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(Gawker)   Remember the story about that father who "forgot" his beloved son in a hot SUV? Turns out he also forgot to delete the browser history after his online research on how long it would take an animal to die if it were trapped in a hot car   (gawker.com) divider line 447
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2014-06-26 08:03:53 AM  

mcnguyen: Plus many first responders are idiots, just like any other group.


lolwut?
 
2014-06-26 08:04:46 AM  
Scaphism.

It's the grown up version.
 
2014-06-26 08:05:23 AM  

bunner: Once upon a time, briefly, in America, there was justice, common sense, compassion, dignity, honesty and happy endings that occurred someplace besides a cinema screen.  *sigh*


LOL, when was that?
 
2014-06-26 08:07:02 AM  

bunner: Aero_70: Taxbongo: You find out why he is the way he is. If someone really wants to be rehabilitated they can be. It is all about what conservatives call "discipline". Redeeming this man and making him a productive member of society benefits   the tax payers and makes us look like humans instead of beasts

"I thought I could change him....." said no abused woman ever

If you could have this guy "rehabilitated" would you be OK with the state mandating that he is your childcare provider?
How about convicted rapists/abuser/murderer?... Would you let them be your wife/daughter/mother/son's personal assistant?

Most ostentatiously pious "progressives" are pretty NIMBY, as a rule.  "I want to save the world within 500' of me because I'm better than you." In other words, this dame.

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I'm not the one who is pissed that a black man is in the White House. When you can learn to treat your fellow man like yourself then you will evolve.
 
2014-06-26 08:07:10 AM  

JoieD'Zen: Yaw String: Trailltrader: *Jeepers*  Am I right in making the mental leap the guy was trying to kill his son and that would make it premeditated attempted murder right?  Wow,,,,

Nah, I'm sure it was just a coincidence.


/also believes in Chupacabra, Mermaids, and my wife  enjoys my puns

Chupacabras are real dammit.



"I swish my cape at you!"
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2014-06-26 08:07:47 AM  
Not about this case, but in general I keep seeing a lot of statements about how a parent couldn't make that kind of mistake.  Gene Weingarten of the Washington Post wrote a very sad long article about that.  I don't think it will change any minds, but the gist of it is that it can happen, because of how people's minds work.
 
2014-06-26 08:10:59 AM  

Target Builder: This is definitely a reason to do more investigation but if hope there was additional evidence before they send someone to prison for the rest of his life.


True... perhaps he's just a lazy idiot who wanted to see how long the kid could survive in the car. Something like "Hmm, it says here he'll die after 5 hours, so I'll go check on him in 4.5"

Still, not the kind of person who should be entrusted with the responsibility of caring for another human.
 
2014-06-26 08:11:23 AM  

kling_klang_bed: Lady Indica: MaudlinMutantMollusk: the thought of the suffering that child must have gone through infuriates me

For what little it's worth from what I understand the heat causes unconsciousness pretty quickly. It's uncomfortable, but the suffering is not great. So, at least there's that. :/

As to this asshole...SMH. I wonder if he was doing it for life insurance or because he didn't want to eventually pay child support or what. I just...can't fathom it. Bet he suicides in jail the worthless piece of shiat.

I'm gonna put my money on extramarital affair, and he wanted to off the kid so he could go off with the mistress child and child support free.
Dunno about the no suffering part, considering there was probably little to no oxygen to breathe in the car, which is what would cause the unconsciousness. Between the fishy story (come on, they reported that the smell was horrendous on the local news there, and he still drove a mile and a half before he 'noticed'. Pretty sure the smell of carrion and feces will get anyone's attention immediately) and his more than suspicious internet search, you can stick a fork in this case and call it done.
Dunno about him getting the death penalty, but if his fellow prisoners get wind of it (and they will, since prison knows all secrets), he'll more than likely be killed quite brutally.


That would be nice, but they'll put him in "protective custody" (which I am totally against - you are I there for a reason) and nobody will be able to touch him.  So....I'd just as soon he be executed, since GA is a death-penalty state.
 
2014-06-26 08:11:25 AM  
You know I'm really not a fan of capital punishment but things like this make me very very stabby.
 
2014-06-26 08:12:39 AM  

Mr. Right: Prank Call of Cthulhu: I have just always assumed that the phenomenon of the "l'il sizzler," whereby a parent "accidentally forgets" their kid in a hot car, then looks appropriately glum and remorseful, followed by a DA not bringing charges against them because they've "suffered enough already" is nothing more than a unofficially socially acceptable method of postnatal abortion. I just assumed there was some unspoken rule amongst people with kids that if you want to get rid of your squalling crotchspawn, pulling a l'il sizzler was the way to do it.

Because I still can't figure out--even after reading Gene Weingarten's Pulitzer-winning article about it--how in the fark anyone can forget a kid in a car. You're telling me that after shoveling the crapload of weird supplies you need for a kid (diapers, snacks, wipes, juice, DVD player and Baby Einstein CD, stuffed toys, etc.) in the car, along with a huge honking car seat, and then driving around with a dribbling, excreting, screaming thing throwing toys and body fluids around, that you "just forget" about it? I call shenanigans. People do this on purpose.

Yup.  It's been a long time since my children were little but I've had the great good fortune of being able to take care of all of my grandchildren at some point or other, starting when they were very young.  You never forget that they're around, whether in a vehicle or in your home.  It's always on your mind.  I'm normally a sound sleeper, but let a grandbaby be staying at Papa's house overnight and a pin drop will wake me up - just in case there's a problem.  A normal person does not ever lose track of a helpless, totally dependent child.


This would be the correct answer Sir. Being the mother of 2 now adult kids, I can tell you that when they are car seat age, you NEVER EVER have one waking moment that doesn't involve thinking about your child (and what the hell are they doing now)  if you are the adult on patrol. Personally, I find the whole "forgot the kid was in the car" excuse to be completely implausible, but there are some spectacularly stupid people on this planet, so maybe a small handful of these incidents are genuine accidents.

/Husband and I high fived each other on each of their 18th birthdays. Wooohooo! We kept them alive for 18 years!!! It's on them now!
 
2014-06-26 08:16:14 AM  
How I would change the death penalty:

Jan 1st of every year we clean out death row. You can have your appeals up until then, but once the 1st hits, you're done. If you got there Dec 30th, it sucks to be you. You have a day and a half for appeals. Hope the next day is a business day. (I bet you'd see the crime rate drop around Christmas time!) Of course I would make the execution at noon, so you could sleep in. I have some compassion for these convicts..

Now how to handle the actual execution. You're gonna have several people to take care of at once. You don't really have time to waste strapping each on into the chair, putting the hood over their face, giving each one a prayer. So what you do is handcuff everyone together.  Like a big chain, like they could be the winning team at Red Rover. You then wire the first guy to hot and the last guy to neutral. Give them their last words (Attention group, you've got 30 seconds. Ready, go!) Say a quick prayer for the whole lot,  and turn on the juice. And clean up is a cinch. They are already linked. Just grab the first guy and drag the whole pile to the dump truck. Easy peasy, lemon squeezy.
 
2014-06-26 08:17:44 AM  

Atomic Spunk: Does he have to return his Father's Day gift?
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Why does that mug use the Calvin and Hobbes font without having anything to do with Calvin and Hobbes?
 
2014-06-26 08:18:23 AM  

poison_amy: I really want to know what Dad was doing when he opened the car door at lunch time.  Checking to see if the kid was dead?  Making sure it was heating up in there?


Bringing the basting sauce, some carrots, and turnips.
 
2014-06-26 08:18:38 AM  

Taxbongo: Besides making us feel better what else does executing people do?


It ensures they'll never do it again.
 
2014-06-26 08:18:50 AM  

MythDragon: Jan 1st of every year we clean out death row. You can have your appeals up until then, but once the 1st hits, you're done. If you got there Dec 30th, it sucks to be you


I guess under your regime, all the people on death row who were exonerated because of new evidence over the years would have been SOL.
 
2014-06-26 08:20:04 AM  

MythDragon: Taxbongo: kling_klang_bed: I know someone who's gonna be getting tossed over the rails in prison, and kudos to whoever does it to this subhuman waste of sperm and egg. WTF kind of monster does this to ANY kid, much less their own?!?! I'll just take a wild guess and say he's just vile on a biological level.

Taking pleasure in death even when you feel it is warranted is sick. We are better than this.


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Or something more like:

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvedSvJWT60
 
2014-06-26 08:24:00 AM  

Datanerd: Not about this case, but in general I keep seeing a lot of statements about how a parent couldn't make that kind of mistake.  Gene Weingarten of the Washington Post wrote a very sad long article about that.  I don't think it will change any minds, but the gist of it is that it can happen, because of how people's minds work.


From your link: "It happens that way somewhere in the United States 15 to 25 times a year"

Each year, approximately 4 million infants are born in the United States.
Infant mortality is over 5 per 1,000. That adds up to 20,000 deaths in the 0-1 age group.
So... no. This does not happen often. Good parents do not make that kind of mistake.
 
2014-06-26 08:24:14 AM  

Cold_Sassy: kling_klang_bed: Lady Indica: MaudlinMutantMollusk: the thought of the suffering that child must have gone through infuriates me

For what little it's worth from what I understand the heat causes unconsciousness pretty quickly. It's uncomfortable, but the suffering is not great. So, at least there's that. :/

As to this asshole...SMH. I wonder if he was doing it for life insurance or because he didn't want to eventually pay child support or what. I just...can't fathom it. Bet he suicides in jail the worthless piece of shiat.

I'm gonna put my money on extramarital affair, and he wanted to off the kid so he could go off with the mistress child and child support free.
Dunno about the no suffering part, considering there was probably little to no oxygen to breathe in the car, which is what would cause the unconsciousness. Between the fishy story (come on, they reported that the smell was horrendous on the local news there, and he still drove a mile and a half before he 'noticed'. Pretty sure the smell of carrion and feces will get anyone's attention immediately) and his more than suspicious internet search, you can stick a fork in this case and call it done.
Dunno about him getting the death penalty, but if his fellow prisoners get wind of it (and they will, since prison knows all secrets), he'll more than likely be killed quite brutally.

That would be nice, but they'll put him in "protective custody" (which I am totally against - you are I there for a reason) and nobody will be able to touch him.  So....I'd just as soon he be executed, since GA is a death-penalty state.


I'd rather the Rorschach method of them dealing with him (mentioned in my post a few posts down) if they execute him.
 
2014-06-26 08:26:02 AM  

Datanerd: Not about this case, but in general I keep seeing a lot of statements about how a parent couldn't make that kind of mistake.  Gene Weingarten of the Washington Post wrote a very sad long article about that.  I don't think it will change any minds, but the gist of it is that it can happen, because of how people's minds work

when suffering from a lack of sleep, charged emotion, and/or stress.

FTFY - that's something the article brings up as the consistent factors in these cases, and these are factors that can be controlled, to a large extent.  People (myself included) try to "power through" far too much, and if there's one thing I've learned from my brief time as a parent, it's that in order to take care of your children, you have to take care of yourself, too.
 
2014-06-26 08:26:23 AM  

RodneyToady: You gotta be one heartless son of a biatch to kill anyone that way, let alone your kid.  I mean, think about it.  He drove away, knowing his kid was in the process of dying a horrible death.  At any point he could have had second thoughts and tried to back out of it. He let it go on.

That's a lack of empathy and compassion I can't even fathom.


There are many people walking around that are incapable of feeling empathy and compassion towards others (sociopaths).

/ at least fear of punishment keeps the smarter ones from (directly) doing horrible things like this...
 
2014-06-26 08:28:02 AM  

JohnAnnArbor: Gdalescrboz: Please, whats her name down in Florida had internet searches looking for ways to dispose of bodies and partied the entire month her daughter was "missing."

Oh, here we go. Nancy Grace and "tot dad."


I remember getting bombarded with "check out this video" facebook links to animals in cars a couple of weeks back. I'd be much more concerned if he had no browser history.
 
2014-06-26 08:28:04 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: sno man: Every once in a while one of these come along and you wish for eye-for-an-eye punishment.  Lock this guy in his car, in an adult sized car seat, all strapped in for safety. Make sure it in a sunny spot, roll up the windows, lock the doors and walk away. Bye waster of O2

Or, just put him in gen pop in prison, nature will take its course.


Yeah, he doesn't look like he'll be able to handle prison life very well, especially with that crime. Dudes life is about to really, really suck.
 
2014-06-26 08:28:16 AM  

E5bie: Taxbongo: 22 months?

Forgive me, I am unsure of the life cycle of toddlers, but at what age do they begin to speak? I am just curious if the 22 month old was conscience or not of what was happening.

At 22 months old they speak toddler-ese, using one and two word "sentences". Parents and caregivers are able to translate that fairly well. To outsiders it is usually a mystery. At two years old, a child is just starting to get smarter than the family dog. He probably knew that it felt really bad until he passed out. No concept of why or what the consequence would be of no help coming.


This statement is so true and soooooo sad.
 
2014-06-26 08:32:13 AM  
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2014-06-26 08:32:53 AM  
But Pierce told CNN on Friday, "I cannot confirm that the child, as originally reported, was in the car at 9 a.m."

so another article is saying the child may not have been in the car all day, or might have had a different cause of death and the leaving the child in the car all day was just a cover for the real cause of death.  The same article says the dad took the child to breakfast that morning.  Perhaps he slipped something into the kid's food, then left him in the car all day???  Perhaps he poisoned him first or just knocked him out so the baking wouldn't be so bad for him?
 
2014-06-26 08:33:55 AM  
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2014-06-26 08:35:39 AM  

poison_amy: It's going to play out that the guy has another woman, wanted a divorce but didn't want to pay child support. These usually look like tragic accidents but every now and then the "kid in the hot car" just looks way too convenient... Like the family who "forgot" their disabled special needs kid who was like nine. In their own driveway.


He won't last long in prison.  Child abusers are the lowest of the low there.
 
2014-06-26 08:36:04 AM  

cherryl taggart: This case reminds me of Susan Smith in SC, when she strapped 2 boys into car seats and watched them drown.


People can be so forgetful when cars are involved...
www.freedomsphoenix.com

or

pinkbunnyears.com

sleepcompass.com
 
2014-06-26 08:37:45 AM  

Taxbongo: 22 months?

Forgive me, I am unsure of the life cycle of toddlers, but at what age do they begin to speak? I am just curious if the 22 month old was conscience or not of what was happening.


Speech doesn't indicate consciousness.

A two year old would certainly be experiencing pain as an adult understands the concept.
 
2014-06-26 08:38:25 AM  

Mr. Right: I would have to disagree with the "people can be rehabilitated" notion.  Some people can, others cannot.  Psychiatry and psychology are not exact sciences but they can detect the difference between a personality disorder and a mental illness. A personality disorder can be treated because the person can intellectually recognize that his behavior is deviant and, difficult though it be, can work to correct it.  The truly mentally ill person may exhibit the same behaviors but is intellectually incapable of recognizing that there is anything wrong.  He may be able to recognize that the same behavior is wrong if somebody else does it but is still incapable of recognizing it as wrong if he does it.  Those people cannot be rehabilitated and must be removed from society in a manner befitting their crime, whether that removal entails a humane execution or permanent incarceration.


I hope you're not a shrink, because I think you have them backwards. Personality disorders are Axis II disorders, mostly viewed as life-long, intractable ways of behaviors. People we call "psychopaths" are on the extreme end of the personality disorders. Very mild personality disorders can be treated--they can sort of see that their own behavior is hurting their life, but it's very difficult. Their entire way of dealing with life is to blame others for everything, and it takes years of therapy to make any changes in this thinking. Some therapists claim that they've "cured" personality disorders, but as someone who's known a lot of them, I don't believe it, unless they are very mild illnesses. Maybe they changed their behavior enough to fool the therapist. A high-functioning PD sometimes can. Saying the right thing to a shrink 2 hours a week is a lot different than actually changing your way of thinking. And if there's one thing that those troublesome PDs share--they lie compulsively. Even when they don't need to, and you have no idea why they'd even do it under the circumstances.

Schizophrenics, bi-polar, all those people who are obviously "crazy"--they know they're crazy. They might not while they're at their worst, but those are Axis I disorders--they go into remission, they have periods of coherence, and they know there's something wrong with them. Still very difficult to treat, since they wig out again and won't take their meds, or they decide that they like being like that while they're high, but they have insight--they can look inside themselves and see how their behavior affects others. Hard to believe, but a moderate to severe personality disorder has no insight--they will never, ever see how their own behavior makes others react to them. Sure, you can train them to act a certain way and fit in, to a degree, and the smart ones learn how say and do the right things, in public, but their mind does not change. They are always the victim, and you are always the oppressor, and whatever they do to anyone is justified. Their brains are permanently broken, and that thinking can't be cured by drugs or therapy. OJ Simpson is a personality disorder--"If I did do it, it must have been because I loved her very much." He really believes this. It was her fault. Most career criminals are personality disorders--they never see how robbing that store, again, caused them to end up in prison, again. it was society's fault because he couldn't get a job! His wife shouldn't have been biatching at him to get a job, or he wouldn't have had to do it!

This guy? If he's actually guilty--personality disorder. He could, if you got him to talk, explain and entirely justify why it was necessary to leave his baby in the car to die. He might, if you prompted him enough, say that, well, yeah, it was wrong to kill the kid because....and the next words out of his mouth would be, Yeah, but.....with a long explanation of why it actually WAS necessary, and it's not his fault. He was just the victim who was put there to make this happen, for a perfectly good reason, of course.

/You think I'm shallow and pedantic now--I just got a job working with mentally ill people.
 
2014-06-26 08:39:58 AM  

Mugato: bunner: Once upon a time, briefly, in America, there was justice, common sense, compassion, dignity, honesty and happy endings that occurred someplace besides a cinema screen.  *sigh*

LOL, when was that?


it sure wasn't the 1950's....despite what the media & politicians say about that decade.
 
2014-06-26 08:42:28 AM  

Forbidden Doughnut: Mugato: bunner: Once upon a time, briefly, in America, there was justice, common sense, compassion, dignity, honesty and happy endings that occurred someplace besides a cinema screen.  *sigh*

LOL, when was that?

it sure wasn't the 1950's....despite what the media & politicians say about that decade.


Yeah, ask some minorities, gays and to a lesser extent women how great the 50s were.
 
2014-06-26 08:45:22 AM  

MythDragon: How I would change the death penalty:

Jan 1st of every year we clean out death row. You can have your appeals up until then, but once the 1st hits, you're done. If you got there Dec 30th, it sucks to be you. You have a day and a half for appeals. Hope the next day is a business day. (I bet you'd see the crime rate drop around Christmas time!) Of course I would make the execution at noon, so you could sleep in. I have some compassion for these convicts..

Now how to handle the actual execution. You're gonna have several people to take care of at once. You don't really have time to waste strapping each on into the chair, putting the hood over their face, giving each one a prayer. So what you do is handcuff everyone together.  Like a big chain, like they could be the winning team at Red Rover. You then wire the first guy to hot and the last guy to neutral. Give them their last words (Attention group, you've got 30 seconds. Ready, go!) Say a quick prayer for the whole lot,  and turn on the juice. And clean up is a cinch. They are already linked. Just grab the first guy and drag the whole pile to the dump truck. Easy peasy, lemon squeezy.


In what amazing world are you living where crimes are solved, processed and criminals sentenced in this sort of time frame?
 
2014-06-26 08:46:06 AM  
I read the WaPo article from a few years ago and was somewhat sympathetic but still a skeptic until Mrs1080 and I had a kid (2 weeks ago). Holy farking sleep deprivation.

At one point right after the birth (48 hours without sleep due to when Mrs1080 went into labor) I basically blacked out. Mrs woke me up to watch the baby b/c she had to pee, and when she came back I had stripped to my underwear and was sleeping in her hospital bed. I have no memory of this, don't remember her waking me up to watch the baby, etc.

Now that baby is home, things are better, he's an okay night sleeper so that's all good, but if you have a kid that's up every hour all night to feed, and you both have to work all day...yeah, I can see now how easily it can happen accidentally.

/can't see how someone would do it on purpose. If it was intentional, the man's a monster.
 
2014-06-26 08:46:53 AM  

Spanky McStupid: E5bie: mcnguyen: Gaylord Fister: It doesn't say if he googled that before or after his son died. If he did it afterwards, he just might have wanted to know how long the kid suffered.

Yeah, when he did those searches makes a big difference.  The only other thing mentioned in the article is that first responders didn't think his answers "made sense".  He could have just been really shaken up that he accidentally killed his kid.  Plus many first responders are idiots, just like any other group.  I'll wait for better info before sharpening my pitchforks.

Sometimes, you can just tell when a person is lying. First responders have experience with panicking, shaken up people. They have some idea about the range of reactions. Another thing mentioned in the article: it was his work's on-site daycare. Which sort of indicates that dropping off kid and picking up kid would be an every day thing, not a shared duty, which drops the likelihood of forgetting considerably. Maybe the question was asked, "Who put the kid in the car this morning?" at which point his play-acting body language went from detectable to obvious. Speculation, of course.

Personally, I'm ready with the pitchforks even if it was an accident (doubt it). That's not the sort of accident that careful parents have. You don't forget your kid. Especially not a toddler, whose existence shapes most of your waking moments outside of work. Doesn't. Happen.


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Hold on; gotta sharpen mine and I'll go with you.


I have a 20-month-old-niece. I'll pitchfork with you.

The guy in TFA is shady. I kind of understood an incident that happened around here awhile back. A guy that had a family restaurant had his kid in his car and went to check on the restaurant briefly. He went in and found there was a grease fire or something in the kitchen and got wrapped up in taking care of that. By the time he remembered the kid, it was too late. I felt a bit for that guy but not the guy in TFA.
 
2014-06-26 08:46:56 AM  

lamecomedian: hen suffering from a lack of sleep, charged emotion, and/or stress.
FTFY - that's something the article brings up as the consistent factors in these cases, and these are factors that can be controlled, to a large extent. People (myself included) try to "power through" far too much, and if there's one thing I've learned from my brief time as a parent, it's that in order to take care of your children, you have to take care of yourself, too.

Yup. I've never lived like that, like a lot of you live--not enough sleep, on overdrive all the time, working too much. My mental health won't stand for it. But I was in an abusive relationship, and when our son was very young, I was depressed. Really, really, depressed. I was taking care of our son full-time, and while I knew that I wasn't paying enough attention to him--I was sitting on the couch half the day, either crying or just spaced completely out--I thought I was doing OK.

One day I "came to" and the 3-year-old was gone. Out of the house. I went outside, and he had wandered down the road to the neighbor's, about a quarter mile, and was inside their horse corral. Luckily, the neighbors had a little girl about the same age, and the horse wasn't freaked out by my kid. But he could have been killed, just like that. (He wasn't in danger from traffic or anything--we lived on a dirt road.) But I came out of my fog long enough to realize just how far I'd slid and how farked up I was getting. the next day I went and got on antidepressants.

/and not too long after that, I left that abusive motherfarker.
 
2014-06-26 08:50:11 AM  

bunner: Once upon a time, briefly, in America, there was justice, common sense, compassion, dignity, honesty and happy endings that occurred someplace besides a cinema screen.  *sigh*


You are a farking lunatic.
 
2014-06-26 08:52:21 AM  
This is obviously beyond a horrible thing to do to someone else, especially a child, but usually even adults are not in mental distress before losing consciousness to heatstroke.  Heat makes you feel tired.  Similar to fainting due to blood loss or hypoxia.  It is likely in my mind that the child was asleep when the father left and stayed asleep.  It doesn't make the father a better person, but it does give me fewer nightmares.
 
2014-06-26 08:52:51 AM  
As the father of a three year old, I'm not saying what he did is right ... But I understand.
 
2014-06-26 08:53:28 AM  
I forgot to say:

/I keed.
 
2014-06-26 08:55:51 AM  
Kid killed by father in hot car......liberal outrage.

Thousands of kids killed each day in abortion 'clinics'....crickets.
 
2014-06-26 08:56:30 AM  

Taxbongo: 22 months?

Forgive me, I am unsure of the life cycle of toddlers, but at what age do they begin to speak? I am just curious if the 22 month old was conscience or not of what was happening.


They learn to understand language a long time before they can speak it.

By the time a kid is 18 months old they can probably say a couple dozed words (varies a LOT) but you should assume they can understand pretty much anything you say in front of them. By then they have very distinct personalities, circles of friends, a sense of humor and so on. They're pretty much little kids rather than babies.

Infants and toddlers at all ages know when something bad is happening to them and when they are in distress, the kid would probably have been terrified until the heat overcame him.

This is partly why I'd really hope they have a lot more on this guy than a few web searches - if he did this deliberately then he needs to rot in jail and not get off because of lazy prosecution. From the sounds of it there is a lot of other evidence they are collecting to build a solid case.
 
2014-06-26 08:56:56 AM  

Mugato: MythDragon: Jan 1st of every year we clean out death row. You can have your appeals up until then, but once the 1st hits, you're done. If you got there Dec 30th, it sucks to be you

I guess under your regime, all the people on death row who were exonerated because of new evidence over the years would have been SOL.


Pretty much, yes.

But you can't buy an omlette without stealing some eggs. Or something.

/maybe you don't understand how a regime works....
//On the plus side, government subsidized hookers. Good ones too. No meth whores. And blackjack.
 
2014-06-26 08:56:59 AM  
I'm listening to my 2 year old son playing right now, and it just hurts to think that anyone would intentionally do something so absolutely horrific to their little one. Sometimes I wish there were a hell.
 
2014-06-26 08:57:48 AM  
Good thing he's in Georgia because it will make punishment easier.

Take the guy out in the middle of a field, put him into a straight jacket, and strap him into a vehicle with the windows rolled up. In a couple days, just set he car on fire.

I'm glad I read this story before I left for work this morning so I could give my kid a hug.
 
2014-06-26 08:59:46 AM  

starsrift: stonelotus: starsrift: Was the search after the death?

/ Pollyanna I am

more like too lazy to RTFA.

I did RTFA. And the article doesn't put any kind of timestamp on the search.

Sensationalist journalism likes to do shiat like that.


So, you think he may have gooogled that stuff after he was arrested?
 
2014-06-26 09:00:09 AM  

bborchar: I'm listening to my 2 year old son playing right now, and it just hurts to think that anyone would intentionally do something so absolutely horrific to their little one. Sometimes I wish there were a hell.


Maximum security in Georgia may be pretty close.
 
2014-06-26 09:01:53 AM  

kendelrio: As the father of a three year old, I'm not saying what he did is right ... But I understand.


You understand what? Please elaborate.
 
2014-06-26 09:03:19 AM  
cdn.charismanews.com
www.truthdig.com

But but.....children need a mom and dad...
 
2014-06-26 09:03:28 AM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: I have just always assumed that the phenomenon of the "l'il sizzler," whereby a parent "accidentally forgets" their kid in a hot car, then looks appropriately glum and remorseful, followed by a DA not bringing charges against them because they've "suffered enough already" is nothing more than a unofficially socially acceptable method of postnatal abortion. I just assumed there was some unspoken rule amongst people with kids that if you want to get rid of your squalling crotchspawn, pulling a l'il sizzler was the way to do it.

Because I still can't figure out--even after reading Gene Weingarten's Pulitzer-winning article about it--how in the fark anyone can forget a kid in a car. You're telling me that after shoveling the crapload of weird supplies you need for a kid (diapers, snacks, wipes, juice, DVD player and Baby Einstein CD, stuffed toys, etc.) in the car, along with a huge honking car seat, and then driving around with a dribbling, excreting, screaming thing throwing toys and body fluids around, that you "just forget" about it? I call shenanigans. People do this on purpose.


This.  When I lived in Kentucky in the late 1990s during one summer there was almost an epidemic of L'il Sizzlers in my area.  The rolling ovens' ownership was equally divided between moms and grandmas.  Every one of them got the "she's suffered enough" treatment, no charges filed.  I opined at my job that there was no way one could forget she had a toddler in the car and all the mommies freaked.  "You don't know what it's LIIIIIKE to be a mom, we're so BUUUUUUSY, it was an AAAAACCIDENT!!!!"  I said "if you're that forgetful when you're busy, maybe you should have thought of that before you had a kid."  More flailing.

It has been proven time and time again that the people most likely to be dangerous to a child are his/her parents, yet people always act so shocked when a kid buys it at Mom or Dad's hand.  Breeding licenses.  Now.
 
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