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(Gawker)   Remember the story about that father who "forgot" his beloved son in a hot SUV? Turns out he also forgot to delete the browser history after his online research on how long it would take an animal to die if it were trapped in a hot car   (gawker.com) divider line 447
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2014-06-26 11:43:09 AM  
Thank goodness these assholes are not very smart.
 
2014-06-26 11:43:50 AM  
For anyone questioning whether it was before or after the kid was dead, it was on his work computer, which means it was before the kid was dead.
 
2014-06-26 11:50:53 AM  
I'm anti-death penalty, but in this case I'll make an exception.
 
2014-06-26 11:58:14 AM  

bunner: As for all the psychologists who make a tidy sum stumping to turn slimy SOB's like this into lab rats instead of mulch, you do so because you chose to study this sort of sick f*ck and, frankly, unless you have no conscience whatsoever, you do so because you have a morbid fascination with such trash.  Which puts you about 2 MMPPI graph aberrations on the side of the bars without the toilet.  And you get paid for it.  Sort of like cops and thugs.  And yet, for all this fine toothed combing of slimy, remorseless, clinical narcissists, we still seem to have no dearth of them.


Bunner, you're on my favorites list, but this is one of the dumbest posts I've ever read. Did you mean it or are your emotions just getting the best of you?

Psychologists have been studying these "slimy SOBs" for a host of reasons. The one I like most is: in the hopes of recognizing future slimy SOBs *before* they kill, and intervening before innocents die.

Yeah, your method sounds real tough on crime and great. What does it do for Johnny 2054? He still dies. Because *you* never fixed the sickness, you just killed the patient.

We've been studying these people for, what, maybe 150 years? We've been *seriously* studying them for maybe 70 years? And you're seriously dismissing psychology? Shiat man, how many *centuries* did it take for us to go from leeches to penicillin? Are you f*ckin' kidding me?
 
2014-06-26 12:07:34 PM  

pueblonative: CheekyMonkey: Taxbongo: kling_klang_bed: I know someone who's gonna be getting tossed over the rails in prison, and kudos to whoever does it to this subhuman waste of sperm and egg. WTF kind of monster does this to ANY kid, much less their own?!?! I'll just take a wild guess and say he's just vile on a biological level.

Taking pleasure in death even when you feel it is warranted is sick. We are better than this.

Pfft.  Read the comments in this thread.  You might be "better than this" but most people aren't.

They just wait for the "right" reason to jack off about a human being getting executed, tortured, and raped by people who all these self righteous members of the moral umbrage brigade would flee in terror from if they saw them coming down the street.

/if he's guilty lock him away for life
//hug your kid
///be a better human and role model for your kid than either this guy allegedly or the verbal sadists in this thread.


Don't get me wrong - I that that if he's guilty, he deserves to die.  I just don't agree with those who would condemn him to a painful and prolonged death.

\my only issue with the death penalty is that out justice system is pretty damn flawed, and waaaay too many innocent people are being wrongly convicted
\\premeditated murder of one's own child is one of those offenses where the perpetrator does not deserve to live
 
2014-06-26 12:07:44 PM  

cryinoutloud: ......and here's the poor kid.

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This just hurts. Poor little guy, to imagine what this kid went through, not understanding a single second of the suffering he's experiencing, completely helpless to do anything...

/Damn anger dust...
 
2014-06-26 12:14:08 PM  

MythDragon: Taxbongo: kling_klang_bed: I know someone who's gonna be getting tossed over the rails in prison, and kudos to whoever does it to this subhuman waste of sperm and egg. WTF kind of monster does this to ANY kid, much less their own?!?! I'll just take a wild guess and say he's just vile on a biological level.

Taking pleasure in death even when you feel it is warranted is sick. We are better than this.


Funny you should post *that* page. Without posting the one from the next chapter where that same guy (Rick) himself commits cold-blooded murder. Or the part later where he admits "you kill, you die" isn't going to work. Mostly he admits that to absolve himself, of course. But he's also right.

You'd have done better to post the chapter where the deranged kid kills his own brother and is subsequently executed by Carl. You'd still be wrong, applying the standards of a brutal world to ours (which has the resources for compassion), but it would have been a stronger argument.
 
2014-06-26 12:17:29 PM  

pueblonative: So we're killing them because we're cheapskates.  What about a chronic alcoholic arrested for his 50th DUI?  What about a serial con man?  Both of those people are also dangers to society.  They can't be rehabilitated, and the moment they're released from jail they'll be finding a scotch and a subaru or a suburbanite to rip off.  Why should I have to pay for their room and board for 50 years?


It's not about being a cheapskate, it's that I have a problem with paying to support someone who is actively looking for the chance to kill or rape the people I care about. You will also note that I am referring to serial murderers and rapists, crimes which are intentional, for which the convict is obviously not remorseful, AND cannot be undone. You trying to equate drunk drivers and scam artists to these kinds of crimes is disingenuous.

Sure, the DUI guy could kill someone. And, if he did kill someone with his car, yet still chose to drink and drive, then I would be happy to see him brought up on attempted murder charges. But, even then, if the guy is remorseful, then there is a good chance of rehabilitation through a prolonged stay in jail, with appropriate counseling. I would gladly pay my fair share for that.
 
2014-06-26 12:17:45 PM  
I am thinking the kid had always been dead. Something happened and he killed the kid. He looked up how long does it take for dogs to die in cars because he needed it to look plausible for when he cried that he had left the kid in the car and the child died because of it. He bought food for his son because he needed it to look like the child was still alive at that moment.

As far motivations go, did he have an insurance policy on his son? Or did he see all these stories of people going through tragedies opening donation accounts and watched as people raked it in and that was his plan too. Is this a money thing? Is he going through a divorce and wants to get back at the mother? Is he single father who no longer wants to be a father?

For the police to let information slip out it must have been awful. Like they wanted people to stop feeling sorry for him and let them know that he is a monster. Which is maybe why I think he was going to go for the donation thing. The cops let it slip so people wouldn't start collecting donations.
 
2014-06-26 12:19:34 PM  

bunner: Once upon a time, briefly, in America, there was justice, common sense, compassion, dignity, honesty and happy endings that occurred someplace besides a cinema screen.  *sigh*


Horseshiat. Overall the country (the world) is a better, safer place than ever before. There's no point, and potentially a lot of harm, in painting the past as some paradise lost. Norman Rockwell painted his America in tiny, deeply personal scenes because that's the only level on which what you posit has ever existed.
 
2014-06-26 12:19:45 PM  

metaskie: I'm a very forgetful person, so I was sympathizing with him. I found it plausible that it could have been an honest (very very horrible) mistake. I also thought that prison time was too much and that he would be harder on himself for the rest of his life than any court could ever be.

Then they pulled his work computer. His arms and legs should be shattered and improperly set, then put in prison with rapists and murderers. My wife and I are having trouble getting pregnant, yet farking monsters like this can have kids they neither want nor deserve. fark this planet.

/in school for computer forensics
//this removed any doubts I might want to do something different


Do they actually offer a degree in that or is it a certificate?
 
2014-06-26 12:22:54 PM  
Hey! I've got an idea...

cdn8.openculture.com
 
2014-06-26 12:24:20 PM  

Loreweaver: You trying to equate drunk drivers and scam artists to these kinds of crimes is disingenuous.


Wanna tell that to the person who's loved one just got killed by a drunk driver?  Or how about the victims of Bernie Madoff, I could make a much better case that the death penalty would act as more of a deterrent to white collar criminals like Bernie than a person who has coldly calculated the death of another person.  Or unless this isn't about deterrence and just about everybody wanting their chance to hold the business side of a weapon.


Sure, the DUI guy could kill someone. And, if he did kill someone with his car, yet still chose to drink and drive, then I would be happy to see him brought up on attempted murder charges. But, even then, if the guy is remorseful, then there is a good chance of rehabilitation through a prolonged stay in jail, with appropriate counseling. I would gladly pay my fair share for that.

And if this guy is remorseful, would you give him that same shot?  Or are we victim judging at this point?
 
2014-06-26 12:25:26 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: sno man: Every once in a while one of these come along and you wish for eye-for-an-eye punishment.  Lock this guy in his car, in an adult sized car seat, all strapped in for safety. Make sure it in a sunny spot, roll up the windows, lock the doors and walk away. Bye waster of O2

Or, just put him in gen pop in prison, nature will take its course.


I am more a fan of clever forms of punishment. I like the "locked in a hot car in the desert heat" method. Gen-pop is too cliche.
 
2014-06-26 12:28:24 PM  

kling_klang_bed: MythDragon: Taxbongo: kling_klang_bed: I know someone who's gonna be getting tossed over the rails in prison, and kudos to whoever does it to this subhuman waste of sperm and egg. WTF kind of monster does this to ANY kid, much less their own?!?! I'll just take a wild guess and say he's just vile on a biological level.

Taking pleasure in death even when you feel it is warranted is sick. We are better than this.


[images.sequart.org image 660x458]

Or something more like:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvedSvJWT60


Right, so now we're justifying the death penalty using the logic of comic book psychotics! There's a solid argument.
 
2014-06-26 12:36:01 PM  

Banned on the Run: Hey! I've got an idea...

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Awwwwwwwwwww the good old days! Or how's about a good old fashioned Blood Eagle?
 
2014-06-26 12:36:59 PM  

brimed03: kling_klang_bed: MythDragon: Taxbongo: kling_klang_bed: I know someone who's gonna be getting tossed over the rails in prison, and kudos to whoever does it to this subhuman waste of sperm and egg. WTF kind of monster does this to ANY kid, much less their own?!?! I'll just take a wild guess and say he's just vile on a biological level.

Taking pleasure in death even when you feel it is warranted is sick. We are better than this.


[images.sequart.org image 660x458]

Or something more like:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvedSvJWT60

Right, so now we're justifying the death penalty using the logic of comic book psychotics! There's a solid argument.


Sounds 'terra firma' to me!
 
2014-06-26 12:37:16 PM  

Electric_Banana: doyner: Solid State Vittles: Is Firefox his preferred browser?

Yes. And he also puts ketchup on hot dogs.

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Nobody, and I mean nobody, puts ketchup on a hot dog.


www.antifoodie.com
 
2014-06-26 12:39:03 PM  

DeadPuppySociety: TuteTibiImperes: sno man: Every once in a while one of these come along and you wish for eye-for-an-eye punishment.  Lock this guy in his car, in an adult sized car seat, all strapped in for safety. Make sure it in a sunny spot, roll up the windows, lock the doors and walk away. Bye waster of O2

Or, just put him in gen pop in prison, nature will take its course.

Yeah, he doesn't look like he'll be able to handle prison life very well, especially with that crime. Dudes life is about to really, really suck.


Maybe, to this point, it has already and he took it out on the kid.
 
2014-06-26 12:41:20 PM  
In some situations the legal concept should be 'guilty until proven innocent'. This is one of them.
 
2014-06-26 12:43:31 PM  

kling_klang_bed: Banned on the Run: Hey! I've got an idea...

[cdn8.openculture.com image 635x440]

Awwwwwwwwwww the good old days! Or how's about a good old fashioned Blood Eagle?


Catherine Wheel came to mind for me.

Even if they find him not guilty, his life is pretty much ruined, as well as that of his wife.  That's the least of the punishment he'll get, I suppose.
 
2014-06-26 12:50:42 PM  

picturescrazy: Fark dude there's a ton of people like my wife and I who want kids but haven't been able to have them yet. farking find a couple like us and do the adoption thing. You'll never have to see you're kid again if it's such a bad thing.


It may have only been dad that didn't want the kid any more. The police interviewed the mom and so far haven't made any announcements that would suggest that she was involved in any way. Dad may have felt trapped in being in a parental role he didn't want. And of all the options available to him, he took pretty much the worst one. Can't even imagine what kind of mental anguish the kid's mother is going through now.
 
2014-06-26 12:52:59 PM  

HelloNeuman: In some situations the legal concept should be 'guilty until proven innocent'. This is one of them.


Which would lead to a rash of people's children being killed and the parents framed for the murder. And since they're guilty by default, all you'd have to do is make sure to do it when they have no alibi.

Not a good move at all.
 
2014-06-26 12:53:41 PM  

pueblonative: Loreweaver: You trying to equate drunk drivers and scam artists to these kinds of crimes is disingenuous.

Wanna tell that to the person who's loved one just got killed by a drunk driver?  Or how about the victims of Bernie Madoff, I could make a much better case that the death penalty would act as more of a deterrent to white collar criminals like Bernie than a person who has coldly calculated the death of another person.  Or unless this isn't about deterrence and just about everybody wanting their chance to hold the business side of a weapon.


Sure, the DUI guy could kill someone. And, if he did kill someone with his car, yet still chose to drink and drive, then I would be happy to see him brought up on attempted murder charges. But, even then, if the guy is remorseful, then there is a good chance of rehabilitation through a prolonged stay in jail, with appropriate counseling. I would gladly pay my fair share for that.


a) A drunk driver who kills someone is guilty of negligent homicide, the first time it happens. If he does it again, then it becomes murder (willful criminal negligence)

b) The sentencing for the drunk driver would depend heavily on his motivation and remorse (or lack thereof), as I already explained in my last post

c) Bernie Madoff isn't going to be ripping off anyone else ever again, even after he is released from jail.

d) Bernie's victims are being compensated, even if they are not able to recover all of their losses.

And if this guy is remorseful, would you give him that same shot?  Or are we victim judging at this point?

 e) I assume you are now talking about the guy in TFA? If so, since I have not advocated the death penalty for him, your accusation against me is unfounded. The question of remorse in that case has yet to be determined, and neither have his motivations behind this crime. Motivation and remorse are key considerations in the sentencing for any crime, IMHO.

Again, you are attempting to equate things which are not the same.
 
2014-06-26 12:57:34 PM  

freetomato: kling_klang_bed: Banned on the Run: Hey! I've got an idea...

[cdn8.openculture.com image 635x440]

Awwwwwwwwwww the good old days! Or how's about a good old fashioned Blood Eagle?

Catherine Wheel came to mind for me.

Even if they find him not guilty, his life is pretty much ruined, as well as that of his wife.  That's the least of the punishment he'll get, I suppose.


Good band btw (Catherine Wheel).
Well, don't forget too, if he does by some miracle go free (this isn't FL we're talking about here, otherwise they'd derp the case and let him go scott free), he's gonna be a marked man, no doubt. He's going to be living a life of eternal fear either which way.
 
2014-06-26 01:00:38 PM  
Lots of armchair quarterbacks on Fark. If I didn't know any better, I'd have a serious hate-on for the guy, too. I don't know Justin personally, but I have friends in church here in Tuscaloosa who are either related to him or have known him as a friend for years. Here is what I've learned from talking to them:

1. Justin is a loving, Christian man, and a doting father.  He loved Cooper, and they have come up with no motive for why he would have done this intentionally.
2. Taking Cooper was not part of his regular routine. There is a daycare at the Home Depot... Justin works in a satellite office and the daycare is across the street from where he works.
3. CNN did a re-enactment where they placed the childseat face forward in the center of the backseat, where it would have been impossible not to notice in the rearview mirror. In actuality, the childseat was facing backwards and was behind the driver's seat.
4. The SUV is heavily tinted. Justin put something in his car during lunch. It's conceivable he didn't see Cooper at that time.
5. When he pulled over a few miles from work, he told witnesses his child was choking, and asked for help.  When I was 23, I found my uncle dead on the ground from a heart attack. He was obviously dead. The first thing I did was run into the house and tell my aunt to call 911 because he "had fallen".  The first thing she did when she called 911, while we were standing over the corpse, was tell the operator that my uncle was choking and ask for help clearing his throat. He was dead. Purple. We just didn't want to say the words.
6.  Justin was originally charged with murder.  The new warrant filed late Tuesday downgrades one charge against Harris from first-degree child cruelty to second-degree child cruelty. First-degree cruelty to children requires that a person "willfully deprives the child necessary sustenance," while second-degree cruelty to children is caused by "criminal negligence" under Georgia law.
7. Some of this zeal seems to be because some of this is new law passed last year in Georgia, and this is their first opportunity to spotlight it.
8. An IT friend of his family said the "search" on Justin's work computer was from a Reddit article he clicked on, about a dog dying in a hot car. Reading a story counts as a search. Think about that for a second, and think what may be in your own "search" history.
9. This long story from the Washington Post explains how this kind of thing happens by accident 13-15 times a year: http://m.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/magazine/fatal-distraction-forg e tting-a-child-in-thebackseat-of-a-car-is-a-horrifying-mistake-is-it-a- crime/2014/06/16/8ae0fe3a-f580-11e3-a3a5-42be35962a52_story.html. It's been posted in this thread, but I don't think very many have read it. It's truly enlightening.

Personally, if it was me, I'd probably ask for lethal injection just because I wouldn't want to live knowing what I did by accident. The story above tells about one father who tried to grab the gun of the first cop that showed up, with the intention of shooting himself.  It's not something most people could live with. It's a terrible tragedy no matter how you look at it. I'm withholding judgement until I hear something that says it was intentional, or at least had some kind of motive to do it. Until then, I'll believe it was a horrible accident, and my condolences go to Justin and his family.
 
2014-06-26 01:05:27 PM  

BSABSVR: I too am disgusted at this man's appalling lack of respect for the life of another. Let me show my disgust with murder by writing a seven paragraph fantasy about what parts of him should be pulled off of him while he is flayed to death.


WIN.

All the sadists ITT reveling in masturbatory fantasies about exactly how they would show thus guy "justice" can STFU now. You're not better than the guy in tfa.
 
2014-06-26 01:11:15 PM  
Doesn't change much. The person negligent enough to leave their kid in a car on accident isn't any better than the person malicious enough to do it on purpose.
 
2014-06-26 01:11:18 PM  
www.rawstory.com
 
2014-06-26 01:12:54 PM  

Triumph: My Chevy, my choice.


And this is why I shouldn't read fark threads on the toilet at work. The guy in the stall next to me is probably seriously wondering about why I would bust out laughing like that.
 
2014-06-26 01:16:13 PM  

LazyMedia: Are there really adult-sized car seats? I think those are just called car seats.


The racing industry should be able to whip up an equivalent in a few hours.  It'd even be nice and comfortable for certain definitions of comfortable.  It'd also keep him safe in a 100mph crash.  The side effect is that he's not getting out without assistance.

PunGent: We could trim him down to fit a kid-sized one.


The trimming wouldn't allow him to last long enough
 
2014-06-26 01:21:20 PM  

Kangaroo_Ralph: Lots of armchair quarterbacks on Fark. If I didn't know any better, I'd have a serious hate-on for the guy, too. I don't know Justin personally, but I have friends in church here in Tuscaloosa who are either related to him or have known him as a friend for years. Here is what I've learned from talking to them:

1. Justin is a loving, Christian man, and a doting father.  He loved Cooper, and they have come up with no motive for why he would have done this intentionally.
2. Taking Cooper was not part of his regular routine. There is a daycare at the Home Depot... Justin works in a satellite office and the daycare is across the street from where he works.
3. CNN did a re-enactment where they placed the childseat face forward in the center of the backseat, where it would have been impossible not to notice in the rearview mirror. In actuality, the childseat was facing backwards and was behind the driver's seat.
4. The SUV is heavily tinted. Justin put something in his car during lunch. It's conceivable he didn't see Cooper at that time.
5. When he pulled over a few miles from work, he told witnesses his child was choking, and asked for help.  When I was 23, I found my uncle dead on the ground from a heart attack. He was obviously dead. The first thing I did was run into the house and tell my aunt to call 911 because he "had fallen".  The first thing she did when she called 911, while we were standing over the corpse, was tell the operator that my uncle was choking and ask for help clearing his throat. He was dead. Purple. We just didn't want to say the words.
6.  Justin was originally charged with murder.  The new warrant filed late Tuesday downgrades one charge against Harris from first-degree child cruelty to second-degree child cruelty. First-degree cruelty to children requires that a person "willfully deprives the child necessary sustenance," while second-degree cruelty to children is caused by "criminal negligence" under Georgia law.
7. Some of this zeal seems to be because some of this is new law passed last year in Georgia, and this is their first opportunity to spotlight it.
8. An IT friend of his family said the "search" on Justin's work computer was from a Reddit article he clicked on, about a dog dying in a hot car. Reading a story counts as a search. Think about that for a second, and think what may be in your own "search" history.
9. This long story from the Washington Post explains how this kind of thing happens by accident 13-15 times a year: http://m.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/magazine/fatal-distraction-forg e tting-a-child-in-thebackseat-of-a-car-is-a-horrifying-mistake-is-it-a- crime/2014/06/16/8ae0fe3a-f580-11e3-a3a5-42be35962a52_story.html. It's been posted in this thread, but I don't think very many have read it. It's truly enlightening.

Personally, if it was me, I'd probably ask for lethal injection just because I wouldn't want to live knowing what I did by accident. The story above tells about one father who tried to grab the gun of the first cop that showed up, with the intention of shooting himself.  It's not something most people could live with. It's a terrible tragedy no matter how you look at it. I'm withholding judgement until I hear something that says it was intentional, or at least had some kind of motive to do it. Until then, I'll believe it was a horrible accident, and my condolences go to Justin and his family.


I hope this is all true and it was a horrible accident. Thanks for the insider insights.
 
2014-06-26 01:22:08 PM  

filter: As a parent, this ruins my day.


So much THIS.
 
2014-06-26 01:23:09 PM  

tlars699: jshine: If true, it suggests that this was a premeditated murder, and this person should go to prison for a very, very long time.

...but what's really scary is how bloodthirsty people on Fark appear to be.  Good lord, I'm glad we've got police and prisons to cow you all into behaving in a civilized way, because I'd be terrified to see what half of the posters here would be like if left to their own devices in some sort of post-apocalyptic anarchy scenario.  The Eighth amendment exists for a reason: because we're supposed to at least try to behave better than criminals -- not invent the most gruesome possible revenge fantasies and outdo the savagery of the criminals we punish.

You really think they would actually enact this? Hell, even if they were given all of the tools and time and freedom necessary, they look at you, look at him, and look at you and say,
"You know what? He's not worth it."

Like Bilbo and Gollum.


Interesting example. Except Bilbo didn't say of Gollum "he's not worth it." He spared Gollum (a) because he still saw a divine/intelligent spark in him and (b) he believed in Gollum's potential redemption. A redemption that might have happened if not for Sam's taunting and brutality, or the "betrayal" forced by Faramir and his company.

You might be right that folks here wouldn't carry out the revenge fantasies they've written here. But Bilbo is not their archetype.

I also disagree that most of them would turn away based on "he isn't worth it." I think most of them would turn away in horror of what they were about to do-- in recognition of how it would scar their own souls, and diminish their own humanity.

And some, I think, would turn away for the same reason they're writing these fantasies: in this guy they recognize, on some level, a kindred spirit. Not that they would necessarily commit this kind of crime. But we are all capable of the very best and the very worst things ever done. And some folks here know their dark side is closer to the surface than is comfortable, and it terrifies them. And when they see it break free in others, they react with all the savagery of their own terror about themselves.
 
2014-06-26 01:27:14 PM  

Kangaroo_Ralph: Lots of armchair quarterbacks on Fark. If I didn't know any better, I'd have a serious hate-on for the guy, too. I don't know Justin personally, but I have friends in church here in Tuscaloosa who are either related to him or have known him as a friend for years. Here is what I've learned from talking to them:

1. Justin is a loving, Christian man, and a doting father.  He loved Cooper, and they have come up with no motive for why he would have done this intentionally.


We read this about almost everyone who snaps and kills someone. People can rarely believe that someone they have known for years is capable of such things. Establishing motive is important, but not necessary, since motive cannot always be identified. Material evidence trumps it every time. It is beginning to sound like the material evidence is adding up.

The rest of your post is near-erfect armchair quarterbacking. I don't think you will ever convince anyone that a "loving, Christian man, and a doting father" could "forget" his child was strapped in the back seat of a car, in 90+ deg. weather, for seven hours. No one is that forgetful especially when it comes to his child. The Cobb County police aren't buying his story and neither am I.
 
2014-06-26 01:29:40 PM  

Kangaroo_Ralph: 8. An IT friend of his family said the "search" on Justin's work computer was from a Reddit article he clicked on, about a dog dying in a hot car. Reading a story counts as a search. Think about that for a second, and think what may be in your own "search" history.


Most articles say "searches".
I'll grant this could be media sensationalism, but it would be nice if they would release what the actual findings are in relation to this piece of evidence.
/still get choked up thinking about that poor kid.
 
2014-06-26 01:31:10 PM  

HelloNeuman: In some situations the legal concept should be 'guilty until proven innocent'. This is one of them.



images.sodahead.com

/ I accuse HelloNeuman!
 
2014-06-26 01:31:30 PM  

JackieRabbit: No one is that forgetful especially when it comes to his child.


You mean except for he 15-25 times a year it does happen, right? I got the numbers wrong in my post.
 
2014-06-26 01:34:14 PM  
I think i'll decline to call for this guy's punishment until we know more from actual legit sources. Like a court of law or official inquiry or something like that.

"Search history" could be anything.

This is kind of Internet 101, isn't it?
 
2014-06-26 01:35:05 PM  

SundaesChild: 3. CNN did a re-enactment where they placed the childseat face forward in the center of the backseat, where it would have been impossible not to notice in the rearview mirror. In actuality, the childseat was facing backwards and was behind the driver's seat.
4. The SUV is heavily tinted. Justin put something in his car during lunch. It's conceivable he didn't see Cooper at that time.
5. When he pulled over a few miles from work, he told witnesses his child was choking, and asked for help. When I was 23, I found my uncle dead on the ground from a heart attack. He was obviously dead. The first thing I did was run into the house and tell my aunt to call 911 because he "had fallen". The first thing she did when she called 911, while we were standing over the corpse, was tell the operator that my uncle was choking and ask for help clearing his throat. He was dead. Purple. We just didn't want to say the words.


Hold on a second...
If he wasn't able to see his son in the rear view mirror because he was behind his seat, how would he have known the child was choking and pull over, as by then the child would have been dead and not making any noises similar to gasping for air..?
How would he have even know the child was back there at all?
Sorry but things just aren't adding up.
 
2014-06-26 01:37:11 PM  
I quoted the wrong person above, sorry Sundae.
 
2014-06-26 01:37:30 PM  

RocketRay: I'm anti-death penalty, but in this case I'll make an exception.


Then you're not anti-death penalty.  You just maybe think that the death penalty should be more restricted.

However, having read a number of DP cases, I'd say that at least half of them were WORSE than this, assuming worst case.

brimed03: We've been studying these people for, what, maybe 150 years? We've been *seriously* studying them for maybe 70 years? And you're seriously dismissing psychology? Shiat man, how many *centuries* did it take for us to go from leeches to penicillin? Are you f*ckin' kidding me?


Indeed.  I support studying murderers in order to figure out how to find and treat them before they kill people.  I wouldn't even give the field 70 years of credit.  A lot of the research from the 1950s-1970s turned out to be incredibly flawed, so I'd say that we're looking more at the 90's for effective research.  Though I'm not sure how much effective study has been done on mothers who kill their own kids.

25 years is still a fair bit of time *today*, but it turns out the field is incredibly hard.  You need a test that has an extremely tiny false-positive rate.
 
2014-06-26 01:38:44 PM  

tlars699: Taxbongo: poison_amy: Taxbongo: 22 months?

Forgive me, I am unsure of the life cycle of toddlers, but at what age do they begin to speak? I am just curious if the 22 month old was conscience or not of what was happening.

22 month old kids are walking, talking, and figuring stuff out. They had eaten at a restaurant five minutes away, so the kid was wide awake and probably talking a mile a minute. They are also developing logic and he probably tried very hard to get out of his carseat, but likely lacked the fine motor skills and strength.

damn

And probably cried/screamed when Daddy walked away. and did so until he become hoarse or fell asleep.


sadly, it is much much worse than that

read that gene Weingarten article from the Washington post if you want to feel like crying for the rest of the day
 
2014-06-26 01:40:26 PM  

ChaosStar: I quoted the wrong person above, sorry Sundae.


Acknowledged, thank you.
 
2014-06-26 01:45:13 PM  

Kangaroo_Ralph: Lots of armchair quarterbacks on Fark. If I didn't know any better, I'd have a serious hate-on for the guy, too. I don't know Justin personally, but I have friends in church here in Tuscaloosa who are either related to him or have known him as a friend for years. Here is what I've learned from talking to them:

1. Justin is a loving, Christian man, and a doting father.  He loved Cooper, and they have come up with no motive for why he would have done this intentionally.
2. Taking Cooper was not part of his regular routine. There is a daycare at the Home Depot... Justin works in a satellite office and the daycare is across the street from where he works.
3. CNN did a re-enactment where they placed the childseat face forward in the center of the backseat, where it would have been impossible not to notice in the rearview mirror. In actuality, the childseat was facing backwards and was behind the driver's seat.
4. The SUV is heavily tinted. Justin put something in his car during lunch. It's conceivable he didn't see Cooper at that time.
5. When he pulled over a few miles from work, he told witnesses his child was choking, and asked for help.  When I was 23, I found my uncle dead on the ground from a heart attack. He was obviously dead. The first thing I did was run into the house and tell my aunt to call 911 because he "had fallen".  The first thing she did when she called 911, while we were standing over the corpse, was tell the operator that my uncle was choking and ask for help clearing his throat. He was dead. Purple. We just didn't want to say the words.
6.  Justin was originally charged with murder.  The new warrant filed late Tuesday downgrades one charge against Harris from first-degree child cruelty to second-degree child cruelty. First-degree cruelty to children requires that a person "willfully deprives the child necessary sustenance," while second-degree cruelty to children is caused by "criminal negligence" under Georgia law.
7. Some of this zeal seems to be ...


This seems to be the big problem for him right now, though. The reason the police were suspicious to start with was that the smell in the car was apparently overwhelming. I'm not sure when a dead body baking at 150 degrees starts to smell, but I do know that it's nearly certain the 22 month old defecated at some point and that had been cooking all afternoon. How then does he drive 1.5 miles before realizing what's up? I'm hoping there is a reasonable explanation, but dang, that's hard to explain.

On the other hand, it's nearly unheard of for a parent to murder his own child with premeditation. When it happens, it nearly always a parent that did something in a fit of anger or frustration. With no evident motive, it's really hard to believe an apparently loving parent would ever even conceive of such evil. Even with a motive, it's hard to imagine, for that matter.
 
2014-06-26 01:56:50 PM  

dv-ous: Speech doesn't indicate consciousness.


jedi.org
 
2014-06-26 02:12:57 PM  

Taxbongo: I'm not the one who is pissed that a black man is in the White House


Worst projection troll, ever.  :  )  No points awarded.  The people who come here to peacock their ostensible superiority always end up sh*tting the bed.
 
2014-06-26 02:15:33 PM  

brimed03: There's no point, and potentially a lot of harm, in painting the past as some paradise lost.


I'm not.  But I was around when, by and large, rude, hateful, violent arrogant sh*tbag wasn't the new Led Zeppelin T-Shirt.  People could "say what they really mean" 1,000 times a day without it = being a dick.
 
2014-06-26 02:16:44 PM  
Sounds like he was being a responsible father to determine just how long he could safely leave his son before bringing him a bowl of water and cracking the window.
/s


Perhaps they can get creative with his punishment, like say locking him in a car for a week.
 
2014-06-26 02:19:39 PM  

brimed03: bunner: As for all the psychologists who make a tidy sum stumping to turn slimy SOB's like this into lab rats instead of mulch, you do so because you chose to study this sort of sick f*ck and, frankly, unless you have no conscience whatsoever, you do so because you have a morbid fascination with such trash.  Which puts you about 2 MMPPI graph aberrations on the side of the bars without the toilet.  And you get paid for it.  Sort of like cops and thugs.  And yet, for all this fine toothed combing of slimy, remorseless, clinical narcissists, we still seem to have no dearth of them.

Bunner, you're on my favorites list, but this is one of the dumbest posts I've ever read.


I don't think either one of us needs any favors, then..

Did you mean it or are your emotions just getting the best of you?

Psychologists have been studying these "slimy SOBs" for a host of reasons. The one I like most is: in the hopes of recognizing future slimy SOBs *before* they kill, and intervening before innocents die.

Yeah, your method
- (see last paragraph) -sounds real tough on crime and great. What does it do for Johnny 2054? He still dies. Because *you* never fixed the sickness, you just killed the patient.

Gleefully.  there's a tipping point on the ROI of having coffee with psychos and just shutting them off.

We've been studying these people for, what, maybe 150 years? We've been *seriously* studying them for maybe 70 years? And you're seriously dismissing psychology? Shiat man, how many *centuries* did it take for us to go from leeches to penicillin? Are you f*ckin' kidding me?

And You just put enough straw on my lawn to feed a horse.  We all have our shortcomings.
 
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