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2014-06-26 09:12:39 AM  

Taxbongo: bunner: Taxbongo: So does locking them up until they are no longer a threat

That costs money.  A lot of it.  F*ck that.  If we're gonna live in a society that sucks money's dick, and that can not make the connection between a tax funded medicine model and a robust citizenry, we can throw pieces of trash like this away.  And as far as a chemical cocktail, ammo is about 34¢ a round.  When a dog goes rabid, you put it down.

Everything is resource intensive. People go for decades on death row just waiting and doing nothing but costing us a lot of money. If you wanted the cheapest route that would be rehabilitation.


How do you rehabilitate someone who has such disregard for human life? He is just one example of thousands of fellow humans who would kill you for a ham sandwich. Most criminals were raised in abusive environments that shaped their brain development and left them with deep emotional scars that society is too busy and cheap to redress.

So your right, proper mental health treatment would go a long long way. The problem is that its less expensive to treat them like animals than fix them. Further the real source of the problem (their abusers) often go unpunished.
 
2014-06-26 09:15:08 AM  
Back to the thread of a few days ago: If "free will" is just random quantum fluctuations how is anyone responsible for anything?

"The Universe made me do it."
 
2014-06-26 09:15:34 AM  

cryinoutloud: I hope you're not a shrink, because I think you have them backwards.


I'm not a shrink but my definitions come from a friend of mine who has her PhD in Psychology, is a full professor and practicing clinical psychologist.  Or I could have had one too many of the Single Malts her husband and I share a love of and gotten confused  My recollection - which we were discussing because of several issues in my family - was that someone with a PD is capable of comprehending that a particular behavior is wrong.  He will always have an excuse for his bad behavior - usually an excuse he would not allow others but one he is certain is valid for himself.  Treatment is difficult at best and, like alcoholism, never goes away but bad behavior can sometimes be controlled.  A mental illness, however, is a situation where behavior patterns may be identical but where the person with the mental illness is incapable of ever understanding that his behavior is wrong.  He may recognize that behavior as wrong in others but is absolutely incapable of comprehending that it is unacceptable in himself and is, therefore, completely untreatable.  A rather fine distinction but one she took pains to make.

We were only discussing this from a psychological point of view, not psychiatric.  But that is my recollection and my limited reading (why read when I can just ask a PhD and enjoy a Single Malt with friends in the process?) has done nothing to either clarify or invalidate.  If I am wrong, however, I stand corrected.
 
2014-06-26 09:16:32 AM  
I could see a single mother or father with a ball buster of a baby having enough sleep deprivation to leave a baby in a car, there seem to be a segment of posters here who have this odd perception of infants and young children where they don't fall asleep in cars.  That said it is looking like this guy did it on purpose which is farking insane, true psychopath type stuff.
 
2014-06-26 09:16:39 AM  
I've made it halfway to work with my daughter in the back seat and had to turn around and take her to daycare (which is close to home).

Put your computer, brief case, coffee mug, or something you need at work in the back seat so you are forced to check it.
 
2014-06-26 09:18:15 AM  

metaskie: I found it plausible that it could have been an honest (very very horrible) mistake. I also thought that prison time was too much and that he would be harder on himself for the rest of his life than any court could ever be.


Well I hoped you learned your lesson. I don't really care if you did it intentionally or not when you kill somebody. If you are the type of moron who is farking stupid enough to accidentally kill somebody, then you can feel as bad as you want and serve as a warning for others. It is pretty simple: If you don't want to do time, then keep your head out of your ass.
 
2014-06-26 09:20:04 AM  

bunner: my lip balm addiction: So we fix Capital punishment and put some farking teeth in it.

Mon. 3:00 P.M. - "We hereby sentence you to death by execution by the state."

Tues. 7:00 A.M. - "Good morning, criminal.    Here is the meal you ordered.  Enjoy."

Tues. 9:30 A.M. - "OK, on your feet.  This is televised, btw!"

Tues. 9:41 A.M. *BANG*



A month later - Well what'ya kno?  Turns out he *was* telling the truth when he said he didn't do it and that the cops framed him, oh well, no harm done.
 
2014-06-26 09:20:10 AM  
So if you were to run over a pedestrian completely unintentionally but happen to play Carmageddon...
 
2014-06-26 09:22:40 AM  

Sass-O-Rev: IIRC,  they are saying he placed the child in a rear-facing child seat. That makes no sense to me. As a mother and a grandmother who has done my share of buckling kids into the car,  I am sure that  well before that age (22 months) that child should have been in a seat that faces forward. Why would he do that? So he can later claim he couldn't see the boy in his rear-view mirror?

/speculation is all I've got
//sad


Just over 3 years ago the child car seat recommendations changed and children up to the age of 2 are now supposed to be rear facing.

It changed in February of 2011. How do I remember this? My oldest son was 11 months old and my wife and I were super excited about getting him forward facing. Went from 1 month away to 13 months away.

About 2 weeks ago I googled this again for my 19 month old because we are sick of the rear facing seat. The studies all said that a young child is 75% more likely to be injured in an accident if front facing. (5 more months)

I have been tired enough with the kids to see how something like this might happen accidentally. Luckily it hasn't happened to me. Cannot believe someone would do this to his own kids. I also believe he was going to leave the wife and did not want to be paying for a kid.
 
2014-06-26 09:22:41 AM  
Cut his nuts off and feed them to him for a last meal.
Put him an an iron box, locked, in death valley.
Leave him there.
 
2014-06-26 09:23:28 AM  

filter: As a parent, this ruins my day.


THIS
 
2014-06-26 09:23:36 AM  
So... I once fact chekcekd a hyperbolic statement by a farker about the amount of force necessary to ensure a hammer squishes a head and that makes me guilty of..... hammercide?

What is this? Retard day at the urine pool?
 
2014-06-26 09:23:48 AM  

LazyMedia: sno man: Every once in a while one of these come along and you wish for eye-for-an-eye punishment.  Lock this guy in his car, in an adult sized car seat, all strapped in for safety. Make sure it in a sunny spot, roll up the windows, lock the doors and walk away. Bye waster of O2

Are there really adult-sized car seats? I think those are just called car seats.


We could trim him down to fit a kid-sized one.

Generally opposed to the death penalty, but guys like this make it REALLY hard sometimes...
 
2014-06-26 09:23:58 AM  

umad: I don't really care if you did it intentionally or not when you kill somebody.


good thing you don't have any power to make laws.
 
2014-06-26 09:24:39 AM  

nulluspixiusdemonica: So... I once fact chekcekd a hyperbolic statement by a farker about the amount of force necessary to ensure a hammer squishes a head and that makes me guilty of..... hammercide?

What is this? Retard day at the urine pool?


Was someone later found hammered to death in the back seat of your car?
 
2014-06-26 09:25:20 AM  

nulluspixiusdemonica: .... hammercide?


stop
 
2014-06-26 09:26:35 AM  

TheGreatGazoo: I've made it halfway to work with my daughter in the back seat and had to turn around and take her to daycare (which is close to home).

Put your computer, brief case, coffee mug, or something you need at work in the back seat so you are forced to check it.


Nearest I've done to anything like this was wheeling my kid to the Nursery, blind tired I walked right past and onto the station. She went mental when I realised and turned back, thought she was having a day with her Dad or summat.
We'd have never ever left her in the car even for a quick pop in to the shops. It doesn't take very long for them to get in trouble on a hot day.
 
2014-06-26 09:27:13 AM  

Prophet of Loss: Back to the thread of a few days ago: If "free will" is just random quantum fluctuations how is anyone responsible for anything?

"The Universe made me do it."


This is worse than Descartes.
 
2014-06-26 09:27:16 AM  

Taxbongo: kling_klang_bed: I know someone who's gonna be getting tossed over the rails in prison, and kudos to whoever does it to this subhuman waste of sperm and egg. WTF kind of monster does this to ANY kid, much less their own?!?! I'll just take a wild guess and say he's just vile on a biological level.

Taking pleasure in death even when you feel it is warranted is sick. We are better than this.


Pfft.  Read the comments in this thread.  You might be "better than this" but most people aren't.
 
2014-06-26 09:27:57 AM  

Headso: I could see a single mother or father with a ball buster of a baby having enough sleep deprivation to leave a baby in a car, there seem to be a segment of posters here who have this odd perception of infants and young children where they don't fall asleep in cars.  That said it is looking like this guy did it on purpose which is farking insane, true psychopath type stuff.


We had a guy here in Mass a few years back drive off down the Turnpike having left one of his kids on the roof of his car.  Fortunately the car seat worked as advertised; kid rolled and bounced but was fine.

/hey, he got 50% of his kids strapped in, that should count for something, right?
//parents everywhere were relieved he'd lowered the bar for them...
 
2014-06-26 09:27:58 AM  

Dogghead: Kid killed by father in hot car......liberal outrage.

Thousands of kids killed each day in abortion 'clinics'....crickets.


4/10.  Too bland.  You really need a bit more spice there if you want bites.
 
2014-06-26 09:30:21 AM  

freetomato: When this story first broke (local news to me) I was not about to pass judgement.  I had just read a Pulitzer Prize winning article on the subject (long but very good read)  and those that make this mistake honestly live with awful guilt the rest of their lives.

To do it on purpose is unfathomably cruel.


Article is heart breaking, but is there a follow-up? Do the Harrison's have a second child?
 
2014-06-26 09:31:21 AM  

Dogghead: Kid killed by father in hot car......liberal outrage.

Thousands of kids killed each day in abortion 'clinics'....crickets.


3/10, too obvious.

Millions of sperm die every minute, no one even notices.
 
2014-06-26 09:32:17 AM  
If I had this guy I'd tie him to a rocket and then cover him with honey and then put on some ants and then the ants would be eating him and stuff and then I'd launch that rocket to the moon and there would be gay aliens on the moon and they would have gay alien sex with him and then they would watch TV but the only show they would have is "Step By Step" starring Patrick Duffy!

That's what I would do.  What would you do?  Please, don't spare details.
 
2014-06-26 09:32:56 AM  

Headso: I could see a single mother or father with a ball buster of a baby having enough sleep deprivation to leave a baby in a car, there seem to be a segment of posters here who have this odd perception of infants and young children where they don't fall asleep in cars.  That said it is looking like this guy did it on purpose which is farking insane, true psychopath type stuff.


i'd be more apt to believe this had they not eaten at a restaurant five blocks from his work place.
 
2014-06-26 09:33:15 AM  

Two Dogs Farking: As the father of a young boy, I can't express how much this disgusts me. I am completely befuddled.

At the very least, the father needs to be castrated, preferably as painfully as possible - with a hot fireplace poker or by pitbull - to ensure that he never reproduces again.


Rocuronium drip, IV nutrition, hooked up to a vent, completely awake for weeks.

Maybe alternate the temp between super hot and support cold continuously, or stop the vent just enough for him to get hyperbaric and nearly pass out, bring him back and repeat again at random time intervals.

Leave his psyche a bowl of soft mush.

/couldn't actually go through with it, despite it all. But it's the only torture I can imagine worthy of somebody like that. Would not be sad if I found out he was locked in a room for a year going through that.
 
2014-06-26 09:33:33 AM  
At least you read about it.....
 
2014-06-26 09:34:08 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: When I first heard this story on the radio, I felt really bad because I had thought of all the times I could have gotten distracted and forgotten my kid in the car on a hot sunny day. Luckily, that never happened. He's 9 now and would give me hell if I tried to leave him in the car.

But now this? I see the pictures of the kid, and I am dying a little inside. I can't imagine the kind of farked up person that father must be for seriously contemplating killing the boy and then going through with it.

An accident, I can understand. And for a couple days I sympathized. Today, all I can muster is anger and hate.


I frequently joke that my billion dollar invention is a tranquilizer gun for use on kids with no side effects other than an instant 2 hour nap. My proposed tagline, "All the fun of shooting your kids with none of the side effects." This piece of filth makes me feel really bad for making a tasteless joke.
 
2014-06-26 09:35:10 AM  

Taxbongo: Capital punishment is barbaric this day in age. I am not going to apply our moral standards to our ancestors as it was a different time. Indeed it is a different time and you are on the minority. Capital punishment is wrong and it will be repealed.


1.  "Right" and "Wrong" are human constructs; we, as a society, define them.

2.  The only reason capital punishment is barbaric is that our justice system is flawed, and there are innocent persons being found guilty.

3.  This "man" took a life.  He deserves to die.
 
2014-06-26 09:35:44 AM  

Dogghead: Kid killed by father in hot car......liberal outrage.

Thousands of kids killed each day in abortion 'clinics'....crickets.


Oh look, it's a noob.
 
2014-06-26 09:36:32 AM  

Two Dogs Farking: As the father of a young boy, I can't express how much this disgusts me. I am completely befuddled.

At the very least, the father needs to be castrated, preferably as painfully as possible - with a hot fireplace poker or by pitbull - to ensure that he never reproduces again.


this!

i have seen so many comments (including a couple in this thread, and i only got as far as your comment) about how it could be an accident...could get distracted and make such a mistake...

NOPE! you have a child in your custody, under your watch, whether the child is your own flesh and blood or a friend's kid, or you're the bus/van driver for school/daycare, or whatever the case may be...you have the not only the responsibility of caring for that kid, but you should also have the natural attentive instincts to ensure that child's safety!

i can't handle ANY excuse nor ANY sympathy/empathy for this! even before it started coming out that this may be premeditated, when this was initially reported as an accident, i still thought "string the guy up by his balls...that's a good START" because there is no way in hell i can imagine putting a kid into my car and forgetting that the kid is in there!

i can't even read any more comments in this thread, and i get damn near sick to my extremely strong stomach anytime i see this mentioned
 
2014-06-26 09:36:57 AM  

HAMMERTOE: Mr. Right: You're correct about the bloodthirst being vengeance, not justice.

You know, the two are not mutually exclusive.

Can anybody offer an objective argument against vengeance, aptly applied?


Vengeance is a more personal retribution for wrongs.  If a man rapes a woman, she could exact vengeance by shoving various articles into various orifices until she felt her grievances had been redressed.  Justice, however, is when people not directly involved in the rape would look at the actions that took place, determine that crimes had been committed and the judge would then determine which  rights the rapist would lose for having abrogated his responsibility to follow the laws of society.

In this case, vengeance would be served if the mother would find him, truss him up like a Thanksgiving Turkey, throw him in the back seat of a car and then park it out in the desert somewhere with all the windows tightly sealed.  Justice would be a jury finding that he so egregiously failed his responsibilities to honor the life of another, in this case his own son, that he would forfeit his right to live.  And his life would then be ended in a relatively humane way.
 
2014-06-26 09:37:40 AM  
Are we at the point where vigilantism is considered okay?
 
2014-06-26 09:39:10 AM  

Headso: umad: I don't really care if you did it intentionally or not when you kill somebody.

good thing you don't have any power to make laws.


I can vote against brainless shiatbags like you who push the "he/she has suffered enough already" nonsense, which isn't nothing.
 
2014-06-26 09:40:13 AM  
That's one way to avoid child support. I bet he wouldn't have roasted that little turd if he didn't know an inherently misandristic court system would invade personal and private business and order the outright theft of most of his hard earned money for a long time to come. Working hard to be impoverished to reward a biatch or roll the dice? The man is a gambler.
 
2014-06-26 09:40:32 AM  

Rapmaster2000: That's what I would do.  What would you do?  Please, don't spare details.


Yeah I'll farking lay his nuts on a farking dresser
Just his nuts laying on a farking dresser
And bang them shiats with a spiked farking bat
Oh
What's up? BLAOW!
 
2014-06-26 09:43:01 AM  

MythDragon: RayD8: MythDragon: How I would change the death penalty:

Jan 1st of every year we clean out death row. You can have your appeals up until then, but once the 1st hits, you're done. If you got there Dec 30th, it sucks to be you. You have a day and a half for appeals. Hope the next day is a business day. (I bet you'd see the crime rate drop around Christmas time!) Of course I would make the execution at noon, so you could sleep in. I have some compassion for these convicts..

Now how to handle the actual execution. You're gonna have several people to take care of at once. You don't really have time to waste strapping each on into the chair, putting the hood over their face, giving each one a prayer. So what you do is handcuff everyone together.  Like a big chain, like they could be the winning team at Red Rover. You then wire the first guy to hot and the last guy to neutral. Give them their last words (Attention group, you've got 30 seconds. Ready, go!) Say a quick prayer for the whole lot,  and turn on the juice. And clean up is a cinch. They are already linked. Just grab the first guy and drag the whole pile to the dump truck. Easy peasy, lemon squeezy.

In what amazing world are you living where crimes are solved, processed and criminals sentenced in this sort of time frame?

According to CSI, it only takes 1 hour.


Yeeeeaaaahhhhh!
 
2014-06-26 09:43:25 AM  

umad: Headso: umad: I don't really care if you did it intentionally or not when you kill somebody.

good thing you don't have any power to make laws.

I can vote against brainless shiatbags like you who push the "he/she has suffered enough already" nonsense, which isn't nothing.


true, but luckily tough on crime geezers are dying off of old age faster than authoritarian basement dwellers can take their place so you'll find less and less company each time you go to the polls.
 
2014-06-26 09:43:30 AM  
It''s times like this that make me wish I knew some HTML so i could post a pic of the hot box from the movie "The Bridge On The River Kwai". That would be a fitting punishment for this piece of shiat.

But I don't know HTML, so I'll just write about it instead.
 
2014-06-26 09:45:27 AM  
You people are farked in the head.
 
2014-06-26 09:48:41 AM  
Fire up old sparky.
 
2014-06-26 09:48:48 AM  
Torturing and killing this man won't bring his child back.  It won't help anyone.  So... enjoy your pointless bloodlust, losers.
 
2014-06-26 09:48:58 AM  

SundaesChild: Wow, I thought charging him with murder was extreme for what looked like an accident. Sad to say I was very wrong.


No problem.  That's how evidence works.  New evidence can change one's mind.
 
2014-06-26 09:51:26 AM  
Apparently this happened in the parking deck at the Home Depot headquarters. The parking deck is massive and the top level, while shaded by Home Depot's office during the morning, is an inferno during the afternoon. Most people don't park on the top level unless they absolutely have to since it is so hot up there. Parking up there is your punishment for coming in later than everybody else. This also means that if dad parked off in remote corner, there wouldn't have been anyone walking by to see or hear the kid. Might also be why he "discovered" his kid after leaving Home Depot's parking deck. If he was indeed up on the top level, it would have immediately made any investigator think the whole situation was suspicious.
 
2014-06-26 09:51:36 AM  

Mr. Right: cryinoutloud: I hope you're not a shrink, because I think you have them backwards.
I'm not a shrink but my definitions come from a friend of mine who has her PhD in Psychology, is a full professor and practicing clinical psychologist.  Or I could have had one too many of the Single Malts her husband and I share a love of and gotten confused  My recollection - which we were discussing because of several issues in my family - was that someone with a PD is capable of comprehending that a particular behavior is wrong.  He will always have an excuse for his bad behavior - usually an excuse he would not allow others but one he is certain is valid for himself.  Treatment is difficult at best and, like alcoholism, never goes away but bad behavior can sometimes be controlled.  A mental illness, however, is a situation where behavior patterns may be identical but where the person with the mental illness is incapable of ever understanding that his behavior is wrong.  He may recognize that behavior as wrong in others but is absolutely incapable of comprehending that it is unacceptable in himself and is, therefore, completely untreatable.  A rather fine distinction but one she took pains to make.
We were only discussing this from a psychological point of view, not psychiatric.  But that is my recollection and my limited reading (why read when I can just ask a PhD and enjoy a Single Malt with friends in the process?) has done nothing to either clarify or invalidate.  If I am wrong, however, I stand corrected.


Psychology being such a murky subject, opinions on the definitions can vary a lot. And nobody is objective enough to really SEE what's going on in someone's head. But I learned it from the DSM, and that's how they tried to divide them up--Axis I disorders are "curable", Axis II disorders are permanent. Then of course there's a lot of weasel room in there--is it really a PD, or just a bad Axis I disorder, and the person will come out of it somewhat? Do they really have a conscience, or are they just a high-functioning PD who can fool almost everyone? But they're all "mental illnesses." You can't differentiate them that way. They're all in the big book of mental illnesses.

Everybody on Fark calls all these nutcases "psychopaths" or "sociopaths", which is too broad of a term for personality disorders, and in psychology, it's reserved for the very worst of them. But it's meant to say that they don't have a conscience, are completely devoid of feelings. Actually, PDs do have a conscience--they aren't cold, like you think a "psychopath" is. They have massive emotions about lots of things--but only in reference to themselves. YOU hurt them, THEY feel bad so someone must pay, etc. What they lack is empathy--they can't see anyone else's feelings.

Hell, I'm an alcoholic. I quit drinking because I don't have a personality disorder--i was able to see that it was my responsibility, not someone else's fault. But at my worst, it all was, and I kept drinking because it wasn't my fault that I was a drunk. When I had to give up on that, I had to sober up. Because I'm not nuts, and I couldn't keep that fable going.

Now, you can get an alcoholic with a PD to quit drinking too, but you have to frame it in terms of how it will help THEM, how it will make THEM better people than everyone else. The AA stuff is nonsense to them--personal responsibility, making amends and all that . Making amends? What would they have to make amends for? None of that stuff was their fault! (and whatever you may have heard about AA on Fark--they're largely wrong and full of shiat too. Most Farkers have never even been in AA.)

My knowledge, based on the nut I was married to and lots of reading, is that severe PDs do not see how their behavior is wrong, and can't be made to see it. I have both an ex-husband and a sister who have not, ever, seen anything wrong with their behavior, no matter how they farked someone over. My ex can make the appropriate noises about how "he was wrong," but he's lying. My sister is a narcissist, and NEVER has done anything wrong. Every action by her is caused by someone else's bad behavior, and being such a conscientious person, she feels compelled to correct them. It's not her fault that she's a biatch.

There's also an awful lot of mis-diagnosis and bad therapists out there. And we all interpret things differently. Anyway, I got out of psychology and went into hard science precisely because of all the fuzzy math, but looks like now I'll be back in it. And I expect to see a lot of misdiagnosis and misinterpretation every day. maybe mine....but I don't know. I've known an awful lot of these people, and I've watched them in action, not just when they're putting on a show for the shrink. My family is full of them.
 
2014-06-26 09:51:40 AM  

foxyshadis: Schizophrenics and psychotics are always going to be a danger to themselves and everyone around them, and narcissists tend to leave lots of damaged people in their wake. But psychopaths can be trained like dogs,


Please don't lump schizophrenics in with Cluster B personality disorders.  The media has really given schizophrenics a bad rap.   Schizophrenics are no danger to anyone as long as they're on their medication.  Even unmedicated they're not particularly likely to harm others in the absence of aggravating factors that also increase the likelihood of violence in the non-schizophrenic population (drug/alcohol abuse and/or pre-existing conduct disorders from childhood).  They know and care about right and wrong.

Malignant narcissists and ASPDs (sociopaths) frequently and repeatedly hurt people either because they think it's fun or because they are incapable of caring, and are generally untreatable because they don't believe there's anything wrong with themselves and they don't see it as a net benefit to them to follow society's rules.  As far as I'm concerned after one offence send them to a dungeon to fight it out amongst themselves.

/Oh Cluster B people, how miserable you make my job
 
2014-06-26 09:52:21 AM  

bunner: Most ostentatiously pious "progressives" are pretty NIMBY, as a rule. "I want to save the world within 500' of me because I'm better than you." In other words, this dame.

cdn.memegenerator.net


That picture is so incredibly perfect.
 
2014-06-26 10:01:14 AM  

Inflatable Rhetoric: Millions of sperm die every minute, no one even notices.


Lies! Damned lies and statistics. Also, pretty sure at least one person notices.
 
2014-06-26 10:05:28 AM  

Taxbongo: poison_amy: Taxbongo: 22 months?

Forgive me, I am unsure of the life cycle of toddlers, but at what age do they begin to speak? I am just curious if the 22 month old was conscience or not of what was happening.

22 month old kids are walking, talking, and figuring stuff out. They had eaten at a restaurant five minutes away, so the kid was wide awake and probably talking a mile a minute. They are also developing logic and he probably tried very hard to get out of his carseat, but likely lacked the fine motor skills and strength.

damn


And probably cried/screamed when Daddy walked away. and did so until he become hoarse or fell asleep.
 
2014-06-26 10:07:39 AM  

if_i_really_have_to: Oh Cluster B people, how miserable you make my job


This. I've never quit a job because of the JOB. I've quit a few because of people, though.
 
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