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(Gawker)   Remember the story about that father who "forgot" his beloved son in a hot SUV? Turns out he also forgot to delete the browser history after his online research on how long it would take an animal to die if it were trapped in a hot car   (gawker.com) divider line 174
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2014-06-26 01:56:46 AM  
10 votes:
You gotta be one heartless son of a biatch to kill anyone that way, let alone your kid.  I mean, think about it.  He drove away, knowing his kid was in the process of dying a horrible death.  At any point he could have had second thoughts and tried to back out of it. He let it go on.

That's a lack of empathy and compassion I can't even fathom.
2014-06-26 12:37:21 AM  
10 votes:
Every once in a while one of these come along and you wish for eye-for-an-eye punishment.  Lock this guy in his car, in an adult sized car seat, all strapped in for safety. Make sure it in a sunny spot, roll up the windows, lock the doors and walk away. Bye waster of O2
2014-06-26 12:20:47 AM  
10 votes:
If this is true, this "man" should be burned alive

/the thought of the suffering that child must have gone through infuriates me
2014-06-26 06:30:46 AM  
7 votes:

Prank Call of Cthulhu: I have just always assumed that the phenomenon of the "l'il sizzler," whereby a parent "accidentally forgets" their kid in a hot car, then looks appropriately glum and remorseful, followed by a DA not bringing charges against them because they've "suffered enough already" is nothing more than a unofficially socially acceptable method of postnatal abortion. I just assumed there was some unspoken rule amongst people with kids that if you want to get rid of your squalling crotchspawn, pulling a l'il sizzler was the way to do it.

Because I still can't figure out--even after reading Gene Weingarten's Pulitzer-winning article about it--how in the fark anyone can forget a kid in a car. You're telling me that after shoveling the crapload of weird supplies you need for a kid (diapers, snacks, wipes, juice, DVD player and Baby Einstein CD, stuffed toys, etc.) in the car, along with a huge honking car seat, and then driving around with a dribbling, excreting, screaming thing throwing toys and body fluids around, that you "just forget" about it? I call shenanigans. People do this on purpose.


Yup.  It's been a long time since my children were little but I've had the great good fortune of being able to take care of all of my grandchildren at some point or other, starting when they were very young.  You never forget that they're around, whether in a vehicle or in your home.  It's always on your mind.  I'm normally a sound sleeper, but let a grandbaby be staying at Papa's house overnight and a pin drop will wake me up - just in case there's a problem.  A normal person does not ever lose track of a helpless, totally dependent child.
2014-06-26 06:22:29 AM  
6 votes:
I have just always assumed that the phenomenon of the "l'il sizzler," whereby a parent "accidentally forgets" their kid in a hot car, then looks appropriately glum and remorseful, followed by a DA not bringing charges against them because they've "suffered enough already" is nothing more than a unofficially socially acceptable method of postnatal abortion. I just assumed there was some unspoken rule amongst people with kids that if you want to get rid of your squalling crotchspawn, pulling a l'il sizzler was the way to do it.

Because I still can't figure out--even after reading Gene Weingarten's Pulitzer-winning article about it--how in the fark anyone can forget a kid in a car. You're telling me that after shoveling the crapload of weird supplies you need for a kid (diapers, snacks, wipes, juice, DVD player and Baby Einstein CD, stuffed toys, etc.) in the car, along with a huge honking car seat, and then driving around with a dribbling, excreting, screaming thing throwing toys and body fluids around, that you "just forget" about it? I call shenanigans. People do this on purpose.
2014-06-26 05:09:48 AM  
6 votes:
It doesn't say if he googled that before or after his son died. If he did it afterwards, he just might have wanted to know how long the kid suffered.

In any case, he should be out of jail soon, since apparently you don't go to prison for raping your 3 year old daughter:

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/04/02/justice/delaware-du-pont-rape-case/ i ndex.html
2014-06-26 12:55:56 AM  
6 votes:

sno man: Every once in a while one of these come along and you wish for eye-for-an-eye punishment.  Lock this guy in his car, in an adult sized car seat, all strapped in for safety. Make sure it in a sunny spot, roll up the windows, lock the doors and walk away. Bye waster of O2


Or, just put him in gen pop in prison, nature will take its course.
2014-06-26 07:50:07 AM  
5 votes:

foxyshadis: psychopaths can be trained like dogs, even if they don't think the way average people do


We got enough CEOs and megachurch preachers.
2014-06-26 02:46:10 PM  
4 votes:

Kangaroo_Ralph: 1. Justin is a loving, Christian man, and a doting father. He loved Cooper, and they have come up with no motive for why he would have done this intentionally.


You know, my ex was a "loving Christian man, who loved his son, doting father" blah blah blah too. That's why he threatened to kill me when I left him, why he involved his dearly-beloved son in a 12-year custody battle that lasted practically until the day he turned 18 and ruined his entire childhood, why our son had to be put on anti-depressants when he was 14 because he'd already been diagnosed with major depression (which magically cleared up when he came to live with me), and why I have PTSD to this day from him stalking me.

Really--a totally cool guy. I especially don't trust people who run around proclaiming what good Christians they are. They're usually the biggest assholes on the planet.
2014-06-26 09:24:39 AM  
4 votes:

nulluspixiusdemonica: So... I once fact chekcekd a hyperbolic statement by a farker about the amount of force necessary to ensure a hammer squishes a head and that makes me guilty of..... hammercide?

What is this? Retard day at the urine pool?


Was someone later found hammered to death in the back seat of your car?
2014-06-26 08:46:56 AM  
4 votes:

lamecomedian: hen suffering from a lack of sleep, charged emotion, and/or stress.
FTFY - that's something the article brings up as the consistent factors in these cases, and these are factors that can be controlled, to a large extent. People (myself included) try to "power through" far too much, and if there's one thing I've learned from my brief time as a parent, it's that in order to take care of your children, you have to take care of yourself, too.

Yup. I've never lived like that, like a lot of you live--not enough sleep, on overdrive all the time, working too much. My mental health won't stand for it. But I was in an abusive relationship, and when our son was very young, I was depressed. Really, really, depressed. I was taking care of our son full-time, and while I knew that I wasn't paying enough attention to him--I was sitting on the couch half the day, either crying or just spaced completely out--I thought I was doing OK.

One day I "came to" and the 3-year-old was gone. Out of the house. I went outside, and he had wandered down the road to the neighbor's, about a quarter mile, and was inside their horse corral. Luckily, the neighbors had a little girl about the same age, and the horse wasn't freaked out by my kid. But he could have been killed, just like that. (He wasn't in danger from traffic or anything--we lived on a dirt road.) But I came out of my fog long enough to realize just how far I'd slid and how farked up I was getting. the next day I went and got on antidepressants.

/and not too long after that, I left that abusive motherfarker.
2014-06-26 07:47:00 AM  
4 votes:

Aero_70: Taxbongo: You find out why he is the way he is. If someone really wants to be rehabilitated they can be. It is all about what conservatives call "discipline". Redeeming this man and making him a productive member of society benefits   the tax payers and makes us look like humans instead of beasts

"I thought I could change him....." said no abused woman ever

If you could have this guy "rehabilitated" would you be OK with the state mandating that he is your childcare provider?
How about convicted rapists/abuser/murderer?... Would you let them be your wife/daughter/mother/son's personal assistant?


Most ostentatiously pious "progressives" are pretty NIMBY, as a rule.  "I want to save the world within 500' of me because I'm better than you." In other words, this dame.

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2014-06-26 05:43:16 AM  
4 votes:
I'm a very forgetful person, so I was sympathizing with him. I found it plausible that it could have been an honest (very very horrible) mistake. I also thought that prison time was too much and that he would be harder on himself for the rest of his life than any court could ever be.

Then they pulled his work computer. His arms and legs should be shattered and improperly set, then put in prison with rapists and murderers. My wife and I are having trouble getting pregnant, yet farking monsters like this can have kids they neither want nor deserve. fark this planet.

/in school for computer forensics
//this removed any doubts I might want to do something different
2014-06-26 05:08:49 AM  
4 votes:
The rational part of me wants this guy to spend the rest of his life in prison, so he can spend the rest of his days thinking over what he did to his son.

The realist part of me knows this person is heartless and simply doesn't care.  He wouldn't learn a damn thing and is beyond redemption.

The kid in me wants to invent time dilation via gasoline just so I can torch the sonofabiatch and have the agony last a hundred million years.
2014-06-26 04:31:40 AM  
4 votes:
As the father of a young boy, I can't express how much this disgusts me. I am completely befuddled.

At the very least, the father needs to be castrated, preferably as painfully as possible - with a hot fireplace poker or by pitbull - to ensure that he never reproduces again.
2014-06-26 04:06:18 AM  
4 votes:
When I first heard this story on the radio, I felt really bad because I had thought of all the times I could have gotten distracted and forgotten my kid in the car on a hot sunny day. Luckily, that never happened. He's 9 now and would give me hell if I tried to leave him in the car.

But now this? I see the pictures of the kid, and I am dying a little inside. I can't imagine the kind of farked up person that father must be for seriously contemplating killing the boy and then going through with it.

An accident, I can understand. And for a couple days I sympathized. Today, all I can muster is anger and hate.
2014-06-26 01:58:20 AM  
4 votes:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: If this is true, this "man" should be burned alive

/the thought of the suffering that child must have gone through infuriates me


nope
death is way too good for people like this
life in prison, no parole, being beaten and raped daily by other inmates, oh yah, that's the one, just punishment for things like this guy
2014-06-25 11:26:38 PM  
4 votes:
*Jeepers*  Am I right in making the mental leap the guy was trying to kill his son and that would make it premeditated attempted murder right?  Wow,,,,
2014-06-26 11:23:00 AM  
3 votes:

Pumpernickel bread: Extremely rare thing to have a child in that manner.  It is also extremely rare (I hope) for someone to Google that particular topic.  For those to events to happen together and in such close proximity if it were just random chance (i.e. the guy is just incredibly unlucky), is so astronomically small, I don't see how anyone could believe that to be the case.   The simpler and much more believable explanation is he researched this because he was planning to kill his son in this manner and then he followed through with his plan.

I have to agree. What are the odds of a man doing all this 'by accident'?
- aware/awake enough to take his toddler to breakfast before work;
- forgetting toddler (and diaper bag/toys/binky/etc.) in car parked on rooftop lot;
- forgetting he didn't walk to daycare/interact with daycare personnel;
- getting to work early, due to missing the daycare hand-off;
- stopping by car at lunchtime to drop something off and not notice toddler in backseat;
- searching for 'heatstroke death in car' (or something) on work computer that very day; and
- only realizing something was wrong at the end of the day (presumably when other people are around to witness his 'grieved father' breakdown)

When I first read about this case, I wanted to hope it was a terrible, terrible accident brought about by extreme sleep deprivation. But the more I read...yeah, I think Occam's Razor applies here.

Still surprised no one from the daycare center called him to ask, "hey, why didn't you bring your son in today like you usually do?" or "why didn't you let us know your son wasn't coming in today?" Most daycares keep very close tabs on who shows up & who doesn't. Well, the non-sh*tty ones, at least.
2014-06-26 11:19:05 AM  
3 votes:
My wife and I have been trying to adopt for a while now, and we've met at least a hundred couples who have been trying for longer.

Any one of us would have been thrilled to give this little boy a home if this piece of slime wasn't willing to be a parent.

Instead this happens.

I want this piece if shiyat to be in a lot of pain for a very, very long time
2014-06-26 08:26:02 AM  
3 votes:

Datanerd: Not about this case, but in general I keep seeing a lot of statements about how a parent couldn't make that kind of mistake.  Gene Weingarten of the Washington Post wrote a very sad long article about that.  I don't think it will change any minds, but the gist of it is that it can happen, because of how people's minds work

when suffering from a lack of sleep, charged emotion, and/or stress.

FTFY - that's something the article brings up as the consistent factors in these cases, and these are factors that can be controlled, to a large extent.  People (myself included) try to "power through" far too much, and if there's one thing I've learned from my brief time as a parent, it's that in order to take care of your children, you have to take care of yourself, too.
2014-06-26 06:53:56 AM  
3 votes:

Taxbongo: . If someone really wants to be rehabilitated they can be.



What about the ones who don't want to be rehabilitated?  Many criminals, if not most, have narcissistic personality disorder.  They don't "want to be rehabilitated" because they don't think there is anything wrong with them.  I work with criminals all day, every day.  The ones who want to be rehabilitated find a way and they never come back to prison.  The rest of them just learn to be better criminals.
2014-06-26 06:45:07 AM  
3 votes:
Taxbongo:  If you wanted the cheapest route that would be rehabilitation.

How do you go about rehabilitating this?  At what point can you say "nope, this guy will definitely never leave a kid to sizzle in his car again."

How do you fix that kind of mental depravity?
2014-06-26 06:28:55 AM  
3 votes:

Taxbongo: So does locking them up until they are no longer a threat


That costs money.  A lot of it.  F*ck that.  If we're gonna live in a society that sucks money's dick, and that can not make the connection between a tax funded medicine model and a robust citizenry, we can throw pieces of trash like this away.  And as far as a chemical cocktail, ammo is about 34¢ a round.  When a dog goes rabid, you put it down.
2014-06-26 06:21:26 AM  
3 votes:

Taxbongo: Besides making us feel better what else does executing people do?


Executions don't make you feel good.

They do prevent recidivism, though.
2014-06-26 06:19:16 AM  
3 votes:
It's going to play out that the guy has another woman, wanted a divorce but didn't want to pay child support. These usually look like tragic accidents but every now and then the "kid in the hot car" just looks way too convenient... Like the family who "forgot" their disabled special needs kid who was like nine. In their own driveway.
2014-06-26 06:11:15 AM  
3 votes:

Taxbongo: 22 months?

Forgive me, I am unsure of the life cycle of toddlers, but at what age do they begin to speak? I am just curious if the 22 month old was conscience or not of what was happening.


22 month old kids are walking, talking, and figuring stuff out. They had eaten at a restaurant five minutes away, so the kid was wide awake and probably talking a mile a minute. They are also developing logic and he probably tried very hard to get out of his carseat, but likely lacked the fine motor skills and strength.
2014-06-26 05:55:31 AM  
3 votes:
Someone in the police force leaked this detail to the media intentionally.  What sort of bullshiat is this?   How is that in any way appropriate or acceptable?  Whatever this guy did, the person who leaked the details to the press should be fired.

/Way to go tainting the jury pool, genius
2014-06-26 05:40:38 AM  
3 votes:

Gaylord Fister: It doesn't say if he googled that before or after his son died. If he did it afterwards, he just might have wanted to know how long the kid suffered.


Yeah, when he did those searches makes a big difference.  The only other thing mentioned in the article is that first responders didn't think his answers "made sense".  He could have just been really shaken up that he accidentally killed his kid.  Plus many first responders are idiots, just like any other group.  I'll wait for better info before sharpening my pitchforks.
2014-06-26 05:20:09 AM  
3 votes:
Please, whats her name down in Florida had internet searches looking for ways to dispose of bodies and partied the entire month her daughter was "missing."
2014-06-26 05:19:56 AM  
3 votes:
My wife and I decided, for many reasons, to not have kids. I would have glady taken that child, though, and gave him the best shot at a good life.

I might need to turn off the internet. It reminds me that all humanity is not humanity.
2014-06-26 05:05:47 AM  
3 votes:
If you're a teacher, I can see losing a kid for awhile. It happens. School is kid jail and some of them actively try to escape when possible. But do you know how long it takes to realize you've mislaid one of dozens of other people's kids? About two minutes tops. Even when they're dressed in the same uniform and you don't even know their names, it's pretty easy to notice a void where a child should be.

No one who "forgets" their kid is worthy of being a parent. Give this guy a bottle of hemlock and 24 hours to do the right thing.
2014-06-26 12:24:16 AM  
3 votes:
Wow, I thought charging him with murder was extreme for what looked like an accident. Sad to say I was very wrong.
2014-06-26 03:36:25 PM  
2 votes:

StandsWithAFist: And - sorry to say - but the whole idea that the father is too much of a 'loving, Christian man' is apropos of nothing. I've known non-religious people who were beautiful souls, and fine upstanding members of Christian society who were utter sociopaths (and very good at playing the 'but I'm a pillar of society!' card). But maybe I'm just really farking cynical.


This. I don't understand why people have to qualify accused criminals with "he/she was a good Christian", as if Christians never do anything bad or break the law.
2014-06-26 02:50:53 PM  
2 votes:
I read the Daily Mail article and wasn't too impressed -- lots of stuff from bystanders talking about how strange he was acting -- well, I can't even imagine how I'd act if I just realized something like that had happened. You have to have more solid grounds than "Well, he wasn't acting the way I think I would" to send a guy to prison. And it looks like we'll just have to wait to see what exactly "internet search" means here. I've read Gene Weingarten's article and it's very, very good -- I can easily see how someone who's out of their routine and whose child falls asleep in the back seat could go on autopilot.

However.

The smell. I remember one time when I was in a hurry to get out of the house for an appointment, I had three little kids with me, and the baby pooped her diaper at the last second. I changed her, gathered everything up, and got us all out of the house. We returned about four hours later, during which the day had become fairly hot (for Seattle) -- low eighties. I walked in the house and it was like being hit in the face with the smell; it wasn't a "time to take out the garbage" smell, it was absolutely noxious and filled the entire house, we were practically gagging. It turned out that in my hurry I'd forgotten to put the dirty diaper in the diaper pail, and it had been sitting out the whole morning. A car that's been sitting in the sun all day would be much, much hotter than my house was. The smell of a corpse plus a filled diaper -- I can't imagine how someone could even get into the car without realizing that something was very, very wrong.
2014-06-26 01:45:13 PM  
2 votes:

Kangaroo_Ralph: Lots of armchair quarterbacks on Fark. If I didn't know any better, I'd have a serious hate-on for the guy, too. I don't know Justin personally, but I have friends in church here in Tuscaloosa who are either related to him or have known him as a friend for years. Here is what I've learned from talking to them:

1. Justin is a loving, Christian man, and a doting father.  He loved Cooper, and they have come up with no motive for why he would have done this intentionally.
2. Taking Cooper was not part of his regular routine. There is a daycare at the Home Depot... Justin works in a satellite office and the daycare is across the street from where he works.
3. CNN did a re-enactment where they placed the childseat face forward in the center of the backseat, where it would have been impossible not to notice in the rearview mirror. In actuality, the childseat was facing backwards and was behind the driver's seat.
4. The SUV is heavily tinted. Justin put something in his car during lunch. It's conceivable he didn't see Cooper at that time.
5. When he pulled over a few miles from work, he told witnesses his child was choking, and asked for help.  When I was 23, I found my uncle dead on the ground from a heart attack. He was obviously dead. The first thing I did was run into the house and tell my aunt to call 911 because he "had fallen".  The first thing she did when she called 911, while we were standing over the corpse, was tell the operator that my uncle was choking and ask for help clearing his throat. He was dead. Purple. We just didn't want to say the words.
6.  Justin was originally charged with murder.  The new warrant filed late Tuesday downgrades one charge against Harris from first-degree child cruelty to second-degree child cruelty. First-degree cruelty to children requires that a person "willfully deprives the child necessary sustenance," while second-degree cruelty to children is caused by "criminal negligence" under Georgia law.
7. Some of this zeal seems to be ...


This seems to be the big problem for him right now, though. The reason the police were suspicious to start with was that the smell in the car was apparently overwhelming. I'm not sure when a dead body baking at 150 degrees starts to smell, but I do know that it's nearly certain the 22 month old defecated at some point and that had been cooking all afternoon. How then does he drive 1.5 miles before realizing what's up? I'm hoping there is a reasonable explanation, but dang, that's hard to explain.

On the other hand, it's nearly unheard of for a parent to murder his own child with premeditation. When it happens, it nearly always a parent that did something in a fit of anger or frustration. With no evident motive, it's really hard to believe an apparently loving parent would ever even conceive of such evil. Even with a motive, it's hard to imagine, for that matter.
2014-06-26 12:22:54 PM  
2 votes:
Hey! I've got an idea...

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2014-06-26 11:58:14 AM  
2 votes:

bunner: As for all the psychologists who make a tidy sum stumping to turn slimy SOB's like this into lab rats instead of mulch, you do so because you chose to study this sort of sick f*ck and, frankly, unless you have no conscience whatsoever, you do so because you have a morbid fascination with such trash.  Which puts you about 2 MMPPI graph aberrations on the side of the bars without the toilet.  And you get paid for it.  Sort of like cops and thugs.  And yet, for all this fine toothed combing of slimy, remorseless, clinical narcissists, we still seem to have no dearth of them.


Bunner, you're on my favorites list, but this is one of the dumbest posts I've ever read. Did you mean it or are your emotions just getting the best of you?

Psychologists have been studying these "slimy SOBs" for a host of reasons. The one I like most is: in the hopes of recognizing future slimy SOBs *before* they kill, and intervening before innocents die.

Yeah, your method sounds real tough on crime and great. What does it do for Johnny 2054? He still dies. Because *you* never fixed the sickness, you just killed the patient.

We've been studying these people for, what, maybe 150 years? We've been *seriously* studying them for maybe 70 years? And you're seriously dismissing psychology? Shiat man, how many *centuries* did it take for us to go from leeches to penicillin? Are you f*ckin' kidding me?
2014-06-26 11:41:06 AM  
2 votes:

Loreweaver: One of the times where I universally support the death penalty is when dealing with serial rapists, serial killers, and mass murderers. And the reason is simple: They have proven that they will be a danger to society for as long as they live. They cannot be rehabilitated, and they can never be released from jail without putting the public in danger. Therefore, there is no point in paying for their room and board for 50 years.


So we're killing them because we're cheapskates.  What about a chronic alcoholic arrested for his 50th DUI?  What about a serial con man?  Both of those people are also dangers to society.  They can't be rehabilitated, and the moment they're released from jail they'll be finding a scotch and a subaru or a suburbanite to rip off.  Why should I have to pay for their room and board for 50 years?
2014-06-26 11:23:56 AM  
2 votes:
If true, it suggests that this was a premeditated murder, and this person should go to prison for a very, very long time.

...but what's really scary is how bloodthirsty people on Fark appear to be.  Good lord, I'm glad we've got police and prisons to cow you all into behaving in a civilized way, because I'd be terrified to see what half of the posters here would be like if left to their own devices in some sort of post-apocalyptic anarchy scenario.  The Eighth amendment exists for a reason: because we're supposed to at least try to behave better than criminals -- not invent the most gruesome possible revenge fantasies and outdo the savagery of the criminals we punish.
2014-06-26 10:34:29 AM  
2 votes:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: If this is true, this "man" should be burned alive

/the thought of the suffering that child must have gone through infuriates me


Most days I like Fark.  Today I hate it for bringing me knowledge of this.  I could not even read past the second line of the article.
2014-06-26 09:51:40 AM  
2 votes:

foxyshadis: Schizophrenics and psychotics are always going to be a danger to themselves and everyone around them, and narcissists tend to leave lots of damaged people in their wake. But psychopaths can be trained like dogs,


Please don't lump schizophrenics in with Cluster B personality disorders.  The media has really given schizophrenics a bad rap.   Schizophrenics are no danger to anyone as long as they're on their medication.  Even unmedicated they're not particularly likely to harm others in the absence of aggravating factors that also increase the likelihood of violence in the non-schizophrenic population (drug/alcohol abuse and/or pre-existing conduct disorders from childhood).  They know and care about right and wrong.

Malignant narcissists and ASPDs (sociopaths) frequently and repeatedly hurt people either because they think it's fun or because they are incapable of caring, and are generally untreatable because they don't believe there's anything wrong with themselves and they don't see it as a net benefit to them to follow society's rules.  As far as I'm concerned after one offence send them to a dungeon to fight it out amongst themselves.

/Oh Cluster B people, how miserable you make my job
2014-06-26 09:48:48 AM  
2 votes:
Torturing and killing this man won't bring his child back.  It won't help anyone.  So... enjoy your pointless bloodlust, losers.
2014-06-26 09:31:21 AM  
2 votes:

Dogghead: Kid killed by father in hot car......liberal outrage.

Thousands of kids killed each day in abortion 'clinics'....crickets.


3/10, too obvious.

Millions of sperm die every minute, no one even notices.
2014-06-26 09:27:58 AM  
2 votes:

Dogghead: Kid killed by father in hot car......liberal outrage.

Thousands of kids killed each day in abortion 'clinics'....crickets.


4/10.  Too bland.  You really need a bit more spice there if you want bites.
2014-06-26 09:03:28 AM  
2 votes:

Prank Call of Cthulhu: I have just always assumed that the phenomenon of the "l'il sizzler," whereby a parent "accidentally forgets" their kid in a hot car, then looks appropriately glum and remorseful, followed by a DA not bringing charges against them because they've "suffered enough already" is nothing more than a unofficially socially acceptable method of postnatal abortion. I just assumed there was some unspoken rule amongst people with kids that if you want to get rid of your squalling crotchspawn, pulling a l'il sizzler was the way to do it.

Because I still can't figure out--even after reading Gene Weingarten's Pulitzer-winning article about it--how in the fark anyone can forget a kid in a car. You're telling me that after shoveling the crapload of weird supplies you need for a kid (diapers, snacks, wipes, juice, DVD player and Baby Einstein CD, stuffed toys, etc.) in the car, along with a huge honking car seat, and then driving around with a dribbling, excreting, screaming thing throwing toys and body fluids around, that you "just forget" about it? I call shenanigans. People do this on purpose.


This.  When I lived in Kentucky in the late 1990s during one summer there was almost an epidemic of L'il Sizzlers in my area.  The rolling ovens' ownership was equally divided between moms and grandmas.  Every one of them got the "she's suffered enough" treatment, no charges filed.  I opined at my job that there was no way one could forget she had a toddler in the car and all the mommies freaked.  "You don't know what it's LIIIIIKE to be a mom, we're so BUUUUUUSY, it was an AAAAACCIDENT!!!!"  I said "if you're that forgetful when you're busy, maybe you should have thought of that before you had a kid."  More flailing.

It has been proven time and time again that the people most likely to be dangerous to a child are his/her parents, yet people always act so shocked when a kid buys it at Mom or Dad's hand.  Breeding licenses.  Now.
2014-06-26 08:55:51 AM  
2 votes:
Kid killed by father in hot car......liberal outrage.

Thousands of kids killed each day in abortion 'clinics'....crickets.
2014-06-26 08:46:06 AM  
2 votes:
I read the WaPo article from a few years ago and was somewhat sympathetic but still a skeptic until Mrs1080 and I had a kid (2 weeks ago). Holy farking sleep deprivation.

At one point right after the birth (48 hours without sleep due to when Mrs1080 went into labor) I basically blacked out. Mrs woke me up to watch the baby b/c she had to pee, and when she came back I had stripped to my underwear and was sleeping in her hospital bed. I have no memory of this, don't remember her waking me up to watch the baby, etc.

Now that baby is home, things are better, he's an okay night sleeper so that's all good, but if you have a kid that's up every hour all night to feed, and you both have to work all day...yeah, I can see now how easily it can happen accidentally.

/can't see how someone would do it on purpose. If it was intentional, the man's a monster.
2014-06-26 08:18:38 AM  
2 votes:

Taxbongo: Besides making us feel better what else does executing people do?


It ensures they'll never do it again.
2014-06-26 08:07:47 AM  
2 votes:
Not about this case, but in general I keep seeing a lot of statements about how a parent couldn't make that kind of mistake.  Gene Weingarten of the Washington Post wrote a very sad long article about that.  I don't think it will change any minds, but the gist of it is that it can happen, because of how people's minds work.
2014-06-26 07:45:39 AM  
2 votes:
seriable.com
2014-06-26 07:06:56 AM  
2 votes:

doglover: my lip balm addiction: Taxbongo: bunner: Taxbongo: So does locking them up until they are no longer a threat

That costs money.  A lot of it.  F*ck that.  If we're gonna live in a society that sucks money's dick, and that can not make the connection between a tax funded medicine model and a robust citizenry, we can throw pieces of trash like this away.  And as far as a chemical cocktail, ammo is about 34¢ a round.  When a dog goes rabid, you put it down.

Everything is resource intensive. People go for decades on death row just waiting and doing nothing but costing us a lot of money. If you wanted the cheapest route that would be rehabilitation.

So we fix Capital punishment and put some farking teeth in it. The law I have always wanted to see (and in all other cases I am more liberal than you so don't even start) is this: If you are convicted of a capital crime, you have 3 appeals maximum, and they are to be within a 2 year period. If after 4 total trials you cannot prove your innocence, you have 30 days to live. Period. Saves money, makes sense, rids the world of scum.

Put that law out there and I will back it every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

You forget that in America you can buy your way out of killing your neighbor, chopping up his body, dumping it in the ocean, and fleeing the state.

Our legal system is too crap for mere conviction to be proof.

What we need is a third party organization to counter-check the claims of both prosecution and defense.


They call those "juries"
2014-06-26 07:04:49 AM  
2 votes:

Taxbongo: poison_amy: Taxbongo: . If someone really wants to be rehabilitated they can be.


What about the ones who don't want to be rehabilitated?  Many criminals, if not most, have narcissistic personality disorder.  They don't "want to be rehabilitated" because they don't think there is anything wrong with them.  I work with criminals all day, every day.  The ones who want to be rehabilitated find a way and they never come back to prison.  The rest of them just learn to be better criminals.

Then we keep them in jail away from the community

It is never right for us to take a life out of spite.


In your world. And who says it is "for spite" except true bleeding hearst like you?

In my reality based one, taking the life of someone like that after they have been convicted just needs to be speeded up. Put a fast lane on the Capital punishment drive through.

I do not have the want for them to sit in jail forever, possibly being raped and hurt, more probably reading books and making new friends. They do not deserve a shred of compassion. Your level of over-compassion is actually unbecoming. Sometimes you just need to put a dog down.

/human life is not sacred
2014-06-26 07:04:13 AM  
2 votes:

my lip balm addiction: Taxbongo: bunner: Taxbongo: So does locking them up until they are no longer a threat

That costs money.  A lot of it.  F*ck that.  If we're gonna live in a society that sucks money's dick, and that can not make the connection between a tax funded medicine model and a robust citizenry, we can throw pieces of trash like this away.  And as far as a chemical cocktail, ammo is about 34¢ a round.  When a dog goes rabid, you put it down.

Everything is resource intensive. People go for decades on death row just waiting and doing nothing but costing us a lot of money. If you wanted the cheapest route that would be rehabilitation.

So we fix Capital punishment and put some farking teeth in it. The law I have always wanted to see (and in all other cases I am more liberal than you so don't even start) is this: If you are convicted of a capital crime, you have 3 appeals maximum, and they are to be within a 2 year period. If after 4 total trials you cannot prove your innocence, you have 30 days to live. Period. Saves money, makes sense, rids the world of scum.

Put that law out there and I will back it every day of the week and twice on Sunday.


Your right. You are more Liberal than I. I just happen to be more Progressive than you.

Capital punishment is barbaric this day in age. I am not going to apply our moral standards to our ancestors as it was a different time. Indeed it is a different time and you are on the minority. Capital punishment is wrong and it will be repealed.
2014-06-26 06:59:48 AM  
2 votes:
Damn, that's f'd up enough to make Gandhi and Mother Teresa team up to torture and kill this guy
2014-06-26 06:59:15 AM  
2 votes:

Taxbongo: bunner: Taxbongo: So does locking them up until they are no longer a threat

That costs money.  A lot of it.  F*ck that.  If we're gonna live in a society that sucks money's dick, and that can not make the connection between a tax funded medicine model and a robust citizenry, we can throw pieces of trash like this away.  And as far as a chemical cocktail, ammo is about 34¢ a round.  When a dog goes rabid, you put it down.

Everything is resource intensive. People go for decades on death row just waiting and doing nothing but costing us a lot of money. If you wanted the cheapest route that would be rehabilitation.


So we fix Capital punishment and put some farking teeth in it. The law I have always wanted to see (and in all other cases I am more liberal than you so don't even start) is this: If you are convicted of a capital crime, you have 3 appeals maximum, and they are to be within a 2 year period. If after 4 total trials you cannot prove your innocence, you have 30 days to live. Period. Saves money, makes sense, rids the world of scum.

Put that law out there and I will back it every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
2014-06-26 06:55:29 AM  
2 votes:

Taxbongo: You find out why he is the way he is.


I hate to piss in your petunias, but some people are just pieces of sh*t.  Period.  And the faster we scrape them off of our shoe, the better.  Maybe his mom with him with a stick when he was 7.  Boo my hoo.  He murdered his own flesh and blood and in the most cowardly manner one might conceive of.  You can save him on your dime.  Personally, I'll be happy to pony up for one 30.06 round and a bag of lime.

Taxbongo: Redeeming this man and making him a productive member of society


You mean one more motherfu*ker looking for work in a sh*t economy who practices infanticide on his own son in his spare time?  Yeah, that'll fix the budget deficit.

Taxbongo: makes us look like humans instead of beasts


So, "look at how civilized I am!  I think we should all buy a child murdering, cowardly crap stain lunch every day"?  You do it.  I won't.
2014-06-26 06:53:36 AM  
2 votes:
Scumbag. Put him in handcuffs and leg irons in a hot car and make him go out the same way.
2014-06-26 06:52:43 AM  
2 votes:

Taxbongo: bindlestiff2600: namatad: MaudlinMutantMollusk: If this is true, this "man" should be burned alive

/the thought of the suffering that child must have gone through infuriates me

nope
death is way too good for people like this
life in prison, no parole, being beaten and raped daily by other inmates, oh yah, that's the one, just punishment for things like this guy

understand your position
still
if you have captured a rabid dog
do you put it down
or place in a cage and poke with sticks

put him down
(mind you if it takes a bit and he screams a lot - ill just quibble about the time its taking)

Besides making us feel better what else does executing people do?

Nothing. It is wrong to take a life. It shows that we are no better than them


Executing scumbags like that saves me tax money. You are obviously anti tax, so why are you so for wasting tax dollars on some scumbag like this to stay in jail for 60  years rather than have a single bullet fix things?
2014-06-26 06:51:11 AM  
2 votes:

Prank Call of Cthulhu: I have just always assumed that the phenomenon of the "l'il sizzler," whereby a parent "accidentally forgets" their kid in a hot car, then looks appropriately glum and remorseful, followed by a DA not bringing charges against them because they've "suffered enough already" is nothing more than a unofficially socially acceptable method of postnatal abortion. I just assumed there was some unspoken rule amongst people with kids that if you want to get rid of your squalling crotchspawn, pulling a l'il sizzler was the way to do it.

Because I still can't figure out--even after reading Gene Weingarten's Pulitzer-winning article about it--how in the fark anyone can forget a kid in a car. You're telling me that after shoveling the crapload of weird supplies you need for a kid (diapers, snacks, wipes, juice, DVD player and Baby Einstein CD, stuffed toys, etc.) in the car, along with a huge honking car seat, and then driving around with a dribbling, excreting, screaming thing throwing toys and body fluids around, that you "just forget" about it? I call shenanigans. People do this on purpose.


I'm sure that in many if not most cases this is true but a lot of kids fall asleep in the car and sleeping kids are pretty damn quiet and a lot of parents are not generally getting much sleep either.  Forgetting you have a child in your car is something that the vast majority of parents manage to avoid and the parents who don't manage to avoid it have failed, completely but we shouldn't assume that they are all cold blooded murderers either.
2014-06-26 06:47:41 AM  
2 votes:
And frankly, everybody shilling to "save the poor, misguided dirtbags" can get back to me when the last hungry child is fed and there's a surplus that allows for trying to spray perfume on excrement.
2014-06-26 06:42:16 AM  
2 votes:
I really want to know what Dad was doing when he opened the car door at lunch time.  Checking to see if the kid was dead?  Making sure it was heating up in there?
2014-06-26 06:38:55 AM  
2 votes:

Trailltrader: *Jeepers*  Am I right in making the mental leap the guy was trying to kill his son and that would make it premeditated attempted murder right?  Wow,,,,


I can only answer for myself. My son was born when I was young enough to be classified as 'young and foolish'. There wasn't a chance in the world he ever went from my sight or was left alone. Especially at that age. I'll admit my greatest fear was the sick folk who abduct small children. Whatever the fear, I feel relatively certain in saying no parent just 'forgets' the kid is in the car with them.

I just cannot wrap my head around forgetting your toddler.

I know - innocent until proven guilty. Just saying his story seems impossible to me.
2014-06-26 06:19:46 AM  
2 votes:

kling_klang_bed: I know someone who's gonna be getting tossed over the rails in prison, and kudos to whoever does it to this subhuman waste of sperm and egg. WTF kind of monster does this to ANY kid, much less their own?!?! I'll just take a wild guess and say he's just vile on a biological level.


Taking pleasure in death even when you feel it is warranted is sick. We are better than this.
2014-06-26 06:17:30 AM  
2 votes:

bindlestiff2600: namatad: MaudlinMutantMollusk: If this is true, this "man" should be burned alive

/the thought of the suffering that child must have gone through infuriates me

nope
death is way too good for people like this
life in prison, no parole, being beaten and raped daily by other inmates, oh yah, that's the one, just punishment for things like this guy

understand your position
still
if you have captured a rabid dog
do you put it down
or place in a cage and poke with sticks

put him down
(mind you if it takes a bit and he screams a lot - ill just quibble about the time its taking)


Besides making us feel better what else does executing people do?

Nothing. It is wrong to take a life. It shows that we are no better than them
2014-06-26 06:11:57 AM  
2 votes:

poison_amy: Taxbongo: 22 months?

Forgive me, I am unsure of the life cycle of toddlers, but at what age do they begin to speak? I am just curious if the 22 month old was conscience or not of what was happening.

22 month old kids are walking, talking, and figuring stuff out. They had eaten at a restaurant five minutes away, so the kid was wide awake and probably talking a mile a minute. They are also developing logic and he probably tried very hard to get out of his carseat, but likely lacked the fine motor skills and strength.


damn
2014-06-26 05:57:49 AM  
2 votes:
www.encyclopediaofarkansas.net
2014-06-26 05:56:46 AM  
2 votes:
As a parent, this ruins my day.
2014-06-26 05:30:41 AM  
2 votes:

stonelotus: starsrift: Was the search after the death?

/ Pollyanna I am

more like too lazy to RTFA.


I did RTFA. And the article doesn't put any kind of timestamp on the search.

Sensationalist journalism likes to do shiat like that.
2014-06-26 05:14:59 AM  
2 votes:

Gaylord Fister: It doesn't say if he googled that before or after his son died. If he did it afterwards, he just might have wanted to know how long the kid suffered.

In any case, he should be out of jail soon, since apparently you don't go to prison for raping your 3 year old daughter:

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/04/02/justice/delaware-du-pont-rape-case/ i ndex.html


Oh, goddamnit.

God.  Damn.  It.

I hope the farking payoff that judge got is enough to hide him well enough to spare him the wrath.  He should've been cast down and beaten before.  Doubly so now.  Some things are beyond the farking pale.
2014-06-26 12:16:36 AM  
2 votes:

Trailltrader: *Jeepers*  Am I right in making the mental leap the guy was trying to kill his son and that would make it premeditated attempted murder right?  Wow,,,,


Attempted? He succeeded.
2014-06-26 12:07:06 AM  
2 votes:
My Chevy, my choice.
2014-06-27 05:36:59 AM  
1 votes:

doglover: If you're a teacher, I can see losing a kid for awhile. It happens. School is kid jail and some of them actively try to escape when possible. But do you know how long it takes to realize you've mislaid one of dozens of other people's kids? About two minutes tops. Even when they're dressed in the same uniform and you don't even know their names, it's pretty easy to notice a void where a child should be.

No one who "forgets" their kid is worthy of being a parent. Give this guy a bottle of hemlock and 24 hours to do the right thing.


My mom forgot me once.  At a park.  I was three or four years old, and she got so wrapped up in picking up my older (5-ish) brother from day camp and getting him into the car (he didn't want to leave the park) that I slipped her mind.  She was halfway home when she realized that there were supposed to be  two kids in the car.

I was fine.  I honestly hadn't even realized she had left.  Having too much fun on the merry-go-round to notice mom and brother had disappeared.

Yes, it is possible to forget your kid.  This does not necessarily make you a horrible parent.  My mom did a good job by me.
2014-06-27 04:29:35 AM  
1 votes:

RenownedCurator: I read the Daily Mail article and wasn't too impressed -- lots of stuff from bystanders talking about how strange he was acting -- well, I can't even imagine how I'd act if I just realized something like that had happened. You have to have more solid grounds than "Well, he wasn't acting the way I think I would" to send a guy to prison. And it looks like we'll just have to wait to see what exactly "internet search" means here. I've read Gene Weingarten's article and it's very, very good -- I can easily see how someone who's out of their routine and whose child falls asleep in the back seat could go on autopilot.

However.

The smell. I remember one time when I was in a hurry to get out of the house for an appointment, I had three little kids with me, and the baby pooped her diaper at the last second. I changed her, gathered everything up, and got us all out of the house. We returned about four hours later, during which the day had become fairly hot (for Seattle) -- low eighties. I walked in the house and it was like being hit in the face with the smell; it wasn't a "time to take out the garbage" smell, it was absolutely noxious and filled the entire house, we were practically gagging. It turned out that in my hurry I'd forgotten to put the dirty diaper in the diaper pail, and it had been sitting out the whole morning. A car that's been sitting in the sun all day would be much, much hotter than my house was. The smell of a corpse plus a filled diaper -- I can't imagine how someone could even get into the car without realizing that something was very, very wrong.


I mentioned this elsewhere, but you nailed. The smell would have been overpowering the moment he opened that door.
2014-06-27 01:01:23 AM  
1 votes:

bunner: When I was a kid, I'd hear the local neighborhood ladies pissing smirk and venom and gossip at and about each other and I had to walk away.  Like now.  *click*


Huh. Was that back in the day, when-- how did you put it? Oh yes:

"I was around when, by and large, rude, hateful, violent arrogant sh*tbag wasn't the new Led Zeppelin T-Shirt.  People could "say what they really mean" 1,000 times a day without it = being a dick."

That was back when "there was justice, common sense, compassion, dignity, honesty and happy endings that occurred someplace besides a cinema screen in America," right?

Golly, I'm just a little confused here. Or maybe-- here's a thought-- maybe you've entered your yelling-at-clouds phase of life.
2014-06-27 12:35:37 AM  
1 votes:

bunner: brimed03: There's no point, and potentially a lot of harm, in painting the past as some paradise lost.

I'm not.  But I was around when, by and large, rude, hateful, violent arrogant sh*tbag wasn't the new Led Zeppelin T-Shirt.  People could "say what they really mean" 1,000 times a day without it = being a dick.


A lot of very horrible, frightening, sickening things were said in very polite terms "back in the day." Frankly, I find that a lot more chilling.
2014-06-26 10:54:46 PM  
1 votes:

Mr. Right: While I do support the death penalty, I do have to wonder if killing this guy in the manner used to kill his son is really justice or if that is a kind of reactionary vengeance.


The problem with the death penalty as a deterrent is that it happens   - - - > over there someplace in a small room, out of view and nice and tidy.  It may as well be some geezer falling over from natural causes, a rerun of I Love Lucy airing in Uganda or a dog getting hit by a car 60 blocks away.  It doesn't get on the radar.  It's a footnote.  The apprentice felons we want to frighten with it never see it or hear of it unless they switch on the news for a 20 second soundbite before the weather.
2014-06-26 10:44:02 PM  
1 votes:

HAMMERTOE: Mr. Right: It is my opinion, shared by many others, that every right has concomitant responsibilities. Among the concomitant responsibilities of the right to live is to respect the lives of others. When someone, such as dear old dad in this case, so egregiously and callously disrespects the right of another to live and especially when he causes the death of one who is dependent on him - legally as well as physically - then justice is served by depriving him of his right to live. One of the functions of the justice system is to determine which rights one loses when he fails to exercise his responsibilities.

My apologies. I totally agree with you. I was arguing from the other end. It is my opinion that a sterile, clinical death does not constitute "justice". He should be put in a car with windows rolled up, and spend as much time dying (in as much discomfort,) as his poor child did. If it was indeed deliberate, I say "let the punishment fit the crime."


I obviously misunderstood the question.  While I do support the death penalty, I do have to wonder if killing this guy in the manner used to kill his son is really justice or if that is a kind of reactionary vengeance.  The father and grandfather in me wants this guy's entire hide sanded with a 50 grit sandpaper on a belt sander, then dunked in very salty water, followed by every one of his fingertips smashed with a 28 oz. checker-faced framing hammer and then put into the car.  It might really be fun to have about 2 cups of gas in the tank and let the car run with the air conditioner on until it runs out of gas.  Unlike his son, this guy is aware and he knows what's going to happen.  The emotional side of me wants him to suffer horribly.

The rational side of me says No!  Taking his life is one thing.  Torturing him is another.  I will say that I can't lose any sleep over whether or not he's comfortable or whether the drugs are painless.  That argument is pure hokum, IMO.  There is nothing wrong with an electric chair,a firing squad, or hanging.  In my opinion, justice is served by depriving him of his life.  Torturing him debases the executioner.

Although, you may be able to tell from my description of what I'd like to do with him that I have given this sort of revenge more than a little thought during my lifetime.  I've got a lot more creative ways of torture in the back of my mind.  I find them to be a fantasy release.  Hopefully, they will forever stay fantasy or I'll be the one whose death penalty is being decided.
2014-06-26 10:17:59 PM  
1 votes:

namegoeshere: If he didn't notice the child all the way to work, and didn't notice the child when he backed out of his parking space (which usually requires a glance over the shoulder) how did he notice the child when he finally stopped? Either he could see the child, or he couldn't. If he could see him from the driver's seat when he finally pulled over, then he could see him when he drove to work and especially when he left work.


He didn't notice until he got in front of an audience where he could act frantic, duh. You can't just murder your child casually and get away with it. It takes planning.

/Actually probably lots of parents do.
2014-06-26 10:06:25 PM  
1 votes:
If he didn't notice the child all the way to work, and didn't notice the child when he backed out of his parking space (which usually requires a glance over the shoulder) how did he notice the child when he finally stopped? Either he could see the child, or he couldn't. If he could see him from the driver's seat when he finally pulled over, then he could see him when he drove to work and especially when he left work.
2014-06-26 06:33:27 PM  
1 votes:

Loreweaver: Taxbongo:

It is never right for us to take a life out of spite.

On this point, you are correct.

One of the times where I universally support the death penalty is when dealing with serial rapists, serial killers, and mass murderers. And the reason is simple: They have proven that they will be a danger to society for as long as they live. They cannot be rehabilitated, and they can never be released from jail without putting the public in danger. Therefore, there is no point in paying for their room and board for 50 years.

All others need to be taken on a case-by-case basis. Obviously, if you have a 1st-Degree Murder case where the evidence is irrefutable, and the evidence shows that the convict will commit more murder if ever released, then it's probably best to eliminate them permanently.


I am mostly against the death penalty, but there are certain cases where I can't disagree with it. Look up the Lester St Masacre that happened in Memphis a few years ago. A horrific crime, the perpetrator is non remorseful (he even smiled and applauded the prosecutor after he asked the jury to impose the death sentence), and he did it all over a farking jacket. I want to show compassion and sympathy (yes even to rapists and murderers), but some of these motherfarkers just need to be put on ice.

/Not saying the guy from TFA deserves the death penalty necessarily, just in general
2014-06-26 06:17:15 PM  
1 votes:

brimed03: tlars699: jshine: If true, it suggests that this was a premeditated murder, and this person should go to prison for a very, very long time.

...but what's really scary is how bloodthirsty people on Fark appear to be.  Good lord, I'm glad we've got police and prisons to cow you all into behaving in a civilized way, because I'd be terrified to see what half of the posters here would be like if left to their own devices in some sort of post-apocalyptic anarchy scenario.  The Eighth amendment exists for a reason: because we're supposed to at least try to behave better than criminals -- not invent the most gruesome possible revenge fantasies and outdo the savagery of the criminals we punish.

You really think they would actually enact this? Hell, even if they were given all of the tools and time and freedom necessary, they look at you, look at him, and look at you and say,
"You know what? He's not worth it."

Like Bilbo and Gollum.

Interesting example. Except Bilbo didn't say of Gollum "he's not worth it." He spared Gollum (a) because he still saw a divine/intelligent spark in him and (b) he believed in Gollum's potential redemption. A redemption that might have happened if not for Sam's taunting and brutality, or the "betrayal" forced by Faramir and his company.

You might be right that folks here wouldn't carry out the revenge fantasies they've written here. But Bilbo is not their archetype.

I also disagree that most of them would turn away based on "he isn't worth it." I think most of them would turn away in horror of what they were about to do-- in recognition of how it would scar their own souls, and diminish their own humanity.

And some, I think, would turn away for the same reason they're writing these fantasies: in this guy they recognize, on some level, a kindred spirit. Not that they would necessarily commit this kind of crime. But we are all capable of the very best and the very worst things ever done. And some folks here know their dark side is closer to the surface than is comfortable, and it terrifies them. And when they see it break free in others, they react with all the savagery of their own terror about themselves.


Nice armchair psychology. A kindred spirit? fark off pal. Just because some of us have wild imaginations that lean a little on the dark and morbid side and can let those thoughts run a little too freely when we get easily emotional and upset about things like child murder doesn't mean we're "kindred spirits". I mean, shiat, look at some of the farked up things Alan Moore and George RR Martin have written. You're kindred spirit argument is the same argument that lead to the Comics Code Authority and leads people to blame things like Marylin Manson and horror movies when people go on killing sprees. Just because some of us type some farked up revenge scenarios to help us emotionally process these things doesn't mean we are anything like this guy. It's just talk and bluster from anonymous people on the internet and not worth getting all Freudian about it.
2014-06-26 05:02:26 PM  
1 votes:

bunner: Yeah, there's always been dickbags. It seems to have only recently come into the realm of a fashion accessory, though.


I'm not sure exactly what you mean by that... People are acting like assholes to impress others with their supposed coolness? Well, bullies have been doing that forever...

Also, you may need to consider that in the old days, you and everyone else weren't on the Internet... You only interacted with a relatively small number of people, and mostly all from the same local area... And, in face-to-face interactions, even people who are assholes at heart are usually much more polite and civil (or at least pretend to be to your face)... But, give those same people the anonymity of an Internet message board, and the Greater Internet Farkwad Theory kicks in:

fishbowl.pastiche.org

But, even that sort of behavior has always existed in the form of things like nasty graffiti on bathroom walls... If someone can be a prick anonymously, lots of people will choose to do so... It's just so much easier for them to do so now on the Internet; and, there are so many of them since nearly all of humanity is online, and every single person no matter where they're from can hear from any of them at any time...

Basically, I think it's not that more people are becoming assholes; it's that all the assholes are now just more visible!
2014-06-26 04:55:28 PM  
1 votes:
The answer to the problem, Fennell believes, lies in improved car safety features and in increased public awareness that this can happen, that the results of a momentary lapse of memory can be horrifying.

What is the worst case she knows of?

"I don't really like to . . ." she says.

She looks away. She won't hold eye contact for this.

"The child pulled all her hair out before she died."


Mother of God... The entire article was a gut punch but that has to be one of the most horrifying things I've ever read.
2014-06-26 04:46:06 PM  
1 votes:

kling_klang_bed: Taxbongo: kling_klang_bed: I know someone who's gonna be getting tossed over the rails in prison, and kudos to whoever does it to this subhuman waste of sperm and egg. WTF kind of monster does this to ANY kid, much less their own?!?! I'll just take a wild guess and say he's just vile on a biological level.

Taking pleasure in death even when you feel it is warranted is sick. We are better than this.

Fair enough. May he have a long, horrifying existence riddled with constant pain, terror and fear.



Not sure what a box of .45 shells cost now days but I do know it is cheaper than boarding a piece of human waste for 20-40-50 years.

Maybe I am a psychopath and don't realize it, but I could sleep just fine knowing I ended this f*ckwad's life.

Why waste valuable resources and money on someone who does not deserve it.

/but that is just, like, my opinion! man!
2014-06-26 04:15:38 PM  
1 votes:

Kangaroo_Ralph: StandsWithAFist: The article I read said he "had breakfast with his son" according to his statements in the police report. I interpreted this to mean the child had also probably eaten something, unless the guy just used the drive-through for a cup of coffee/sandwich or something & counted this as eating with his son (in the car).

Right. And I'm guilty of this myself. Actually knowing people who know the guy have forced me to look at news stories like this in a different light. There is a big difference between:
"He went inside to eat with his son, then drove a mile, and forgot his son was in the car."
and
"He drove through the drive-thru and then went to work."

Just like there is a big difference between:
"He searched how long it takes for an animal to die in a car while his son was dying in the car."
and
"He clicked on a Reddit article about a dog dying in a car a few weeks before this incident."

Found another article re: eating breakfast with his son: Hours before the toddler, Cooper Mills Harris, was pronounced dead, he and his father stopped at Chick-fil-A for breakfast, according to an arrest warrant obtained Wednesday by The Atlanta Journal-Constitution. The father then put his son back in a rear-facing car seat in the middle of the backseat and drove to work, less than a mile away, the warrant states.

So, it sounds like the first scenario you mentioned is what happened. This account also differs about where the car seat was located. The father (apparently) initially reported to police he couldn't see the seat because it was directly behind the drivers seat. The warrant states the car seat was in the middle of the backseat (which should have been visible in the rear view mirror).

Re: the internet search vs. Reddit article, you're absolutely right - huge difference.
2014-06-26 03:38:28 PM  
1 votes:

Headso: loling at 'good christian man"


Inorite? Apparently, if you go to Church, you're better than everyone else, or something.
2014-06-26 03:30:36 PM  
1 votes:
loling at 'good christian man"
2014-06-26 03:04:05 PM  
1 votes:

bunner: DeadPuppySociety: bunner: Once upon a time, briefly, in America, there was justice, common sense, compassion, dignity, honesty and happy endings that occurred someplace besides a cinema screen.  *sigh*

You are a farking lunatic.

Said the person who comes on to web forums to fling sh*t at people.  I'm all f*cked up about your Wal Mart  clearance aisle opinion.  No, really.  It's pills and a straight jacket for me.  *snort*


I still want him to tell us when this time was that "there was justice, common sense, compassion, dignity, honesty and happy endings that occurred someplace besides a cinema screen in America".
2014-06-26 02:48:11 PM  
1 votes:

August11: My wife and I decided, for many reasons, to not have kids. I would have glady taken that child, though, and gave him the best shot at a good life.

I might need to turn off the internet. It reminds me that all humanity is not humanity.

I

 would have taken in that kid and given him a home, and I'm a broke college student who lives with her parents. F*ck, this is disgusting.
2014-06-26 02:44:18 PM  
1 votes:

Kangaroo_Ralph: Lots of armchair quarterbacks on Fark. If I didn't know any better, I'd have a serious hate-on for the guy, too. I don't know Justin personally, but I have friends in church here in Tuscaloosa who are either related to him or have known him as a friend for years. Here is what I've learned from talking to them:

1. Justin is a loving, Christian man, and a doting father.  He loved Cooper, and they have come up with no motive for why he would have done this intentionally.
2. Taking Cooper was not part of his regular routine. There is a daycare at the Home Depot... Justin works in a satellite office and the daycare is across the street from where he works.
3. CNN did a re-enactment where they placed the childseat face forward in the center of the backseat, where it would have been impossible not to notice in the rearview mirror. In actuality, the childseat was facing backwards and was behind the driver's seat.
4. The SUV is heavily tinted. Justin put something in his car during lunch. It's conceivable he didn't see Cooper at that time.
5. When he pulled over a few miles from work, he told witnesses his child was choking, and asked for help.  When I was 23, I found my uncle dead on the ground from a heart attack. He was obviously dead. The first thing I did was run into the house and tell my aunt to call 911 because he "had fallen".  The first thing she did when she called 911, while we were standing over the corpse, was tell the operator that my uncle was choking and ask for help clearing his throat. He was dead. Purple. We just didn't want to say the words.
6.  Justin was originally charged with murder.  The new warrant filed late Tuesday downgrades one charge against Harris from first-degree child cruelty to second-degree child cruelty. First-degree cruelty to children requires that a person "willfully deprives the child necessary sustenance," while second-degree cruelty to children is caused by "criminal negligence" under Georgia law.
7. Some of this zeal seems to be ...


I sincerely hope you & your friends are right, but I'm still having a hard time believing it was an accident (even after reading the Wash. Post article).

If taking his child to daycare was not his normal routine, then wouldn't *not* having dropped him off stand out in his mind? The Wash. Post article made it pretty clear things like sleep deprivation, stress, and minds-working-on-autopilot-due-to-routine played significant roles in those children's deaths. How could a guy doing something apparently out-of-the-ordinary suddenly forget to do said out-of-the-ordinary task from the time he took his son to breakfast to the time he walked into his office? And like I mentioned earlier, wouldn't he or his wife have received a call from the daycare that their son wasn't where he was supposed to be?

It's conceivable he didn't see his son in the backseat during lunch - but highly unlikely. A toddler who (apparently) ate a breakfast meal with his dad would have, but that time, soiled his diapers & needed a changing. I won't even get into how a deceased body smells after sitting in a heated, confined space all day. This guy would have to have no sense of smell whatsoever to ignore the stench. Even if he didn't *see* anything, he would most definitely have *smelled* something.

The investigation is ongoing, so I'll refrain from sharpening my pitchfork for now. But you have to admit the situation looks bad. And - sorry to say - but the whole idea that the father is too much of a 'loving, Christian man' is apropos of nothing. I've known non-religious people who were beautiful souls, and fine upstanding members of Christian society who were utter sociopaths (and very good at playing the 'but I'm a pillar of society!' card). But maybe I'm just really farking cynical.
2014-06-26 02:25:56 PM  
1 votes:

JackieRabbit: At lunchtime, he admitted having gone to his car to put something in it, entering from the driver-side door. But he didn't see a car seat that had been deliberately placed to be in clear view from the driver's seat


I don't think this particular claim holds water.  Something that's visible from a seated position in the driver's seat isn't necessarily visible from standing in the driver's side door.  If I need to stick something in my car real quick, I open the nearest door and toss whatever it is onto the seat, then turn back around.  I'm not likely to notice something that's been in the back seat all day.
2014-06-26 02:12:57 PM  
1 votes:

Taxbongo: I'm not the one who is pissed that a black man is in the White House


Worst projection troll, ever.  :  )  No points awarded.  The people who come here to peacock their ostensible superiority always end up sh*tting the bed.
2014-06-26 01:35:05 PM  
1 votes:

SundaesChild: 3. CNN did a re-enactment where they placed the childseat face forward in the center of the backseat, where it would have been impossible not to notice in the rearview mirror. In actuality, the childseat was facing backwards and was behind the driver's seat.
4. The SUV is heavily tinted. Justin put something in his car during lunch. It's conceivable he didn't see Cooper at that time.
5. When he pulled over a few miles from work, he told witnesses his child was choking, and asked for help. When I was 23, I found my uncle dead on the ground from a heart attack. He was obviously dead. The first thing I did was run into the house and tell my aunt to call 911 because he "had fallen". The first thing she did when she called 911, while we were standing over the corpse, was tell the operator that my uncle was choking and ask for help clearing his throat. He was dead. Purple. We just didn't want to say the words.


Hold on a second...
If he wasn't able to see his son in the rear view mirror because he was behind his seat, how would he have known the child was choking and pull over, as by then the child would have been dead and not making any noises similar to gasping for air..?
How would he have even know the child was back there at all?
Sorry but things just aren't adding up.
2014-06-26 01:31:30 PM  
1 votes:

JackieRabbit: No one is that forgetful especially when it comes to his child.


You mean except for he 15-25 times a year it does happen, right? I got the numbers wrong in my post.
2014-06-26 01:27:14 PM  
1 votes:

Kangaroo_Ralph: Lots of armchair quarterbacks on Fark. If I didn't know any better, I'd have a serious hate-on for the guy, too. I don't know Justin personally, but I have friends in church here in Tuscaloosa who are either related to him or have known him as a friend for years. Here is what I've learned from talking to them:

1. Justin is a loving, Christian man, and a doting father.  He loved Cooper, and they have come up with no motive for why he would have done this intentionally.


We read this about almost everyone who snaps and kills someone. People can rarely believe that someone they have known for years is capable of such things. Establishing motive is important, but not necessary, since motive cannot always be identified. Material evidence trumps it every time. It is beginning to sound like the material evidence is adding up.

The rest of your post is near-erfect armchair quarterbacking. I don't think you will ever convince anyone that a "loving, Christian man, and a doting father" could "forget" his child was strapped in the back seat of a car, in 90+ deg. weather, for seven hours. No one is that forgetful especially when it comes to his child. The Cobb County police aren't buying his story and neither am I.
2014-06-26 01:23:09 PM  
1 votes:

tlars699: jshine: If true, it suggests that this was a premeditated murder, and this person should go to prison for a very, very long time.

...but what's really scary is how bloodthirsty people on Fark appear to be.  Good lord, I'm glad we've got police and prisons to cow you all into behaving in a civilized way, because I'd be terrified to see what half of the posters here would be like if left to their own devices in some sort of post-apocalyptic anarchy scenario.  The Eighth amendment exists for a reason: because we're supposed to at least try to behave better than criminals -- not invent the most gruesome possible revenge fantasies and outdo the savagery of the criminals we punish.

You really think they would actually enact this? Hell, even if they were given all of the tools and time and freedom necessary, they look at you, look at him, and look at you and say,
"You know what? He's not worth it."

Like Bilbo and Gollum.


Interesting example. Except Bilbo didn't say of Gollum "he's not worth it." He spared Gollum (a) because he still saw a divine/intelligent spark in him and (b) he believed in Gollum's potential redemption. A redemption that might have happened if not for Sam's taunting and brutality, or the "betrayal" forced by Faramir and his company.

You might be right that folks here wouldn't carry out the revenge fantasies they've written here. But Bilbo is not their archetype.

I also disagree that most of them would turn away based on "he isn't worth it." I think most of them would turn away in horror of what they were about to do-- in recognition of how it would scar their own souls, and diminish their own humanity.

And some, I think, would turn away for the same reason they're writing these fantasies: in this guy they recognize, on some level, a kindred spirit. Not that they would necessarily commit this kind of crime. But we are all capable of the very best and the very worst things ever done. And some folks here know their dark side is closer to the surface than is comfortable, and it terrifies them. And when they see it break free in others, they react with all the savagery of their own terror about themselves.
2014-06-26 01:05:27 PM  
1 votes:

BSABSVR: I too am disgusted at this man's appalling lack of respect for the life of another. Let me show my disgust with murder by writing a seven paragraph fantasy about what parts of him should be pulled off of him while he is flayed to death.


WIN.

All the sadists ITT reveling in masturbatory fantasies about exactly how they would show thus guy "justice" can STFU now. You're not better than the guy in tfa.
2014-06-26 12:52:59 PM  
1 votes:

HelloNeuman: In some situations the legal concept should be 'guilty until proven innocent'. This is one of them.


Which would lead to a rash of people's children being killed and the parents framed for the murder. And since they're guilty by default, all you'd have to do is make sure to do it when they have no alibi.

Not a good move at all.
2014-06-26 12:24:20 PM  
1 votes:

Loreweaver: You trying to equate drunk drivers and scam artists to these kinds of crimes is disingenuous.


Wanna tell that to the person who's loved one just got killed by a drunk driver?  Or how about the victims of Bernie Madoff, I could make a much better case that the death penalty would act as more of a deterrent to white collar criminals like Bernie than a person who has coldly calculated the death of another person.  Or unless this isn't about deterrence and just about everybody wanting their chance to hold the business side of a weapon.


Sure, the DUI guy could kill someone. And, if he did kill someone with his car, yet still chose to drink and drive, then I would be happy to see him brought up on attempted murder charges. But, even then, if the guy is remorseful, then there is a good chance of rehabilitation through a prolonged stay in jail, with appropriate counseling. I would gladly pay my fair share for that.

And if this guy is remorseful, would you give him that same shot?  Or are we victim judging at this point?
2014-06-26 12:19:34 PM  
1 votes:

bunner: Once upon a time, briefly, in America, there was justice, common sense, compassion, dignity, honesty and happy endings that occurred someplace besides a cinema screen.  *sigh*


Horseshiat. Overall the country (the world) is a better, safer place than ever before. There's no point, and potentially a lot of harm, in painting the past as some paradise lost. Norman Rockwell painted his America in tiny, deeply personal scenes because that's the only level on which what you posit has ever existed.
2014-06-26 12:07:44 PM  
1 votes:

cryinoutloud: ......and here's the poor kid.

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 306x423]


This just hurts. Poor little guy, to imagine what this kid went through, not understanding a single second of the suffering he's experiencing, completely helpless to do anything...

/Damn anger dust...
2014-06-26 12:07:34 PM  
1 votes:

pueblonative: CheekyMonkey: Taxbongo: kling_klang_bed: I know someone who's gonna be getting tossed over the rails in prison, and kudos to whoever does it to this subhuman waste of sperm and egg. WTF kind of monster does this to ANY kid, much less their own?!?! I'll just take a wild guess and say he's just vile on a biological level.

Taking pleasure in death even when you feel it is warranted is sick. We are better than this.

Pfft.  Read the comments in this thread.  You might be "better than this" but most people aren't.

They just wait for the "right" reason to jack off about a human being getting executed, tortured, and raped by people who all these self righteous members of the moral umbrage brigade would flee in terror from if they saw them coming down the street.

/if he's guilty lock him away for life
//hug your kid
///be a better human and role model for your kid than either this guy allegedly or the verbal sadists in this thread.


Don't get me wrong - I that that if he's guilty, he deserves to die.  I just don't agree with those who would condemn him to a painful and prolonged death.

\my only issue with the death penalty is that out justice system is pretty damn flawed, and waaaay too many innocent people are being wrongly convicted
\\premeditated murder of one's own child is one of those offenses where the perpetrator does not deserve to live
2014-06-26 11:50:53 AM  
1 votes:
I'm anti-death penalty, but in this case I'll make an exception.
2014-06-26 11:43:50 AM  
1 votes:
For anyone questioning whether it was before or after the kid was dead, it was on his work computer, which means it was before the kid was dead.
2014-06-26 11:40:40 AM  
1 votes:
Fark dude there's a ton of people like my wife and I who want kids but haven't been able to have them yet. farking find a couple like us and do the adoption thing. You'll never have to see you're kid again if it's such a bad thing.
2014-06-26 11:27:35 AM  
1 votes:

jshine: If true, it suggests that this was a premeditated murder, and this person should go to prison for a very, very long time.

...but what's really scary is how bloodthirsty people on Fark appear to be.  Good lord, I'm glad we've got police and prisons to cow you all into behaving in a civilized way, because I'd be terrified to see what half of the posters here would be like if left to their own devices in some sort of post-apocalyptic anarchy scenario.  The Eighth amendment exists for a reason: because we're supposed to at least try to behave better than criminals -- not invent the most gruesome possible revenge fantasies and outdo the savagery of the criminals we punish.


You really think they would actually enact this? Hell, even if they were given all of the tools and time and freedom necessary, they look at you, look at him, and look at you and say,
"You know what? He's not worth it."

Like Bilbo and Gollum.
2014-06-26 11:07:18 AM  
1 votes:

itsaidwhat: On the brighter side, I think there is going to be a job opening created at this guy's company.

/You are welcome, Obama.


The bar is pretty low too, "The new guy can't figure out how to use the copier and he's always coming in late and leaving early but hey, at least he isn't killing babies"
2014-06-26 10:59:21 AM  
1 votes:

E5bie: Datanerd: Not about this case, but in general I keep seeing a lot of statements about how a parent couldn't make that kind of mistake.  Gene Weingarten of the Washington Post wrote a very sad long article about that.  I don't think it will change any minds, but the gist of it is that it can happen, because of how people's minds work.

From your link: "It happens that way somewhere in the United States 15 to 25 times a year"

Each year, approximately 4 million infants are born in the United States.
Infant mortality is over 5 per 1,000. That adds up to 20,000 deaths in the 0-1 age group.
So... no. This does not happen often. Good parents do not make that kind of mistake.


Just like cosleeping deaths. Many people may do it, but not too many kids end up dead because of it.

//Also, with the co-sleeping thing, alcohol and drugs are usually a factor. So if your kid survived co-sleeping, you probably weren't wasted, congrats. http://m.jsonline.com/more/news/milwaukee/87602592.html
2014-06-26 10:56:55 AM  
1 votes:
Taxbongo:

I am very pro-tax. I was trying to put it in a perspective that you could understand.

And you are right a bullet can fix things. But it comes at a cost: our humanity. Killing our fellow citizens makes us the scumbags.


No, it makes us human beings who recognize a corrupted, twisted, evil inndividual who can never be redeemed.  We even kill rabid doogs, who are simply victims of a disease they can't understand.  To eliminate those who choose to inflict harm and suffering to the weak, helpless and innocent does not make us scumbags.  It makes us responsible members of society who carry out a necessary, if unpleasant, task.
2014-06-26 10:54:36 AM  
1 votes:
I too am disgusted at this man's appalling lack of respect for the life of another. Let me show my disgust with murder by writing a seven paragraph fantasy about what parts of him should be pulled off of him while he is flayed to death.
2014-06-26 10:44:30 AM  
1 votes:

Taxbongo: poison_amy: Taxbongo: 22 months?

Forgive me, I am unsure of the life cycle of toddlers, but at what age do they begin to speak? I am just curious if the 22 month old was conscience or not of what was happening.

22 month old kids are walking, talking, and figuring stuff out. They had eaten at a restaurant five minutes away, so the kid was wide awake and probably talking a mile a minute. They are also developing logic and he probably tried very hard to get out of his carseat, but likely lacked the fine motor skills and strength.

damn


Kid would have been bawling hard and struggling/squirming like crazy until he passed out from heat exhaustion, he might have only felt the pain for half of the 8 hours, but it's a f***ing shiatty way to go in any event... if he wasn't otherwise dead first and this was some kind of coverup?
2014-06-26 10:42:41 AM  
1 votes:

Rigby-Reardon: Sass-O-Rev: IIRC,  they are saying he placed the child in a rear-facing child seat. That makes no sense to me. As a mother and a grandmother who has done my share of buckling kids into the car,  I am sure that  well before that age (22 months) that child should have been in a seat that faces forward. Why would he do that? So he can later claim he couldn't see the boy in his rear-view mirror?

/speculation is all I've got
//sad

Just over 3 years ago the child car seat recommendations changed and children up to the age of 2 are now supposed to be rear facing.

It changed in February of 2011. How do I remember this? My oldest son was 11 months old and my wife and I were super excited about getting him forward facing. Went from 1 month away to 13 months away.

About 2 weeks ago I googled this again for my 19 month old because we are sick of the rear facing seat. The studies all said that a young child is 75% more likely to be injured in an accident if front facing. (5 more months)

I have been tired enough with the kids to see how something like this might happen accidentally. Luckily it hasn't happened to me. Cannot believe someone would do this to his own kids. I also believe he was going to leave the wife and did not want to be paying for a kid.


thanks for the clarification-- I did not know that. Also, I live in Canada, and the rules may be a little different here re: ages and stages..

/still sad.
//gonna go hug my grandsquidlet now.
2014-06-26 10:38:25 AM  
1 votes:

JackieRabbit: My god.... did this sick asshole really think he was going to be able to sell that he forgot to drop his kid off at his work's on-site daycare for seven hours?1?!
Home Depot has to chalk this up as a bad hire....


I didn't hear that at first, but if it was his daily routine, and the daycare was right there--GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY.

EVEN IF you somehow forgot to get the kid out of the car and went into work, you'd remember it before you'd been there for long. You'd think "Wait, how come I'm clocking in 10 minutes earlier than usual?" or you'd think that you don't have your coffee, because you usually picked it up on your way from the daycare room, or you'd still have your diaper that you brought, because that's the last thing you do before you drop the kid off--check his diaper....

Your routine would be off, and you'd notice if you were right there.
2014-06-26 10:28:41 AM  
1 votes:

mcnguyen: Gaylord Fister: It doesn't say if he googled that before or after his son died. If he did it afterwards, he just might have wanted to know how long the kid suffered.

Yeah, when he did those searches makes a big difference.  The only other thing mentioned in the article is that first responders didn't think his answers "made sense".  He could have just been really shaken up that he accidentally killed his kid.  Plus many first responders are idiots, just like any other group.  I'll wait for better info before sharpening my pitchforks.


The article I read says surveillance video shows he went to the car at lunch time and put something inside, which I interpreted as he went and checked on the kid and noticed it hadn't been hot enough that morning to finish the job. Sick fark

/that's me looking inside yours (and everybody else's)car for the next year in parking lots
//seriously how does a person get that F'd in the head

http://m.wlox.com/#!/newsDetail/25866892?orgId=40
2014-06-26 10:15:24 AM  
1 votes:
I don't think that I'm alone in that some small, very dark part of me feels something like relief that this was an intentional act because makes me feel like it's less likely that I would do such a thing.  If this had truly been an accident, it would feel totally plausible that such a thing could happen to me.  I honestly don't think I'm alone in this.
2014-06-26 10:12:25 AM  
1 votes:

Taxbongo: 22 months?

Forgive me, I am unsure of the life cycle of toddlers, but at what age do they begin to speak? I am just curious if the 22 month old was conscience or not of what was happening.


My daughter is 25 months and has been clipping the chest buckle on her car seat for 2+ months. She has been able to pick up my wife's Nexus, unlock it, find the screen that has her apps, and open the particular one she wants for about 4 months.
2014-06-26 10:08:56 AM  
1 votes:

roc6783: AverageAmericanGuy: When I first heard this story on the radio, I felt really bad because I had thought of all the times I could have gotten distracted and forgotten my kid in the car on a hot sunny day. Luckily, that never happened. He's 9 now and would give me hell if I tried to leave him in the car.

But now this? I see the pictures of the kid, and I am dying a little inside. I can't imagine the kind of farked up person that father must be for seriously contemplating killing the boy and then going through with it.

An accident, I can understand. And for a couple days I sympathized. Today, all I can muster is anger and hate.

I frequently joke that my billion dollar invention is a tranquilizer gun for use on kids with no side effects other than an instant 2 hour nap. My proposed tagline, "All the fun of shooting your kids with none of the side effects." This piece of filth makes me feel really bad for making a tasteless joke.


By any chance, would you have a dosage for mouthy teens or dreadful bosses?  I'm asking for a friend.
2014-06-26 10:07:39 AM  
1 votes:

if_i_really_have_to: Oh Cluster B people, how miserable you make my job


This. I've never quit a job because of the JOB. I've quit a few because of people, though.
2014-06-26 09:48:58 AM  
1 votes:

SundaesChild: Wow, I thought charging him with murder was extreme for what looked like an accident. Sad to say I was very wrong.


No problem.  That's how evidence works.  New evidence can change one's mind.
2014-06-26 09:43:25 AM  
1 votes:

umad: Headso: umad: I don't really care if you did it intentionally or not when you kill somebody.

good thing you don't have any power to make laws.

I can vote against brainless shiatbags like you who push the "he/she has suffered enough already" nonsense, which isn't nothing.


true, but luckily tough on crime geezers are dying off of old age faster than authoritarian basement dwellers can take their place so you'll find less and less company each time you go to the polls.
2014-06-26 09:39:10 AM  
1 votes:

Headso: umad: I don't really care if you did it intentionally or not when you kill somebody.

good thing you don't have any power to make laws.


I can vote against brainless shiatbags like you who push the "he/she has suffered enough already" nonsense, which isn't nothing.
2014-06-26 09:36:57 AM  
1 votes:

HAMMERTOE: Mr. Right: You're correct about the bloodthirst being vengeance, not justice.

You know, the two are not mutually exclusive.

Can anybody offer an objective argument against vengeance, aptly applied?


Vengeance is a more personal retribution for wrongs.  If a man rapes a woman, she could exact vengeance by shoving various articles into various orifices until she felt her grievances had been redressed.  Justice, however, is when people not directly involved in the rape would look at the actions that took place, determine that crimes had been committed and the judge would then determine which  rights the rapist would lose for having abrogated his responsibility to follow the laws of society.

In this case, vengeance would be served if the mother would find him, truss him up like a Thanksgiving Turkey, throw him in the back seat of a car and then park it out in the desert somewhere with all the windows tightly sealed.  Justice would be a jury finding that he so egregiously failed his responsibilities to honor the life of another, in this case his own son, that he would forfeit his right to live.  And his life would then be ended in a relatively humane way.
2014-06-26 09:26:35 AM  
1 votes:

TheGreatGazoo: I've made it halfway to work with my daughter in the back seat and had to turn around and take her to daycare (which is close to home).

Put your computer, brief case, coffee mug, or something you need at work in the back seat so you are forced to check it.


Nearest I've done to anything like this was wheeling my kid to the Nursery, blind tired I walked right past and onto the station. She went mental when I realised and turned back, thought she was having a day with her Dad or summat.
We'd have never ever left her in the car even for a quick pop in to the shops. It doesn't take very long for them to get in trouble on a hot day.
2014-06-26 09:23:48 AM  
1 votes:

LazyMedia: sno man: Every once in a while one of these come along and you wish for eye-for-an-eye punishment.  Lock this guy in his car, in an adult sized car seat, all strapped in for safety. Make sure it in a sunny spot, roll up the windows, lock the doors and walk away. Bye waster of O2

Are there really adult-sized car seats? I think those are just called car seats.


We could trim him down to fit a kid-sized one.

Generally opposed to the death penalty, but guys like this make it REALLY hard sometimes...
2014-06-26 09:23:28 AM  
1 votes:

filter: As a parent, this ruins my day.


THIS
2014-06-26 09:16:39 AM  
1 votes:
I've made it halfway to work with my daughter in the back seat and had to turn around and take her to daycare (which is close to home).

Put your computer, brief case, coffee mug, or something you need at work in the back seat so you are forced to check it.
2014-06-26 09:16:32 AM  
1 votes:
I could see a single mother or father with a ball buster of a baby having enough sleep deprivation to leave a baby in a car, there seem to be a segment of posters here who have this odd perception of infants and young children where they don't fall asleep in cars.  That said it is looking like this guy did it on purpose which is farking insane, true psychopath type stuff.
2014-06-26 09:03:19 AM  
1 votes:
cdn.charismanews.com
www.truthdig.com

But but.....children need a mom and dad...
2014-06-26 08:56:59 AM  
1 votes:
I'm listening to my 2 year old son playing right now, and it just hurts to think that anyone would intentionally do something so absolutely horrific to their little one. Sometimes I wish there were a hell.
2014-06-26 08:56:30 AM  
1 votes:

Taxbongo: 22 months?

Forgive me, I am unsure of the life cycle of toddlers, but at what age do they begin to speak? I am just curious if the 22 month old was conscience or not of what was happening.


They learn to understand language a long time before they can speak it.

By the time a kid is 18 months old they can probably say a couple dozed words (varies a LOT) but you should assume they can understand pretty much anything you say in front of them. By then they have very distinct personalities, circles of friends, a sense of humor and so on. They're pretty much little kids rather than babies.

Infants and toddlers at all ages know when something bad is happening to them and when they are in distress, the kid would probably have been terrified until the heat overcame him.

This is partly why I'd really hope they have a lot more on this guy than a few web searches - if he did this deliberately then he needs to rot in jail and not get off because of lazy prosecution. From the sounds of it there is a lot of other evidence they are collecting to build a solid case.
2014-06-26 08:52:21 AM  
1 votes:
This is obviously beyond a horrible thing to do to someone else, especially a child, but usually even adults are not in mental distress before losing consciousness to heatstroke.  Heat makes you feel tired.  Similar to fainting due to blood loss or hypoxia.  It is likely in my mind that the child was asleep when the father left and stayed asleep.  It doesn't make the father a better person, but it does give me fewer nightmares.
2014-06-26 08:46:53 AM  
1 votes:

Spanky McStupid: E5bie: mcnguyen: Gaylord Fister: It doesn't say if he googled that before or after his son died. If he did it afterwards, he just might have wanted to know how long the kid suffered.

Yeah, when he did those searches makes a big difference.  The only other thing mentioned in the article is that first responders didn't think his answers "made sense".  He could have just been really shaken up that he accidentally killed his kid.  Plus many first responders are idiots, just like any other group.  I'll wait for better info before sharpening my pitchforks.

Sometimes, you can just tell when a person is lying. First responders have experience with panicking, shaken up people. They have some idea about the range of reactions. Another thing mentioned in the article: it was his work's on-site daycare. Which sort of indicates that dropping off kid and picking up kid would be an every day thing, not a shared duty, which drops the likelihood of forgetting considerably. Maybe the question was asked, "Who put the kid in the car this morning?" at which point his play-acting body language went from detectable to obvious. Speculation, of course.

Personally, I'm ready with the pitchforks even if it was an accident (doubt it). That's not the sort of accident that careful parents have. You don't forget your kid. Especially not a toddler, whose existence shapes most of your waking moments outside of work. Doesn't. Happen.


[marcellusdrilling.com image 210x183]
Hold on; gotta sharpen mine and I'll go with you.


I have a 20-month-old-niece. I'll pitchfork with you.

The guy in TFA is shady. I kind of understood an incident that happened around here awhile back. A guy that had a family restaurant had his kid in his car and went to check on the restaurant briefly. He went in and found there was a grease fire or something in the kitchen and got wrapped up in taking care of that. By the time he remembered the kid, it was too late. I felt a bit for that guy but not the guy in TFA.
2014-06-26 08:45:22 AM  
1 votes:

MythDragon: How I would change the death penalty:

Jan 1st of every year we clean out death row. You can have your appeals up until then, but once the 1st hits, you're done. If you got there Dec 30th, it sucks to be you. You have a day and a half for appeals. Hope the next day is a business day. (I bet you'd see the crime rate drop around Christmas time!) Of course I would make the execution at noon, so you could sleep in. I have some compassion for these convicts..

Now how to handle the actual execution. You're gonna have several people to take care of at once. You don't really have time to waste strapping each on into the chair, putting the hood over their face, giving each one a prayer. So what you do is handcuff everyone together.  Like a big chain, like they could be the winning team at Red Rover. You then wire the first guy to hot and the last guy to neutral. Give them their last words (Attention group, you've got 30 seconds. Ready, go!) Say a quick prayer for the whole lot,  and turn on the juice. And clean up is a cinch. They are already linked. Just grab the first guy and drag the whole pile to the dump truck. Easy peasy, lemon squeezy.


In what amazing world are you living where crimes are solved, processed and criminals sentenced in this sort of time frame?
2014-06-26 08:20:04 AM  
1 votes:

MythDragon: Taxbongo: kling_klang_bed: I know someone who's gonna be getting tossed over the rails in prison, and kudos to whoever does it to this subhuman waste of sperm and egg. WTF kind of monster does this to ANY kid, much less their own?!?! I'll just take a wild guess and say he's just vile on a biological level.

Taking pleasure in death even when you feel it is warranted is sick. We are better than this.


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Or something more like:

31.media.tumblr.com

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvedSvJWT60
2014-06-26 08:11:25 AM  
1 votes:
You know I'm really not a fan of capital punishment but things like this make me very very stabby.
2014-06-26 08:07:02 AM  
1 votes:

bunner: Aero_70: Taxbongo: You find out why he is the way he is. If someone really wants to be rehabilitated they can be. It is all about what conservatives call "discipline". Redeeming this man and making him a productive member of society benefits   the tax payers and makes us look like humans instead of beasts

"I thought I could change him....." said no abused woman ever

If you could have this guy "rehabilitated" would you be OK with the state mandating that he is your childcare provider?
How about convicted rapists/abuser/murderer?... Would you let them be your wife/daughter/mother/son's personal assistant?

Most ostentatiously pious "progressives" are pretty NIMBY, as a rule.  "I want to save the world within 500' of me because I'm better than you." In other words, this dame.

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I'm not the one who is pissed that a black man is in the White House. When you can learn to treat your fellow man like yourself then you will evolve.
2014-06-26 08:05:23 AM  
1 votes:

bunner: Once upon a time, briefly, in America, there was justice, common sense, compassion, dignity, honesty and happy endings that occurred someplace besides a cinema screen.  *sigh*


LOL, when was that?
2014-06-26 07:56:09 AM  
1 votes:

Taxbongo: kling_klang_bed: I know someone who's gonna be getting tossed over the rails in prison, and kudos to whoever does it to this subhuman waste of sperm and egg. WTF kind of monster does this to ANY kid, much less their own?!?! I'll just take a wild guess and say he's just vile on a biological level.

Taking pleasure in death even when you feel it is warranted is sick. We are better than this.



i1.ytimg.com
"I'd take pleasure in guttin' you, boy"
2014-06-26 07:48:24 AM  
1 votes:

Mr. Right: /I subscribe to the "people can be rehabilitated" idea, but not only do US prisons rarely even attempt that, it's unlikely he's worth the effort anyway.

You're correct about the bloodthirst being vengeance, not justice.

I would have to disagree with the "people can be rehabilitated" notion.  Some people can, others cannot.  Psychiatry and psychology are not exact sciences but they can detect the difference between a personality disorder and a mental illness.  A personality disorder can be treated because the person can intellectually recognize that his behavior is deviant and, difficult though it be, can work to correct it.  The truly mentally ill person may exhibit the same behaviors but is intellectually incapable of recognizing that there is anything wrong.  He may be able to recognize that the same behavior is wrong if somebody else does it but is still incapable of recognizing it as wrong if he does it.  Those people cannot be rehabilitated and must be removed from society in a manner befitting their crime, whether that removal entails a humane execution or permanent incarceration.


Oh, not in every case, that's for sure, some brains are completely broken. Schizophrenics and psychotics are always going to be a danger to themselves and everyone around them, and narcissists tend to leave lots of damaged people in their wake. But psychopaths can be trained like dogs, even if they don't think the way average people do; BF Skinner both proved that and was an excellent example himself. The key is training them that being a good dog is more rewarding than being a selfish dick. I think this guy, who was otherwise pretty average and at least tried to be normal up until he went a little insane and decided to get rid of his child, could probably be trained and shamed back into a normal life.

But like I said, I don't think it's worth it, he's used up his big chance so fark him. I don't care if he's killed or imprisoned, but I think it'd be a waste to house him for 20-30 years on the off chance he'll become a productive member of society in his last few twilight years.

Well-trained psychos might become tin-pot dictators and little HOA Hitlers, or born-again assholes and even another Pat Buchanan, but that's still better than muggers and murderers, in my view.
2014-06-26 07:43:39 AM  
1 votes:

Taxbongo: You find out why he is the way he is. If someone really wants to be rehabilitated they can be. It is all about what conservatives call "discipline". Redeeming this man and making him a productive member of society benefits   the tax payers and makes us look like humans instead of beasts


"I thought I could change him....." said no abused woman ever

If you could have this guy "rehabilitated" would you be OK with the state mandating that he is your childcare provider?
How about convicted rapists/abuser/murderer?... Would you let them be your wife/daughter/mother/son's personal assistant?
2014-06-26 07:36:51 AM  
1 votes:

Target Builder: People search for info for all sorts of things online just out if curiosity - how many if you googled pressure cookers or cobalt-60 after various events earlier this year.


3.bp.blogspot.com
"Man googles for how long it would take to suffocate a small animal in a hot car."
        Soon after, his infant son suffocates in a hot car.   You can't explain that"


Actually, I can.
2014-06-26 07:36:48 AM  
1 votes:
A kid that age would have soiled his diaper by the time the dad went back to his car. The smell would have been overpowering in that heat. Even if he didn't notice at lunch, he didn't immediately notice at the end of the day? (he drove two miles before stopping in the parking lot).
2014-06-26 07:36:33 AM  
1 votes:
from the comments:


I donated money to the KFC girl. And I signed the petition arguing that murder charges be dropped against this guy. Evidently I'm just the biggest farking idiot on the Internet.

No, not the biggest. But one of the biggest.
Probably top 20.
2014-06-26 07:31:14 AM  
1 votes:
I'll never forget when I woke up from an afternoon nap, and I thought that I had left him in the car.  I ran out in my boxers screaming NO NO NO NO NO!!!

Then I saw the car was empty and that I was just being an idiot and that he was at his Mom's.

As I walked out my secondary objective was to note where the AK variant was and that all I had were hollow points and that it'd probably make a big mess and to do it in the bathtub and also to leave the door unlocked for the police and ambulance.  Run on sentence on purpose.

I'm not sure how to understand people when people are generally farking disgusting.
2014-06-26 07:24:48 AM  
1 votes:
As for all the psychologists who make a tidy sum stumping to turn slimy SOB's like this into lab rats instead of mulch, you do so because you chose to study this sort of sick f*ck and, frankly, unless you have no conscience whatsoever, you do so because you have a morbid fascination with such trash.  Which puts you about 2 MMPPI graph aberrations on the side of the bars without the toilet.  And you get paid for it.  Sort of like cops and thugs.  And yet, for all this fine toothed combing of slimy, remorseless, clinical narcissists, we still seem to have no dearth of them.
2014-06-26 07:24:19 AM  
1 votes:

Taxbongo: They call those "juries"


People who pass voir dire are ineligible for meaningful jury duty. Think about it. One side or the other thinks they'll be sympathetic to their case.

Thus, juries as they are already fail systematically. Add in all the special protections prosecutors enjoy and the underfunded defense lawyers and all the BS laws 200+ years of Republicans and Democrats pandering for votes?

America's legal system is worse than Westeros'.
2014-06-26 07:20:55 AM  
1 votes:

MagSeven: bunner: I'd like to buy this person lunch.  With Clyde Shelton.

That may be too obscure even for Fark. Cool movie though.

This guy....this guy.... If it doesn't take me more than an hour to remember a pack of Funyons I left in my truck, I'd imagine the kid factor cuts that "oh yeah!/Oh Fark!"  time down by about 45 minutes. Not to mention, as he drove back from "daycare" he didn't look in his rear-view mirror the entire time? What a horrible way to die for the kid. I hope they fry this dude.


The guy is completely full of shiat.  There is no way he wouldn't have noticed his kid in the back seat.

Fry the motherfarker.
2014-06-26 07:08:18 AM  
1 votes:

my lip balm addiction: So we fix Capital punishment and put some farking teeth in it.


Mon. 3:00 P.M. - "We hereby sentence you to death by execution by the state."

Tues. 7:00 A.M. - "Good morning, criminal.    Here is the meal you ordered.  Enjoy."

Tues. 9:30 A.M. - "OK, on your feet.  This is televised, btw!"

Tues. 9:41 A.M. *BANG*
2014-06-26 07:02:06 AM  
1 votes:
Taxbongo:
 spite.


I do not think this means what you think it means.
2014-06-26 06:56:21 AM  
1 votes:

poison_amy: Taxbongo: . If someone really wants to be rehabilitated they can be.


What about the ones who don't want to be rehabilitated?  Many criminals, if not most, have narcissistic personality disorder.  They don't "want to be rehabilitated" because they don't think there is anything wrong with them.  I work with criminals all day, every day.  The ones who want to be rehabilitated find a way and they never come back to prison.  The rest of them just learn to be better criminals.


Then we keep them in jail away from the community

It is never right for us to take a life out of spite.
2014-06-26 06:55:21 AM  
1 votes:

my lip balm addiction: Taxbongo: bindlestiff2600: namatad: MaudlinMutantMollusk: If this is true, this "man" should be burned alive

/the thought of the suffering that child must have gone through infuriates me

nope
death is way too good for people like this
life in prison, no parole, being beaten and raped daily by other inmates, oh yah, that's the one, just punishment for things like this guy

understand your position
still
if you have captured a rabid dog
do you put it down
or place in a cage and poke with sticks

put him down
(mind you if it takes a bit and he screams a lot - ill just quibble about the time its taking)

Besides making us feel better what else does executing people do?

Nothing. It is wrong to take a life. It shows that we are no better than them

Executing scumbags like that saves me tax money. You are obviously anti tax, so why are you so for wasting tax dollars on some scumbag like this to stay in jail for 60  years rather than have a single bullet fix things?


I am very pro-tax. I was trying to put it in a perspective that you could understand.

And you are right a bullet can fix things. But it comes at a cost: our humanity. Killing our fellow citizens makes us the scumbags.
2014-06-26 06:41:59 AM  
1 votes:

bunner: Taxbongo: So does locking them up until they are no longer a threat

That costs money.  A lot of it.  F*ck that.  If we're gonna live in a society that sucks money's dick, and that can not make the connection between a tax funded medicine model and a robust citizenry, we can throw pieces of trash like this away.  And as far as a chemical cocktail, ammo is about 34¢ a round.  When a dog goes rabid, you put it down.


Everything is resource intensive. People go for decades on death row just waiting and doing nothing but costing us a lot of money. If you wanted the cheapest route that would be rehabilitation.
2014-06-26 06:32:44 AM  
1 votes:
IIRC,  they are saying he placed the child in a rear-facing child seat. That makes no sense to me. As a mother and a grandmother who has done my share of buckling kids into the car,  I am sure that  well before that age (22 months) that child should have been in a seat that faces forward. Why would he do that? So he can later claim he couldn't see the boy in his rear-view mirror?

/speculation is all I've got
//sad
2014-06-26 06:28:09 AM  
1 votes:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: the thought of the suffering that child must have gone through infuriates me


For what little it's worth from what I understand the heat causes unconsciousness pretty quickly. It's uncomfortable, but the suffering is not great. So, at least there's that. :/

As to this asshole...SMH. I wonder if he was doing it for life insurance or because he didn't want to eventually pay child support or what. I just...can't fathom it. Bet he suicides in jail the worthless piece of shiat.
2014-06-26 06:25:04 AM  
1 votes:

Taxbongo: bindlestiff2600: namatad: MaudlinMutantMollusk: If this is true, this "man" should be burned alive

/the thought of the suffering that child must have gone through infuriates me

nope
death is way too good for people like this
life in prison, no parole, being beaten and raped daily by other inmates, oh yah, that's the one, just punishment for things like this guy

understand your position
still
if you have captured a rabid dog
do you put it down
or place in a cage and poke with sticks

put him down
(mind you if it takes a bit and he screams a lot - ill just quibble about the time its taking)

Besides making us feel better what else does executing people do?

Nothing. It is wrong to take a life. It shows that we are no better than them


Well, it also ensures that they won't be killing anyone else. Now you will probably say that being locked away in prison does that, but people kill each other and guards all the time.

/not really pro-death penalty, per se
2014-06-26 06:24:03 AM  
1 votes:

Taxbongo: kling_klang_bed: I know someone who's gonna be getting tossed over the rails in prison, and kudos to whoever does it to this subhuman waste of sperm and egg. WTF kind of monster does this to ANY kid, much less their own?!?! I'll just take a wild guess and say he's just vile on a biological level.

Taking pleasure in death even when you feel it is warranted is sick. We are better than this.


Fair enough. May he have a long, horrifying existence riddled with constant pain, terror and fear.
2014-06-26 06:17:47 AM  
1 votes:
I know someone who's gonna be getting tossed over the rails in prison, and kudos to whoever does it to this subhuman waste of sperm and egg. WTF kind of monster does this to ANY kid, much less their own?!?! I'll just take a wild guess and say he's just vile on a biological level.
2014-06-26 06:16:04 AM  
1 votes:
Did anyone actually think it was an accident when they first heard the story?
I'm surprised he never mentioned some dark skinned men forcibly closing the doors to his car and gave him an amnesia drug that lasted for 7 hours.

That's some extra bad murder shiat.
2014-06-26 06:16:03 AM  
1 votes:

mcnguyen: Gaylord Fister: It doesn't say if he googled that before or after his son died. If he did it afterwards, he just might have wanted to know how long the kid suffered.

Yeah, when he did those searches makes a big difference.  The only other thing mentioned in the article is that first responders didn't think his answers "made sense".  He could have just been really shaken up that he accidentally killed his kid.  Plus many first responders are idiots, just like any other group.  I'll wait for better info before sharpening my pitchforks.


Sometimes, you can just tell when a person is lying. First responders have experience with panicking, shaken up people. They have some idea about the range of reactions. Another thing mentioned in the article: it was his work's on-site daycare. Which sort of indicates that dropping off kid and picking up kid would be an every day thing, not a shared duty, which drops the likelihood of forgetting considerably. Maybe the question was asked, "Who put the kid in the car this morning?" at which point his play-acting body language went from detectable to obvious. Speculation, of course.

Personally, I'm ready with the pitchforks even if it was an accident (doubt it). That's not the sort of accident that careful parents have. You don't forget your kid. Especially not a toddler, whose existence shapes most of your waking moments outside of work. Doesn't. Happen.
2014-06-26 06:08:26 AM  
1 votes:
I believe they also have video of him going to the car on his lunch break, opening the door, putting something inside, and walking away.
2014-06-26 05:59:35 AM  
1 votes:

if_i_really_have_to: Someone in the police force leaked this detail to the media intentionally.  What sort of bullshiat is this?   How is that in any way appropriate or acceptable?  Whatever this guy did, the person who leaked the details to the press should be fired.

/Way to go tainting the jury pool, genius


It's also interesting that considering how many farkers are mistrustful of or just plain hate the police, they're lining right up and accepting some vague statements made by an anonymous cop.
2014-06-26 05:56:17 AM  
1 votes:
www.morethings.com
2014-06-26 05:53:05 AM  
1 votes:

Green81: Hey -- lets not jump to any conclusions just yet, you know innocent until proven...*Awl who the fark am I kidding*

Break his spine, blind him, put him in complete isolation, and tube feed him. Hell isn't pain -- hell is being paralyzed and given zero stimulation... for the remainder of your life.


robohobo: Toss him in with the rapists for 10 years, with daily beatings and rapings, then drop him off in the middle of death valley until he dies.

But I'm sure there are those who feel he should be rehabilitated and let back into society.


That bloodthirst makes you no better than him in the first place, even if you haven't killed (yet). Just execute him and remove him from society if he's guilty; society is better served with quick and cheap solutions, there's no point in prolonging it so random angry people can get their jollies from a distance. Turn some torture porn on if you need that.

/I subscribe to the "people can be rehabilitated" idea, but not only do US prisons rarely even attempt that, it's unlikely he's worth the effort anyway.
//First-responders should have double-tapped him.
2014-06-26 05:46:28 AM  
1 votes:

JohnAnnArbor: starsrift: stonelotus: starsrift: Was the search after the death?

/ Pollyanna I am

more like too lazy to RTFA.

I did RTFA. And the article doesn't put any kind of timestamp on the search.

Sensationalist journalism likes to do shiat like that.

Did you read headline?


Neither the short Gawker article or the story Gawker linked to mentioned when the search occurred.   There was no quote or any attribution anywhere claiming it happened before the incident.  That headline could have been written by a random intern.
2014-06-26 05:42:22 AM  
1 votes:

JohnAnnArbor: What's the motive?


He wanted to put a meaningful dent in the Capital Punishment Debate among the anti-death penalty crowd
2014-06-26 05:34:03 AM  
1 votes:
1.bp.blogspot.com
2014-06-26 05:28:37 AM  
1 votes:
I'd like to buy this person lunch.  With Clyde Shelton.
2014-06-26 05:20:04 AM  
1 votes:

sno man: Every once in a while one of these come along and you wish for eye-for-an-eye punishment.  Lock this guy in his car, in an adult sized car seat, all strapped in for safety. Make sure it in a sunny spot, roll up the windows, lock the doors and walk away. Bye waster of O2


Are there really adult-sized car seats? I think those are just called car seats.
2014-06-26 05:18:16 AM  
1 votes:
Hey -- lets not jump to any conclusions just yet, you know innocent until proven...*Awl who the fark am I kidding*

Break his spine, blind him, put him in complete isolation, and tube feed him. Hell isn't pain -- hell is being paralyzed and given zero stimulation... for the remainder of your life.
2014-06-26 05:16:20 AM  
1 votes:
Oops, I forgot to drop my kid off at day care.  Oops, I forgot to pick my kid up from day care.  Oops, I didn't notice my kid in the car while driving for a while?

Why the hell did he pull into some random parking lot on the way home?  Whether he had accidentally or purposefully left him in the car all day, that doesn't make sense.  Either you see a child in your car when you walk up to it, freak out and check on him then, or you go about fabricating your alibi.  Either way this guy is monumentally stupid and should not have bred in the first place.

/Adoption solves such problems more humanely than some other options
2014-06-26 05:14:22 AM  
1 votes:
Toss him in with the rapists for 10 years, with daily beatings and rapings, then drop him off in the middle of death valley until he dies.

But I'm sure there are those who feel he should be rehabilitated and let back into society.
2014-06-26 05:01:24 AM  
1 votes:
Was the search after the death?

/ Pollyanna I am
2014-06-26 12:25:14 AM  
1 votes:
Yipes.

That's all I can muster. Just... yipes.
 
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