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2014-06-26 12:13:48 AM
Sounds like a move by the upper management. I'll bet the manager who got stabbed would rather have that sign down. But then again, maybe it is a good idea because the gun totin' zealots might pop out of the woodwork.
 
2014-06-26 12:24:35 AM
I don't go to businesses that have no gun signs. I usually carry a gun.

I do go to the post office, but I can secure my gun in a locked compartment in my car. Few violent crimes in the Post Office, lots of violent crimes in stores and gas stations, and restaurants.

Businesses are free to make any rules regarding guns they wish. There are always other options for me.

I guess I'm a gun totin' zealot, but if I'm ever shot at again I want to be able to shoot back.
 
2014-06-26 07:32:14 AM
So I'll be justified next the I carry my suitcase nuke with me?
 
2014-06-26 07:35:30 AM

feckingmorons: I don't go to businesses that have no gun signs. I usually carry a gun.

I do go to the post office, but I can secure my gun in a locked compartment in my car. Few violent crimes in the Post Office, lots of violent crimes in stores and gas stations, and restaurants.

Businesses are free to make any rules regarding guns they wish. There are always other options for me.

I guess I'm a gun totin' zealot, but if I'm ever shot at again I want to be able to shoot back.


No you're a normal adult human who is making normal adult human decisions such as, "Oh shiat this store doesn't want me to carry inside, I guess I'll find somewhere else to spend my money."  Maybe a little paranoid but no more so than a guy in the suburbs putting motion sensor lights on all four corners of his house.
 
2014-06-26 07:38:53 AM
I of course called Keith's Superstore in Lumberton, MS to find out what their logic was. Long story short, they were quite rude, and refused to answer any questions pertaining to this incident. Perhaps I should've asked why they didn't post a "No Knives" sign!

Yes, I'm sure he asked his questions in a non-rude manner.  That whole article is dripping with assholeishness.
 
2014-06-26 07:39:00 AM
Another responsible gun owner.
 
2014-06-26 07:39:33 AM
Hopefully the irresponsible gun owner is banned from those stores in the future.
 
2014-06-26 07:40:11 AM
Good for him! Props to the guy. Too bad people with CCW are far more likely to get killed or kill an innocent than stop an actual bad guy.
 
2014-06-26 07:41:29 AM

Egoy3k: feckingmorons: I don't go to businesses that have no gun signs. I usually carry a gun.

I do go to the post office, but I can secure my gun in a locked compartment in my car. Few violent crimes in the Post Office, lots of violent crimes in stores and gas stations, and restaurants.

Businesses are free to make any rules regarding guns they wish. There are always other options for me.

I guess I'm a gun totin' zealot, but if I'm ever shot at again I want to be able to shoot back.

No you're a normal adult human who is making normal adult human decisions such as, "Oh shiat this store doesn't want me to carry inside, I guess I'll find somewhere else to spend my money."  Maybe a little paranoid but no more so than a guy in the suburbs putting motion sensor lights on all four corners of his house.


This. The businesses are free to decide whether or not to allow guns, and you're free to decide whether or not your (presumably concealed) carry piece is worth the hassle of finding a competing business to do what you need done.

The people who AREN'T reasonable are the open carry farkwits who lose their mind and act like spoiled children when a business tells them not to carry.

Just don't be a farkwit. It's really not hard to understand.
 
2014-06-26 07:41:30 AM
"OMG why do you carry a pistol in the car? With your son too??"
"You see all these homeless people on every single corner?"
"Well yeah, they need help.."
"When they are banging on my window my only option is to point it at them or pull forward into the intersection and get t-boned.  What would you do?"
"...."
 
2014-06-26 07:41:55 AM

Egoy3k: feckingmorons: I don't go to businesses that have no gun signs. I usually carry a gun.

I do go to the post office, but I can secure my gun in a locked compartment in my car. Few violent crimes in the Post Office, lots of violent crimes in stores and gas stations, and restaurants.

Businesses are free to make any rules regarding guns they wish. There are always other options for me.

I guess I'm a gun totin' zealot, but if I'm ever shot at again I want to be able to shoot back.

No you're a normal adult human who is making normal adult human decisions such as, "Oh shiat this store doesn't want me to carry inside, I guess I'll find somewhere else to spend my money."  Maybe a little paranoid but no more so than a guy in the suburbs putting motion sensor lights on all four corners of his house.


There's no place for that here.  Go away.
 
2014-06-26 07:42:04 AM
Man with a gun shoots a criminal: Absolute justification for unrestricted global access to firearms.

Man with a gun shoots 20 5 year olds: Random isolated incident.
 
2014-06-26 07:42:30 AM
This is completely fake as I have been assured this scenario never happens.
 
2014-06-26 07:42:45 AM

FirstNationalBastard: So I'll be justified next the I carry my suitcase nuke with me?


Translation: I don't always herp. But when I do, I derp.
 
2014-06-26 07:42:54 AM
Do armed robbers even no how to read? Most of them probably can't read so I think these signs should be illustrated. Dude with stocking over face pointing a gun with a big "x" on it. I think they'll get the picture.
 
2014-06-26 07:42:55 AM
They probably had a life insurance policy on the guy getting stabbed and were pissed on missing out on the million dollar + policy.
 
2014-06-26 07:43:13 AM
It's concealed. How would they know? And even if they did find out, other than kick you out what can they do? Could you be arrested? I mean, it's a store policy not a law.
 
2014-06-26 07:43:44 AM

steve_as: Good for him! Props to the guy. Too bad people with CCW are far more likely to get killed or kill an innocent than stop an actual bad guy.


You have any stats to backup that statement?
 
2014-06-26 07:45:55 AM

Noam Chimpsky: Do armed robbers even no how to read?


Are you an armed robber?
 
2014-06-26 07:47:10 AM

dookdookdook: Man with a gun shoots a criminal: Absolute justification for unrestricted global access to firearms.

Man Known lunatic with access to a legally purchased gun that no proposed restrictions would have made illegal shoots 20 5 year olds: Random isolated incident.


Just a little clarification.  You can insert the 'person with documented mental problems' into almost all the mass shootings, but guns are the problem not neglecting mentally ill people.
 
2014-06-26 07:48:12 AM
To paraphrase another Farker, guns are tools of murder, pure and simple, and as such only belong in the hands of the government.
 
2014-06-26 07:49:42 AM

feckingmorons: I don't go to businesses that have no gun signs. I usually carry a gun.

I do go to the post office, but I can secure my gun in a locked compartment in my car. Few violent crimes in the Post Office, lots of violent crimes in stores and gas stations, and restaurants.

Businesses are free to make any rules regarding guns they wish. There are always other options for me.

I guess I'm a gun totin' zealot, but if I'm ever shot at again I want to be able to shoot back.


I'm a little amused by the mention of a post office since the whole "shoot 'em all up" thing was originally called "going postal".
 
2014-06-26 07:49:57 AM
They should ban the good guy with the gun from the stores permanently. For good measure.
 
2014-06-26 07:50:13 AM
"Thank you for stopping Stabby Mcstabby the Stabbing Stabber.  Next time do it with a machete. Because if you use that gun again, you'll be thrown out on your ass and banned."
 
2014-06-26 07:51:11 AM

Rhino_man: Egoy3k: feckingmorons: I don't go to businesses that have no gun signs. I usually carry a gun.

I do go to the post office, but I can secure my gun in a locked compartment in my car. Few violent crimes in the Post Office, lots of violent crimes in stores and gas stations, and restaurants.

Businesses are free to make any rules regarding guns they wish. There are always other options for me.

I guess I'm a gun totin' zealot, but if I'm ever shot at again I want to be able to shoot back.

No you're a normal adult human who is making normal adult human decisions such as, "Oh shiat this store doesn't want me to carry inside, I guess I'll find somewhere else to spend my money."  Maybe a little paranoid but no more so than a guy in the suburbs putting motion sensor lights on all four corners of his house.

This. The businesses are free to decide whether or not to allow guns, and you're free to decide whether or not your (presumably concealed) carry piece is worth the hassle of finding a competing business to do what you need done.

The people who AREN'T reasonable are the open carry farkwits who lose their mind and act like spoiled children when a business tells them not to carry.

Just don't be a farkwit. It's really not hard to understand.


Double this. I'll go elsewhere or leave it behind (secured, obviously) if whatever private property I plan on entering bans firearms.

I could be a dick and do it anyway, with the worst outcome (if I was dumb enough to practice open carry to begin with) being asked to leave and a $25 fine from my county. But I'm not THAT much of a dick for no good reason.
 
2014-06-26 07:51:32 AM

dookdookdook: Man with a gun shoots a criminal: Absolute justification for unrestricted global access to firearms.

Man with a gun shoots 20 5 year olds: Random isolated incident.


ko_kyi: To paraphrase another Farker, guns are tools of murder, pure and simple, and as such only belong in the hands of the government.


At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational ... I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
 
2014-06-26 07:51:41 AM
This is an excellent way to keep guns out of one's store.  Just look at how well the "Drug Fee Zone" signs at schools have worked.  Actually, they should start putting signs at the entrances of high rise building saying:  "No jumping from roof top".  I bet that would get rid of a lot of bad DNA.
 
2014-06-26 07:51:44 AM

ko_kyi: To paraphrase another Farker, guns are tools of murder, pure and simple, and as such only belong in the hands of the government.


Well true.  Thanks to all the wars, it is the biggest murderer on the planet outside of all the other governments.
 
2014-06-26 07:52:14 AM

feckingmorons: I guess I'm a gun totin' zealot, but if I'm ever shot at again I want to be able to shoot back.


It sounds like you frequently put yourself into places/situations where you fear you may be shot at.  I wonder why that is.
 
2014-06-26 07:52:14 AM
Before you comment you might want to check out that website's front page.
 
2014-06-26 07:54:02 AM

reillan: Noam Chimpsky: Do armed robbers even no how to read?

Are you an armed robber?


The government changed it before I hit the send button.
 
2014-06-26 07:54:11 AM

drjekel_mrhyde: Before you comment you might want to check out that website's front page.


You need to be more specific.  All of the front page articles are fark snark worthy
 
2014-06-26 07:54:32 AM

abhorrent1: At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational ... I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.


I just like the delicious irony of the statement, which sums up the point of view of many on Fark.

I don't require points
 
2014-06-26 07:57:16 AM
Tricky Chicken:Just a little clarification.  You can insert the 'person with documented mental problems' into almost all the mass shootings, but guns are the problem not neglecting mentally ill people.

So I guess logically then being a right wing militia goon qualifies as a documented mental problem?

Or is that why you said "almost"?

cbsnews2.cbsistatic.com
 
2014-06-26 07:57:20 AM

GoldSpider: feckingmorons: I guess I'm a gun totin' zealot, but if I'm ever shot at again I want to be able to shoot back.

It sounds like you frequently put yourself into places/situations where you fear you may be shot at.  I wonder why that is.


I was getting shot at in a 'secure' federal building in Washington DC a few months ago. The reason I frequent there is to get a paycheck.

This was also an act of an untreated mentally ill person.  If he were treated appropriately, he would still be alive, and so would several of my co-workers and friends. But of course, this is all just because guns are bad.
 
2014-06-26 07:57:59 AM

steve_as: Good for him! Props to the guy. Too bad people with CCW are far more likely to get killed or kill an innocent than stop an actual bad guy.


Sure. Go ahead and run with that.
 
2014-06-26 07:58:03 AM

feckingmorons: I don't go to businesses that have no gun signs. I usually carry a gun.

I do go to the post office, but I can secure my gun in a locked compartment in my car. Few violent crimes in the Post Office, lots of violent crimes in stores and gas stations, and restaurants.

Businesses are free to make any rules regarding guns they wish. There are always other options for me.

I guess I'm a gun totin' zealot, but if I'm ever shot at again I want to be able to shoot back.


aaaaah the irony...
/"Going Postal"
 
2014-06-26 07:59:03 AM

cwolf20: drjekel_mrhyde: Before you comment you might want to check out that website's front page.

You need to be more specific.  All of the front page articles are fark snark worthy


That site is derptastic.
 
2014-06-26 08:00:13 AM

dookdookdook: being a right wing militia goon qualifies as a documented mental problem?


I am not sure about 'documented, but the suggestion/argument has merits.
 
2014-06-26 08:01:09 AM

White_Scarf_Syndrome: "OMG why do you carry a pistol in the car? With your son too??"
"You see all these homeless people on every single corner?"
"Well yeah, they need help.."
"When they are banging on my window my only option is to point it at them or pull forward into the intersection and get t-boned.  What would you do?"
"...."


Banging on your window is not life threatening and is no reason to pull a gun.  Don't pull a gun unless you plan to USE it.  I recommend option C - be uncomfortable for a few seconds.
 
2014-06-26 08:01:55 AM

White_Scarf_Syndrome: "OMG why do you carry a pistol in the car? With your son too??"
"You see all these homeless people on every single corner?"
"Well yeah, they need help.."
"When they are banging on my window my only option is to point it at them or pull forward into the intersection and get t-boned.  What would you do?"
"...."


Where the fark do you live?
 
2014-06-26 08:03:31 AM

abhorrent1: It's concealed. How would they know? And even if they did find out, other than kick you out what can they do? Could you be arrested? I mean, it's a store policy not a law.


Most states with CCW laws also regulate where they can be carried. A common law is that if a business posts a "No Concealed Wepons" sign it is illegal to carry a concealed weapon there. It varies from state to state, of course. In North Carolina, such a sign must simply be posted at the entrance. In South Carolina the size, symbol, placement and exact wording are specified. If a South Carolina convenience store owner puts an index card sized sign with no symbol and the words "No Weeapons" written in sharpie on the door, I can ignore it because it doesn't meet the legal requirements. The same sign in North Carolina would make it illegal for me to carry there.

Of course, I would not carry into a business that didn't want me to because I'm not an asshole.
 
2014-06-26 08:03:51 AM
Ohmigawd, the Lumberton Chevron. That's where I fuel up whenever I go geocaching up in that area, which is often.

Telling folks in Lumberton not to carry guns is like handing out speeding tickets at Talladega.
 
2014-06-26 08:04:01 AM

ko_kyi: To paraphrase another Farker, guns are tools of murder, pure and simple, and as such only belong in the hands of the government.


Move to a country that lives like this and write back and tell us all how it's going for you.

/well, byejpg
 
2014-06-26 08:04:56 AM

Tricky Chicken: But of course, this is all just because guns are bad.


Trust me, people around here don't see me as a "guns are bad" kind of person.  I'm just naturally curious about mentality of people who seem to be stuck in a state of hyper-vigilance to the point that it seems they seek out opportunities to defend themselves.  Not saying you're that type, but an awful lot of vocal "second-amentment rights advocates" seem to fit that mold.
 
2014-06-26 08:05:56 AM

GoldSpider: Tricky Chicken: But of course, this is all just because guns are bad.

Trust me, people around here don't see me as a "guns are bad" kind of person.  I'm just naturally curious about mentality of people who seem to be stuck in a state of hyper-vigilance to the point that it seems they seek out opportunities to defend themselves.  Not saying you're that type, but an awful lot of vocal "second-amentment rights advocates" seem to fit that mold.


the squeaky wheel gets the grease.
 
2014-06-26 08:06:21 AM

dookdookdook: Man with a gun shoots a criminal: Absolute justification for unrestricted global access to firearms.

Man with a gun shoots 20 5 year olds: Random isolated incident.


Government with a huge arsenal of weapons kills civilians during a "surgical" strike.

Unintended casualties.
Human Shields.
Democracy.
Liberation.

They can call it anything they like.

How is the government any better than a criminal that kills indiscriminately for false ideals, manufactures evidence and shiats on not only it's own laws, but the Geneva Convention's? Who then shiats on the veterans that fought wars for the political gain of a small elite class of people and called it "Honor and Duty."

Yeah, I would call shooting 20 five years a random isolated incident in the context of a fighter jet that can kill hundreds in a minute and have some politico farking call it "unintended consequuence of war."  Which you call a "Random isolated incident. "

"Whoops sorry!"
 
2014-06-26 08:06:24 AM

abhorrent1: At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational ... I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.


Boy, you sure quoted the hell out of that movie.  I've reconsidered everything I ever believed.

Tricky Chicken: dookdookdook: being a right wing militia goon qualifies as a documented mental problem?

I am not sure about 'documented, but the suggestion/argument has merits.


Fair enough.  How about we agree to begin by restricting gun ownership for psychotics, sociopaths, and admitted tea partiers until they get the medical help they desperately need (which will of course be provided free of charge under the new single-payer universal health care scheme).
 
2014-06-26 08:06:28 AM

ko_kyi: To paraphrase another Farker, guns are tools of murder, pure and simple, and as such only belong in the hands of the government.


Intentionally ironic?  Accidentally true?  Both?  Poe is letting me down on this one.
 
2014-06-26 08:07:29 AM
A blog entry by a gun nut - aping other gun nuts from a different website - about a story they don't cite and with enough basic grammar mistakes to give a first grade English teacher the shakes.

I especially like his bullshiat story about calling the store for comment.

And I bet this thread still manages more than 200 comments before it closes.
 
2014-06-26 08:10:07 AM

Tricky Chicken: FirstNationalBastard: So I'll be justified next the I carry my suitcase nuke with me?

Translation: I don't always herp. But when I do, I derp.


Hey, I'm not paranoid enough to think I have to be packing to go buy a carton of milk.

Obviously, that's Derpy now.
 
2014-06-26 08:10:40 AM
What barbarians, who goes anywhere without several guns these days? They seem to forget we live in a *VERY* dangerous country, there are crazy people with guns around.
 
2014-06-26 08:11:01 AM
Cheese and rice. Two cups of coffee and I still can't spell "weapons."
 
2014-06-26 08:11:02 AM

mike_d85: Another responsible gun owner.


the guy who was stabbing the manager was a responsible knife owner
 
2014-06-26 08:11:46 AM
Cynical view, if an employee is injured on the job the company has to pay for their injuries and related expenses. If an employee instead dies on the job than the company can profit through a dead peasant life insurance policy.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/why-employers-collect-insurance-when-wor ke rs-die/
 
2014-06-26 08:12:24 AM
socoloco:How is the government any better than a criminal that kills indiscriminately for false ideals, manufactures evidence and shiats on not only it's own laws, but the Geneva Convention's? Who then shiats on the veterans that fought wars for the political gain of a small elite class of people and called it "Honor and Duty."

Hey, if it were up to me (and most of the rest of the civilized world) Cheney and Bush would be about 10 years into their 40 year prison sentences as we speak.

Or is this more "a Bubba with a hunting rifle can keep the US Marines in check because liberty and freedom and guerrilla warfare and such"?
 
2014-06-26 08:12:50 AM

abhorrent1: dookdookdook: Man with a gun shoots a criminal: Absolute justification for unrestricted global access to firearms.

Man with a gun shoots 20 5 year olds: Random isolated incident.

ko_kyi: To paraphrase another Farker, guns are tools of murder, pure and simple, and as such only belong in the hands of the government.

At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational ... I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.


Both of those statements are succinct and straight forward. The second one is sarcastic, but it isn't in any way difficult to understand.

References are lots of fun, but the words in them still have meanings.
 
2014-06-26 08:12:53 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Hopefully the irresponsible gun owner is banned from those stores in the future.


What about irresponsible knife owners?
 
2014-06-26 08:13:46 AM

GoldSpider: Intentionally ironic?


this
 
2014-06-26 08:13:58 AM

hasty ambush: HotWingConspiracy: Hopefully the irresponsible gun owner is banned from those stores in the future.

What about irresponsible knife owners?


There was no knife sign.
 
2014-06-26 08:15:34 AM

dookdookdook: Fair enough. How about we agree to begin by restricting gun ownership for psychotics, sociopaths, and admitted tea partiers


If someone is crazy enough they shouldn't have a gun than they are crazy enough to be locked in a mental ward as representing a danger to themselves or others. I'm no tea party sympathizer, but the idea of restricting rights based on political party affiliation strikes me as a very nazi like attitude.
 
2014-06-26 08:16:14 AM
Ima let you gun nuts finish jacking, but what if you are seated with your family at your fave Chick-fil-a and 5 black men open the door and walk in with AK-47s. Do you:
A) Flip over the table and start trading shots
B) shrug your shoulders and begrudge them their god givn rights to open carry
C) slink out the back while speed dialing the po po
 
2014-06-26 08:16:40 AM
Hell, if that picture in the FTA is the store, and that is the sign, you could still carry in there.

 MS § 45-9-101. License to carry stun gun, concealed pistol or revolver

 ...In addition to the places enumerated in this subsection, the carrying of a stun gun, concealed pistol or revolver may be disallowed in any place in the discretion of the person or entity exercising control over the physical location of such place by the placing of a written notice clearly readable at a distance of not less than ten (10) feet that the "carrying of a pistol or revolver is prohibited."

Would I carry in there?  No, I'm not that kind of jackass, and would respect the rights of the Property holder, by not frequenting that establishment, or stowing it in the lockbox if I must. Those kinds of jackasses that would carry since the sign doesn't matter do exist though.
 
2014-06-26 08:16:47 AM

GoldSpider: Intentionally ironic?  Accidentally true?  Both?  Poe is letting me down on this one.


BTW I have you flagged as "mimics hardcore lefty for effect"
 
2014-06-26 08:18:14 AM

abhorrent1: It's concealed. How would they know? And even if they did find out, other than kick you out what can they do? Could you be arrested? I mean, it's a store policy not a law.


Seems to me that the sign explicitly says that if a person is in posession of a gun then they're disallowed on the premises.  By logic, any person who comes into the business carrying one would automatically be trespassing.  Take into account the legal classification of the weapon and it seems that the situation would be elevated to trespass with a firearm.

Not a lawyer by any means, but i think it'd work something like that.
 
2014-06-26 08:18:50 AM

Elzar: Ima let you gun nuts finish jacking, but what if you are seated with your family at your fave Chick-fil-a and 5 black men open the door and walk in with AK-47s. Do you:
A) Flip over the table and start trading shots
B) shrug your shoulders and begrudge them their god givn rights to open carry
C) slink out the back while speed dialing the po po


mestadelsbilder.files.wordpress.com

Who needs a gun when you have a wookie.
 
2014-06-26 08:19:13 AM

Egoy3k: Maybe a little paranoid but no more so than a guy in the suburbs putting motion sensor lights on all four corners of his house.


Because carrying a loaded weapon around is exactly like turning your outside houselights on at night.

Gun Nut Logic
 
2014-06-26 08:19:34 AM

skozlaw: Elzar: Ima let you gun nuts finish jacking, but what if you are seated with your family at your fave Chick-fil-a and 5 black men open the door and walk in with AK-47s. Do you:
A) Flip over the table and start trading shots
B) shrug your shoulders and begrudge them their god givn rights to open carry
C) slink out the back while speed dialing the po po



Who needs a gun when you have a wookie.


But what if your wookie is bent?
 
2014-06-26 08:19:47 AM

THX 1138: Seems to me that the sign explicitly says that if a person is in posession of a gun then they're disallowed on the premises.  By logic, any person who comes into the business carrying one would automatically be trespassing.  Take into account the legal classification of the weapon and it seems that the situation would be elevated to trespass with a firearm.

Not a lawyer by any means, but i think it'd work something like that.


I believe these business policies are rooted in requirements of the place's insurance, in an effort to manage liability.
 
2014-06-26 08:20:12 AM

ko_kyi: BTW I have you flagged as "mimics hardcore lefty for effect"


That's a new one.
 
2014-06-26 08:22:01 AM

onyxruby: Cynical view, if an employee is injured on the job the company has to pay for their injuries and related expenses. If an employee instead dies on the job than the company can profit through a dead peasant life insurance policy.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/why-employers-collect-insurance-when-wor ke rs-die/


Cynical response:  Ah, now it makes sense why they're banning guns.  If the employee had been stabbed enough, he/she would be dead.
 
2014-06-26 08:23:52 AM

onyxruby: dookdookdook: Fair enough. How about we agree to begin by restricting gun ownership for psychotics, sociopaths, and admitted tea partiers

If someone is crazy enough they shouldn't have a gun than they are crazy enough to be locked in a mental ward as representing a danger to themselves or others. I'm no tea party sympathizer, but the idea of restricting rights based on political party affiliation strikes me as a very nazi like attitude.


Since some voters who vote Democrat carry concealed or just have weapons in their house.  You just called your fellow armed voters psychotics and sociopaths. Or you insulted them by calling them Tea Partiers
 
2014-06-26 08:25:02 AM

onyxruby: I'm no tea party sympathizer, but the idea of restricting rights based on political party affiliation strikes me as a very nazi like attitude.


"Tea Party" != "Republican".  They'll be the first to tell you that.

Anyway, the fact that hoarding guns and calling for armed revolution against government employees and fantasizing about solving all of life's problems like you're Marshall Dillon mowing down criminal scum are defining characteristics of Tea Partiers is purely coincidental.  Saying "Tea Partiers" is just simpler.
 
2014-06-26 08:29:08 AM

Tricky Chicken: GoldSpider: feckingmorons: I guess I'm a gun totin' zealot, but if I'm ever shot at again I want to be able to shoot back.

It sounds like you frequently put yourself into places/situations where you fear you may be shot at.  I wonder why that is.

I was getting shot at in a 'secure' federal building in Washington DC a few months ago. The reason I frequent there is to get a paycheck.

This was also an act of an untreated mentally ill person.  If he were treated appropriately, he would still be alive, and so would several of my co-workers and friends. But of course, this is all just because guns are bad.


Oh snap!!!
 
2014-06-26 08:30:45 AM

cwolf20: Since some voters who vote Democrat carry concealed or just have weapons in their house.  You just called your fellow armed voters psychotics and sociopaths. Or you insulted them by calling them Tea Partiers


Do you see what your brain did there subconsciously?

I - a liberal - put forth a gun control idea that was definitively not "ban all guns ever", yet your brain still heard "THAT DIRTY LIB'S TRYIN TO GRAB ALL OUR GUNS!"  The only logical explanation must be that I was equating "psychotics, sociopaths, and teabaggers" with "all gun owners everywhere, even democrats", otherwise how could I possibly fit the liberal stereotype you have burned into your mind?
 
2014-06-26 08:32:00 AM
dookdookdook:

Hey, if it were up to me (and most of the rest of the civilized world) Cheney and Bush would be about 10 years into their 40 year prison sentences as we speak.

Or is this more "a Bubba with a hunting rifle can keep the US Marines in check because liberty and freedom and guerrilla warfare and such"?


All of this. Cheney and Bush broke international law and as a consequence over 100,000 people were killed. As if that wasn't not bad enough, all the work they did is being undone by a few thousand thugs who are taking over the country whose freedom only cost them 1.7 trillion dollars, and over 5,000 American lives. How do these guys get a pass? Is it that the scale of these atrocities are so utterly incomprehensible?

A thousand Bubbas couldn't withstand the might of the American Army. The thought that a few guys with rifles could do much damage to a drone or an Apache is absurd. The whole "we gotta protecer erseffs from the guvernment" doesn't wash.
 
2014-06-26 08:32:51 AM

dookdookdook: Man with a gun shoots a criminal: Absolute justification for unrestricted global access to firearms.

Man with a gun shoots 20 5 year olds: Random isolated incident.



That's a bingo!
 
2014-06-26 08:33:03 AM

thedumbone: White_Scarf_Syndrome: "OMG why do you carry a pistol in the car? With your son too??"
"You see all these homeless people on every single corner?"
"Well yeah, they need help.."
"When they are banging on my window my only option is to point it at them or pull forward into the intersection and get t-boned.  What would you do?"
"...."

Banging on your window is not life threatening and is no reason to pull a gun.  Don't pull a gun unless you plan to USE it.  I recommend option C - be uncomfortable for a few seconds.


I've never had to actually point it.  He saw that I was reaching and backed off.

Normally I do just sit and "be uncomfortable", but that is usually when I'm alone.  When I have my son I get a little Mama Bear thing going on.  You don't know what it's like until you live in this farking town.  It is almost quite literally EVERY intersection has some person there begging.
 
2014-06-26 08:33:45 AM

HotWingConspiracy: White_Scarf_Syndrome: "OMG why do you carry a pistol in the car? With your son too??"
"You see all these homeless people on every single corner?"
"Well yeah, they need help.."
"When they are banging on my window my only option is to point it at them or pull forward into the intersection and get t-boned.  What would you do?"
"...."

Where the fark do you live?


That's not uncommon in south Florida, I've had them pull on the door handle (locked). We have one loon that walks toward traffic in the middle lane of US1 (6 lanes). yelling at the voices in his head. He's been around a couple of years now. One day he did a stunt dive in front of my truck, I swerved and missed. Most of the people I know are CCW permit holders and you would never be aware of it. It's just the way things are.
 
2014-06-26 08:35:23 AM

dookdookdook: cwolf20: Since some voters who vote Democrat carry concealed or just have weapons in their house.  You just called your fellow armed voters psychotics and sociopaths. Or you insulted them by calling them Tea Partiers

Do you see what your brain did there subconsciously?

I - a liberal - put forth a gun control idea that was definitively not "ban all guns ever", yet your brain still heard "THAT DIRTY LIB'S TRYIN TO GRAB ALL OUR GUNS!"  The only logical explanation must be that I was equating "psychotics, sociopaths, and teabaggers" with "all gun owners everywhere, even democrats", otherwise how could I possibly fit the liberal stereotype you have burned into your mind?



The lizard brain hears what it wants to hear.
 
2014-06-26 08:35:32 AM
http://www.wdam.com/story/25019587/lumberton-stabbing-sends-store-man a ger-to-hospital

So according the the only actual article I can find on the original incident (that isn't a post on a gun-nut site), the CCW guy didn't "stop" anything. He let the manager get stabbed half to death and then just chased down the perp after the fact and held him at gunpoint. The gun didn't prevent anything other than saving the cops a few hours in locating the attacker.
 
2014-06-26 08:37:38 AM

HotWingConspiracy: White_Scarf_Syndrome: "OMG why do you carry a pistol in the car? With your son too??"
"You see all these homeless people on every single corner?"
"Well yeah, they need help.."
"When they are banging on my window my only option is to point it at them or pull forward into the intersection and get t-boned.  What would you do?"
"...."

Where the fark do you live?


The capital of Texas has a ridiculous homeless policy.  There are people on almost every single highway intersection begging.  Walking up and down the red lights with some sign.  Some dog or puppy they have trained.  I'm not an anti-homeless person, but it's just too much, and I don't trust them.  They are clearly mentally unstable and I have no problem carrying a pistol on my front seat when I have my son.  I have had them just completely go off for no reason other than me ignoring them, waving hi, saying sorry no cash, stopping too quickly, stopping too slowly, "almost" hitting them when they are walking in the street on an interstate highway, the list goes on and on.

But yeah, I'm supposed to just sit there and "be uncomfortable for a few minutes."

fark that.  It wears on you when it's several times a day every single day.  I like it here but there are some really really screwed up things about Austin.  Also the hipsters.  Don't even get me started.
 
2014-06-26 08:39:00 AM

cwolf20: Since some voters who vote Democrat carry concealed or just have weapons in their house. You just called your fellow armed voters psychotics and sociopaths. Or you insulted them by calling them Tea Partiers


What color is the sky in your world? Your response is completely incoherent and at best only vaguely related to what I wrote. I sure as hell never called anyone a psychopath or a sociopath. I certainly didn't call anyone a Tea Partier and in fact said I'm not a sympathizer of theirs. I never said anything about democrats and I sure as hell didn't say anything about voting.

You have jumped the shark so far I'm not sure if getting back on your meds would do you any good.
 
2014-06-26 08:39:34 AM

skozlaw: Elzar: Ima let you gun nuts finish jacking, but what if you are seated with your family at your fave Chick-fil-a and 5 black men open the door and walk in with AK-47s. Do you:
A) Flip over the table and start trading shots
B) shrug your shoulders and begrudge them their god givn rights to open carry
C) slink out the back while speed dialing the po po

[mestadelsbilder.files.wordpress.com image 850x768]

Who needs a gun when you have a wookie.


I had one, but then I bent it...

img.fark.net
 
2014-06-26 08:40:40 AM

Rav Tokomi: The gun didn't prevent anything other than saving the cops a few hours in locating the attacker.


Since guns are just inanimate objects that don't kill people, people kill people, we can surmise there are zero gun deaths every year in America. Meanwhile, knives kill hundreds of people. If that gun hadn't taken it upon itself to chase down that attacker, that knife could have gone on a rampage and caused untold carnage. That proves, with the maths, that guns save lives.

QED, lib.

Q.E. Farking. D.
 
2014-06-26 08:41:08 AM
it occurs to me, that every growed-up has the capacity for protecting themselves.
so if someone finds guns scary, that's absolutely fine
or if they trust in their government enough to only want them to have the guns..that's great also
I vow not to waste sympathy if a bad person does something to them, or their family.

darwin
 
2014-06-26 08:42:27 AM
Did anyone notice this article is bullshiat?

For sourcing, we have: "I of course called Keith's Superstore in Lumberton, MS to find out what their logic was. Long story short, they were quite rude, and refused to answer any questions pertaining to this incident. "

The also credit Mississippi Gun News with providing content for the article. So, can we have a link to their article, which presumably shows its sources? Um, sorry, just a link to their website, no specific article.

In other words: this story could very well be made up.
 
2014-06-26 08:43:00 AM

FirstNationalBastard: So I'll be justified next the I carry my suitcase nuke with me?


One day idiots will learn the difference between arms and ordnance. One day...
 
2014-06-26 08:43:39 AM
The wording of the headline says a lot about subby, methinks.
 
2014-06-26 08:45:12 AM

dookdookdook: onyxruby: I'm no tea party sympathizer, but the idea of restricting rights based on political party affiliation strikes me as a very nazi like attitude.

"Tea Party" != "Republican".  They'll be the first to tell you that.

Anyway, the fact that hoarding guns and calling for armed revolution against government employees and fantasizing about solving all of life's problems like you're Marshall Dillon mowing down criminal scum are defining characteristics of Tea Partiers is purely coincidental.  Saying "Tea Partiers" is just simpler.


Want to know why gun legislation that limits access to guns based on a prior history of mental illness will never pass in America?

:: holds up mirror ::

It's because of people like you! Congratulations!
 
2014-06-26 08:45:35 AM

Tricky Chicken: dookdookdook: Man with a gun shoots a criminal: Absolute justification for unrestricted global access to firearms.

Man Known lunatic with access to a legally purchased gun that no proposed restrictions would have made illegal shoots 20 5 year olds: Random isolated incident.

Just a little clarification.  You can insert the 'person with documented mental problems' into almost all the mass shootings, but guns are the problem not neglecting mentally ill people.


Almost all.  But you can insert the 'guns' into ALL the 'mass shootings', so, yeah.  Guns are the problem.

/Why is this math so hard?
 
2014-06-26 08:45:43 AM

GoldSpider: Tricky Chicken: But of course, this is all just because guns are bad.

Trust me, people around here don't see me as a "guns are bad" kind of person.  I'm just naturally curious about mentality of people who seem to be stuck in a state of hyper-vigilance to the point that it seems they seek out opportunities to defend themselves.  Not saying you're that type, but an awful lot of vocal "second-amentment rights advocates" seem to fit that mold.


Just the ones you see on television. There are millions of us walking around with guns everyday that you never know exist.
 
2014-06-26 08:45:58 AM
All they needed was one of these signs:
img.fark.net
img.fark.net
 
2014-06-26 08:47:52 AM

MyRandomName: FirstNationalBastard: So I'll be justified next the I carry my suitcase nuke with me?

One day idiots will learn the difference between arms and ordnance. One day...



You had to find some way to make that whole second amendment language fit with what you want it to mean, right?
 
2014-06-26 08:48:28 AM

Geoff Peterson: The wording of the headline says a lot about subby, methinks.


Smells like ham and coon skin cap, to me.
 
2014-06-26 08:48:32 AM
FreakyBunny:  Cheney and Bush broke international law and as a consequence over 100,000 people were killed.

The Iraq Resolution a/k/a The Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 passed  the Senate 77 - 23 and House 297 - 133.  Just shy of 60% of Democrat Senators voted for it.
 
2014-06-26 08:49:50 AM

Rhino_man: The people who AREN'T reasonable are the open carry farkwits who lose their mind and act like spoiled children when a business tells them not to carry.


Most of the "open carry farkwits" I've heard about don't go into businesses that have "no guns" signs up, they merely publicize the fact that such stores have banned them from being armed.  This upsets the stores in question, since lots of gun owners are quite willing to boycott such stores.  Hell, I STILL will not own a S&W product due to S&W's former owner's actions during the '90s.  Sure, ownership has changed hands, but if a company tries to fark with my rights by publicly fellating our common enemies, their "brand" is forever tainted, and I'm not alone in this.  Same deal with Ruger.
 
2014-06-26 08:52:27 AM

jaybeezey: GoldSpider: Tricky Chicken: But of course, this is all just because guns are bad.

Trust me, people around here don't see me as a "guns are bad" kind of person.  I'm just naturally curious about mentality of people who seem to be stuck in a state of hyper-vigilance to the point that it seems they seek out opportunities to defend themselves.  Not saying you're that type, but an awful lot of vocal "second-amentment rights advocates" seem to fit that mold.

Just the ones you see on television. There are millions of us walking around with guns everyday that you never know exist.


Very true. And I have no idea how many of them are trained in how to safely own/carry.
 
2014-06-26 08:53:56 AM
But I thought CCW never stops any crime?
 
2014-06-26 08:54:19 AM

Secret Master of All Flatulence: Most of the "open carry farkwits" I've heard about don't go into businesses that have "no guns" signs up, they merely publicize the fact that such stores have banned them from being armed. This upsets the stores in question, since lots of gun owners are quite willing to boycott such stores. Hell, I STILL will not own a S&W product due to S&W's former owner's actions during the '90s. Sure, ownership has changed hands, but if a company tries to fark with my rights by publicly fellating our common enemies, their "brand" is forever tainted, and I'm not alone in this. Same deal with Ruger.


You sound like the kind of reasoned and rational person who should be owning deadly weapons...
 
2014-06-26 08:55:22 AM

Tricky Chicken: FirstNationalBastard: So I'll be justified next the I carry my suitcase nuke with me?

Translation: I don't always herp. But when I do, I derp.


Lighten up, Francis.  It was a farking joke.
 
2014-06-26 08:55:43 AM

White_Scarf_Syndrome: HotWingConspiracy: White_Scarf_Syndrome: "OMG why do you carry a pistol in the car? With your son too??"
"You see all these homeless people on every single corner?"
"Well yeah, they need help.."
"When they are banging on my window my only option is to point it at them or pull forward into the intersection and get t-boned.  What would you do?"
"...."

Where the fark do you live?

The capital of Texas has a ridiculous homeless policy.  There are people on almost every single highway intersection begging.  Walking up and down the red lights with some sign.  Some dog or puppy they have trained.  I'm not an anti-homeless person, but it's just too much, and I don't trust them.  They are clearly mentally unstable and I have no problem carrying a pistol on my front seat when I have my son.  I have had them just completely go off for no reason other than me ignoring them, waving hi, saying sorry no cash, stopping too quickly, stopping too slowly, "almost" hitting them when they are walking in the street on an interstate highway, the list goes on and on.

But yeah, I'm supposed to just sit there and "be uncomfortable for a few minutes."

fark that.  It wears on you when it's several times a day every single day.  I like it here but there are some really really screwed up things about Austin.  Also the hipsters.  Don't even get me started.


I deal with those guys too here in Houston. Never had anything even remotely like that happen to me. I doubt you have either.
 
2014-06-26 08:56:54 AM
Wow, I've seen some shiatty links on Fark, but that one takes the cake. No source for this story, no link to any actual news coverage of the alleged CCW-hero-stops-stabbist event. Just the unsupported word of a zealot. Try clicking on one of the links in the story. Hope you enjoy five popups to unrelated bullshiat.
 
2014-06-26 08:57:01 AM

dookdookdook: Man with a gun shoots a criminal: Absolute justification for unrestricted global access to firearms.

Man with a gun shoots 20 5 year olds: Random isolated incident.






Man kills 10 injuries 20 with flamethrower


Teenager kills 8 in knife attack

knife attack kills 33

Axe attacker kills 9
 
2014-06-26 08:57:11 AM

dookdookdook: Fair enough. How about we agree to begin by restricting gun ownership for psychotics, sociopaths, and admitted tea partiers until they get the medical help they desperately need (which will of course be provided free of charge under the new single-payer universal health care scheme).


I would not agree to that as a first step at all. I would include iminently dangerous psychosies in the same category as Cholera; Diphtheria; infectious Tuberculosis; Plague; Smallpox; Yellow Fever; and Viral Hemorrhagic Fevers.  Just remove the 'communicable' from Executive Order 13295 and make it about 'diseases that present an iminent public danger'.

Then public officials including police and medical professionals would be required under law to isolate dangerously mentally ill people from the general population.

Simple. then there is no Sandy Hook, Giffords, Aurora, Navy Yard, Santa Barbera or most of the others.
 
2014-06-26 08:58:49 AM

FirstNationalBastard: So I'll be justified next the I carry my suitcase nuke with me?


Sure and you should keep it real close to your crotch 24/7 because you never know when your going to need it and your mother said if you don't quit jerking off in the basement, come up and take out the trash she's going to cut off your allowance.
 
2014-06-26 08:59:25 AM

dualplains: Tricky Chicken: dookdookdook: Man with a gun shoots a criminal: Absolute justification for unrestricted global access to firearms.

Man Known lunatic with access to a legally purchased gun that no proposed restrictions would have made illegal shoots 20 5 year olds: Random isolated incident.

Just a little clarification.  You can insert the 'person with documented mental problems' into almost all the mass shootings, but guns are the problem not neglecting mentally ill people.

Almost all.  But you can insert the 'guns' into ALL the 'mass shootings', so, yeah.  Guns are the problem.

/Why is this math so hard?


You can also insert 'car' into ALL drunk driving accidents.

/Your argument is invalid.
 
2014-06-26 08:59:43 AM

lindalouwho: feckingmorons: I don't go to businesses that have no gun signs. I usually carry a gun.

I do go to the post office, but I can secure my gun in a locked compartment in my car. Few violent crimes in the Post Office, lots of violent crimes in stores and gas stations, and restaurants.

Businesses are free to make any rules regarding guns they wish. There are always other options for me.

I guess I'm a gun totin' zealot, but if I'm ever shot at again I want to be able to shoot back.

I'm a little amused by the mention of a post office since the whole "shoot 'em all up" thing was originally called "going postal".


That's also the title of an awesome book on the subject.
 
2014-06-26 09:00:45 AM

Elzar: Ima let you gun nuts finish jacking, but what if you are seated with your family at your fave Chick-fil-a and 5 black men open the door and walk in with AK-47s. Do you:
A) Flip over the table and start trading shots
B) shrug your shoulders and begrudge them their god givn rights to open carry
C) slink out the back while speed dialing the po po


As someone who lives in Houston, I would LOVE to see this happen. I would love to see what happens when said black men walk into a restaraunt in the subburbs carrying the same kind of weapons that the Texas open carry folks are hauling around.

Now, I'm in favor of concealed carry and the Castle Doctrine. However, I really despise those Open Carry morans. (And I'm not surprised they decided to cancel their little parade into the Fifth Ward.) So I'd love to see your scenario happen, because if anything, it might get those Open Carry Trolls to stop being such idiots.

I don't believe guns are the problem. It is people who are the problem. Which is why we need more regulations on the people who would then use guns to kill. And that means we need to close all gun buying loopholes and have better background checks. And yes, there should be circumstances in which a person can lose their ability to own a firearm. That might not prevent all gun deaths (it won't) but if it can make the numbers go down, that would help.
 
2014-06-26 09:03:42 AM

reillan: Noam Chimpsky: Do armed robbers even no how to read?

Are you an armed robber?


Obviously knot.
 
2014-06-26 09:06:10 AM

Secret Master of All Flatulence: Rhino_man: The people who AREN'T reasonable are the open carry farkwits who lose their mind and act like spoiled children when a business tells them not to carry.

Most of the "open carry farkwits" I've heard about don't go into businesses that have "no guns" signs up, they merely publicize the fact that such stores have banned them from being armed.  This upsets the stores in question, since lots of gun owners are quite willing to boycott such stores.  Hell, I STILL will not own a S&W product due to S&W's former owner's actions during the '90s.  Sure, ownership has changed hands, but if a company tries to fark with my rights by publicly fellating our common enemies, their "brand" is forever tainted, and I'm not alone in this.  Same deal with Ruger.



Yes - Smith and Wesson was definitely the equivalent of Stalin for supporting reasonable gun regulations, and should be vilified as the traitor to our god-given rights to buy Smith and Wesson products with minimal regulation that it is.
 
2014-06-26 09:08:12 AM

hasty ambush: dookdookdook: Man with a gun shoots a criminal: Absolute justification for unrestricted global access to firearms.

Man with a gun shoots 20 5 year olds: Random isolated incident.

Man kills 10 injuries 20 with flamethrower

Teenager kills 8 in knife attack

knife attack kills 33

Axe attacker kills 9



We obviously all need to stockpile flamethrowers, knives and axes, and carry them wherever we go at all times.  It's the only way to stop these things from happening.
 
2014-06-26 09:09:07 AM

Tricky Chicken: dookdookdook: being a right wing militia goon qualifies as a documented mental problem?

I am not sure about 'documented, but the suggestion/argument has merits.


And people wonder why there's such opposition to laws restricting the rights of the mentally ill to own firearms?

/Remembers when homosexuality was removed as a mental illness from the DSM in '73
 
2014-06-26 09:11:36 AM

hasty ambush: dookdookdook: Man with a gun shoots a criminal: Absolute justification for unrestricted global access to firearms.

Man with a gun shoots 20 5 year olds: Random isolated incident.


Man kills 10 injuries 20 with flamethrower

Teenager kills 8 in knife attack

knife attack kills 33

Axe attacker kills 9



One of these things is not like the others.

If your examples actually make your point, you wouldn't have to tactically manipulate your facts, like that the knife attack was by multiple attackers and that they killed 29 people, not 33.
 
2014-06-26 09:14:33 AM

Chummer45: Yes - Smith and Wesson was definitely the equivalent of Stalin for supporting reasonable gun regulations, and should be vilified as the traitor to our god-given rights to buy Smith and Wesson products with minimal regulation that it is.


Um, no.  S&W was willing to sell out it's customer base in exchange for preferential treatment in procuring government contracts.  As a member of it's customer base, I have the right to tell S&W to DIAF and take my money elsewhere.  Same deal with Bill Ruger's willingness to go along with the anti-gunners in banning standard-capacity semi-auto magazines because, at the time, his business was mostly revolvers.
 
2014-06-26 09:17:50 AM

feckingmorons: I don't go to businesses that have no gun signs. I usually carry a gun.

I do go to the post office, but I can secure my gun in a locked compartment in my car. Few violent crimes in the Post Office, lots of violent crimes in stores and gas stations, and restaurants.

Businesses are free to make any rules regarding guns they wish. There are always other options for me.

I guess I'm a gun totin' zealot, but if I'm ever shot at again I want to be able to shoot back.


sorry about your penis
 
2014-06-26 09:20:06 AM

feckingmorons: I don't go to businesses that have no gun signs. I usually carry a gun.

I do go to the post office, but I can secure my gun in a locked compartment in my car. Few violent crimes in the Post Office, lots of violent crimes in stores and gas stations, and restaurants.

Businesses are free to make any rules regarding guns they wish. There are always other options for me.

I guess I'm a gun totin' zealot, but if I'm ever shot at again I want to be able to shoot back.


You won't have a chance. That's real life. I know in your mind you're Clint Eastwood starring in your own personal movie.

But that's actually a mental disorder.
 
2014-06-26 09:20:29 AM
Obviously the CCW holder scared the manager more than the knife-wielding robber did. I blame the media hype.

/obviously we're back to "zero days since last mass shooting"
//because this was a mass shooting
///or at least meets all the criteria of previously reported mass shootings
 
2014-06-26 09:21:00 AM

dookdookdook: cwolf20: Since some voters who vote Democrat carry concealed or just have weapons in their house.  You just called your fellow armed voters psychotics and sociopaths. Or you insulted them by calling them Tea Partiers

Do you see what your brain did there subconsciously?

I - a liberal - put forth a gun control idea that was definitively not "ban all guns ever", yet your brain still heard "THAT DIRTY LIB'S TRYIN TO GRAB ALL OUR GUNS!"  The only logical explanation must be that I was equating "psychotics, sociopaths, and teabaggers" with "all gun owners everywhere, even democrats", otherwise how could I possibly fit the liberal stereotype you have burned into your mind?


Actually what I really did. Is misread "restricting gun ownership FOR" as "restricting gun ownership  TO"  Then slapped my unintentional silliness into it.
 
2014-06-26 09:21:47 AM

Dog Welder: I of course called Keith's Superstore in Lumberton, MS to find out what their logic was. Long story short, they were quite rude, and refused to answer any questions pertaining to this incident. Perhaps I should've asked why they didn't post a "No Knives" sign!

Yes, I'm sure he asked his questions in a non-rude manner.  That whole article is dripping with assholeishness.


He also plays fast and loose with the facts- the article claims that the stabbing was stopped by civilian carrying a concealed weapon- but the local news states that "he chased down" the assailant and held him at gun point until the cops arrived, not that he stopped the assault.  http://www.wdam.com/story/25019587/lumberton-stabbing-sends-store-man a ger-to-hospital
 
2014-06-26 09:22:19 AM

Tricky Chicken: Then public officials including police and medical professionals would be required under law to isolate dangerously mentally ill people from the general population.

Simple. then there is no Sandy Hook, Giffords, Aurora, Navy Yard, Santa Barbera or most of the others.


The laws that make this possible are still in place. The problem is that they were defunded. So in all seriousness I ask; where is the money to take care of these people going to come from?
 
2014-06-26 09:22:21 AM

Chummer45: dookdookdook: cwolf20: Since some voters who vote Democrat carry concealed or just have weapons in their house.  You just called your fellow armed voters psychotics and sociopaths. Or you insulted them by calling them Tea Partiers

Do you see what your brain did there subconsciously?

I - a liberal - put forth a gun control idea that was definitively not "ban all guns ever", yet your brain still heard "THAT DIRTY LIB'S TRYIN TO GRAB ALL OUR GUNS!"  The only logical explanation must be that I was equating "psychotics, sociopaths, and teabaggers" with "all gun owners everywhere, even democrats", otherwise how could I possibly fit the liberal stereotype you have burned into your mind?


The lizard brain hears what it wants to hear.


See my reply.  Replace lizard with "damn new cat causing insomnia where the hell is my caffeine, ooh ice cream. Wait, I'm at work"
 
2014-06-26 09:22:30 AM

Chummer45: Secret Master of All Flatulence: Rhino_man: The people who AREN'T reasonable are the open carry farkwits who lose their mind and act like spoiled children when a business tells them not to carry.

Most of the "open carry farkwits" I've heard about don't go into businesses that have "no guns" signs up, they merely publicize the fact that such stores have banned them from being armed.  This upsets the stores in question, since lots of gun owners are quite willing to boycott such stores.  Hell, I STILL will not own a S&W product due to S&W's former owner's actions during the '90s.  Sure, ownership has changed hands, but if a company tries to fark with my rights by publicly fellating our common enemies, their "brand" is forever tainted, and I'm not alone in this.  Same deal with Ruger.


Yes - Smith and Wesson was definitely the equivalent of Stalin for supporting reasonable gun regulations, and should be vilified as the traitor to our god-given rights to buy Smith and Wesson products with minimal regulation that it is.


But you don't understand. They were selling TRIGGER LOCKS with all their pistols. TRIGGER LOCKS. Greatest threat to our Constitutional rights since the Alien & Sedition Acts of 1798.
 
2014-06-26 09:23:40 AM

onyxruby: cwolf20: Since some voters who vote Democrat carry concealed or just have weapons in their house. You just called your fellow armed voters psychotics and sociopaths. Or you insulted them by calling them Tea Partiers

What color is the sky in your world? Your response is completely incoherent and at best only vaguely related to what I wrote. I sure as hell never called anyone a psychopath or a sociopath. I certainly didn't call anyone a Tea Partier and in fact said I'm not a sympathizer of theirs. I never said anything about democrats and I sure as hell didn't say anything about voting.

You have jumped the shark so far I'm not sure if getting back on your meds would do you any good.


Once again, see my Weeners, then buy yourself a cookie.  I can't go out to a bakery while at work, so you get to lovingly chow down on it knowing I'm going to salivate at my monitor all day.
 
2014-06-26 09:24:33 AM

Cold_Sassy: Tricky Chicken: FirstNationalBastard: So I'll be justified next the I carry my suitcase nuke with me?

Translation: I don't always herp. But when I do, I derp.

Lighten up, Francis.  It was a farking joke.


I like you.

I like you so much, I'd only have one gun on me if we ever met.

/and it would be a small one.
 
2014-06-26 09:26:13 AM
onyxruby: 
What color is the sky in your world? Your response is completely incoherent and at best only vaguely related to what I wrote. I sure as hell never called anyone a psychopath or a sociopath. I certainly didn't call anyone a Tea Partier and in fact said I'm not a sympathizer of theirs. I never said anything about democrats and I sure as hell didn't say anything about voting.

You have jumped the shark so far I'm not sure if getting back on your meds would do you any good.


Well, if you want to see my wiener I'm afraid I'm not going to indulge you.  If it's hot dogs, still not going to. Those are mine.

However I said  "r e p l y"
 
2014-06-26 09:26:14 AM

Secret Master of All Flatulence: Tricky Chicken: dookdookdook: being a right wing militia goon qualifies as a documented mental problem?

I am not sure about 'documented, but the suggestion/argument has merits.

And people wonder why there's such opposition to laws restricting the rights of the mentally ill to own firearms?

/Remembers when homosexuality was removed as a mental illness from the DSM in '73


The actual 'right wing militia' isn't necessarily indicative of mental illness.  But the frequently accompanied paranoia may be indicative of an underlying mental issue.  Not all paranoia is illness mind you, but some is.

I wonder if there is a statistically significant higher representation of clinical paranoia in militia populations.  Seems like a populaiton that might be resistant to study.
 
2014-06-26 09:26:44 AM

salvador.hardin: hasty ambush: dookdookdook: Man with a gun shoots a criminal: Absolute justification for unrestricted global access to firearms.

Man with a gun shoots 20 5 year olds: Random isolated incident.


Man kills 10 injuries 20 with flamethrower

Teenager kills 8 in knife attack

knife attack kills 33

Axe attacker kills 9


One of these things is not like the others.

If your examples actually make your point, you wouldn't have to tactically manipulate your facts, like that the knife attack was by multiple attackers and that they killed 29 people, not 33.


Revise figures update to 33 also 143 injured.  Divide 176 by number of attackers



Link
 
2014-06-26 09:27:27 AM

onzmadi: feckingmorons: I don't go to businesses that have no gun signs. I usually carry a gun.

I do go to the post office, but I can secure my gun in a locked compartment in my car. Few violent crimes in the Post Office, lots of violent crimes in stores and gas stations, and restaurants.

Businesses are free to make any rules regarding guns they wish. There are always other options for me.

I guess I'm a gun totin' zealot, but if I'm ever shot at again I want to be able to shoot back.

sorry about your penis


Your psychological obsession with feckingmoron's genitals is not an appropriate subject for this discussion.
 
2014-06-26 09:27:34 AM

ko_kyi: To paraphrase another Farker, guns are tools of murder, pure and simple, and as such only belong in the hands of the government.


I, for one, appreciated your comment for the snark it is.
 
2014-06-26 09:27:57 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Cold_Sassy: Tricky Chicken: FirstNationalBastard: So I'll be justified next the I carry my suitcase nuke with me?

Translation: I don't always herp. But when I do, I derp.

Lighten up, Francis.  It was a farking joke.

I like you.

I like you so much, I'd only have one gun on me if we ever met.

/and it would be a small one.


That's all I usually have at a time ;)
 
2014-06-26 09:29:38 AM

Zeb Hesselgresser: FreakyBunny:  Cheney and Bush broke international law and as a consequence over 100,000 people were killed.

The Iraq Resolution a/k/a The Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 passed  the Senate 77 - 23 and House 297 - 133.  Just shy of 60% of Democrat Senators voted for it.


Oh snap

/LOL
 
2014-06-26 09:30:13 AM

KeatingFive: feckingmorons: I don't go to businesses that have no gun signs. I usually carry a gun.

I do go to the post office, but I can secure my gun in a locked compartment in my car. Few violent crimes in the Post Office, lots of violent crimes in stores and gas stations, and restaurants.

Businesses are free to make any rules regarding guns they wish. There are always other options for me.

I guess I'm a gun totin' zealot, but if I'm ever shot at again I want to be able to shoot back.

You won't have a chance. That's real life. I know in your mind you're Clint Eastwood starring in your own personal movie.

But that's actually a mental disorder.


You are correct; absolutely no concealed weapons permit holder has ever, at any time, successfully utilized a firearm for purposes of defense, and the belief that news reports of such successful defenses exist are actually psychotic delusions.

Fortunately, no such news reports exist in reality, because the existence of even one would demonstrate your claim to be false.
 
2014-06-26 09:33:27 AM

ajgeek: Tricky Chicken: Then public officials including police and medical professionals would be required under law to isolate dangerously mentally ill people from the general population.

Simple. then there is no Sandy Hook, Giffords, Aurora, Navy Yard, Santa Barbera or most of the others.

The laws that make this possible are still in place. The problem is that they were defunded. So in all seriousness I ask; where is the money to take care of these people going to come from?


If a doctor suspects you of having communicable Yellow Fever, he is required by law to have you quarrantined, by force and against your will if necessary.

I wasn't aware that they have the same requirements for dangerous mental illnesses.
 
2014-06-26 09:34:10 AM

soporific: I don't believe guns are the problem. It is people who are the problem. Which is why we need more regulations on the people who would then use guns to kill. And that means we need to close all gun buying loopholes and have better background checks. And yes, there should be circumstances in which a person can lose their ability to own a firearm. That might not prevent all gun deaths (it won't) but if it can make the numbers go down, that would help.


I have been assured that not advocating a complete prohibition upon civilian ownership of all semi-automatic firearms demonstrates an advocacy of "all guns, all the time, everywhere, for everyone". Clearly, then, you are misrepresenting your beliefs.

I have also been assured that opposing a prohibition upon civilian ownership of .50 caliber rifles, with government confiscation of currently owned firearms, demonstrates an individual to be a "bagger".
 
2014-06-26 09:34:43 AM
Years ago, I was married to a "if I can't have you, no one can" type.  So, my lawyer strongly encourage me to get trained, and get a CCW permit.  I did, and have kept it current, even though I haven't carried in years.

I later worked at a place that had a stranger on employee assault prior to my getting hired.  I was issued a manual that said no weapons would be tolerated.  Instead, we were given emergency alert buttons that have a range that supposedly extended to the parking lot.  If we felt threatened, we were to hit the panic buttons and the cops would show up.  After several situations in the parking lots, in which the cops did not arrive, we were told to leave our buttons inside when leaving,  All of this because the insurance company liability issues.  Most everybody that wasn't management started carrying a variety of items that could double as a weapon.  It was surreal.
 
2014-06-26 09:35:30 AM
CSB:

I worked with a boss who told me that if we ever were getting robbed, under NO circumstances was anyone to hit the silent alarm while the robbers were there.  His reasoning is that the cops were going to be coming in with their guns drawn, the robbers already have their guns out, and we were the ones either getting hit in the crossfire or taken hostage.

/Just give them the money as quickly and politely as possible
 
2014-06-26 09:36:20 AM

skozlaw: You sound like the kind of reasoned and rational person who should be owning deadly weapons...


Hey, if a company makes it painfully obvious that it doesn't want my money, I'm willing to honor their request and take my business to an establishment that does.  Given the number of gun owners (70+ million) in this country, even if only 10% of gun owners feel as I do, there will be no shortage of businesses happy to cater to our combined idiosyncrasies.  I'd also note that I've "voted with my feet"...in other words, I've chosen NOT to live anywhere near where I was born, instead choosing to live someplace where my views are seen as "strictly vanilla" and nowhere near extreme.

One other note:  For the person in the last gun thread who was wondering if my wife is "pre-op"?  I can't say for sure, as I only met her when she was in her early teens.  (Before somebody gets even more snarky and brings up the whole "statutory rape" thing, I've known her since she was in her early teens, we started dating when she was in her mid-20's, we got married when she was in her early 30's, and didn't start breeding until she was in her mid 30's.)  Given that I was in the OR and saw the OB/GYN remove both of our children from her, I think it's highly probable that she is genetically female.  Even so, she's probably still got a bigger penis than most "XY" anti-gunners.
 
2014-06-26 09:36:49 AM

feckingmorons: I don't go to businesses that have no gun signs. I usually carry a gun.

I do go to the post office, but I can secure my gun in a locked compartment in my car. Few violent crimes in the Post Office, lots of violent crimes in stores and gas stations, and restaurants.

Businesses are free to make any rules regarding guns they wish. There are always other options for me.

I guess I'm a gun totin' zealot, but if I'm ever shot at again I want to be able to shoot back.


Well, you are a bit of a zealot, but at least you're not in a frothing rage about it, screaming about how Target offends your second amendment rights to use your gun as a buttplug wherever you damn well please.  You're taking a sensible course of action based on your own beliefs (though I, personally, find those beliefs to be a bit paranoid).  That makes you good people.
 
2014-06-26 09:37:29 AM

dookdookdook: Man with a gun shoots 20 5 year olds: Random isolated incident.


you know what's great about 20 5 year olds?

...wait, that's not the right setup.

/nvrmnd
 
2014-06-26 09:40:46 AM

steve_as: Good for him! Props to the guy. Too bad people with CCW are far more likely to get killed or kill an innocent than stop an actual bad guy.


[citation needed]
 
2014-06-26 09:41:08 AM

GoldSpider: It sounds like you frequently put yourself into places/situations where you fear you may be shot at.  I wonder why that is.


Last time I faced off with people trying to kill me was in my driveway.  There was a huge storm during the day and the neighborhood lost power. So when I got home from work at about 10pm, I walked around the house looking for storm damage. When I came from the back yard in to the driveway and locked the gate behind me I started walking back to the front of my house, but I heard 2 guys yelling that they were going to kill me. They had chosen to take advantage of the blackout and the fact that all police and emergency services were busy handling traffic duty and storm issues to come kill whoever they thought I was.
They started backing me in to the corner between my house and my fence while I was trying to explain that I wasn't whoever they thought I was. They weren't listening, so I subtly unconcealed the gun on my him and grabbed it. As I was about to draw, the "back-up guy" (behind the truly angry man) must have saw what was about to happen, because he grabbed his friend by the shoulders and pulled him back, literally apologizing for the confusion and dragging his friend away.
Legally, I could have shot them both. They came on to my property, during a blackout, 2 to 1, for the stated purpose of killing me.
So are you saying I shouldn't frequent my own home?
I carry a gun because I'm not under the misunderstanding that I could rely on the police to help me in an emergency or that I might never have to face off with people trying to kill me for no reason.
 
2014-06-26 09:41:15 AM

cherryl taggart: Years ago, I was married to a "if I can't have you, no one can" type.  So, my lawyer strongly encourage me to get trained, and get a CCW permit.  I did, and have kept it current, even though I haven't carried in years.

I later worked at a place that had a stranger on employee assault prior to my getting hired.  I was issued a manual that said no weapons would be tolerated.  Instead, we were given emergency alert buttons that have a range that supposedly extended to the parking lot.  If we felt threatened, we were to hit the panic buttons and the cops would show up.  After several situations in the parking lots, in which the cops did not arrive, we were told to leave our buttons inside when leaving,  All of this because the insurance company liability issues.  Most everybody that wasn't management started carrying a variety of items that could double as a weapon.  It was surreal.


I was, at one time, employed as a cashier in a grocery store and while there I primarily worked third shift hours.

I was informed one day that another third-shift employee had been assaulted, struck and robbed by a customer.

Evidently, she asked if carrying pepper spray would be permissible. Reportedly, she was told that doing so was forbidden. She later resigned.

I purchased a canister of pepper spray and I began carrying it in a way that kept it visibly hanging from my pocket at all times. I never asked permission. No one said anything about it.

/Even after an incident of a pepper spray release in the produce department.
//I was nowhere nearby at the time.
 
2014-06-26 09:42:17 AM

MyRandomName: FirstNationalBastard: So I'll be justified next the I carry my suitcase nuke with me?

One day idiots will learn the difference between arms and ordnance. One day...


The Army Ordnance Museum doesn't know your nonsense definition of ordnance either:  http://www.williammaloney.com/Aviation/AberdeenUSArmyOrdinanceMuseum/ M useum/index.htm
 
2014-06-26 09:43:07 AM

Tricky Chicken: The actual 'right wing militia' isn't necessarily indicative of mental illness.  But the frequently accompanied paranoia may be indicative of an underlying mental issue.  Not all paranoia is illness mind you, but some is.

I wonder if there is a statistically significant higher representation of clinical paranoia in militia populations.  Seems like a populaiton that might be resistant to study.


While I've never tried to research the issue, I suspect that the further you go to both the left and the right, the higher the rates of mental illness will go.  I suspect that it's not a "left wing" or a "right wing" issue, it's a "fringe" issue.  It's also important to note that "a broken clock is right twice a day".  Just because somebody is on the "lunatic fringe", left OR right, doesn't mean that they may not have a point.  Prime example:  the idea that the government is monitoring us was seen as being fairly nutty lunatic fringe....until Snowden.
 
2014-06-26 09:43:19 AM

thedumbone: White_Scarf_Syndrome: "OMG why do you carry a pistol in the car? With your son too??"
"You see all these homeless people on every single corner?"
"Well yeah, they need help.."
"When they are banging on my window my only option is to point it at them or pull forward into the intersection and get t-boned.  What would you do?"
"...."

Banging on your window is not life threatening and is no reason to pull a gun.  Don't pull a gun unless you plan to USE it.  I recommend option C - be uncomfortable for a few seconds.


Depends on what he uses to bang on your window.
 
2014-06-26 09:43:28 AM

lenfromak: steve_as: Good for him! Props to the guy. Too bad people with CCW are far more likely to get killed or kill an innocent than stop an actual bad guy.

[citation needed]


A study of gunshot victims in Philadelphia determined that people who were carrying firearms, without any differentiation between those who carried legally and who carried illegally and without analysis of any other demographic factor apart from age, determined that people who carried firearms were more likely to be shot than those who did not.
 
2014-06-26 09:43:37 AM

hasty ambush: salvador.hardin: hasty ambush: dookdookdook: Man with a gun shoots a criminal: Absolute justification for unrestricted global access to firearms.

Man with a gun shoots 20 5 year olds: Random isolated incident.


Man kills 10 injuries 20 with flamethrower

Teenager kills 8 in knife attack

knife attack kills 33

Axe attacker kills 9


One of these things is not like the others.

If your examples actually make your point, you wouldn't have to tactically manipulate your facts, like that the knife attack was by multiple attackers and that they killed 29 people, not 33.

Revise figures update to 33 also 143 injured.  Divide 176 by number of attackers

Link


The 33 includes the four assailants that were shot dead by a single police officer armed with an automatic weapon (another was injured). It isn't a huge difference, but if you are making the point that knives are just as lethal as guns then you don't get to inflate the number with gun deaths.
 
2014-06-26 09:43:47 AM

boinkingbill: This is an excellent way to keep guns out of one's store.  Just look at how well the "Drug Fee Zone" signs at schools have worked.  Actually, they should start putting signs at the entrances of high rise building saying:  "No jumping from roof top".  I bet that would get rid of a lot of bad DNA.


Pretty much.  The type person you don't want carrying a gun into that store, will still be carrying the same gun into that store, just as illegally as before.  It's the responsible gun owners that will comply.
 
2014-06-26 09:45:52 AM

FirstNationalBastard: So I'll be justified next the I carry my suitcase nuke with me?


Let me see if I got this right.  You carry a Duke Nukem action figure in a suitcase?

www.figurerealm.com
 
2014-06-26 09:47:28 AM
Ah, this thread again. I thought it was impossible for civilian to stop a crime, because every criminal is Lex Luther and every concealed carry is Yosemite Sam.
 
2014-06-26 09:47:39 AM

FTDA: FirstNationalBastard: So I'll be justified next the I carry my suitcase nuke with me?

Let me see if I got this right.  You carry a Duke Nukem action figure in a suitcase?


I was told they would be highly collectible!

You have to protect your investment.
 
2014-06-26 09:48:00 AM

Elzar: Ima let you gun nuts finish jacking, but what if you are seated with your family at your fave Chick-fil-a and 5 black men open the door and walk in with AK-47s. Do you:
A) Flip over the table and start trading shots
B) shrug your shoulders and begrudge them their god givn rights to open carry
C) slink out the back while speed dialing the po po


Where did they get AK-47's?
 
2014-06-26 09:49:06 AM

ko_kyi: To paraphrase another Farker, guns are tools of murder, pure and simple, and as such only belong in the hands of the government.


My actual statement is that deadly semi-automatic assault weapons are tools of murder that should only be possessed by law enforcement agents.

Conventional firearms without assault weapon features may be owned by civilians, provided that they undergo an extensive six-month minimum application process with arbitrary criteria for approval or rejection.
 
2014-06-26 09:50:19 AM

WTFDYW: Zeb Hesselgresser: FreakyBunny:  Cheney and Bush broke international law and as a consequence over 100,000 people were killed.

The Iraq Resolution a/k/a The Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 passed  the Senate 77 - 23 and House 297 - 133.  Just shy of 60% of Democrat Senators voted for it.

Oh snap

/LOL


The AUMF didn't authorize violations of the Geneva Conventions. Nor does it justify the campaign of falsehoods used to get it passed.
 
2014-06-26 09:51:05 AM

Secret Master of All Flatulence: Prime example: the idea that the government is monitoring us was seen as being fairly nutty lunatic fringe....until Snowden


Well...

Paranoia that the gov't is reading my email is one thing.

Paranoia that the gov't inserted a chip into my polio vaccine scar to track me is another.
 
2014-06-26 09:51:23 AM

LazyMedia: Chummer45: Secret Master of All Flatulence: Rhino_man: The people who AREN'T reasonable are the open carry farkwits who lose their mind and act like spoiled children when a business tells them not to carry.

Most of the "open carry farkwits" I've heard about don't go into businesses that have "no guns" signs up, they merely publicize the fact that such stores have banned them from being armed.  This upsets the stores in question, since lots of gun owners are quite willing to boycott such stores.  Hell, I STILL will not own a S&W product due to S&W's former owner's actions during the '90s.  Sure, ownership has changed hands, but if a company tries to fark with my rights by publicly fellating our common enemies, their "brand" is forever tainted, and I'm not alone in this.  Same deal with Ruger.


Yes - Smith and Wesson was definitely the equivalent of Stalin for supporting reasonable gun regulations, and should be vilified as the traitor to our god-given rights to buy Smith and Wesson products with minimal regulation that it is.

But you don't understand. They were selling TRIGGER LOCKS with all their pistols. TRIGGER LOCKS. Greatest threat to our Constitutional rights since the Alien & Sedition Acts of 1798.



How DARE S&W try to make their products safer around children!!??  How DARE S&W admit that its products are actually pretty dangerous and must be handled and stored responsibly? Monsters.
 
2014-06-26 09:52:30 AM

lack of warmth: boinkingbill: This is an excellent way to keep guns out of one's store.  Just look at how well the "Drug Fee Zone" signs at schools have worked.  Actually, they should start putting signs at the entrances of high rise building saying:  "No jumping from roof top".  I bet that would get rid of a lot of bad DNA.

Pretty much.  The type person you don't want carrying a gun into that store, will still be carrying the same gun into that store, just as illegally as before.  It's the responsible gun owners that will comply.



Exactly. That's why it's pointless to have any laws in the first place. Criminals are just going to break them no matter what by definition.
 
2014-06-26 09:52:53 AM

Dimensio: ko_kyi: To paraphrase another Farker, guns are tools of murder, pure and simple, and as such only belong in the hands of the government.

My actual statement is that deadly semi-automatic assault weapons are tools of murder that should only be possessed by law enforcement agents.

Conventional firearms without assault weapon features may be owned by civilians, provided that they undergo an extensive six-month minimum application process with arbitrary criteria for approval or rejection.


englishedithelp.files.wordpress.com
 
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2014-06-26 09:53:00 AM
I always show up late to the gun threads.  Only two penis references so far and no one has fact-checked whether or not the assailant was wearing a hoodie.  Am I on a FARK clone site?

© http://gunssavelives.net/category/self-defense/  (self defense stories for the indoctrinated)
 
2014-06-26 09:55:59 AM

ThatGuyOverThere: I carry a gun because I'm not under the misunderstanding that I could rely on the police to help me in an emergency or that I might never have to face off with people trying to kill me for no reason.


This OBVIOUSLY makes you a paranoid lunatic, just like those people who are CLEARLY arsonists because they choose to keep a fire extinguisher in their cars.
 
2014-06-26 09:57:20 AM

trevzie: Dimensio: ko_kyi: To paraphrase another Farker, guns are tools of murder, pure and simple, and as such only belong in the hands of the government.

My actual statement is that deadly semi-automatic assault weapons are tools of murder that should only be possessed by law enforcement agents.

Conventional firearms without assault weapon features may be owned by civilians, provided that they undergo an extensive six-month minimum application process with arbitrary criteria for approval or rejection.

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1

a: depending on individual discretion (as of a judge) and not fixed by law


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a : not restrained or limited in the exercise of power : ruling by absolute authority
b : marked by or resulting from the unrestrained and often tyrannical exercise of power


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b : existing or coming about seemingly at random or by chance or as a capricious and unreasonable act of will
 
2014-06-26 09:58:16 AM

trevzie: Ah, this thread again. I thought it was impossible for civilian to stop a crime, because every criminal is Lex Luther and every concealed carry is Yosemite Sam.


But what if Lex conceal carries Yosemite Sam
 
2014-06-26 09:59:11 AM

LazyMedia: Chummer45: Secret Master of All Flatulence: Rhino_man: The people who AREN'T reasonable are the open carry farkwits who lose their mind and act like spoiled children when a business tells them not to carry.

Most of the "open carry farkwits" I've heard about don't go into businesses that have "no guns" signs up, they merely publicize the fact that such stores have banned them from being armed.  This upsets the stores in question, since lots of gun owners are quite willing to boycott such stores.  Hell, I STILL will not own a S&W product due to S&W's former owner's actions during the '90s.  Sure, ownership has changed hands, but if a company tries to fark with my rights by publicly fellating our common enemies, their "brand" is forever tainted, and I'm not alone in this.  Same deal with Ruger.


Yes - Smith and Wesson was definitely the equivalent of Stalin for supporting reasonable gun regulations, and should be vilified as the traitor to our god-given rights to buy Smith and Wesson products with minimal regulation that it is.

But you don't understand. They were selling TRIGGER LOCKS with all their pistols. TRIGGER LOCKS. Greatest threat to our Constitutional rights since the Alien & Sedition Acts of 1798.


The S&W trigger locks that were built into the gun, have serious design flaws that are very dangerous.
 
2014-06-26 09:59:44 AM

White_Scarf_Syndrome: HotWingConspiracy: White_Scarf_Syndrome: "OMG why do you carry a pistol in the car? With your son too??"
"You see all these homeless people on every single corner?"
"Well yeah, they need help.."
"When they are banging on my window my only option is to point it at them or pull forward into the intersection and get t-boned.  What would you do?"
"...."

Where the fark do you live?

The capital of Texas has a ridiculous homeless policy.  There are people on almost every single highway intersection begging.  Walking up and down the red lights with some sign.  Some dog or puppy they have trained.  I'm not an anti-homeless person, but it's just too much, and I don't trust them.  They are clearly mentally unstable and I have no problem carrying a pistol on my front seat when I have my son.  I have had them just completely go off for no reason other than me ignoring them, waving hi, saying sorry no cash, stopping too quickly, stopping too slowly, "almost" hitting them when they are walking in the street on an interstate highway, the list goes on and on.

But yeah, I'm supposed to just sit there and "be uncomfortable for a few minutes."

fark that.  It wears on you when it's several times a day every single day.  I like it here but there are some really really screwed up things about Austin.  Also the hipsters.  Don't even get me started.


You know, maybe you're right, but I have serious doubts. Plenty of homeless begging in the places I've lived, and they don't generally do anything close to what you're describing. It seems to me like you're greatly exaggerating.
 
2014-06-26 10:01:41 AM

Dimensio: A study of gunshot victims in Philadelphia determined that people who were carrying firearms, without any differentiation between those who carried legally and who carried illegally and without analysis of any other demographic factor apart from age, determined that people who carried firearms were more likely to be shot than those who did not.


Right.  I suspect that a question about the carrier's "occupation" might produce some interesting results, something along the lines of "I'm illegally in a gang, I illegally sell drugs, so I illegally carry a firearm."

Once again:  Correlation /= Causation.
 
2014-06-26 10:01:49 AM
If concealed carry permit holders actually stopped so many crimes, you'd think that gun fetish sites wouldn't have to make them up.  They would just link to news reports of them.  Makes you wonder why they didn't link to the local news report on this case that doesn't claim the concealed carry guy stopped the assault- he  just ran after him after he was done stabbing the clerk.
 
2014-06-26 10:03:34 AM

ThatGuyOverThere: GoldSpider: It sounds like you frequently put yourself into places/situations where you fear you may be shot at.  I wonder why that is.

Last time I faced off with people trying to kill me was in my driveway.  There was a huge storm during the day and the neighborhood lost power. So when I got home from work at about 10pm, I walked around the house looking for storm damage. When I came from the back yard in to the driveway and locked the gate behind me I started walking back to the front of my house, but I heard 2 guys yelling that they were going to kill me. They had chosen to take advantage of the blackout and the fact that all police and emergency services were busy handling traffic duty and storm issues to come kill whoever they thought I was.
They started backing me in to the corner between my house and my fence while I was trying to explain that I wasn't whoever they thought I was. They weren't listening, so I subtly unconcealed the gun on my him and grabbed it. As I was about to draw, the "back-up guy" (behind the truly angry man) must have saw what was about to happen, because he grabbed his friend by the shoulders and pulled him back, literally apologizing for the confusion and dragging his friend away.
Legally, I could have shot them both. They came on to my property, during a blackout, 2 to 1, for the stated purpose of killing me.
So are you saying I shouldn't frequent my own home?
I carry a gun because I'm not under the misunderstanding that I could rely on the police to help me in an emergency or that I might never have to face off with people trying to kill me for no reason.


You definately should have murdered them for trying to find out who was roaming around on their neighbors property during a storm. You big hero.
 
2014-06-26 10:03:47 AM

Secret Master of All Flatulence: ThatGuyOverThere: I carry a gun because I'm not under the misunderstanding that I could rely on the police to help me in an emergency or that I might never have to face off with people trying to kill me for no reason.

This OBVIOUSLY makes you a paranoid lunatic, just like those people who are CLEARLY arsonists because they choose to keep a fire extinguisher in their cars.



I have no problem with people owning guns.  What I have a problem with is America's insane gun culture that is so quick to disregard the fact that treats guns as these magical devices representing the nothing less than the embodiment of freedom and liberty, rather than what they actually are: deadly weapons that need to be regulated as such.  It's absurd that in many states people can carry a gun around without any training whatsoever.  And in most states there aren't any mandatory safe storage requirements,etc.  No other dangerous consumer product in America is given the same treatment and reverence that we give guns.

So I'm not "anti-gun."  I own five long guns and three handguns.  But I am anti gun-culture/gun lobby.  The thing that I find so disturbing about the gun culture in the US is that it is something that was relatively recently invented and perpetuated by the gun industry's lobby, which prioritizes increasing and maximizing gun sales over safety.  Their lobbying record is proof of that.  But most gun nuts I talk to have no awareness of that fact, or are just willfully blind to it.  Instead of acknowledging that our gun laws need to be tightened up, they just go on talking about how any increased regulation is nothing less than a ploy by liberal gun grabbers who are going to get us all killed by disarming us.
 
2014-06-26 10:04:08 AM
Guns are a liability to any business.
 
2014-06-26 10:04:38 AM

mschwenk: LazyMedia: Chummer45: Secret Master of All Flatulence: Rhino_man: The people who AREN'T reasonable are the open carry farkwits who lose their mind and act like spoiled children when a business tells them not to carry.

Most of the "open carry farkwits" I've heard about don't go into businesses that have "no guns" signs up, they merely publicize the fact that such stores have banned them from being armed.  This upsets the stores in question, since lots of gun owners are quite willing to boycott such stores.  Hell, I STILL will not own a S&W product due to S&W's former owner's actions during the '90s.  Sure, ownership has changed hands, but if a company tries to fark with my rights by publicly fellating our common enemies, their "brand" is forever tainted, and I'm not alone in this.  Same deal with Ruger.


Yes - Smith and Wesson was definitely the equivalent of Stalin for supporting reasonable gun regulations, and should be vilified as the traitor to our god-given rights to buy Smith and Wesson products with minimal regulation that it is.

But you don't understand. They were selling TRIGGER LOCKS with all their pistols. TRIGGER LOCKS. Greatest threat to our Constitutional rights since the Alien & Sedition Acts of 1798.

The S&W trigger locks that were built into the gun, have serious design flaws that are very dangerous.



Yes - countless people were killed by those trigger locks as opposed to the guns themselves - right?
 
2014-06-26 10:05:40 AM

cwolf20: trevzie: Ah, this thread again. I thought it was impossible for civilian to stop a crime, because every criminal is Lex Luther and every concealed carry is Yosemite Sam.

But what if Lex conceal carries Yosemite Sam


Duh,

Lex open carries Yosemitie Sam.

Smacking forehead.
 
2014-06-26 10:06:24 AM
So far in this thread:
Being assaulted daily in your car by gangs of homeless people.
A power outage turns your neighbors into wandering mindless murderers.
Constant daily events that necessitate the need for a gun.

I would say, if you live in places like that, your #1 priority isn't to get a gun.
Your #1 priority should be to move the hell away.
 
2014-06-26 10:06:45 AM

TheGregiss: ThatGuyOverThere: GoldSpider: It sounds like you frequently put yourself into places/situations where you fear you may be shot at.  I wonder why that is.

Last time I faced off with people trying to kill me was in my driveway.  There was a huge storm during the day and the neighborhood lost power. So when I got home from work at about 10pm, I walked around the house looking for storm damage. When I came from the back yard in to the driveway and locked the gate behind me I started walking back to the front of my house, but I heard 2 guys yelling that they were going to kill me. They had chosen to take advantage of the blackout and the fact that all police and emergency services were busy handling traffic duty and storm issues to come kill whoever they thought I was.
They started backing me in to the corner between my house and my fence while I was trying to explain that I wasn't whoever they thought I was. They weren't listening, so I subtly unconcealed the gun on my him and grabbed it. As I was about to draw, the "back-up guy" (behind the truly angry man) must have saw what was about to happen, because he grabbed his friend by the shoulders and pulled him back, literally apologizing for the confusion and dragging his friend away.
Legally, I could have shot them both. They came on to my property, during a blackout, 2 to 1, for the stated purpose of killing me.
So are you saying I shouldn't frequent my own home?
I carry a gun because I'm not under the misunderstanding that I could rely on the police to help me in an emergency or that I might never have to face off with people trying to kill me for no reason.

You definately should have murdered them for trying to find out who was roaming around on their neighbors property during a storm. You big hero.


I was unaware that you were a witness to the confrontation. Please explain what actually happened, based upon your direct observations, and contrast it to the account above.
 
2014-06-26 10:06:49 AM
Stay calm and conceal carry Batman

i.imgur.com
 
2014-06-26 10:07:01 AM

TheGregiss: ThatGuyOverThere: GoldSpider: It sounds like you frequently put yourself into places/situations where you fear you may be shot at.  I wonder why that is.

Last time I faced off with people trying to kill me was in my driveway.  There was a huge storm during the day and the neighborhood lost power. So when I got home from work at about 10pm, I walked around the house looking for storm damage. When I came from the back yard in to the driveway and locked the gate behind me I started walking back to the front of my house, but I heard 2 guys yelling that they were going to kill me. They had chosen to take advantage of the blackout and the fact that all police and emergency services were busy handling traffic duty and storm issues to come kill whoever they thought I was.
They started backing me in to the corner between my house and my fence while I was trying to explain that I wasn't whoever they thought I was. They weren't listening, so I subtly unconcealed the gun on my him and grabbed it. As I was about to draw, the "back-up guy" (behind the truly angry man) must have saw what was about to happen, because he grabbed his friend by the shoulders and pulled him back, literally apologizing for the confusion and dragging his friend away.
Legally, I could have shot them both. They came on to my property, during a blackout, 2 to 1, for the stated purpose of killing me.
So are you saying I shouldn't frequent my own home?
I carry a gun because I'm not under the misunderstanding that I could rely on the police to help me in an emergency or that I might never have to face off with people trying to kill me for no reason.

You definately should have murdered them for trying to find out who was roaming around on their neighbors property during a storm. You big hero.



So two guys suddenly became homicidal maniacs determined to murder a random stranger for no reason whatsoever, but then totally came to their senses when they realized you had a gun?    I sense a whiff of bullshiat in the air.
 
2014-06-26 10:07:17 AM

TheNewJesus: Guns are a liability to any business.


Even gun stores?
 
2014-06-26 10:08:25 AM

s2s2s2: TheNewJesus: Guns are a liability to any business.

Even gun stores?



Fun fact:  many gun stores and gun shows don't allow concealed or open carry of loaded guns.
 
2014-06-26 10:08:37 AM

stonicus: Your #1 priority should be to move the hell away.


Just as easily done as said!
 
2014-06-26 10:09:14 AM

rooftop235: Sounds like a move by the upper management. I'll bet the manager who got stabbed would rather have that sign down. But then again, maybe it is a good idea because the gun totin' zealots might pop out of the woodwork.


Yeah, I suspect the incident made management realize the signs weren't up.

feckingmorons: Businesses are free to make any rules regarding guns they wish. There are always other options for me.


Around here I"m not aware of a major grocery store without a no-guns sign.

abhorrent1: It's concealed. How would they know? And even if they did find out, other than kick you out what can they do? Could you be arrested? I mean, it's a store policy not a law.


Around here you certainly can be arrested.  The no-guns sign makes it into an area that concealed carry is not permitted.
 
2014-06-26 10:09:16 AM
One time guys, this guy came slowly stalking down my street, every few minutes he would stop and fumble for something in his car before moving on. There were kids out playing and this guy kept creeping on. I decided that I had to act, it was my life or this creeps. Better to be judged by twelve than carried by six! As I loaded up with my sig, I crawled prone to the edge of my yard and I could see the creep drawing closer now. He just opened the neighbors mailbox and put something in it! Its gotta be a mail fraud criminal! As he pulled up to my house I tensed, gripping my cold hard justice, finger slipping into the trigger guard when I realised that it was just a post office truck and that I'm an idiot. But he couldve been a mail fraud terrorist! We have to be armed to the teeth at all times.
 
2014-06-26 10:09:42 AM

Chummer45: Fun fact:  many gun stores and gun shows don't allow concealed or open carry of loaded guns.


Well then, I'm sure their business could only benefit from having no guns on premises at any time!
 
2014-06-26 10:11:33 AM
I don't care about your gun debate either way.   All in all a crappy article without nearly enough information.  I'd have gone with a "no weapons for disgruntled ex employees" sign.

Carry on with your entrenched spewing of opinions and information at each other.
 
2014-06-26 10:11:58 AM

stan unusual: If concealed carry permit holders actually stopped so many crimes, you'd think that gun fetish sites wouldn't have to make them up.  They would just link to news reports of them.  Makes you wonder why they didn't link to the local news report on this case that doesn't claim the concealed carry guy stopped the assault- he  just ran after him after he was done stabbing the clerk.


You're acting as if someone wrote N***** or F****** on the receipt and didn't tip the waitress.

You can always email the reporter at WDAM and ask him if the CCW holder shouted at the perp and the perp started running or if the CCW holder opened a bag of chips and some dip and watched the perp stab the manager.
 
2014-06-26 10:12:39 AM
Dimensio:

I was unaware that you were a witness to the confrontation. Please explain what actually happened, based upon your direct observations, and contrast it to the account above.


Sure thing. I was there just as much as his story doesnt reak of bullshiat. He's an idiot, and a liar. Now what?
 
2014-06-26 10:14:33 AM

s2s2s2: stonicus: Your #1 priority should be to move the hell away.

Just as easily done as said!


If it ain't easy, then fark it, right?  Easy way out or none at all... Hard work and effort is for idiots...

If people feel that threatened, and are literally being attacked on a daily basis by homeless people and have neighbors that actually try to murder you when it rains, then I have zero sympathy for those people if they don't make every effort to move away.  It's like someone who lives in a garbage dump and hates the smell, but instead of moving, he just buys a can of Febreeze.  The person above said they point their gun at homeless people when his son is in the car.  If they want to protect their son, don't get a gun, move and stop exposing them to these rabid packs of lawless homelessness.
 
2014-06-26 10:15:27 AM

Elzar: Ima let you gun nuts finish jacking, but what if you are seated with your family at your fave Chick-fil-a and 5 black men open the door and walk in with AK-47s. Do you:
A) Flip over the table and start trading shots
B) shrug your shoulders and begrudge them their god givn rights to open carry
C) slink out the back while speed dialing the po po


Black men at a Chik-Fil-A instead of at a Church's or Popeye's? shiat, son, regardless of what they're armed with, you know they're there to rob that cracka ass juke!
 
2014-06-26 10:15:50 AM

stonicus: s2s2s2: stonicus: Your #1 priority should be to move the hell away.

Just as easily done as said!

If it ain't easy, then fark it, right?  Easy way out or none at all... Hard work and effort is for idiots...

If people feel that threatened, and are literally being attacked on a daily basis by homeless people and have neighbors that actually try to murder you when it rains, then I have zero sympathy for those people if they don't make every effort to move away.  It's like someone who lives in a garbage dump and hates the smell, but instead of moving, he just buys a can of Febreeze.  The person above said they point their gun at homeless people when his son is in the car.  If they want to protect their son, don't get a gun, move and stop exposing them to these rabid packs of lawless homelessness.


Plus the homeless people are probably out of work.

They can and should just find a job.

eezy peezy
 
2014-06-26 10:16:02 AM

onyxruby: dookdookdook: Fair enough. How about we agree to begin by restricting gun ownership for psychotics, sociopaths, and admitted tea partiers

If someone is crazy enough they shouldn't have a gun than they are crazy enough to be locked in a mental ward as representing a danger to themselves or others. I'm no tea party sympathizer, but the idea of restricting rights based on political party affiliation strikes me as a very nazi liberal-like attitude.

 
2014-06-26 10:16:33 AM

Rhino_man: The businesses are free to decide whether or not to allow guns


Actually no they aren't, did you notice the big CHEVRON logo in the first picture? Lawyers and Insurance Underwriters decide what the business is allowed to do. They make a demand and you bow down and say "Yes Master" or you go out of business.

But on a lighter note: Spend a day at the range with an instructor, learn a little bit about the law and shoot a few targets, pay a few bucks for the little red sticker on the back of your permit and those stupid little "ROB ME" signs become mere suggestions for the normal honest person just like they are for criminals and lunatics.

dualplains: Tricky Chicken: dookdookdook: Man with a gun shoots a criminal: Absolute justification for unrestricted global access to firearms.

Man Known lunatic with access to a legally purchased gun that no proposed restrictions would have made illegal shoots 20 5 year olds: Random isolated incident.

Just a little clarification.  You can insert the 'person with documented mental problems' into almost all the mass shootings, but guns are the problem not neglecting mentally ill people.

Almost all.  But you can insert the 'guns' into ALL the 'mass shootings', so, yeah.  Guns are the problem.

/Why is this math so hard?


Because you try too hard to massage the language to arrive at a predetermined result. The school massacre that claimed the most lives involved fire and bombs, no Guns. The largest Terrorist Attack in the US involved Airplanes and knives, no Guns. The Boston Marathon, bomb (stolen gun after the attack).

So yeah, I suspect that every "shooting" involves a gun,
and liquids are involved in every drowning
and vehicles are involved in every vehicular accident
and fire and smoke are involved in every arson
and every snake bite involved a snake
andevery bear attack involved a bear.


Since there are more guns in the US than there are people and we still manage to have a population I suspect that most people who own them know how to properly and safely own and use them. Except for a few Liberal Utopias, both violent crime (with and without a gun) and firearms related accidents have decreased to the lowest level in decades according to both the DOJ and the FBI despite the Liberalization of gun laws across the country.
 
2014-06-26 10:16:47 AM

Elzar: Ima let you gun nuts finish jacking, but what if you are seated with your family at your fave Chick-fil-a and 5 black men open the door and walk in with AK-47s. Do you:
A) Flip over the table and start trading shots
B) shrug your shoulders and begrudge them their god givn rights to open carry
C) slink out the back while speed dialing the po po


I would probably try to exit the store and, failing that, find cover.
 
2014-06-26 10:17:54 AM

Geoff Peterson: White_Scarf_Syndrome: HotWingConspiracy: White_Scarf_Syndrome: "OMG why do you carry a pistol in the car? With your son too??"
"You see all these homeless people on every single corner?"
"Well yeah, they need help.."
"When they are banging on my window my only option is to point it at them or pull forward into the intersection and get t-boned.  What would you do?"
"...."

Where the fark do you live?

The capital of Texas has a ridiculous homeless policy.  There are people on almost every single highway intersection begging.  Walking up and down the red lights with some sign.  Some dog or puppy they have trained.  I'm not an anti-homeless person, but it's just too much, and I don't trust them.  They are clearly mentally unstable and I have no problem carrying a pistol on my front seat when I have my son.  I have had them just completely go off for no reason other than me ignoring them, waving hi, saying sorry no cash, stopping too quickly, stopping too slowly, "almost" hitting them when they are walking in the street on an interstate highway, the list goes on and on.

But yeah, I'm supposed to just sit there and "be uncomfortable for a few minutes."

fark that.  It wears on you when it's several times a day every single day.  I like it here but there are some really really screwed up things about Austin.  Also the hipsters.  Don't even get me started.

I deal with those guys too here in Houston. Never had anything even remotely like that happen to me. I doubt you have either.


Yeah I'm making it up. You got me.
 
2014-06-26 10:18:19 AM

Chummer45: s2s2s2: TheNewJesus: Guns are a liability to any business.

Even gun stores?


Fun fact:  many gun stores and gun shows don't allow concealed or open carry of loaded guns.


Citation needed
 
2014-06-26 10:19:35 AM

Giltric: stonicus: s2s2s2: stonicus: Your #1 priority should be to move the hell away.

Just as easily done as said!

If it ain't easy, then fark it, right?  Easy way out or none at all... Hard work and effort is for idiots...

If people feel that threatened, and are literally being attacked on a daily basis by homeless people and have neighbors that actually try to murder you when it rains, then I have zero sympathy for those people if they don't make every effort to move away.  It's like someone who lives in a garbage dump and hates the smell, but instead of moving, he just buys a can of Febreeze.  The person above said they point their gun at homeless people when his son is in the car.  If they want to protect their son, don't get a gun, move and stop exposing them to these rabid packs of lawless homelessness.

Plus the homeless people are probably out of work.

They can and should just find a job.

eezy peezy


I agree, they should try... I know most are mentally ill, but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't try.  But in the meantime, until they do, you could put yourself at the same level and capacity as a homeless person (if they don't do it, then why do I have to), or you could protect yourself and your family by finding a safer place to live.

It's your choice.
 
2014-06-26 10:19:41 AM

WTFDYW: Zeb Hesselgresser: FreakyBunny:  Cheney and Bush broke international law and as a consequence over 100,000 people were killed.

The Iraq Resolution a/k/a The Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 passed  the Senate 77 - 23 and House 297 - 133.  Just shy of 60% of Democrat Senators voted for it.

Oh snap

/LOL


Yes indeedy. These people forget Hillary & the rest of the Dems getting up and making speeches about how we had to remove Saddam. Intellectually dim and chonically dishonest - your average liberal Democrat.
 
2014-06-26 10:21:59 AM

White_Scarf_Syndrome: Geoff Peterson: White_Scarf_Syndrome: HotWingConspiracy: White_Scarf_Syndrome: "OMG why do you carry a pistol in the car? With your son too??"
"You see all these homeless people on every single corner?"
"Well yeah, they need help.."
"When they are banging on my window my only option is to point it at them or pull forward into the intersection and get t-boned.  What would you do?"
"...."

Where the fark do you live?

The capital of Texas has a ridiculous homeless policy.  There are people on almost every single highway intersection begging.  Walking up and down the red lights with some sign.  Some dog or puppy they have trained.  I'm not an anti-homeless person, but it's just too much, and I don't trust them.  They are clearly mentally unstable and I have no problem carrying a pistol on my front seat when I have my son.  I have had them just completely go off for no reason other than me ignoring them, waving hi, saying sorry no cash, stopping too quickly, stopping too slowly, "almost" hitting them when they are walking in the street on an interstate highway, the list goes on and on.

But yeah, I'm supposed to just sit there and "be uncomfortable for a few minutes."

fark that.  It wears on you when it's several times a day every single day.  I like it here but there are some really really screwed up things about Austin.  Also the hipsters.  Don't even get me started.

I deal with those guys too here in Houston. Never had anything even remotely like that happen to me. I doubt you have either.

Yeah I'm making it up. You got me.


Since it happens several times a day, every single day, could you please take us some pics or video of homeless people attacking your car and banging on your windows asking for money?  Not even in a "ha, prove it!" way, more of a "I think that'd be a funny video to watch" way.
 
2014-06-26 10:22:59 AM
Chummer45:  But I am anti gun-culture/gun lobby.  The thing that I find so disturbing about the gun culture in the US is that it is something that was relatively recently invented and perpetuated by the gun industry's lobby, which prioritizes increasing and maximizing gun sales over safety.  Their lobbying record is proof of that.  But most gun nuts I talk to have no awareness of that fact, or are just willfully blind to it.  Instead of acknowledging that our gun laws need to be tightened up, they just go on talking about how any increased regulation is nothing less than a ploy by liberal gun grabbers who are going to get us all killed by disarming us.

You DO understand that no matter how great the restrictions placed on our Second Amendment rights, the anti-gun lobby will not be satisfied until all guns are banned, period, right?  We're talking BEYOND an Australian-style "turn them all in" type of gun control law. And while you seem to assume that the indignation against "tightening up" our gun laws is merely a result of the "gun industry's lobby", you're missing one "minor" fact...the NRA's political clout doesn't come from gun manufacturers, it comes from the fact that millions of Americans are "single issue voters" on the gun control issue.

Your position reminds me of this quote:

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out-
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out-
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me-and there was no one left to speak for me."

With that in mind:  Fark you, Buddy...I don't care how many guns you own.  Your hypocrisy makes you worse than the hard-core "guns are evil, period, and nobody who isn't a government employee should ever have access to them" folks.  THEY at least have the balls to live up to their ideals and actually live with all of the implications of their position.
 
2014-06-26 10:23:41 AM

Secret Master of All Flatulence: ThatGuyOverThere: I carry a gun because I'm not under the misunderstanding that I could rely on the police to help me in an emergency or that I might never have to face off with people trying to kill me for no reason.

This OBVIOUSLY makes you a paranoid lunatic, just like those people who are CLEARLY arsonists because they choose to keep a fire extinguisher in their cars.


Keeping a knife is like keeping a fire extinguisher.  Keeping a gun is like keeping a fire hydrant and full-length hose.
 
2014-06-26 10:26:03 AM

Frank N Stein: Chummer45: s2s2s2: TheNewJesus: Guns are a liability to any business.

Even gun stores?


Fun fact:  many gun stores and gun shows don't allow concealed or open carry of loaded guns.

Citation needed


If anyone thought to take pictures they'd have it.  The only one I know of personally I went to with my father while he was buying more shooting range ammunition.  He chose to take his pistol with him since he needed a new holster as well.

The person at the table outside of the entrance checked to see if he had any rounds first. He didn't. I watched him unload and place the rounds in a case in his trunk.  Then they used ties to block the trigger from pulling back far enough so that if somehow a round was missed, it wouldn't fire. They do the same thing with bigger weapons
 
2014-06-26 10:26:50 AM

Chummer45: mschwenk: LazyMedia: Chummer45: Secret Master of All Flatulence: Rhino_man: The people who AREN'T reasonable are the open carry farkwits who lose their mind and act like spoiled children when a business tells them not to carry.

Most of the "open carry farkwits" I've heard about don't go into businesses that have "no guns" signs up, they merely publicize the fact that such stores have banned them from being armed.  This upsets the stores in question, since lots of gun owners are quite willing to boycott such stores.  Hell, I STILL will not own a S&W product due to S&W's former owner's actions during the '90s.  Sure, ownership has changed hands, but if a company tries to fark with my rights by publicly fellating our common enemies, their "brand" is forever tainted, and I'm not alone in this.  Same deal with Ruger.


Yes - Smith and Wesson was definitely the equivalent of Stalin for supporting reasonable gun regulations, and should be vilified as the traitor to our god-given rights to buy Smith and Wesson products with minimal regulation that it is.

But you don't understand. They were selling TRIGGER LOCKS with all their pistols. TRIGGER LOCKS. Greatest threat to our Constitutional rights since the Alien & Sedition Acts of 1798.

The S&W trigger locks that were built into the gun, have serious design flaws that are very dangerous.


Yes - countless people were killed by those trigger locks as opposed to the guns themselves - right?


So the guns jumped up and killed people?
 
2014-06-26 10:26:57 AM

Frank N Stein: Chummer45: s2s2s2: TheNewJesus: Guns are a liability to any business.

Even gun stores?


Fun fact:  many gun stores and gun shows don't allow concealed or open carry of loaded guns.

Citation needed


But that's a gun show.  No idea about gun stores
 
2014-06-26 10:28:14 AM

moeburn: Keeping a knife is like keeping a fire extinguisher.  Keeping a gun is like keeping a fire hydrant and full-length hose.


Do you know how to tell who won a knife fight?  It's the person who bled to death last.  Knives are handy if you want to cut something, like a piece of twine or an apple.  They suck as a tool for self-defense.  This is why cops are generally required to carry a handgun, but not required to carry a knife.
 
2014-06-26 10:30:20 AM

rooftop235: Sounds like a move by the upper management. I'll bet the manager who got stabbed would rather have that sign down. But then again, maybe it is a good idea because the gun totin' zealots might pop out of the woodwork.


It sounds to me like there was a hit out on the manager and the owner doesn't want it to get f'd up again like last time...
 
2014-06-26 10:30:46 AM

Secret Master of All Flatulence: Chummer45:  But I am anti gun-culture/gun lobby.  The thing that I find so disturbing about the gun culture in the US is that it is something that was relatively recently invented and perpetuated by the gun industry's lobby, which prioritizes increasing and maximizing gun sales over safety.  Their lobbying record is proof of that.  But most gun nuts I talk to have no awareness of that fact, or are just willfully blind to it.  Instead of acknowledging that our gun laws need to be tightened up, they just go on talking about how any increased regulation is nothing less than a ploy by liberal gun grabbers who are going to get us all killed by disarming us.

You DO understand that no matter how great the restrictions placed on our Second Amendment rights, the anti-gun lobby will not be satisfied until all guns are banned, period, right?  We're talking BEYOND an Australian-style "turn them all in" type of gun control law. And while you seem to assume that the indignation against "tightening up" our gun laws is merely a result of the "gun industry's lobby", you're missing one "minor" fact...the NRA's political clout doesn't come from gun manufacturers, it comes from the fact that millions of Americans are "single issue voters" on the gun control issue.

Your position reminds me of this quote:

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out-
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out-
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me-and there was no one left to speak for me."

With that in mind:  Fark you, Buddy...I don't care how many guns you own.  Your hypocrisy makes you worse than the hard-core "guns are evil, period, and nobody who isn't a government employee should ever have access to them" folks.  THEY at least have the balls to live up to their ideals and actually live with all of the implications of their positio ...


So just to sum this up;

Safe storage laws == disarming the populace
Mandatory safety course == disarming the populace
background check == disarming the populace

Somebody should probably tell my government that because we have safe storage laws, mandatory safety courses, and background checks and yet somebody forgot to come take away my guns!

In other words, don't be stupid.
 
2014-06-26 10:32:12 AM

stonicus: Since it happens several times a day, every single day, could you please take us some pics or video of homeless people attacking your car and banging on your windows asking for money? Not even in a "ha, prove it!" way, more of a "I think that'd be a funny video to watch" way.


If I am afraid of homeless people near my car, I would also be afraid that taking their picture may be percieved as a hostile act that would provoke them.

I can't hold his not having photographic evidence against him.
 
2014-06-26 10:32:16 AM

Chummer45: I have no problem with people owning guns.  What I have a problem with is America's insane gun culture that is so quick to disregard the fact that treats guns as these magical devices representing the nothing less than the embodiment of freedom and liberty, rather than what they actually are: deadly weapons that need to be regulated as such.  It's absurd that in many states people can carry a gun around without any training whatsoever.  And in most states there aren't any mandatory safe storage requirements,etc.  No other dangerous consumer product in America is given the same treatment and reverence that we give guns.


Everyone keeps saying "we need this, we need that", but the devil's in the details. What mandatory safe storage requirement? Is that going to apply to a cop working on a mob case? How about a battered wife in a single floor apartment? When I leave my 50 cal out in pieces on the kitchen table, but the bolt's in the safe, does that count?

Fix the federal government, then us gun nuts will have a little more faith. Right now, when Rahinah Ibrahim has to fight for 9 years to get off the no-fly list, and we find out the administration was using state secrets to cover up their bureaucratic error, I don't have any interest in the same people regulating my gun purchases or ownership.
 
2014-06-26 10:33:53 AM

Egoy3k: So just to sum this up;

Safe storage laws == disarming the populace
Mandatory safety course == disarming the populace
background check == disarming the populace

Somebody should probably tell my government that because we have safe storage laws, mandatory safety courses, and background checks and yet somebody forgot to come take away my guns!

In other words, don't be stupid.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWucDHAphQ8
 
2014-06-26 10:35:03 AM

Secret Master of All Flatulence: moeburn: Keeping a knife is like keeping a fire extinguisher.  Keeping a gun is like keeping a fire hydrant and full-length hose.

Do you know how to tell who won a knife fight?  It's the person who bled to death last.  Knives are handy if you want to cut something, like a piece of twine or an apple.  They suck as a tool for self-defense.  This is why cops are generally required to carry a handgun, but not required to carry a knife.


On the other hand.  


Found this out from a person who works front security at concerts etc.  She's one of the ones who climbs the fence and tackles the people who try and break the line by going over. Or in her words "If you're one of them, and see me standing on top of the fence. Lay down. I'm heavy, athletic, and I will belly flop mid air onto you."

After that sidetrack, my initial point:  

Drawing her tazer requires 8 different reports filled out.  Using it requires 12 and a 30 minute conversation with the supervisor.  
Baton requires 4.  6 if she has to use it, and a 15 minute conversation with her supervisor.

Her person side carry blade which, while not as big as Crocodile Dundee's, is a scary bastard still.:  No paperwork, and free triple rounds of her favorite alcoholic beverage from her boss at her favorite bar.  Four if she's forced to draw blood
 
2014-06-26 10:35:35 AM

Secret Master of All Flatulence: moeburn: Keeping a knife is like keeping a fire extinguisher.  Keeping a gun is like keeping a fire hydrant and full-length hose.

Do you know how to tell who won a knife fight?  It's the person who bled to death last.  Knives are handy if you want to cut something, like a piece of twine or an apple.  They suck as a tool for self-defense.  This is why cops are generally required to carry a handgun, but not required to carry a knife.


Allright then, pepper spray, or a tazer.
 
2014-06-26 10:37:29 AM

moeburn: Secret Master of All Flatulence: moeburn: Keeping a knife is like keeping a fire extinguisher.  Keeping a gun is like keeping a fire hydrant and full-length hose.

Do you know how to tell who won a knife fight?  It's the person who bled to death last.  Knives are handy if you want to cut something, like a piece of twine or an apple.  They suck as a tool for self-defense.  This is why cops are generally required to carry a handgun, but not required to carry a knife.

Allright then, pepper spray, or a tazer.


Neither stop drugged up perps.
 
2014-06-26 10:38:33 AM

ZeroPly: Everyone keeps saying "we need this, we need that", but the devil's in the details. What mandatory safe storage requirement? Is that going to apply to a cop working on a mob case? How about a battered wife in a single floor apartment? When I leave my 50 cal out in pieces on the kitchen table, but the bolt's in the safe, does that count?


Well around here safe storage laws only apply when you are securing an unsupervised firearm so in the first two cases the law doesn't apply and if the gun cannot fire (through removal of the bolt or securing the trigger with a lock or even running a locked cable through the action or whatever) then it is perfectly legal to display it openly which would include being in parts on the table while the bolt is locked up.
 
2014-06-26 10:38:39 AM

onyxruby: dookdookdook: Fair enough. How about we agree to begin by restricting gun ownership for psychotics, sociopaths, and admitted tea partiers

If someone is crazy enough they shouldn't have a gun than they are crazy enough to be locked in a mental ward as representing a danger to themselves or others. I'm no tea party sympathizer, but the idea of restricting rights based on political party affiliation strikes me as a very nazi like attitude.


Well, considering Tea Party members have demonstrated time and again that they are a danger to the public (good), I'd say it's pretty reasonable to restrict their access on the merits of mental illness.
 
2014-06-26 10:39:09 AM

Dimensio: trevzie: Dimensio: ko_kyi: To paraphrase another Farker, guns are tools of murder, pure and simple, and as such only belong in the hands of the government.

My actual statement is that deadly semi-automatic assault weapons are tools of murder that should only be possessed by law enforcement agents.

Conventional firearms without assault weapon features may be owned by civilians, provided that they undergo an extensive six-month minimum application process with arbitrary criteria for approval or rejection.

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ar·bi·trary adjective \ˈär-bə-ˌtrer-ē, -ˌtre-rē\


1

a: depending on individual discretion (as of a judge) and not fixed by law


2

a : not restrained or limited in the exercise of power : ruling by absolute authority
b : marked by or resulting from the unrestrained and often tyrannical exercise of power


3

a : based on or determined by individual preference or convenience rather than by necessity or the intrinsic nature of something
b : existing or coming about seemingly at random or by chance or as a capricious and unreasonable act of will



So you want to set criteria for the gun application process, and you want to base it on individual discretion (of the seller?) and not set by law?

Arbitrary basically means random or at a whim, and is basically the opposite of what you want for the criteria of an application process.
 
2014-06-26 10:40:06 AM

Dog Welder: I of course called Keith's Superstore in Lumberton, MS to find out what their logic was. Long story short, they were quite rude, and refused to answer any questions pertaining to this incident. Perhaps I should've asked why they didn't post a "No Knives" sign!

Yes, I'm sure he asked his questions in a non-rude manner.  That whole article is dripping with assholeishness.


The story aside, that guys blogging is awful.

/glad the ccw guy stopped the stabbing
//the store can put the sign up. Its their property.
 
2014-06-26 10:40:23 AM
Let's see, someone has decided to use a firearm to rob a store. He knows its a felony but has decided to do it, anyway.

He gets to the store. There's now a SIGN on it. The piece of cardboard has text on it that says that firearms are not permitted in the store.

Will the person who has already chosen to commit felonies while using a firearm...

A) Shrug his shoulders, say, "Aw, shucks and darn!" and then turn back, having been completely defeated by the Magical Pixie Sign

or

B) Ignore or even laugh at the sign while he doesn't even break stride entering the store to commit his felony with a firearm

?

Which will happen?
 
2014-06-26 10:41:28 AM
Things I "learned" from Fark: multiple firearms companies are anti-gun.
 
2014-06-26 10:41:58 AM
I think my post didn't go through...

To be clear, I was accosted once by some guy. I never pointed the gun at him. I reached and he backed off.

So, now I should feel bad about carrying and not trusting any of these people?

Raving bands of homeless. Right. Because that's what I meant.
 
2014-06-26 10:43:43 AM

moeburn: Secret Master of All Flatulence: ThatGuyOverThere: I carry a gun because I'm not under the misunderstanding that I could rely on the police to help me in an emergency or that I might never have to face off with people trying to kill me for no reason.

This OBVIOUSLY makes you a paranoid lunatic, just like those people who are CLEARLY arsonists because they choose to keep a fire extinguisher in their cars.

Keeping a knife is like keeping a fire extinguisher.  Keeping a gun is like keeping a fire hydrant and full-length hose.


Not really. Knives are terrible for self defense.
 
2014-06-26 10:45:25 AM

Silly_Sot: Let's see, someone has decided to use a firearm to rob a store. He knows its a felony but has decided to do it, anyway.

He gets to the store. There's now a SIGN on it. The piece of cardboard has text on it that says that firearms are not permitted in the store.

Will the person who has already chosen to commit felonies while using a firearm...

A) Shrug his shoulders, say, "Aw, shucks and darn!" and then turn back, having been completely defeated by the Magical Pixie Sign

or

B) Ignore or even laugh at the sign while he doesn't even break stride entering the store to commit his felony with a firearm

?

Which will happen?


I agree completely. Which is why we also shouldn't have a law against robbery to begin with. Clearly it doesn't work.

You're so smart.
 
2014-06-26 10:46:17 AM

Silly_Sot: Let's see, someone has decided to use a firearm to rob a store. He knows its a felony but has decided to do it, anyway.

He gets to the store. There's now a SIGN on it. The piece of cardboard has text on it that says that firearms are not permitted in the store.

Will the person who has already chosen to commit felonies while using a firearm...

A) Shrug his shoulders, say, "Aw, shucks and darn!" and then turn back, having been completely defeated by the Magical Pixie Sign

or

B) Ignore or even laugh at the sign while he doesn't even break stride entering the store to commit his felony with a firearm

?

Which will happen?


Gun bans are not intended to stop robberies and nobody thinks that they are.  They are intended to prevent liability from falling on the property owner when an angry old fart shoots someone for texting in a theater or some clumsy jackass accidentally shoots someone.  So in other words the gun bans are not caused by 'gun grabbers' but by a few irresponsible gun owners creating risks that could financially impact a business.
 
2014-06-26 10:46:47 AM
But go ahead and paint me as some paranoid nut job.

You get accosted once in a vulnerable spot like a red light with your kid, you do something about it.

Or you can just sit and be uncomfortable. Moving isn't an option. I like it here. But I'm being painted as some nut job because of ONE incident in which I acted rationally to some dick banging on my car with my kid inside.

Whatever.
 
2014-06-26 10:47:33 AM

cwolf20: Secret Master of All Flatulence: moeburn: Keeping a knife is like keeping a fire extinguisher.  Keeping a gun is like keeping a fire hydrant and full-length hose.

Do you know how to tell who won a knife fight?  It's the person who bled to death last.  Knives are handy if you want to cut something, like a piece of twine or an apple.  They suck as a tool for self-defense.  This is why cops are generally required to carry a handgun, but not required to carry a knife.

On the other hand.  


Found this out from a person who works front security at concerts etc.  She's one of the ones who climbs the fence and tackles the people who try and break the line by going over. Or in her words "If you're one of them, and see me standing on top of the fence. Lay down. I'm heavy, athletic, and I will belly flop mid air onto you."

After that sidetrack, my initial point:  

Drawing her tazer requires 8 different reports filled out.  Using it requires 12 and a 30 minute conversation with the supervisor.  
Baton requires 4.  6 if she has to use it, and a 15 minute conversation with her supervisor.

Her person side carry blade which, while not as big as Crocodile Dundee's, is a scary bastard still.:  No paperwork, and free triple rounds of her favorite alcoholic beverage from her boss at her favorite bar.  Four if she's forced to draw blood


Her company is sailing right for the port of lawsuit.
 
2014-06-26 10:52:20 AM
Welp...the NRA came. That's the important thing.
 
2014-06-26 10:52:47 AM

Tricky Chicken: GoldSpider: feckingmorons: I guess I'm a gun totin' zealot, but if I'm ever shot at again I want to be able to shoot back.

It sounds like you frequently put yourself into places/situations where you fear you may be shot at.  I wonder why that is.

I was getting shot at in a 'secure' federal building in Washington DC a few months ago. The reason I frequent there is to get a paycheck.

This was also an act of an untreated mentally ill person.  If he were treated appropriately, he would still be alive, and so would several of my co-workers and friends. But of course, this is all just because guns are bad.


Just because a person in PRESCRIBED the correct meds does not mean they actually have to take them.  Treatmrnt is important, but te prime problem is the over-proliferation and uncontrolled access to guns.
 
2014-06-26 10:56:06 AM

reillan: Noam Chimpsky: Do armed robbers even no how to read?

Are you an armed robber?


He said read, not write.
 
2014-06-26 10:58:03 AM

White_Scarf_Syndrome: But go ahead and paint me as some paranoid nut job.

You get accosted once in a vulnerable spot like a red light with your kid, you do something about it.

Or you can just sit and be uncomfortable. Moving isn't an option. I like it here. But I'm being painted as some nut job because of ONE incident in which I acted rationally to some dick banging on my car with my kid inside.

Whatever.


No, you're being painted as a nut job for not being able to defend yourself without a gun. If you aren't Bruce Lee (and I mean the imaginary Bruce Lee that could beat up a hundred armed attackers without breaking a sweat, not the real life Bruce Lee that told everyone who asked what would happen if he took on a guy with a gun in real life, "I would be shot dead") then you are a disgusting loser omega male who really should be eliminated for the good of modern society.

/funny thing is, even the people who complain about other people being "worthless without a gun" are, themselves, worthless without a gun
//their solution to being attacked is to call the police (people with guns) and let them handle it
 
2014-06-26 10:58:17 AM

mschwenk: moeburn: Secret Master of All Flatulence: ThatGuyOverThere: I carry a gun because I'm not under the misunderstanding that I could rely on the police to help me in an emergency or that I might never have to face off with people trying to kill me for no reason.

This OBVIOUSLY makes you a paranoid lunatic, just like those people who are CLEARLY arsonists because they choose to keep a fire extinguisher in their cars.

Keeping a knife is like keeping a fire extinguisher.  Keeping a gun is like keeping a fire hydrant and full-length hose.

Not really. Knives are terrible for self defense.


Maybe in some kind of West Side Story knife duel, but in the real world, where you don't posture with it, knives are really awesome at close-in attacks.

You just need to be willing to take a cut on the blocking arm.
 
2014-06-26 10:58:51 AM

Chummer45: So two guys suddenly became homicidal maniacs determined to murder a random stranger for no reason whatsoever, but then totally came to their senses when they realized you had a gun?    I sense a whiff of bullshiat in the air.


Two homicidal maniacs who evidently look to kill someone with no weapons of their own.  Plausible.
 
2014-06-26 10:59:32 AM
I would think a convenience store would be a "gun free zone" anyway. At least as designated by the state of Michigan where I live.  Any place which derived at least 50% of their income by sales of alcohol are gun free zones. Since I don't have access to their sales figures I would have to assume the possibility.
 
2014-06-26 11:00:08 AM

steve_as: Good for him! Props to the guy. Too bad people with CCW are far more likely to get killed or kill an innocent than stop an actual bad guy.


Because it's so easy to prove why a crime didn't happen. Dolt.
 
2014-06-26 11:00:35 AM

mschwenk: cwolf20: Secret Master of All Flatulence: moeburn: Keeping a knife is like keeping a fire extinguisher.  Keeping a gun is like keeping a fire hydrant and full-length hose.

Do you know how to tell who won a knife fight?  It's the person who bled to death last.  Knives are handy if you want to cut something, like a piece of twine or an apple.  They suck as a tool for self-defense.  This is why cops are generally required to carry a handgun, but not required to carry a knife.

On the other hand.


Found this out from a person who works front security at concerts etc.  She's one of the ones who climbs the fence and tackles the people who try and break the line by going over. Or in her words "If you're one of them, and see me standing on top of the fence. Lay down. I'm heavy, athletic, and I will belly flop mid air onto you."

After that sidetrack, my initial point:

Drawing her tazer requires 8 different reports filled out.  Using it requires 12 and a 30 minute conversation with the supervisor.
Baton requires 4.  6 if she has to use it, and a 15 minute conversation with her supervisor.

Her person side carry blade which, while not as big as Crocodile Dundee's, is a scary bastard still.:  No paperwork, and free triple rounds of her favorite alcoholic beverage from her boss at her favorite bar.  Four if she's forced to draw blood

Her company is sailing right for the port of lawsuit.


first. All the guards are allowed a personal weapon.  The police at most of the events she's been at know that they're allowed.

2nd: She hasn't drawn blood yet.  The one guy who decided to draw a knife on her, backed away when she drew hers and asked politely "Who will people believe after the fight. The security guard, or you?"
 
2014-06-26 11:05:58 AM

feckingmorons: I don't go to businesses that have no gun signs. I usually carry a gun.

I do go to the post office, but I can secure my gun in a locked compartment in my car. Few violent crimes in the Post Office, lots of violent crimes in stores and gas stations, and restaurants.

Businesses are free to make any rules regarding guns they wish. There are always other options for me.

I guess I'm a gun totin' zealot, but if I'm ever shot at again I want to be able to shoot back.


I'm guessing your screen name is self referential.

Where the fark do you shop/live in the US where you are regularly shot at? Do you frequent illegal gambling dens? Whore houses? Chicken fight basements? White supremacist meetings? Ameature bomb making conventions? Retard friendly gun conventions?

I mean sweet jebus, I've lived in the worst neighborhoods of NYC, Chicago, Boston and borderline shiatholes of London and Prague. And the "lots of violent crimes in stores, and gas stations, and restaurants" delusion you have is delusional.

shiat happens, but I'm more afraid of some asshole deciding he's gotta stand his ground against a kid in a hoodie or 'shoot back' in some situation hr created playing Dirty Harry and I get caught by friendly fire than I am of finding myself a victim in a bank robbery.

You are nuts. Completely paranoid delusional. And a sad example of an adult who still believes the boogie man lives under his bed. Pathetic. Frankly I wouldn't care if not for the fact you are the greatest danger to me and mines safety than any made up fantasy Charleton Heston tripe you believe.
 
2014-06-26 11:08:34 AM

FnkyTwn: Egoy3k: Maybe a little paranoid but no more so than a guy in the suburbs putting motion sensor lights on all four corners of his house.

Because carrying a loaded weapon around is exactly like turning your outside houselights on at night.

Gun Nut Logic


I think you missed the point.  The original poster was not talking about the degree of response, but the assessment of actual risk.  He was saying that feeling that there are enough dangerous situations that warrant an armed response is equally misreading the frequency of exposure as a homeowner who feels that his house is prowled constantly enough to warrant security lights.  He is not speaking to the degree of response.
 
2014-06-26 11:10:29 AM

Turbo Cojones: Tricky Chicken: GoldSpider: feckingmorons: I guess I'm a gun totin' zealot, but if I'm ever shot at again I want to be able to shoot back.

It sounds like you frequently put yourself into places/situations where you fear you may be shot at.  I wonder why that is.

I was getting shot at in a 'secure' federal building in Washington DC a few months ago. The reason I frequent there is to get a paycheck.

This was also an act of an untreated mentally ill person.  If he were treated appropriately, he would still be alive, and so would several of my co-workers and friends. But of course, this is all just because guns are bad.

Just because a person in PRESCRIBED the correct meds does not mean they actually have to take them.  Treatmrnt is important, but te prime problem is the over-proliferation and uncontrolled access to guns.


If you had Yellow Fever, you would be confined with no regard to your wishes.  You could then either accept or refuse treatment as you wish.  You will not be released until such time as you are evaluated as not a threat to the general population.  With psychotic breaks, woul would be confined till it was determined that your meds were working.  Then we could work on a way for you to be monitored on a release program.  Regular meds testing would most surely be needed.

Eliminating guns completely would still leave us with mentally ill people that would likely lose their lives and probably take a few others with them.

Treating the mentally ill would also save the lives of the mentally ill.  But nobody seems to think the loss of their lives is also tragic.  If Lanza had died as a result of ebola even after infecting others, people would feel sorry for him.  But since he died as a result of his mental illness, he is a monster.

Disease of blood = tragic
Disease of mind = monster
 
2014-06-26 11:16:36 AM
Here's a link to another article which suggests the CCW didn't STOP shiat, the manger was stabbed 5-6 times, the CCW just chased him down and held him at gunpoint until the cops arrived.

http://www.wdam.com/story/25019587/lumberton-stabbing-sends-store-ma na ger-to-hospital

Also, it wasn't a random bad guy out to stab someone, it was a disgruntled employee who was out stab specifically this guy.

I'd say the CCW was a minor help in the apprehension of the guy whom they probably would have caught anyway. If I were the manager I would have preferred the CCW call the police and get some pressure on my wounds as opposed to chasing the bad guy out of the store.

Of course if you have a gun your probably looking be the hero who stops the bad guy and not the person who helps keep the already bleeding from multiple stab wounds to the neck, chest, and arm guy alive.
 
2014-06-26 11:16:54 AM
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2014-06-26 11:17:13 AM

Secret Master of All Flatulence: Chummer45:  But I am anti gun-culture/gun lobby.  The thing that I find so disturbing about the gun culture in the US is that it is something that was relatively recently invented and perpetuated by the gun industry's lobby, which prioritizes increasing and maximizing gun sales over safety.  Their lobbying record is proof of that.  But most gun nuts I talk to have no awareness of that fact, or are just willfully blind to it.  Instead of acknowledging that our gun laws need to be tightened up, they just go on talking about how any increased regulation is nothing less than a ploy by liberal gun grabbers who are going to get us all killed by disarming us.

You DO understand that no matter how great the restrictions placed on our Second Amendment rights, the anti-gun lobby will not be satisfied until all guns are banned, period, right?  We're talking BEYOND an Australian-style "turn them all in" type of gun control law. And while you seem to assume that the indignation against "tightening up" our gun laws is merely a result of the "gun industry's lobby", you're missing one "minor" fact...the NRA's political clout doesn't come from gun manufacturers, it comes from the fact that millions of Americans are "single issue voters" on the gun control issue.

Your position reminds me of this quote:

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out-
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out-
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me-and there was no one left to speak for me."

With that in mind:  Fark you, Buddy...I don't care how many guns you own.  Your hypocrisy makes you worse than the hard-core "guns are evil, period, and nobody who isn't a government employee should ever have access to them" folks.  THEY at least have the balls to live up to their ideals and actually live with all of the implications of their position.


Yeah. Gun owners are the equivalent of holocaust gene cide victims.

You are a sad pathetic scared little pud.

Or am I being trolled?

Anyway mental health screenings, regular license renewal, strict transfer rules, and mandatory registry don't trample your 2A rights (which are bullshiat considering any non-moron can read the plain text and see you are full of shiat, including hopefully a non dumb ass future Supreme Court). Any more than screaming fire in a theatre or graffiti on a private home is anti free speech. You're sad. Sad. Sad. Sad. My only hope is you have an accidental discharge while stroking your gun one night, so actual people concerned with hunting, sporting, home defense or even govt overreach can be safe from your stupid farking ilk.
 
2014-06-26 11:18:28 AM
Actually, let me rephrase that, I would have wanted him to call 911 not just "the police". Assuming 911 would send ambulance and all other appropriate support personnel.
 
2014-06-26 11:19:36 AM

feckingmorons: I don't go to businesses that have no gun signs. I usually carry a gun.

I do go to the post office, but I can secure my gun in a locked compartment in my car. Few violent crimes in the Post Office, lots of violent crimes in stores and gas stations, and restaurants.

Businesses are free to make any rules regarding guns they wish. There are always other options for me.

I guess I'm a gun totin' zealot, but if I'm ever shot at again I want to be able to shoot back.


abhorrent1: It's concealed. How would they know? And even if they did find out, other than kick you out what can they do? Could you be arrested? I mean, it's a store policy not a law.


Depends on the state. In VA, "no guns' signs don't carry the weight of law (except for federal buildings and post offices and such). So I still carry concealed in places that say 'no guns', not that they'd ever know. But if they did find out all they can do is ask me to leave. If I refuse, I am at that point tresspassing, and could be arrested for *that*, but I can't get in trouble for just having a gun. I seem to remember an incident where somehow management found out the guy had a gun (maybe he bent over to look at something and briefly exposed the firearm). They call the cops. Cops show up and say "Did you ask him to leave?" they say something like "Nope, we were too scared. People who carry guns might shoot you at any moment for any reason". The cop goes up to the guy and basically makes sure he's not planning on robbing the place. Then they tell him "Look, the people here are freaking out, and they would really like it if you left" The guy says "oh, okay then", parks his cart of stuff on the side of the aisle and leaves. And that was the end of it. I like to think that the cop stopped by the manager and told him "Don't worry, I have saved you from the bad man. You can come out from behind your desk now"
 
2014-06-26 11:20:04 AM

Tricky Chicken: Treating the mentally ill would also save the lives of the mentally ill. But nobody seems to think the loss of their lives is also tragic. If Lanza had died as a result of ebola even after infecting others, people would feel sorry for him. But since he died as a result of his mental illness, he is a monster.


A typically thoughtless and useless analogy. Kindly explain how the natural transmission of a disease to an unwitting host is similar to a woman intentionally keeping an arsenal in a house with a person known to have several mental disorders.
 
2014-06-26 11:20:25 AM

Egoy3k: Silly_Sot: Let's see, someone has decided to use a firearm to rob a store. He knows its a felony but has decided to do it, anyway.

He gets to the store. There's now a SIGN on it. The piece of cardboard has text on it that says that firearms are not permitted in the store.

Will the person who has already chosen to commit felonies while using a firearm...

A) Shrug his shoulders, say, "Aw, shucks and darn!" and then turn back, having been completely defeated by the Magical Pixie Sign

or

B) Ignore or even laugh at the sign while he doesn't even break stride entering the store to commit his felony with a firearm

?

Which will happen?

Gun bans are not intended to stop robberies and nobody thinks that they are.  They are intended to prevent liability from falling on the property owner when an angry old fart shoots someone for texting in a theater or some clumsy jackass accidentally shoots someone.  So in other words the gun bans are not caused by 'gun grabbers' but by a few irresponsible gun owners creating risks that could financially impact a business.


This is true, a gun ban is good for the business owner, but bad for the front counter employee, and by way of externality, bad for the people who are unarmed but in the store. The way to make the business owner care more about his clerk's possible death, and less about his bottom line, is for those who are against gun bans to just not go there. But corporations like Chipotle are trying to have it both ways - they "respectfully ask" that you not bring a gun into the store, but don't ban them. If you don't want to allow guns in your store, just post a notice and allow people to make the choice.
 
2014-06-26 11:23:24 AM

Chummer45: s2s2s2: TheNewJesus: Guns are a liability to any business.

Even gun stores?


Fun fact:  many gun stores and gun shows don't allow concealed or open carry of loaded guns.


Can't imagine why...

www.imfdb.org

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2014-06-26 11:25:06 AM

stonicus: Since it happens several times a day, every single day, could you please take us some pics or video of homeless people attacking your car and banging on your windows asking for money? Not even in a "ha, prove it!" way, more of a "I think that'd be a funny video to watch" way.


to be fair, homeless people at intersections ARE a pretty regular occurrence. Attacking passers by? nah. Counter productive. The cops would have that shiat shut down post-haste.
 
2014-06-26 11:27:40 AM

Cold_Sassy: Tricky Chicken: FirstNationalBastard: So I'll be justified next the I carry my suitcase nuke with me?

Translation: I don't always herp. But when I do, I derp.

Lighten up, Francis.  It was a farking joke.


It's never a joke. You are a sophmoric imbecile who, after being outed, went with "I was only joking" as a last ditch effort to make people think you're not stupid.

At least that's was I learned on Fark last Friday when I attempted snark.
 
2014-06-26 11:29:34 AM

skozlaw: Tricky Chicken: Treating the mentally ill would also save the lives of the mentally ill. But nobody seems to think the loss of their lives is also tragic. If Lanza had died as a result of ebola even after infecting others, people would feel sorry for him. But since he died as a result of his mental illness, he is a monster.

A typically thoughtless and useless analogy. Kindly explain how the natural transmission of a disease to an unwitting host is similar to a woman intentionally keeping an arsenal in a house with a person known to have several mental disorders.


I can think of no way to make this simpler or more obvious to you than it already is. I am afraid that somebody else would have to point out to me how this is elusive.
 
2014-06-26 11:31:46 AM

steve_as: Good for him! Props to the guy. Too bad people with CCW are far more likely to get killed or kill an innocent than stop an actual bad guy.


Cite your source for this "statistic".
 
2014-06-26 11:38:04 AM

ThighsofGlory: steve_as: Good for him! Props to the guy. Too bad people with CCW are far more likely to get killed or kill an innocent than stop an actual bad guy.

Because it's so easy to prove why a crime didn't happen. Dolt.


Yes it is dolt. If your bad CCW ass whips out his six shooter (or ar15 if yr supercool) to stop a robbery, the subdued or fleeing perp has the police called to arrest him, with a resulting arrest and/or report. Dolt.
 
2014-06-26 11:41:22 AM

Serious Post on Serious Thread: feckingmorons: I don't go to businesses that have no gun signs. I usually carry a gun.

I do go to the post office, but I can secure my gun in a locked compartment in my car. Few violent crimes in the Post Office, lots of violent crimes in stores and gas stations, and restaurants.

Businesses are free to make any rules regarding guns they wish. There are always other options for me.

I guess I'm a gun totin' zealot, but if I'm ever shot at again I want to be able to shoot back.

I'm guessing your screen name is self referential.

Where the fark do you shop/live in the US where you are regularly shot at? Do you frequent illegal gambling dens? Whore houses? Chicken fight basements? White supremacist meetings? Ameature bomb making conventions? Retard friendly gun conventions?

I mean sweet jebus, I've lived in the worst neighborhoods of NYC, Chicago, Boston and borderline shiatholes of London and Prague. And the "lots of violent crimes in stores, and gas stations, and restaurants" delusion you have is delusional.

shiat happens, but I'm more afraid of some asshole deciding he's gotta stand his ground against a kid in a hoodie or 'shoot back' in some situation hr created playing Dirty Harry and I get caught by friendly fire than I am of finding myself a victim in a bank robbery.

You are nuts. Completely paranoid delusional. And a sad example of an adult who still believes the boogie man lives under his bed. Pathetic. Frankly I wouldn't care if not for the fact you are the greatest danger to me and mines safety than any made up fantasy Charleton Heston tripe you believe.



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2014-06-26 11:42:09 AM

Serious Post on Serious Thread: I mean sweet jebus, I've lived in the worst neighborhoods of NYC, Chicago, Boston


What Chicago neighborhood did you live in?
 
2014-06-26 11:42:30 AM
Huge number of derps on both sides of this issue, always making for an entertaining exchange of "opinions" based on misdirection, distortion of the facts and outright lies.
 
2014-06-26 11:43:55 AM

Tricky Chicken: skozlaw: Tricky Chicken: Treating the mentally ill would also save the lives of the mentally ill. But nobody seems to think the loss of their lives is also tragic. If Lanza had died as a result of ebola even after infecting others, people would feel sorry for him. But since he died as a result of his mental illness, he is a monster.

A typically thoughtless and useless analogy. Kindly explain how the natural transmission of a disease to an unwitting host is similar to a woman intentionally keeping an arsenal in a house with a person known to have several mental disorders.

I can think of no way to make this simpler or more obvious to you than it already is. I am afraid that somebody else would have to point out to me how this is elusive.


One is a wilfull act. The other isn't.

You're not too bright, are you?
 
2014-06-26 11:45:10 AM
You gonna get shot! PEWPEWPEWPEWPEPWPEW!
 
2014-06-26 11:47:09 AM

White_Scarf_Syndrome: But go ahead and paint me as some paranoid nut job.

You get accosted once in a vulnerable spot like a red light with your kid, you do something about it.

Or you can just sit and be uncomfortable. Moving isn't an option. I like it here. But I'm being painted as some nut job because of ONE incident in which I acted rationally to some dick banging on my car with my kid inside.

Whatever.

(earlier)

fark that.  It wears on you when it's several times a day every single day.  I like it here but there are some really really screwed up things about Austin.  Also the hipsters.  Don't even get me started.


So... which is it.  Once?  Or several times a day every single day?
 
2014-06-26 11:49:35 AM

Secret Master of All Flatulence: Chummer45:  But I am anti gun-culture/gun lobby.  The thing that I find so disturbing about the gun culture in the US is that it is something that was relatively recently invented and perpetuated by the gun industry's lobby, which prioritizes increasing and maximizing gun sales over safety.  Their lobbying record is proof of that.  But most gun nuts I talk to have no awareness of that fact, or are just willfully blind to it.  Instead of acknowledging that our gun laws need to be tightened up, they just go on talking about how any increased regulation is nothing less than a ploy by liberal gun grabbers who are going to get us all killed by disarming us.

You DO understand that no matter how great the restrictions placed on our Second Amendment rights, the anti-gun lobby will not be satisfied until all guns are banned, period, right?  We're talking BEYOND an Australian-style "turn them all in" type of gun control law. And while you seem to assume that the indignation against "tightening up" our gun laws is merely a result of the "gun industry's lobby", you're missing one "minor" fact...the NRA's political clout doesn't come from gun manufacturers, it comes from the fact that millions of Americans are "single issue voters" on the gun control issue.

Your position reminds me of this quote:

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out-
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out-
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me-and there was no one left to speak for me."

With that in mind:  Fark you, Buddy...I don't care how many guns you own.  Your hypocrisy makes you worse than the hard-core "guns are evil, period, and nobody who isn't a government employee should ever have access to them" folks.  THEY at least have the balls to live up to their ideals and actually live with all of the implications of their positio ...



So because I own guns but I'm not a second amendment bullshiat spouting gun nut, that makes me a hypocrite?  I think you've just beautifully demonstrated why there is no reasoning with the second amendment crowd.  You can't even have a conversation about gun regulations without being accused of being a gun-grabbing hitler enthusiast.

And they say liberals are the ones who argue based on emotions rather than reason.....
 
2014-06-26 11:51:24 AM

Loreweaver: onyxruby: dookdookdook: Fair enough. How about we agree to begin by restricting gun ownership for psychotics, sociopaths, and admitted tea partiers

If someone is crazy enough they shouldn't have a gun than they are crazy enough to be locked in a mental ward as representing a danger to themselves or others. I'm no tea party sympathizer, but the idea of restricting rights based on political party affiliation strikes me as a very nazi like attitude.

Well, considering Tea Party members have demonstrated time and again that they are a danger to the public (good), I'd say it's pretty reasonable to restrict their access on the merits of mental illness.


Which ones do you consider tea party types?

Hell even the instigator of Feinsteins PTSD was not a tea party type. It was a democrat that killed Moscone and Milk.


Nidal Hasan - Ft Hood Shooter: Registered Democrat and Muslim.
Aaron Alexis, Navy Yard shooter - black liberal/Obama voter
Seung-Hui Cho - Virginia Tech shooter: Wrote hate mail to President Bush and to his staff, registered Democrat.
James Holmes - the "Dark Knight"/Colorado shooter: Registered Democrat, staff worker on the Obama campaign, #Occupy guy,progressive liberal, hated Christians.
Amy Bishop, the rabid leftist, killed her colleagues in Alabama, Obama supporter.
Andrew J. Stack, flew plane into IRS building in Texas - Leftist Democrat
James J. Lee who was the "green activist"/ leftist took hostages at Discovery Channel - progressive liberal Democrat.
Jared Loughner, the Tucson shooter - Leftist, Marxist.
Ohio bomb plot derps were occupy Wall St leftists.
Harris and Klebold, the Columbine Shooters - families registered Democrats and progressive Leftists.
Lee Harvey Oswald, Socialist, Communist and Democrat - killed Kennedy...
Karl Pierson, Hated the GOP, Christians and was anti gun. (the media even went back and scrubbed their articles where his friends and family described him as radical socialist)
 
2014-06-26 11:51:25 AM
I'm Canadian, and I'm glad that we have handguns outlawed.  That being said, I wouldn't go to Afghanistan without a gun, I wouldn't go to Somalia without a gun, and I wouldn't go to the USA without a gun.
 
2014-06-26 11:52:56 AM

MythDragon: Cold_Sassy: Tricky Chicken: FirstNationalBastard: So I'll be justified next the I carry my suitcase nuke with me?

Translation: I don't always herp. But when I do, I derp.

Lighten up, Francis.  It was a farking joke.

It's never a joke. You are a sophmoric imbecile who, after being outed, went with "I was only joking" as a last ditch effort to make people think you're not stupid.

At least that's was I learned on Fark last Friday when I attempted snark.


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2014-06-26 11:53:01 AM

Frank N Stein: Serious Post on Serious Thread: I mean sweet jebus, I've lived in the worst neighborhoods of NYC, Chicago, Boston

What Chicago neighborhood did you live in?


West division street. Most aptly named street ever. To the NE was wicker park hipster ville, to the south farked up ghetto, and where I lived impoverished barrio.

Actually got tossed up against an undercover cop car one night walking home for being, and I quote, word for word, in a "n****r infested neighborhood". I wanted to point out to the Hispanic officer (and his white partner) it was actually a 'spic' infested neighborhood. But it was late and I just wanted to go home and not spend a night in jail with too tight handcuffs and bruised ribs.
 
2014-06-26 11:55:39 AM

ZeroPly: Chummer45: I have no problem with people owning guns.  What I have a problem with is America's insane gun culture that is so quick to disregard the fact that treats guns as these magical devices representing the nothing less than the embodiment of freedom and liberty, rather than what they actually are: deadly weapons that need to be regulated as such.  It's absurd that in many states people can carry a gun around without any training whatsoever.  And in most states there aren't any mandatory safe storage requirements,etc.  No other dangerous consumer product in America is given the same treatment and reverence that we give guns.

Everyone keeps saying "we need this, we need that", but the devil's in the details. What mandatory safe storage requirement? Is that going to apply to a cop working on a mob case? How about a battered wife in a single floor apartment? When I leave my 50 cal out in pieces on the kitchen table, but the bolt's in the safe, does that count?

Fix the federal government, then us gun nuts will have a little more faith. Right now, when Rahinah Ibrahim has to fight for 9 years to get off the no-fly list, and we find out the administration was using state secrets to cover up their bureaucratic error, I don't have any interest in the same people regulating my gun purchases or ownership.



If the point you are making is that our government is corrupted by our insane campaign finance system and incompetent, I'm not going to disagree with you.  The problem is that gun nuts tend to be single issue voters who vote for the GOP based on second amendment bullshiat, but the GOP is the party that is enthusiastically taking the position that money is speech and the more of it in our politics, the better.

Second amendment politics has the effect of propping up a political party that is promoting and actively trying to perpetuate a completely broken political system.  So enjoy your guns while our country is mismanaged to hell because gun nuts continue to elect criminally irresponsible politicians.
 
2014-06-26 11:56:37 AM

squirrelflavoredyogurt: Here's a link to another article which suggests the CCW didn't STOP shiat, the manger was stabbed 5-6 times, the CCW just chased him down and held him at gunpoint until the cops arrived.

http://www.wdam.com/story/25019587/lumberton-stabbing-sends-store-ma na ger-to-hospital

Also, it wasn't a random bad guy out to stab someone, it was a disgruntled employee who was out stab specifically this guy.

I'd say the CCW was a minor help in the apprehension of the guy whom they probably would have caught anyway. If I were the manager I would have preferred the CCW call the police and get some pressure on my wounds as opposed to chasing the bad guy out of the store.

Of course if you have a gun your probably looking be the hero who stops the bad guy and not the person who helps keep the already bleeding from multiple stab wounds to the neck, chest, and arm guy alive.


Your article doesnt specifically say the CCW holder just stood their as the manager was stabbed.

Which is what it would say if he didnt stop the attack.....right?

Anti gun types arent willing to admit that anyone with a CCW has ever stopped any attack.

Confirmation bias....
 
2014-06-26 11:57:27 AM

stonicus: White_Scarf_Syndrome: But go ahead and paint me as some paranoid nut job.

You get accosted once in a vulnerable spot like a red light with your kid, you do something about it.

Or you can just sit and be uncomfortable. Moving isn't an option. I like it here. But I'm being painted as some nut job because of ONE incident in which I acted rationally to some dick banging on my car with my kid inside.

Whatever.

(earlier)

fark that.  It wears on you when it's several times a day every single day.  I like it here but there are some really really screwed up things about Austin.  Also the hipsters.  Don't even get me started.

So... which is it.  Once?  Or several times a day every single day?


And don't forget the 'hipster' menace! If I see a pair of skinny jeans, pork pie hat, and facial piercings I fear for my life and start blasting away!!
 
2014-06-26 11:57:59 AM

Geoff Peterson: stonicus: Since it happens several times a day, every single day, could you please take us some pics or video of homeless people attacking your car and banging on your windows asking for money? Not even in a "ha, prove it!" way, more of a "I think that'd be a funny video to watch" way.

to be fair, homeless people at intersections ARE a pretty regular occurrence. Attacking passers by? nah. Counter productive. The cops would have that shiat shut down post-haste.


If it were up to the police chief here, he would have them all rounded up and removed from the corners.

But, this town is full of delusional hipster hippies and it is known as a national homeless safe zone.
 
2014-06-26 11:58:17 AM

MythDragon: Cold_Sassy: Tricky Chicken: FirstNationalBastard: So I'll be justified next the I carry my suitcase nuke with me?

Translation: I don't always herp. But when I do, I derp.

Lighten up, Francis.  It was a farking joke.

It's never a joke. You are a sophmoric imbecile who, after being outed, went with "I was only joking" as a last ditch effort to make people think you're not stupid.

At least that's was I learned on Fark last Friday when I attempted snark.



Gun nuts sure do get sensitive when you point out the obvious flaws with their "the second amendment is super important because it protects everyone against the police and military by allowing us to buy semiautomatic firearms" bullshiat.
 
2014-06-26 12:00:40 PM

Serious Post on Serious Thread: Tricky Chicken: skozlaw: Tricky Chicken: Treating the mentally ill would also save the lives of the mentally ill. But nobody seems to think the loss of their lives is also tragic. If Lanza had died as a result of ebola even after infecting others, people would feel sorry for him. But since he died as a result of his mental illness, he is a monster.

A typically thoughtless and useless analogy. Kindly explain how the natural transmission of a disease to an unwitting host is similar to a woman intentionally keeping an arsenal in a house with a person known to have several mental disorders.

I can think of no way to make this simpler or more obvious to you than it already is. I am afraid that somebody else would have to point out to me how this is elusive.

One is a wilfull act. The other isn't.

You're not too bright, are you?


No, I am not too bright.

The act of spreading a pathogen based disease is not wilfull, neither is the violence perpetrated by a mentally ill person.  The access to guns is a secondary environmental condition.  If you put a virulent person in the middle of Montana vs the middle of Times Square, the carnage will be different.

the underlying problem is constant.  If you care for the sick person, then in the end, the sick person might survive.  If you don't, they will likely die and kill others in the process.

Guns are irrelevant if you treat the disease.
 
2014-06-26 12:02:04 PM

cwolf20: Her person side carry blade which, while not as big as Crocodile Dundee's, is a scary bastard still.:  No paperwork, and free triple rounds of her favorite alcoholic beverage from her boss at her favorite bar.  Four if she's forced to draw blood


Well, the free booze and lack of paperwork will be great compensation when she is shot and killed for stabbing somebody with a still-concealed handgun that she didn't know about at the time of the stabbing, and the "scary bastard" of a knife and stab wound is used in court to demonstrate that the shooting was legally justified.  "Stand your ground" will not even need to enter into it.  All Defense Counsel will have to do at trial is elicit from Defendant something to the effect of "Sure, I was breaking the law, but my breach didn't necessitate the use of lethal force on her behalf.  I couldn't even safely retreat to the proverbial wall, because she'd already stuck the big, scary knife into me, causing grievous bodily injury."

No joke:  She REALLY needs to talk to an attorney licensed to practice law in the jurisdiction she works in about the laws involving self-defense before she finds herself in either more legal trouble than she wants, or ends up in the morgue.  Her employer may want to talk to an attorney licensed to practice law in that jurisdiction about civil liability resulting from such a stabbing and such a policy.  And they both should really do so ASAP.  I don't even know what jurisdiction is involved, but I'm reasonably confident that attempting to use lethal force against what is in essence a trespasser in a public venue isn't legal almost everywhere.  There's a pretty huge difference between stabbing/shooting somebody breaking into your home at night, and stabbing/shooting somebody trying to get up on a stage, or trying to jump a fence.

I hope you were joking, or you're misremembering something you were told, but realize you probably are serious.  BITD, I saw similar policies in similar venues.  Still,  it's kind of like a knife fight in general...even if she wins, odds are excellent that she's still eventually going to end up hurt in one way or another.
 
2014-06-26 12:03:35 PM

cwolf20: mschwenk: cwolf20: Secret Master of All Flatulence: moeburn: Keeping a knife is like keeping a fire extinguisher.  Keeping a gun is like keeping a fire hydrant and full-length hose.

Do you know how to tell who won a knife fight?  It's the person who bled to death last.  Knives are handy if you want to cut something, like a piece of twine or an apple.  They suck as a tool for self-defense.  This is why cops are generally required to carry a handgun, but not required to carry a knife.

On the other hand.


Found this out from a person who works front security at concerts etc.  She's one of the ones who climbs the fence and tackles the people who try and break the line by going over. Or in her words "If you're one of them, and see me standing on top of the fence. Lay down. I'm heavy, athletic, and I will belly flop mid air onto you."

After that sidetrack, my initial point:

Drawing her tazer requires 8 different reports filled out.  Using it requires 12 and a 30 minute conversation with the supervisor.
Baton requires 4.  6 if she has to use it, and a 15 minute conversation with her supervisor.

Her person side carry blade which, while not as big as Crocodile Dundee's, is a scary bastard still.:  No paperwork, and free triple rounds of her favorite alcoholic beverage from her boss at her favorite bar.  Four if she's forced to draw blood

Her company is sailing right for the port of lawsuit.

first. All the guards are allowed a personal weapon.  The police at most of the events she's been at know that they're allowed.

2nd: She hasn't drawn blood yet.  The one guy who decided to draw a knife on her, backed away when she drew hers and asked politely "Who will people believe after the fight. The security guard, or you?"


Im not saying her actions are the problem. The problem is the paperwprk and investigation requirements on personal weapon use. As an example police departments don't stop a use of force investigation because the weapon wasn't issued by the department.
 
2014-06-26 12:04:15 PM

stonicus: White_Scarf_Syndrome: But go ahead and paint me as some paranoid nut job.

You get accosted once in a vulnerable spot like a red light with your kid, you do something about it.

Or you can just sit and be uncomfortable. Moving isn't an option. I like it here. But I'm being painted as some nut job because of ONE incident in which I acted rationally to some dick banging on my car with my kid inside.

Whatever.

(earlier)

fark that.  It wears on you when it's several times a day every single day.  I like it here but there are some really really screwed up things about Austin.  Also the hipsters.  Don't even get me started.

So... which is it.  Once?  Or several times a day every single day?


Look, I'm sorry maybe I wasn't clear.  I haven't had a lot of sleep.

I had one guy, one time bang on my car and scare the shiat out of me.  He didn't like the fact that I ignored him.  I don't want to talk to a farking bum every day, sorry bro.  I reached over to my seat and then he backed off.  I do not have a CHL but it is not required to carry in your vehicle in TX.

EVERY day I have to pull up to various corners and either ignore the bum walking past my car, make eye contact. Smile. Wave. Give a peace sign.  Whatever I'm in the mood for.  I don't have any sympathy for a lot of these folks that have dogs with them.  Some of these people are professional bums.  I've had family members go homeless for legit reasons.  Most aren't going to do anything but smile and say "God Bless"

But I am within my rights to protect my son when the ONE farking meth head gets all pissy that I didn't look him in the eye and ignored him.
 
2014-06-26 12:04:47 PM

White_Scarf_Syndrome: Geoff Peterson: stonicus: Since it happens several times a day, every single day, could you please take us some pics or video of homeless people attacking your car and banging on your windows asking for money? Not even in a "ha, prove it!" way, more of a "I think that'd be a funny video to watch" way.

to be fair, homeless people at intersections ARE a pretty regular occurrence. Attacking passers by? nah. Counter productive. The cops would have that shiat shut down post-haste.

If it were up to the police chief here, he would have them all rounded up and removed from the corners.

But, this town is full of delusional hipster hippies and it is known as a national homeless safe zone.


Austin's not the magical land of Oz or anything. Its a couple hundred miles from me. Pretty sure the homeless people there are similar to the ones here.
 
2014-06-26 12:05:14 PM
Silly_Sot:
Will the person who has already chosen to commit felonies while using a firearm...
A) Shrug his shoulders, say, "Aw, shucks and darn!" and then turn back, having been completely defeated by the Magical Pixie Sign
or
B) Ignore or even laugh at the sign while he doesn't even break stride entering the store to commit his felony with a firearm

?

Which will happen?


You forgot:  "C)  Look for a "No Guns Allowed!" sign before selecting his target, so he's got a better chance of not encountering a victim with a gun."
 
2014-06-26 12:12:07 PM

Tatterdemalian: White_Scarf_Syndrome: But go ahead and paint me as some paranoid nut job.

You get accosted once in a vulnerable spot like a red light with your kid, you do something about it.

Or you can just sit and be uncomfortable. Moving isn't an option. I like it here. But I'm being painted as some nut job because of ONE incident in which I acted rationally to some dick banging on my car with my kid inside.

Whatever.

No, you're being painted as a nut job for not being able to defend yourself without a gun. If you aren't Bruce Lee (and I mean the imaginary Bruce Lee that could beat up a hundred armed attackers without breaking a sweat, not the real life Bruce Lee that told everyone who asked what would happen if he took on a guy with a gun in real life, "I would be shot dead") then you are a disgusting loser omega male who really should be eliminated for the good of modern society.

/funny thing is, even the people who complain about other people being "worthless without a gun" are, themselves, worthless without a gun
//their solution to being attacked is to call the police (people with guns) and let them handle it


Right.  You can sit there and hope he doesn't take a rock and bash your window open with it.  On the phone with the cops.  In traffic.

I am supposed to get out of my car and start a fist fight?  Talk to him rationally?  Write him a note?

Anyway, I'm checking out of this thread.  To just "sit and wait for the cops" is just not an option in many cases.  Especially Austin cops.  They like to shoot dogs, but that's a whooole other can of worms.
 
2014-06-26 12:13:19 PM
Looks more like he stopped the suspect from fleeing and maybe stopped him from stabbing her a ninth time.
 
2014-06-26 12:15:37 PM

Tricky Chicken: Serious Post on Serious Thread: Tricky Chicken: skozlaw: Tricky Chicken: Treating the mentally ill would also save the lives of the mentally ill. But nobody seems to think the loss of their lives is also tragic. If Lanza had died as a result of ebola even after infecting others, people would feel sorry for him. But since he died as a result of his mental illness, he is a monster.

A typically thoughtless and useless analogy. Kindly explain how the natural transmission of a disease to an unwitting host is similar to a woman intentionally keeping an arsenal in a house with a person known to have several mental disorders.

I can think of no way to make this simpler or more obvious to you than it already is. I am afraid that somebody else would have to point out to me how this is elusive.

One is a wilfull act. The other isn't.

You're not too bright, are you?

No, I am not too bright.

The act of spreading a pathogen based disease is not wilfull, neither is the violence perpetrated by a mentally ill person.  The access to guns is a secondary environmental condition.  If you put a virulent person in the middle of Montana vs the middle of Times Square, the carnage will be different.

the underlying problem is constant.  If you care for the sick person, then in the end, the sick person might survive.  If you don't, they will likely die and kill others in the process.

Guns are irrelevant if you treat the disease.


Only 4 "if" statements to tap dance around your bullshiat?

How's this:
"Don't unknowingly catch Ebola and no one dies". (Untenable).

"Don't have guns in your house with you and your psychopath spawn." (Tenable).

I'll forgo further insults. It'd be like punching a lobotamized puppy at this point.
 
2014-06-26 12:15:49 PM

White_Scarf_Syndrome: stonicus: White_Scarf_Syndrome: But go ahead and paint me as some paranoid nut job.

You get accosted once in a vulnerable spot like a red light with your kid, you do something about it.

Or you can just sit and be uncomfortable. Moving isn't an option. I like it here. But I'm being painted as some nut job because of ONE incident in which I acted rationally to some dick banging on my car with my kid inside.

Whatever.

(earlier)

fark that.  It wears on you when it's several times a day every single day.  I like it here but there are some really really screwed up things about Austin.  Also the hipsters.  Don't even get me started.

So... which is it.  Once?  Or several times a day every single day?

Look, I'm sorry maybe I wasn't clear.  I haven't had a lot of sleep.

I had one guy, one time bang on my car and scare the shiat out of me.  He didn't like the fact that I ignored him.  I don't want to talk to a farking bum every day, sorry bro.  I reached over to my seat and then he backed off.  I do not have a CHL but it is not required to carry in your vehicle in TX.

EVERY day I have to pull up to various corners and either ignore the bum walking past my car, make eye contact. Smile. Wave. Give a peace sign.  Whatever I'm in the mood for.  I don't have any sympathy for a lot of these folks that have dogs with them.  Some of these people are professional bums.  I've had family members go homeless for legit reasons.  Most aren't going to do anything but smile and say "God Bless"

But I am within my rights to protect my son when the ONE farking meth head gets all pissy that I didn't look him in the eye and ignored him.


OK, so it was just once.  Why then earlier did you make it out that this happens to you all the time?  Hyperbole just weakens any legitimate claim or data you might have actually had.  Now, we can't trust anything you say to be truthful or accurate.
 
2014-06-26 12:16:05 PM

Serious Post on Serious Thread: West division street. Most aptly named street ever. To the NE was wicker park hipster ville, to the south farked up ghetto, and where I lived impoverished barrio.

Actually got tossed up against an undercover cop car one night walking home for being, and I quote, word for word, in a "n****r infested neighborhood". I wanted to point out to the Hispanic officer (and his white partner) it was actually a 'spic' infested neighborhood. But it was late and I just wanted to go home and not spend a night in jail with too tight handcuffs and bruised ribs.


Eh, it's not too bad over there. When you said "worst neighborhood" I pictured Englewood and the likes. My followup question would be "why the fark did you live in Englewood?!"

/Logan Square resident btw
 
2014-06-26 12:18:32 PM

BSABSVR: Things I "learned" from Fark: multiple firearms companies are anti-gun.


More like "Multiple firearms companies don't care about Constitutionally-enumerated rights, if they can gain market share/make more money from either driving their competition out of business, or if they can get the Government to give them an unfair economic advantage by screwing the rest of their customer base."

BITD, Bill Ruger was more than happy to push for laws that outlawed stuff his competition made, but that wasn't his "Bread and Butter", just as long as the laws would have pushed people to buy his products.   One of my big complaints about the NRA is that they forgave him for it, once he'd donated enough money "to the cause".  It's kind of like Joe Biden being given a pass for his gaffes by the Left Wing, which would have been career-enders for anybody with a (R) after their names.
 
2014-06-26 12:20:26 PM

Frank N Stein: Serious Post on Serious Thread: West division street. Most aptly named street ever. To the NE was wicker park hipster ville, to the south farked up ghetto, and where I lived impoverished barrio.

Actually got tossed up against an undercover cop car one night walking home for being, and I quote, word for word, in a "n****r infested neighborhood". I wanted to point out to the Hispanic officer (and his white partner) it was actually a 'spic' infested neighborhood. But it was late and I just wanted to go home and not spend a night in jail with too tight handcuffs and bruised ribs.

Eh, it's not too bad over there. When you said "worst neighborhood" I pictured Englewood and the likes. My followup question would be "why the fark did you live in Englewood?!"

/Logan Square resident btw


I haven't lived in the city for years and years, has Humboldt Park gotten any better?
 
2014-06-26 12:23:53 PM

White_Scarf_Syndrome: Tatterdemalian: White_Scarf_Syndrome: But go ahead and paint me as some paranoid nut job.

You get accosted once in a vulnerable spot like a red light with your kid, you do something about it.

Or you can just sit and be uncomfortable. Moving isn't an option. I like it here. But I'm being painted as some nut job because of ONE incident in which I acted rationally to some dick banging on my car with my kid inside.

Whatever.

No, you're being painted as a nut job for not being able to defend yourself without a gun. If you aren't Bruce Lee (and I mean the imaginary Bruce Lee that could beat up a hundred armed attackers without breaking a sweat, not the real life Bruce Lee that told everyone who asked what would happen if he took on a guy with a gun in real life, "I would be shot dead") then you are a disgusting loser omega male who really should be eliminated for the good of modern society.

/funny thing is, even the people who complain about other people being "worthless without a gun" are, themselves, worthless without a gun
//their solution to being attacked is to call the police (people with guns) and let them handle it

Right.  You can sit there and hope he doesn't take a rock and bash your window open with it.  On the phone with the cops.  In traffic.

I am supposed to get out of my car and start a fist fight?  Talk to him rationally?  Write him a note?

Anyway, I'm checking out of this thread.  To just "sit and wait for the cops" is just not an option in many cases.  Especially Austin cops.  They like to shoot dogs, but that's a whooole other can of worms.


Well, I hope the several years of at least lost income , definite emotional scarring (of yr kid, yr too far gone to matter already), probable criminal and civil trials, and possible incarceration are worth it to blast the shiat out of the homeless guy with a squeegee that your insanely paranoid ass thought was a rock. But yeah, your metal binky gets you through the scary suburbs of Austin without wetting yourself, at the expense of the safety of all those around you, so it's all cool, I guess.
 
2014-06-26 12:24:49 PM

Serious Post on Serious Thread: Tricky Chicken: Serious Post on Serious Thread: Tricky Chicken: skozlaw: Tricky Chicken: Treating the mentally ill would also save the lives of the mentally ill. But nobody seems to think the loss of their lives is also tragic. If Lanza had died as a result of ebola even after infecting others, people would feel sorry for him. But since he died as a result of his mental illness, he is a monster.

A typically thoughtless and useless analogy. Kindly explain how the natural transmission of a disease to an unwitting host is similar to a woman intentionally keeping an arsenal in a house with a person known to have several mental disorders.

I can think of no way to make this simpler or more obvious to you than it already is. I am afraid that somebody else would have to point out to me how this is elusive.

One is a wilfull act. The other isn't.

You're not too bright, are you?

No, I am not too bright.

The act of spreading a pathogen based disease is not wilfull, neither is the violence perpetrated by a mentally ill person.  The access to guns is a secondary environmental condition.  If you put a virulent person in the middle of Montana vs the middle of Times Square, the carnage will be different.

the underlying problem is constant.  If you care for the sick person, then in the end, the sick person might survive.  If you don't, they will likely die and kill others in the process.

Guns are irrelevant if you treat the disease.

Only 4 "if" statements to tap dance around your bullshiat?

How's this:
"Don't unknowingly catch Ebola and no one dies". (Untenable).

"Don't have guns in your house with you and your psychopath spawn." (Tenable).

I'll forgo further insults. It'd be like punching a lobotamized puppy at this point.


You really can't fathom healing the sick as better than banning guns?

I don't see how you have made any insults.
 
2014-06-26 12:31:06 PM

stonicus: White_Scarf_Syndrome: stonicus: White_Scarf_Syndrome: But go ahead and paint me as some paranoid nut job.

You get accosted once in a vulnerable spot like a red light with your kid, you do something about it.

Or you can just sit and be uncomfortable. Moving isn't an option. I like it here. But I'm being painted as some nut job because of ONE incident in which I acted rationally to some dick banging on my car with my kid inside.

Whatever.

(earlier)

fark that.  It wears on you when it's several times a day every single day.  I like it here but there are some really really screwed up things about Austin.  Also the hipsters.  Don't even get me started.

So... which is it.  Once?  Or several times a day every single day?

Look, I'm sorry maybe I wasn't clear.  I haven't had a lot of sleep.

I had one guy, one time bang on my car and scare the shiat out of me.  He didn't like the fact that I ignored him.  I don't want to talk to a farking bum every day, sorry bro.  I reached over to my seat and then he backed off.  I do not have a CHL but it is not required to carry in your vehicle in TX.

EVERY day I have to pull up to various corners and either ignore the bum walking past my car, make eye contact. Smile. Wave. Give a peace sign.  Whatever I'm in the mood for.  I don't have any sympathy for a lot of these folks that have dogs with them.  Some of these people are professional bums.  I've had family members go homeless for legit reasons.  Most aren't going to do anything but smile and say "God Bless"

But I am within my rights to protect my son when the ONE farking meth head gets all pissy that I didn't look him in the eye and ignored him.

OK, so it was just once.  Why then earlier did you make it out that this happens to you all the time?  Hyperbole just weakens any legitimate claim or data you might have actually had.  Now, we can't trust anything you say to be truthful or accurate.


I will take full responsibility that it is because of my sometimes poor writing skills that some came to the conclusion that I was claiming crazy bum rage occured often.

No hyperbole intended.  I can absolutely see how it would be read in that way.  It's a lack of sleep.

I'm going off to the Entertainment tab now to see if there's any yoga pants threads today.

Thank god my vacation starts tomorrow.  Gonna take my Dad to the range to try out the AK47.

lol...it's funny because it's true.
 
2014-06-26 12:33:05 PM

moeburn: I'm Canadian, and I'm glad that we have handguns outlawed.  That being said, I wouldn't go to Afghanistan without a gun, I wouldn't go to Somalia without a gun, and I wouldn't go to the USA without a gun.


They aren't outlawed here. They are restricted and registered.
 
2014-06-26 12:34:00 PM

Serious Post on Serious Thread: Yeah. Gun owners are the equivalent of holocaust gene cide victims.You are a sad pathetic scared little pud.Or am I being trolled?Anyway mental health screenings, regular license renewal, strict transfer rules, and mandatory registry don't trample your 2A rights (which are bullshiat considering any non-moron can read the plain text and see you are full of shiat, including hopefully a non dumb ass future Supreme Court). Any more than screaming fire in a theatre or graffiti on a private home is anti free speech. You're sad. Sad. Sad. Sad. My only hope is you have an accidental discharge while stroking your gun one night, so actual people concerned with hunting, sporting, home defense or even govt overreach can be safe from your stupid farking ilk.


You're slipping.  You forgot the "tiny penis" bit.

You also missed both the point of the quote and something fairly obvious from the text.  The person who made it clearly wasn't a Socialist, or a Trade Unionist, OR a Jew.

As far as the "plain text" of the Second Amendment:  It's a "Right", not a privilege.  It belongs to the "People", not the "Government", or "governmental actors".   And it "shall not be infringed", not even "a little bit".  The Second Amendment enumerates an INDIVIDUAL right, and that right has been INCORPORATED.  Those horses are already out of the barn, and they can't be put back in, unless the Constitution is amended through the formal amendment process (2/3, 3/4), which realistically isn't going to happen.   Your ranting is irrelevant.  :D
 
2014-06-26 12:37:16 PM

Tricky Chicken: Serious Post on Serious Thread: Tricky Chicken: Serious Post on Serious Thread: Tricky Chicken: skozlaw: Tricky Chicken: Treating the mentally ill would also save the lives of the mentally ill. But nobody seems to think the loss of their lives is also tragic. If Lanza had died as a result of ebola even after infecting others, people would feel sorry for him. But since he died as a result of his mental illness, he is a monster.

A typically thoughtless and useless analogy. Kindly explain how the natural transmission of a disease to an unwitting host is similar to a woman intentionally keeping an arsenal in a house with a person known to have several mental disorders.

I can think of no way to make this simpler or more obvious to you than it already is. I am afraid that somebody else would have to point out to me how this is elusive.

One is a wilfull act. The other isn't.

You're not too bright, are you?

No, I am not too bright.

The act of spreading a pathogen based disease is not wilfull, neither is the violence perpetrated by a mentally ill person.  The access to guns is a secondary environmental condition.  If you put a virulent person in the middle of Montana vs the middle of Times Square, the carnage will be different.

the underlying problem is constant.  If you care for the sick person, then in the end, the sick person might survive.  If you don't, they will likely die and kill others in the process.

Guns are irrelevant if you treat the disease.

Only 4 "if" statements to tap dance around your bullshiat?

How's this:
"Don't unknowingly catch Ebola and no one dies". (Untenable).

"Don't have guns in your house with you and your psychopath spawn." (Tenable).

I'll forgo further insults. It'd be like punching a lobotamized puppy at this point.

You really can't fathom healing the sick as better than banning guns?

I don't see how you have made any insults.


I'll take "things that aren't mutually exclusive" for $100 Alex.

Also, banning guns? Lolwut? Strict background checks & mental health screenings, periodic license renewal, strict rules on transfer & sale, a gun registry, mandatory secure storage, high capacity & caliber 'fun guns' stored at a range. (Before the whargarble, yes, I know, mostly unenforcible before hand, like almost ALL laws, but a deterrent factor prospectively, ie, don't take a chance of doing dumb shiat if you might get busted later).
 
2014-06-26 12:38:48 PM
Sorry Shannon Watts.
 
2014-06-26 12:42:01 PM

R.A.Danny: Frank N Stein: Serious Post on Serious Thread: West division street. Most aptly named street ever. To the NE was wicker park hipster ville, to the south farked up ghetto, and where I lived impoverished barrio.

Actually got tossed up against an undercover cop car one night walking home for being, and I quote, word for word, in a "n****r infested neighborhood". I wanted to point out to the Hispanic officer (and his white partner) it was actually a 'spic' infested neighborhood. But it was late and I just wanted to go home and not spend a night in jail with too tight handcuffs and bruised ribs.

Eh, it's not too bad over there. When you said "worst neighborhood" I pictured Englewood and the likes. My followup question would be "why the fark did you live in Englewood?!"

/Logan Square resident btw

I haven't lived in the city for years and years, has Humboldt Park gotten any better?


Yeah it's okay. Of course people complain about on-going gentrification, but fark it. It's making neighborhoods safer and more prosperous.
 
2014-06-26 12:45:23 PM

Secret Master of All Flatulence: Serious Post on Serious Thread: Yeah. Gun owners are the equivalent of holocaust gene cide victims.You are a sad pathetic scared little pud.Or am I being trolled?Anyway mental health screenings, regular license renewal, strict transfer rules, and mandatory registry don't trample your 2A rights (which are bullshiat considering any non-moron can read the plain text and see you are full of shiat, including hopefully a non dumb ass future Supreme Court). Any more than screaming fire in a theatre or graffiti on a private home is anti free speech. You're sad. Sad. Sad. Sad. My only hope is you have an accidental discharge while stroking your gun one night, so actual people concerned with hunting, sporting, home defense or even govt overreach can be safe from your stupid farking ilk.

You're slipping.  You forgot the "tiny penis" bit.

You also missed both the point of the quote and something fairly obvious from the text.  The person who made it clearly wasn't a Socialist, or a Trade Unionist, OR a Jew.

As far as the "plain text" of the Second Amendment:  It's a "Right", not a privilege.  It belongs to the "People", not the "Government", or "governmental actors".   And it "shall not be infringed", not even "a little bit".  The Second Amendment enumerates an INDIVIDUAL right, and that right has been INCORPORATED.  Those horses are already out of the barn, and they can't be put back in, unless the Constitution is amended through the formal amendment process (2/3, 3/4), which realistically isn't going to happen.   Your ranting is irrelevant.  :D


"Well regulated militia" can be reinterpreted anytime by SCOTUS. As well as incorporation. Precedent is persuasive not binding. Your ignorance is irrelevant.

And your bs about the quote is asinine. It was misused by the op and misunderstood by you. Maybe you do need a gun. If stupid is made a crime yr gonna have to fend off a swat team.
 
2014-06-26 12:47:35 PM

Serious Post on Serious Thread: "Well regulated militia" can be reinterpreted anytime by SCOTUS


It was interpreted by the SCOTUS. It will take a half a century before they even think of revisiting that.
 
2014-06-26 12:55:33 PM

Chummer45: The problem is that gun nuts tend to be single issue voters who vote for the GOP based on second amendment bullshiat, but the GOP is the party that is enthusiastically taking the position that money is speech and the more of it in our politics, the better.


Just as so many gay people are such single issue voters that they will not vote for even an openly gay candidate if s/he has an (R) after her/his name...

The problem with the various "campaign finance reform" bills is that they are generally geared towards banning the other side's supporters, while protecting their side's supporters from the process.  Prime example:  Banning contributions from groups like the NRA, while allowing contributions from groups like SEIU, and vice-versa.
 
2014-06-26 01:02:43 PM

R.A.Danny: Serious Post on Serious Thread: "Well regulated militia" can be reinterpreted anytime by SCOTUS

It was interpreted by the SCOTUS. It will take a half a century before they even think of revisiting that.


Ever tire of being wrong?
West Coast Hotel v. Parrish 14 years

Keyishian v. Board of Regents 10 years

Lawrence v. Texas 17 years

Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission 7 years (partial)

Mapp v. Ohio 12 years
 
2014-06-26 01:04:54 PM
I worked as a collections agent... repo-man in Philly and surrounding areas...

I have taken cars from trenton, camden, south, west, north and eastern philly...
The only time I ever was really scared, or otherwise in fear for my life was in the suburbs when walking up to the door of a resident a nutjob with a semi auto weapon put a couple rounds (somewhere, I only heard them) out while yelling crazy shiat...

I did not carry any weapons, ever while working.
Car was not there, his girlfriend (the owner) had slipped out to Atlantic City with another dude...
we got the location and collected.

I also bought new undergarments...

The suburbs and boonies are far more dangerous because of nutjobs with inferiority complexes and paranoia with weapons to soothe their fear than the city.
That is only my experience though...
 
2014-06-26 01:05:07 PM
"BuzzPo.com is a right-leaning blog that believes, as Andrew Breitbart said..."

i.gyazo.com
 
2014-06-26 01:05:12 PM

Giltric: squirrelflavoredyogurt: Here's a link to another article which suggests the CCW didn't STOP shiat, the manger was stabbed 5-6 times, the CCW just chased him down and held him at gunpoint until the cops arrived.

http://www.wdam.com/story/25019587/lumberton-stabbing-sends-store-ma na ger-to-hospital

Also, it wasn't a random bad guy out to stab someone, it was a disgruntled employee who was out stab specifically this guy.

I'd say the CCW was a minor help in the apprehension of the guy whom they probably would have caught anyway. If I were the manager I would have preferred the CCW call the police and get some pressure on my wounds as opposed to chasing the bad guy out of the store.

Of course if you have a gun your probably looking be the hero who stops the bad guy and not the person who helps keep the already bleeding from multiple stab wounds to the neck, chest, and arm guy alive.

Your article doesnt specifically say the CCW holder just stood their as the manager was stabbed.

Which is what it would say if he didnt stop the attack.....right?

Anti gun types arent willing to admit that anyone with a CCW has ever stopped any attack.

Confirmation bias....


My article doesn't specifically state that he stopped the attack, which it would if he had right?

Since he was attacked successfully 5-6 times, I'd say he wasn't successful in stopping the attack. Since it says he "chased him down" I'd pretty much say it confirms he finished with the stabbing and left before he was "chased down". You don't chase down something that is standing still stabbing someone. Every verb in the article indicates that he, in no way, stopped the attack.

I would actually be much happier if he'd shot the guy and stopped the attack. Yep, I know it sounds strange coming from a libtard such as I, but if someone is going to get killed or seriously hurt, I want it to be the person who wants to inflict harm on others. Sadly, it didn't happen like that. As I stated previously, were I the stab victim, I would have much rather the CC permit holder stop and help me rather then going after the fleeing idiot.

I'm not an anti-gun type, I don't currently own one, but I have owned both a 12 and 20 gauge shotgun previously and I used to hunt. I'm not against anyone owning one who isn't a felon or mentally unfit. Yes, I'm all for taking them away from people who have threatened to use them to kill people, especially multiple people. If you can't control your own emotions, you aren't fit to own a gun.

Thanks for pigeon-holing me as anti-gun because I simply stated that the CC permit holder didn't actually do what was claimed in the initial biased story though. I bet you'll get father with most rational intelligent people by immediately attacking someone who disagrees with you rather than having enough of an open mind to consider that you might actually not have all the facts.
 
2014-06-26 01:07:38 PM

Secret Master of All Flatulence: Serious Post on Serious Thread: Yeah. Gun owners are the equivalent of holocaust gene cide victims.You are a sad pathetic scared little pud.Or am I being trolled?Anyway mental health screenings, regular license renewal, strict transfer rules, and mandatory registry don't trample your 2A rights (which are bullshiat considering any non-moron can read the plain text and see you are full of shiat, including hopefully a non dumb ass future Supreme Court). Any more than screaming fire in a theatre or graffiti on a private home is anti free speech. You're sad. Sad. Sad. Sad. My only hope is you have an accidental discharge while stroking your gun one night, so actual people concerned with hunting, sporting, home defense or even govt overreach can be safe from your stupid farking ilk.

You're slipping.  You forgot the "tiny penis" bit.

You also missed both the point of the quote and something fairly obvious from the text.  The person who made it clearly wasn't a Socialist, or a Trade Unionist, OR a Jew.

As far as the "plain text" of the Second Amendment:  It's a "Right", not a privilege.  It belongs to the "People", not the "Government", or "governmental actors".   And it "shall not be infringed", not even "a little bit".  The Second Amendment enumerates an INDIVIDUAL right, and that right has been INCORPORATED.  Those horses are already out of the barn, and they can't be put back in, unless the Constitution is amended through the formal amendment process (2/3, 3/4), which realistically isn't going to happen.   Your ranting is irrelevant.  :D


Personally i want to know where the victims got the Gene Cider.  Is it a Gene Simmons brand?  Or, was genocide meant and I misread the misspell
 
2014-06-26 01:07:43 PM

Serious Post on Serious Thread: "Well regulated militia" can be reinterpreted anytime by SCOTUS. As well as incorporation. Precedent is persuasive not binding. Your ignorance is irrelevant.

And your bs about the quote is asinine. It was misused by the op and misunderstood by you. Maybe you do need a gun. If stupid is made a crime yr gonna have to fend off a swat team.


Can you cite a SINGLE example of a right going from an individual to a collective one after SCOTUS has explicitly ruled that it was, in fact, an individual one?  Didn't think so.  Can you cite a SINGLE example where an Incorporated right became "unIncorporated" (does such a word even exist?  I'd check my copy of Black's, but it's at the office) after SCOTUS explicitly Incorporated it?

The Left has as much chance of doing what you seem to think is "right around the corner" as the Right has of having Brown v Topeka Board thrown out.  Good luck with it.

BTW:  I've got plenty of guns.  Belt-fed machineguns.  Submachineguns.  What Joe Biden would call "Sawed off" shotguns.  Sound Suppressors.  The cops know about them, and are OK with me having them.

/FSM, how I do so love living where I live.
 
2014-06-26 01:11:12 PM

Serious Post on Serious Thread: R.A.Danny: It was interpreted by the SCOTUS. It will take a half a century before they even think of revisiting that.

Ever tire of being wrong?


Given how long it took for them to revisit Miller, even after a bunch of different circuits had truly screwed interpretations of it?  Uh, right.  Good luck with that.
 
2014-06-26 01:18:05 PM
As bad as this blog is, I'm only going to comment this much.

Do I believe every person in the country needs a gun? Nope.
Do I think guns should be harder to get, as in there should be a background check and registration should indicate the person who actually owns the gun? Yep.
Do I think that if you carry you should be required to take a safety course? Yep.

Now, that said, this is why I prefer CCW owners to open carry.

1. They're much more likely to be trained on firearm safety.
2. They don't feel the need to needlessly flash a gun all over the place purely for the sake of proving a point.

I'm far from being a gun nut, but I'm very much not willing to mix up the CCWs with the open carry crazytards.
 
2014-06-26 01:19:36 PM

Frank N Stein: Serious Post on Serious Thread: I mean sweet jebus, I've lived in the worst neighborhoods of NYC, Chicago, Boston

What Chicago neighborhood did you live in?


The one Barak Obama was a community organizer for?
 
2014-06-26 01:20:47 PM

cwolf20: Secret Master of All Flatulence: Serious Post on Serious Thread: Yeah. Gun owners are the equivalent of holocaust gene cide victims.You are a sad pathetic scared little pud.Or am I being trolled?Anyway mental health screenings, regular license renewal, strict transfer rules, and mandatory registry don't trample your 2A rights (which are bullshiat considering any non-moron can read the plain text and see you are full of shiat, including hopefully a non dumb ass future Supreme Court). Any more than screaming fire in a theatre or graffiti on a private home is anti free speech. You're sad. Sad. Sad. Sad. My only hope is you have an accidental discharge while stroking your gun one night, so actual people concerned with hunting, sporting, home defense or even govt overreach can be safe from your stupid farking ilk.

You're slipping.  You forgot the "tiny penis" bit.

You also missed both the point of the quote and something fairly obvious from the text.  The person who made it clearly wasn't a Socialist, or a Trade Unionist, OR a Jew.

As far as the "plain text" of the Second Amendment:  It's a "Right", not a privilege.  It belongs to the "People", not the "Government", or "governmental actors".   And it "shall not be infringed", not even "a little bit".  The Second Amendment enumerates an INDIVIDUAL right, and that right has been INCORPORATED.  Those horses are already out of the barn, and they can't be put back in, unless the Constitution is amended through the formal amendment process (2/3, 3/4), which realistically isn't going to happen.   Your ranting is irrelevant.  :D

Personally i want to know where the victims got the Gene Cider.  Is it a Gene Simmons brand?  Or, was genocide meant and I misread the misspell


If you drink anything made by Gene Simmons, you will likely die. So close.

/bad auto correct on my bad typing
//STRUTTER!
 
2014-06-26 01:22:27 PM

lewismarktwo: You gonna get shot! PEWPEWPEWPEWPEPWPEW!


Rapid fire comment?

I suppose it's not illegal to install a bump stock on your Ctrl+V.
 
2014-06-26 01:23:13 PM
I don't need a gun. I've got a Donk.

img.fark.net
 
2014-06-26 01:34:15 PM

Elegy: dookdookdook: onyxruby: I'm no tea party sympathizer, but the idea of restricting rights based on political party affiliation strikes me as a very nazi like attitude.

"Tea Party" != "Republican".  They'll be the first to tell you that.

Anyway, the fact that hoarding guns and calling for armed revolution against government employees and fantasizing about solving all of life's problems like you're Marshall Dillon mowing down criminal scum are defining characteristics of Tea Partiers is purely coincidental.  Saying "Tea Partiers" is just simpler.

Want to know why gun legislation that limits access to guns based on a prior history of mental illness will never pass in America?

:: holds up mirror ::

It's because of people like you! Congratulations!


Umm... It's already illegal for people that have been adjudicated to be mentally ill or have been involuntarily institutionalized to be in possession of, purchase or transfer a firearm.

But please... continue your rambling.
 
2014-06-26 01:34:32 PM

TerminalEchoes: I don't need a gun. I've got a Donk.

[img.fark.net image 320x240]


I don't need a Donk, I've got a 9 year old daughter with her "Sparkly Purple and Pink My Little Pony" AR-15A2 HBAR.

/When she was 6 years old, she needed something with extremely light recoil
 
2014-06-26 01:40:23 PM

FTDA: Frank N Stein: Serious Post on Serious Thread: I mean sweet jebus, I've lived in the worst neighborhoods of NYC, Chicago, Boston

What Chicago neighborhood did you live in?

The one Barak Obama was a community organizer for?


Damn, you STILL butthurt over a blah man as president?

Get over it already, it's just sad now.
 
2014-06-26 01:41:16 PM

superdude72: Did anyone notice this article is bullshiat?

For sourcing, we have: "I of course called Keith's Superstore in Lumberton, MS to find out what their logic was. Long story short, they were quite rude, and refused to answer any questions pertaining to this incident. "

The also credit Mississippi Gun News with providing content for the article. So, can we have a link to their article, which presumably shows its sources? Um, sorry, just a link to their website, no specific article.

In other words: this story could very well be made up.


I live about 25 miles away.  I was thinking of driving up to Poplarville this afternoon; Lumberton's just a few miles further.  I can check on the veracity for those of you who haven't already jumped to a conclusion.

/i won't be rude, promise
 
2014-06-26 01:43:46 PM
White_Scarf_Syndrome:

I've never had to actually point it.  He saw that I was reaching and backed off.

Normally I do just sit and "be uncomfortable", but that is usually when I'm alone.  When I have my son I get a little Mama Bear thing going on.  You don't know what it's like until you live in this farking town.  It is almost quite literally EVERY intersection has some person there begging.


Got it - you were being hypothetical.

/ "Almost quite literally EVERY" - love it!
// Rational, responsible, reasonable CCW for the win!
/// "Don't think of it as strapping on a gun, think of it as strapping on angel wings." -my CCW instructor.
 
2014-06-26 01:45:33 PM

Serious Post on Serious Thread: Damn, you STILL butthurt over a blah man as president?

Get over it already, it's just sad now.


What's the point of saying "blah" instead of just "black"?
 
2014-06-26 02:00:43 PM

Frank N Stein: Serious Post on Serious Thread: Damn, you STILL butthurt over a blah man as president?

Get over it already, it's just sad now.

What's the point of saying "blah" instead of just "black"?


Not really sure genesis. It kinda just sounds funny, and I assume it's a play on the much asserted but obvious lie that the super crazy baggers didn't in large part go off the super duper deep end because of O's race.
 
2014-06-26 02:01:26 PM
One thing I don't understand about how people think:  When you're in the driver's seat of your car with the car being on, you have a far more lethal weapon at your disposal than a firearm.  Really.  You're basically in control of a multi-ton highly guidable missile, one that ACCIDENTALLY kills more human beings a year than all intentional AND unintentional shootings kill in this country.  You can steer it around corners, and you can correct it's aim literally right up to the last second of impact.  So why do I keep hearing about drivers feeling "trapped" by somebody standing either in front of or behind said vehicle?  The person standing there is a person.  You're IN a frikkin' WEAPON, if you choose to use it as such.

/Sorry, that's just a pet peeve of mine
 
2014-06-26 02:03:31 PM
thedumbone:  /// "Don't think of it as strapping on a gun, think of it as strapping on angel wings." -my CCW instructor.

I hope you're kidding.  A gun is a tool, it's not a magic wand.
 
2014-06-26 02:08:15 PM

Serious Post on Serious Thread: Frank N Stein: Serious Post on Serious Thread: Damn, you STILL butthurt over a blah man as president?

Get over it already, it's just sad now.

What's the point of saying "blah" instead of just "black"?

Not really sure genesis. It kinda just sounds funny, and I assume it's a play on the much asserted but obvious lie that the super crazy baggers didn't in large part go off the super duper deep end because of O's race.


Ah ok. Just a fun word play type deal. I thought there might be some inside joke that I wasn't getting.
 
2014-06-26 02:08:34 PM

rooftop235: Sounds like a move by the upper management. I'll bet the manager who got stabbed would rather have that sign down. But then again, maybe it is a good idea because the gun totin' zealots might pop out of the woodwork.


As a 'moderate' gun totin' zealot I can assure you that posting the sign is like waving a flag at a bull.

dualplains: Almost all. But you can insert the 'guns' into ALL the 'mass shootings', so, yeah. Guns are the problem.

/Why is this math so hard?


That's only because you're looking at 'mass shootings' and not 'mass killings'.  The largest mass killings in the country are traditionally all arson.  Using explosives is fairly rare in the country, but about as effective on average as a spree shooter.

Chummer45: So two guys suddenly became homicidal maniacs determined to murder a random stranger for no reason whatsoever, but then totally came to their senses when they realized you had a gun? I sense a whiff of bullshiat in the air.


1.  Who said they were 'homicidal maniacs'?  They could just be marginal psychopaths.
2.  They weren't after a random stranger, they got a random stranger
3.  Don't you remember all the stories about crooks running away when they hear a 12 gauge pump?  You're definitely smelling shiat, but it's not from a bull.

Chummer45: Fun fact: many gun stores and gun shows don't allow concealed or open carry of loaded guns.


True, but this is often imposed on them for liability purposes.  Last several I went to amounted to openly carried firearms needed to be locked open with a zip tie, and concealed firearms were not to be pulled unless there was a critical need.

You want armed though, visit a jewelry show.

squirrelflavoredyogurt: Since he was attacked successfully 5-6 times, I'd say he wasn't successful in stopping the attack. Since it says he "chased him down" I'd pretty much say it confirms he finished with the stabbing and left before he was "chased down". You don't chase down something that is standing still stabbing someone. Every verb in the article indicates that he, in no way, stopped the attack.


Stabbing somebody 5-6 times takes what, 2-3 seconds?  He could have seen the guy pulling the gun and decided to run, to which the CCW'er responded by chasing.  Doesn't mean that he didn't stop the attack.
 
2014-06-26 02:08:51 PM

Secret Master of All Flatulence: A gun is a tool, it's not a magic wand.


This.

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2014-06-26 02:17:11 PM

feckingmorons: I don't go to businesses that have no gun signs. I usually carry a gun.

I do go to the post office, but I can secure my gun in a locked compartment in my car. Few violent crimes in the Post Office, lots of violent crimes in stores and gas stations, and restaurants.


In all fairness, there is not much money to be robbed from a Post Office.  Plus you immediately have the FBI on your tracks if you do.  High risk with little reward.
 
2014-06-26 02:24:28 PM

Egoy3k: Gun bans are not intended to stop robberies and nobody thinks that they are.  They are intended to prevent liability from falling on the property owner when an angry old fart shoots someone for texting in a theater or some clumsy jackass accidentally shoots someone.  So in other words the gun bans are not caused by 'gun grabbers' but by a few irresponsible gun owners creating risks that could financially impact a business.


Well shiat, when you put it like that you make most of this thread look like idiots.  Now why'd you have to go and do a thing like that?
 
2014-06-26 02:33:39 PM

FreakyBunny: dookdookdook:

Hey, if it were up to me (and most of the rest of the civilized world) Cheney and Bush would be about 10 years into their 40 year prison sentences as we speak.

Or is this more "a Bubba with a hunting rifle can keep the US Marines in check because liberty and freedom and guerrilla warfare and such"?

All of this. Cheney and Bush broke international law and as a consequence over 100,000 people were killed. As if that wasn't not bad enough, all the work they did is being undone by a few thousand thugs who are taking over the country whose freedom only cost them 1.7 trillion dollars, and over 5,000 American lives. How do these guys get a pass? Is it that the scale of these atrocities are so utterly incomprehensible?

A thousand Bubbas couldn't withstand the might of the American Army. The thought that a few guys with rifles could do much damage to a drone or an Apache is absurd. The whole "we gotta protecer erseffs from the guvernment" doesn't wash.



Errr. Aforementioned ISIS just took over most of Iraqi with about 3,000 bubba's  and an army/populace that didn't like the federal. That's the jist of how some expect it'd go down in the US if the military was ordered to fire on civilians armed or otherwise.

So, yeah.
 
2014-06-26 02:35:55 PM

primarycolorman: FreakyBunny: dookdookdook:

Hey, if it were up to me (and most of the rest of the civilized world) Cheney and Bush would be about 10 years into their 40 year prison sentences as we speak.

Or is this more "a Bubba with a hunting rifle can keep the US Marines in check because liberty and freedom and guerrilla warfare and such"?

All of this. Cheney and Bush broke international law and as a consequence over 100,000 people were killed. As if that wasn't not bad enough, all the work they did is being undone by a few thousand thugs who are taking over the country whose freedom only cost them 1.7 trillion dollars, and over 5,000 American lives. How do these guys get a pass? Is it that the scale of these atrocities are so utterly incomprehensible?

A thousand Bubbas couldn't withstand the might of the American Army. The thought that a few guys with rifles could do much damage to a drone or an Apache is absurd. The whole "we gotta protecer erseffs from the guvernment" doesn't wash.


Errr. Aforementioned ISIS just took over most of Iraqi with about 3,000 bubba's  and an army/populace that didn't like the federal. That's the jist of how some expect it'd go down in the US if the military was ordered to fire on civilians armed or otherwise.

So, yeah.



So then....  Why is it important for U.S. Civilians to be armed again?
 
2014-06-26 02:38:57 PM

Chummer45: So then....  Why is it important for U.S. Civilians to be armed again?


It doesn't need to be important to be a right.
 
2014-06-26 02:40:18 PM

primarycolorman: Aforementioned ISIS just took over most of Iraqi with about 3,000 bubba's and an army/populace that didn't like the federal.


You are hilariously misinformed.
 
2014-06-26 02:48:36 PM

Serious Post on Serious Thread: FTDA: Frank N Stein: Serious Post on Serious Thread: I mean sweet jebus, I've lived in the worst neighborhoods of NYC, Chicago, Boston

What Chicago neighborhood did you live in?

The one Barak Obama was a community organizer for?

Damn, you STILL butthurt over a blah man as president?

Get over it already, it's just sad now.


Nope, but I knew I could bait a hook with that comment and at least get one bite!
 
2014-06-26 02:49:20 PM

TheGregiss: You definately should have murdered them for trying to find out who was roaming around on their neighbors property during a storm. You big hero.

You trolling? These weren't my neighbors.  I know my neighbors.  These were guys who came looking for somebody and stated clearly that they intended to kill me (when they thought I might be him) at night during a black-out. Maybe they were looking for somebody who used to live there since I had only recently moved in. I dunno.

Chummer45: So two guys suddenly became homicidal maniacs determined to murder a random stranger for no reason whatsoever, but then totally came to their senses when they realized you had a gun?    I sense a whiff of bullshiat in the air.

Check your pants then. They were trying to sneak up on and do great harm to somebody that was unprepared to deal with them. A gun and a clear intent to put it to use made them rethink their strategy. They were clearly capable of rational thought, so they weren't maniacs, just homicidal. Maybe they finally agreed it was a case of mistaken identity because they guy they meant to go after didn't own/carry guns and would never hurt a fly. Don't ask me to explain their thinking, I can only explain mine.
 
2014-06-26 02:51:29 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: You are hilariously misinformed.


That is what has been rolling on NPR for the last two weeks. Feel free to argue it with their fact-check department. Sure, they are making use of local thugs to do some of the work but.. we've got those too.
 
2014-06-26 02:54:47 PM

FTDA: Serious Post on Serious Thread: FTDA: Frank N Stein: Serious Post on Serious Thread: I mean sweet jebus, I've lived in the worst neighborhoods of NYC, Chicago, Boston

What Chicago neighborhood did you live in?

The one Barak Obama was a community organizer for?

Damn, you STILL butthurt over a blah man as president?

Get over it already, it's just sad now.

Nope, but I knew I could bait a hook with that comment and at least get one bite!


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2014-06-26 03:00:32 PM

Chummer45: So then.... Why is it important for U.S. Civilians to be armed again?


Because local authorities have a long, long history in this nation of suspending or circumventing civil rights of minority groups that weren't armed and organized. It's supposedly the finally protection for a 2% minority that can't swing enough weight to prevent getting squished politically. And brother, we've squished some minorities in this nation over the years.
 
2014-06-26 03:14:47 PM

GoldSpider: feckingmorons: I guess I'm a gun totin' zealot, but if I'm ever shot at again I want to be able to shoot back.

It sounds like you frequently put yourself into places/situations where you fear you may be shot at.  I wonder why that is.


I've only been shot at twice. Once when I was a police officer. I didn't shoot back because I didn't have an adequate back stop.

The second was when I stopped to help an elderly couple with what appeared to be just a broken down car, they were being robbed at that time. I had to go back to my car for a gun. Now I carry a gun almost all the time. I may help another elderly couple some day.
 
2014-06-26 03:17:04 PM

KeatingFive: feckingmorons: I don't go to businesses that have no gun signs. I usually carry a gun.

I do go to the post office, but I can secure my gun in a locked compartment in my car. Few violent crimes in the Post Office, lots of violent crimes in stores and gas stations, and restaurants.

Businesses are free to make any rules regarding guns they wish. There are always other options for me.

I guess I'm a gun totin' zealot, but if I'm ever shot at again I want to be able to shoot back.

You won't have a chance. That's real life. I know in your mind you're Clint Eastwood starring in your own personal movie.

But that's actually a mental disorder.


I don't have to shoot the criminal. or stop him, or capture him, or do anything else but get my arse out of there. I'm not the cops these days. If I'm shooting at him he will hide so I can run away screaming like a little girl. I'm good with that.
 
2014-06-26 03:25:05 PM

Serious Post on Serious Thread: I'm guessing your screen name is self referential.Where the fark do you shop/live in the US where you are regularly shot at? Do you frequent illegal gambling dens? Whore houses? Chicken fight basements? White supremacist meetings? Ameature bomb making conventions? Retard friendly gun conventions?I mean sweet jebus, I've lived in the worst neighborhoods of NYC, Chicago, Boston and borderline shiatholes of London and Prague. And the "lots of violent crimes in stores, and gas stations, and restaurants" delusion you have is delusional.shiat happens, but I'm more afraid of some asshole deciding he's gotta stand his ground against a kid in a hoodie or 'shoot back' in some situation hr created playing Dirty Harry and I get caught by friendly fire than I am of finding myself a victim in a bank robbery.You are nuts. Completely paranoid delusional. And a sad example of an adult who still believes the boogie man lives under his bed. Pathetic. Frankly I wouldn't care if not for the fact you are the greatest danger to me and mines safety than any made up fantasy Charleton Heston tripe you believe.


No my name is plural, it refers to a group of other people such as yourself.

I never said I was regularly shot at. I've been shot at twice in my life, one was related to my occupation the second was happenstance. If it should happen a third time I should like to have the proper tools with which to defend myself readily at hand.

We don't generally use the word retard, it is insensitive and shows a lack of adequate vocabulary and a cogent means to express oneself.

I'm fairly certain one of us is nuts, but I don't think it is me.

It is too bad you can't have a civil discourse without insulting people. Have a nice life.
 
2014-06-26 03:46:27 PM

feckingmorons: Serious Post on Serious Thread: I'm guessing your screen name is self referential.Where the fark do you shop/live in the US where you are regularly shot at? Do you frequent illegal gambling dens? Whore houses? Chicken fight basements? White supremacist meetings? Ameature bomb making conventions? Retard friendly gun conventions?I mean sweet jebus, I've lived in the worst neighborhoods of NYC, Chicago, Boston and borderline shiatholes of London and Prague. And the "lots of violent crimes in stores, and gas stations, and restaurants" delusion you have is delusional.shiat happens, but I'm more afraid of some asshole deciding he's gotta stand his ground against a kid in a hoodie or 'shoot back' in some situation hr created playing Dirty Harry and I get caught by friendly fire than I am of finding myself a victim in a bank robbery.You are nuts. Completely paranoid delusional. And a sad example of an adult who still believes the boogie man lives under his bed. Pathetic. Frankly I wouldn't care if not for the fact you are the greatest danger to me and mines safety than any made up fantasy Charleton Heston tripe you believe.

No my name is plural, it refers to a group of other people such as yourself.

I never said I was regularly shot at. I've been shot at twice in my life, one was related to my occupation the second was happenstance. If it should happen a third time I should like to have the proper tools with which to defend myself readily at hand.

We don't generally use the word retard, it is insensitive and shows a lack of adequate vocabulary and a cogent means to express oneself.

I'm fairly certain one of us is nuts, but I don't think it is me.

It is too bad you can't have a civil discourse without insulting people. Have a nice life.


You sound retarded.

welcome_to_f...

Oh nevermind.

Also oh, maybe if some basic gun law reform (no one will take your binky, pinky swear, unless you fail the psych exam, so ok, maybe someone will take your binky) could be discussed without GUN GRABBER LIBTARDS maybe non pejorative discourse would ensue.
 
2014-06-26 03:54:28 PM
FreakyBunny:  A thousand Bubbas couldn't withstand the might of the American Army. The thought that a few guys with rifles could do much damage to a drone or an Apache is absurd. The whole "we gotta protecer erseffs from the guvernment" doesn't wash.

You're assuming that the American military would open fire on the American people if they refuse to be disarmed.  That's REALLY not a foregone conclusion.  You might want to do a little reading about how the "Zetas" recruit members of the Mexican military, and that's strictly for monetary compensation in a drug cartel, which is about as far away from a Civil Rights issue as you can get.
 
2014-06-26 04:04:05 PM

Serious Post on Serious Thread: feckingmorons: Serious Post on Serious Thread: I'm guessing your screen name is self referential.Where the fark do you shop/live in the US where you are regularly shot at? Do you frequent illegal gambling dens? Whore houses? Chicken fight basements? White supremacist meetings? Ameature bomb making conventions? Retard friendly gun conventions?I mean sweet jebus, I've lived in the worst neighborhoods of NYC, Chicago, Boston and borderline shiatholes of London and Prague. And the "lots of violent crimes in stores, and gas stations, and restaurants" delusion you have is delusional.shiat happens, but I'm more afraid of some asshole deciding he's gotta stand his ground against a kid in a hoodie or 'shoot back' in some situation hr created playing Dirty Harry and I get caught by friendly fire than I am of finding myself a victim in a bank robbery.You are nuts. Completely paranoid delusional. And a sad example of an adult who still believes the boogie man lives under his bed. Pathetic. Frankly I wouldn't care if not for the fact you are the greatest danger to me and mines safety than any made up fantasy Charleton Heston tripe you believe.

No my name is plural, it refers to a group of other people such as yourself.

I never said I was regularly shot at. I've been shot at twice in my life, one was related to my occupation the second was happenstance. If it should happen a third time I should like to have the proper tools with which to defend myself readily at hand.

We don't generally use the word retard, it is insensitive and shows a lack of adequate vocabulary and a cogent means to express oneself.

I'm fairly certain one of us is nuts, but I don't think it is me.

It is too bad you can't have a civil discourse without insulting people. Have a nice life.

You sound retarded.

welcome_to_f...

Oh nevermind.

Also oh, maybe if some basic gun law reform (no one will take your binky, pinky swear, unless you fail the psych exam, so ok, maybe someone will take your binky) co ...


Oh, you mean like this discussion from last week on Fark, or the countless others to which I won't link.

What 'basic gun law reform' do you want? You don't propose anything, you just insult people. I'm happy to have a rational discussion if you're able.
 
2014-06-26 04:23:06 PM

feckingmorons: Serious Post on Serious Thread: feckingmorons: Serious Post on Serious Thread: I'm guessing your screen name is self referential.Where the fark do you shop/live in the US where you are regularly shot at? Do you frequent illegal gambling dens? Whore houses? Chicken fight basements? White supremacist meetings? Ameature bomb making conventions? Retard friendly gun conventions?I mean sweet jebus, I've lived in the worst neighborhoods of NYC, Chicago, Boston and borderline shiatholes of London and Prague. And the "lots of violent crimes in stores, and gas stations, and restaurants" delusion you have is delusional.shiat happens, but I'm more afraid of some asshole deciding he's gotta stand his ground against a kid in a hoodie or 'shoot back' in some situation hr created playing Dirty Harry and I get caught by friendly fire than I am of finding myself a victim in a bank robbery.You are nuts. Completely paranoid delusional. And a sad example of an adult who still believes the boogie man lives under his bed. Pathetic. Frankly I wouldn't care if not for the fact you are the greatest danger to me and mines safety than any made up fantasy Charleton Heston tripe you believe.

No my name is plural, it refers to a group of other people such as yourself.

I never said I was regularly shot at. I've been shot at twice in my life, one was related to my occupation the second was happenstance. If it should happen a third time I should like to have the proper tools with which to defend myself readily at hand.

We don't generally use the word retard, it is insensitive and shows a lack of adequate vocabulary and a cogent means to express oneself.

I'm fairly certain one of us is nuts, but I don't think it is me.

It is too bad you can't have a civil discourse without insulting people. Have a nice life.

You sound retarded.

welcome_to_f...

Oh nevermind.

Also oh, maybe if some basic gun law reform (no one will take your binky, pinky swear, unless you fail the psych exam, so ok, maybe someone will take your binky) co ...

Oh, you mean like this discussion from last week on Fark, or the countless others to which I won't link.

What 'basic gun law reform' do you want? You don't propose anything, you just insult people. I'm happy to have a rational discussion if you're able.


I proposed this up thread already.

There are more. But I'm not digging more at the moment. And as an anticipatory wrote response to your almost certain wrote response: You:"but bad guys won't follow these laws so no laws!"

Me:"So laws against stealing don't stop theft so we shouldn't have those either!"

You know the same crap over and over again. Maybe with more "you can't pass a gun law if you can't field strip and reassemble all firearms blindfolded, with your hands tied behind your back, during a hurricane."
 
2014-06-26 04:24:40 PM

Serious Post on Serious Thread: feckingmorons: Serious Post on Serious Thread: feckingmorons: Serious Post on Serious Thread: I'm guessing your screen name is self referential.Where the fark do you shop/live in the US where you are regularly shot at? Do you frequent illegal gambling dens? Whore houses? Chicken fight basements? White supremacist meetings? Ameature bomb making conventions? Retard friendly gun conventions?I mean sweet jebus, I've lived in the worst neighborhoods of NYC, Chicago, Boston and borderline shiatholes of London and Prague. And the "lots of violent crimes in stores, and gas stations, and restaurants" delusion you have is delusional.shiat happens, but I'm more afraid of some asshole deciding he's gotta stand his ground against a kid in a hoodie or 'shoot back' in some situation hr created playing Dirty Harry and I get caught by friendly fire than I am of finding myself a victim in a bank robbery.You are nuts. Completely paranoid delusional. And a sad example of an adult who still believes the boogie man lives under his bed. Pathetic. Frankly I wouldn't care if not for the fact you are the greatest danger to me and mines safety than any made up fantasy Charleton Heston tripe you believe.

No my name is plural, it refers to a group of other people such as yourself.

I never said I was regularly shot at. I've been shot at twice in my life, one was related to my occupation the second was happenstance. If it should happen a third time I should like to have the proper tools with which to defend myself readily at hand.

We don't generally use the word retard, it is insensitive and shows a lack of adequate vocabulary and a cogent means to express oneself.

I'm fairly certain one of us is nuts, but I don't think it is me.

It is too bad you can't have a civil discourse without insulting people. Have a nice life.

You sound retarded.

welcome_to_f...

Oh nevermind.

Also oh, maybe if some basic gun law reform (no one will take your binky, pinky swear, unless you fail the psych exam, so ok, maybe someone will take your binky) co ...

Oh, you mean like this discussion from last week on Fark, or the countless others to which I won't link.

What 'basic gun law reform' do you want? You don't propose anything, you just insult people. I'm happy to have a rational discussion if you're able.

I proposed this up thread already.

There are more. But I'm not digging more at the moment. And as an anticipatory wrote response to your almost certain wrote response: You:"but bad guys won't follow these laws so no laws!"

Me:"So laws against stealing don't stop theft so we shouldn't have those either!"

You know the same crap over and over again. Maybe with more "you can't pass a gun law if you can't field strip and reassemble all firearms blindfolded, with your hands tied behind your back, during a hurricane."


Oh, in case you can't control+f

"Strict background checks & mental health screenings, periodic license renewal, strict rules on transfer & sale, a gun registry, mandatory secure storage, high capacity & caliber 'fun guns' stored at a range. (Before the whargarble, yes, I know, mostly unenforcible before hand, like almost ALL laws, but a deterrent factor prospectively, ie, don't take a chance of doing dumb shiat if you might get busted later)."
 
2014-06-26 04:44:12 PM

Secret Master of All Flatulence: FreakyBunny:  A thousand Bubbas couldn't withstand the might of the American Army. The thought that a few guys with rifles could do much damage to a drone or an Apache is absurd. The whole "we gotta protecer erseffs from the guvernment" doesn't wash.

You're assuming that the American military would open fire on the American people if they refuse to be disarmed.  That's REALLY not a foregone conclusion.  You might want to do a little reading about how the "Zetas" recruit members of the Mexican military, and that's strictly for monetary compensation in a drug cartel, which is about as far away from a Civil Rights issue as you can get.


People should Google the "Oath Keepers." It's a fark ton of police and service people who have taken an oath never to turn their weapons onto civilians, and dessert their respective agencies if they were even given commands that went against the rights of the people.
 
2014-06-26 04:54:20 PM

Serious Post on Serious Thread: "Strict background checks & mental health screenings, periodic license renewal, strict rules on transfer & sale, a gun registry, mandatory secure storage, high capacity & caliber 'fun guns' stored at a range. (Before the whargarble, yes, I know, mostly unenforcible before hand, like almost ALL laws, but a deterrent factor prospectively, ie, don't take a chance of doing dumb shiat if you might get busted later)."


"Strict background checks & mental health screenings, periodic license renewal, strict rules on transfer & sale, a gun registry, mandatory secure storage, high capacity & caliber 'fun guns' stored at a range. (Before the whargarble, yes, I know, mostly unenforcible before hand, like almost ALL laws, but a deterrent factor prospectively, ie, don't take a chance of doing dumb shiat if you might get busted later)."

Strict background checks, we have those already. Perhaps you want to include private party sales. That is sort of hard to do with a federal law, but I'm not opposed to it. You should be able to transfer a firearm to someone who has a valid FOID, or concealed weapon permit or some similar state issued ID (or a policeman or FBI agent or something like that) without additional screening. You should also be required to keep a bill of sale at your house that can be obtained by Court order. Most responsible gun owners are doing that or using a FFL to assist with the transfer.

Mental health screenings, heck I think that would be fantastic. I'm not sure how we would implement it though. You can't really force people to go to the doctor unless they're already unstable.

What kind of license? There is no federal license. I own a fully automatic machine gun and I have a tax stamp, and I had to fill out forms and papers and send them to the ATF and if I move I have to update them, but there is no license.

I'm all for mandatory secure storage. In Ireland we have that, depending on the number of guns it can be anything from a locked metal box to require a home alarm system and built in vault. Most responsible gun owners are already doing that.

I don't really see how one 30 round magazine is much different from 3 10 round magazines so the whole high capacity thing is a mystery to me. The Newtown murderer used many small magazines. The Virginia Tech murderer did as well I don't research these things but I don't recall anyone using a high capacity magazine. As to high caliber 'fun guns' you really can't shoot a 50 caliber gun at an indoor range that would be equipped for storage. Those have to be shot outdoors. It seems unwise to have a building full of other people's guns because of the danger of theft. If a FFL has a burglary he knows right away and is required to report it to the local police and the ATF. If Bob's gun range has a burglary it may not know for quite some time. If someone broke into my home and forced the safe open and stole a gun I'd know very soon. I think they are better kept securely by the owner.

We have reasonable gun laws. Heck Vermont doesn't require a license to buy a gun, carry a gun, carry a concealed gun, or even prohibit people carrying rifles down Main Street (although few people do except perhaps during hunting season). Vermont has never had any mass shootings.

I think it is critical that states report mental health patients who would be denied under federal law to NCIS so that they truly can be denied. While reporting is up there is little incentive to the states to comply with the law requiring that they report. Federal funding for roads can be cut off if state's don't put up stop signs meeting a specific regulation (the MUTCD) but there is no punishment for states that fail to timely submit those persons who should not be sold firearms because of mental illness.

A law requiring timely reporting, setting uniform criteria for those that must be reported, and fixing a sufficient penalty on states that do not report properly is sorely needed. I'll gladly support any effort to achieve this, heck I'll chip in so we can buy a Congressman.

Guns aren't the problem, guns in the hands of criminals and the mentally ill are the problem. If we can stop that we will have made a substantial dent in gun crime, and gun related murders.
 
2014-06-26 05:09:56 PM

feckingmorons: Guns aren't the problem, guns in the hands of criminals and the mentally ill are the problem. If we can stop that we will have made a substantial dent in gun crime, and gun related murders.


There are criminal and mentally ill people everywhere. Guess what? In countries where they don't have free and easy access to guns, gun crimes and deaths are a fraction of what they are in the US.

It's a gun problem. And to try and ignore it by pointing at something else is just willful ignorance.
 
2014-06-26 05:26:22 PM

whatshisname: feckingmorons: Guns aren't the problem, guns in the hands of criminals and the mentally ill are the problem. If we can stop that we will have made a substantial dent in gun crime, and gun related murders.

There are criminal and mentally ill people everywhere. Guess what? In countries where they don't have free and easy access to guns, gun crimes and deaths are a fraction of what they are in the US.

It's a gun problem. And to try and ignore it by pointing at something else is just willful ignorance.


Even if you are right, which I do not agree you are, it doesn't matter. My vote goes with my gun rights. It always will. Women can vote with their uteruses, I vote with my gun rights. Most gun owners are the same.
 
2014-06-26 05:38:49 PM

whatshisname: feckingmorons: Guns aren't the problem, guns in the hands of criminals and the mentally ill are the problem. If we can stop that we will have made a substantial dent in gun crime, and gun related murders.

There are criminal and mentally ill people everywhere. Guess what? In countries where they don't have free and easy access to guns, gun crimes and deaths are a fraction of what they are in the US.

It's a gun problem. And to try and ignore it by pointing at something else is just willful ignorance.


Well we have that pesky old Constitution which says we can have guns. If you want to amend the Constitution have at it, but I don't really see that happening.

Of course Anders Behring Breivik might disagree with you about gun deaths and gun control. In Norway gun ownership is prohibited unless you have a documented need for the gun. That doesn't work either.

It is not a gun problem, it is a lunatic problem.
 
2014-06-26 05:44:35 PM

Serious Post on Serious Thread: Also oh, maybe if some basic gun law reform (no one will take your binky, pinky swear, unless you fail the psych exam, so ok, maybe someone will take your binky) could be discussed without GUN GRABBER LIBTARDS maybe non pejorative discourse would ensue.


And this is the reason many gun-rights types oppose psych evaluations for firearm possession.  Because the immediate response by the prohibition types is to ratchet up the standards such that your political party, and I'm not talking about KKK here, can be used as evidence that you're disturbed and need to be disarmed.

whatshisname: There are criminal and mentally ill people everywhere. Guess what? In countries where they don't have free and easy access to guns, gun crimes and deaths are a fraction of what they are in the US.

It's a gun problem. And to try and ignore it by pointing at something else is just willful ignorance.


Guess what, Mexico has gun laws that are almost as strict as the UK's.  How's that working out for them?  In many ways gun laws are looser in Switzerland, and they don't have the problems that the UK has.

Even in the states, the level of gun control laws compared to violence shows no statistical relevance.

Culture plays a bigger factor, and the USA has always been a lot more violent than the UK.
 
2014-06-26 05:48:42 PM

whatshisname: It's a gun problem. And to try and ignore it by pointing at something else is just willful ignorance.


You understand the concept of "substitution", right?

If somebody wants to kill a bunch of people, they'll find a way to do so.  Just ask Tim McVeigh, the 9/11 hijackers, et cetera.
 
2014-06-26 05:51:16 PM
If you don't like the 2nd Amendment, change it.  There is a mechanism for amending the constitution.  Use it.

Spare us the sophistry of waiting for a Supreme Court to rule that the 2nd Amendment means the opposite of what it clearly means and has meant for a long time.  "Interpreting" an enumerated right out of existing is not a Supreme Court power anyone should be comfortable with.  If that is a tool that is given, don't be too shocked when it is used in a way you don't like.
 
2014-06-26 05:57:51 PM
feckingmorons:  I think it is critical that states report mental health patients who would be denied under federal law to NCIS so that they truly can be denied.

And how many people who need help will avoid treatment because of the stigmatization and loss of rights that we're looking at?  At least one state is about to implement a statute that will deny people who voluntarily seek outpatient mental health treatment at the first adversarial (as opposed to ex parte) mental health proceeding the legal right to own a firearm.  I WISH I was kidding.
 
2014-06-26 05:58:55 PM

TerminalEchoes: People should Google the "Oath Keepers."


You missed all the Bundy threads?
 
2014-06-26 06:06:18 PM

ko_kyi: If you don't like the 2nd Amendment, change it.  There is a mechanism for amending the constitution.  Use it.

Spare us the sophistry of waiting for a Supreme Court to rule that the 2nd Amendment means the opposite of what it clearly means and has meant for a long time.  "Interpreting" an enumerated right out of existing is not a Supreme Court power anyone should be comfortable with.  If that is a tool that is given, don't be too shocked when it is used in a way you don't like.


Shhh....let them keep backing their disastrous hubristic stupidity.  If you'd told me 20 years ago that SCOTUS would rule that the 2nd covered an individual right, and that they'd also incorporate it, I'd have told you "no way in Hell."  The anti-gunners had been getting away with their idiocy for so long that they actually began believing it, and when SCOTUS kicked them in the teeth for it, they doubled down.  I just hope that the constitutionality of the closing of the NFRTR makes it to SCOTUS sometime soon.
 
2014-06-26 06:16:21 PM

whatshisname: feckingmorons: Guns aren't the problem, guns in the hands of criminals and the mentally ill are the problem. If we can stop that we will have made a substantial dent in gun crime, and gun related murders.

There are criminal and mentally ill people everywhere. Guess what? In countries where they don't have free and easy access to guns, gun crimes and deaths are a fraction of what they are in the US.

It's a gun problem. And to try and ignore it by pointing at something else is just willful ignorance.


The gun laws in other countries are not as restrictive as you think.

We have more restrictive gun laws than many European countries.

You can own full auto machine guns and suppressors bought off the shelf instead of hopping through hoops submitting paperwork and waiting 9 months for a tax stamp and background check like you do here.
 
2014-06-26 07:17:08 PM

Egoy3k: Gun bans are not intended to stop robberies and nobody thinks that they are. They are intended to prevent liability from falling on the property owner when an angry old fart shoots someone for texting in a theater or some clumsy jackass accidentally shoots someone.


Why would any liability fall on the property owner? If they allow everyone in, they are, in a sense, 'Common Carriers'. (A common carrier is not responsible for what it delivers. You can't arrest the UPS guy for delivering a threatening letter- he doesn't know what it is, he just delivers it, without regard for content.) However, If they try to regulate who can and cannot step on their property, then they become responsible for enforcing that, and if they fail to enforce it and an injury occurs, they could be sued.
 
2014-06-26 07:31:20 PM

Giltric: Loreweaver: onyxruby: dookdookdook: Fair enough. How about we agree to begin by restricting gun ownership for psychotics, sociopaths, and admitted tea partiers

If someone is crazy enough they shouldn't have a gun than they are crazy enough to be locked in a mental ward as representing a danger to themselves or others. I'm no tea party sympathizer, but the idea of restricting rights based on political party affiliation strikes me as a very nazi like attitude.

Well, considering Tea Party members have demonstrated time and again that they are a danger to the public (good), I'd say it's pretty reasonable to restrict their access on the merits of mental illness.

Which ones do you consider tea party types?

Hell even the instigator of Feinsteins PTSD was not a tea party type. It was a democrat that killed Moscone and Milk.


Nidal Hasan - Ft Hood Shooter: Registered Democrat and Muslim.
Aaron Alexis, Navy Yard shooter - black liberal/Obama voter
Seung-Hui Cho - Virginia Tech shooter: Wrote hate mail to President Bush and to his staff, registered Democrat.
James Holmes - the "Dark Knight"/Colorado shooter: Registered Democrat, staff worker on the Obama campaign, #Occupy guy,progressive liberal, hated Christians.
Amy Bishop, the rabid leftist, killed her colleagues in Alabama, Obama supporter.
Andrew J. Stack, flew plane into IRS building in Texas - Leftist Democrat
James J. Lee who was the "green activist"/ leftist took hostages at Discovery Channel - progressive liberal Democrat.
Jared Loughner, the Tucson shooter - Leftist, Marxist.
Ohio bomb plot derps were occupy Wall St leftists.
Harris and Klebold, the Columbine Shooters - families registered Democrats and progressive Leftists.
Lee Harvey Oswald, Socialist, Communist and Democrat - killed Kennedy...
Karl Pierson, Hated the GOP, Christians and was anti gun. (the media even went back and scrubbed their articles where his friends and family described him as radical socialist)


Derptastic job of adding new spin to an old debunked email!   http://jaxairnews.jacksonville.com/news/premium-news/2013-03-14/story / fact-check-email-was-wrong-about-recent-mass-killers-being The Andrew Stack listing was a game attempt at trying to turn a raving anti-income tax conservative into a "leftist democrat"  but if you want to go for the big points for the Big Lie you should have tried to claim that the OKC bombers were Marxists and that JT Ready was a liberal Democrat.
 
2014-06-26 07:39:23 PM

Giltric: whatshisname: feckingmorons: Guns aren't the problem, guns in the hands of criminals and the mentally ill are the problem. If we can stop that we will have made a substantial dent in gun crime, and gun related murders.

There are criminal and mentally ill people everywhere. Guess what? In countries where they don't have free and easy access to guns, gun crimes and deaths are a fraction of what they are in the US.

It's a gun problem. And to try and ignore it by pointing at something else is just willful ignorance.

The gun laws in other countries are not as restrictive as you think.

We have more restrictive gun laws than many European countries.

You can own full auto machine guns and suppressors bought off the shelf instead of hopping through hoops submitting paperwork and waiting 9 months for a tax stamp and background check like you do here.


Go ahead and name a European country that permits off the shelf sale of fully automatic weapons without a background check or license.  Don't worry, we'll wait.
 
2014-06-26 07:39:39 PM

stan unusual: Derptastic job of adding new spin to an old debunked email!   http://jaxairnews.jacksonville.com/news/premium-news/2013-03-14/story / fact-check-email-was-wrong-about-recent-mass-killers-being The Andrew Stack listing was a game attempt at trying to turn a raving anti-income tax conservative into a "leftist democrat"  but if you want to go for the big points for the Big Lie you should have tried to claim that the OKC bombers were Marxists and that JT Ready was a liberal Democrat.


Have you read the Joe Stack suicide note? Not real sure how you can get the raving conservative part out of that. The anti-tax part, yes, especially given he flew a plane into an IRS building.
 
2014-06-26 07:42:10 PM

stan unusual: Giltric: whatshisname: feckingmorons: Guns aren't the problem, guns in the hands of criminals and the mentally ill are the problem. If we can stop that we will have made a substantial dent in gun crime, and gun related murders.

There are criminal and mentally ill people everywhere. Guess what? In countries where they don't have free and easy access to guns, gun crimes and deaths are a fraction of what they are in the US.

It's a gun problem. And to try and ignore it by pointing at something else is just willful ignorance.

The gun laws in other countries are not as restrictive as you think.

We have more restrictive gun laws than many European countries.

You can own full auto machine guns and suppressors bought off the shelf instead of hopping through hoops submitting paperwork and waiting 9 months for a tax stamp and background check like you do here.

Go ahead and name a European country that permits off the shelf sale of fully automatic weapons without a background check or license.  Don't worry, we'll wait.


You can buy suppressors off the shelf in many countries (Italy, Norway, Finland (with weapon permit), Poland). Even England is far more lax with suppressors than the US.

I don't think full-auto machine guns or automatic rifles enjoy that kind of lack of regulation anywhere in Europe.
 
2014-06-26 07:44:14 PM

Secret Master of All Flatulence: ko_kyi: If you don't like the 2nd Amendment, change it.  There is a mechanism for amending the constitution.  Use it.

Spare us the sophistry of waiting for a Supreme Court to rule that the 2nd Amendment means the opposite of what it clearly means and has meant for a long time.  "Interpreting" an enumerated right out of existing is not a Supreme Court power anyone should be comfortable with.  If that is a tool that is given, don't be too shocked when it is used in a way you don't like.

Shhh....let them keep backing their disastrous hubristic stupidity.  If you'd told me 20 years ago that SCOTUS would rule that the 2nd covered an individual right, and that they'd also incorporate it, I'd have told you "no way in Hell."  The anti-gunners had been getting away with their idiocy for so long that they actually began believing it, and when SCOTUS kicked them in the teeth for it, they doubled down.  I just hope that the constitutionality of the closing of the NFRTR makes it to SCOTUS sometime soon.


How's that gun registration is the first step towards confiscation and banned by the Second Amendment " sophistry working for you?
 
2014-06-26 07:44:57 PM

Secret Master of All Flatulence: feckingmorons:  I think it is critical that states report mental health patients who would be denied under federal law to NCIS so that they truly can be denied.

And how many people who need help will avoid treatment because of the stigmatization and loss of rights that we're looking at?  At least one state is about to implement a statute that will deny people who voluntarily seek outpatient mental health treatment at the first adversarial (as opposed to ex parte) mental health proceeding the legal right to own a firearm.  I WISH I was kidding.


Yep, that is part of the problem. If mental health treatment becomes a bar then people will avoid mental health care. If an appendectomy became a bar people would avoid that as well with just as serious consequences. Mental illness is as much an illness as appendicitis and medical care can be just as effective. This is where we need rational non-discriminatory uniform regulations regarding reporting of mental health disqualifications. Look at California where a special police squad exists to confiscate firearms. They recently confiscated (but thankfully returned) firearms from the husband of a woman who voluntarily sought mental health care. Just to be clear, a special police squad to take guns of people who voluntarily seek medical care. They can locate these people because there is a mandatory registration of all guns in California. This is not helping. The people on the list of disqualified due to mental illness need to have a mechanism to remove themselves from the list. There must be an appeals process that allows for due process. We can't simply send special police out to cajole innocent relatives or people who seek medical care until they give up their guns. California does that.
 
2014-06-26 07:46:46 PM

fredklein: Egoy3k: Gun bans are not intended to stop robberies and nobody thinks that they are. They are intended to prevent liability from falling on the property owner when an angry old fart shoots someone for texting in a theater or some clumsy jackass accidentally shoots someone.

Why would any liability fall on the property owner? If they allow everyone in, they are, in a sense, 'Common Carriers'. (A common carrier is not responsible for what it delivers. You can't arrest the UPS guy for delivering a threatening letter- he doesn't know what it is, he just delivers it, without regard for content.) However, If they try to regulate who can and cannot step on their property, then they become responsible for enforcing that, and if they fail to enforce it and an injury occurs, they could be sued.


I see you've never met a trial lawyer. They'll sue for anything. They look for deep pockets, not actual liability.
 
2014-06-26 07:57:38 PM

Secret Master of All Flatulence: You understand the concept of "substitution", right?

If somebody wants to kill a bunch of people, they'll find a way to do so. Just ask Tim McVeigh, the 9/11 hijackers, et cetera.


In other countries most mentally ill people just jump off the bridge or OD on pills. Very few of them have the opportunity to grab a gun and start shooting. And they aren't surrounded by a huge industry and culture which glorifies guns. If your theory had any legs then we'd be seeing frequent mass stabbings and poisonings and bombings by criminals and crazy people in countries where guns are less available. And we don't. It's the guns.

feckingmorons: Of course Anders Behring Breivik might disagree with you about gun deaths and gun control. In Norway gun ownership is prohibited unless you have a documented need for the gun. That doesn't work either.


Well, thank you for selecting one highly unusual incident and trying to compare it to something that happens weekly in the US. People who really want anything will find it. And people who are absolutely surrounded by and desensitized to something will use it without really thinking about the consequences. If America was not awash in guns, with gun shops and gun shows and firing ranges and gun magazines and advertising and heavy lobbying from the gun industry financing your local politician's re-election, and the NRA, do you think people would turn to guns so quickly?
 
2014-06-26 08:01:33 PM

stan unusual: Giltric: whatshisname: feckingmorons: Guns aren't the problem, guns in the hands of criminals and the mentally ill are the problem. If we can stop that we will have made a substantial dent in gun crime, and gun related murders.

There are criminal and mentally ill people everywhere. Guess what? In countries where they don't have free and easy access to guns, gun crimes and deaths are a fraction of what they are in the US.

It's a gun problem. And to try and ignore it by pointing at something else is just willful ignorance.

The gun laws in other countries are not as restrictive as you think.

We have more restrictive gun laws than many European countries.

You can own full auto machine guns and suppressors bought off the shelf instead of hopping through hoops submitting paperwork and waiting 9 months for a tax stamp and background check like you do here.

Go ahead and name a European country that permits off the shelf sale of fully automatic weapons without a background check or license.  Don't worry, we'll wait.


You realize that you can't buy a fully automatic weapon in the US 'off the shelf' right?

I have one and there was quite a regulatory and tax burden.
 
2014-06-26 08:22:28 PM

feckingmorons: stan unusual: Giltric: whatshisname: feckingmorons: Guns aren't the problem, guns in the hands of criminals and the mentally ill are the problem. If we can stop that we will have made a substantial dent in gun crime, and gun related murders.

There are criminal and mentally ill people everywhere. Guess what? In countries where they don't have free and easy access to guns, gun crimes and deaths are a fraction of what they are in the US.

It's a gun problem. And to try and ignore it by pointing at something else is just willful ignorance.

The gun laws in other countries are not as restrictive as you think.

We have more restrictive gun laws than many European countries.

You can own full auto machine guns and suppressors bought off the shelf instead of hopping through hoops submitting paperwork and waiting 9 months for a tax stamp and background check like you do here.

Go ahead and name a European country that permits off the shelf sale of fully automatic weapons without a background check or license.  Don't worry, we'll wait.

You realize that you can't buy a fully automatic weapon in the US 'off the shelf' right?

I have one and there was quite a regulatory and tax burden.


That wasn't what you claimed and even if you try to backfill by claiming that "off the shelf" applied only to suppressors your claim that you laws in Europe regarding fully auto machine guns are less restrictive than ours fails.  There is just as much, if not more,  paperwork, taxes and background checks to be done in those countries and unlike the US those laws usually require a showing of need.  But if you can name an example of a European country that permits its citizens to purchase a fully automatic weapon without a background check for their private use, I'm all ears.  I'll save you some time though- Switzerland does permit militia members to purchase their STG's after they leave the service, but only after they are converted to semi-auto action only.
 
2014-06-26 08:24:26 PM

stan unusual: Giltric: whatshisname: feckingmorons: Guns aren't the problem, guns in the hands of criminals and the mentally ill are the problem. If we can stop that we will have made a substantial dent in gun crime, and gun related murders.

There are criminal and mentally ill people everywhere. Guess what? In countries where they don't have free and easy access to guns, gun crimes and deaths are a fraction of what they are in the US.

It's a gun problem. And to try and ignore it by pointing at something else is just willful ignorance.

The gun laws in other countries are not as restrictive as you think.

We have more restrictive gun laws than many European countries.

You can own full auto machine guns and suppressors bought off the shelf instead of hopping through hoops submitting paperwork and waiting 9 months for a tax stamp and background check like you do here.

Go ahead and name a European country that permits off the shelf sale of fully automatic weapons without a background check or license.  Don't worry, we'll wait.


Italy.

Czech Republic
 
2014-06-26 08:24:34 PM

whatshisname: Well, thank you for selecting one highly unusual incident


Is it your contention that mass murders involving firearms and the mentally ill are commonplace in the US?

Did you forget Dunblane, Scotland (16 school children murdered and their teacher, 1996) or Sang-Namdo, South Korea(57 killed, 38 injured, lunatic policeman 1982), Luxiol, France (14, 1989) , Montreal, Canada (14 @ University of Montreal 1989), Port Arthur, Tasmania, Australia (35 killed in tourist resorts, 1996), Kauhajoki, Finland (10 killed at a school, 2008), Stuttgart, Germany (9 students and 3 teachers at a school, 2009), Cumbria County UK, (12 killed, 11 injured, 2010) Oslo (and Utoeya Island), Norway (77 killed, 2011).

As to your first point, we don't have mass shootings weekly, you just want to think we do to justify your outrage.

You also seem to think guns are the only weapons used in mass murders. Just yesterday there was a bombing in Nigeria that killed 21. On June 17th Nigeria also had a bombing that killed 14 people.

Mass stabbings happen too, the University of Calgary stabbing in April of this year that left five people dead. Last month in Taipei a mass stabbing on the subway left four dead and 24 people injured.

Unfortunately we also have deadly mass stabbings in schools like the one in Spring, Texas in September of last year that left one student dead three others wounded.

Remember Elliott Rodger from Isla Vista, California last month, he stabbed half of his victims to death and murdered the other half with a gun.

Is it not clear to you yet that guns aren't the problem, lunatics are the problem?
 
2014-06-26 08:33:38 PM

stan unusual: Giltric: Loreweaver: onyxruby: dookdookdook: Fair enough. How about we agree to begin by restricting gun ownership for psychotics, sociopaths, and admitted tea partiers

If someone is crazy enough they shouldn't have a gun than they are crazy enough to be locked in a mental ward as representing a danger to themselves or others. I'm no tea party sympathizer, but the idea of restricting rights based on political party affiliation strikes me as a very nazi like attitude.

Well, considering Tea Party members have demonstrated time and again that they are a danger to the public (good), I'd say it's pretty reasonable to restrict their access on the merits of mental illness.

Which ones do you consider tea party types?

Hell even the instigator of Feinsteins PTSD was not a tea party type. It was a democrat that killed Moscone and Milk.


Nidal Hasan - Ft Hood Shooter: Registered Democrat and Muslim.
Aaron Alexis, Navy Yard shooter - black liberal/Obama voter
Seung-Hui Cho - Virginia Tech shooter: Wrote hate mail to President Bush and to his staff, registered Democrat.
James Holmes - the "Dark Knight"/Colorado shooter: Registered Democrat, staff worker on the Obama campaign, #Occupy guy,progressive liberal, hated Christians.
Amy Bishop, the rabid leftist, killed her colleagues in Alabama, Obama supporter.
Andrew J. Stack, flew plane into IRS building in Texas - Leftist Democrat
James J. Lee who was the "green activist"/ leftist took hostages at Discovery Channel - progressive liberal Democrat.
Jared Loughner, the Tucson shooter - Leftist, Marxist.
Ohio bomb plot derps were occupy Wall St leftists.
Harris and Klebold, the Columbine Shooters - families registered Democrats and progressive Leftists.
Lee Harvey Oswald, Socialist, Communist and Democrat - killed Kennedy...
Karl Pierson, Hated the GOP, Christians and was anti gun. (the media even went back and scrubbed their articles where his friends and family described him as radical socialist)

Derptastic job of adding new sp ...


Stack hated Bush, the bailouts, big corporations, CEOs, and Health Insurance companies....and the church.

But I guess thats all outweighed by the taxes thing?

What if I told you he felt the wealthy didnt pay enough and he paid too much?

Does that still make him a tea party type?

You ever actually read about him or just left wing drivel about how he was a tea partier in the form of FWD:FWD:FWD:FWD emails?

I notice you didnt refute the rest of the list.

Now don't be sad......cause 1 out of eleven aint bad.

Lanza was profiled by his forum postings.
 
2014-06-26 09:11:29 PM

Firethorn: Stabbing somebody 5-6 times takes what, 2-3 seconds?  He could have seen the guy pulling the gun and decided to run, to which the CCW'er responded by chasing.  Doesn't mean that he didn't stop the attack.


Really 2-3 seconds? What fantasy world do you live in that you can score 5-6 hits on three different body parts on an adult trying to defend themselves in 2-3 seconds? Five to Six stab wounds is probably more than I would ever expect to get in on anyone I attacked in broad daylight when other people are present. When you here of people getting stabbed 20+ times it's not in a public setting like a gas station.

Suggesting he stopped the attack is pure fantasy, the reporter who had for more information than us didn't say he stopped the attack, didn't say he interfered with the stabbing, didn't say he pulled his gun and yelled anything, all he says he did was chase him down. So where other than your own arsehole are you getting information that he stopped the attack?

I think I've already stated several times, chasing him down was probably the least helpful thing he could have done. There is a stab victim lying on the floor with multiple serious wounds, I better go stop that guy with the knife? I'm perfecting willing to cut him slack. Shiat happens and you react, you don't always think, he didn't randomly start firing which I think is awesome, I'm just don't think he stopped the attack. Good on him if he did, I could be wrong, but you currently haven't produced any evidence that I am, please do so if you're going to keep insisting he stopped the attack.
 
2014-06-26 09:12:16 PM
Oops, used "here" instead of "hear" sorry.
 
2014-06-26 09:49:02 PM

feckingmorons:

Is it your contention that mass murders involving firearms and the mentally ill are commonplace in the US?


Is it not clear to you yet that guns aren't the problem, lunatics are the problem?

feckingmorons: Is it your contention that mass murders involving firearms and the mentally ill are commonplace in the US?

Did you forget Dunblane, Scotland

.......

And again, you cherry-pick a number of highly unusual incidents from many countries, lump them all together and try to claim these sort of incidents are common in other places. They aren't. They may happen once every few years. And gun-related deaths in other countries are several orders of magnitude below those in the US.

I think the problem is that Americans are so desensitized to guns they really have no idea how other countries function without them. They are so commonplace that they can't possibly be the problem. Or perhaps they've become such a crutch that you can't imagine life without them, and choose to kid yourself about their real consequences?
 
2014-06-26 10:01:59 PM

whatshisname: and try to claim these sort of incidents are common in other places.


I never said they were common, you made the assertion that we have one every week in the US. We don't.

What country do you think functions without guns? Syria? Iraq? Russia? Ukraine? Mexico? Haiti? Turks and Caicos? Upper Volta? '

I think the problem is that you feel guns are somehow bad, that guns run about shooting people, that guns cause violence. None of those are true, but you've been led to believe guns=bad by some community organizer and you're wont to continue that indefensible belief.

/yes I know, Burkina Faso.
 
2014-06-26 10:09:26 PM

feckingmorons: you've been led to believe guns=bad by some community organizer and you're wont to continue that indefensible belief.


Nobody's led me to believe anything. The evidence is clear.
Show me that guns = good for the US compared to other, similar, countries then. Not terrorists in Nigeria, or militias in Ukraine or drug cartels in Mexico. What benefits have they brought you?
 
2014-06-26 11:21:40 PM

whatshisname: feckingmorons: you've been led to believe guns=bad by some community organizer and you're wont to continue that indefensible belief.

Nobody's led me to believe anything. The evidence is clear.
Show me that guns = good for the US compared to other, similar, countries then. Not terrorists in Nigeria, or militias in Ukraine or drug cartels in Mexico. What benefits have they brought you?


When I was a police officer guns encouraged several people not to try to kill me. When I go hunting they help me provide food for my table.

I think you're drawing a false dichotomy. It is not guns are good for a country or guns are bad for a country. Guns are neither good nor bad, people are. Honduras leads the world in gun violence. Hong Kong is among the lowest, if not the lowest in gun violence, yet in both countries ownership of a firearm requires almost identical licensing and ownership requirements based on the law.

You mentioned similar countries. I think Canada is about the most similar. As we've seen in recent news Canada has gun crime, police officers murdered and even priests shot in the rectory in the last month or so. Canada is unfortunately not immune to gun crime. All of Canada's provinces and territories have a gun licensing system in which one must study and pass a test in order to purchase a gun. Excluded, of course, are children, criminals, the mentally ill, etc.

Canada had for quite some time a firearms registry in which all guns had to be registered, records were kept and it was used as a crime prevention tool by the police. It was an abyssmal failure and the registry of non-restricted firearms has been disbanded as being ineffective and outrageously expensive. (Except for Quebec which is suing because they don't want to destroy the existing records are required by the law repealing portions of the registry.) Are guns good or bad for Canada? As I noted a priest was murdered in Edmonton in early May by someone who was apparently crazy.

Three police officers were murdered as well in early June in Moncton.

Last month Toronto police made fifty arrests in a gang, drug, and gun round up. Sure, Toronto is no Chicago when it comes to gun crimes, but oddly Toronto has less restrictive gun laws.

Guns are not the problem, criminals and lunatics are the problem.
 
2014-06-26 11:27:02 PM

feckingmorons: Guns are not the problem, criminals and lunatics are the problem.


If you say something enough times it has to be true.
 
2014-06-27 12:23:00 AM

whatshisname: feckingmorons: Guns are not the problem, criminals and lunatics are the problem.

If you say something enough times it has to be true.


Do you truly think crime involving guns is not the fault of the criminals?

Do you think mentally ill should have access to guns? Do you honestly think guns cause crime more than knives, or spoons, or tacos?
 
2014-06-27 12:35:35 AM

Giltric: stan unusual: Giltric: Loreweaver: onyxruby: dookdookdook: Fair enough. How about we agree to begin by restricting gun ownership for psychotics, sociopaths, and admitted tea partiers

If someone is crazy enough they shouldn't have a gun than they are crazy enough to be locked in a mental ward as representing a danger to themselves or others. I'm no tea party sympathizer, but the idea of restricting rights based on political party affiliation strikes me as a very nazi like attitude.

Well, considering Tea Party members have demonstrated time and again that they are a danger to the public (good), I'd say it's pretty reasonable to restrict their access on the merits of mental illness.

Which ones do you consider tea party types?

Hell even the instigator of Feinsteins PTSD was not a tea party type. It was a democrat that killed Moscone and Milk.


Nidal Hasan - Ft Hood Shooter: Registered Democrat and Muslim.
Aaron Alexis, Navy Yard shooter - black liberal/Obama voter
Seung-Hui Cho - Virginia Tech shooter: Wrote hate mail to President Bush and to his staff, registered Democrat.
James Holmes - the "Dark Knight"/Colorado shooter: Registered Democrat, staff worker on the Obama campaign, #Occupy guy,progressive liberal, hated Christians.
Amy Bishop, the rabid leftist, killed her colleagues in Alabama, Obama supporter.
Andrew J. Stack, flew plane into IRS building in Texas - Leftist Democrat
James J. Lee who was the "green activist"/ leftist took hostages at Discovery Channel - progressive liberal Democrat.
Jared Loughner, the Tucson shooter - Leftist, Marxist.
Ohio bomb plot derps were occupy Wall St leftists.
Harris and Klebold, the Columbine Shooters - families registered Democrats and progressive Leftists.
Lee Harvey Oswald, Socialist, Communist and Democrat - killed Kennedy...
Karl Pierson, Hated the GOP, Christians and was anti gun. (the media even went back and scrubbed their articles where his friends and family described him as radical socialist)

Derptastic job of ...


More than one numbnutz- There's no way that Nidal Hassan could have registering as a Democrat  since Virginia doesn't register voters by party, and there is no record of him changing his permanent residency and voting in Texas. Fail #2  Seung Soo Choi wasn't a citizen and couldn't register to vote.  Fail #3 Harris and Klebold no proof of parents political affiliations or voter registration Fail 34 and #5.  Jared Loughner registered Independent Fail #6. James Holmes wasn't registered to vote- even Breitbart had to eventually admit it when they were busted on it by other news organizations: Fail #7  http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/07/20/Exclusive-Dark-Kni g ht-Shooting-Suspect-James-Holmes-Registered-Democrat
Get the drift or do you need to be beaten over the head with each and every one of your fails?
 
2014-06-27 12:50:11 AM
The rights of store owners - and home owners too, by the way - in no way trump the holy Second Amendment rights of whoever decides to wander onto their "property".
 
2014-06-27 01:09:47 AM
Dear gun grabbers,

I carry a gun. If one store doesn't want my business there are plenty more stores that do. Sometimes I even take my fully automatic machine gun with me when I go to the store. Its perfectly legal.

Rest easy.
 
2014-06-27 01:22:54 AM
The same goes for the craven owners of that theater in Aurora, Colorado who posted "No Guns" signs just because one possibly errant but perfectly legal gun-owner (so the gun-grabbers allege) perhaps had mistakenly and accidentally discharged a properly-obtained and well-maintained firearm, supposedly injuring some of his (unfortunately unarmed) fellow movie-goers.
 
2014-06-27 02:45:45 AM

BuckTurgidson: The rights of store owners - and home owners too, by the way - in no way trump the holy Second Amendment rights of whoever decides to wander onto their "property".


Really? LMAO about using a breitbart story for anything other than proving you're a low information Republican after the totally biased breitbart shiat came out?

I know this exists...  http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/06/the-myth-of-andrew-breitbarts-de c eptively-edited-shirley-sherrod-tape-lives-on-at-slate-co/

and yet if you have half a brain then you've watched this...  http://www.naacp.org/news/entry/video_sherrod/  and figured out... well, no watch it and figure it our for yourself.

Any arsehole can cut a 44 min video down to a few video clips that totally say whatever he wants them to say. Watch the full video and then come back and present your best argument.

I mean that because, if you don't watch the full video I'm gonna rip you a new arsehole about every 5 seconds when you attempt to argue with me. Watch the full vid and then try to apply the slimy, uneducated, completely racist things you read in your fw:fw:fw:fw:fw: email that you believed were true because you're an uneducated idiot.
 
2014-06-27 02:49:08 AM

squirrelflavoredyogurt: Really 2-3 seconds? What fantasy world do you live in that you can score 5-6 hits on three different body parts on an adult trying to defend themselves in 2-3 seconds? Five to Six stab wounds is probably more than I would ever expect to get in on anyone I attacked in broad daylight when other people are present. When you here of people getting stabbed 20+ times it's not in a public setting like a gas station.


What fantasy world do you live in where people can't do that?  I was figuring 2-3 seconds with the guy being slow.

It's simple enough - stab forward with knife.  If the dude doesn't have armor, you just penetrated something.  Perhaps his chest.  Probably get stab 2 there as well.  By stab 3 he might be getting a hand up, discovering that's bad.  Then you get a shoulder or something, perhaps the other hand, etc...

squirrelflavoredyogurt: I think I've already stated several times, chasing him down was probably the least helpful thing he could have done. There is a stab victim lying on the floor with multiple serious wounds, I better go stop that guy with the knife?


Unless there are others present, I'd hope that I have the presence of mind to be contacting 911 and stopping the bleeding.  That's more important than catching the dude.
 
2014-06-27 03:10:47 AM

Firethorn: What fantasy world do you live in where people can't do that?  I was figuring 2-3 seconds with the guy being slow.

Hahaha, try to stab anything around you, drywall, your cat, your mom, your own face (I can hope) 5 times with enough force to put it (you, honestly) in the hospital with serious wounds in 3 seconds. Once you've done that, if you really believe it's possible come stab me, please I'd love to see you as a disgruntled employee, coming to stab me, and being able to stab me 5-6 times in 3 seconds to put me in the hospital in serious condition.


It's simple enough - stab forward with knife.  If the dude doesn't have armor, you just penetrated  something.  Perhaps his chest.  Probably get stab 2 there as well.  By stab 3 he might be getting a hand up, discovering that's bad.  Then you get a shoulder or something, perhaps the other hand, etc...

LMAO, really? He got stabs into the farking NECK, but um ya, you might get stabs into the chest or something by stab two. You're both and idiot and someone who didn't read anything but the heroic portrayal of the badass who happened to have a cc permit and therefore saved the day.

Your comment, "Unless there are others present, I'd hope that I have the presence of mind to be contacting 911 and stopping the bleeding.  That's more important than catching the dude." was in fact exactly what I farking said dumbass, unfortunately, he "chased down" the perp instead of trying to help the victim.
 
2014-06-27 03:13:58 AM

Giltric: stan unusual: Giltric: whatshisname: feckingmorons: Guns aren't the problem, guns in the hands of criminals and the mentally ill are the problem. If we can stop that we will have made a substantial dent in gun crime, and gun related murders.

There are criminal and mentally ill people everywhere. Guess what? In countries where they don't have free and easy access to guns, gun crimes and deaths are a fraction of what they are in the US.

It's a gun problem. And to try and ignore it by pointing at something else is just willful ignorance.

The gun laws in other countries are not as restrictive as you think.

We have more restrictive gun laws than many European countries.

You can own full auto machine guns and suppressors bought off the shelf instead of hopping through hoops submitting paperwork and waiting 9 months for a tax stamp and background check like you do here.

Go ahead and name a European country that permits off the shelf sale of fully automatic weapons without a background check or license.  Don't worry, we'll wait.

Italy.

Czech Republic


You lie.   http://www.loc.gov/law/help/firearms-control/eu.php
 
2014-06-27 09:00:43 AM

stan unusual: Giltric: stan unusual: Giltric: whatshisname: feckingmorons: Guns aren't the problem, guns in the hands of criminals and the mentally ill are the problem. If we can stop that we will have made a substantial dent in gun crime, and gun related murders.

There are criminal and mentally ill people everywhere. Guess what? In countries where they don't have free and easy access to guns, gun crimes and deaths are a fraction of what they are in the US.

It's a gun problem. And to try and ignore it by pointing at something else is just willful ignorance.

The gun laws in other countries are not as restrictive as you think.

We have more restrictive gun laws than many European countries.

You can own full auto machine guns and suppressors bought off the shelf instead of hopping through hoops submitting paperwork and waiting 9 months for a tax stamp and background check like you do here.

Go ahead and name a European country that permits off the shelf sale of fully automatic weapons without a background check or license.  Don't worry, we'll wait.

Italy.

Czech Republic

You lie.   http://www.loc.gov/law/help/firearms-control/eu.php


That law does not do what you think it does. Nor does it apply to who you think it does.

Read more. Dont just skim.
 
2014-06-27 09:10:04 AM

stan unusual: Giltric: stan unusual: Giltric: Loreweaver: onyxruby: dookdookdook: Fair enough. How about we agree to begin by restricting gun ownership for psychotics, sociopaths, and admitted tea partiers

If someone is crazy enough they shouldn't have a gun than they are crazy enough to be locked in a mental ward as representing a danger to themselves or others. I'm no tea party sympathizer, but the idea of restricting rights based on political party affiliation strikes me as a very nazi like attitude.

Well, considering Tea Party members have demonstrated time and again that they are a danger to the public (good), I'd say it's pretty reasonable to restrict their access on the merits of mental illness.

Which ones do you consider tea party types?

Hell even the instigator of Feinsteins PTSD was not a tea party type. It was a democrat that killed Moscone and Milk.


Nidal Hasan - Ft Hood Shooter: Registered Democrat and Muslim.
Aaron Alexis, Navy Yard shooter - black liberal/Obama voter
Seung-Hui Cho - Virginia Tech shooter: Wrote hate mail to President Bush and to his staff, registered Democrat.
James Holmes - the "Dark Knight"/Colorado shooter: Registered Democrat, staff worker on the Obama campaign, #Occupy guy,progressive liberal, hated Christians.
Amy Bishop, the rabid leftist, killed her colleagues in Alabama, Obama supporter.
Andrew J. Stack, flew plane into IRS building in Texas - Leftist Democrat
James J. Lee who was the "green activist"/ leftist took hostages at Discovery Channel - progressive liberal Democrat.
Jared Loughner, the Tucson shooter - Leftist, Marxist.
Ohio bomb plot derps were occupy Wall St leftists.
Harris and Klebold, the Columbine Shooters - families registered Democrats and progressive Leftists.
Lee Harvey Oswald, Socialist, Communist and Democrat - killed Kennedy...
Karl Pierson, Hated the GOP, Christians and was anti gun. (the media even went back and scrubbed their articles where his friends and family described him as radical socialist)

Derptast ...


So their words and deeds dont apply?
Descriptions by other people?

You are really grasping at straws.

Try to do a little more reading into their backgrounds.

As I knew him he was left wing, quite liberal.  the former classmate, Caitie Parker,  on Jared Lee Laughner.

Cho sent hate mail to Republicans. Cho has postings to glean info from. Cho despised Bush.


You lose. Sorry but thats the way the cookie crumbles.
 
2014-06-27 10:41:58 AM

squirrelflavoredyogurt: LMAO, really? He got stabs into the farking NECK, but um ya, you might get stabs into the chest or something by stab two. You're both and idiot and someone who didn't read anything but the heroic portrayal of the badass who happened to have a cc permit and therefore saved the day.

Your comment, "Unless there are others present, I'd hope that I have the presence of mind to be contacting 911 and stopping the bleeding.  That's more important than catching the dude." was in fact exactly what I farking said dumbass, unfortunately, he "chased down" the perp instead of trying to help the victim.


And you haven't mastered English yet.
1.  I didn't say that he stopped the assault.  I just said that he could have by merely displaying himself to be a threat to the stabber
2.  I looked at the ones posted, both the op's and the short article about the permit holder chasing down the stabber.  I might of missed one, this thread is HUGE.
3.  Not having seen an article detailing injuries, I was speaking in generalities.  Somebody stabbing as quickly as they can will exceed 2 stabs a second.  A victim attempting to defend himself will result in injuries to various body parts.
4.  And you call me a dumbass for agreeing with you.  What does that make you?
 
2014-06-27 12:01:12 PM

feckingmorons: Guns are not the problem, the people who decide which people get classified as criminals and lunatics are the problem.


FTFY
 
2014-06-27 12:23:31 PM

MBooda: feckingmorons: Guns are not the problem, the people who decide which people get classified as criminals and lunatics are the problem.

FTFY


Used to be pretty simple. People who break the law are criminals, people whose imaginations make them endanger other people are lunatics.

Then we demanded that justice stop being blind, that the spirit of the law should matter more than the letter, and that unpopular people deserve to be punished even if they don't break any laws, just because they offend us.

/implemented, as always, with the very best of intentions
//and in spite of all the demonstrations, from the French Revolution onward, why benevolent rule by fiat never stays benevolent very long
 
2014-06-27 04:10:51 PM

feckingmorons: whatshisname: feckingmorons: Guns are not the problem, criminals and lunatics are the problem.

If you say something enough times it has to be true.

Do you truly think crime involving guns is not the fault of the criminals?

Do you think mentally ill should have access to guns? Do you honestly think guns cause crime more than knives, or spoons, or tacos?


you are arguing with someone who IS mentally ill. that should be apparent by now... this person is obviously under the illusion that guns are independent automatons that get up and shoot people all by their lonesome, then happen to simply fall into the hands of criminals and the mentally ill just before police arrive.
 
2014-06-27 04:16:28 PM

Giltric: stan unusual: Giltric: stan unusual: Giltric: Loreweaver: onyxruby: dookdookdook: Fair enough. How about we agree to begin by restricting gun ownership for psychotics, sociopaths, and admitted tea partiers

If someone is crazy enough they shouldn't have a gun than they are crazy enough to be locked in a mental ward as representing a danger to themselves or others. I'm no tea party sympathizer, but the idea of restricting rights based on political party affiliation strikes me as a very nazi like attitude.

Well, considering Tea Party members have demonstrated time and again that they are a danger to the public (good), I'd say it's pretty reasonable to restrict their access on the merits of mental illness.

Which ones do you consider tea party types?

Hell even the instigator of Feinsteins PTSD was not a tea party type. It was a democrat that killed Moscone and Milk.


Nidal Hasan - Ft Hood Shooter: Registered Democrat and Muslim.
Aaron Alexis, Navy Yard shooter - black liberal/Obama voter
Seung-Hui Cho - Virginia Tech shooter: Wrote hate mail to President Bush and to his staff, registered Democrat.
James Holmes - the "Dark Knight"/Colorado shooter: Registered Democrat, staff worker on the Obama campaign, #Occupy guy,progressive liberal, hated Christians.
Amy Bishop, the rabid leftist, killed her colleagues in Alabama, Obama supporter.
Andrew J. Stack, flew plane into IRS building in Texas - Leftist Democrat
James J. Lee who was the "green activist"/ leftist took hostages at Discovery Channel - progressive liberal Democrat.
Jared Loughner, the Tucson shooter - Leftist, Marxist.
Ohio bomb plot derps were occupy Wall St leftists.
Harris and Klebold, the Columbine Shooters - families registered Democrats and progressive Leftists.
Lee Harvey Oswald, Socialist, Communist and Democrat - killed Kennedy...
Karl Pierson, Hated the GOP, Christians and was anti gun. (the media even went back and scrubbed their articles where his friends and family described him as radical social ...


You haven't cited their words- you've just dumped some cut and paste from an urban legend email.  When it comes to words "Registered Democrat" doesn't mean "someone I don't approve of" or "someone I'm going to invent something about"  Cho could not have registered to vote at all, and Virginia doesn't register voters by party at all.  That makes it impossible for your claim that he was a registered Democrat to be true. It's not a matter of opinion or of speculation- it is a logical impossibility. Jared Loughner was a registered Independent whose psychotic ramblings match just as well at times with the paranoid reactionary right wing of politics as others do with leftist politics, but you see only the leftist ones and try to apply a label to them that relies on sane analysis. Your list omits a number of other shooters whose right wing politics are a matter of record, so you lie  by omission as well. Proclaim your self the winner all you want- you fool only yourself when you do so.
 
2014-06-27 04:24:44 PM
More debunking of the "mass shooters are liberals" derp.  The list of right wing shooters doesn't include JT Ready, gun activist, anti-immigrant activist and former GOP candidate who killed his girlfriend and her family including her daughter who was an innocent toddler.  Nor does it include the Sikh gudwara shooter, a neo Nazi or the two shooters from Las Vegas who went to the Cliven Bundy ranch to support his anti government deadbeat crusade.  http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/03/31/debunking-more-right-wing-bul l st-liberal-shooters/
 
2014-06-27 06:55:44 PM

stan unusual: Nor does it include the Sikh gudwara shooter, a neo Nazi or the two shooters from Las Vegas who went to the Cliven Bundy ranch to support his anti government deadbeat crusade. http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/03/31/debunking-more-right-wing-bul l st-liberal-shooters/


So the 'national socialist party' is right wing?
 
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