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(Gawker)   Remember the story about that father who "forgot" his beloved son in a hot SUV? Turns out he also forgot to delete the browser history after his online research on how long it would take an animal to die if it were trapped in a hot car   (gawker.com) divider line 447
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2014-06-26 05:34:10 PM  

RobSeace: bunner: Yeah, there's always been dickbags. It seems to have only recently come into the realm of a fashion accessory, though.

I'm not sure exactly what you mean by that... People are acting like assholes to impress others with their supposed coolness? Well, bullies have been doing that forever...

Also, you may need to consider that in the old days, you and everyone else weren't on the Internet... You only interacted with a relatively small number of people, and mostly all from the same local area... And, in face-to-face interactions, even people who are assholes at heart are usually much more polite and civil (or at least pretend to be to your face)... But, give those same people the anonymity of an Internet message board, and the Greater Internet Farkwad Theory kicks in:

[fishbowl.pastiche.org image 500x152]

But, even that sort of behavior has always existed in the form of things like nasty graffiti on bathroom walls... If someone can be a prick anonymously, lots of people will choose to do so... It's just so much easier for them to do so now on the Internet; and, there are so many of them since nearly all of humanity is online, and every single person no matter where they're from can hear from any of them at any time...

Basically, I think it's not that more people are becoming assholes; it's that all the assholes are now just more visible!


"Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth." - Oscar Wilde
 
2014-06-26 05:37:22 PM  
Pumpernickel bread: "Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth." - Oscar Wilde

"Or at least tell you to f*ckzors j0or maz0rs, libtard, loozor, hah, z0mg l0ol." - bunner
 
2014-06-26 05:42:04 PM  

rga184: Two Dogs Farking: As the father of a young boy, I can't express how much this disgusts me. I am completely befuddled.

At the very least, the father needs to be castrated, preferably as painfully as possible - with a hot fireplace poker or by pitbull - to ensure that he never reproduces again.

Rocuronium drip, IV nutrition, hooked up to a vent, completely awake for weeks.

Maybe alternate the temp between super hot and support cold continuously, or stop the vent just enough for him to get hyperbaric and nearly pass out, bring him back and repeat again at random time intervals.

Leave his psyche a bowl of soft mush.

/couldn't actually go through with it, despite it all. But it's the only torture I can imagine worthy of somebody like that. Would not be sad if I found out he was locked in a room for a year going through that.


Yep, knew somebody would have said it first.

/I've heard paramedics say that they've had patients describe being on paralytics and intubated while conscious is like being in hell.
 
2014-06-26 05:42:59 PM  
Where's that place in your personal page photo, Rob?  That's some top shelf scenery.
 
2014-06-26 05:47:32 PM  

Ed Grubermann: [www.encyclopediaofarkansas.net image 389x550]


Just make sure you neglect to wet the sponge on his head.

/thank you Stephen King :)
 
2014-06-26 06:16:03 PM  

bunner: Where's that place in your personal page photo, Rob?  That's some top shelf scenery.


Top of Cannon Mountain in NH... That was taken with a really crappy camera probably a decade or so ago now, but I've got a few other equally crap quality shots from up there on my homepage...
 
2014-06-26 06:17:15 PM  

brimed03: tlars699: jshine: If true, it suggests that this was a premeditated murder, and this person should go to prison for a very, very long time.

...but what's really scary is how bloodthirsty people on Fark appear to be.  Good lord, I'm glad we've got police and prisons to cow you all into behaving in a civilized way, because I'd be terrified to see what half of the posters here would be like if left to their own devices in some sort of post-apocalyptic anarchy scenario.  The Eighth amendment exists for a reason: because we're supposed to at least try to behave better than criminals -- not invent the most gruesome possible revenge fantasies and outdo the savagery of the criminals we punish.

You really think they would actually enact this? Hell, even if they were given all of the tools and time and freedom necessary, they look at you, look at him, and look at you and say,
"You know what? He's not worth it."

Like Bilbo and Gollum.

Interesting example. Except Bilbo didn't say of Gollum "he's not worth it." He spared Gollum (a) because he still saw a divine/intelligent spark in him and (b) he believed in Gollum's potential redemption. A redemption that might have happened if not for Sam's taunting and brutality, or the "betrayal" forced by Faramir and his company.

You might be right that folks here wouldn't carry out the revenge fantasies they've written here. But Bilbo is not their archetype.

I also disagree that most of them would turn away based on "he isn't worth it." I think most of them would turn away in horror of what they were about to do-- in recognition of how it would scar their own souls, and diminish their own humanity.

And some, I think, would turn away for the same reason they're writing these fantasies: in this guy they recognize, on some level, a kindred spirit. Not that they would necessarily commit this kind of crime. But we are all capable of the very best and the very worst things ever done. And some folks here know their dark side is closer to the surface than is comfortable, and it terrifies them. And when they see it break free in others, they react with all the savagery of their own terror about themselves.


Nice armchair psychology. A kindred spirit? fark off pal. Just because some of us have wild imaginations that lean a little on the dark and morbid side and can let those thoughts run a little too freely when we get easily emotional and upset about things like child murder doesn't mean we're "kindred spirits". I mean, shiat, look at some of the farked up things Alan Moore and George RR Martin have written. You're kindred spirit argument is the same argument that lead to the Comics Code Authority and leads people to blame things like Marylin Manson and horror movies when people go on killing sprees. Just because some of us type some farked up revenge scenarios to help us emotionally process these things doesn't mean we are anything like this guy. It's just talk and bluster from anonymous people on the internet and not worth getting all Freudian about it.
 
2014-06-26 06:27:23 PM  
Did the kid have those shoes that squeak when they walk - because those are really annoying.
 
2014-06-26 06:33:27 PM  

Loreweaver: Taxbongo:

It is never right for us to take a life out of spite.

On this point, you are correct.

One of the times where I universally support the death penalty is when dealing with serial rapists, serial killers, and mass murderers. And the reason is simple: They have proven that they will be a danger to society for as long as they live. They cannot be rehabilitated, and they can never be released from jail without putting the public in danger. Therefore, there is no point in paying for their room and board for 50 years.

All others need to be taken on a case-by-case basis. Obviously, if you have a 1st-Degree Murder case where the evidence is irrefutable, and the evidence shows that the convict will commit more murder if ever released, then it's probably best to eliminate them permanently.


I am mostly against the death penalty, but there are certain cases where I can't disagree with it. Look up the Lester St Masacre that happened in Memphis a few years ago. A horrific crime, the perpetrator is non remorseful (he even smiled and applauded the prosecutor after he asked the jury to impose the death sentence), and he did it all over a farking jacket. I want to show compassion and sympathy (yes even to rapists and murderers), but some of these motherfarkers just need to be put on ice.

/Not saying the guy from TFA deserves the death penalty necessarily, just in general
 
2014-06-26 06:38:17 PM  

glmorrs1: Loreweaver: Taxbongo:

It is never right for us to take a life out of spite.

On this point, you are correct.

One of the times where I universally support the death penalty is when dealing with serial rapists, serial killers, and mass murderers. And the reason is simple: They have proven that they will be a danger to society for as long as they live. They cannot be rehabilitated, and they can never be released from jail without putting the public in danger. Therefore, there is no point in paying for their room and board for 50 years.

All others need to be taken on a case-by-case basis. Obviously, if you have a 1st-Degree Murder case where the evidence is irrefutable, and the evidence shows that the convict will commit more murder if ever released, then it's probably best to eliminate them permanently.

I am mostly against the death penalty, but there are certain cases where I can't disagree with it. Look up the Lester St Masacre that happened in Memphis a few years ago. A horrific crime, the perpetrator is non remorseful (he even smiled and applauded the prosecutor after he asked the jury to impose the death sentence), and he did it all over a farking jacket. I want to show compassion and sympathy (yes even to rapists and murderers), but some of these motherfarkers just need to be put on ice.

/Not saying the guy from TFA deserves the death penalty necessarily, just in general


We had a guy from my unit butcher a young couple and almost kill another guy on Robins AFB a few years ago. He grinned in his mugshot. He's the only USAF guy on death row and will most likely die of old age there. I wouldn't shed a tear if they carried out his sentence.
 
2014-06-26 06:41:47 PM  

freetomato: Robins AFB


Hey, I graduated from HS there. The school, not the air force base. My dad worked at the AFB.
 
2014-06-26 06:43:48 PM  

cryinoutloud: freetomato: Robins AFB

Hey, I graduated from HS there. The school, not the air force base. My dad worked at the AFB.


Small world. I hear Victoria Principal is from there too.
 
2014-06-26 07:24:02 PM  

robohobo: Toss him in with the rapists for 10 years, with daily beatings and rapings, then drop him off in the middle of death valley until he dies.

But I'm sure there are those who feel he should be rehabilitated and let back into society.


There was a petition going around (which has since been halted) that asked for the murder charge to be dropped.  People on Facebook reading the AJC articles were claiming that "everyone forgets" and "it was all an accident".
 
2014-06-26 07:55:39 PM  

freetomato: cryinoutloud: freetomato: Robins AFB
Hey, I graduated from HS there. The school, not the air force base. My dad worked at the AFB.
Small world. I hear Victoria Principal is from there too.


in my class! No, just kidding, she was older. But Miss Georgia of 198-something was in my class.
 
2014-06-26 08:05:32 PM  

Galileo's Daughter: robohobo: Toss him in with the rapists for 10 years, with daily beatings and rapings, then drop him off in the middle of death valley until he dies.

But I'm sure there are those who feel he should be rehabilitated and let back into society.

There was a petition going around (which has since been halted) that asked for the murder charge to be dropped.  People on Facebook reading the AJC articles were claiming that "everyone forgets" and "it was all an accident".


You have to wonder what evidence we don't know about. What we do know, him forgetting about the baby within a five minute drive, and not noticing him till he'd been on the road a bit (didn't smell a dirty diaper?) is unsettling. It's not like it's the first time this has happened in Georgia. Its the first time the parent has been charged here, to my knowledge.

http://www.ggweather.com/heat/
 
2014-06-26 08:24:45 PM  

Two Dogs Farking: As the father of a young boy, I can't express how much this disgusts me. I am completely befuddled.

At the very least, the father needs to be castrated, preferably as painfully as possible - with a hot fireplace poker or by pitbull - to ensure that he never reproduces again.


Castration for murder?

Yeah that makes complete sense.

WTF is wrong with you?
 
2014-06-26 09:26:22 PM  

Mr. Right: It is my opinion, shared by many others, that every right has concomitant responsibilities. Among the concomitant responsibilities of the right to live is to respect the lives of others. When someone, such as dear old dad in this case, so egregiously and callously disrespects the right of another to live and especially when he causes the death of one who is dependent on him - legally as well as physically - then justice is served by depriving him of his right to live. One of the functions of the justice system is to determine which rights one loses when he fails to exercise his responsibilities.


My apologies. I totally agree with you. I was arguing from the other end. It is my opinion that a sterile, clinical death does not constitute "justice". He should be put in a car with windows rolled up, and spend as much time dying (in as much discomfort,) as his poor child did. If it was indeed deliberate, I say "let the punishment fit the crime."
 
2014-06-26 10:06:25 PM  
If he didn't notice the child all the way to work, and didn't notice the child when he backed out of his parking space (which usually requires a glance over the shoulder) how did he notice the child when he finally stopped? Either he could see the child, or he couldn't. If he could see him from the driver's seat when he finally pulled over, then he could see him when he drove to work and especially when he left work.
 
2014-06-26 10:17:59 PM  

namegoeshere: If he didn't notice the child all the way to work, and didn't notice the child when he backed out of his parking space (which usually requires a glance over the shoulder) how did he notice the child when he finally stopped? Either he could see the child, or he couldn't. If he could see him from the driver's seat when he finally pulled over, then he could see him when he drove to work and especially when he left work.


He didn't notice until he got in front of an audience where he could act frantic, duh. You can't just murder your child casually and get away with it. It takes planning.

/Actually probably lots of parents do.
 
2014-06-26 10:44:02 PM  

HAMMERTOE: Mr. Right: It is my opinion, shared by many others, that every right has concomitant responsibilities. Among the concomitant responsibilities of the right to live is to respect the lives of others. When someone, such as dear old dad in this case, so egregiously and callously disrespects the right of another to live and especially when he causes the death of one who is dependent on him - legally as well as physically - then justice is served by depriving him of his right to live. One of the functions of the justice system is to determine which rights one loses when he fails to exercise his responsibilities.

My apologies. I totally agree with you. I was arguing from the other end. It is my opinion that a sterile, clinical death does not constitute "justice". He should be put in a car with windows rolled up, and spend as much time dying (in as much discomfort,) as his poor child did. If it was indeed deliberate, I say "let the punishment fit the crime."


I obviously misunderstood the question.  While I do support the death penalty, I do have to wonder if killing this guy in the manner used to kill his son is really justice or if that is a kind of reactionary vengeance.  The father and grandfather in me wants this guy's entire hide sanded with a 50 grit sandpaper on a belt sander, then dunked in very salty water, followed by every one of his fingertips smashed with a 28 oz. checker-faced framing hammer and then put into the car.  It might really be fun to have about 2 cups of gas in the tank and let the car run with the air conditioner on until it runs out of gas.  Unlike his son, this guy is aware and he knows what's going to happen.  The emotional side of me wants him to suffer horribly.

The rational side of me says No!  Taking his life is one thing.  Torturing him is another.  I will say that I can't lose any sleep over whether or not he's comfortable or whether the drugs are painless.  That argument is pure hokum, IMO.  There is nothing wrong with an electric chair,a firing squad, or hanging.  In my opinion, justice is served by depriving him of his life.  Torturing him debases the executioner.

Although, you may be able to tell from my description of what I'd like to do with him that I have given this sort of revenge more than a little thought during my lifetime.  I've got a lot more creative ways of torture in the back of my mind.  I find them to be a fantasy release.  Hopefully, they will forever stay fantasy or I'll be the one whose death penalty is being decided.
 
2014-06-26 10:54:46 PM  

Mr. Right: While I do support the death penalty, I do have to wonder if killing this guy in the manner used to kill his son is really justice or if that is a kind of reactionary vengeance.


The problem with the death penalty as a deterrent is that it happens   - - - > over there someplace in a small room, out of view and nice and tidy.  It may as well be some geezer falling over from natural causes, a rerun of I Love Lucy airing in Uganda or a dog getting hit by a car 60 blocks away.  It doesn't get on the radar.  It's a footnote.  The apprentice felons we want to frighten with it never see it or hear of it unless they switch on the news for a 20 second soundbite before the weather.
 
2014-06-26 11:07:32 PM  

sno man: Every once in a while one of these come along and you wish for eye-for-an-eye punishment.  Lock this guy in his car, in an adult sized car seat, all strapped in for safety. Make sure it in a sunny spot, roll up the windows, lock the doors and walk away. Bye waster of O2


Yep.
 
2014-06-26 11:20:25 PM  

bunner: Mr. Right: While I do support the death penalty, I do have to wonder if killing this guy in the manner used to kill his son is really justice or if that is a kind of reactionary vengeance.

The problem with the death penalty as a deterrent is that it happens   - - - > over there someplace in a small room, out of view and nice and tidy.  It may as well be some geezer falling over from natural causes, a rerun of I Love Lucy airing in Uganda or a dog getting hit by a car 60 blocks away.  It doesn't get on the radar.  It's a footnote.  The apprentice felons we want to frighten with it never see it or hear of it unless they switch on the news for a 20 second soundbite before the weather.


Personally, I don't believe in the death penalty under any circumstances. ...but that being said, if it is to be carried out, it should be public. What the State does to its citizens should be done in the light of day. Also, that generates maximum deterrent effect, for whatever it's worth.

I say a guillotine on the state capitol lawn at noon on a weekend. People can bring the family, and the local stations can carry it live. Nobody who sees it would ever forget, and decapitation is swift and painless.
 
2014-06-26 11:31:08 PM  
Knew he was lying.

Once the first couple of accidental deaths started to air on the news, the sympathy for grieving parents started, and the PSAs about methods on how to remember your kids were in the car started to air
I said to myself, "Well, now anybody wanting to kill a kid and get away with it knows how to do it."

Boy Cleetus, you dun goofed hard and farked up a foolproof plan.

Guy looks like a slow mouth-breather to boot.
 
2014-06-26 11:36:14 PM  

bunner: Mr. Right: While I do support the death penalty, I do have to wonder if killing this guy in the manner used to kill his son is really justice or if that is a kind of reactionary vengeance.

The problem with the death penalty as a deterrent is that it happens   - - - > over there someplace in a small room, out of view and nice and tidy.  It may as well be some geezer falling over from natural causes, a rerun of I Love Lucy airing in Uganda or a dog getting hit by a car 60 blocks away.  It doesn't get on the radar.  It's a footnote.  The apprentice felons we want to frighten with it never see it or hear of it unless they switch on the news for a 20 second soundbite before the weather.


I believe it's a mistake to argue that the death penalty should be considered a deterrent.  Although it certainly deters the one who received it!  and the death penalty certainly reduces the recidivism rate.  padumpah!

I have long argued that deterrence comes not from the severity of the penalty but the certainty.  Look at kids.  If you have a parent who keeps threatening but never follows through, the kid is soon out of control.  If you have a parent who follows through on every threat but makes threats randomly or capriciously. you have a very confused kid who is eventually out of control.  If you have a parent who follows through on threats but is consistent and judicious in making the threats, your chances of having a well-adjusted and well-behaved child go up exponentially.

If you look at crime statistics, a good number of crimes go unsolved.  A good number of those arrested and charged go free.  On the other side, you have stories of innocents serving life sentences.  Our system of justice seems, to the casual observer, to be inconsistent and rather  a gamble.  When you find prosecutors who rigorously and evenhandedly enforce the laws, the laws are better followed.  That is the true deterrent.
 
2014-06-27 12:08:40 AM  
If properly publicized for the most disgusting and irredeemable offenders, I think it would be a dandy deterrent.

I am often reminded of the joke about the preacher's mule.

A parishioner needs to get his wife into town, but his horse is not well, so he asks the preacher if he can borrow his mule.  The preacher gladly offers his mule for the man's use, but pauses as he gives him the reins and say; "now, see, this mule is sort of special.  He doesn't respond to normal commands like whoa or giddy up.  If you want him to start walking, you have to say 'hallelujah!', and if you want him to stop you say 'amen', got it?"  The preacher goes back inside and the man mounts the mule to go and pick up his wife at home and says "hallelujah!".  Nothing.  "Amen!".  Nothing.  "Praise the Lord!".  The mule doesn't budge.  After nearly an hour of this, the preacher comes back out and asks the man why he is still there.  The man tells him of going through a litany of religious exclamations, over and over, to no avail.  The preacher says "Ahhh, I forgot", picks up a two by four and belts the mule across the chops as hard as he can.

"First", he said "you got to get his attention".
 
2014-06-27 12:19:57 AM  

bunner: If properly publicized for the most disgusting and irredeemable offenders, I think it would be a dandy deterrent.

I am often reminded of the joke about the preacher's mule.

A parishioner needs to get his wife into town, but his horse is not well, so he asks the preacher if he can borrow his mule.  The preacher gladly offers his mule for the man's use, but pauses as he gives him the reins and say; "now, see, this mule is sort of special.  He doesn't respond to normal commands like whoa or giddy up.  If you want him to start walking, you have to say 'hallelujah!', and if you want him to stop you say 'amen', got it?"  The preacher goes back inside and the man mounts the mule to go and pick up his wife at home and says "hallelujah!".  Nothing.  "Amen!".  Nothing.  "Praise the Lord!".  The mule doesn't budge.  After nearly an hour of this, the preacher comes back out and asks the man why he is still there.  The man tells him of going through a litany of religious exclamations, over and over, to no avail.  The preacher says "Ahhh, I forgot", picks up a two by four and belts the mule across the chops as hard as he can.

"First", he said "you got to get his attention".


Wait. You mentioned a 'joke'. Still waiting.
 
2014-06-27 12:20:41 AM  

John Buck 41: Wait. You mentioned a 'joke'. Still waiting.


What a coincidence.
 
2014-06-27 12:30:53 AM  

bunner: John Buck 41: Wait. You mentioned a 'joke'. Still waiting.

What a coincidence.


Ok, I give up. Off to bed. Looking fwd to reading your explanation at 8:15a tomorrow.
 
2014-06-27 12:32:15 AM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: I think i'll decline to call for this guy's punishment until we know more from actual legit sources. Like a court of law or official inquiry or something like that.

"Search history" could be anything.

This is kind of Internet 101, isn't it?


Agreed on all counts. As usual with online forums, Fark is pulling out the pitchforks and torches before the monster has been proven a monster.

/Didn't anyone here read Shelley's _Frankenstein?_
//or see Brookes' "Young Frankenstein" at least?
///FOOTSHTEPSH! FOOTSHTEPSH!
 
2014-06-27 12:32:38 AM  

John Buck 41: bunner: John Buck 41: Wait. You mentioned a 'joke'. Still waiting.

What a coincidence.

Ok, I give up. Off to bed. Looking fwd to reading your explanation at 8:15a tomorrow.


I wake up about noon.  I'll see what I can do.  :  )
 
2014-06-27 12:35:37 AM  

bunner: brimed03: There's no point, and potentially a lot of harm, in painting the past as some paradise lost.

I'm not.  But I was around when, by and large, rude, hateful, violent arrogant sh*tbag wasn't the new Led Zeppelin T-Shirt.  People could "say what they really mean" 1,000 times a day without it = being a dick.


A lot of very horrible, frightening, sickening things were said in very polite terms "back in the day." Frankly, I find that a lot more chilling.
 
2014-06-27 12:38:27 AM  

bunner: brimed03: bunner: As for all the psychologists who make a tidy sum stumping to turn slimy SOB's like this into lab rats instead of mulch, you do so because you chose to study this sort of sick f*ck and, frankly, unless you have no conscience whatsoever, you do so because you have a morbid fascination with such trash.  Which puts you about 2 MMPPI graph aberrations on the side of the bars without the toilet.  And you get paid for it.  Sort of like cops and thugs.  And yet, for all this fine toothed combing of slimy, remorseless, clinical narcissists, we still seem to have no dearth of them.

Bunner, you're on my favorites list, but this is one of the dumbest posts I've ever read.

I don't think either one of us needs any favors, then..

Did you mean it or are your emotions just getting the best of you?

Psychologists have been studying these "slimy SOBs" for a host of reasons. The one I like most is: in the hopes of recognizing future slimy SOBs *before* they kill, and intervening before innocents die.

Yeah, your method - (see last paragraph) -sounds real tough on crime and great. What does it do for Johnny 2054? He still dies. Because *you* never fixed the sickness, you just killed the patient.

Gleefully.  there's a tipping point on the ROI of having coffee with psychos and just shutting them off.

We've been studying these people for, what, maybe 150 years? We've been *seriously* studying them for maybe 70 years? And you're seriously dismissing psychology? Shiat man, how many *centuries* did it take for us to go from leeches to penicillin? Are you f*ckin' kidding me?

And You just put enough straw on my lawn to feed a horse.  We all have our shortcomings.


So: the non-responsive response. So glad you could contribute to the discussion.
 
2014-06-27 12:46:16 AM  

brimed03: So: the non-responsive response. So glad you could contribute to the discussion.


So, "hey, I think I'll sit on my ass and blow this guy some crap for a while, so everybody can see me dis his ass".  Ditto, Plato.
 
2014-06-27 12:48:04 AM  

bunner: Ah, the part of the thread where I get dogpiled because that will certainly lend unassailable rectitude to whatever point isn't being made.  You can set your watch by the kneejerk farm, here.   :  )


Wow.

So after responding to you I continued reading the thread and read all the "dogpiling" on you.

There comes a point where a sane man considers that "well... maybe it *is* me."

Your last several responses (including the one to me) lacked any serious response or, indeed, coherency. No hyperbole there. You're spitting foam.

But no. You're not paranoid. "We" really are all out to get you.

/what the hell happened to you? I previously favorited you not because I agreed with everything you said, but because you said everything in an interesting and thought-provoking way. And suddenly you go the full derp. Something go seriously wrong for you today?
 
2014-06-27 12:51:03 AM  

ReverendJynxed: bunner: ReverendJynxed: Now we have merit badges in trolling. It definitely is a different time and mindset. I got nothing but more pissant insults, signifying nothing.  Have one.

I was agreeing. What's your farking damage? Youth?


Bunner, you see what I mean? Full derp! You're even turning on people who agree with you, like some kind of berserker. What the hell happened to you today?
 
2014-06-27 12:51:05 AM  

brimed03: what the hell happened to you?


I said something that you didn't agree with.  And that's about enough, if you don't mind.

brimed03: You're spitting foam.


All the hardcore troll cheerleaders ae in bed, now.
 
2014-06-27 12:52:22 AM  

brimed03: Full derp! You're even turning on people who agree with you


Apparently not.  You can stop trolling now.  The dog is barking but the lights ain't coming on.  *sigh*
 
2014-06-27 01:01:23 AM  

bunner: When I was a kid, I'd hear the local neighborhood ladies pissing smirk and venom and gossip at and about each other and I had to walk away.  Like now.  *click*


Huh. Was that back in the day, when-- how did you put it? Oh yes:

"I was around when, by and large, rude, hateful, violent arrogant sh*tbag wasn't the new Led Zeppelin T-Shirt.  People could "say what they really mean" 1,000 times a day without it = being a dick."

That was back when "there was justice, common sense, compassion, dignity, honesty and happy endings that occurred someplace besides a cinema screen in America," right?

Golly, I'm just a little confused here. Or maybe-- here's a thought-- maybe you've entered your yelling-at-clouds phase of life.
 
2014-06-27 01:07:44 AM  

glmorrs1: brimed03: tlars699: jshine: If true, it suggests that this was a premeditated murder, and this person should go to prison for a very, very long time.

...but what's really scary is how bloodthirsty people on Fark appear to be.  Good lord, I'm glad we've got police and prisons to cow you all into behaving in a civilized way, because I'd be terrified to see what half of the posters here would be like if left to their own devices in some sort of post-apocalyptic anarchy scenario.  The Eighth amendment exists for a reason: because we're supposed to at least try to behave better than criminals -- not invent the most gruesome possible revenge fantasies and outdo the savagery of the criminals we punish.

You really think they would actually enact this? Hell, even if they were given all of the tools and time and freedom necessary, they look at you, look at him, and look at you and say,
"You know what? He's not worth it."

Like Bilbo and Gollum.

Interesting example. Except Bilbo didn't say of Gollum "he's not worth it." He spared Gollum (a) because he still saw a divine/intelligent spark in him and (b) he believed in Gollum's potential redemption. A redemption that might have happened if not for Sam's taunting and brutality, or the "betrayal" forced by Faramir and his company.

You might be right that folks here wouldn't carry out the revenge fantasies they've written here. But Bilbo is not their archetype.

I also disagree that most of them would turn away based on "he isn't worth it." I think most of them would turn away in horror of what they were about to do-- in recognition of how it would scar their own souls, and diminish their own humanity.

And some, I think, would turn away for the same reason they're writing these fantasies: in this guy they recognize, on some level, a kindred spirit. Not that they would necessarily commit this kind of crime. But we are all capable of the very best and the very worst things ever done. And some folks here know their dark side is closer to the surface than is comfortable, and it terrifies them. And when they see it break free in others, they react with all the savagery of their own terror about themselves.

Nice armchair psychology. A kindred spirit? fark off pal. Just because some of us have wild imaginations that lean a little on the dark and morbid side and can let those thoughts run a little too freely when we get easily emotional and upset about things like child murder doesn't mean we're "kindred spirits". I mean, shiat, look at some of the farked up things Alan Moore and George RR Martin have written. You're kindred spirit argument is the same argument that lead to the Comics Code Authority and leads people to blame things like Marylin Manson and horror movies when people go on killing sprees. Just because some of us type some farked up revenge scenarios to help us emotionally process these things doesn't mean we are anything like this guy. It's just talk and bluster from anonymous people on the internet and not worth getting all Freudian about it.


Wowww... You've got a lot of pent-up anger there fred. Might want to see a shrink about it.
 
2014-06-27 03:55:14 AM  
That'd be a horrible way to go.
 
2014-06-27 04:13:49 AM  
The moment he entered that car in the afternoon his nostrils would have been hit by an overpowering, piss/shiat/death odor, the kind you get when you cook a kid in a car all day. No way anyone would miss that unless they had no sense of smell.
 
2014-06-27 04:29:35 AM  

RenownedCurator: I read the Daily Mail article and wasn't too impressed -- lots of stuff from bystanders talking about how strange he was acting -- well, I can't even imagine how I'd act if I just realized something like that had happened. You have to have more solid grounds than "Well, he wasn't acting the way I think I would" to send a guy to prison. And it looks like we'll just have to wait to see what exactly "internet search" means here. I've read Gene Weingarten's article and it's very, very good -- I can easily see how someone who's out of their routine and whose child falls asleep in the back seat could go on autopilot.

However.

The smell. I remember one time when I was in a hurry to get out of the house for an appointment, I had three little kids with me, and the baby pooped her diaper at the last second. I changed her, gathered everything up, and got us all out of the house. We returned about four hours later, during which the day had become fairly hot (for Seattle) -- low eighties. I walked in the house and it was like being hit in the face with the smell; it wasn't a "time to take out the garbage" smell, it was absolutely noxious and filled the entire house, we were practically gagging. It turned out that in my hurry I'd forgotten to put the dirty diaper in the diaper pail, and it had been sitting out the whole morning. A car that's been sitting in the sun all day would be much, much hotter than my house was. The smell of a corpse plus a filled diaper -- I can't imagine how someone could even get into the car without realizing that something was very, very wrong.


I mentioned this elsewhere, but you nailed. The smell would have been overpowering the moment he opened that door.
 
2014-06-27 05:36:59 AM  

doglover: If you're a teacher, I can see losing a kid for awhile. It happens. School is kid jail and some of them actively try to escape when possible. But do you know how long it takes to realize you've mislaid one of dozens of other people's kids? About two minutes tops. Even when they're dressed in the same uniform and you don't even know their names, it's pretty easy to notice a void where a child should be.

No one who "forgets" their kid is worthy of being a parent. Give this guy a bottle of hemlock and 24 hours to do the right thing.


My mom forgot me once.  At a park.  I was three or four years old, and she got so wrapped up in picking up my older (5-ish) brother from day camp and getting him into the car (he didn't want to leave the park) that I slipped her mind.  She was halfway home when she realized that there were supposed to be  two kids in the car.

I was fine.  I honestly hadn't even realized she had left.  Having too much fun on the merry-go-round to notice mom and brother had disappeared.

Yes, it is possible to forget your kid.  This does not necessarily make you a horrible parent.  My mom did a good job by me.
 
2014-06-27 07:18:15 AM  

brimed03: like some kind of berserker.


www.saintvespaluus.com

Lachwen: I was fine. I honestly hadn't even realized she had left. Having too much fun on the merry-go-round to notice mom and brother had disappeared.

Yes, it is possible to forget your kid. This does not necessarily make you a horrible parent. My mom did a good job by me.


There's a bit of a difference between forgetting to pick them up from somewhere where they're relatively safe vs. forgetting that they're in the same car with you, not noticing that they're in there as you get out, and locking them in there to roast all day... Parks are large, but even the biggest SUV isn't that damn huge that you should be able to absent-mindedly lose a child in one...
 
2014-06-27 08:30:54 AM  

CraicBaby: Headso: loling at 'good christian man"

Inorite? Apparently, if you go to Church, you're better than everyone else, or something.


Yep.

richarddawkins.net
 
2014-06-27 11:10:41 AM  

Lachwen: doglover: If you're a teacher, I can see losing a kid for awhile. It happens. School is kid jail and some of them actively try to escape when possible. But do you know how long it takes to realize you've mislaid one of dozens of other people's kids? About two minutes tops. Even when they're dressed in the same uniform and you don't even know their names, it's pretty easy to notice a void where a child should be.

No one who "forgets" their kid is worthy of being a parent. Give this guy a bottle of hemlock and 24 hours to do the right thing.

My mom forgot me once.  At a park.  I was three or four years old, and she got so wrapped up in picking up my older (5-ish) brother from day camp and getting him into the car (he didn't want to leave the park) that I slipped her mind.  She was halfway home when she realized that there were supposed to be  two kids in the car.

I was fine.  I honestly hadn't even realized she had left.  Having too much fun on the merry-go-round to notice mom and brother had disappeared.

Yes, it is possible to forget your kid.  This does not necessarily make you a horrible parent.  My mom did a good job by me.


I never forgot my kid as a baby but I did fall asleep and neglect to pick her up at midnight after a marching band trip. She has still never let me live that down.
 
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