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2014-06-26 01:47:11 AM
Yeah, the one they issued me shows a thinning-haired dopey-looking fat guy ...


/ just a few pounds
// really just big-boned
/// ok, who am I kidding, needs some self-control and exercise.
 
2014-06-26 02:02:24 AM
I don't know if it is allowed, or not, but both my parents moved from Arizona to New Mexico, and on the license itself it says you must report a change of address in such and such number of days. But they still have properties in Arizona, and receive mail at at least one of them, so no big deal, whatever. Who gives a fark.

Anyway, their licenses came up for renewal, needing updated photos, so instead of getting licensed in New Mexico they went by the Arizona MVD and got new licenses and the clerks were cool with giving them Arizona licences with a physical address in New Mexico.
 
2014-06-26 07:52:35 AM
When I changed my license in New York, they mailed me a learners permit instead of a driver's license.
 
2014-06-26 08:36:47 AM
Sounds to me that you three are preparing to commit some voter fraud.
 
2014-06-26 08:41:31 AM
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2014-06-26 08:41:35 AM

violentsalvation: I don't know if it is allowed, or not, but both my parents moved from Arizona to New Mexico, and on the license itself it says you must report a change of address in such and such number of days. But they still have properties in Arizona, and receive mail at at least one of them, so no big deal, whatever. Who gives a fark.

Anyway, their licenses came up for renewal, needing updated photos, so instead of getting licensed in New Mexico they went by the Arizona MVD and got new licenses and the clerks were cool with giving them Arizona licences with a physical address in New Mexico.


I can't imagine why it would not be allowable for your parents to move to New Mexico.....unless they are on probation maybe?
 
2014-06-26 08:42:28 AM
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2014-06-26 08:43:43 AM
skozlaw: [moviewriternyu.files.wordpress.com image 417x266]

Came here for that...leaving happy...
 
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2014-06-26 08:53:01 AM
Stanton said the affected credentials were processed at several MVD locations and produced by its vendor MorphoTrust in California.

Remember all the talk about Diebold stealing elections? Here's a company that can steal elections and equip terrorists with genuine made-in-America IDs.
 
2014-06-26 08:53:09 AM
Well, not MY tax dollars, since I don't live in Arizona.
 
2014-06-26 08:55:51 AM
In their defense, all white people do kind of look alike
 
hej
2014-06-26 08:56:55 AM

Yaw String: Yeah, the one they issued me shows a thinning-haired dopey-looking fat guy ...


No need to beat yourself up.  Your hair isn't THAT thin.
 
2014-06-26 08:59:01 AM
blogs.browardpalmbeach.com

They did a good job on mine. Even used the photo I suggested.
 
2014-06-26 09:01:07 AM
Everyone complains about their DMV picture, but when the enlightened progressive state of Arizona decides to do something about it you still aren't happy.
 
2014-06-26 09:01:47 AM
In va you're not allowed to smile for the photo so For my current one I crossed the shiat outta my eyes.
When I went to pick it up the guy was looking at the pic so i crossed eyes while I was standing there. He looked at me, at the pic, back at me. Shook his head handed me the license and said have a nice day.
/csb
 
2014-06-26 09:07:31 AM
I am sure Obama is to blame in their tiny minds.
 
2014-06-26 09:09:57 AM
The AZ DMV turned my chunky old brother into an attractive, younger black woman. It only they could work the same miracle on my IQ, I could join Mensa and move to Sedona.
 
2014-06-26 09:10:25 AM
My driver's license pic looks great...because it's from when I was 26 and in a couple months I'll be 50.

Yes, the DMV might perhaps make me have a new photo taken when it comes up for renewal...in 2019
 
2014-06-26 09:13:01 AM
Thanks Obama!
 
2014-06-26 09:13:27 AM
Not my taxes.  I live in NJ.
 
2014-06-26 09:16:24 AM

violentsalvation: I don't know if it is allowed, or not, but both my parents moved from Arizona to New Mexico, and on the license itself it says you must report a change of address in such and such number of days. But they still have properties in Arizona, and receive mail at at least one of them, so no big deal, whatever. Who gives a fark.

Anyway, their licenses came up for renewal, needing updated photos, so instead of getting licensed in New Mexico they went by the Arizona MVD and got new licenses and the clerks were cool with giving them Arizona licences with a physical address in New Mexico.


I didn't know they bothered with drivers licences in Mexico.
 
2014-06-26 09:20:41 AM
What the fark is wrong with all these states?  It shouldn't be that difficult.  Here in Ohio (Ha! Ha!), they print the license right there in the BMV.  They take your picture with a digital camera.  You get to see it before it's printed.  You review your license before you leave.  You're printing a license with a computer printer, not having a felon pound out vanity license plates.  What makes it take 2 weeks?
 
2014-06-26 09:25:39 AM
Nick Papageorgio, Yuma, AZ
 
2014-06-26 09:28:40 AM
Any reason to kick you out of their state.
 
2014-06-26 09:28:45 AM
Any good reason, beyond feeding a bureaucracy, for this total transaction not to take place at the counter in DMV?  Do they have monks in the back doing them in illuminated script?
 
2014-06-26 09:31:22 AM
Isn't part 2 of this story that Joe Arpaio starts arresting and deporting people with these drivers licenses because the pictures don't match?
 
2014-06-26 09:31:53 AM
You're screwed having the wrong photo on your license when you go to vote and the new Voter ID laws require a photo ID and all you have is a drivers license.
 
2014-06-26 09:32:04 AM
Clerk makes an error. How this could kill you and your family. Join us at 11.
 
2014-06-26 09:32:32 AM

suburbanguy: What the fark is wrong with all these states?  It shouldn't be that difficult.  Here in Ohio (Ha! Ha!), they print the license right there in the BMV.  They take your picture with a digital camera.  You get to see it before it's printed.  You review your license before you leave.  You're printing a license with a computer printer, not having a felon pound out vanity license plates.  What makes it take 2 weeks?


The newer high security ID's can't be printed at the DMV. In fact they reallly aren't printed, they are engraved.
 
2014-06-26 09:38:31 AM

mschwenk: suburbanguy: What the fark is wrong with all these states?  It shouldn't be that difficult.  Here in Ohio (Ha! Ha!), they print the license right there in the BMV.  They take your picture with a digital camera.  You get to see it before it's printed.  You review your license before you leave.  You're printing a license with a computer printer, not having a felon pound out vanity license plates.  What makes it take 2 weeks?

The newer high security ID's can't be printed at the DMV. In fact they reallly aren't printed, they are engraved.


Forged in the fires of Mount Doom.
 
2014-06-26 09:45:22 AM
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The printing doesn't look different than any other drivers license I've ever seen.  The only "engraving" I see is the pinhole state outline under the second picture.  That could be added to blanks before they're sent to the bureau offices.  I don't see a technological barrier - I see a bureaucratic one.
 
2014-06-26 09:55:29 AM

suburbanguy: What the fark is wrong with all these states?  It shouldn't be that difficult.  Here in Ohio (Ha! Ha!), they print the license right there in the BMV.  They take your picture with a digital camera.  You get to see it before it's printed.  You review your license before you leave.  You're printing a license with a computer printer, not having a felon pound out vanity license plates.  What makes it take 2 weeks?


FTFA: "The agency is now issuing new, enhanced-security ID cards, drivers licenses and permits.
Customers receive a temporary form in person and the permanent card is mailed to them directly."

Wanna bet the company that produces these new "enhanced-security ID cards" is run by the governor's brother or some well connected contributor to his campaign fund?  I imagine this sort of thing is at least partly responsible for the sudden (but wholly unnecessary) rush to make sure every voter has an ID too.  Behind much of the herp and derp is profit to made off our tax dollars.
 
2014-06-26 09:56:07 AM
I'm not surprised. Those people think they can use transition as a verb.
 
2014-06-26 10:26:39 AM

suburbanguy: What the fark is wrong with all these states?  It shouldn't be that difficult.  Here in Ohio (Ha! Ha!), they print the license right there in the BMV.  They take your picture with a digital camera.  You get to see it before it's printed.  You review your license before you leave.  You're printing a license with a computer printer, not having a felon pound out vanity license plates.  What makes it take 2 weeks?


They now have to run it by the NSA/CIA/FBI/DEA/TSA/EPA databases, make sure you're a legitimate native home-grown All-American drug cartel terrorist.
 
2014-06-26 10:37:42 AM

suburbanguy: What the fark is wrong with all these states?  It shouldn't be that difficult.  Here in Ohio (Ha! Ha!), they print the license right there in the BMV.  They take your picture with a digital camera.  You get to see it before it's printed.  You review your license before you leave.  You're printing a license with a computer printer, not having a felon pound out vanity license plates.  What makes it take 2 weeks?


I just got my AZ license in time to purposefully avoid this new system (expecting screwups). The previous method was exactly as you describe (picture taken & printed on-site).

/ Wasn't broke
//Fixed it anyway
 
2014-06-26 10:45:56 AM
I had a somewhat similar problem here in MT. You see your DL # here is a combination of your date of birth date of issue etc. There was an 18 year old kid in front of me when I went to get my license switched oveer from ND. The lady updated all the info on the screen except she left this kids DL# on there. I didnt even notice. My wife pointed it out to me some 3 months after the fact. I went in and had it changed no problem. But the lady tried to lecture me on how I should pay attention more closely. Yeah she told ME I should pay closer attention.
 
2014-06-26 10:51:51 AM
I'm sure it was done to prevent more minorities from voting.
 
2014-06-26 10:55:01 AM

suburbanguy: The printing doesn't look different than any other drivers license I've ever seen.  The only "engraving" I see is the pinhole state outline under the second picture.  That could be added to blanks before they're sent to the bureau offices.  I don't see a technological barrier - I see a bureaucratic one.


That doesn't even look like a high security ID. If that is what Arizona is doing they are just making regular ID's in a central location to save money.

Virginia's ID is a high security card which cannot be reproduced without spending hundreds of thousands on special equipment.
 
2014-06-26 10:56:50 AM

suburbanguy: What the fark is wrong with all these states?  It shouldn't be that difficult.  Here in Ohio (Ha! Ha!), they print the license right there in the BMV.  They take your picture with a digital camera.  You get to see it before it's printed.  You review your license before you leave.  You're printing a license with a computer printer, not having a felon pound out vanity license plates.  What makes it take 2 weeks?


Like all things, it's the federal government's fault. :P Remember all those new security enhancing (and privacy destroying) measures the feds are pushing with "Real ID"? Well, Arizona DMVs don't have the machines to make those kinds of cards. They DO have the machines to make the old ones, just like you're talking about. That's what I have, they hand it to you right there. But if you want a fancy new federally mandated, national database linked War on Terror approved Real ID, you're going to have to wait for a special company in California to send it to you.
 
2014-06-26 11:04:59 AM
 
2014-06-26 11:13:22 AM
If DMV can screw this up with the old Polaroid camera system how much more with the computerized system. Seriously, I went to renew my license in Boston, sat and had my picture taken, waited 10 minutes, NEVER left the area and neither did the person taking my picture, got back a license with MY picture but the name and address of a black (hate to be stereotypical but you could tell) female. It took another hour to get that straightened out!
 
2014-06-26 11:27:05 AM

suburbanguy: According to this, Ohio's licenses are in compliance with Real ID, and they're printed while you wait in 5 minutes.


Real ID is different from high security. You can buy the equipment to make an Ohio license for less than 20 grand.
 
2014-06-26 11:30:07 AM
I had a neighbor who had a family member with a picture of a dog on their license.

Well, in all fairness the guy's wife did pass both parts of the MVA driver's license test.
 
2014-06-26 11:34:42 AM

suburbanguy: According to this, Ohio's licenses are in compliance with Real ID, and they're printed while you wait in 5 minutes.


Oh and according to Ohio's BMV:

Your new Ohio ID card will be mailed to you within 7-10 days. The OH BMV will issue you a temporary document for the meantime.

The Ohio BMV will continue issuing traditional Ohio ID card renewals to individuals born after December 1, 1964 who currently hold an OH state ID card
 
2014-06-26 11:53:18 AM
Georgia went through a period when getting a license renewal was so bad, the governor pulled a bunch of strings and we had streamlined services pop up in grocery stores.  It was wonderful, and a few years later, we were able to renew on-line, and never even get in a line.  It was like heaven on earth.  Of course, Real Id had to screw that up, and now we're back to the stories of 4+ hour waits and multiple visits to bring the correct documents.  I'm dreading my renewal in 2 years.
 
2014-06-26 11:56:58 AM

mschwenk: suburbanguy: According to this, Ohio's licenses are in compliance with Real ID, and they're printed while you wait in 5 minutes.

Oh and according to Ohio's BMV:

Your new Ohio ID card will be mailed to you within 7-10 days. The OH BMV will issue you a temporary document for the meantime.

The Ohio BMV will continue issuing traditional Ohio ID card renewals to individuals born after December 1, 1964 who currently hold an OH state ID card


Citation?  I can't find that per the Ohio BMV.  More research suggests that Ohio might NOT be in compliance with Real ID.   It looks like they backed out of the program.  I haven't heard of anybody in Ohio who had to wait for a license or a state ID.
 
2014-06-26 12:12:54 PM

suburbanguy: What the fark is wrong with all these states?  It shouldn't be that difficult.  Here in Ohio (Ha! Ha!), they print the license right there in the BMV.  They take your picture with a digital camera.  You get to see it before it's printed.  You review your license before you leave.  You're printing a license with a computer printer, not having a felon pound out vanity license plates.  What makes it take 2 weeks?


Yep. I renewed mine a couple of weeks ago. Walk in, give old license to clerk, take eye test, verify info, sign a couple of forms, pay fee, take picture, sign digital pad, wait for license, look to make sure everything is OK, walk out with new license. All told, 15 minutes from start to finish.
 
2014-06-26 12:15:42 PM

violentsalvation: I don't know if it is allowed, or not, but both my parents moved from Arizona to New Mexico, and on the license itself it says you must report a change of address in such and such number of days. But they still have properties in Arizona, and receive mail at at least one of them, so no big deal, whatever. Who gives a fark.

Anyway, their licenses came up for renewal, needing updated photos, so instead of getting licensed in New Mexico they went by the Arizona MVD and got new licenses and the clerks were cool with giving them Arizona licences with a physical address in New Mexico.


California's a really farked up state in which to have a part time residence.  I had a friend who wintered in CA and spent the rest of the time in a different state.  Payed a crap-ton of taxes on the house and kept a CA-registered vehicle there.  One day, a local porker (the cops in that town really are pigs) pulled her over for allegedly rolling thru a stop sign.  He saw her out of state license and said she was required to get a CA license within 10 days of establishing residency.  "You have a very distinctive car.  Only one like it in town.  If I see you driving, I'm going to pull you over and you'd better have a California license."  Nevermind that she wasn't a resident and was careful not to establish residency.  She limited her time in the state in order to avoid certain tax complications.  Porky the Pig had decided he was gonna fark with a little old lady just for the fun of it.
 
2014-06-26 12:17:01 PM

suburbanguy: mschwenk: suburbanguy: According to this, Ohio's licenses are in compliance with Real ID, and they're printed while you wait in 5 minutes.

Oh and according to Ohio's BMV:

Your new Ohio ID card will be mailed to you within 7-10 days. The OH BMV will issue you a temporary document for the meantime.

The Ohio BMV will continue issuing traditional Ohio ID card renewals to individuals born after December 1, 1964 who currently hold an OH state ID card

Citation?  I can't find that per the Ohio BMV.  More research suggests that Ohio might NOT be in compliance with Real ID.   It looks like they backed out of the program.  I haven't heard of anybody in Ohio who had to wait for a license or a state ID.


Ohio licenses are "gold star" licenses, meaning they are materially compliant with Real ID. Ohio was going to make "Safe ID"s, which would have meant they would have done what AZ is doing, but backed off of that plan.
 
2014-06-26 12:19:12 PM

dustman81: suburbanguy: mschwenk: suburbanguy: According to this, Ohio's licenses are in compliance with Real ID, and they're printed while you wait in 5 minutes.

Oh and according to Ohio's BMV:

Your new Ohio ID card will be mailed to you within 7-10 days. The OH BMV will issue you a temporary document for the meantime.

The Ohio BMV will continue issuing traditional Ohio ID card renewals to individuals born after December 1, 1964 who currently hold an OH state ID card

Citation?  I can't find that per the Ohio BMV.  More research suggests that Ohio might NOT be in compliance with Real ID.   It looks like they backed out of the program.  I haven't heard of anybody in Ohio who had to wait for a license or a state ID.

Ohio licenses are "gold star" licenses, meaning they are materially compliant with Real ID. Ohio was going to make "Safe ID"s, which would have meant they would have done what AZ is doing, but backed off of that plan.


Got it - thanks!
 
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