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2014-06-26 09:47:28 AM
Ah, this thread again. I thought it was impossible for civilian to stop a crime, because every criminal is Lex Luther and every concealed carry is Yosemite Sam.
 
2014-06-26 09:47:39 AM

FTDA: FirstNationalBastard: So I'll be justified next the I carry my suitcase nuke with me?

Let me see if I got this right.  You carry a Duke Nukem action figure in a suitcase?


I was told they would be highly collectible!

You have to protect your investment.
 
2014-06-26 09:48:00 AM

Elzar: Ima let you gun nuts finish jacking, but what if you are seated with your family at your fave Chick-fil-a and 5 black men open the door and walk in with AK-47s. Do you:
A) Flip over the table and start trading shots
B) shrug your shoulders and begrudge them their god givn rights to open carry
C) slink out the back while speed dialing the po po


Where did they get AK-47's?
 
2014-06-26 09:49:06 AM

ko_kyi: To paraphrase another Farker, guns are tools of murder, pure and simple, and as such only belong in the hands of the government.


My actual statement is that deadly semi-automatic assault weapons are tools of murder that should only be possessed by law enforcement agents.

Conventional firearms without assault weapon features may be owned by civilians, provided that they undergo an extensive six-month minimum application process with arbitrary criteria for approval or rejection.
 
2014-06-26 09:50:19 AM

WTFDYW: Zeb Hesselgresser: FreakyBunny:  Cheney and Bush broke international law and as a consequence over 100,000 people were killed.

The Iraq Resolution a/k/a The Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 passed  the Senate 77 - 23 and House 297 - 133.  Just shy of 60% of Democrat Senators voted for it.

Oh snap

/LOL


The AUMF didn't authorize violations of the Geneva Conventions. Nor does it justify the campaign of falsehoods used to get it passed.
 
2014-06-26 09:51:05 AM

Secret Master of All Flatulence: Prime example: the idea that the government is monitoring us was seen as being fairly nutty lunatic fringe....until Snowden


Well...

Paranoia that the gov't is reading my email is one thing.

Paranoia that the gov't inserted a chip into my polio vaccine scar to track me is another.
 
2014-06-26 09:51:23 AM

LazyMedia: Chummer45: Secret Master of All Flatulence: Rhino_man: The people who AREN'T reasonable are the open carry farkwits who lose their mind and act like spoiled children when a business tells them not to carry.

Most of the "open carry farkwits" I've heard about don't go into businesses that have "no guns" signs up, they merely publicize the fact that such stores have banned them from being armed.  This upsets the stores in question, since lots of gun owners are quite willing to boycott such stores.  Hell, I STILL will not own a S&W product due to S&W's former owner's actions during the '90s.  Sure, ownership has changed hands, but if a company tries to fark with my rights by publicly fellating our common enemies, their "brand" is forever tainted, and I'm not alone in this.  Same deal with Ruger.


Yes - Smith and Wesson was definitely the equivalent of Stalin for supporting reasonable gun regulations, and should be vilified as the traitor to our god-given rights to buy Smith and Wesson products with minimal regulation that it is.

But you don't understand. They were selling TRIGGER LOCKS with all their pistols. TRIGGER LOCKS. Greatest threat to our Constitutional rights since the Alien & Sedition Acts of 1798.



How DARE S&W try to make their products safer around children!!??  How DARE S&W admit that its products are actually pretty dangerous and must be handled and stored responsibly? Monsters.
 
2014-06-26 09:52:30 AM

lack of warmth: boinkingbill: This is an excellent way to keep guns out of one's store.  Just look at how well the "Drug Fee Zone" signs at schools have worked.  Actually, they should start putting signs at the entrances of high rise building saying:  "No jumping from roof top".  I bet that would get rid of a lot of bad DNA.

Pretty much.  The type person you don't want carrying a gun into that store, will still be carrying the same gun into that store, just as illegally as before.  It's the responsible gun owners that will comply.



Exactly. That's why it's pointless to have any laws in the first place. Criminals are just going to break them no matter what by definition.
 
2014-06-26 09:52:53 AM

Dimensio: ko_kyi: To paraphrase another Farker, guns are tools of murder, pure and simple, and as such only belong in the hands of the government.

My actual statement is that deadly semi-automatic assault weapons are tools of murder that should only be possessed by law enforcement agents.

Conventional firearms without assault weapon features may be owned by civilians, provided that they undergo an extensive six-month minimum application process with arbitrary criteria for approval or rejection.


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2014-06-26 09:53:00 AM
I always show up late to the gun threads.  Only two penis references so far and no one has fact-checked whether or not the assailant was wearing a hoodie.  Am I on a FARK clone site?

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2014-06-26 09:55:59 AM

ThatGuyOverThere: I carry a gun because I'm not under the misunderstanding that I could rely on the police to help me in an emergency or that I might never have to face off with people trying to kill me for no reason.


This OBVIOUSLY makes you a paranoid lunatic, just like those people who are CLEARLY arsonists because they choose to keep a fire extinguisher in their cars.
 
2014-06-26 09:57:20 AM

trevzie: Dimensio: ko_kyi: To paraphrase another Farker, guns are tools of murder, pure and simple, and as such only belong in the hands of the government.

My actual statement is that deadly semi-automatic assault weapons are tools of murder that should only be possessed by law enforcement agents.

Conventional firearms without assault weapon features may be owned by civilians, provided that they undergo an extensive six-month minimum application process with arbitrary criteria for approval or rejection.

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2014-06-26 09:58:16 AM

trevzie: Ah, this thread again. I thought it was impossible for civilian to stop a crime, because every criminal is Lex Luther and every concealed carry is Yosemite Sam.


But what if Lex conceal carries Yosemite Sam
 
2014-06-26 09:59:11 AM

LazyMedia: Chummer45: Secret Master of All Flatulence: Rhino_man: The people who AREN'T reasonable are the open carry farkwits who lose their mind and act like spoiled children when a business tells them not to carry.

Most of the "open carry farkwits" I've heard about don't go into businesses that have "no guns" signs up, they merely publicize the fact that such stores have banned them from being armed.  This upsets the stores in question, since lots of gun owners are quite willing to boycott such stores.  Hell, I STILL will not own a S&W product due to S&W's former owner's actions during the '90s.  Sure, ownership has changed hands, but if a company tries to fark with my rights by publicly fellating our common enemies, their "brand" is forever tainted, and I'm not alone in this.  Same deal with Ruger.


Yes - Smith and Wesson was definitely the equivalent of Stalin for supporting reasonable gun regulations, and should be vilified as the traitor to our god-given rights to buy Smith and Wesson products with minimal regulation that it is.

But you don't understand. They were selling TRIGGER LOCKS with all their pistols. TRIGGER LOCKS. Greatest threat to our Constitutional rights since the Alien & Sedition Acts of 1798.


The S&W trigger locks that were built into the gun, have serious design flaws that are very dangerous.
 
2014-06-26 09:59:44 AM

White_Scarf_Syndrome: HotWingConspiracy: White_Scarf_Syndrome: "OMG why do you carry a pistol in the car? With your son too??"
"You see all these homeless people on every single corner?"
"Well yeah, they need help.."
"When they are banging on my window my only option is to point it at them or pull forward into the intersection and get t-boned.  What would you do?"
"...."

Where the fark do you live?

The capital of Texas has a ridiculous homeless policy.  There are people on almost every single highway intersection begging.  Walking up and down the red lights with some sign.  Some dog or puppy they have trained.  I'm not an anti-homeless person, but it's just too much, and I don't trust them.  They are clearly mentally unstable and I have no problem carrying a pistol on my front seat when I have my son.  I have had them just completely go off for no reason other than me ignoring them, waving hi, saying sorry no cash, stopping too quickly, stopping too slowly, "almost" hitting them when they are walking in the street on an interstate highway, the list goes on and on.

But yeah, I'm supposed to just sit there and "be uncomfortable for a few minutes."

fark that.  It wears on you when it's several times a day every single day.  I like it here but there are some really really screwed up things about Austin.  Also the hipsters.  Don't even get me started.


You know, maybe you're right, but I have serious doubts. Plenty of homeless begging in the places I've lived, and they don't generally do anything close to what you're describing. It seems to me like you're greatly exaggerating.
 
2014-06-26 10:01:41 AM

Dimensio: A study of gunshot victims in Philadelphia determined that people who were carrying firearms, without any differentiation between those who carried legally and who carried illegally and without analysis of any other demographic factor apart from age, determined that people who carried firearms were more likely to be shot than those who did not.


Right.  I suspect that a question about the carrier's "occupation" might produce some interesting results, something along the lines of "I'm illegally in a gang, I illegally sell drugs, so I illegally carry a firearm."

Once again:  Correlation /= Causation.
 
2014-06-26 10:01:49 AM
If concealed carry permit holders actually stopped so many crimes, you'd think that gun fetish sites wouldn't have to make them up.  They would just link to news reports of them.  Makes you wonder why they didn't link to the local news report on this case that doesn't claim the concealed carry guy stopped the assault- he  just ran after him after he was done stabbing the clerk.
 
2014-06-26 10:03:34 AM

ThatGuyOverThere: GoldSpider: It sounds like you frequently put yourself into places/situations where you fear you may be shot at.  I wonder why that is.

Last time I faced off with people trying to kill me was in my driveway.  There was a huge storm during the day and the neighborhood lost power. So when I got home from work at about 10pm, I walked around the house looking for storm damage. When I came from the back yard in to the driveway and locked the gate behind me I started walking back to the front of my house, but I heard 2 guys yelling that they were going to kill me. They had chosen to take advantage of the blackout and the fact that all police and emergency services were busy handling traffic duty and storm issues to come kill whoever they thought I was.
They started backing me in to the corner between my house and my fence while I was trying to explain that I wasn't whoever they thought I was. They weren't listening, so I subtly unconcealed the gun on my him and grabbed it. As I was about to draw, the "back-up guy" (behind the truly angry man) must have saw what was about to happen, because he grabbed his friend by the shoulders and pulled him back, literally apologizing for the confusion and dragging his friend away.
Legally, I could have shot them both. They came on to my property, during a blackout, 2 to 1, for the stated purpose of killing me.
So are you saying I shouldn't frequent my own home?
I carry a gun because I'm not under the misunderstanding that I could rely on the police to help me in an emergency or that I might never have to face off with people trying to kill me for no reason.


You definately should have murdered them for trying to find out who was roaming around on their neighbors property during a storm. You big hero.
 
2014-06-26 10:03:47 AM

Secret Master of All Flatulence: ThatGuyOverThere: I carry a gun because I'm not under the misunderstanding that I could rely on the police to help me in an emergency or that I might never have to face off with people trying to kill me for no reason.

This OBVIOUSLY makes you a paranoid lunatic, just like those people who are CLEARLY arsonists because they choose to keep a fire extinguisher in their cars.



I have no problem with people owning guns.  What I have a problem with is America's insane gun culture that is so quick to disregard the fact that treats guns as these magical devices representing the nothing less than the embodiment of freedom and liberty, rather than what they actually are: deadly weapons that need to be regulated as such.  It's absurd that in many states people can carry a gun around without any training whatsoever.  And in most states there aren't any mandatory safe storage requirements,etc.  No other dangerous consumer product in America is given the same treatment and reverence that we give guns.

So I'm not "anti-gun."  I own five long guns and three handguns.  But I am anti gun-culture/gun lobby.  The thing that I find so disturbing about the gun culture in the US is that it is something that was relatively recently invented and perpetuated by the gun industry's lobby, which prioritizes increasing and maximizing gun sales over safety.  Their lobbying record is proof of that.  But most gun nuts I talk to have no awareness of that fact, or are just willfully blind to it.  Instead of acknowledging that our gun laws need to be tightened up, they just go on talking about how any increased regulation is nothing less than a ploy by liberal gun grabbers who are going to get us all killed by disarming us.
 
2014-06-26 10:04:08 AM
Guns are a liability to any business.
 
2014-06-26 10:04:38 AM

mschwenk: LazyMedia: Chummer45: Secret Master of All Flatulence: Rhino_man: The people who AREN'T reasonable are the open carry farkwits who lose their mind and act like spoiled children when a business tells them not to carry.

Most of the "open carry farkwits" I've heard about don't go into businesses that have "no guns" signs up, they merely publicize the fact that such stores have banned them from being armed.  This upsets the stores in question, since lots of gun owners are quite willing to boycott such stores.  Hell, I STILL will not own a S&W product due to S&W's former owner's actions during the '90s.  Sure, ownership has changed hands, but if a company tries to fark with my rights by publicly fellating our common enemies, their "brand" is forever tainted, and I'm not alone in this.  Same deal with Ruger.


Yes - Smith and Wesson was definitely the equivalent of Stalin for supporting reasonable gun regulations, and should be vilified as the traitor to our god-given rights to buy Smith and Wesson products with minimal regulation that it is.

But you don't understand. They were selling TRIGGER LOCKS with all their pistols. TRIGGER LOCKS. Greatest threat to our Constitutional rights since the Alien & Sedition Acts of 1798.

The S&W trigger locks that were built into the gun, have serious design flaws that are very dangerous.



Yes - countless people were killed by those trigger locks as opposed to the guns themselves - right?
 
2014-06-26 10:05:40 AM

cwolf20: trevzie: Ah, this thread again. I thought it was impossible for civilian to stop a crime, because every criminal is Lex Luther and every concealed carry is Yosemite Sam.

But what if Lex conceal carries Yosemite Sam


Duh,

Lex open carries Yosemitie Sam.

Smacking forehead.
 
2014-06-26 10:06:24 AM
So far in this thread:
Being assaulted daily in your car by gangs of homeless people.
A power outage turns your neighbors into wandering mindless murderers.
Constant daily events that necessitate the need for a gun.

I would say, if you live in places like that, your #1 priority isn't to get a gun.
Your #1 priority should be to move the hell away.
 
2014-06-26 10:06:45 AM

TheGregiss: ThatGuyOverThere: GoldSpider: It sounds like you frequently put yourself into places/situations where you fear you may be shot at.  I wonder why that is.

Last time I faced off with people trying to kill me was in my driveway.  There was a huge storm during the day and the neighborhood lost power. So when I got home from work at about 10pm, I walked around the house looking for storm damage. When I came from the back yard in to the driveway and locked the gate behind me I started walking back to the front of my house, but I heard 2 guys yelling that they were going to kill me. They had chosen to take advantage of the blackout and the fact that all police and emergency services were busy handling traffic duty and storm issues to come kill whoever they thought I was.
They started backing me in to the corner between my house and my fence while I was trying to explain that I wasn't whoever they thought I was. They weren't listening, so I subtly unconcealed the gun on my him and grabbed it. As I was about to draw, the "back-up guy" (behind the truly angry man) must have saw what was about to happen, because he grabbed his friend by the shoulders and pulled him back, literally apologizing for the confusion and dragging his friend away.
Legally, I could have shot them both. They came on to my property, during a blackout, 2 to 1, for the stated purpose of killing me.
So are you saying I shouldn't frequent my own home?
I carry a gun because I'm not under the misunderstanding that I could rely on the police to help me in an emergency or that I might never have to face off with people trying to kill me for no reason.

You definately should have murdered them for trying to find out who was roaming around on their neighbors property during a storm. You big hero.


I was unaware that you were a witness to the confrontation. Please explain what actually happened, based upon your direct observations, and contrast it to the account above.
 
2014-06-26 10:06:49 AM
Stay calm and conceal carry Batman

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2014-06-26 10:07:01 AM

TheGregiss: ThatGuyOverThere: GoldSpider: It sounds like you frequently put yourself into places/situations where you fear you may be shot at.  I wonder why that is.

Last time I faced off with people trying to kill me was in my driveway.  There was a huge storm during the day and the neighborhood lost power. So when I got home from work at about 10pm, I walked around the house looking for storm damage. When I came from the back yard in to the driveway and locked the gate behind me I started walking back to the front of my house, but I heard 2 guys yelling that they were going to kill me. They had chosen to take advantage of the blackout and the fact that all police and emergency services were busy handling traffic duty and storm issues to come kill whoever they thought I was.
They started backing me in to the corner between my house and my fence while I was trying to explain that I wasn't whoever they thought I was. They weren't listening, so I subtly unconcealed the gun on my him and grabbed it. As I was about to draw, the "back-up guy" (behind the truly angry man) must have saw what was about to happen, because he grabbed his friend by the shoulders and pulled him back, literally apologizing for the confusion and dragging his friend away.
Legally, I could have shot them both. They came on to my property, during a blackout, 2 to 1, for the stated purpose of killing me.
So are you saying I shouldn't frequent my own home?
I carry a gun because I'm not under the misunderstanding that I could rely on the police to help me in an emergency or that I might never have to face off with people trying to kill me for no reason.

You definately should have murdered them for trying to find out who was roaming around on their neighbors property during a storm. You big hero.



So two guys suddenly became homicidal maniacs determined to murder a random stranger for no reason whatsoever, but then totally came to their senses when they realized you had a gun?    I sense a whiff of bullshiat in the air.
 
2014-06-26 10:07:17 AM

TheNewJesus: Guns are a liability to any business.


Even gun stores?
 
2014-06-26 10:08:25 AM

s2s2s2: TheNewJesus: Guns are a liability to any business.

Even gun stores?



Fun fact:  many gun stores and gun shows don't allow concealed or open carry of loaded guns.
 
2014-06-26 10:08:37 AM

stonicus: Your #1 priority should be to move the hell away.


Just as easily done as said!
 
2014-06-26 10:09:14 AM

rooftop235: Sounds like a move by the upper management. I'll bet the manager who got stabbed would rather have that sign down. But then again, maybe it is a good idea because the gun totin' zealots might pop out of the woodwork.


Yeah, I suspect the incident made management realize the signs weren't up.

feckingmorons: Businesses are free to make any rules regarding guns they wish. There are always other options for me.


Around here I"m not aware of a major grocery store without a no-guns sign.

abhorrent1: It's concealed. How would they know? And even if they did find out, other than kick you out what can they do? Could you be arrested? I mean, it's a store policy not a law.


Around here you certainly can be arrested.  The no-guns sign makes it into an area that concealed carry is not permitted.
 
2014-06-26 10:09:16 AM
One time guys, this guy came slowly stalking down my street, every few minutes he would stop and fumble for something in his car before moving on. There were kids out playing and this guy kept creeping on. I decided that I had to act, it was my life or this creeps. Better to be judged by twelve than carried by six! As I loaded up with my sig, I crawled prone to the edge of my yard and I could see the creep drawing closer now. He just opened the neighbors mailbox and put something in it! Its gotta be a mail fraud criminal! As he pulled up to my house I tensed, gripping my cold hard justice, finger slipping into the trigger guard when I realised that it was just a post office truck and that I'm an idiot. But he couldve been a mail fraud terrorist! We have to be armed to the teeth at all times.
 
2014-06-26 10:09:42 AM

Chummer45: Fun fact:  many gun stores and gun shows don't allow concealed or open carry of loaded guns.


Well then, I'm sure their business could only benefit from having no guns on premises at any time!
 
2014-06-26 10:11:33 AM
I don't care about your gun debate either way.   All in all a crappy article without nearly enough information.  I'd have gone with a "no weapons for disgruntled ex employees" sign.

Carry on with your entrenched spewing of opinions and information at each other.
 
2014-06-26 10:11:58 AM

stan unusual: If concealed carry permit holders actually stopped so many crimes, you'd think that gun fetish sites wouldn't have to make them up.  They would just link to news reports of them.  Makes you wonder why they didn't link to the local news report on this case that doesn't claim the concealed carry guy stopped the assault- he  just ran after him after he was done stabbing the clerk.


You're acting as if someone wrote N***** or F****** on the receipt and didn't tip the waitress.

You can always email the reporter at WDAM and ask him if the CCW holder shouted at the perp and the perp started running or if the CCW holder opened a bag of chips and some dip and watched the perp stab the manager.
 
2014-06-26 10:12:39 AM
Dimensio:

I was unaware that you were a witness to the confrontation. Please explain what actually happened, based upon your direct observations, and contrast it to the account above.


Sure thing. I was there just as much as his story doesnt reak of bullshiat. He's an idiot, and a liar. Now what?
 
2014-06-26 10:14:33 AM

s2s2s2: stonicus: Your #1 priority should be to move the hell away.

Just as easily done as said!


If it ain't easy, then fark it, right?  Easy way out or none at all... Hard work and effort is for idiots...

If people feel that threatened, and are literally being attacked on a daily basis by homeless people and have neighbors that actually try to murder you when it rains, then I have zero sympathy for those people if they don't make every effort to move away.  It's like someone who lives in a garbage dump and hates the smell, but instead of moving, he just buys a can of Febreeze.  The person above said they point their gun at homeless people when his son is in the car.  If they want to protect their son, don't get a gun, move and stop exposing them to these rabid packs of lawless homelessness.
 
2014-06-26 10:15:27 AM

Elzar: Ima let you gun nuts finish jacking, but what if you are seated with your family at your fave Chick-fil-a and 5 black men open the door and walk in with AK-47s. Do you:
A) Flip over the table and start trading shots
B) shrug your shoulders and begrudge them their god givn rights to open carry
C) slink out the back while speed dialing the po po


Black men at a Chik-Fil-A instead of at a Church's or Popeye's? shiat, son, regardless of what they're armed with, you know they're there to rob that cracka ass juke!
 
2014-06-26 10:15:50 AM

stonicus: s2s2s2: stonicus: Your #1 priority should be to move the hell away.

Just as easily done as said!

If it ain't easy, then fark it, right?  Easy way out or none at all... Hard work and effort is for idiots...

If people feel that threatened, and are literally being attacked on a daily basis by homeless people and have neighbors that actually try to murder you when it rains, then I have zero sympathy for those people if they don't make every effort to move away.  It's like someone who lives in a garbage dump and hates the smell, but instead of moving, he just buys a can of Febreeze.  The person above said they point their gun at homeless people when his son is in the car.  If they want to protect their son, don't get a gun, move and stop exposing them to these rabid packs of lawless homelessness.


Plus the homeless people are probably out of work.

They can and should just find a job.

eezy peezy
 
2014-06-26 10:16:02 AM

onyxruby: dookdookdook: Fair enough. How about we agree to begin by restricting gun ownership for psychotics, sociopaths, and admitted tea partiers

If someone is crazy enough they shouldn't have a gun than they are crazy enough to be locked in a mental ward as representing a danger to themselves or others. I'm no tea party sympathizer, but the idea of restricting rights based on political party affiliation strikes me as a very nazi liberal-like attitude.

 
2014-06-26 10:16:33 AM

Rhino_man: The businesses are free to decide whether or not to allow guns


Actually no they aren't, did you notice the big CHEVRON logo in the first picture? Lawyers and Insurance Underwriters decide what the business is allowed to do. They make a demand and you bow down and say "Yes Master" or you go out of business.

But on a lighter note: Spend a day at the range with an instructor, learn a little bit about the law and shoot a few targets, pay a few bucks for the little red sticker on the back of your permit and those stupid little "ROB ME" signs become mere suggestions for the normal honest person just like they are for criminals and lunatics.

dualplains: Tricky Chicken: dookdookdook: Man with a gun shoots a criminal: Absolute justification for unrestricted global access to firearms.

Man Known lunatic with access to a legally purchased gun that no proposed restrictions would have made illegal shoots 20 5 year olds: Random isolated incident.

Just a little clarification.  You can insert the 'person with documented mental problems' into almost all the mass shootings, but guns are the problem not neglecting mentally ill people.

Almost all.  But you can insert the 'guns' into ALL the 'mass shootings', so, yeah.  Guns are the problem.

/Why is this math so hard?


Because you try too hard to massage the language to arrive at a predetermined result. The school massacre that claimed the most lives involved fire and bombs, no Guns. The largest Terrorist Attack in the US involved Airplanes and knives, no Guns. The Boston Marathon, bomb (stolen gun after the attack).

So yeah, I suspect that every "shooting" involves a gun,
and liquids are involved in every drowning
and vehicles are involved in every vehicular accident
and fire and smoke are involved in every arson
and every snake bite involved a snake
andevery bear attack involved a bear.


Since there are more guns in the US than there are people and we still manage to have a population I suspect that most people who own them know how to properly and safely own and use them. Except for a few Liberal Utopias, both violent crime (with and without a gun) and firearms related accidents have decreased to the lowest level in decades according to both the DOJ and the FBI despite the Liberalization of gun laws across the country.
 
2014-06-26 10:16:47 AM

Elzar: Ima let you gun nuts finish jacking, but what if you are seated with your family at your fave Chick-fil-a and 5 black men open the door and walk in with AK-47s. Do you:
A) Flip over the table and start trading shots
B) shrug your shoulders and begrudge them their god givn rights to open carry
C) slink out the back while speed dialing the po po


I would probably try to exit the store and, failing that, find cover.
 
2014-06-26 10:17:54 AM

Geoff Peterson: White_Scarf_Syndrome: HotWingConspiracy: White_Scarf_Syndrome: "OMG why do you carry a pistol in the car? With your son too??"
"You see all these homeless people on every single corner?"
"Well yeah, they need help.."
"When they are banging on my window my only option is to point it at them or pull forward into the intersection and get t-boned.  What would you do?"
"...."

Where the fark do you live?

The capital of Texas has a ridiculous homeless policy.  There are people on almost every single highway intersection begging.  Walking up and down the red lights with some sign.  Some dog or puppy they have trained.  I'm not an anti-homeless person, but it's just too much, and I don't trust them.  They are clearly mentally unstable and I have no problem carrying a pistol on my front seat when I have my son.  I have had them just completely go off for no reason other than me ignoring them, waving hi, saying sorry no cash, stopping too quickly, stopping too slowly, "almost" hitting them when they are walking in the street on an interstate highway, the list goes on and on.

But yeah, I'm supposed to just sit there and "be uncomfortable for a few minutes."

fark that.  It wears on you when it's several times a day every single day.  I like it here but there are some really really screwed up things about Austin.  Also the hipsters.  Don't even get me started.

I deal with those guys too here in Houston. Never had anything even remotely like that happen to me. I doubt you have either.


Yeah I'm making it up. You got me.
 
2014-06-26 10:18:19 AM

Chummer45: s2s2s2: TheNewJesus: Guns are a liability to any business.

Even gun stores?


Fun fact:  many gun stores and gun shows don't allow concealed or open carry of loaded guns.


Citation needed
 
2014-06-26 10:19:35 AM

Giltric: stonicus: s2s2s2: stonicus: Your #1 priority should be to move the hell away.

Just as easily done as said!

If it ain't easy, then fark it, right?  Easy way out or none at all... Hard work and effort is for idiots...

If people feel that threatened, and are literally being attacked on a daily basis by homeless people and have neighbors that actually try to murder you when it rains, then I have zero sympathy for those people if they don't make every effort to move away.  It's like someone who lives in a garbage dump and hates the smell, but instead of moving, he just buys a can of Febreeze.  The person above said they point their gun at homeless people when his son is in the car.  If they want to protect their son, don't get a gun, move and stop exposing them to these rabid packs of lawless homelessness.

Plus the homeless people are probably out of work.

They can and should just find a job.

eezy peezy


I agree, they should try... I know most are mentally ill, but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't try.  But in the meantime, until they do, you could put yourself at the same level and capacity as a homeless person (if they don't do it, then why do I have to), or you could protect yourself and your family by finding a safer place to live.

It's your choice.
 
2014-06-26 10:19:41 AM

WTFDYW: Zeb Hesselgresser: FreakyBunny:  Cheney and Bush broke international law and as a consequence over 100,000 people were killed.

The Iraq Resolution a/k/a The Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 passed  the Senate 77 - 23 and House 297 - 133.  Just shy of 60% of Democrat Senators voted for it.

Oh snap

/LOL


Yes indeedy. These people forget Hillary & the rest of the Dems getting up and making speeches about how we had to remove Saddam. Intellectually dim and chonically dishonest - your average liberal Democrat.
 
2014-06-26 10:21:59 AM

White_Scarf_Syndrome: Geoff Peterson: White_Scarf_Syndrome: HotWingConspiracy: White_Scarf_Syndrome: "OMG why do you carry a pistol in the car? With your son too??"
"You see all these homeless people on every single corner?"
"Well yeah, they need help.."
"When they are banging on my window my only option is to point it at them or pull forward into the intersection and get t-boned.  What would you do?"
"...."

Where the fark do you live?

The capital of Texas has a ridiculous homeless policy.  There are people on almost every single highway intersection begging.  Walking up and down the red lights with some sign.  Some dog or puppy they have trained.  I'm not an anti-homeless person, but it's just too much, and I don't trust them.  They are clearly mentally unstable and I have no problem carrying a pistol on my front seat when I have my son.  I have had them just completely go off for no reason other than me ignoring them, waving hi, saying sorry no cash, stopping too quickly, stopping too slowly, "almost" hitting them when they are walking in the street on an interstate highway, the list goes on and on.

But yeah, I'm supposed to just sit there and "be uncomfortable for a few minutes."

fark that.  It wears on you when it's several times a day every single day.  I like it here but there are some really really screwed up things about Austin.  Also the hipsters.  Don't even get me started.

I deal with those guys too here in Houston. Never had anything even remotely like that happen to me. I doubt you have either.

Yeah I'm making it up. You got me.


Since it happens several times a day, every single day, could you please take us some pics or video of homeless people attacking your car and banging on your windows asking for money?  Not even in a "ha, prove it!" way, more of a "I think that'd be a funny video to watch" way.
 
2014-06-26 10:22:59 AM
Chummer45:  But I am anti gun-culture/gun lobby.  The thing that I find so disturbing about the gun culture in the US is that it is something that was relatively recently invented and perpetuated by the gun industry's lobby, which prioritizes increasing and maximizing gun sales over safety.  Their lobbying record is proof of that.  But most gun nuts I talk to have no awareness of that fact, or are just willfully blind to it.  Instead of acknowledging that our gun laws need to be tightened up, they just go on talking about how any increased regulation is nothing less than a ploy by liberal gun grabbers who are going to get us all killed by disarming us.

You DO understand that no matter how great the restrictions placed on our Second Amendment rights, the anti-gun lobby will not be satisfied until all guns are banned, period, right?  We're talking BEYOND an Australian-style "turn them all in" type of gun control law. And while you seem to assume that the indignation against "tightening up" our gun laws is merely a result of the "gun industry's lobby", you're missing one "minor" fact...the NRA's political clout doesn't come from gun manufacturers, it comes from the fact that millions of Americans are "single issue voters" on the gun control issue.

Your position reminds me of this quote:

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out-
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out-
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me-and there was no one left to speak for me."

With that in mind:  Fark you, Buddy...I don't care how many guns you own.  Your hypocrisy makes you worse than the hard-core "guns are evil, period, and nobody who isn't a government employee should ever have access to them" folks.  THEY at least have the balls to live up to their ideals and actually live with all of the implications of their position.
 
2014-06-26 10:23:41 AM

Secret Master of All Flatulence: ThatGuyOverThere: I carry a gun because I'm not under the misunderstanding that I could rely on the police to help me in an emergency or that I might never have to face off with people trying to kill me for no reason.

This OBVIOUSLY makes you a paranoid lunatic, just like those people who are CLEARLY arsonists because they choose to keep a fire extinguisher in their cars.


Keeping a knife is like keeping a fire extinguisher.  Keeping a gun is like keeping a fire hydrant and full-length hose.
 
2014-06-26 10:26:03 AM

Frank N Stein: Chummer45: s2s2s2: TheNewJesus: Guns are a liability to any business.

Even gun stores?


Fun fact:  many gun stores and gun shows don't allow concealed or open carry of loaded guns.

Citation needed


If anyone thought to take pictures they'd have it.  The only one I know of personally I went to with my father while he was buying more shooting range ammunition.  He chose to take his pistol with him since he needed a new holster as well.

The person at the table outside of the entrance checked to see if he had any rounds first. He didn't. I watched him unload and place the rounds in a case in his trunk.  Then they used ties to block the trigger from pulling back far enough so that if somehow a round was missed, it wouldn't fire. They do the same thing with bigger weapons
 
2014-06-26 10:26:50 AM

Chummer45: mschwenk: LazyMedia: Chummer45: Secret Master of All Flatulence: Rhino_man: The people who AREN'T reasonable are the open carry farkwits who lose their mind and act like spoiled children when a business tells them not to carry.

Most of the "open carry farkwits" I've heard about don't go into businesses that have "no guns" signs up, they merely publicize the fact that such stores have banned them from being armed.  This upsets the stores in question, since lots of gun owners are quite willing to boycott such stores.  Hell, I STILL will not own a S&W product due to S&W's former owner's actions during the '90s.  Sure, ownership has changed hands, but if a company tries to fark with my rights by publicly fellating our common enemies, their "brand" is forever tainted, and I'm not alone in this.  Same deal with Ruger.


Yes - Smith and Wesson was definitely the equivalent of Stalin for supporting reasonable gun regulations, and should be vilified as the traitor to our god-given rights to buy Smith and Wesson products with minimal regulation that it is.

But you don't understand. They were selling TRIGGER LOCKS with all their pistols. TRIGGER LOCKS. Greatest threat to our Constitutional rights since the Alien & Sedition Acts of 1798.

The S&W trigger locks that were built into the gun, have serious design flaws that are very dangerous.


Yes - countless people were killed by those trigger locks as opposed to the guns themselves - right?


So the guns jumped up and killed people?
 
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