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(Gawker)   Remember the story about that father who "forgot" his beloved son in a hot SUV? Turns out he also forgot to delete the browser history after his online research on how long it would take an animal to die if it were trapped in a hot car   (gawker.com ) divider line
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2014-06-26 05:57:49 AM  
www.encyclopediaofarkansas.net
 
2014-06-26 05:59:35 AM  

if_i_really_have_to: Someone in the police force leaked this detail to the media intentionally.  What sort of bullshiat is this?   How is that in any way appropriate or acceptable?  Whatever this guy did, the person who leaked the details to the press should be fired.

/Way to go tainting the jury pool, genius


It's also interesting that considering how many farkers are mistrustful of or just plain hate the police, they're lining right up and accepting some vague statements made by an anonymous cop.
 
2014-06-26 06:07:05 AM  
This case reminds me of Susan Smith in SC, when she strapped 2 boys into car seats and watched them drown.
 
2014-06-26 06:08:13 AM  
22 months?

Forgive me, I am unsure of the life cycle of toddlers, but at what age do they begin to speak? I am just curious if the 22 month old was conscience or not of what was happening.
 
2014-06-26 06:08:26 AM  
I believe they also have video of him going to the car on his lunch break, opening the door, putting something inside, and walking away.
 
2014-06-26 06:08:52 AM  

foxyshadis: That bloodthirst makes you no better than him in the first place, even if you haven't killed (yet). Just execute him and remove him from society if he's guilty; society is better served with quick and cheap solutions, there's no point in prolonging it so random angry people can get their jollies from a distance. Turn some torture porn on if you need that.

/I subscribe to the "people can be rehabilitated" idea, but not only do US prisons rarely even attempt that, it's unlikely he's worth the effort anyway.


You're correct about the bloodthirst being vengeance, not justice.

I would have to disagree with the "people can be rehabilitated" notion.  Some people can, others cannot.  Psychiatry and psychology are not exact sciences but they can detect the difference between a personality disorder and a mental illness.  A personality disorder can be treated because the person can intellectually recognize that his behavior is deviant and, difficult though it be, can work to correct it.  The truly mentally ill person may exhibit the same behaviors but is intellectually incapable of recognizing that there is anything wrong.  He may be able to recognize that the same behavior is wrong if somebody else does it but is still incapable of recognizing it as wrong if he does it.  Those people cannot be rehabilitated and must be removed from society in a manner befitting their crime, whether that removal entails a humane execution or permanent incarceration.
 
2014-06-26 06:09:42 AM  
Maybe he was looking that up so he could see how long it would take some other person to die?
 
2014-06-26 06:11:15 AM  

Taxbongo: 22 months?

Forgive me, I am unsure of the life cycle of toddlers, but at what age do they begin to speak? I am just curious if the 22 month old was conscience or not of what was happening.


22 month old kids are walking, talking, and figuring stuff out. They had eaten at a restaurant five minutes away, so the kid was wide awake and probably talking a mile a minute. They are also developing logic and he probably tried very hard to get out of his carseat, but likely lacked the fine motor skills and strength.
 
2014-06-26 06:11:57 AM  

poison_amy: Taxbongo: 22 months?

Forgive me, I am unsure of the life cycle of toddlers, but at what age do they begin to speak? I am just curious if the 22 month old was conscience or not of what was happening.

22 month old kids are walking, talking, and figuring stuff out. They had eaten at a restaurant five minutes away, so the kid was wide awake and probably talking a mile a minute. They are also developing logic and he probably tried very hard to get out of his carseat, but likely lacked the fine motor skills and strength.


damn
 
2014-06-26 06:12:02 AM  

namatad: MaudlinMutantMollusk: If this is true, this "man" should be burned alive

/the thought of the suffering that child must have gone through infuriates me

nope
death is way too good for people like this
life in prison, no parole, being beaten and raped daily by other inmates, oh yah, that's the one, just punishment for things like this guy


understand your position
still
if you have captured a rabid dog
do you put it down
or place in a cage and poke with sticks

put him down
(mind you if it takes a bit and he screams a lot - ill just quibble about the time its taking)
 
2014-06-26 06:16:03 AM  

mcnguyen: Gaylord Fister: It doesn't say if he googled that before or after his son died. If he did it afterwards, he just might have wanted to know how long the kid suffered.

Yeah, when he did those searches makes a big difference.  The only other thing mentioned in the article is that first responders didn't think his answers "made sense".  He could have just been really shaken up that he accidentally killed his kid.  Plus many first responders are idiots, just like any other group.  I'll wait for better info before sharpening my pitchforks.


Sometimes, you can just tell when a person is lying. First responders have experience with panicking, shaken up people. They have some idea about the range of reactions. Another thing mentioned in the article: it was his work's on-site daycare. Which sort of indicates that dropping off kid and picking up kid would be an every day thing, not a shared duty, which drops the likelihood of forgetting considerably. Maybe the question was asked, "Who put the kid in the car this morning?" at which point his play-acting body language went from detectable to obvious. Speculation, of course.

Personally, I'm ready with the pitchforks even if it was an accident (doubt it). That's not the sort of accident that careful parents have. You don't forget your kid. Especially not a toddler, whose existence shapes most of your waking moments outside of work. Doesn't. Happen.
 
2014-06-26 06:16:04 AM  
Did anyone actually think it was an accident when they first heard the story?
I'm surprised he never mentioned some dark skinned men forcibly closing the doors to his car and gave him an amnesia drug that lasted for 7 hours.

That's some extra bad murder shiat.
 
2014-06-26 06:17:30 AM  

bindlestiff2600: namatad: MaudlinMutantMollusk: If this is true, this "man" should be burned alive

/the thought of the suffering that child must have gone through infuriates me

nope
death is way too good for people like this
life in prison, no parole, being beaten and raped daily by other inmates, oh yah, that's the one, just punishment for things like this guy

understand your position
still
if you have captured a rabid dog
do you put it down
or place in a cage and poke with sticks

put him down
(mind you if it takes a bit and he screams a lot - ill just quibble about the time its taking)


Besides making us feel better what else does executing people do?

Nothing. It is wrong to take a life. It shows that we are no better than them
 
2014-06-26 06:17:47 AM  
I know someone who's gonna be getting tossed over the rails in prison, and kudos to whoever does it to this subhuman waste of sperm and egg. WTF kind of monster does this to ANY kid, much less their own?!?! I'll just take a wild guess and say he's just vile on a biological level.
 
2014-06-26 06:19:16 AM  
It's going to play out that the guy has another woman, wanted a divorce but didn't want to pay child support. These usually look like tragic accidents but every now and then the "kid in the hot car" just looks way too convenient... Like the family who "forgot" their disabled special needs kid who was like nine. In their own driveway.
 
2014-06-26 06:19:30 AM  
He did the search from his work computer. I hate people who are goofing off all day on their computer when they should be doing work instead.
 
2014-06-26 06:19:46 AM  

kling_klang_bed: I know someone who's gonna be getting tossed over the rails in prison, and kudos to whoever does it to this subhuman waste of sperm and egg. WTF kind of monster does this to ANY kid, much less their own?!?! I'll just take a wild guess and say he's just vile on a biological level.


Taking pleasure in death even when you feel it is warranted is sick. We are better than this.
 
2014-06-26 06:21:26 AM  

Taxbongo: Besides making us feel better what else does executing people do?


Executions don't make you feel good.

They do prevent recidivism, though.
 
2014-06-26 06:22:00 AM  

Two Dogs Farking: As the father of a young boy, I can't express how much this disgusts me. I am completely befuddled.

At the very least, the father needs to be castrated, preferably as painfully as possible - with a hot fireplace poker or by pitbull - to ensure that he never reproduces again.


I'm thinking cheese grater or mandolin slicer.
 
2014-06-26 06:22:17 AM  
clatl.com
Goergia is a death penalty states.
 
2014-06-26 06:22:29 AM  
I have just always assumed that the phenomenon of the "l'il sizzler," whereby a parent "accidentally forgets" their kid in a hot car, then looks appropriately glum and remorseful, followed by a DA not bringing charges against them because they've "suffered enough already" is nothing more than a unofficially socially acceptable method of postnatal abortion. I just assumed there was some unspoken rule amongst people with kids that if you want to get rid of your squalling crotchspawn, pulling a l'il sizzler was the way to do it.

Because I still can't figure out--even after reading Gene Weingarten's Pulitzer-winning article about it--how in the fark anyone can forget a kid in a car. You're telling me that after shoveling the crapload of weird supplies you need for a kid (diapers, snacks, wipes, juice, DVD player and Baby Einstein CD, stuffed toys, etc.) in the car, along with a huge honking car seat, and then driving around with a dribbling, excreting, screaming thing throwing toys and body fluids around, that you "just forget" about it? I call shenanigans. People do this on purpose.
 
2014-06-26 06:22:31 AM  

Taxbongo: 22 months?

Forgive me, I am unsure of the life cycle of toddlers, but at what age do they begin to speak? I am just curious if the 22 month old was conscience or not of what was happening.


Roughly a well used Furby in intelligence.
 
2014-06-26 06:22:57 AM  

Taxbongo: 22 months?

Forgive me, I am unsure of the life cycle of toddlers, but at what age do they begin to speak? I am just curious if the 22 month old was conscience or not of what was happening.


At 22 months old they speak toddler-ese, using one and two word "sentences". Parents and caregivers are able to translate that fairly well. To outsiders it is usually a mystery. At two years old, a child is just starting to get smarter than the family dog. He probably knew that it felt really bad until he passed out. No concept of why or what the consequence would be of no help coming.
 
2014-06-26 06:23:27 AM  

doglover: Taxbongo: Besides making us feel better what else does executing people do?

Executions don't make you feel good.

They do prevent recidivism, though.


So does locking them up until they are no longer a threat
 
2014-06-26 06:24:03 AM  

Taxbongo: kling_klang_bed: I know someone who's gonna be getting tossed over the rails in prison, and kudos to whoever does it to this subhuman waste of sperm and egg. WTF kind of monster does this to ANY kid, much less their own?!?! I'll just take a wild guess and say he's just vile on a biological level.

Taking pleasure in death even when you feel it is warranted is sick. We are better than this.


Fair enough. May he have a long, horrifying existence riddled with constant pain, terror and fear.
 
2014-06-26 06:25:04 AM  

Taxbongo: bindlestiff2600: namatad: MaudlinMutantMollusk: If this is true, this "man" should be burned alive

/the thought of the suffering that child must have gone through infuriates me

nope
death is way too good for people like this
life in prison, no parole, being beaten and raped daily by other inmates, oh yah, that's the one, just punishment for things like this guy

understand your position
still
if you have captured a rabid dog
do you put it down
or place in a cage and poke with sticks

put him down
(mind you if it takes a bit and he screams a lot - ill just quibble about the time its taking)

Besides making us feel better what else does executing people do?

Nothing. It is wrong to take a life. It shows that we are no better than them


Well, it also ensures that they won't be killing anyone else. Now you will probably say that being locked away in prison does that, but people kill each other and guards all the time.

/not really pro-death penalty, per se
 
2014-06-26 06:28:09 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: the thought of the suffering that child must have gone through infuriates me


For what little it's worth from what I understand the heat causes unconsciousness pretty quickly. It's uncomfortable, but the suffering is not great. So, at least there's that. :/

As to this asshole...SMH. I wonder if he was doing it for life insurance or because he didn't want to eventually pay child support or what. I just...can't fathom it. Bet he suicides in jail the worthless piece of shiat.
 
2014-06-26 06:28:55 AM  

Taxbongo: So does locking them up until they are no longer a threat


That costs money.  A lot of it.  F*ck that.  If we're gonna live in a society that sucks money's dick, and that can not make the connection between a tax funded medicine model and a robust citizenry, we can throw pieces of trash like this away.  And as far as a chemical cocktail, ammo is about 34¢ a round.  When a dog goes rabid, you put it down.
 
2014-06-26 06:29:37 AM  
Play him off Hanover Fiste
 
2014-06-26 06:30:46 AM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: I have just always assumed that the phenomenon of the "l'il sizzler," whereby a parent "accidentally forgets" their kid in a hot car, then looks appropriately glum and remorseful, followed by a DA not bringing charges against them because they've "suffered enough already" is nothing more than a unofficially socially acceptable method of postnatal abortion. I just assumed there was some unspoken rule amongst people with kids that if you want to get rid of your squalling crotchspawn, pulling a l'il sizzler was the way to do it.

Because I still can't figure out--even after reading Gene Weingarten's Pulitzer-winning article about it--how in the fark anyone can forget a kid in a car. You're telling me that after shoveling the crapload of weird supplies you need for a kid (diapers, snacks, wipes, juice, DVD player and Baby Einstein CD, stuffed toys, etc.) in the car, along with a huge honking car seat, and then driving around with a dribbling, excreting, screaming thing throwing toys and body fluids around, that you "just forget" about it? I call shenanigans. People do this on purpose.


Yup.  It's been a long time since my children were little but I've had the great good fortune of being able to take care of all of my grandchildren at some point or other, starting when they were very young.  You never forget that they're around, whether in a vehicle or in your home.  It's always on your mind.  I'm normally a sound sleeper, but let a grandbaby be staying at Papa's house overnight and a pin drop will wake me up - just in case there's a problem.  A normal person does not ever lose track of a helpless, totally dependent child.
 
2014-06-26 06:32:44 AM  
IIRC,  they are saying he placed the child in a rear-facing child seat. That makes no sense to me. As a mother and a grandmother who has done my share of buckling kids into the car,  I am sure that  well before that age (22 months) that child should have been in a seat that faces forward. Why would he do that? So he can later claim he couldn't see the boy in his rear-view mirror?

/speculation is all I've got
//sad
 
2014-06-26 06:33:47 AM  

E5bie: mcnguyen: Gaylord Fister: It doesn't say if he googled that before or after his son died. If he did it afterwards, he just might have wanted to know how long the kid suffered.

Yeah, when he did those searches makes a big difference.  The only other thing mentioned in the article is that first responders didn't think his answers "made sense".  He could have just been really shaken up that he accidentally killed his kid.  Plus many first responders are idiots, just like any other group.  I'll wait for better info before sharpening my pitchforks.

Sometimes, you can just tell when a person is lying. First responders have experience with panicking, shaken up people. They have some idea about the range of reactions. Another thing mentioned in the article: it was his work's on-site daycare. Which sort of indicates that dropping off kid and picking up kid would be an every day thing, not a shared duty, which drops the likelihood of forgetting considerably. Maybe the question was asked, "Who put the kid in the car this morning?" at which point his play-acting body language went from detectable to obvious. Speculation, of course.

Personally, I'm ready with the pitchforks even if it was an accident (doubt it). That's not the sort of accident that careful parents have. You don't forget your kid. Especially not a toddler, whose existence shapes most of your waking moments outside of work. Doesn't. Happen.



marcellusdrilling.com
Hold on; gotta sharpen mine and I'll go with you.
 
2014-06-26 06:38:55 AM  

Trailltrader: *Jeepers*  Am I right in making the mental leap the guy was trying to kill his son and that would make it premeditated attempted murder right?  Wow,,,,


I can only answer for myself. My son was born when I was young enough to be classified as 'young and foolish'. There wasn't a chance in the world he ever went from my sight or was left alone. Especially at that age. I'll admit my greatest fear was the sick folk who abduct small children. Whatever the fear, I feel relatively certain in saying no parent just 'forgets' the kid is in the car with them.

I just cannot wrap my head around forgetting your toddler.

I know - innocent until proven guilty. Just saying his story seems impossible to me.
 
2014-06-26 06:40:10 AM  

JohnAnnArbor: What's the motive?


I suspect divorce, reduced custody, child support payment issues, ex-wife or gf remarried.etc. Dad decides "If I can't spend all the time I want with him, neither can you". There is a lot of that going around.
 
2014-06-26 06:41:59 AM  

bunner: Taxbongo: So does locking them up until they are no longer a threat

That costs money.  A lot of it.  F*ck that.  If we're gonna live in a society that sucks money's dick, and that can not make the connection between a tax funded medicine model and a robust citizenry, we can throw pieces of trash like this away.  And as far as a chemical cocktail, ammo is about 34¢ a round.  When a dog goes rabid, you put it down.


Everything is resource intensive. People go for decades on death row just waiting and doing nothing but costing us a lot of money. If you wanted the cheapest route that would be rehabilitation.
 
2014-06-26 06:42:16 AM  
I really want to know what Dad was doing when he opened the car door at lunch time.  Checking to see if the kid was dead?  Making sure it was heating up in there?
 
2014-06-26 06:43:21 AM  

Taxbongo: doglover: Taxbongo: Besides making us feel better what else does executing people do?

Executions don't make you feel good.

They do prevent recidivism, though.

So does locking them up until they are no longer a threat


No it doesn't.

In fact, it encourages worse behavior in the jail.
 
2014-06-26 06:44:52 AM  

phenn: Just saying his story seems impossible to me.


thinkingmomsrevolution.com

I'm sure that his attorney is mounting a credible defense to convince 12 citizens, good and true that despite the waddling and quacking
 
2014-06-26 06:45:07 AM  
Taxbongo:  If you wanted the cheapest route that would be rehabilitation.

How do you go about rehabilitating this?  At what point can you say "nope, this guy will definitely never leave a kid to sizzle in his car again."

How do you fix that kind of mental depravity?
 
2014-06-26 06:45:33 AM  

Taxbongo: If you wanted the cheapest route that would be rehabilitation.


Not really.
 
2014-06-26 06:47:41 AM  
And frankly, everybody shilling to "save the poor, misguided dirtbags" can get back to me when the last hungry child is fed and there's a surplus that allows for trying to spray perfume on excrement.
 
2014-06-26 06:47:42 AM  

poison_amy: Taxbongo:  If you wanted the cheapest route that would be rehabilitation.

How do you go about rehabilitating this?  At what point can you say "nope, this guy will definitely never leave a kid to sizzle in his car again."

How do you fix that kind of mental depravity?


You find out why he is the way he is. If someone really wants to be rehabilitated they can be. It is all about what conservatives call "discipline". Redeeming this man and making him a productive member of society benefits   the tax payers and makes us look like humans instead of beasts
 
2014-06-26 06:51:11 AM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: I have just always assumed that the phenomenon of the "l'il sizzler," whereby a parent "accidentally forgets" their kid in a hot car, then looks appropriately glum and remorseful, followed by a DA not bringing charges against them because they've "suffered enough already" is nothing more than a unofficially socially acceptable method of postnatal abortion. I just assumed there was some unspoken rule amongst people with kids that if you want to get rid of your squalling crotchspawn, pulling a l'il sizzler was the way to do it.

Because I still can't figure out--even after reading Gene Weingarten's Pulitzer-winning article about it--how in the fark anyone can forget a kid in a car. You're telling me that after shoveling the crapload of weird supplies you need for a kid (diapers, snacks, wipes, juice, DVD player and Baby Einstein CD, stuffed toys, etc.) in the car, along with a huge honking car seat, and then driving around with a dribbling, excreting, screaming thing throwing toys and body fluids around, that you "just forget" about it? I call shenanigans. People do this on purpose.


I'm sure that in many if not most cases this is true but a lot of kids fall asleep in the car and sleeping kids are pretty damn quiet and a lot of parents are not generally getting much sleep either.  Forgetting you have a child in your car is something that the vast majority of parents manage to avoid and the parents who don't manage to avoid it have failed, completely but we shouldn't assume that they are all cold blooded murderers either.
 
2014-06-26 06:52:43 AM  

Taxbongo: bindlestiff2600: namatad: MaudlinMutantMollusk: If this is true, this "man" should be burned alive

/the thought of the suffering that child must have gone through infuriates me

nope
death is way too good for people like this
life in prison, no parole, being beaten and raped daily by other inmates, oh yah, that's the one, just punishment for things like this guy

understand your position
still
if you have captured a rabid dog
do you put it down
or place in a cage and poke with sticks

put him down
(mind you if it takes a bit and he screams a lot - ill just quibble about the time its taking)

Besides making us feel better what else does executing people do?

Nothing. It is wrong to take a life. It shows that we are no better than them


Executing scumbags like that saves me tax money. You are obviously anti tax, so why are you so for wasting tax dollars on some scumbag like this to stay in jail for 60  years rather than have a single bullet fix things?
 
2014-06-26 06:53:36 AM  
Scumbag. Put him in handcuffs and leg irons in a hot car and make him go out the same way.
 
2014-06-26 06:53:48 AM  
When I go to work, it's such a collection of habits, that anything out of the ordinary gets my attention. If the daycare is at work....that seems to be something that would be a habit.


As with any sensational incident, lots of wrong information will come out....but this piece is interesting...

"But Pierce told CNN on Friday, "I cannot confirm that the child, as originally reported, was in the car at 9 a.m."

...or if the kid was.....did the guy go out to check during the day? Nope, not dead yet. Check back later.
 
2014-06-26 06:53:56 AM  

Taxbongo: . If someone really wants to be rehabilitated they can be.



What about the ones who don't want to be rehabilitated?  Many criminals, if not most, have narcissistic personality disorder.  They don't "want to be rehabilitated" because they don't think there is anything wrong with them.  I work with criminals all day, every day.  The ones who want to be rehabilitated find a way and they never come back to prison.  The rest of them just learn to be better criminals.
 
2014-06-26 06:55:21 AM  

my lip balm addiction: Taxbongo: bindlestiff2600: namatad: MaudlinMutantMollusk: If this is true, this "man" should be burned alive

/the thought of the suffering that child must have gone through infuriates me

nope
death is way too good for people like this
life in prison, no parole, being beaten and raped daily by other inmates, oh yah, that's the one, just punishment for things like this guy

understand your position
still
if you have captured a rabid dog
do you put it down
or place in a cage and poke with sticks

put him down
(mind you if it takes a bit and he screams a lot - ill just quibble about the time its taking)

Besides making us feel better what else does executing people do?

Nothing. It is wrong to take a life. It shows that we are no better than them

Executing scumbags like that saves me tax money. You are obviously anti tax, so why are you so for wasting tax dollars on some scumbag like this to stay in jail for 60  years rather than have a single bullet fix things?


I am very pro-tax. I was trying to put it in a perspective that you could understand.

And you are right a bullet can fix things. But it comes at a cost: our humanity. Killing our fellow citizens makes us the scumbags.
 
2014-06-26 06:55:29 AM  

Taxbongo: You find out why he is the way he is.


I hate to piss in your petunias, but some people are just pieces of sh*t.  Period.  And the faster we scrape them off of our shoe, the better.  Maybe his mom with him with a stick when he was 7.  Boo my hoo.  He murdered his own flesh and blood and in the most cowardly manner one might conceive of.  You can save him on your dime.  Personally, I'll be happy to pony up for one 30.06 round and a bag of lime.

Taxbongo: Redeeming this man and making him a productive member of society


You mean one more motherfu*ker looking for work in a sh*t economy who practices infanticide on his own son in his spare time?  Yeah, that'll fix the budget deficit.

Taxbongo: makes us look like humans instead of beasts


So, "look at how civilized I am!  I think we should all buy a child murdering, cowardly crap stain lunch every day"?  You do it.  I won't.
 
2014-06-26 06:55:50 AM  
I kinda wish he did this in Texas.
/since they execute their mentally ill.
 
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