the facts and outright lies.
 
2014-06-26 11:43:55 AM  

Tricky Chicken: skozlaw: Tricky Chicken: Treating the mentally ill would also save the lives of the mentally ill. But nobody seems to think the loss of their lives is also tragic. If Lanza had died as a result of ebola even after infecting others, people would feel sorry for him. But since he died as a result of his mental illness, he is a monster.

A typically thoughtless and useless analogy. Kindly explain how the natural transmission of a disease to an unwitting host is similar to a woman intentionally keeping an arsenal in a house with a person known to have several mental disorders.

I can think of no way to make this simpler or more obvious to you than it already is. I am afraid that somebody else would have to point out to me how this is elusive.


One is a wilfull act. The other isn't.

You're not too bright, are you?
 
2014-06-26 11:45:10 AM  
You gonna get shot! PEWPEWPEWPEWPEPWPEW!
 
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