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2014-06-26 08:57:01 AM  

dookdookdook: Man with a gun shoots a criminal: Absolute justification for unrestricted global access to firearms.

Man with a gun shoots 20 5 year olds: Random isolated incident.






Man kills 10 injuries 20 with flamethrower


Teenager kills 8 in knife attack

knife attack kills 33

Axe attacker kills 9
 
2014-06-26 08:57:11 AM  

dookdookdook: Fair enough. How about we agree to begin by restricting gun ownership for psychotics, sociopaths, and admitted tea partiers until they get the medical help they desperately need (which will of course be provided free of charge under the new single-payer universal health care scheme).


I would not agree to that as a first step at all. I would include iminently dangerous psychosies in the same category as Cholera; Diphtheria; infectious Tuberculosis; Plague; Smallpox; Yellow Fever; and Viral Hemorrhagic Fevers.  Just remove the 'communicable' from Executive Order 13295 and make it about 'diseases that present an iminent public danger'.

Then public officials including police and medical professionals would be required under law to isolate dangerously mentally ill people from the general population.

Simple. then there is no Sandy Hook, Giffords, Aurora, Navy Yard, Santa Barbera or most of the others.
 
2014-06-26 08:58:49 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: So I'll be justified next the I carry my suitcase nuke with me?


Sure and you should keep it real close to your crotch 24/7 because you never know when your going to need it and your mother said if you don't quit jerking off in the basement, come up and take out the trash she's going to cut off your allowance.
 
2014-06-26 08:59:25 AM  

dualplains: Tricky Chicken: dookdookdook: Man with a gun shoots a criminal: Absolute justification for unrestricted global access to firearms.

Man Known lunatic with access to a legally purchased gun that no proposed restrictions would have made illegal shoots 20 5 year olds: Random isolated incident.

Just a little clarification.  You can insert the 'person with documented mental problems' into almost all the mass shootings, but guns are the problem not neglecting mentally ill people.

Almost all.  But you can insert the 'guns' into ALL the 'mass shootings', so, yeah.  Guns are the problem.

/Why is this math so hard?


You can also insert 'car' into ALL drunk driving accidents.

/Your argument is invalid.
 
2014-06-26 08:59:43 AM  

lindalouwho: feckingmorons: I don't go to businesses that have no gun signs. I usually carry a gun.

I do go to the post office, but I can secure my gun in a locked compartment in my car. Few violent crimes in the Post Office, lots of violent crimes in stores and gas stations, and restaurants.

Businesses are free to make any rules regarding guns they wish. There are always other options for me.

I guess I'm a gun totin' zealot, but if I'm ever shot at again I want to be able to shoot back.

I'm a little amused by the mention of a post office since the whole "shoot 'em all up" thing was originally called "going postal".


That's also the title of an awesome book on the subject.
 
2014-06-26 09:00:45 AM  

Elzar: Ima let you gun nuts finish jacking, but what if you are seated with your family at your fave Chick-fil-a and 5 black men open the door and walk in with AK-47s. Do you:
A) Flip over the table and start trading shots
B) shrug your shoulders and begrudge them their god givn rights to open carry
C) slink out the back while speed dialing the po po


As someone who lives in Houston, I would LOVE to see this happen. I would love to see what happens when said black men walk into a restaraunt in the subburbs carrying the same kind of weapons that the Texas open carry folks are hauling around.

Now, I'm in favor of concealed carry and the Castle Doctrine. However, I really despise those Open Carry morans. (And I'm not surprised they decided to cancel their little parade into the Fifth Ward.) So I'd love to see your scenario happen, because if anything, it might get those Open Carry Trolls to stop being such idiots.

I don't believe guns are the problem. It is people who are the problem. Which is why we need more regulations on the people who would then use guns to kill. And that means we need to close all gun buying loopholes and have better background checks. And yes, there should be circumstances in which a person can lose their ability to own a firearm. That might not prevent all gun deaths (it won't) but if it can make the numbers go down, that would help.
 
2014-06-26 09:03:42 AM  

reillan: Noam Chimpsky: Do armed robbers even no how to read?

Are you an armed robber?


Obviously knot.
 
2014-06-26 09:06:10 AM  

Secret Master of All Flatulence: Rhino_man: The people who AREN'T reasonable are the open carry farkwits who lose their mind and act like spoiled children when a business tells them not to carry.

Most of the "open carry farkwits" I've heard about don't go into businesses that have "no guns" signs up, they merely publicize the fact that such stores have banned them from being armed.  This upsets the stores in question, since lots of gun owners are quite willing to boycott such stores.  Hell, I STILL will not own a S&W product due to S&W's former owner's actions during the '90s.  Sure, ownership has changed hands, but if a company tries to fark with my rights by publicly fellating our common enemies, their "brand" is forever tainted, and I'm not alone in this.  Same deal with Ruger.



Yes - Smith and Wesson was definitely the equivalent of Stalin for supporting reasonable gun regulations, and should be vilified as the traitor to our god-given rights to buy Smith and Wesson products with minimal regulation that it is.
 
2014-06-26 09:08:12 AM  

hasty ambush: dookdookdook: Man with a gun shoots a criminal: Absolute justification for unrestricted global access to firearms.

Man with a gun shoots 20 5 year olds: Random isolated incident.

Man kills 10 injuries 20 with flamethrower

Teenager kills 8 in knife attack

knife attack kills 33

Axe attacker kills 9



We obviously all need to stockpile flamethrowers, knives and axes, and carry them wherever we go at all times.  It's the only way to stop these things from happening.
 
2014-06-26 09:09:07 AM  

Tricky Chicken: dookdookdook: being a right wing militia goon qualifies as a documented mental problem?

I am not sure about 'documented, but the suggestion/argument has merits.


And people wonder why there's such opposition to laws restricting the rights of the mentally ill to own firearms?

/Remembers when homosexuality was removed as a mental illness from the DSM in '73
 
2014-06-26 09:11:36 AM  

hasty ambush: dookdookdook: Man with a gun shoots a criminal: Absolute justification for unrestricted global access to firearms.

Man with a gun shoots 20 5 year olds: Random isolated incident.


Man kills 10 injuries 20 with flamethrower

Teenager kills 8 in knife attack

knife attack kills 33

Axe attacker kills 9



One of these things is not like the others.

If your examples actually make your point, you wouldn't have to tactically manipulate your facts, like that the knife attack was by multiple attackers and that they killed 29 people, not 33.
 
2014-06-26 09:14:33 AM  

Chummer45: Yes - Smith and Wesson was definitely the equivalent of Stalin for supporting reasonable gun regulations, and should be vilified as the traitor to our god-given rights to buy Smith and Wesson products with minimal regulation that it is.


Um, no.  S&W was willing to sell out it's customer base in exchange for preferential treatment in procuring government contracts.  As a member of it's customer base, I have the right to tell S&W to DIAF and take my money elsewhere.  Same deal with Bill Ruger's willingness to go along with the anti-gunners in banning standard-capacity semi-auto magazines because, at the time, his business was mostly revolvers.
 
2014-06-26 09:17:50 AM  

feckingmorons: I don't go to businesses that have no gun signs. I usually carry a gun.

I do go to the post office, but I can secure my gun in a locked compartment in my car. Few violent crimes in the Post Office, lots of violent crimes in stores and gas stations, and restaurants.

Businesses are free to make any rules regarding guns they wish. There are always other options for me.

I guess I'm a gun totin' zealot, but if I'm ever shot at again I want to be able to shoot back.


sorry about your penis
 
2014-06-26 09:20:06 AM  

feckingmorons: I don't go to businesses that have no gun signs. I usually carry a gun.

I do go to the post office, but I can secure my gun in a locked compartment in my car. Few violent crimes in the Post Office, lots of violent crimes in stores and gas stations, and restaurants.

Businesses are free to make any rules regarding guns they wish. There are always other options for me.

I guess I'm a gun totin' zealot, but if I'm ever shot at again I want to be able to shoot back.


You won't have a chance. That's real life. I know in your mind you're Clint Eastwood starring in your own personal movie.

But that's actually a mental disorder.
 
2014-06-26 09:20:29 AM  
Obviously the CCW holder scared the manager more than the knife-wielding robber did. I blame the media hype.

/obviously we're back to "zero days since last mass shooting"
//because this was a mass shooting
///or at least meets all the criteria of previously reported mass shootings
 
2014-06-26 09:21:00 AM  

dookdookdook: cwolf20: Since some voters who vote Democrat carry concealed or just have weapons in their house.  You just called your fellow armed voters psychotics and sociopaths. Or you insulted them by calling them Tea Partiers

Do you see what your brain did there subconsciously?

I - a liberal - put forth a gun control idea that was definitively not "ban all guns ever", yet your brain still heard "THAT DIRTY LIB'S TRYIN TO GRAB ALL OUR GUNS!"  The only logical explanation must be that I was equating "psychotics, sociopaths, and teabaggers" with "all gun owners everywhere, even democrats", otherwise how could I possibly fit the liberal stereotype you have burned into your mind?


Actually what I really did. Is misread "restricting gun ownership FOR" as "restricting gun ownership  TO"  Then slapped my unintentional silliness into it.
 
2014-06-26 09:21:47 AM  

Dog Welder: I of course called Keith's Superstore in Lumberton, MS to find out what their logic was. Long story short, they were quite rude, and refused to answer any questions pertaining to this incident. Perhaps I should've asked why they didn't post a "No Knives" sign!

Yes, I'm sure he asked his questions in a non-rude manner.  That whole article is dripping with assholeishness.


He also plays fast and loose with the facts- the article claims that the stabbing was stopped by civilian carrying a concealed weapon- but the local news states that "he chased down" the assailant and held him at gun point until the cops arrived, not that he stopped the assault.  http://www.wdam.com/story/25019587/lumberton-stabbing-sends-store-man a ger-to-hospital
 
2014-06-26 09:22:19 AM  

Tricky Chicken: Then public officials including police and medical professionals would be required under law to isolate dangerously mentally ill people from the general population.

Simple. then there is no Sandy Hook, Giffords, Aurora, Navy Yard, Santa Barbera or most of the others.


The laws that make this possible are still in place. The problem is that they were defunded. So in all seriousness I ask; where is the money to take care of these people going to come from?
 
2014-06-26 09:22:21 AM  

Chummer45: dookdookdook: cwolf20: Since some voters who vote Democrat carry concealed or just have weapons in their house.  You just called your fellow armed voters psychotics and sociopaths. Or you insulted them by calling them Tea Partiers

Do you see what your brain did there subconsciously?

I - a liberal - put forth a gun control idea that was definitively not "ban all guns ever", yet your brain still heard "THAT DIRTY LIB'S TRYIN TO GRAB ALL OUR GUNS!"  The only logical explanation must be that I was equating "psychotics, sociopaths, and teabaggers" with "all gun owners everywhere, even democrats", otherwise how could I possibly fit the liberal stereotype you have burned into your mind?


The lizard brain hears what it wants to hear.


See my reply.  Replace lizard with "damn new cat causing insomnia where the hell is my caffeine, ooh ice cream. Wait, I'm at work"
 
2014-06-26 09:22:30 AM  

Chummer45: Secret Master of All Flatulence: Rhino_man: The people who AREN'T reasonable are the open carry farkwits who lose their mind and act like spoiled children when a business tells them not to carry.

Most of the "open carry farkwits" I've heard about don't go into businesses that have "no guns" signs up, they merely publicize the fact that such stores have banned them from being armed.  This upsets the stores in question, since lots of gun owners are quite willing to boycott such stores.  Hell, I STILL will not own a S&W product due to S&W's former owner's actions during the '90s.  Sure, ownership has changed hands, but if a company tries to fark with my rights by publicly fellating our common enemies, their "brand" is forever tainted, and I'm not alone in this.  Same deal with Ruger.


Yes - Smith and Wesson was definitely the equivalent of Stalin for supporting reasonable gun regulations, and should be vilified as the traitor to our god-given rights to buy Smith and Wesson products with minimal regulation that it is.


But you don't understand. They were selling TRIGGER LOCKS with all their pistols. TRIGGER LOCKS. Greatest threat to our Constitutional rights since the Alien & Sedition Acts of 1798.
 
2014-06-26 09:23:40 AM  

onyxruby: cwolf20: Since some voters who vote Democrat carry concealed or just have weapons in their house. You just called your fellow armed voters psychotics and sociopaths. Or you insulted them by calling them Tea Partiers

What color is the sky in your world? Your response is completely incoherent and at best only vaguely related to what I wrote. I sure as hell never called anyone a psychopath or a sociopath. I certainly didn't call anyone a Tea Partier and in fact said I'm not a sympathizer of theirs. I never said anything about democrats and I sure as hell didn't say anything about voting.

You have jumped the shark so far I'm not sure if getting back on your meds would do you any good.


Once again, see my Weeners, then buy yourself a cookie.  I can't go out to a bakery while at work, so you get to lovingly chow down on it knowing I'm going to salivate at my monitor all day.
 
2014-06-26 09:24:33 AM  

Cold_Sassy: Tricky Chicken: FirstNationalBastard: So I'll be justified next the I carry my suitcase nuke with me?

Translation: I don't always herp. But when I do, I derp.

Lighten up, Francis.  It was a farking joke.


I like you.

I like you so much, I'd only have one gun on me if we ever met.

/and it would be a small one.
 
2014-06-26 09:26:13 AM  
onyxruby: 
What color is the sky in your world? Your response is completely incoherent and at best only vaguely related to what I wrote. I sure as hell never called anyone a psychopath or a sociopath. I certainly didn't call anyone a Tea Partier and in fact said I'm not a sympathizer of theirs. I never said anything about democrats and I sure as hell didn't say anything about voting.

You have jumped the shark so far I'm not sure if getting back on your meds would do you any good.


Well, if you want to see my wiener I'm afraid I'm not going to indulge you.  If it's hot dogs, still not going to. Those are mine.

However I said  "r e p l y"
 
2014-06-26 09:26:14 AM  

Secret Master of All Flatulence: Tricky Chicken: dookdookdook: being a right wing militia goon qualifies as a documented mental problem?

I am not sure about 'documented, but the suggestion/argument has merits.

And people wonder why there's such opposition to laws restricting the rights of the mentally ill to own firearms?

/Remembers when homosexuality was removed as a mental illness from the DSM in '73


The actual 'right wing militia' isn't necessarily indicative of mental illness.  But the frequently accompanied paranoia may be indicative of an underlying mental issue.  Not all paranoia is illness mind you, but some is.

I wonder if there is a statistically significant higher representation of clinical paranoia in militia populations.  Seems like a populaiton that might be resistant to study.
 
2014-06-26 09:26:44 AM  

salvador.hardin: hasty ambush: dookdookdook: Man with a gun shoots a criminal: Absolute justification for unrestricted global access to firearms.

Man with a gun shoots 20 5 year olds: Random isolated incident.


Man kills 10 injuries 20 with flamethrower

Teenager kills 8 in knife attack

knife attack kills 33

Axe attacker kills 9


One of these things is not like the others.

If your examples actually make your point, you wouldn't have to tactically manipulate your facts, like that the knife attack was by multiple attackers and that they killed 29 people, not 33.


Revise figures update to 33 also 143 injured.  Divide 176 by number of attackers



Link
 
2014-06-26 09:27:27 AM  

onzmadi: feckingmorons: I don't go to businesses that have no gun signs. I usually carry a gun.

I do go to the post office, but I can secure my gun in a locked compartment in my car. Few violent crimes in the Post Office, lots of violent crimes in stores and gas stations, and restaurants.

Businesses are free to make any rules regarding guns they wish. There are always other options for me.

I guess I'm a gun totin' zealot, but if I'm ever shot at again I want to be able to shoot back.

sorry about your penis


Your psychological obsession with feckingmoron's genitals is not an appropriate subject for this discussion.
 
2014-06-26 09:27:34 AM  

ko_kyi: To paraphrase another Farker, guns are tools of murder, pure and simple, and as such only belong in the hands of the government.


I, for one, appreciated your comment for the snark it is.
 
2014-06-26 09:27:57 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Cold_Sassy: Tricky Chicken: FirstNationalBastard: So I'll be justified next the I carry my suitcase nuke with me?

Translation: I don't always herp. But when I do, I derp.

Lighten up, Francis.  It was a farking joke.

I like you.

I like you so much, I'd only have one gun on me if we ever met.

/and it would be a small one.


That's all I usually have at a time ;)
 
2014-06-26 09:29:38 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: FreakyBunny:  Cheney and Bush broke international law and as a consequence over 100,000 people were killed.

The Iraq Resolution a/k/a The Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 passed  the Senate 77 - 23 and House 297 - 133.  Just shy of 60% of Democrat Senators voted for it.


Oh snap

/LOL
 
2014-06-26 09:30:13 AM  

KeatingFive: feckingmorons: I don't go to businesses that have no gun signs. I usually carry a gun.

I do go to the post office, but I can secure my gun in a locked compartment in my car. Few violent crimes in the Post Office, lots of violent crimes in stores and gas stations, and restaurants.

Businesses are free to make any rules regarding guns they wish. There are always other options for me.

I guess I'm a gun totin' zealot, but if I'm ever shot at again I want to be able to shoot back.

You won't have a chance. That's real life. I know in your mind you're Clint Eastwood starring in your own personal movie.

But that's actually a mental disorder.


You are correct; absolutely no concealed weapons permit holder has ever, at any time, successfully utilized a firearm for purposes of defense, and the belief that news reports of such successful defenses exist are actually psychotic delusions.

Fortunately, no such news reports exist in reality, because the existence of even one would demonstrate your claim to be false.
 
2014-06-26 09:33:27 AM  

ajgeek: Tricky Chicken: Then public officials including police and medical professionals would be required under law to isolate dangerously mentally ill people from the general population.

Simple. then there is no Sandy Hook, Giffords, Aurora, Navy Yard, Santa Barbera or most of the others.

The laws that make this possible are still in place. The problem is that they were defunded. So in all seriousness I ask; where is the money to take care of these people going to come from?


If a doctor suspects you of having communicable Yellow Fever, he is required by law to have you quarrantined, by force and against your will if necessary.

I wasn't aware that they have the same requirements for dangerous mental illnesses.
 
2014-06-26 09:34:10 AM  

soporific: I don't believe guns are the problem. It is people who are the problem. Which is why we need more regulations on the people who would then use guns to kill. And that means we need to close all gun buying loopholes and have better background checks. And yes, there should be circumstances in which a person can lose their ability to own a firearm. That might not prevent all gun deaths (it won't) but if it can make the numbers go down, that would help.


I have been assured that not advocating a complete prohibition upon civilian ownership of all semi-automatic firearms demonstrates an advocacy of "all guns, all the time, everywhere, for everyone". Clearly, then, you are misrepresenting your beliefs.

I have also been assured that opposing a prohibition upon civilian ownership of .50 caliber rifles, with government confiscation of currently owned firearms, demonstrates an individual to be a "bagger".
 
2014-06-26 09:34:43 AM  
Years ago, I was married to a "if I can't have you, no one can" type.  So, my lawyer strongly encourage me to get trained, and get a CCW permit.  I did, and have kept it current, even though I haven't carried in years.

I later worked at a place that had a stranger on employee assault prior to my getting hired.  I was issued a manual that said no weapons would be tolerated.  Instead, we were given emergency alert buttons that have a range that supposedly extended to the parking lot.  If we felt threatened, we were to hit the panic buttons and the cops would show up.  After several situations in the parking lots, in which the cops did not arrive, we were told to leave our buttons inside when leaving,  All of this because the insurance company liability issues.  Most everybody that wasn't management started carrying a variety of items that could double as a weapon.  It was surreal.
 
2014-06-26 09:35:30 AM  
CSB:

I worked with a boss who told me that if we ever were getting robbed, under NO circumstances was anyone to hit the silent alarm while the robbers were there.  His reasoning is that the cops were going to be coming in with their guns drawn, the robbers already have their guns out, and we were the ones either getting hit in the crossfire or taken hostage.

/Just give them the money as quickly and politely as possible
 
2014-06-26 09:36:20 AM  

skozlaw: You sound like the kind of reasoned and rational person who should be owning deadly weapons...


Hey, if a company makes it painfully obvious that it doesn't want my money, I'm willing to honor their request and take my business to an establishment that does.  Given the number of gun owners (70+ million) in this country, even if only 10% of gun owners feel as I do, there will be no shortage of businesses happy to cater to our combined idiosyncrasies.  I'd also note that I've "voted with my feet"...in other words, I've chosen NOT to live anywhere near where I was born, instead choosing to live someplace where my views are seen as "strictly vanilla" and nowhere near extreme.

One other note:  For the person in the last gun thread who was wondering if my wife is "pre-op"?  I can't say for sure, as I only met her when she was in her early teens.  (Before somebody gets even more snarky and brings up the whole "statutory rape" thing, I've known her since she was in her early teens, we started dating when she was in her mid-20's, we got married when she was in her early 30's, and didn't start breeding until she was in her mid 30's.)  Given that I was in the OR and saw the OB/GYN remove both of our children from her, I think it's highly probable that she is genetically female.  Even so, she's probably still got a bigger penis than most "XY" anti-gunners.
 
2014-06-26 09:36:49 AM  

feckingmorons: I don't go to businesses that have no gun signs. I usually carry a gun.

I do go to the post office, but I can secure my gun in a locked compartment in my car. Few violent crimes in the Post Office, lots of violent crimes in stores and gas stations, and restaurants.

Businesses are free to make any rules regarding guns they wish. There are always other options for me.

I guess I'm a gun totin' zealot, but if I'm ever shot at again I want to be able to shoot back.


Well, you are a bit of a zealot, but at least you're not in a frothing rage about it, screaming about how Target offends your second amendment rights to use your gun as a buttplug wherever you damn well please.  You're taking a sensible course of action based on your own beliefs (though I, personally, find those beliefs to be a bit paranoid).  That makes you good people.
 
2014-06-26 09:37:29 AM  

dookdookdook: Man with a gun shoots 20 5 year olds: Random isolated incident.


you know what's great about 20 5 year olds?

...wait, that's not the right setup.

/nvrmnd
 
2014-06-26 09:40:46 AM  

steve_as: Good for him! Props to the guy. Too bad people with CCW are far more likely to get killed or kill an innocent than stop an actual bad guy.


[citation needed]
 
2014-06-26 09:41:08 AM  

GoldSpider: It sounds like you frequently put yourself into places/situations where you fear you may be shot at.  I wonder why that is.


Last time I faced off with people trying to kill me was in my driveway.  There was a huge storm during the day and the neighborhood lost power. So when I got home from work at about 10pm, I walked around the house looking for storm damage. When I came from the back yard in to the driveway and locked the gate behind me I started walking back to the front of my house, but I heard 2 guys yelling that they were going to kill me. They had chosen to take advantage of the blackout and the fact that all police and emergency services were busy handling traffic duty and storm issues to come kill whoever they thought I was.
They started backing me in to the corner between my house and my fence while I was trying to explain that I wasn't whoever they thought I was. They weren't listening, so I subtly unconcealed the gun on my him and grabbed it. As I was about to draw, the "back-up guy" (behind the truly angry man) must have saw what was about to happen, because he grabbed his friend by the shoulders and pulled him back, literally apologizing for the confusion and dragging his friend away.
Legally, I could have shot them both. They came on to my property, during a blackout, 2 to 1, for the stated purpose of killing me.
So are you saying I shouldn't frequent my own home?
I carry a gun because I'm not under the misunderstanding that I could rely on the police to help me in an emergency or that I might never have to face off with people trying to kill me for no reason.
 
2014-06-26 09:41:15 AM  

cherryl taggart: Years ago, I was married to a "if I can't have you, no one can" type.  So, my lawyer strongly encourage me to get trained, and get a CCW permit.  I did, and have kept it current, even though I haven't carried in years.

I later worked at a place that had a stranger on employee assault prior to my getting hired.  I was issued a manual that said no weapons would be tolerated.  Instead, we were given emergency alert buttons that have a range that supposedly extended to the parking lot.  If we felt threatened, we were to hit the panic buttons and the cops would show up.  After several situations in the parking lots, in which the cops did not arrive, we were told to leave our buttons inside when leaving,  All of this because the insurance company liability issues.  Most everybody that wasn't management started carrying a variety of items that could double as a weapon.  It was surreal.


I was, at one time, employed as a cashier in a grocery store and while there I primarily worked third shift hours.

I was informed one day that another third-shift employee had been assaulted, struck and robbed by a customer.

Evidently, she asked if carrying pepper spray would be permissible. Reportedly, she was told that doing so was forbidden. She later resigned.

I purchased a canister of pepper spray and I began carrying it in a way that kept it visibly hanging from my pocket at all times. I never asked permission. No one said anything about it.

/Even after an incident of a pepper spray release in the produce department.
//I was nowhere nearby at the time.
 
2014-06-26 09:42:17 AM  

MyRandomName: FirstNationalBastard: So I'll be justified next the I carry my suitcase nuke with me?

One day idiots will learn the difference between arms and ordnance. One day...


The Army Ordnance Museum doesn't know your nonsense definition of ordnance either:  http://www.williammaloney.com/Aviation/AberdeenUSArmyOrdinanceMuseum/ M useum/index.htm
 
2014-06-26 09:43:07 AM  

Tricky Chicken: The actual 'right wing militia' isn't necessarily indicative of mental illness.  But the frequently accompanied paranoia may be indicative of an underlying mental issue.  Not all paranoia is illness mind you, but some is.

I wonder if there is a statistically significant higher representation of clinical paranoia in militia populations.  Seems like a populaiton that might be resistant to study.


While I've never tried to research the issue, I suspect that the further you go to both the left and the right, the higher the rates of mental illness will go.  I suspect that it's not a "left wing" or a "right wing" issue, it's a "fringe" issue.  It's also important to note that "a broken clock is right twice a day".  Just because somebody is on the "lunatic fringe", left OR right, doesn't mean that they may not have a point.  Prime example:  the idea that the government is monitoring us was seen as being fairly nutty lunatic fringe....until Snowden.
 
2014-06-26 09:43:19 AM  

thedumbone: White_Scarf_Syndrome: "OMG why do you carry a pistol in the car? With your son too??"
"You see all these homeless people on every single corner?"
"Well yeah, they need help.."
"When they are banging on my window my only option is to point it at them or pull forward into the intersection and get t-boned.  What would you do?"
"...."

Banging on your window is not life threatening and is no reason to pull a gun.  Don't pull a gun unless you plan to USE it.  I recommend option C - be uncomfortable for a few seconds.


Depends on what he uses to bang on your window.
 
2014-06-26 09:43:28 AM  

lenfromak: steve_as: Good for him! Props to the guy. Too bad people with CCW are far more likely to get killed or kill an innocent than stop an actual bad guy.

[citation needed]


A study of gunshot victims in Philadelphia determined that people who were carrying firearms, without any differentiation between those who carried legally and who carried illegally and without analysis of any other demographic factor apart from age, determined that people who carried firearms were more likely to be shot than those who did not.
 
2014-06-26 09:43:37 AM  

hasty ambush: salvador.hardin: hasty ambush: dookdookdook: Man with a gun shoots a criminal: Absolute justification for unrestricted global access to firearms.

Man with a gun shoots 20 5 year olds: Random isolated incident.


Man kills 10 injuries 20 with flamethrower

Teenager kills 8 in knife attack

knife attack kills 33

Axe attacker kills 9


One of these things is not like the others.

If your examples actually make your point, you wouldn't have to tactically manipulate your facts, like that the knife attack was by multiple attackers and that they killed 29 people, not 33.

Revise figures update to 33 also 143 injured.  Divide 176 by number of attackers

Link


The 33 includes the four assailants that were shot dead by a single police officer armed with an automatic weapon (another was injured). It isn't a huge difference, but if you are making the point that knives are just as lethal as guns then you don't get to inflate the number with gun deaths.
 
2014-06-26 09:43:47 AM  

boinkingbill: This is an excellent way to keep guns out of one's store.  Just look at how well the "Drug Fee Zone" signs at schools have worked.  Actually, they should start putting signs at the entrances of high rise building saying:  "No jumping from roof top".  I bet that would get rid of a lot of bad DNA.


Pretty much.  The type person you don't want carrying a gun into that store, will still be carrying the same gun into that store, just as illegally as before.  It's the responsible gun owners that will comply.
 
2014-06-26 09:45:52 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: So I'll be justified next the I carry my suitcase nuke with me?


Let me see if I got this right.  You carry a Duke Nukem action figure in a suitcase?

www.figurerealm.com
 
2014-06-26 09:47:28 AM  
Ah, this thread again. I thought it was impossible for civilian to stop a crime, because every criminal is Lex Luther and every concealed carry is Yosemite Sam.
 
2014-06-26 09:47:39 AM  

FTDA: FirstNationalBastard: So I'll be justified next the I carry my suitcase nuke with me?

Let me see if I got this right.  You carry a Duke Nukem action figure in a suitcase?


I was told they would be highly collectible!

You have to protect your investment.
 
2014-06-26 09:48:00 AM  

Elzar: Ima let you gun nuts finish jacking, but what if you are seated with your family at your fave Chick-fil-a and 5 black men open the door and walk in with AK-47s. Do you:
A) Flip over the table and start trading shots
B) shrug your shoulders and begrudge them their god givn rights to open carry
C) slink out the back while speed dialing the po po


Where did they get AK-47's?
 
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