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(Gawker)   Remember the story about that father who "forgot" his beloved son in a hot SUV? Turns out he also forgot to delete the browser history after his online research on how long it would take an animal to die if it were trapped in a hot car   (gawker.com) divider line 447
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2014-06-25 11:26:38 PM  
*Jeepers*  Am I right in making the mental leap the guy was trying to kill his son and that would make it premeditated attempted murder right?  Wow,,,,
 
2014-06-26 12:07:06 AM  
My Chevy, my choice.
 
2014-06-26 12:09:49 AM  

Trailltrader: *Jeepers*  Am I right in making the mental leap the guy was trying to kill his son and that would make it premeditated attempted murder right?  Wow,,,,


Nah, I'm sure it was just a coincidence.


/also believes in Chupacabra, Mermaids, and my wife  enjoys my puns
 
2014-06-26 12:16:36 AM  

Trailltrader: *Jeepers*  Am I right in making the mental leap the guy was trying to kill his son and that would make it premeditated attempted murder right?  Wow,,,,


Attempted? He succeeded.
 
2014-06-26 12:20:47 AM  
If this is true, this "man" should be burned alive

/the thought of the suffering that child must have gone through infuriates me
 
2014-06-26 12:24:16 AM  
Wow, I thought charging him with murder was extreme for what looked like an accident. Sad to say I was very wrong.
 
2014-06-26 12:25:14 AM  
Yipes.

That's all I can muster. Just... yipes.
 
2014-06-26 12:37:21 AM  
Every once in a while one of these come along and you wish for eye-for-an-eye punishment.  Lock this guy in his car, in an adult sized car seat, all strapped in for safety. Make sure it in a sunny spot, roll up the windows, lock the doors and walk away. Bye waster of O2
 
2014-06-26 12:47:36 AM  
Is Firefox his preferred browser?
 
2014-06-26 12:50:59 AM  
Holy fark.
 
2014-06-26 12:55:56 AM  

sno man: Every once in a while one of these come along and you wish for eye-for-an-eye punishment.  Lock this guy in his car, in an adult sized car seat, all strapped in for safety. Make sure it in a sunny spot, roll up the windows, lock the doors and walk away. Bye waster of O2


Or, just put him in gen pop in prison, nature will take its course.
 
2014-06-26 01:06:52 AM  

Yaw String: Trailltrader: *Jeepers*  Am I right in making the mental leap the guy was trying to kill his son and that would make it premeditated attempted murder right?  Wow,,,,

Nah, I'm sure it was just a coincidence.


/also believes in Chupacabra, Mermaids, and my wife  enjoys my puns


Chupacabras are real dammit.
 
2014-06-26 01:28:52 AM  

JoieD'Zen: Yaw String: Trailltrader: *Jeepers*  Am I right in making the mental leap the guy was trying to kill his son and that would make it premeditated attempted murder right?  Wow,,,,

Nah, I'm sure it was just a coincidence.


/also believes in Chupacabra, Mermaids, and my wife  enjoys my puns

Chupacabras are real dammit.



i65.photobucket.com
 
2014-06-26 01:56:46 AM  
You gotta be one heartless son of a biatch to kill anyone that way, let alone your kid.  I mean, think about it.  He drove away, knowing his kid was in the process of dying a horrible death.  At any point he could have had second thoughts and tried to back out of it. He let it go on.

That's a lack of empathy and compassion I can't even fathom.
 
2014-06-26 01:58:20 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: If this is true, this "man" should be burned alive

/the thought of the suffering that child must have gone through infuriates me


nope
death is way too good for people like this
life in prison, no parole, being beaten and raped daily by other inmates, oh yah, that's the one, just punishment for things like this guy
 
2014-06-26 02:57:16 AM  
Does he have to return his Father's Day gift?
rlv.zcache.com
 
2014-06-26 03:01:13 AM  

Solid State Vittles: Is Firefox his preferred browser?


Yes. And he also puts ketchup on hot dogs.
 
2014-06-26 04:06:18 AM  
When I first heard this story on the radio, I felt really bad because I had thought of all the times I could have gotten distracted and forgotten my kid in the car on a hot sunny day. Luckily, that never happened. He's 9 now and would give me hell if I tried to leave him in the car.

But now this? I see the pictures of the kid, and I am dying a little inside. I can't imagine the kind of farked up person that father must be for seriously contemplating killing the boy and then going through with it.

An accident, I can understand. And for a couple days I sympathized. Today, all I can muster is anger and hate.
 
2014-06-26 04:31:40 AM  
As the father of a young boy, I can't express how much this disgusts me. I am completely befuddled.

At the very least, the father needs to be castrated, preferably as painfully as possible - with a hot fireplace poker or by pitbull - to ensure that he never reproduces again.
 
2014-06-26 05:00:49 AM  
CSI already did this. Also, it's been too cool to make it clean thus far. It's more an August-September thing in most of the country.

/it's rained each day this summer
//at least in Dallas
 
2014-06-26 05:01:24 AM  
Was the search after the death?

/ Pollyanna I am
 
2014-06-26 05:05:47 AM  
If you're a teacher, I can see losing a kid for awhile. It happens. School is kid jail and some of them actively try to escape when possible. But do you know how long it takes to realize you've mislaid one of dozens of other people's kids? About two minutes tops. Even when they're dressed in the same uniform and you don't even know their names, it's pretty easy to notice a void where a child should be.

No one who "forgets" their kid is worthy of being a parent. Give this guy a bottle of hemlock and 24 hours to do the right thing.
 
2014-06-26 05:08:49 AM  
The rational part of me wants this guy to spend the rest of his life in prison, so he can spend the rest of his days thinking over what he did to his son.

The realist part of me knows this person is heartless and simply doesn't care.  He wouldn't learn a damn thing and is beyond redemption.

The kid in me wants to invent time dilation via gasoline just so I can torch the sonofabiatch and have the agony last a hundred million years.
 
2014-06-26 05:09:48 AM  
It doesn't say if he googled that before or after his son died. If he did it afterwards, he just might have wanted to know how long the kid suffered.

In any case, he should be out of jail soon, since apparently you don't go to prison for raping your 3 year old daughter:

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/04/02/justice/delaware-du-pont-rape-case/ i ndex.html
 
2014-06-26 05:14:22 AM  
Toss him in with the rapists for 10 years, with daily beatings and rapings, then drop him off in the middle of death valley until he dies.

But I'm sure there are those who feel he should be rehabilitated and let back into society.
 
2014-06-26 05:14:59 AM  

Gaylord Fister: It doesn't say if he googled that before or after his son died. If he did it afterwards, he just might have wanted to know how long the kid suffered.

In any case, he should be out of jail soon, since apparently you don't go to prison for raping your 3 year old daughter:

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/04/02/justice/delaware-du-pont-rape-case/ i ndex.html


Oh, goddamnit.

God.  Damn.  It.

I hope the farking payoff that judge got is enough to hide him well enough to spare him the wrath.  He should've been cast down and beaten before.  Doubly so now.  Some things are beyond the farking pale.
 
2014-06-26 05:16:20 AM  
Oops, I forgot to drop my kid off at day care.  Oops, I forgot to pick my kid up from day care.  Oops, I didn't notice my kid in the car while driving for a while?

Why the hell did he pull into some random parking lot on the way home?  Whether he had accidentally or purposefully left him in the car all day, that doesn't make sense.  Either you see a child in your car when you walk up to it, freak out and check on him then, or you go about fabricating your alibi.  Either way this guy is monumentally stupid and should not have bred in the first place.

/Adoption solves such problems more humanely than some other options
 
2014-06-26 05:17:28 AM  

starsrift: Was the search after the death?

/ Pollyanna I am


more like too lazy to RTFA.
 
2014-06-26 05:17:45 AM  
What's the motive?
 
2014-06-26 05:18:16 AM  
Hey -- lets not jump to any conclusions just yet, you know innocent until proven...*Awl who the fark am I kidding*

Break his spine, blind him, put him in complete isolation, and tube feed him. Hell isn't pain -- hell is being paralyzed and given zero stimulation... for the remainder of your life.
 
2014-06-26 05:19:56 AM  
My wife and I decided, for many reasons, to not have kids. I would have glady taken that child, though, and gave him the best shot at a good life.

I might need to turn off the internet. It reminds me that all humanity is not humanity.
 
2014-06-26 05:20:04 AM  

sno man: Every once in a while one of these come along and you wish for eye-for-an-eye punishment.  Lock this guy in his car, in an adult sized car seat, all strapped in for safety. Make sure it in a sunny spot, roll up the windows, lock the doors and walk away. Bye waster of O2


Are there really adult-sized car seats? I think those are just called car seats.
 
2014-06-26 05:20:09 AM  
Please, whats her name down in Florida had internet searches looking for ways to dispose of bodies and partied the entire month her daughter was "missing."
 
2014-06-26 05:24:14 AM  

Gdalescrboz: Please, whats her name down in Florida had internet searches looking for ways to dispose of bodies and partied the entire month her daughter was "missing."


Oh, here we go. Nancy Grace and "tot dad."
 
2014-06-26 05:24:35 AM  
You got to eat them right after you cook them or they go bad
 
2014-06-26 05:28:37 AM  
I'd like to buy this person lunch.  With Clyde Shelton.
 
2014-06-26 05:29:53 AM  

drjekel_mrhyde: You got to eat them right after you cook them or they go bad


http://www.cc.com/video-clips/ycjx32/comedy-central-presents-vote-a- lo t
 
2014-06-26 05:30:41 AM  

stonelotus: starsrift: Was the search after the death?

/ Pollyanna I am

more like too lazy to RTFA.


I did RTFA. And the article doesn't put any kind of timestamp on the search.

Sensationalist journalism likes to do shiat like that.
 
2014-06-26 05:34:03 AM  
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-06-26 05:34:04 AM  

starsrift: stonelotus: starsrift: Was the search after the death?

/ Pollyanna I am

more like too lazy to RTFA.

I did RTFA. And the article doesn't put any kind of timestamp on the search.

Sensationalist journalism likes to do shiat like that.


Did you read headline?
 
2014-06-26 05:40:07 AM  

JohnAnnArbor: starsrift: stonelotus: starsrift: Was the search after the death?

/ Pollyanna I am

more like too lazy to RTFA.

I did RTFA. And the article doesn't put any kind of timestamp on the search.

Sensationalist journalism likes to do shiat like that.

Did you read headline?


Since when is information actually ever in a hea--

-- oh.
 
2014-06-26 05:40:38 AM  

Gaylord Fister: It doesn't say if he googled that before or after his son died. If he did it afterwards, he just might have wanted to know how long the kid suffered.


Yeah, when he did those searches makes a big difference.  The only other thing mentioned in the article is that first responders didn't think his answers "made sense".  He could have just been really shaken up that he accidentally killed his kid.  Plus many first responders are idiots, just like any other group.  I'll wait for better info before sharpening my pitchforks.
 
2014-06-26 05:40:51 AM  

bunner: I'd like to buy this person lunch.  With Clyde Shelton.


That may be too obscure even for Fark. Cool movie though.

This guy....this guy.... If it doesn't take me more than an hour to remember a pack of Funyons I left in my truck, I'd imagine the kid factor cuts that "oh yeah!/Oh Fark!"  time down by about 45 minutes. Not to mention, as he drove back from "daycare" he didn't look in his rear-view mirror the entire time? What a horrible way to die for the kid. I hope they fry this dude.
 
2014-06-26 05:42:22 AM  

JohnAnnArbor: What's the motive?


He wanted to put a meaningful dent in the Capital Punishment Debate among the anti-death penalty crowd
 
2014-06-26 05:43:16 AM  
I'm a very forgetful person, so I was sympathizing with him. I found it plausible that it could have been an honest (very very horrible) mistake. I also thought that prison time was too much and that he would be harder on himself for the rest of his life than any court could ever be.

Then they pulled his work computer. His arms and legs should be shattered and improperly set, then put in prison with rapists and murderers. My wife and I are having trouble getting pregnant, yet farking monsters like this can have kids they neither want nor deserve. fark this planet.

/in school for computer forensics
//this removed any doubts I might want to do something different
 
2014-06-26 05:46:28 AM  

JohnAnnArbor: starsrift: stonelotus: starsrift: Was the search after the death?

/ Pollyanna I am

more like too lazy to RTFA.

I did RTFA. And the article doesn't put any kind of timestamp on the search.

Sensationalist journalism likes to do shiat like that.

Did you read headline?


Neither the short Gawker article or the story Gawker linked to mentioned when the search occurred.   There was no quote or any attribution anywhere claiming it happened before the incident.  That headline could have been written by a random intern.
 
2014-06-26 05:53:05 AM  

Green81: Hey -- lets not jump to any conclusions just yet, you know innocent until proven...*Awl who the fark am I kidding*

Break his spine, blind him, put him in complete isolation, and tube feed him. Hell isn't pain -- hell is being paralyzed and given zero stimulation... for the remainder of your life.


robohobo: Toss him in with the rapists for 10 years, with daily beatings and rapings, then drop him off in the middle of death valley until he dies.

But I'm sure there are those who feel he should be rehabilitated and let back into society.


That bloodthirst makes you no better than him in the first place, even if you haven't killed (yet). Just execute him and remove him from society if he's guilty; society is better served with quick and cheap solutions, there's no point in prolonging it so random angry people can get their jollies from a distance. Turn some torture porn on if you need that.

/I subscribe to the "people can be rehabilitated" idea, but not only do US prisons rarely even attempt that, it's unlikely he's worth the effort anyway.
//First-responders should have double-tapped him.
 
2014-06-26 05:54:35 AM  

JohnAnnArbor: What's the motive?


Kid owed money all over town, including to known pornographers.
 
2014-06-26 05:55:31 AM  
Someone in the police force leaked this detail to the media intentionally.  What sort of bullshiat is this?   How is that in any way appropriate or acceptable?  Whatever this guy did, the person who leaked the details to the press should be fired.

/Way to go tainting the jury pool, genius
 
2014-06-26 05:56:17 AM  
www.morethings.com
 
2014-06-26 05:56:22 AM  

Gdalescrboz: Please, whats her name down in Florida had internet searches looking for ways to dispose of bodies and partied the entire month her daughter was "missing."


His moobs are nowhere near as nice as tot mom's rack.
 
2014-06-26 05:56:46 AM  
As a parent, this ruins my day.
 
2014-06-26 05:57:49 AM  
www.encyclopediaofarkansas.net
 
2014-06-26 05:59:35 AM  

if_i_really_have_to: Someone in the police force leaked this detail to the media intentionally.  What sort of bullshiat is this?   How is that in any way appropriate or acceptable?  Whatever this guy did, the person who leaked the details to the press should be fired.

/Way to go tainting the jury pool, genius


It's also interesting that considering how many farkers are mistrustful of or just plain hate the police, they're lining right up and accepting some vague statements made by an anonymous cop.
 
2014-06-26 06:07:05 AM  
This case reminds me of Susan Smith in SC, when she strapped 2 boys into car seats and watched them drown.
 
2014-06-26 06:08:13 AM  
22 months?

Forgive me, I am unsure of the life cycle of toddlers, but at what age do they begin to speak? I am just curious if the 22 month old was conscience or not of what was happening.
 
2014-06-26 06:08:26 AM  
I believe they also have video of him going to the car on his lunch break, opening the door, putting something inside, and walking away.
 
2014-06-26 06:08:52 AM  

foxyshadis: That bloodthirst makes you no better than him in the first place, even if you haven't killed (yet). Just execute him and remove him from society if he's guilty; society is better served with quick and cheap solutions, there's no point in prolonging it so random angry people can get their jollies from a distance. Turn some torture porn on if you need that.

/I subscribe to the "people can be rehabilitated" idea, but not only do US prisons rarely even attempt that, it's unlikely he's worth the effort anyway.


You're correct about the bloodthirst being vengeance, not justice.

I would have to disagree with the "people can be rehabilitated" notion.  Some people can, others cannot.  Psychiatry and psychology are not exact sciences but they can detect the difference between a personality disorder and a mental illness.  A personality disorder can be treated because the person can intellectually recognize that his behavior is deviant and, difficult though it be, can work to correct it.  The truly mentally ill person may exhibit the same behaviors but is intellectually incapable of recognizing that there is anything wrong.  He may be able to recognize that the same behavior is wrong if somebody else does it but is still incapable of recognizing it as wrong if he does it.  Those people cannot be rehabilitated and must be removed from society in a manner befitting their crime, whether that removal entails a humane execution or permanent incarceration.
 
2014-06-26 06:09:42 AM  
Maybe he was looking that up so he could see how long it would take some other person to die?
 
2014-06-26 06:11:15 AM  

Taxbongo: 22 months?

Forgive me, I am unsure of the life cycle of toddlers, but at what age do they begin to speak? I am just curious if the 22 month old was conscience or not of what was happening.


22 month old kids are walking, talking, and figuring stuff out. They had eaten at a restaurant five minutes away, so the kid was wide awake and probably talking a mile a minute. They are also developing logic and he probably tried very hard to get out of his carseat, but likely lacked the fine motor skills and strength.
 
2014-06-26 06:11:57 AM  

poison_amy: Taxbongo: 22 months?

Forgive me, I am unsure of the life cycle of toddlers, but at what age do they begin to speak? I am just curious if the 22 month old was conscience or not of what was happening.

22 month old kids are walking, talking, and figuring stuff out. They had eaten at a restaurant five minutes away, so the kid was wide awake and probably talking a mile a minute. They are also developing logic and he probably tried very hard to get out of his carseat, but likely lacked the fine motor skills and strength.


damn
 
2014-06-26 06:12:02 AM  

namatad: MaudlinMutantMollusk: If this is true, this "man" should be burned alive

/the thought of the suffering that child must have gone through infuriates me

nope
death is way too good for people like this
life in prison, no parole, being beaten and raped daily by other inmates, oh yah, that's the one, just punishment for things like this guy


understand your position
still
if you have captured a rabid dog
do you put it down
or place in a cage and poke with sticks

put him down
(mind you if it takes a bit and he screams a lot - ill just quibble about the time its taking)
 
2014-06-26 06:16:03 AM  

mcnguyen: Gaylord Fister: It doesn't say if he googled that before or after his son died. If he did it afterwards, he just might have wanted to know how long the kid suffered.

Yeah, when he did those searches makes a big difference.  The only other thing mentioned in the article is that first responders didn't think his answers "made sense".  He could have just been really shaken up that he accidentally killed his kid.  Plus many first responders are idiots, just like any other group.  I'll wait for better info before sharpening my pitchforks.


Sometimes, you can just tell when a person is lying. First responders have experience with panicking, shaken up people. They have some idea about the range of reactions. Another thing mentioned in the article: it was his work's on-site daycare. Which sort of indicates that dropping off kid and picking up kid would be an every day thing, not a shared duty, which drops the likelihood of forgetting considerably. Maybe the question was asked, "Who put the kid in the car this morning?" at which point his play-acting body language went from detectable to obvious. Speculation, of course.

Personally, I'm ready with the pitchforks even if it was an accident (doubt it). That's not the sort of accident that careful parents have. You don't forget your kid. Especially not a toddler, whose existence shapes most of your waking moments outside of work. Doesn't. Happen.
 
2014-06-26 06:16:04 AM  
Did anyone actually think it was an accident when they first heard the story?
I'm surprised he never mentioned some dark skinned men forcibly closing the doors to his car and gave him an amnesia drug that lasted for 7 hours.

That's some extra bad murder shiat.
 
2014-06-26 06:17:30 AM  

bindlestiff2600: namatad: MaudlinMutantMollusk: If this is true, this "man" should be burned alive

/the thought of the suffering that child must have gone through infuriates me

nope
death is way too good for people like this
life in prison, no parole, being beaten and raped daily by other inmates, oh yah, that's the one, just punishment for things like this guy

understand your position
still
if you have captured a rabid dog
do you put it down
or place in a cage and poke with sticks

put him down
(mind you if it takes a bit and he screams a lot - ill just quibble about the time its taking)


Besides making us feel better what else does executing people do?

Nothing. It is wrong to take a life. It shows that we are no better than them
 
2014-06-26 06:17:47 AM  
I know someone who's gonna be getting tossed over the rails in prison, and kudos to whoever does it to this subhuman waste of sperm and egg. WTF kind of monster does this to ANY kid, much less their own?!?! I'll just take a wild guess and say he's just vile on a biological level.
 
2014-06-26 06:19:16 AM  
It's going to play out that the guy has another woman, wanted a divorce but didn't want to pay child support. These usually look like tragic accidents but every now and then the "kid in the hot car" just looks way too convenient... Like the family who "forgot" their disabled special needs kid who was like nine. In their own driveway.
 
2014-06-26 06:19:30 AM  
He did the search from his work computer. I hate people who are goofing off all day on their computer when they should be doing work instead.
 
2014-06-26 06:19:46 AM  

kling_klang_bed: I know someone who's gonna be getting tossed over the rails in prison, and kudos to whoever does it to this subhuman waste of sperm and egg. WTF kind of monster does this to ANY kid, much less their own?!?! I'll just take a wild guess and say he's just vile on a biological level.


Taking pleasure in death even when you feel it is warranted is sick. We are better than this.
 
2014-06-26 06:21:26 AM  

Taxbongo: Besides making us feel better what else does executing people do?


Executions don't make you feel good.

They do prevent recidivism, though.
 
2014-06-26 06:22:00 AM  

Two Dogs Farking: As the father of a young boy, I can't express how much this disgusts me. I am completely befuddled.

At the very least, the father needs to be castrated, preferably as painfully as possible - with a hot fireplace poker or by pitbull - to ensure that he never reproduces again.


I'm thinking cheese grater or mandolin slicer.
 
2014-06-26 06:22:17 AM  
clatl.com
Goergia is a death penalty states.
 
2014-06-26 06:22:29 AM  
I have just always assumed that the phenomenon of the "l'il sizzler," whereby a parent "accidentally forgets" their kid in a hot car, then looks appropriately glum and remorseful, followed by a DA not bringing charges against them because they've "suffered enough already" is nothing more than a unofficially socially acceptable method of postnatal abortion. I just assumed there was some unspoken rule amongst people with kids that if you want to get rid of your squalling crotchspawn, pulling a l'il sizzler was the way to do it.

Because I still can't figure out--even after reading Gene Weingarten's Pulitzer-winning article about it--how in the fark anyone can forget a kid in a car. You're telling me that after shoveling the crapload of weird supplies you need for a kid (diapers, snacks, wipes, juice, DVD player and Baby Einstein CD, stuffed toys, etc.) in the car, along with a huge honking car seat, and then driving around with a dribbling, excreting, screaming thing throwing toys and body fluids around, that you "just forget" about it? I call shenanigans. People do this on purpose.
 
2014-06-26 06:22:31 AM  

Taxbongo: 22 months?

Forgive me, I am unsure of the life cycle of toddlers, but at what age do they begin to speak? I am just curious if the 22 month old was conscience or not of what was happening.


Roughly a well used Furby in intelligence.
 
2014-06-26 06:22:57 AM  

Taxbongo: 22 months?

Forgive me, I am unsure of the life cycle of toddlers, but at what age do they begin to speak? I am just curious if the 22 month old was conscience or not of what was happening.


At 22 months old they speak toddler-ese, using one and two word "sentences". Parents and caregivers are able to translate that fairly well. To outsiders it is usually a mystery. At two years old, a child is just starting to get smarter than the family dog. He probably knew that it felt really bad until he passed out. No concept of why or what the consequence would be of no help coming.
 
2014-06-26 06:23:27 AM  

doglover: Taxbongo: Besides making us feel better what else does executing people do?

Executions don't make you feel good.

They do prevent recidivism, though.


So does locking them up until they are no longer a threat
 
2014-06-26 06:24:03 AM  

Taxbongo: kling_klang_bed: I know someone who's gonna be getting tossed over the rails in prison, and kudos to whoever does it to this subhuman waste of sperm and egg. WTF kind of monster does this to ANY kid, much less their own?!?! I'll just take a wild guess and say he's just vile on a biological level.

Taking pleasure in death even when you feel it is warranted is sick. We are better than this.


Fair enough. May he have a long, horrifying existence riddled with constant pain, terror and fear.
 
2014-06-26 06:25:04 AM  

Taxbongo: bindlestiff2600: namatad: MaudlinMutantMollusk: If this is true, this "man" should be burned alive

/the thought of the suffering that child must have gone through infuriates me

nope
death is way too good for people like this
life in prison, no parole, being beaten and raped daily by other inmates, oh yah, that's the one, just punishment for things like this guy

understand your position
still
if you have captured a rabid dog
do you put it down
or place in a cage and poke with sticks

put him down
(mind you if it takes a bit and he screams a lot - ill just quibble about the time its taking)

Besides making us feel better what else does executing people do?

Nothing. It is wrong to take a life. It shows that we are no better than them


Well, it also ensures that they won't be killing anyone else. Now you will probably say that being locked away in prison does that, but people kill each other and guards all the time.

/not really pro-death penalty, per se
 
2014-06-26 06:28:09 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: the thought of the suffering that child must have gone through infuriates me


For what little it's worth from what I understand the heat causes unconsciousness pretty quickly. It's uncomfortable, but the suffering is not great. So, at least there's that. :/

As to this asshole...SMH. I wonder if he was doing it for life insurance or because he didn't want to eventually pay child support or what. I just...can't fathom it. Bet he suicides in jail the worthless piece of shiat.
 
2014-06-26 06:28:55 AM  

Taxbongo: So does locking them up until they are no longer a threat


That costs money.  A lot of it.  F*ck that.  If we're gonna live in a society that sucks money's dick, and that can not make the connection between a tax funded medicine model and a robust citizenry, we can throw pieces of trash like this away.  And as far as a chemical cocktail, ammo is about 34¢ a round.  When a dog goes rabid, you put it down.
 
2014-06-26 06:29:37 AM  
Play him off Hanover Fiste
 
2014-06-26 06:30:46 AM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: I have just always assumed that the phenomenon of the "l'il sizzler," whereby a parent "accidentally forgets" their kid in a hot car, then looks appropriately glum and remorseful, followed by a DA not bringing charges against them because they've "suffered enough already" is nothing more than a unofficially socially acceptable method of postnatal abortion. I just assumed there was some unspoken rule amongst people with kids that if you want to get rid of your squalling crotchspawn, pulling a l'il sizzler was the way to do it.

Because I still can't figure out--even after reading Gene Weingarten's Pulitzer-winning article about it--how in the fark anyone can forget a kid in a car. You're telling me that after shoveling the crapload of weird supplies you need for a kid (diapers, snacks, wipes, juice, DVD player and Baby Einstein CD, stuffed toys, etc.) in the car, along with a huge honking car seat, and then driving around with a dribbling, excreting, screaming thing throwing toys and body fluids around, that you "just forget" about it? I call shenanigans. People do this on purpose.


Yup.  It's been a long time since my children were little but I've had the great good fortune of being able to take care of all of my grandchildren at some point or other, starting when they were very young.  You never forget that they're around, whether in a vehicle or in your home.  It's always on your mind.  I'm normally a sound sleeper, but let a grandbaby be staying at Papa's house overnight and a pin drop will wake me up - just in case there's a problem.  A normal person does not ever lose track of a helpless, totally dependent child.
 
2014-06-26 06:32:44 AM  
IIRC,  they are saying he placed the child in a rear-facing child seat. That makes no sense to me. As a mother and a grandmother who has done my share of buckling kids into the car,  I am sure that  well before that age (22 months) that child should have been in a seat that faces forward. Why would he do that? So he can later claim he couldn't see the boy in his rear-view mirror?

/speculation is all I've got
//sad
 
2014-06-26 06:33:47 AM  

E5bie: mcnguyen: Gaylord Fister: It doesn't say if he googled that before or after his son died. If he did it afterwards, he just might have wanted to know how long the kid suffered.

Yeah, when he did those searches makes a big difference.  The only other thing mentioned in the article is that first responders didn't think his answers "made sense".  He could have just been really shaken up that he accidentally killed his kid.  Plus many first responders are idiots, just like any other group.  I'll wait for better info before sharpening my pitchforks.

Sometimes, you can just tell when a person is lying. First responders have experience with panicking, shaken up people. They have some idea about the range of reactions. Another thing mentioned in the article: it was his work's on-site daycare. Which sort of indicates that dropping off kid and picking up kid would be an every day thing, not a shared duty, which drops the likelihood of forgetting considerably. Maybe the question was asked, "Who put the kid in the car this morning?" at which point his play-acting body language went from detectable to obvious. Speculation, of course.

Personally, I'm ready with the pitchforks even if it was an accident (doubt it). That's not the sort of accident that careful parents have. You don't forget your kid. Especially not a toddler, whose existence shapes most of your waking moments outside of work. Doesn't. Happen.



marcellusdrilling.com
Hold on; gotta sharpen mine and I'll go with you.
 
2014-06-26 06:38:55 AM  

Trailltrader: *Jeepers*  Am I right in making the mental leap the guy was trying to kill his son and that would make it premeditated attempted murder right?  Wow,,,,


I can only answer for myself. My son was born when I was young enough to be classified as 'young and foolish'. There wasn't a chance in the world he ever went from my sight or was left alone. Especially at that age. I'll admit my greatest fear was the sick folk who abduct small children. Whatever the fear, I feel relatively certain in saying no parent just 'forgets' the kid is in the car with them.

I just cannot wrap my head around forgetting your toddler.

I know - innocent until proven guilty. Just saying his story seems impossible to me.
 
2014-06-26 06:40:10 AM  

JohnAnnArbor: What's the motive?


I suspect divorce, reduced custody, child support payment issues, ex-wife or gf remarried.etc. Dad decides "If I can't spend all the time I want with him, neither can you". There is a lot of that going around.
 
2014-06-26 06:41:59 AM  

bunner: Taxbongo: So does locking them up until they are no longer a threat

That costs money.  A lot of it.  F*ck that.  If we're gonna live in a society that sucks money's dick, and that can not make the connection between a tax funded medicine model and a robust citizenry, we can throw pieces of trash like this away.  And as far as a chemical cocktail, ammo is about 34¢ a round.  When a dog goes rabid, you put it down.


Everything is resource intensive. People go for decades on death row just waiting and doing nothing but costing us a lot of money. If you wanted the cheapest route that would be rehabilitation.
 
2014-06-26 06:42:16 AM  
I really want to know what Dad was doing when he opened the car door at lunch time.  Checking to see if the kid was dead?  Making sure it was heating up in there?
 
2014-06-26 06:43:21 AM  

Taxbongo: doglover: Taxbongo: Besides making us feel better what else does executing people do?

Executions don't make you feel good.

They do prevent recidivism, though.

So does locking them up until they are no longer a threat


No it doesn't.

In fact, it encourages worse behavior in the jail.
 
2014-06-26 06:44:52 AM  

phenn: Just saying his story seems impossible to me.


thinkingmomsrevolution.com

I'm sure that his attorney is mounting a credible defense to convince 12 citizens, good and true that despite the waddling and quacking
 
2014-06-26 06:45:07 AM  
Taxbongo:  If you wanted the cheapest route that would be rehabilitation.

How do you go about rehabilitating this?  At what point can you say "nope, this guy will definitely never leave a kid to sizzle in his car again."

How do you fix that kind of mental depravity?
 
2014-06-26 06:45:33 AM  

Taxbongo: If you wanted the cheapest route that would be rehabilitation.


Not really.
 
2014-06-26 06:47:41 AM  
And frankly, everybody shilling to "save the poor, misguided dirtbags" can get back to me when the last hungry child is fed and there's a surplus that allows for trying to spray perfume on excrement.
 
2014-06-26 06:47:42 AM  

poison_amy: Taxbongo:  If you wanted the cheapest route that would be rehabilitation.

How do you go about rehabilitating this?  At what point can you say "nope, this guy will definitely never leave a kid to sizzle in his car again."

How do you fix that kind of mental depravity?


You find out why he is the way he is. If someone really wants to be rehabilitated they can be. It is all about what conservatives call "discipline". Redeeming this man and making him a productive member of society benefits   the tax payers and makes us look like humans instead of beasts
 
2014-06-26 06:51:11 AM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: I have just always assumed that the phenomenon of the "l'il sizzler," whereby a parent "accidentally forgets" their kid in a hot car, then looks appropriately glum and remorseful, followed by a DA not bringing charges against them because they've "suffered enough already" is nothing more than a unofficially socially acceptable method of postnatal abortion. I just assumed there was some unspoken rule amongst people with kids that if you want to get rid of your squalling crotchspawn, pulling a l'il sizzler was the way to do it.

Because I still can't figure out--even after reading Gene Weingarten's Pulitzer-winning article about it--how in the fark anyone can forget a kid in a car. You're telling me that after shoveling the crapload of weird supplies you need for a kid (diapers, snacks, wipes, juice, DVD player and Baby Einstein CD, stuffed toys, etc.) in the car, along with a huge honking car seat, and then driving around with a dribbling, excreting, screaming thing throwing toys and body fluids around, that you "just forget" about it? I call shenanigans. People do this on purpose.


I'm sure that in many if not most cases this is true but a lot of kids fall asleep in the car and sleeping kids are pretty damn quiet and a lot of parents are not generally getting much sleep either.  Forgetting you have a child in your car is something that the vast majority of parents manage to avoid and the parents who don't manage to avoid it have failed, completely but we shouldn't assume that they are all cold blooded murderers either.
 
2014-06-26 06:52:43 AM  

Taxbongo: bindlestiff2600: namatad: MaudlinMutantMollusk: If this is true, this "man" should be burned alive

/the thought of the suffering that child must have gone through infuriates me

nope
death is way too good for people like this
life in prison, no parole, being beaten and raped daily by other inmates, oh yah, that's the one, just punishment for things like this guy

understand your position
still
if you have captured a rabid dog
do you put it down
or place in a cage and poke with sticks

put him down
(mind you if it takes a bit and he screams a lot - ill just quibble about the time its taking)

Besides making us feel better what else does executing people do?

Nothing. It is wrong to take a life. It shows that we are no better than them


Executing scumbags like that saves me tax money. You are obviously anti tax, so why are you so for wasting tax dollars on some scumbag like this to stay in jail for 60  years rather than have a single bullet fix things?
 
2014-06-26 06:53:36 AM  
Scumbag. Put him in handcuffs and leg irons in a hot car and make him go out the same way.
 
2014-06-26 06:53:48 AM  
When I go to work, it's such a collection of habits, that anything out of the ordinary gets my attention. If the daycare is at work....that seems to be something that would be a habit.


As with any sensational incident, lots of wrong information will come out....but this piece is interesting...

"But Pierce told CNN on Friday, "I cannot confirm that the child, as originally reported, was in the car at 9 a.m."

...or if the kid was.....did the guy go out to check during the day? Nope, not dead yet. Check back later.
 
2014-06-26 06:53:56 AM  

Taxbongo: . If someone really wants to be rehabilitated they can be.



What about the ones who don't want to be rehabilitated?  Many criminals, if not most, have narcissistic personality disorder.  They don't "want to be rehabilitated" because they don't think there is anything wrong with them.  I work with criminals all day, every day.  The ones who want to be rehabilitated find a way and they never come back to prison.  The rest of them just learn to be better criminals.
 
2014-06-26 06:55:21 AM  

my lip balm addiction: Taxbongo: bindlestiff2600: namatad: MaudlinMutantMollusk: If this is true, this "man" should be burned alive

/the thought of the suffering that child must have gone through infuriates me

nope
death is way too good for people like this
life in prison, no parole, being beaten and raped daily by other inmates, oh yah, that's the one, just punishment for things like this guy

understand your position
still
if you have captured a rabid dog
do you put it down
or place in a cage and poke with sticks

put him down
(mind you if it takes a bit and he screams a lot - ill just quibble about the time its taking)

Besides making us feel better what else does executing people do?

Nothing. It is wrong to take a life. It shows that we are no better than them

Executing scumbags like that saves me tax money. You are obviously anti tax, so why are you so for wasting tax dollars on some scumbag like this to stay in jail for 60  years rather than have a single bullet fix things?


I am very pro-tax. I was trying to put it in a perspective that you could understand.

And you are right a bullet can fix things. But it comes at a cost: our humanity. Killing our fellow citizens makes us the scumbags.
 
2014-06-26 06:55:29 AM  

Taxbongo: You find out why he is the way he is.


I hate to piss in your petunias, but some people are just pieces of sh*t.  Period.  And the faster we scrape them off of our shoe, the better.  Maybe his mom with him with a stick when he was 7.  Boo my hoo.  He murdered his own flesh and blood and in the most cowardly manner one might conceive of.  You can save him on your dime.  Personally, I'll be happy to pony up for one 30.06 round and a bag of lime.

Taxbongo: Redeeming this man and making him a productive member of society


You mean one more motherfu*ker looking for work in a sh*t economy who practices infanticide on his own son in his spare time?  Yeah, that'll fix the budget deficit.

Taxbongo: makes us look like humans instead of beasts


So, "look at how civilized I am!  I think we should all buy a child murdering, cowardly crap stain lunch every day"?  You do it.  I won't.
 
2014-06-26 06:55:50 AM  
I kinda wish he did this in Texas.
/since they execute their mentally ill.
 
2014-06-26 06:56:21 AM  

poison_amy: Taxbongo: . If someone really wants to be rehabilitated they can be.


What about the ones who don't want to be rehabilitated?  Many criminals, if not most, have narcissistic personality disorder.  They don't "want to be rehabilitated" because they don't think there is anything wrong with them.  I work with criminals all day, every day.  The ones who want to be rehabilitated find a way and they never come back to prison.  The rest of them just learn to be better criminals.


Then we keep them in jail away from the community

It is never right for us to take a life out of spite.
 
2014-06-26 06:56:49 AM  
hit him with
 
2014-06-26 06:58:15 AM  

Taxbongo: It is never right for us to take a life out of spite.


:  /

:  |


Um..

No.
 
2014-06-26 06:59:15 AM  

Taxbongo: bunner: Taxbongo: So does locking them up until they are no longer a threat

That costs money.  A lot of it.  F*ck that.  If we're gonna live in a society that sucks money's dick, and that can not make the connection between a tax funded medicine model and a robust citizenry, we can throw pieces of trash like this away.  And as far as a chemical cocktail, ammo is about 34¢ a round.  When a dog goes rabid, you put it down.

Everything is resource intensive. People go for decades on death row just waiting and doing nothing but costing us a lot of money. If you wanted the cheapest route that would be rehabilitation.


So we fix Capital punishment and put some farking teeth in it. The law I have always wanted to see (and in all other cases I am more liberal than you so don't even start) is this: If you are convicted of a capital crime, you have 3 appeals maximum, and they are to be within a 2 year period. If after 4 total trials you cannot prove your innocence, you have 30 days to live. Period. Saves money, makes sense, rids the world of scum.

Put that law out there and I will back it every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
 
2014-06-26 06:59:48 AM  
Damn, that's f'd up enough to make Gandhi and Mother Teresa team up to torture and kill this guy
 
2014-06-26 07:02:06 AM  
Taxbongo:
 spite.


I do not think this means what you think it means.
 
2014-06-26 07:04:13 AM  

my lip balm addiction: Taxbongo: bunner: Taxbongo: So does locking them up until they are no longer a threat

That costs money.  A lot of it.  F*ck that.  If we're gonna live in a society that sucks money's dick, and that can not make the connection between a tax funded medicine model and a robust citizenry, we can throw pieces of trash like this away.  And as far as a chemical cocktail, ammo is about 34¢ a round.  When a dog goes rabid, you put it down.

Everything is resource intensive. People go for decades on death row just waiting and doing nothing but costing us a lot of money. If you wanted the cheapest route that would be rehabilitation.

So we fix Capital punishment and put some farking teeth in it. The law I have always wanted to see (and in all other cases I am more liberal than you so don't even start) is this: If you are convicted of a capital crime, you have 3 appeals maximum, and they are to be within a 2 year period. If after 4 total trials you cannot prove your innocence, you have 30 days to live. Period. Saves money, makes sense, rids the world of scum.

Put that law out there and I will back it every day of the week and twice on Sunday.


Your right. You are more Liberal than I. I just happen to be more Progressive than you.

Capital punishment is barbaric this day in age. I am not going to apply our moral standards to our ancestors as it was a different time. Indeed it is a different time and you are on the minority. Capital punishment is wrong and it will be repealed.
 
2014-06-26 07:04:49 AM  

Taxbongo: poison_amy: Taxbongo: . If someone really wants to be rehabilitated they can be.


What about the ones who don't want to be rehabilitated?  Many criminals, if not most, have narcissistic personality disorder.  They don't "want to be rehabilitated" because they don't think there is anything wrong with them.  I work with criminals all day, every day.  The ones who want to be rehabilitated find a way and they never come back to prison.  The rest of them just learn to be better criminals.

Then we keep them in jail away from the community

It is never right for us to take a life out of spite.


In your world. And who says it is "for spite" except true bleeding hearst like you?

In my reality based one, taking the life of someone like that after they have been convicted just needs to be speeded up. Put a fast lane on the Capital punishment drive through.

I do not have the want for them to sit in jail forever, possibly being raped and hurt, more probably reading books and making new friends. They do not deserve a shred of compassion. Your level of over-compassion is actually unbecoming. Sometimes you just need to put a dog down.

/human life is not sacred
 
2014-06-26 07:05:26 AM  

my lip balm addiction: Taxbongo: bunner: Taxbongo: So does locking them up until they are no longer a threat

That costs money.  A lot of it.  F*ck that.  If we're gonna live in a society that sucks money's dick, and that can not make the connection between a tax funded medicine model and a robust citizenry, we can throw pieces of trash like this away.  And as far as a chemical cocktail, ammo is about 34¢ a round.  When a dog goes rabid, you put it down.

Everything is resource intensive. People go for decades on death row just waiting and doing nothing but costing us a lot of money. If you wanted the cheapest route that would be rehabilitation.

So we fix Capital punishment and put some farking teeth in it. The law I have always wanted to see (and in all other cases I am more liberal than you so don't even start) is this: If you are convicted of a capital crime, you have 3 appeals maximum, and they are to be within a 2 year period. If after 4 total trials you cannot prove your innocence, you have 30 days to live. Period. Saves money, makes sense, rids the world of scum.

Put that law out there and I will back it every day of the week and twice on Sunday.


You forget that in America you can buy your way out of killing your neighbor, chopping up his body, dumping it in the ocean, and fleeing the state.

Our legal system is too crap for mere conviction to be proof.

What we need is a third party organization to counter-check the claims of both prosecution and defense.
 
2014-06-26 07:06:56 AM  

doglover: my lip balm addiction: Taxbongo: bunner: Taxbongo: So does locking them up until they are no longer a threat

That costs money.  A lot of it.  F*ck that.  If we're gonna live in a society that sucks money's dick, and that can not make the connection between a tax funded medicine model and a robust citizenry, we can throw pieces of trash like this away.  And as far as a chemical cocktail, ammo is about 34¢ a round.  When a dog goes rabid, you put it down.

Everything is resource intensive. People go for decades on death row just waiting and doing nothing but costing us a lot of money. If you wanted the cheapest route that would be rehabilitation.

So we fix Capital punishment and put some farking teeth in it. The law I have always wanted to see (and in all other cases I am more liberal than you so don't even start) is this: If you are convicted of a capital crime, you have 3 appeals maximum, and they are to be within a 2 year period. If after 4 total trials you cannot prove your innocence, you have 30 days to live. Period. Saves money, makes sense, rids the world of scum.

Put that law out there and I will back it every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

You forget that in America you can buy your way out of killing your neighbor, chopping up his body, dumping it in the ocean, and fleeing the state.

Our legal system is too crap for mere conviction to be proof.

What we need is a third party organization to counter-check the claims of both prosecution and defense.


They call those "juries"
 
2014-06-26 07:07:22 AM  

drjekel_mrhyde: I kinda wish he did this in Texas.
/since they execute their mentally ill.


It's been too cool tgis summer.
 
2014-06-26 07:08:18 AM  

my lip balm addiction: So we fix Capital punishment and put some farking teeth in it.


Mon. 3:00 P.M. - "We hereby sentence you to death by execution by the state."

Tues. 7:00 A.M. - "Good morning, criminal.    Here is the meal you ordered.  Enjoy."

Tues. 9:30 A.M. - "OK, on your feet.  This is televised, btw!"

Tues. 9:41 A.M. *BANG*
 
2014-06-26 07:10:16 AM  

bunner: my lip balm addiction: So we fix Capital punishment and put some farking teeth in it.

Mon. 3:00 P.M. - "We hereby sentence you to death by execution by the state."

Tues. 7:00 A.M. - "Good morning, criminal.    Here is the meal you ordered.  Enjoy."

Tues. 9:30 A.M. - "OK, on your feet.  This is televised, btw!"

Tues. 9:41 A.M. *BANG*


BORING.

/changes channel
 
2014-06-26 07:11:23 AM  
I've been watching CNN just now.  This story an others like the missing child found in the basement.

This all seems like fake news.  This is all fake I think.

Do not trust the mainstream news. It is full of shiat.
 
2014-06-26 07:12:27 AM  

ElLoco: ORING.

/changes channel


Oh, look a.. forum   critic?   :  /  Works for me, Erato.
 
2014-06-26 07:12:40 AM  

metaskie: His arms and legs should be shattered and improperly set, then put in prison with rapists and murderers.


Sure, but then where should we put the other parts of his body?
 
2014-06-26 07:20:55 AM  

MagSeven: bunner: I'd like to buy this person lunch.  With Clyde Shelton.

That may be too obscure even for Fark. Cool movie though.

This guy....this guy.... If it doesn't take me more than an hour to remember a pack of Funyons I left in my truck, I'd imagine the kid factor cuts that "oh yeah!/Oh Fark!"  time down by about 45 minutes. Not to mention, as he drove back from "daycare" he didn't look in his rear-view mirror the entire time? What a horrible way to die for the kid. I hope they fry this dude.


The guy is completely full of shiat.  There is no way he wouldn't have noticed his kid in the back seat.

Fry the motherfarker.
 
2014-06-26 07:21:18 AM  
If I were a god, I would create a hell just for this asshole.
 
2014-06-26 07:23:06 AM  
Hardly anything in this farked up world truly shocks me any more, but this did.
 
2014-06-26 07:24:19 AM  

Taxbongo: They call those "juries"


People who pass voir dire are ineligible for meaningful jury duty. Think about it. One side or the other thinks they'll be sympathetic to their case.

Thus, juries as they are already fail systematically. Add in all the special protections prosecutors enjoy and the underfunded defense lawyers and all the BS laws 200+ years of Republicans and Democrats pandering for votes?

America's legal system is worse than Westeros'.
 
2014-06-26 07:24:48 AM  
As for all the psychologists who make a tidy sum stumping to turn slimy SOB's like this into lab rats instead of mulch, you do so because you chose to study this sort of sick f*ck and, frankly, unless you have no conscience whatsoever, you do so because you have a morbid fascination with such trash.  Which puts you about 2 MMPPI graph aberrations on the side of the bars without the toilet.  And you get paid for it.  Sort of like cops and thugs.  And yet, for all this fine toothed combing of slimy, remorseless, clinical narcissists, we still seem to have no dearth of them.
 
2014-06-26 07:28:10 AM  
He'll probably still claim the child as a dependent this year on his taxes.
Put him in a car and burn it.
 
2014-06-26 07:28:32 AM  
When this story first broke (local news to me) I was not about to pass judgement.  I had just read a Pulitzer Prize winning article on the subject (long but very good read)  and those that make this mistake honestly live with awful guilt the rest of their lives.

To do it on purpose is unfathomably cruel.
 
2014-06-26 07:30:52 AM  
People search for info for all sorts of things online just out if curiosity - how many if you googled pressure cookers or cobalt-60 after various events earlier this year.

This is definitely a reason to do more investigation but if hope there was additional evidence before they send someone to prison for the rest of his life.

That said - if he did do it then the Ramsey Snow treatment would be too good for him.
 
2014-06-26 07:31:11 AM  
Ugh. That's just terrible if true. Story is awful anyway but if e did it on purpose it exponentially increases the awfulness.
 
2014-06-26 07:31:14 AM  
I'll never forget when I woke up from an afternoon nap, and I thought that I had left him in the car.  I ran out in my boxers screaming NO NO NO NO NO!!!

Then I saw the car was empty and that I was just being an idiot and that he was at his Mom's.

As I walked out my secondary objective was to note where the AK variant was and that all I had were hollow points and that it'd probably make a big mess and to do it in the bathtub and also to leave the door unlocked for the police and ambulance.  Run on sentence on purpose.

I'm not sure how to understand people when people are generally farking disgusting.
 
2014-06-26 07:31:48 AM  

doglover: People who pass voir dire are ineligible for meaningful jury duty. Think about it. One side or the other thinks they'll be sympathetic to their case.


Bullsh*t.

/but at least consistent bullsh*t....
 
2014-06-26 07:32:47 AM  

Green81: He wanted to put a meaningful dent in the Capital Punishment Debate among the anti-death penalty crowd


Not often I say this, but I'm glad Georgia is a death penalty state. Strap in Justin and let the sparks fly.
/gas is ok too.
 
2014-06-26 07:34:30 AM  
As soon as I saw it was in Cobb County, GA, I thought of this:
www.wwe.com
That guy should be serving "Hard Times".
 
2014-06-26 07:36:33 AM  
from the comments:


I donated money to the KFC girl. And I signed the petition arguing that murder charges be dropped against this guy. Evidently I'm just the biggest farking idiot on the Internet.

No, not the biggest. But one of the biggest.
Probably top 20.
 
2014-06-26 07:36:48 AM  
A kid that age would have soiled his diaper by the time the dad went back to his car. The smell would have been overpowering in that heat. Even if he didn't notice at lunch, he didn't immediately notice at the end of the day? (he drove two miles before stopping in the parking lot).
 
2014-06-26 07:36:51 AM  

Target Builder: People search for info for all sorts of things online just out if curiosity - how many if you googled pressure cookers or cobalt-60 after various events earlier this year.


3.bp.blogspot.com
"Man googles for how long it would take to suffocate a small animal in a hot car."
        Soon after, his infant son suffocates in a hot car.   You can't explain that"


Actually, I can.
 
2014-06-26 07:41:53 AM  

EggSniper: Why the hell did he pull into some random parking lot on the way home? Whether he had accidentally or purposefully left him in the car all day, that doesn't make sense. Either you see a child in your car when you walk up to it, freak out and check on him then, or you go about fabricating your alibi. Either way this guy is monumentally stupid and should not have bred in the first place.


I've been following this story in the Daily Fail, you know, the paper with all the big photos and sometimes a story, and it sounds like he pulled over like that because he wanted to put on a show about how distraught he was about his son, in front of lots of witnesses. But he wasn't consistent...a couple of the witnesses said that at first he said that the kid was choking, and he'd stopped in a hurry to try to help him. But of course the child was long dead. And that he was saying all kinds of crazy stuff that didn't make sense. Not just like he was crazed with grief, but he didn't make any sense when he was raving about what happened to his son. The first responders said the same thing.

Also, the police said that there was evidence that he'd been out to his car at lunchtime and put something in the car. Umm.....yeah, if this is true.....
They're not really saying much about this case, so I think there's a lot more, but the fact that they charged him with murder right away means that they think they have something pretty good. So there's probably a lot more that hasn't come out, and maybe won't. The SUV has dark-tinted windows, so no one probably would have noticed the poor kid while it was parked.

So we'll see. I tend to think that he did this. The cops seemed sure of themselves right from the get-go. And he did the search for the dying dog stuff from his work computer. Don't know when that was, but I assume he hasn't been at work since this happened, so......and here's the poor kid.

i.dailymail.co.uk
 
2014-06-26 07:43:39 AM  

Taxbongo: You find out why he is the way he is. If someone really wants to be rehabilitated they can be. It is all about what conservatives call "discipline". Redeeming this man and making him a productive member of society benefits   the tax payers and makes us look like humans instead of beasts


"I thought I could change him....." said no abused woman ever

If you could have this guy "rehabilitated" would you be OK with the state mandating that he is your childcare provider?
How about convicted rapists/abuser/murderer?... Would you let them be your wife/daughter/mother/son's personal assistant?
 
2014-06-26 07:45:39 AM  
seriable.com
 
2014-06-26 07:46:54 AM  
Either way the guy should be put to sleep.
 
2014-06-26 07:47:00 AM  

Aero_70: Taxbongo: You find out why he is the way he is. If someone really wants to be rehabilitated they can be. It is all about what conservatives call "discipline". Redeeming this man and making him a productive member of society benefits   the tax payers and makes us look like humans instead of beasts

"I thought I could change him....." said no abused woman ever

If you could have this guy "rehabilitated" would you be OK with the state mandating that he is your childcare provider?
How about convicted rapists/abuser/murderer?... Would you let them be your wife/daughter/mother/son's personal assistant?


Most ostentatiously pious "progressives" are pretty NIMBY, as a rule.  "I want to save the world within 500' of me because I'm better than you." In other words, this dame.

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2014-06-26 07:47:30 AM  

JohnAnnArbor: What's the motive?


Obviously the kid was a dick.
 
2014-06-26 07:47:34 AM  

Boloxor the Insipid: I'm a paranoid dunce.


FTFY
 
2014-06-26 07:48:24 AM  

Mr. Right: /I subscribe to the "people can be rehabilitated" idea, but not only do US prisons rarely even attempt that, it's unlikely he's worth the effort anyway.

You're correct about the bloodthirst being vengeance, not justice.

I would have to disagree with the "people can be rehabilitated" notion.  Some people can, others cannot.  Psychiatry and psychology are not exact sciences but they can detect the difference between a personality disorder and a mental illness.  A personality disorder can be treated because the person can intellectually recognize that his behavior is deviant and, difficult though it be, can work to correct it.  The truly mentally ill person may exhibit the same behaviors but is intellectually incapable of recognizing that there is anything wrong.  He may be able to recognize that the same behavior is wrong if somebody else does it but is still incapable of recognizing it as wrong if he does it.  Those people cannot be rehabilitated and must be removed from society in a manner befitting their crime, whether that removal entails a humane execution or permanent incarceration.


Oh, not in every case, that's for sure, some brains are completely broken. Schizophrenics and psychotics are always going to be a danger to themselves and everyone around them, and narcissists tend to leave lots of damaged people in their wake. But psychopaths can be trained like dogs, even if they don't think the way average people do; BF Skinner both proved that and was an excellent example himself. The key is training them that being a good dog is more rewarding than being a selfish dick. I think this guy, who was otherwise pretty average and at least tried to be normal up until he went a little insane and decided to get rid of his child, could probably be trained and shamed back into a normal life.

But like I said, I don't think it's worth it, he's used up his big chance so fark him. I don't care if he's killed or imprisoned, but I think it'd be a waste to house him for 20-30 years on the off chance he'll become a productive member of society in his last few twilight years.

Well-trained psychos might become tin-pot dictators and little HOA Hitlers, or born-again assholes and even another Pat Buchanan, but that's still better than muggers and murderers, in my view.
 
2014-06-26 07:50:07 AM  

foxyshadis: psychopaths can be trained like dogs, even if they don't think the way average people do


We got enough CEOs and megachurch preachers.
 
2014-06-26 07:52:21 AM  

Lady Indica: MaudlinMutantMollusk: the thought of the suffering that child must have gone through infuriates me

For what little it's worth from what I understand the heat causes unconsciousness pretty quickly. It's uncomfortable, but the suffering is not great. So, at least there's that. :/

As to this asshole...SMH. I wonder if he was doing it for life insurance or because he didn't want to eventually pay child support or what. I just...can't fathom it. Bet he suicides in jail the worthless piece of shiat.


I'm gonna put my money on extramarital affair, and he wanted to off the kid so he could go off with the mistress child and child support free.
Dunno about the no suffering part, considering there was probably little to no oxygen to breathe in the car, which is what would cause the unconsciousness. Between the fishy story (come on, they reported that the smell was horrendous on the local news there, and he still drove a mile and a half before he 'noticed'. Pretty sure the smell of carrion and feces will get anyone's attention immediately) and his more than suspicious internet search, you can stick a fork in this case and call it done.
Dunno about him getting the death penalty, but if his fellow prisoners get wind of it (and they will, since prison knows all secrets), he'll more than likely be killed quite brutally.
 
2014-06-26 07:52:59 AM  

Taxbongo: bindlestiff2600: namatad: MaudlinMutantMollusk: If this is true, this "man" should be burned alive

/the thought of the suffering that child must have gone through infuriates me

nope
death is way too good for people like this
life in prison, no parole, being beaten and raped daily by other inmates, oh yah, that's the one, just punishment for things like this guy

understand your position
still
if you have captured a rabid dog
do you put it down
or place in a cage and poke with sticks

put him down
(mind you if it takes a bit and he screams a lot - ill just quibble about the time its taking)

Besides making us feel better what else does executing people do?

Nothing. It is wrong to take a life. It shows that we are no better than them


The only situation in which I'd disagree with your statement is when it comes to someone who has life without parole and is still making attempts to kill/maim staff members or other offenders at the correctional facility.

Execution is self-defense on the part of staff, then. Otherwise it's just "we'll kill you back" which is wrong.
 
2014-06-26 07:53:00 AM  

Taxbongo: kling_klang_bed: I know someone who's gonna be getting tossed over the rails in prison, and kudos to whoever does it to this subhuman waste of sperm and egg. WTF kind of monster does this to ANY kid, much less their own?!?! I'll just take a wild guess and say he's just vile on a biological level.

Taking pleasure in death even when you feel it is warranted is sick. We are better than this.



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2014-06-26 07:55:24 AM  

doyner: Solid State Vittles: Is Firefox his preferred browser?

Yes. And he also puts ketchup on hot dogs.


www.city-data.com

Nobody, and I mean nobody, puts ketchup on a hot dog.
 
2014-06-26 07:56:09 AM  

Taxbongo: kling_klang_bed: I know someone who's gonna be getting tossed over the rails in prison, and kudos to whoever does it to this subhuman waste of sperm and egg. WTF kind of monster does this to ANY kid, much less their own?!?! I'll just take a wild guess and say he's just vile on a biological level.

Taking pleasure in death even when you feel it is warranted is sick. We are better than this.



i1.ytimg.com
"I'd take pleasure in guttin' you, boy"
 
2014-06-26 07:57:59 AM  
Once upon a time, briefly, in America, there was justice, common sense, compassion, dignity, honesty and happy endings that occurred someplace besides a cinema screen.  *sigh*
 
2014-06-26 07:59:21 AM  

sno man: Every once in a while one of these come along and you wish for eye-for-an-eye punishment.  Lock this guy in his car, in an adult sized car seat, all strapped in for safety. Make sure it in a sunny spot, roll up the windows, lock the doors and walk away. Bye waster of O2


While a 100 degree day will work, I am thinking just a 90 degree day. You will get the same result. It will just take longer.
 
2014-06-26 08:03:53 AM  

mcnguyen: Plus many first responders are idiots, just like any other group.


lolwut?
 
2014-06-26 08:04:46 AM  
Scaphism.

It's the grown up version.
 
2014-06-26 08:05:23 AM  

bunner: Once upon a time, briefly, in America, there was justice, common sense, compassion, dignity, honesty and happy endings that occurred someplace besides a cinema screen.  *sigh*


LOL, when was that?
 
2014-06-26 08:07:02 AM  

bunner: Aero_70: Taxbongo: You find out why he is the way he is. If someone really wants to be rehabilitated they can be. It is all about what conservatives call "discipline". Redeeming this man and making him a productive member of society benefits   the tax payers and makes us look like humans instead of beasts

"I thought I could change him....." said no abused woman ever

If you could have this guy "rehabilitated" would you be OK with the state mandating that he is your childcare provider?
How about convicted rapists/abuser/murderer?... Would you let them be your wife/daughter/mother/son's personal assistant?

Most ostentatiously pious "progressives" are pretty NIMBY, as a rule.  "I want to save the world within 500' of me because I'm better than you." In other words, this dame.

[cdn.memegenerator.net image 300x300]


I'm not the one who is pissed that a black man is in the White House. When you can learn to treat your fellow man like yourself then you will evolve.
 
2014-06-26 08:07:10 AM  

JoieD'Zen: Yaw String: Trailltrader: *Jeepers*  Am I right in making the mental leap the guy was trying to kill his son and that would make it premeditated attempted murder right?  Wow,,,,

Nah, I'm sure it was just a coincidence.


/also believes in Chupacabra, Mermaids, and my wife  enjoys my puns

Chupacabras are real dammit.



"I swish my cape at you!"
img4.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-06-26 08:07:47 AM  
Not about this case, but in general I keep seeing a lot of statements about how a parent couldn't make that kind of mistake.  Gene Weingarten of the Washington Post wrote a very sad long article about that.  I don't think it will change any minds, but the gist of it is that it can happen, because of how people's minds work.
 
2014-06-26 08:10:59 AM  

Target Builder: This is definitely a reason to do more investigation but if hope there was additional evidence before they send someone to prison for the rest of his life.


True... perhaps he's just a lazy idiot who wanted to see how long the kid could survive in the car. Something like "Hmm, it says here he'll die after 5 hours, so I'll go check on him in 4.5"

Still, not the kind of person who should be entrusted with the responsibility of caring for another human.
 
2014-06-26 08:11:23 AM  

kling_klang_bed: Lady Indica: MaudlinMutantMollusk: the thought of the suffering that child must have gone through infuriates me

For what little it's worth from what I understand the heat causes unconsciousness pretty quickly. It's uncomfortable, but the suffering is not great. So, at least there's that. :/

As to this asshole...SMH. I wonder if he was doing it for life insurance or because he didn't want to eventually pay child support or what. I just...can't fathom it. Bet he suicides in jail the worthless piece of shiat.

I'm gonna put my money on extramarital affair, and he wanted to off the kid so he could go off with the mistress child and child support free.
Dunno about the no suffering part, considering there was probably little to no oxygen to breathe in the car, which is what would cause the unconsciousness. Between the fishy story (come on, they reported that the smell was horrendous on the local news there, and he still drove a mile and a half before he 'noticed'. Pretty sure the smell of carrion and feces will get anyone's attention immediately) and his more than suspicious internet search, you can stick a fork in this case and call it done.
Dunno about him getting the death penalty, but if his fellow prisoners get wind of it (and they will, since prison knows all secrets), he'll more than likely be killed quite brutally.


That would be nice, but they'll put him in "protective custody" (which I am totally against - you are I there for a reason) and nobody will be able to touch him.  So....I'd just as soon he be executed, since GA is a death-penalty state.
 
2014-06-26 08:11:25 AM  
You know I'm really not a fan of capital punishment but things like this make me very very stabby.
 
2014-06-26 08:12:39 AM  

Mr. Right: Prank Call of Cthulhu: I have just always assumed that the phenomenon of the "l'il sizzler," whereby a parent "accidentally forgets" their kid in a hot car, then looks appropriately glum and remorseful, followed by a DA not bringing charges against them because they've "suffered enough already" is nothing more than a unofficially socially acceptable method of postnatal abortion. I just assumed there was some unspoken rule amongst people with kids that if you want to get rid of your squalling crotchspawn, pulling a l'il sizzler was the way to do it.

Because I still can't figure out--even after reading Gene Weingarten's Pulitzer-winning article about it--how in the fark anyone can forget a kid in a car. You're telling me that after shoveling the crapload of weird supplies you need for a kid (diapers, snacks, wipes, juice, DVD player and Baby Einstein CD, stuffed toys, etc.) in the car, along with a huge honking car seat, and then driving around with a dribbling, excreting, screaming thing throwing toys and body fluids around, that you "just forget" about it? I call shenanigans. People do this on purpose.

Yup.  It's been a long time since my children were little but I've had the great good fortune of being able to take care of all of my grandchildren at some point or other, starting when they were very young.  You never forget that they're around, whether in a vehicle or in your home.  It's always on your mind.  I'm normally a sound sleeper, but let a grandbaby be staying at Papa's house overnight and a pin drop will wake me up - just in case there's a problem.  A normal person does not ever lose track of a helpless, totally dependent child.


This would be the correct answer Sir. Being the mother of 2 now adult kids, I can tell you that when they are car seat age, you NEVER EVER have one waking moment that doesn't involve thinking about your child (and what the hell are they doing now)  if you are the adult on patrol. Personally, I find the whole "forgot the kid was in the car" excuse to be completely implausible, but there are some spectacularly stupid people on this planet, so maybe a small handful of these incidents are genuine accidents.

/Husband and I high fived each other on each of their 18th birthdays. Wooohooo! We kept them alive for 18 years!!! It's on them now!
 
2014-06-26 08:16:14 AM  
How I would change the death penalty:

Jan 1st of every year we clean out death row. You can have your appeals up until then, but once the 1st hits, you're done. If you got there Dec 30th, it sucks to be you. You have a day and a half for appeals. Hope the next day is a business day. (I bet you'd see the crime rate drop around Christmas time!) Of course I would make the execution at noon, so you could sleep in. I have some compassion for these convicts..

Now how to handle the actual execution. You're gonna have several people to take care of at once. You don't really have time to waste strapping each on into the chair, putting the hood over their face, giving each one a prayer. So what you do is handcuff everyone together.  Like a big chain, like they could be the winning team at Red Rover. You then wire the first guy to hot and the last guy to neutral. Give them their last words (Attention group, you've got 30 seconds. Ready, go!) Say a quick prayer for the whole lot,  and turn on the juice. And clean up is a cinch. They are already linked. Just grab the first guy and drag the whole pile to the dump truck. Easy peasy, lemon squeezy.
 
2014-06-26 08:17:44 AM  

Atomic Spunk: Does he have to return his Father's Day gift?
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Why does that mug use the Calvin and Hobbes font without having anything to do with Calvin and Hobbes?
 
2014-06-26 08:18:23 AM  

poison_amy: I really want to know what Dad was doing when he opened the car door at lunch time.  Checking to see if the kid was dead?  Making sure it was heating up in there?


Bringing the basting sauce, some carrots, and turnips.
 
2014-06-26 08:18:38 AM  

Taxbongo: Besides making us feel better what else does executing people do?


It ensures they'll never do it again.
 
2014-06-26 08:18:50 AM  

MythDragon: Jan 1st of every year we clean out death row. You can have your appeals up until then, but once the 1st hits, you're done. If you got there Dec 30th, it sucks to be you


I guess under your regime, all the people on death row who were exonerated because of new evidence over the years would have been SOL.
 
2014-06-26 08:20:04 AM  

MythDragon: Taxbongo: kling_klang_bed: I know someone who's gonna be getting tossed over the rails in prison, and kudos to whoever does it to this subhuman waste of sperm and egg. WTF kind of monster does this to ANY kid, much less their own?!?! I'll just take a wild guess and say he's just vile on a biological level.

Taking pleasure in death even when you feel it is warranted is sick. We are better than this.


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Or something more like:

31.media.tumblr.com

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvedSvJWT60
 
2014-06-26 08:24:00 AM  

Datanerd: Not about this case, but in general I keep seeing a lot of statements about how a parent couldn't make that kind of mistake.  Gene Weingarten of the Washington Post wrote a very sad long article about that.  I don't think it will change any minds, but the gist of it is that it can happen, because of how people's minds work.


From your link: "It happens that way somewhere in the United States 15 to 25 times a year"

Each year, approximately 4 million infants are born in the United States.
Infant mortality is over 5 per 1,000. That adds up to 20,000 deaths in the 0-1 age group.
So... no. This does not happen often. Good parents do not make that kind of mistake.
 
2014-06-26 08:24:14 AM  

Cold_Sassy: kling_klang_bed: Lady Indica: MaudlinMutantMollusk: the thought of the suffering that child must have gone through infuriates me

For what little it's worth from what I understand the heat causes unconsciousness pretty quickly. It's uncomfortable, but the suffering is not great. So, at least there's that. :/

As to this asshole...SMH. I wonder if he was doing it for life insurance or because he didn't want to eventually pay child support or what. I just...can't fathom it. Bet he suicides in jail the worthless piece of shiat.

I'm gonna put my money on extramarital affair, and he wanted to off the kid so he could go off with the mistress child and child support free.
Dunno about the no suffering part, considering there was probably little to no oxygen to breathe in the car, which is what would cause the unconsciousness. Between the fishy story (come on, they reported that the smell was horrendous on the local news there, and he still drove a mile and a half before he 'noticed'. Pretty sure the smell of carrion and feces will get anyone's attention immediately) and his more than suspicious internet search, you can stick a fork in this case and call it done.
Dunno about him getting the death penalty, but if his fellow prisoners get wind of it (and they will, since prison knows all secrets), he'll more than likely be killed quite brutally.

That would be nice, but they'll put him in "protective custody" (which I am totally against - you are I there for a reason) and nobody will be able to touch him.  So....I'd just as soon he be executed, since GA is a death-penalty state.


I'd rather the Rorschach method of them dealing with him (mentioned in my post a few posts down) if they execute him.
 
2014-06-26 08:26:02 AM  

Datanerd: Not about this case, but in general I keep seeing a lot of statements about how a parent couldn't make that kind of mistake.  Gene Weingarten of the Washington Post wrote a very sad long article about that.  I don't think it will change any minds, but the gist of it is that it can happen, because of how people's minds work

when suffering from a lack of sleep, charged emotion, and/or stress.

FTFY - that's something the article brings up as the consistent factors in these cases, and these are factors that can be controlled, to a large extent.  People (myself included) try to "power through" far too much, and if there's one thing I've learned from my brief time as a parent, it's that in order to take care of your children, you have to take care of yourself, too.
 
2014-06-26 08:26:23 AM  

RodneyToady: You gotta be one heartless son of a biatch to kill anyone that way, let alone your kid.  I mean, think about it.  He drove away, knowing his kid was in the process of dying a horrible death.  At any point he could have had second thoughts and tried to back out of it. He let it go on.

That's a lack of empathy and compassion I can't even fathom.


There are many people walking around that are incapable of feeling empathy and compassion towards others (sociopaths).

/ at least fear of punishment keeps the smarter ones from (directly) doing horrible things like this...
 
2014-06-26 08:28:02 AM  

JohnAnnArbor: Gdalescrboz: Please, whats her name down in Florida had internet searches looking for ways to dispose of bodies and partied the entire month her daughter was "missing."

Oh, here we go. Nancy Grace and "tot dad."


I remember getting bombarded with "check out this video" facebook links to animals in cars a couple of weeks back. I'd be much more concerned if he had no browser history.
 
2014-06-26 08:28:04 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: sno man: Every once in a while one of these come along and you wish for eye-for-an-eye punishment.  Lock this guy in his car, in an adult sized car seat, all strapped in for safety. Make sure it in a sunny spot, roll up the windows, lock the doors and walk away. Bye waster of O2

Or, just put him in gen pop in prison, nature will take its course.


Yeah, he doesn't look like he'll be able to handle prison life very well, especially with that crime. Dudes life is about to really, really suck.
 
2014-06-26 08:28:16 AM  

E5bie: Taxbongo: 22 months?

Forgive me, I am unsure of the life cycle of toddlers, but at what age do they begin to speak? I am just curious if the 22 month old was conscience or not of what was happening.

At 22 months old they speak toddler-ese, using one and two word "sentences". Parents and caregivers are able to translate that fairly well. To outsiders it is usually a mystery. At two years old, a child is just starting to get smarter than the family dog. He probably knew that it felt really bad until he passed out. No concept of why or what the consequence would be of no help coming.


This statement is so true and soooooo sad.
 
2014-06-26 08:32:13 AM  
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2014-06-26 08:32:53 AM  
But Pierce told CNN on Friday, "I cannot confirm that the child, as originally reported, was in the car at 9 a.m."

so another article is saying the child may not have been in the car all day, or might have had a different cause of death and the leaving the child in the car all day was just a cover for the real cause of death.  The same article says the dad took the child to breakfast that morning.  Perhaps he slipped something into the kid's food, then left him in the car all day???  Perhaps he poisoned him first or just knocked him out so the baking wouldn't be so bad for him?
 
2014-06-26 08:33:55 AM  
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2014-06-26 08:35:39 AM  

poison_amy: It's going to play out that the guy has another woman, wanted a divorce but didn't want to pay child support. These usually look like tragic accidents but every now and then the "kid in the hot car" just looks way too convenient... Like the family who "forgot" their disabled special needs kid who was like nine. In their own driveway.


He won't last long in prison.  Child abusers are the lowest of the low there.
 
2014-06-26 08:36:04 AM  

cherryl taggart: This case reminds me of Susan Smith in SC, when she strapped 2 boys into car seats and watched them drown.


People can be so forgetful when cars are involved...
www.freedomsphoenix.com

or

pinkbunnyears.com

sleepcompass.com
 
2014-06-26 08:37:45 AM  

Taxbongo: 22 months?

Forgive me, I am unsure of the life cycle of toddlers, but at what age do they begin to speak? I am just curious if the 22 month old was conscience or not of what was happening.


Speech doesn't indicate consciousness.

A two year old would certainly be experiencing pain as an adult understands the concept.
 
2014-06-26 08:38:25 AM  

Mr. Right: I would have to disagree with the "people can be rehabilitated" notion.  Some people can, others cannot.  Psychiatry and psychology are not exact sciences but they can detect the difference between a personality disorder and a mental illness. A personality disorder can be treated because the person can intellectually recognize that his behavior is deviant and, difficult though it be, can work to correct it.  The truly mentally ill person may exhibit the same behaviors but is intellectually incapable of recognizing that there is anything wrong.  He may be able to recognize that the same behavior is wrong if somebody else does it but is still incapable of recognizing it as wrong if he does it.  Those people cannot be rehabilitated and must be removed from society in a manner befitting their crime, whether that removal entails a humane execution or permanent incarceration.


I hope you're not a shrink, because I think you have them backwards. Personality disorders are Axis II disorders, mostly viewed as life-long, intractable ways of behaviors. People we call "psychopaths" are on the extreme end of the personality disorders. Very mild personality disorders can be treated--they can sort of see that their own behavior is hurting their life, but it's very difficult. Their entire way of dealing with life is to blame others for everything, and it takes years of therapy to make any changes in this thinking. Some therapists claim that they've "cured" personality disorders, but as someone who's known a lot of them, I don't believe it, unless they are very mild illnesses. Maybe they changed their behavior enough to fool the therapist. A high-functioning PD sometimes can. Saying the right thing to a shrink 2 hours a week is a lot different than actually changing your way of thinking. And if there's one thing that those troublesome PDs share--they lie compulsively. Even when they don't need to, and you have no idea why they'd even do it under the circumstances.

Schizophrenics, bi-polar, all those people who are obviously "crazy"--they know they're crazy. They might not while they're at their worst, but those are Axis I disorders--they go into remission, they have periods of coherence, and they know there's something wrong with them. Still very difficult to treat, since they wig out again and won't take their meds, or they decide that they like being like that while they're high, but they have insight--they can look inside themselves and see how their behavior affects others. Hard to believe, but a moderate to severe personality disorder has no insight--they will never, ever see how their own behavior makes others react to them. Sure, you can train them to act a certain way and fit in, to a degree, and the smart ones learn how say and do the right things, in public, but their mind does not change. They are always the victim, and you are always the oppressor, and whatever they do to anyone is justified. Their brains are permanently broken, and that thinking can't be cured by drugs or therapy. OJ Simpson is a personality disorder--"If I did do it, it must have been because I loved her very much." He really believes this. It was her fault. Most career criminals are personality disorders--they never see how robbing that store, again, caused them to end up in prison, again. it was society's fault because he couldn't get a job! His wife shouldn't have been biatching at him to get a job, or he wouldn't have had to do it!

This guy? If he's actually guilty--personality disorder. He could, if you got him to talk, explain and entirely justify why it was necessary to leave his baby in the car to die. He might, if you prompted him enough, say that, well, yeah, it was wrong to kill the kid because....and the next words out of his mouth would be, Yeah, but.....with a long explanation of why it actually WAS necessary, and it's not his fault. He was just the victim who was put there to make this happen, for a perfectly good reason, of course.

/You think I'm shallow and pedantic now--I just got a job working with mentally ill people.
 
2014-06-26 08:39:58 AM  

Mugato: bunner: Once upon a time, briefly, in America, there was justice, common sense, compassion, dignity, honesty and happy endings that occurred someplace besides a cinema screen.  *sigh*

LOL, when was that?


it sure wasn't the 1950's....despite what the media & politicians say about that decade.
 
2014-06-26 08:42:28 AM  

Forbidden Doughnut: Mugato: bunner: Once upon a time, briefly, in America, there was justice, common sense, compassion, dignity, honesty and happy endings that occurred someplace besides a cinema screen.  *sigh*

LOL, when was that?

it sure wasn't the 1950's....despite what the media & politicians say about that decade.


Yeah, ask some minorities, gays and to a lesser extent women how great the 50s were.
 
2014-06-26 08:45:22 AM  

MythDragon: How I would change the death penalty:

Jan 1st of every year we clean out death row. You can have your appeals up until then, but once the 1st hits, you're done. If you got there Dec 30th, it sucks to be you. You have a day and a half for appeals. Hope the next day is a business day. (I bet you'd see the crime rate drop around Christmas time!) Of course I would make the execution at noon, so you could sleep in. I have some compassion for these convicts..

Now how to handle the actual execution. You're gonna have several people to take care of at once. You don't really have time to waste strapping each on into the chair, putting the hood over their face, giving each one a prayer. So what you do is handcuff everyone together.  Like a big chain, like they could be the winning team at Red Rover. You then wire the first guy to hot and the last guy to neutral. Give them their last words (Attention group, you've got 30 seconds. Ready, go!) Say a quick prayer for the whole lot,  and turn on the juice. And clean up is a cinch. They are already linked. Just grab the first guy and drag the whole pile to the dump truck. Easy peasy, lemon squeezy.


In what amazing world are you living where crimes are solved, processed and criminals sentenced in this sort of time frame?
 
2014-06-26 08:46:06 AM  
I read the WaPo article from a few years ago and was somewhat sympathetic but still a skeptic until Mrs1080 and I had a kid (2 weeks ago). Holy farking sleep deprivation.

At one point right after the birth (48 hours without sleep due to when Mrs1080 went into labor) I basically blacked out. Mrs woke me up to watch the baby b/c she had to pee, and when she came back I had stripped to my underwear and was sleeping in her hospital bed. I have no memory of this, don't remember her waking me up to watch the baby, etc.

Now that baby is home, things are better, he's an okay night sleeper so that's all good, but if you have a kid that's up every hour all night to feed, and you both have to work all day...yeah, I can see now how easily it can happen accidentally.

/can't see how someone would do it on purpose. If it was intentional, the man's a monster.
 
2014-06-26 08:46:53 AM  

Spanky McStupid: E5bie: mcnguyen: Gaylord Fister: It doesn't say if he googled that before or after his son died. If he did it afterwards, he just might have wanted to know how long the kid suffered.

Yeah, when he did those searches makes a big difference.  The only other thing mentioned in the article is that first responders didn't think his answers "made sense".  He could have just been really shaken up that he accidentally killed his kid.  Plus many first responders are idiots, just like any other group.  I'll wait for better info before sharpening my pitchforks.

Sometimes, you can just tell when a person is lying. First responders have experience with panicking, shaken up people. They have some idea about the range of reactions. Another thing mentioned in the article: it was his work's on-site daycare. Which sort of indicates that dropping off kid and picking up kid would be an every day thing, not a shared duty, which drops the likelihood of forgetting considerably. Maybe the question was asked, "Who put the kid in the car this morning?" at which point his play-acting body language went from detectable to obvious. Speculation, of course.

Personally, I'm ready with the pitchforks even if it was an accident (doubt it). That's not the sort of accident that careful parents have. You don't forget your kid. Especially not a toddler, whose existence shapes most of your waking moments outside of work. Doesn't. Happen.


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Hold on; gotta sharpen mine and I'll go with you.


I have a 20-month-old-niece. I'll pitchfork with you.

The guy in TFA is shady. I kind of understood an incident that happened around here awhile back. A guy that had a family restaurant had his kid in his car and went to check on the restaurant briefly. He went in and found there was a grease fire or something in the kitchen and got wrapped up in taking care of that. By the time he remembered the kid, it was too late. I felt a bit for that guy but not the guy in TFA.
 
2014-06-26 08:46:56 AM  

lamecomedian: hen suffering from a lack of sleep, charged emotion, and/or stress.
FTFY - that's something the article brings up as the consistent factors in these cases, and these are factors that can be controlled, to a large extent. People (myself included) try to "power through" far too much, and if there's one thing I've learned from my brief time as a parent, it's that in order to take care of your children, you have to take care of yourself, too.

Yup. I've never lived like that, like a lot of you live--not enough sleep, on overdrive all the time, working too much. My mental health won't stand for it. But I was in an abusive relationship, and when our son was very young, I was depressed. Really, really, depressed. I was taking care of our son full-time, and while I knew that I wasn't paying enough attention to him--I was sitting on the couch half the day, either crying or just spaced completely out--I thought I was doing OK.

One day I "came to" and the 3-year-old was gone. Out of the house. I went outside, and he had wandered down the road to the neighbor's, about a quarter mile, and was inside their horse corral. Luckily, the neighbors had a little girl about the same age, and the horse wasn't freaked out by my kid. But he could have been killed, just like that. (He wasn't in danger from traffic or anything--we lived on a dirt road.) But I came out of my fog long enough to realize just how far I'd slid and how farked up I was getting. the next day I went and got on antidepressants.

/and not too long after that, I left that abusive motherfarker.
 
2014-06-26 08:50:11 AM  

bunner: Once upon a time, briefly, in America, there was justice, common sense, compassion, dignity, honesty and happy endings that occurred someplace besides a cinema screen.  *sigh*


You are a farking lunatic.
 
2014-06-26 08:52:21 AM  
This is obviously beyond a horrible thing to do to someone else, especially a child, but usually even adults are not in mental distress before losing consciousness to heatstroke.  Heat makes you feel tired.  Similar to fainting due to blood loss or hypoxia.  It is likely in my mind that the child was asleep when the father left and stayed asleep.  It doesn't make the father a better person, but it does give me fewer nightmares.
 
2014-06-26 08:52:51 AM  
As the father of a three year old, I'm not saying what he did is right ... But I understand.
 
2014-06-26 08:53:28 AM  
I forgot to say:

/I keed.
 
2014-06-26 08:55:51 AM  
Kid killed by father in hot car......liberal outrage.

Thousands of kids killed each day in abortion 'clinics'....crickets.
 
2014-06-26 08:56:30 AM  

Taxbongo: 22 months?

Forgive me, I am unsure of the life cycle of toddlers, but at what age do they begin to speak? I am just curious if the 22 month old was conscience or not of what was happening.


They learn to understand language a long time before they can speak it.

By the time a kid is 18 months old they can probably say a couple dozed words (varies a LOT) but you should assume they can understand pretty much anything you say in front of them. By then they have very distinct personalities, circles of friends, a sense of humor and so on. They're pretty much little kids rather than babies.

Infants and toddlers at all ages know when something bad is happening to them and when they are in distress, the kid would probably have been terrified until the heat overcame him.

This is partly why I'd really hope they have a lot more on this guy than a few web searches - if he did this deliberately then he needs to rot in jail and not get off because of lazy prosecution. From the sounds of it there is a lot of other evidence they are collecting to build a solid case.
 
2014-06-26 08:56:56 AM  

Mugato: MythDragon: Jan 1st of every year we clean out death row. You can have your appeals up until then, but once the 1st hits, you're done. If you got there Dec 30th, it sucks to be you

I guess under your regime, all the people on death row who were exonerated because of new evidence over the years would have been SOL.


Pretty much, yes.

But you can't buy an omlette without stealing some eggs. Or something.

/maybe you don't understand how a regime works....
//On the plus side, government subsidized hookers. Good ones too. No meth whores. And blackjack.
 
2014-06-26 08:56:59 AM  
I'm listening to my 2 year old son playing right now, and it just hurts to think that anyone would intentionally do something so absolutely horrific to their little one. Sometimes I wish there were a hell.
 
2014-06-26 08:57:48 AM  
Good thing he's in Georgia because it will make punishment easier.

Take the guy out in the middle of a field, put him into a straight jacket, and strap him into a vehicle with the windows rolled up. In a couple days, just set he car on fire.

I'm glad I read this story before I left for work this morning so I could give my kid a hug.
 
2014-06-26 08:59:46 AM  

starsrift: stonelotus: starsrift: Was the search after the death?

/ Pollyanna I am

more like too lazy to RTFA.

I did RTFA. And the article doesn't put any kind of timestamp on the search.

Sensationalist journalism likes to do shiat like that.


So, you think he may have gooogled that stuff after he was arrested?
 
2014-06-26 09:00:09 AM  

bborchar: I'm listening to my 2 year old son playing right now, and it just hurts to think that anyone would intentionally do something so absolutely horrific to their little one. Sometimes I wish there were a hell.


Maximum security in Georgia may be pretty close.
 
2014-06-26 09:01:53 AM  

kendelrio: As the father of a three year old, I'm not saying what he did is right ... But I understand.


You understand what? Please elaborate.
 
2014-06-26 09:03:19 AM  
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But but.....children need a mom and dad...
 
2014-06-26 09:03:28 AM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: I have just always assumed that the phenomenon of the "l'il sizzler," whereby a parent "accidentally forgets" their kid in a hot car, then looks appropriately glum and remorseful, followed by a DA not bringing charges against them because they've "suffered enough already" is nothing more than a unofficially socially acceptable method of postnatal abortion. I just assumed there was some unspoken rule amongst people with kids that if you want to get rid of your squalling crotchspawn, pulling a l'il sizzler was the way to do it.

Because I still can't figure out--even after reading Gene Weingarten's Pulitzer-winning article about it--how in the fark anyone can forget a kid in a car. You're telling me that after shoveling the crapload of weird supplies you need for a kid (diapers, snacks, wipes, juice, DVD player and Baby Einstein CD, stuffed toys, etc.) in the car, along with a huge honking car seat, and then driving around with a dribbling, excreting, screaming thing throwing toys and body fluids around, that you "just forget" about it? I call shenanigans. People do this on purpose.


This.  When I lived in Kentucky in the late 1990s during one summer there was almost an epidemic of L'il Sizzlers in my area.  The rolling ovens' ownership was equally divided between moms and grandmas.  Every one of them got the "she's suffered enough" treatment, no charges filed.  I opined at my job that there was no way one could forget she had a toddler in the car and all the mommies freaked.  "You don't know what it's LIIIIIKE to be a mom, we're so BUUUUUUSY, it was an AAAAACCIDENT!!!!"  I said "if you're that forgetful when you're busy, maybe you should have thought of that before you had a kid."  More flailing.

It has been proven time and time again that the people most likely to be dangerous to a child are his/her parents, yet people always act so shocked when a kid buys it at Mom or Dad's hand.  Breeding licenses.  Now.
 
2014-06-26 09:06:24 AM  
This was actually one of my worst fears for a couple of years. I still have the habit of putting my computer in the back seat when I leave for work in the morning. Back in the day, if I forgot to physically touch the empty car seat on my way in from the parking lot, I would be double checking within a half hour.

I still want to think that these reports are overblown and this was still a horrible accident. Self delusion for the sake of overall sanity, I suppose.

/worst I ever did was drive past an exit and have to do a u turn
 
2014-06-26 09:07:12 AM  
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2014-06-26 09:08:12 AM  

Mr. Right: You're correct about the bloodthirst being vengeance, not justice.


You know, the two are not mutually exclusive.

Can anybody offer an objective argument against vengeance, aptly applied?
 
2014-06-26 09:10:58 AM  

RayD8: MythDragon: How I would change the death penalty:

Jan 1st of every year we clean out death row. You can have your appeals up until then, but once the 1st hits, you're done. If you got there Dec 30th, it sucks to be you. You have a day and a half for appeals. Hope the next day is a business day. (I bet you'd see the crime rate drop around Christmas time!) Of course I would make the execution at noon, so you could sleep in. I have some compassion for these convicts..

Now how to handle the actual execution. You're gonna have several people to take care of at once. You don't really have time to waste strapping each on into the chair, putting the hood over their face, giving each one a prayer. So what you do is handcuff everyone together.  Like a big chain, like they could be the winning team at Red Rover. You then wire the first guy to hot and the last guy to neutral. Give them their last words (Attention group, you've got 30 seconds. Ready, go!) Say a quick prayer for the whole lot,  and turn on the juice. And clean up is a cinch. They are already linked. Just grab the first guy and drag the whole pile to the dump truck. Easy peasy, lemon squeezy.

In what amazing world are you living where crimes are solved, processed and criminals sentenced in this sort of time frame?


According to CSI, it only takes 1 hour.
 
2014-06-26 09:12:39 AM  

Taxbongo: bunner: Taxbongo: So does locking them up until they are no longer a threat

That costs money.  A lot of it.  F*ck that.  If we're gonna live in a society that sucks money's dick, and that can not make the connection between a tax funded medicine model and a robust citizenry, we can throw pieces of trash like this away.  And as far as a chemical cocktail, ammo is about 34¢ a round.  When a dog goes rabid, you put it down.

Everything is resource intensive. People go for decades on death row just waiting and doing nothing but costing us a lot of money. If you wanted the cheapest route that would be rehabilitation.


How do you rehabilitate someone who has such disregard for human life? He is just one example of thousands of fellow humans who would kill you for a ham sandwich. Most criminals were raised in abusive environments that shaped their brain development and left them with deep emotional scars that society is too busy and cheap to redress.

So your right, proper mental health treatment would go a long long way. The problem is that its less expensive to treat them like animals than fix them. Further the real source of the problem (their abusers) often go unpunished.
 
2014-06-26 09:15:08 AM  
Back to the thread of a few days ago: If "free will" is just random quantum fluctuations how is anyone responsible for anything?

"The Universe made me do it."
 
2014-06-26 09:15:34 AM  

cryinoutloud: I hope you're not a shrink, because I think you have them backwards.


I'm not a shrink but my definitions come from a friend of mine who has her PhD in Psychology, is a full professor and practicing clinical psychologist.  Or I could have had one too many of the Single Malts her husband and I share a love of and gotten confused  My recollection - which we were discussing because of several issues in my family - was that someone with a PD is capable of comprehending that a particular behavior is wrong.  He will always have an excuse for his bad behavior - usually an excuse he would not allow others but one he is certain is valid for himself.  Treatment is difficult at best and, like alcoholism, never goes away but bad behavior can sometimes be controlled.  A mental illness, however, is a situation where behavior patterns may be identical but where the person with the mental illness is incapable of ever understanding that his behavior is wrong.  He may recognize that behavior as wrong in others but is absolutely incapable of comprehending that it is unacceptable in himself and is, therefore, completely untreatable.  A rather fine distinction but one she took pains to make.

We were only discussing this from a psychological point of view, not psychiatric.  But that is my recollection and my limited reading (why read when I can just ask a PhD and enjoy a Single Malt with friends in the process?) has done nothing to either clarify or invalidate.  If I am wrong, however, I stand corrected.
 
2014-06-26 09:16:32 AM  
I could see a single mother or father with a ball buster of a baby having enough sleep deprivation to leave a baby in a car, there seem to be a segment of posters here who have this odd perception of infants and young children where they don't fall asleep in cars.  That said it is looking like this guy did it on purpose which is farking insane, true psychopath type stuff.
 
2014-06-26 09:16:39 AM  
I've made it halfway to work with my daughter in the back seat and had to turn around and take her to daycare (which is close to home).

Put your computer, brief case, coffee mug, or something you need at work in the back seat so you are forced to check it.
 
2014-06-26 09:18:15 AM  

metaskie: I found it plausible that it could have been an honest (very very horrible) mistake. I also thought that prison time was too much and that he would be harder on himself for the rest of his life than any court could ever be.


Well I hoped you learned your lesson. I don't really care if you did it intentionally or not when you kill somebody. If you are the type of moron who is farking stupid enough to accidentally kill somebody, then you can feel as bad as you want and serve as a warning for others. It is pretty simple: If you don't want to do time, then keep your head out of your ass.
 
2014-06-26 09:20:04 AM  

bunner: my lip balm addiction: So we fix Capital punishment and put some farking teeth in it.

Mon. 3:00 P.M. - "We hereby sentence you to death by execution by the state."

Tues. 7:00 A.M. - "Good morning, criminal.    Here is the meal you ordered.  Enjoy."

Tues. 9:30 A.M. - "OK, on your feet.  This is televised, btw!"

Tues. 9:41 A.M. *BANG*



A month later - Well what'ya kno?  Turns out he *was* telling the truth when he said he didn't do it and that the cops framed him, oh well, no harm done.
 
2014-06-26 09:20:10 AM  
So if you were to run over a pedestrian completely unintentionally but happen to play Carmageddon...
 
2014-06-26 09:22:40 AM  

Sass-O-Rev: IIRC,  they are saying he placed the child in a rear-facing child seat. That makes no sense to me. As a mother and a grandmother who has done my share of buckling kids into the car,  I am sure that  well before that age (22 months) that child should have been in a seat that faces forward. Why would he do that? So he can later claim he couldn't see the boy in his rear-view mirror?

/speculation is all I've got
//sad


Just over 3 years ago the child car seat recommendations changed and children up to the age of 2 are now supposed to be rear facing.

It changed in February of 2011. How do I remember this? My oldest son was 11 months old and my wife and I were super excited about getting him forward facing. Went from 1 month away to 13 months away.

About 2 weeks ago I googled this again for my 19 month old because we are sick of the rear facing seat. The studies all said that a young child is 75% more likely to be injured in an accident if front facing. (5 more months)

I have been tired enough with the kids to see how something like this might happen accidentally. Luckily it hasn't happened to me. Cannot believe someone would do this to his own kids. I also believe he was going to leave the wife and did not want to be paying for a kid.
 
2014-06-26 09:22:41 AM  
Cut his nuts off and feed them to him for a last meal.
Put him an an iron box, locked, in death valley.
Leave him there.
 
2014-06-26 09:23:28 AM  

filter: As a parent, this ruins my day.


THIS
 
2014-06-26 09:23:36 AM  
So... I once fact chekcekd a hyperbolic statement by a farker about the amount of force necessary to ensure a hammer squishes a head and that makes me guilty of..... hammercide?

What is this? Retard day at the urine pool?
 
2014-06-26 09:23:48 AM  

LazyMedia: sno man: Every once in a while one of these come along and you wish for eye-for-an-eye punishment.  Lock this guy in his car, in an adult sized car seat, all strapped in for safety. Make sure it in a sunny spot, roll up the windows, lock the doors and walk away. Bye waster of O2

Are there really adult-sized car seats? I think those are just called car seats.


We could trim him down to fit a kid-sized one.

Generally opposed to the death penalty, but guys like this make it REALLY hard sometimes...
 
2014-06-26 09:23:58 AM  

umad: I don't really care if you did it intentionally or not when you kill somebody.


good thing you don't have any power to make laws.
 
2014-06-26 09:24:39 AM  

nulluspixiusdemonica: So... I once fact chekcekd a hyperbolic statement by a farker about the amount of force necessary to ensure a hammer squishes a head and that makes me guilty of..... hammercide?

What is this? Retard day at the urine pool?


Was someone later found hammered to death in the back seat of your car?
 
2014-06-26 09:25:20 AM  

nulluspixiusdemonica: .... hammercide?


stop
 
2014-06-26 09:26:35 AM  

TheGreatGazoo: I've made it halfway to work with my daughter in the back seat and had to turn around and take her to daycare (which is close to home).

Put your computer, brief case, coffee mug, or something you need at work in the back seat so you are forced to check it.


Nearest I've done to anything like this was wheeling my kid to the Nursery, blind tired I walked right past and onto the station. She went mental when I realised and turned back, thought she was having a day with her Dad or summat.
We'd have never ever left her in the car even for a quick pop in to the shops. It doesn't take very long for them to get in trouble on a hot day.
 
2014-06-26 09:27:13 AM  

Prophet of Loss: Back to the thread of a few days ago: If "free will" is just random quantum fluctuations how is anyone responsible for anything?

"The Universe made me do it."


This is worse than Descartes.
 
2014-06-26 09:27:16 AM  

Taxbongo: kling_klang_bed: I know someone who's gonna be getting tossed over the rails in prison, and kudos to whoever does it to this subhuman waste of sperm and egg. WTF kind of monster does this to ANY kid, much less their own?!?! I'll just take a wild guess and say he's just vile on a biological level.

Taking pleasure in death even when you feel it is warranted is sick. We are better than this.


Pfft.  Read the comments in this thread.  You might be "better than this" but most people aren't.
 
2014-06-26 09:27:57 AM  

Headso: I could see a single mother or father with a ball buster of a baby having enough sleep deprivation to leave a baby in a car, there seem to be a segment of posters here who have this odd perception of infants and young children where they don't fall asleep in cars.  That said it is looking like this guy did it on purpose which is farking insane, true psychopath type stuff.


We had a guy here in Mass a few years back drive off down the Turnpike having left one of his kids on the roof of his car.  Fortunately the car seat worked as advertised; kid rolled and bounced but was fine.

/hey, he got 50% of his kids strapped in, that should count for something, right?
//parents everywhere were relieved he'd lowered the bar for them...
 
2014-06-26 09:27:58 AM  

Dogghead: Kid killed by father in hot car......liberal outrage.

Thousands of kids killed each day in abortion 'clinics'....crickets.


4/10.  Too bland.  You really need a bit more spice there if you want bites.
 
2014-06-26 09:30:21 AM  

freetomato: When this story first broke (local news to me) I was not about to pass judgement.  I had just read a Pulitzer Prize winning article on the subject (long but very good read)  and those that make this mistake honestly live with awful guilt the rest of their lives.

To do it on purpose is unfathomably cruel.


Article is heart breaking, but is there a follow-up? Do the Harrison's have a second child?
 
2014-06-26 09:31:21 AM  

Dogghead: Kid killed by father in hot car......liberal outrage.

Thousands of kids killed each day in abortion 'clinics'....crickets.


3/10, too obvious.

Millions of sperm die every minute, no one even notices.
 
2014-06-26 09:32:17 AM  
If I had this guy I'd tie him to a rocket and then cover him with honey and then put on some ants and then the ants would be eating him and stuff and then I'd launch that rocket to the moon and there would be gay aliens on the moon and they would have gay alien sex with him and then they would watch TV but the only show they would have is "Step By Step" starring Patrick Duffy!

That's what I would do.  What would you do?  Please, don't spare details.
 
2014-06-26 09:32:56 AM  

Headso: I could see a single mother or father with a ball buster of a baby having enough sleep deprivation to leave a baby in a car, there seem to be a segment of posters here who have this odd perception of infants and young children where they don't fall asleep in cars.  That said it is looking like this guy did it on purpose which is farking insane, true psychopath type stuff.


i'd be more apt to believe this had they not eaten at a restaurant five blocks from his work place.
 
2014-06-26 09:33:15 AM  

Two Dogs Farking: As the father of a young boy, I can't express how much this disgusts me. I am completely befuddled.

At the very least, the father needs to be castrated, preferably as painfully as possible - with a hot fireplace poker or by pitbull - to ensure that he never reproduces again.


Rocuronium drip, IV nutrition, hooked up to a vent, completely awake for weeks.

Maybe alternate the temp between super hot and support cold continuously, or stop the vent just enough for him to get hyperbaric and nearly pass out, bring him back and repeat again at random time intervals.

Leave his psyche a bowl of soft mush.

/couldn't actually go through with it, despite it all. But it's the only torture I can imagine worthy of somebody like that. Would not be sad if I found out he was locked in a room for a year going through that.
 
2014-06-26 09:33:33 AM  
At least you read about it.....
 
2014-06-26 09:34:08 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: When I first heard this story on the radio, I felt really bad because I had thought of all the times I could have gotten distracted and forgotten my kid in the car on a hot sunny day. Luckily, that never happened. He's 9 now and would give me hell if I tried to leave him in the car.

But now this? I see the pictures of the kid, and I am dying a little inside. I can't imagine the kind of farked up person that father must be for seriously contemplating killing the boy and then going through with it.

An accident, I can understand. And for a couple days I sympathized. Today, all I can muster is anger and hate.


I frequently joke that my billion dollar invention is a tranquilizer gun for use on kids with no side effects other than an instant 2 hour nap. My proposed tagline, "All the fun of shooting your kids with none of the side effects." This piece of filth makes me feel really bad for making a tasteless joke.
 
2014-06-26 09:35:10 AM  

Taxbongo: Capital punishment is barbaric this day in age. I am not going to apply our moral standards to our ancestors as it was a different time. Indeed it is a different time and you are on the minority. Capital punishment is wrong and it will be repealed.


1.  "Right" and "Wrong" are human constructs; we, as a society, define them.

2.  The only reason capital punishment is barbaric is that our justice system is flawed, and there are innocent persons being found guilty.

3.  This "man" took a life.  He deserves to die.
 
2014-06-26 09:35:44 AM  

Dogghead: Kid killed by father in hot car......liberal outrage.

Thousands of kids killed each day in abortion 'clinics'....crickets.


Oh look, it's a noob.
 
2014-06-26 09:36:32 AM  

Two Dogs Farking: As the father of a young boy, I can't express how much this disgusts me. I am completely befuddled.

At the very least, the father needs to be castrated, preferably as painfully as possible - with a hot fireplace poker or by pitbull - to ensure that he never reproduces again.


this!

i have seen so many comments (including a couple in this thread, and i only got as far as your comment) about how it could be an accident...could get distracted and make such a mistake...

NOPE! you have a child in your custody, under your watch, whether the child is your own flesh and blood or a friend's kid, or you're the bus/van driver for school/daycare, or whatever the case may be...you have the not only the responsibility of caring for that kid, but you should also have the natural attentive instincts to ensure that child's safety!

i can't handle ANY excuse nor ANY sympathy/empathy for this! even before it started coming out that this may be premeditated, when this was initially reported as an accident, i still thought "string the guy up by his balls...that's a good START" because there is no way in hell i can imagine putting a kid into my car and forgetting that the kid is in there!

i can't even read any more comments in this thread, and i get damn near sick to my extremely strong stomach anytime i see this mentioned
 
2014-06-26 09:36:57 AM  

HAMMERTOE: Mr. Right: You're correct about the bloodthirst being vengeance, not justice.

You know, the two are not mutually exclusive.

Can anybody offer an objective argument against vengeance, aptly applied?


Vengeance is a more personal retribution for wrongs.  If a man rapes a woman, she could exact vengeance by shoving various articles into various orifices until she felt her grievances had been redressed.  Justice, however, is when people not directly involved in the rape would look at the actions that took place, determine that crimes had been committed and the judge would then determine which  rights the rapist would lose for having abrogated his responsibility to follow the laws of society.

In this case, vengeance would be served if the mother would find him, truss him up like a Thanksgiving Turkey, throw him in the back seat of a car and then park it out in the desert somewhere with all the windows tightly sealed.  Justice would be a jury finding that he so egregiously failed his responsibilities to honor the life of another, in this case his own son, that he would forfeit his right to live.  And his life would then be ended in a relatively humane way.
 
2014-06-26 09:37:40 AM  
Are we at the point where vigilantism is considered okay?
 
2014-06-26 09:39:10 AM  

Headso: umad: I don't really care if you did it intentionally or not when you kill somebody.

good thing you don't have any power to make laws.


I can vote against brainless shiatbags like you who push the "he/she has suffered enough already" nonsense, which isn't nothing.
 
2014-06-26 09:40:13 AM  
That's one way to avoid child support. I bet he wouldn't have roasted that little turd if he didn't know an inherently misandristic court system would invade personal and private business and order the outright theft of most of his hard earned money for a long time to come. Working hard to be impoverished to reward a biatch or roll the dice? The man is a gambler.
 
2014-06-26 09:40:32 AM  

Rapmaster2000: That's what I would do.  What would you do?  Please, don't spare details.


Yeah I'll farking lay his nuts on a farking dresser
Just his nuts laying on a farking dresser
And bang them shiats with a spiked farking bat
Oh
What's up? BLAOW!
 
2014-06-26 09:43:01 AM  

MythDragon: RayD8: MythDragon: How I would change the death penalty:

Jan 1st of every year we clean out death row. You can have your appeals up until then, but once the 1st hits, you're done. If you got there Dec 30th, it sucks to be you. You have a day and a half for appeals. Hope the next day is a business day. (I bet you'd see the crime rate drop around Christmas time!) Of course I would make the execution at noon, so you could sleep in. I have some compassion for these convicts..

Now how to handle the actual execution. You're gonna have several people to take care of at once. You don't really have time to waste strapping each on into the chair, putting the hood over their face, giving each one a prayer. So what you do is handcuff everyone together.  Like a big chain, like they could be the winning team at Red Rover. You then wire the first guy to hot and the last guy to neutral. Give them their last words (Attention group, you've got 30 seconds. Ready, go!) Say a quick prayer for the whole lot,  and turn on the juice. And clean up is a cinch. They are already linked. Just grab the first guy and drag the whole pile to the dump truck. Easy peasy, lemon squeezy.

In what amazing world are you living where crimes are solved, processed and criminals sentenced in this sort of time frame?

According to CSI, it only takes 1 hour.


Yeeeeaaaahhhhh!
 
2014-06-26 09:43:25 AM  

umad: Headso: umad: I don't really care if you did it intentionally or not when you kill somebody.

good thing you don't have any power to make laws.

I can vote against brainless shiatbags like you who push the "he/she has suffered enough already" nonsense, which isn't nothing.


true, but luckily tough on crime geezers are dying off of old age faster than authoritarian basement dwellers can take their place so you'll find less and less company each time you go to the polls.
 
2014-06-26 09:43:30 AM  
It''s times like this that make me wish I knew some HTML so i could post a pic of the hot box from the movie "The Bridge On The River Kwai". That would be a fitting punishment for this piece of shiat.

But I don't know HTML, so I'll just write about it instead.
 
2014-06-26 09:45:27 AM  
You people are farked in the head.
 
2014-06-26 09:48:41 AM  
Fire up old sparky.
 
2014-06-26 09:48:48 AM  
Torturing and killing this man won't bring his child back.  It won't help anyone.  So... enjoy your pointless bloodlust, losers.
 
2014-06-26 09:48:58 AM  

SundaesChild: Wow, I thought charging him with murder was extreme for what looked like an accident. Sad to say I was very wrong.


No problem.  That's how evidence works.  New evidence can change one's mind.
 
2014-06-26 09:51:26 AM  
Apparently this happened in the parking deck at the Home Depot headquarters. The parking deck is massive and the top level, while shaded by Home Depot's office during the morning, is an inferno during the afternoon. Most people don't park on the top level unless they absolutely have to since it is so hot up there. Parking up there is your punishment for coming in later than everybody else. This also means that if dad parked off in remote corner, there wouldn't have been anyone walking by to see or hear the kid. Might also be why he "discovered" his kid after leaving Home Depot's parking deck. If he was indeed up on the top level, it would have immediately made any investigator think the whole situation was suspicious.
 
2014-06-26 09:51:36 AM  

Mr. Right: cryinoutloud: I hope you're not a shrink, because I think you have them backwards.
I'm not a shrink but my definitions come from a friend of mine who has her PhD in Psychology, is a full professor and practicing clinical psychologist.  Or I could have had one too many of the Single Malts her husband and I share a love of and gotten confused  My recollection - which we were discussing because of several issues in my family - was that someone with a PD is capable of comprehending that a particular behavior is wrong.  He will always have an excuse for his bad behavior - usually an excuse he would not allow others but one he is certain is valid for himself.  Treatment is difficult at best and, like alcoholism, never goes away but bad behavior can sometimes be controlled.  A mental illness, however, is a situation where behavior patterns may be identical but where the person with the mental illness is incapable of ever understanding that his behavior is wrong.  He may recognize that behavior as wrong in others but is absolutely incapable of comprehending that it is unacceptable in himself and is, therefore, completely untreatable.  A rather fine distinction but one she took pains to make.
We were only discussing this from a psychological point of view, not psychiatric.  But that is my recollection and my limited reading (why read when I can just ask a PhD and enjoy a Single Malt with friends in the process?) has done nothing to either clarify or invalidate.  If I am wrong, however, I stand corrected.


Psychology being such a murky subject, opinions on the definitions can vary a lot. And nobody is objective enough to really SEE what's going on in someone's head. But I learned it from the DSM, and that's how they tried to divide them up--Axis I disorders are "curable", Axis II disorders are permanent. Then of course there's a lot of weasel room in there--is it really a PD, or just a bad Axis I disorder, and the person will come out of it somewhat? Do they really have a conscience, or are they just a high-functioning PD who can fool almost everyone? But they're all "mental illnesses." You can't differentiate them that way. They're all in the big book of mental illnesses.

Everybody on Fark calls all these nutcases "psychopaths" or "sociopaths", which is too broad of a term for personality disorders, and in psychology, it's reserved for the very worst of them. But it's meant to say that they don't have a conscience, are completely devoid of feelings. Actually, PDs do have a conscience--they aren't cold, like you think a "psychopath" is. They have massive emotions about lots of things--but only in reference to themselves. YOU hurt them, THEY feel bad so someone must pay, etc. What they lack is empathy--they can't see anyone else's feelings.

Hell, I'm an alcoholic. I quit drinking because I don't have a personality disorder--i was able to see that it was my responsibility, not someone else's fault. But at my worst, it all was, and I kept drinking because it wasn't my fault that I was a drunk. When I had to give up on that, I had to sober up. Because I'm not nuts, and I couldn't keep that fable going.

Now, you can get an alcoholic with a PD to quit drinking too, but you have to frame it in terms of how it will help THEM, how it will make THEM better people than everyone else. The AA stuff is nonsense to them--personal responsibility, making amends and all that . Making amends? What would they have to make amends for? None of that stuff was their fault! (and whatever you may have heard about AA on Fark--they're largely wrong and full of shiat too. Most Farkers have never even been in AA.)

My knowledge, based on the nut I was married to and lots of reading, is that severe PDs do not see how their behavior is wrong, and can't be made to see it. I have both an ex-husband and a sister who have not, ever, seen anything wrong with their behavior, no matter how they farked someone over. My ex can make the appropriate noises about how "he was wrong," but he's lying. My sister is a narcissist, and NEVER has done anything wrong. Every action by her is caused by someone else's bad behavior, and being such a conscientious person, she feels compelled to correct them. It's not her fault that she's a biatch.

There's also an awful lot of mis-diagnosis and bad therapists out there. And we all interpret things differently. Anyway, I got out of psychology and went into hard science precisely because of all the fuzzy math, but looks like now I'll be back in it. And I expect to see a lot of misdiagnosis and misinterpretation every day. maybe mine....but I don't know. I've known an awful lot of these people, and I've watched them in action, not just when they're putting on a show for the shrink. My family is full of them.
 
2014-06-26 09:51:40 AM  

foxyshadis: Schizophrenics and psychotics are always going to be a danger to themselves and everyone around them, and narcissists tend to leave lots of damaged people in their wake. But psychopaths can be trained like dogs,


Please don't lump schizophrenics in with Cluster B personality disorders.  The media has really given schizophrenics a bad rap.   Schizophrenics are no danger to anyone as long as they're on their medication.  Even unmedicated they're not particularly likely to harm others in the absence of aggravating factors that also increase the likelihood of violence in the non-schizophrenic population (drug/alcohol abuse and/or pre-existing conduct disorders from childhood).  They know and care about right and wrong.

Malignant narcissists and ASPDs (sociopaths) frequently and repeatedly hurt people either because they think it's fun or because they are incapable of caring, and are generally untreatable because they don't believe there's anything wrong with themselves and they don't see it as a net benefit to them to follow society's rules.  As far as I'm concerned after one offence send them to a dungeon to fight it out amongst themselves.

/Oh Cluster B people, how miserable you make my job
 
2014-06-26 09:52:21 AM  

bunner: Most ostentatiously pious "progressives" are pretty NIMBY, as a rule. "I want to save the world within 500' of me because I'm better than you." In other words, this dame.

cdn.memegenerator.net


That picture is so incredibly perfect.
 
2014-06-26 10:01:14 AM  

Inflatable Rhetoric: Millions of sperm die every minute, no one even notices.


Lies! Damned lies and statistics. Also, pretty sure at least one person notices.
 
2014-06-26 10:05:28 AM  

Taxbongo: poison_amy: Taxbongo: 22 months?

Forgive me, I am unsure of the life cycle of toddlers, but at what age do they begin to speak? I am just curious if the 22 month old was conscience or not of what was happening.

22 month old kids are walking, talking, and figuring stuff out. They had eaten at a restaurant five minutes away, so the kid was wide awake and probably talking a mile a minute. They are also developing logic and he probably tried very hard to get out of his carseat, but likely lacked the fine motor skills and strength.

damn


And probably cried/screamed when Daddy walked away. and did so until he become hoarse or fell asleep.
 
2014-06-26 10:07:39 AM  

if_i_really_have_to: Oh Cluster B people, how miserable you make my job


This. I've never quit a job because of the JOB. I've quit a few because of people, though.
 
2014-06-26 10:08:56 AM  

roc6783: AverageAmericanGuy: When I first heard this story on the radio, I felt really bad because I had thought of all the times I could have gotten distracted and forgotten my kid in the car on a hot sunny day. Luckily, that never happened. He's 9 now and would give me hell if I tried to leave him in the car.

But now this? I see the pictures of the kid, and I am dying a little inside. I can't imagine the kind of farked up person that father must be for seriously contemplating killing the boy and then going through with it.

An accident, I can understand. And for a couple days I sympathized. Today, all I can muster is anger and hate.

I frequently joke that my billion dollar invention is a tranquilizer gun for use on kids with no side effects other than an instant 2 hour nap. My proposed tagline, "All the fun of shooting your kids with none of the side effects." This piece of filth makes me feel really bad for making a tasteless joke.


By any chance, would you have a dosage for mouthy teens or dreadful bosses?  I'm asking for a friend.
 
2014-06-26 10:09:27 AM  
My god.... did this sick asshole really think he was going to be able to sell that he forgot to drop his kid off at his work's on-site daycare for seven hours?1?!

Home Depot has to chalk this up as a bad hire....
 
2014-06-26 10:11:01 AM  
Why all the talk about this guy being sick? Maybe he is just evil. We seem to be quick to rationalize evil as sick or aberrant, but maybe he, in a rational frame of mind, just coldly calculated the pros and cons of killing his son and did the farked up thing. He caused another person to suffer immeasurably for his gain.
 
2014-06-26 10:12:25 AM  

Taxbongo: 22 months?

Forgive me, I am unsure of the life cycle of toddlers, but at what age do they begin to speak? I am just curious if the 22 month old was conscience or not of what was happening.


My daughter is 25 months and has been clipping the chest buckle on her car seat for 2+ months. She has been able to pick up my wife's Nexus, unlock it, find the screen that has her apps, and open the particular one she wants for about 4 months.
 
2014-06-26 10:14:10 AM  

fireclown: SundaesChild: Wow, I thought charging him with murder was extreme for what looked like an accident. Sad to say I was very wrong.

No problem.  That's how evidence works.  New evidence can change one's mind.


Tell that to Iraq!
 
2014-06-26 10:15:24 AM  
I don't think that I'm alone in that some small, very dark part of me feels something like relief that this was an intentional act because makes me feel like it's less likely that I would do such a thing.  If this had truly been an accident, it would feel totally plausible that such a thing could happen to me.  I honestly don't think I'm alone in this.
 
2014-06-26 10:19:36 AM  
All I can muster is wow... Just... Wow...

It doesn't help that this kid is a doppleganger of my friend's toddler.
 
2014-06-26 10:20:43 AM  

IvyLady: I don't think that I'm alone in that some small, very dark part of me feels something like relief that this was an intentional act because makes me feel like it's less likely that I would do such a thing.  If this had truly been an accident, it would feel totally plausible that such a thing could happen to me.  I honestly don't think I'm alone in this.


My kid is 20 and I still have nightmares that she's a baby and I have forgotten her somewhere. Never in a car though, but I've dreamt I left her in a shopping cart at the grocery store or at Target.
 
2014-06-26 10:25:05 AM  
Correlation is not causation.

- Sorry, I've been on the interwebby for years and I have never had the the opportunity to be "that guy" and type that at a really stupid juncture so I figured I'd take this opportunity to frolic in self-loathing.
 
2014-06-26 10:27:23 AM  
Extremely rare thing to have a child in that manner.  It is also extremely rare (I hope) for someone to Google that particular topic.  For those to events to happen together and in such close proximity if it were just random chance (i.e. the guy is just incredibly unlucky), is so astronomically small, I don't see how anyone could believe that to be the case.   The simpler and much more believable explanation is he researched this because he was planning to kill his son in this manner and then he followed through with his plan.

Additionally, he went back to the car at lunch and somehow didn't see his son?  I can see forgetting a child as you are getting out of your car as people often fall into habit when getting out of a car and looking over the shoulder to the back seat isn't something we typically do, but when you are getting into the car, you are facing it and can see the whole passenger area.  Incredibly unlikely he wouldn't have noticed his son then, particularly when you consider he likely would have been getting hot and uncomfortable and would have been trying to get his father's attention.

I can just envision the scenario....he goes back to the car to check and see if his son is dead yet and is disappointed to find that he isn't.  The kid is crying, wanting for his father to take him out of the car and to some place cool, but his dad just stares back at him with cold dead eyes, shuts the car door, and walks away.
 
2014-06-26 10:28:41 AM  

mcnguyen: Gaylord Fister: It doesn't say if he googled that before or after his son died. If he did it afterwards, he just might have wanted to know how long the kid suffered.

Yeah, when he did those searches makes a big difference.  The only other thing mentioned in the article is that first responders didn't think his answers "made sense".  He could have just been really shaken up that he accidentally killed his kid.  Plus many first responders are idiots, just like any other group.  I'll wait for better info before sharpening my pitchforks.


The article I read says surveillance video shows he went to the car at lunch time and put something inside, which I interpreted as he went and checked on the kid and noticed it hadn't been hot enough that morning to finish the job. Sick fark

/that's me looking inside yours (and everybody else's)car for the next year in parking lots
//seriously how does a person get that F'd in the head

http://m.wlox.com/#!/newsDetail/25866892?orgId=40
 
2014-06-26 10:32:43 AM  
I hope he dies very soon.
 
2014-06-26 10:34:29 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: If this is true, this "man" should be burned alive

/the thought of the suffering that child must have gone through infuriates me


Most days I like Fark.  Today I hate it for bringing me knowledge of this.  I could not even read past the second line of the article.
 
2014-06-26 10:36:56 AM  

Taxbongo: 22 months?

Forgive me, I am unsure of the life cycle of toddlers, but at what age do they begin to speak? I am just curious if the 22 month old was conscience or not of what was happening.


Kids are all different. Mine is 20 months and jabbers like a maniac when she's not sleeping, but some of my friend's kids near the same age rarely make a peep

But at 22 months I would think, in a parking lot, this kid would be screaming his head off enough that somebody would have heard him. Maybe dad of the year here drugged him
 
2014-06-26 10:37:06 AM  

H31N0US: fireclown: SundaesChild: Wow, I thought charging him with murder was extreme for what looked like an accident. Sad to say I was very wrong.

No problem.  That's how evidence works.  New evidence can change one's mind.

Tell that to Iraq!


Dude!   I can only pick one fight at a time.
;)
 
2014-06-26 10:38:25 AM  

JackieRabbit: My god.... did this sick asshole really think he was going to be able to sell that he forgot to drop his kid off at his work's on-site daycare for seven hours?1?!
Home Depot has to chalk this up as a bad hire....


I didn't hear that at first, but if it was his daily routine, and the daycare was right there--GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY.

EVEN IF you somehow forgot to get the kid out of the car and went into work, you'd remember it before you'd been there for long. You'd think "Wait, how come I'm clocking in 10 minutes earlier than usual?" or you'd think that you don't have your coffee, because you usually picked it up on your way from the daycare room, or you'd still have your diaper that you brought, because that's the last thing you do before you drop the kid off--check his diaper....

Your routine would be off, and you'd notice if you were right there.
 
2014-06-26 10:39:16 AM  

CheekyMonkey: Taxbongo: kling_klang_bed: I know someone who's gonna be getting tossed over the rails in prison, and kudos to whoever does it to this subhuman waste of sperm and egg. WTF kind of monster does this to ANY kid, much less their own?!?! I'll just take a wild guess and say he's just vile on a biological level.

Taking pleasure in death even when you feel it is warranted is sick. We are better than this.

Pfft.  Read the comments in this thread.  You might be "better than this" but most people aren't.


They just wait for the "right" reason to jack off about a human being getting executed, tortured, and raped by people who all these self righteous members of the moral umbrage brigade would flee in terror from if they saw them coming down the street.

/if he's guilty lock him away for life
//hug your kid
///be a better human and role model for your kid than either this guy allegedly or the verbal sadists in this thread.
 
2014-06-26 10:41:23 AM  

foxyshadis: That bloodthirst makes you no better than him in the first place, even if you haven't killed (yet).


That might be the most retarded thing I have ever heard.  Man up, nancy!  I'm sure you've done things that deserve a lynch mob to have at your arse and all this talk is making you picture how bad you are going to have it handed to you but it hasn't happened (yet)
 
2014-06-26 10:42:13 AM  

Mr. Right: In this case, vengeance would be served if the mother would find him, truss him up like a Thanksgiving Turkey, throw him in the back seat of a car and then park it out in the desert somewhere with all the windows tightly sealed. Justice would be a jury finding that he so egregiously failed his responsibilities to honor the life of another, in this case his own son, that he would forfeit his right to live. And his life would then be ended in a relatively humane way.


Thank you for the dry analysis. But you provided no argument that ending his life in a "humane" way would or does amount to "justice".
 
2014-06-26 10:42:41 AM  

Rigby-Reardon: Sass-O-Rev: IIRC,  they are saying he placed the child in a rear-facing child seat. That makes no sense to me. As a mother and a grandmother who has done my share of buckling kids into the car,  I am sure that  well before that age (22 months) that child should have been in a seat that faces forward. Why would he do that? So he can later claim he couldn't see the boy in his rear-view mirror?

/speculation is all I've got
//sad

Just over 3 years ago the child car seat recommendations changed and children up to the age of 2 are now supposed to be rear facing.

It changed in February of 2011. How do I remember this? My oldest son was 11 months old and my wife and I were super excited about getting him forward facing. Went from 1 month away to 13 months away.

About 2 weeks ago I googled this again for my 19 month old because we are sick of the rear facing seat. The studies all said that a young child is 75% more likely to be injured in an accident if front facing. (5 more months)

I have been tired enough with the kids to see how something like this might happen accidentally. Luckily it hasn't happened to me. Cannot believe someone would do this to his own kids. I also believe he was going to leave the wife and did not want to be paying for a kid.


thanks for the clarification-- I did not know that. Also, I live in Canada, and the rules may be a little different here re: ages and stages..

/still sad.
//gonna go hug my grandsquidlet now.
 
2014-06-26 10:44:30 AM  

Taxbongo: poison_amy: Taxbongo: 22 months?

Forgive me, I am unsure of the life cycle of toddlers, but at what age do they begin to speak? I am just curious if the 22 month old was conscience or not of what was happening.

22 month old kids are walking, talking, and figuring stuff out. They had eaten at a restaurant five minutes away, so the kid was wide awake and probably talking a mile a minute. They are also developing logic and he probably tried very hard to get out of his carseat, but likely lacked the fine motor skills and strength.

damn


Kid would have been bawling hard and struggling/squirming like crazy until he passed out from heat exhaustion, he might have only felt the pain for half of the 8 hours, but it's a f***ing shiatty way to go in any event... if he wasn't otherwise dead first and this was some kind of coverup?
 
2014-06-26 10:46:46 AM  

Mr. Ekshun: JohnAnnArbor: What's the motive?

Kid owed money all over town, including to known pornographers.


He thought the kid was suckling his wife's boobies a little too long.
 
2014-06-26 10:48:25 AM  

trappedspirit: foxyshadis: That bloodthirst makes you no better than him in the first place, even if you haven't killed (yet).

That might be the most retarded thing I have ever heard.  Man up, nancy!  I'm sure you've done things that deserve a lynch mob to have at your arse and all this talk is making you picture how bad you are going to have it handed to you but it hasn't happened (yet)


things that deserve having a lynch mob to have at your ass:
murder
horse theft
whistling at a white woman
being in the same room/city/existance/marraige as a white woman


tl;dr whatever the lynch mob wants to use as a reason
 
2014-06-26 10:54:07 AM  

Dogghead: Kid killed by father in hot car......liberal outrage.

Thousands of kids killed each day in abortion 'clinics'....crickets.


1.bp.blogspot.com

/3rd time I've used this in 2 days.
 
2014-06-26 10:54:36 AM  
I too am disgusted at this man's appalling lack of respect for the life of another. Let me show my disgust with murder by writing a seven paragraph fantasy about what parts of him should be pulled off of him while he is flayed to death.
 
2014-06-26 10:56:55 AM  
Taxbongo:

I am very pro-tax. I was trying to put it in a perspective that you could understand.

And you are right a bullet can fix things. But it comes at a cost: our humanity. Killing our fellow citizens makes us the scumbags.


No, it makes us human beings who recognize a corrupted, twisted, evil inndividual who can never be redeemed.  We even kill rabid doogs, who are simply victims of a disease they can't understand.  To eliminate those who choose to inflict harm and suffering to the weak, helpless and innocent does not make us scumbags.  It makes us responsible members of society who carry out a necessary, if unpleasant, task.
 
2014-06-26 10:59:07 AM  

Taxbongo: bindlestiff2600: namatad: MaudlinMutantMollusk: If this is true, this "man" should be burned alive

/the thought of the suffering that child must have gone through infuriates me

nope
death is way too good for people like this
life in prison, no parole, being beaten and raped daily by other inmates, oh yah, that's the one, just punishment for things like this guy

understand your position
still
if you have captured a rabid dog
do you put it down
or place in a cage and poke with sticks

put him down
(mind you if it takes a bit and he screams a lot - ill just quibble about the time its taking)

Besides making us feel better what else does executing people do?

Nothing. It is wrong to take a life. It shows that we are no better than them


But no worse, right?
 
2014-06-26 10:59:21 AM  

E5bie: Datanerd: Not about this case, but in general I keep seeing a lot of statements about how a parent couldn't make that kind of mistake.  Gene Weingarten of the Washington Post wrote a very sad long article about that.  I don't think it will change any minds, but the gist of it is that it can happen, because of how people's minds work.

From your link: "It happens that way somewhere in the United States 15 to 25 times a year"

Each year, approximately 4 million infants are born in the United States.
Infant mortality is over 5 per 1,000. That adds up to 20,000 deaths in the 0-1 age group.
So... no. This does not happen often. Good parents do not make that kind of mistake.


Just like cosleeping deaths. Many people may do it, but not too many kids end up dead because of it.

//Also, with the co-sleeping thing, alcohol and drugs are usually a factor. So if your kid survived co-sleeping, you probably weren't wasted, congrats. http://m.jsonline.com/more/news/milwaukee/87602592.html
 
2014-06-26 11:02:20 AM  
On the brighter side, I think there is going to be a job opening created at this guy's company.

/You are welcome, Obama.
 
2014-06-26 11:07:18 AM  

itsaidwhat: On the brighter side, I think there is going to be a job opening created at this guy's company.

/You are welcome, Obama.


The bar is pretty low too, "The new guy can't figure out how to use the copier and he's always coming in late and leaving early but hey, at least he isn't killing babies"
 
2014-06-26 11:14:38 AM  

Two Dogs Farking: As the father of a young boy, I can't express how much this disgusts me. I am completely befuddled.

At the very least, the father needs to be castrated, preferably as painfully as possible - with a hot fireplace poker or by pitbull - to ensure that he never reproduces again.


I am sure PTMA prison will take good care of him if this is true. If not karma will.
 
2014-06-26 11:16:43 AM  
Stories like these put my thoughts into such a weird place.  Like, cruel and unusual punishment is so played out, when are we going to have some Running Man type shiat.  I will pay to see that shiat on pay per view.  Them moments later I'm back in reality, I guess we'll pay to incarcerate this pos for the rest of his life.
 
Ehh
2014-06-26 11:17:11 AM  
He's got double stubble too. Burn him.
 
2014-06-26 11:19:05 AM  
My wife and I have been trying to adopt for a while now, and we've met at least a hundred couples who have been trying for longer.

Any one of us would have been thrilled to give this little boy a home if this piece of slime wasn't willing to be a parent.

Instead this happens.

I want this piece if shiyat to be in a lot of pain for a very, very long time
 
2014-06-26 11:21:30 AM  

Headso: itsaidwhat: On the brighter side, I think there is going to be a job opening created at this guy's company.

/You are welcome, Obama.

The bar is pretty low too, "The new guy can't figure out how to use the copier and he's always coming in late and leaving early but hey, at least he isn't killing babies"


Though it was before this guy worked there, I've worked for Home Depot's IT department. It isn't a great job. Not terrible but is a combination of typical Fortune 500 political BS, slow moving bureaucracy, average pay, and suburbanite Rand worshiping libertarian co-workers. If you can put your head down, not give a fark about the quality of results, and mentally check out, it's a solid job that will keep you in a middle class life style.

/And yes, there have extensive filters on what you can access on the internet so you won't spend your day browsing Fark.
//The bureaucracy is insane. Took two weeks to get a computer. Another two for internet access. And about that long for an id badge.
 
2014-06-26 11:23:00 AM  

Pumpernickel bread: Extremely rare thing to have a child in that manner.  It is also extremely rare (I hope) for someone to Google that particular topic.  For those to events to happen together and in such close proximity if it were just random chance (i.e. the guy is just incredibly unlucky), is so astronomically small, I don't see how anyone could believe that to be the case.   The simpler and much more believable explanation is he researched this because he was planning to kill his son in this manner and then he followed through with his plan.

I have to agree. What are the odds of a man doing all this 'by accident'?
- aware/awake enough to take his toddler to breakfast before work;
- forgetting toddler (and diaper bag/toys/binky/etc.) in car parked on rooftop lot;
- forgetting he didn't walk to daycare/interact with daycare personnel;
- getting to work early, due to missing the daycare hand-off;
- stopping by car at lunchtime to drop something off and not notice toddler in backseat;
- searching for 'heatstroke death in car' (or something) on work computer that very day; and
- only realizing something was wrong at the end of the day (presumably when other people are around to witness his 'grieved father' breakdown)

When I first read about this case, I wanted to hope it was a terrible, terrible accident brought about by extreme sleep deprivation. But the more I read...yeah, I think Occam's Razor applies here.

Still surprised no one from the daycare center called him to ask, "hey, why didn't you bring your son in today like you usually do?" or "why didn't you let us know your son wasn't coming in today?" Most daycares keep very close tabs on who shows up & who doesn't. Well, the non-sh*tty ones, at least.
 
2014-06-26 11:23:56 AM  
If true, it suggests that this was a premeditated murder, and this person should go to prison for a very, very long time.

...but what's really scary is how bloodthirsty people on Fark appear to be.  Good lord, I'm glad we've got police and prisons to cow you all into behaving in a civilized way, because I'd be terrified to see what half of the posters here would be like if left to their own devices in some sort of post-apocalyptic anarchy scenario.  The Eighth amendment exists for a reason: because we're supposed to at least try to behave better than criminals -- not invent the most gruesome possible revenge fantasies and outdo the savagery of the criminals we punish.
 
2014-06-26 11:27:35 AM  

jshine: If true, it suggests that this was a premeditated murder, and this person should go to prison for a very, very long time.

...but what's really scary is how bloodthirsty people on Fark appear to be.  Good lord, I'm glad we've got police and prisons to cow you all into behaving in a civilized way, because I'd be terrified to see what half of the posters here would be like if left to their own devices in some sort of post-apocalyptic anarchy scenario.  The Eighth amendment exists for a reason: because we're supposed to at least try to behave better than criminals -- not invent the most gruesome possible revenge fantasies and outdo the savagery of the criminals we punish.


You really think they would actually enact this? Hell, even if they were given all of the tools and time and freedom necessary, they look at you, look at him, and look at you and say,
"You know what? He's not worth it."

Like Bilbo and Gollum.
 
2014-06-26 11:27:38 AM  

Dogghead: Kid killed by father in hot car......liberal outrage.

Thousands of kids killed each day in abortion 'clinics'....crickets.


WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CRICKETS?
ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2014-06-26 11:30:54 AM  

StandsWithAFist: Pumpernickel bread: Extremely rare thing to have a child in that manner.  It is also extremely rare (I hope) for someone to Google that particular topic.  For those to events to happen together and in such close proximity if it were just random chance (i.e. the guy is just incredibly unlucky), is so astronomically small, I don't see how anyone could believe that to be the case.   The simpler and much more believable explanation is he researched this because he was planning to kill his son in this manner and then he followed through with his plan.
I have to agree. What are the odds of a man doing all this 'by accident'?
- aware/awake enough to take his toddler to breakfast before work;
- forgetting toddler (and diaper bag/toys/binky/etc.) in car parked on rooftop lot;
- forgetting he didn't walk to daycare/interact with daycare personnel;
- getting to work early, due to missing the daycare hand-off;
- stopping by car at lunchtime to drop something off and not notice toddler in backseat;
- searching for 'heatstroke death in car' (or something) on work computer that very day; and
- only realizing something was wrong at the end of the day (presumably when other people are around to witness his 'grieved father' breakdown)

When I first read about this case, I wanted to hope it was a terrible, terrible accident brought about by extreme sleep deprivation. But the more I read...yeah, I think Occam's Razor applies here.

Still surprised no one from the daycare center called him to ask, "hey, why didn't you bring your son in today like you usually do?" or "why didn't you let us know your son wasn't coming in today?" Most daycares keep very close tabs on who shows up & who doesn't. Well, the non-sh*tty ones, at least.


I was going to agree with you that this appears to be a shiatty daycare.
Can't wait until they search his phone, and see the 3 missed calls form the daycare right as he was punching into work.

:(
 
2014-06-26 11:31:02 AM  

HAMMERTOE: But you provided no argument that ending his life in a "humane" way would or does amount to "justice"


It is my opinion, shared by many others, that every right has concomitant responsibilities.  Among the concomitant responsibilities of the right to live is to respect the lives of others.  When someone, such as dear old dad in this case, so egregiously and callously disrespects the right of another to live and especially when he causes the death of one who is dependent on him - legally as well as physically - then justice is served by depriving him of his right to live.  One of the functions of the justice system is to determine which rights one loses when he fails to exercise his responsibilities.
 
2014-06-26 11:34:31 AM  

cherryl taggart: roc6783: AverageAmericanGuy: When I first heard this story on the radio, I felt really bad because I had thought of all the times I could have gotten distracted and forgotten my kid in the car on a hot sunny day. Luckily, that never happened. He's 9 now and would give me hell if I tried to leave him in the car.

But now this? I see the pictures of the kid, and I am dying a little inside. I can't imagine the kind of farked up person that father must be for seriously contemplating killing the boy and then going through with it.

An accident, I can understand. And for a couple days I sympathized. Today, all I can muster is anger and hate.

I frequently joke that my billion dollar invention is a tranquilizer gun for use on kids with no side effects other than an instant 2 hour nap. My proposed tagline, "All the fun of shooting your kids with none of the side effects." This piece of filth makes me feel really bad for making a tasteless joke.

By any chance, would you have a dosage for mouthy teens or dreadful bosses?  I'm asking for a friend.


Besides the obvious, real consequences issues, here are the 2 big ones with such a device:
1. I am lazy, and wouldn't spend the time to do it.

2. Everyone would give me all the money, and then start tranquilizing everyone, all the time. Then I would end up in a version of that movie Envy, and that movie sucked, except Christopher Walken.
 
2014-06-26 11:37:33 AM  
Taxbongo:

It is never right for us to take a life out of spite.

On this point, you are correct.

One of the times where I universally support the death penalty is when dealing with serial rapists, serial killers, and mass murderers. And the reason is simple: They have proven that they will be a danger to society for as long as they live. They cannot be rehabilitated, and they can never be released from jail without putting the public in danger. Therefore, there is no point in paying for their room and board for 50 years.

All others need to be taken on a case-by-case basis. Obviously, if you have a 1st-Degree Murder case where the evidence is irrefutable, and the evidence shows that the convict will commit more murder if ever released, then it's probably best to eliminate them permanently.
 
2014-06-26 11:40:40 AM  
Fark dude there's a ton of people like my wife and I who want kids but haven't been able to have them yet. farking find a couple like us and do the adoption thing. You'll never have to see you're kid again if it's such a bad thing.
 
2014-06-26 11:41:06 AM  

Loreweaver: One of the times where I universally support the death penalty is when dealing with serial rapists, serial killers, and mass murderers. And the reason is simple: They have proven that they will be a danger to society for as long as they live. They cannot be rehabilitated, and they can never be released from jail without putting the public in danger. Therefore, there is no point in paying for their room and board for 50 years.


So we're killing them because we're cheapskates.  What about a chronic alcoholic arrested for his 50th DUI?  What about a serial con man?  Both of those people are also dangers to society.  They can't be rehabilitated, and the moment they're released from jail they'll be finding a scotch and a subaru or a suburbanite to rip off.  Why should I have to pay for their room and board for 50 years?
 
2014-06-26 11:41:31 AM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: I have just always assumed that the phenomenon of the "l'il sizzler," whereby a parent "accidentally forgets" their kid in a hot car, then looks appropriately glum and remorseful, followed by a DA not bringing charges against them because they've "suffered enough already" is nothing more than a unofficially socially acceptable method of postnatal abortion. I just assumed there was some unspoken rule amongst people with kids that if you want to get rid of your squalling crotchspawn, pulling a l'il sizzler was the way to do it.

Because I still can't figure out--even after reading Gene Weingarten's Pulitzer-winning article about it--how in the fark anyone can forget a kid in a car. You're telling me that after shoveling the crapload of weird supplies you need for a kid (diapers, snacks, wipes, juice, DVD player and Baby Einstein CD, stuffed toys, etc.) in the car, along with a huge honking car seat, and then driving around with a dribbling, excreting, screaming thing throwing toys and body fluids around, that you "just forget" about it? I call shenanigans. People do this on purpose.


So much THIS.  I've always wondered about that too and thought it was on purpose.  Way too easy if you want to dispose of the kid because, as you said, no one blames the parents because they've "suffered enough."
 
2014-06-26 11:43:09 AM  
Thank goodness these assholes are not very smart.
 
2014-06-26 11:43:50 AM  
For anyone questioning whether it was before or after the kid was dead, it was on his work computer, which means it was before the kid was dead.
 
2014-06-26 11:50:53 AM  
I'm anti-death penalty, but in this case I'll make an exception.
 
2014-06-26 11:58:14 AM  

bunner: As for all the psychologists who make a tidy sum stumping to turn slimy SOB's like this into lab rats instead of mulch, you do so because you chose to study this sort of sick f*ck and, frankly, unless you have no conscience whatsoever, you do so because you have a morbid fascination with such trash.  Which puts you about 2 MMPPI graph aberrations on the side of the bars without the toilet.  And you get paid for it.  Sort of like cops and thugs.  And yet, for all this fine toothed combing of slimy, remorseless, clinical narcissists, we still seem to have no dearth of them.


Bunner, you're on my favorites list, but this is one of the dumbest posts I've ever read. Did you mean it or are your emotions just getting the best of you?

Psychologists have been studying these "slimy SOBs" for a host of reasons. The one I like most is: in the hopes of recognizing future slimy SOBs *before* they kill, and intervening before innocents die.

Yeah, your method sounds real tough on crime and great. What does it do for Johnny 2054? He still dies. Because *you* never fixed the sickness, you just killed the patient.

We've been studying these people for, what, maybe 150 years? We've been *seriously* studying them for maybe 70 years? And you're seriously dismissing psychology? Shiat man, how many *centuries* did it take for us to go from leeches to penicillin? Are you f*ckin' kidding me?
 
2014-06-26 12:07:34 PM  

pueblonative: CheekyMonkey: Taxbongo: kling_klang_bed: I know someone who's gonna be getting tossed over the rails in prison, and kudos to whoever does it to this subhuman waste of sperm and egg. WTF kind of monster does this to ANY kid, much less their own?!?! I'll just take a wild guess and say he's just vile on a biological level.

Taking pleasure in death even when you feel it is warranted is sick. We are better than this.

Pfft.  Read the comments in this thread.  You might be "better than this" but most people aren't.

They just wait for the "right" reason to jack off about a human being getting executed, tortured, and raped by people who all these self righteous members of the moral umbrage brigade would flee in terror from if they saw them coming down the street.

/if he's guilty lock him away for life
//hug your kid
///be a better human and role model for your kid than either this guy allegedly or the verbal sadists in this thread.


Don't get me wrong - I that that if he's guilty, he deserves to die.  I just don't agree with those who would condemn him to a painful and prolonged death.

\my only issue with the death penalty is that out justice system is pretty damn flawed, and waaaay too many innocent people are being wrongly convicted
\\premeditated murder of one's own child is one of those offenses where the perpetrator does not deserve to live
 
2014-06-26 12:07:44 PM  

cryinoutloud: ......and here's the poor kid.

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This just hurts. Poor little guy, to imagine what this kid went through, not understanding a single second of the suffering he's experiencing, completely helpless to do anything...

/Damn anger dust...
 
2014-06-26 12:14:08 PM  

MythDragon: Taxbongo: kling_klang_bed: I know someone who's gonna be getting tossed over the rails in prison, and kudos to whoever does it to this subhuman waste of sperm and egg. WTF kind of monster does this to ANY kid, much less their own?!?! I'll just take a wild guess and say he's just vile on a biological level.

Taking pleasure in death even when you feel it is warranted is sick. We are better than this.


Funny you should post *that* page. Without posting the one from the next chapter where that same guy (Rick) himself commits cold-blooded murder. Or the part later where he admits "you kill, you die" isn't going to work. Mostly he admits that to absolve himself, of course. But he's also right.

You'd have done better to post the chapter where the deranged kid kills his own brother and is subsequently executed by Carl. You'd still be wrong, applying the standards of a brutal world to ours (which has the resources for compassion), but it would have been a stronger argument.
 
2014-06-26 12:17:29 PM  

pueblonative: So we're killing them because we're cheapskates.  What about a chronic alcoholic arrested for his 50th DUI?  What about a serial con man?  Both of those people are also dangers to society.  They can't be rehabilitated, and the moment they're released from jail they'll be finding a scotch and a subaru or a suburbanite to rip off.  Why should I have to pay for their room and board for 50 years?


It's not about being a cheapskate, it's that I have a problem with paying to support someone who is actively looking for the chance to kill or rape the people I care about. You will also note that I am referring to serial murderers and rapists, crimes which are intentional, for which the convict is obviously not remorseful, AND cannot be undone. You trying to equate drunk drivers and scam artists to these kinds of crimes is disingenuous.

Sure, the DUI guy could kill someone. And, if he did kill someone with his car, yet still chose to drink and drive, then I would be happy to see him brought up on attempted murder charges. But, even then, if the guy is remorseful, then there is a good chance of rehabilitation through a prolonged stay in jail, with appropriate counseling. I would gladly pay my fair share for that.
 
2014-06-26 12:17:45 PM  
I am thinking the kid had always been dead. Something happened and he killed the kid. He looked up how long does it take for dogs to die in cars because he needed it to look plausible for when he cried that he had left the kid in the car and the child died because of it. He bought food for his son because he needed it to look like the child was still alive at that moment.

As far motivations go, did he have an insurance policy on his son? Or did he see all these stories of people going through tragedies opening donation accounts and watched as people raked it in and that was his plan too. Is this a money thing? Is he going through a divorce and wants to get back at the mother? Is he single father who no longer wants to be a father?

For the police to let information slip out it must have been awful. Like they wanted people to stop feeling sorry for him and let them know that he is a monster. Which is maybe why I think he was going to go for the donation thing. The cops let it slip so people wouldn't start collecting donations.
 
2014-06-26 12:19:34 PM  

bunner: Once upon a time, briefly, in America, there was justice, common sense, compassion, dignity, honesty and happy endings that occurred someplace besides a cinema screen.  *sigh*


Horseshiat. Overall the country (the world) is a better, safer place than ever before. There's no point, and potentially a lot of harm, in painting the past as some paradise lost. Norman Rockwell painted his America in tiny, deeply personal scenes because that's the only level on which what you posit has ever existed.
 
2014-06-26 12:19:45 PM  

metaskie: I'm a very forgetful person, so I was sympathizing with him. I found it plausible that it could have been an honest (very very horrible) mistake. I also thought that prison time was too much and that he would be harder on himself for the rest of his life than any court could ever be.

Then they pulled his work computer. His arms and legs should be shattered and improperly set, then put in prison with rapists and murderers. My wife and I are having trouble getting pregnant, yet farking monsters like this can have kids they neither want nor deserve. fark this planet.

/in school for computer forensics
//this removed any doubts I might want to do something different


Do they actually offer a degree in that or is it a certificate?
 
2014-06-26 12:22:54 PM  
Hey! I've got an idea...

cdn8.openculture.com
 
2014-06-26 12:24:20 PM  

Loreweaver: You trying to equate drunk drivers and scam artists to these kinds of crimes is disingenuous.


Wanna tell that to the person who's loved one just got killed by a drunk driver?  Or how about the victims of Bernie Madoff, I could make a much better case that the death penalty would act as more of a deterrent to white collar criminals like Bernie than a person who has coldly calculated the death of another person.  Or unless this isn't about deterrence and just about everybody wanting their chance to hold the business side of a weapon.


Sure, the DUI guy could kill someone. And, if he did kill someone with his car, yet still chose to drink and drive, then I would be happy to see him brought up on attempted murder charges. But, even then, if the guy is remorseful, then there is a good chance of rehabilitation through a prolonged stay in jail, with appropriate counseling. I would gladly pay my fair share for that.

And if this guy is remorseful, would you give him that same shot?  Or are we victim judging at this point?
 
2014-06-26 12:25:26 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: sno man: Every once in a while one of these come along and you wish for eye-for-an-eye punishment.  Lock this guy in his car, in an adult sized car seat, all strapped in for safety. Make sure it in a sunny spot, roll up the windows, lock the doors and walk away. Bye waster of O2

Or, just put him in gen pop in prison, nature will take its course.


I am more a fan of clever forms of punishment. I like the "locked in a hot car in the desert heat" method. Gen-pop is too cliche.
 
2014-06-26 12:28:24 PM  

kling_klang_bed: MythDragon: Taxbongo: kling_klang_bed: I know someone who's gonna be getting tossed over the rails in prison, and kudos to whoever does it to this subhuman waste of sperm and egg. WTF kind of monster does this to ANY kid, much less their own?!?! I'll just take a wild guess and say he's just vile on a biological level.

Taking pleasure in death even when you feel it is warranted is sick. We are better than this.


[images.sequart.org image 660x458]

Or something more like:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvedSvJWT60


Right, so now we're justifying the death penalty using the logic of comic book psychotics! There's a solid argument.
 
2014-06-26 12:36:01 PM  

Banned on the Run: Hey! I've got an idea...

[cdn8.openculture.com image 635x440]


Awwwwwwwwwww the good old days! Or how's about a good old fashioned Blood Eagle?
 
2014-06-26 12:36:59 PM  

brimed03: kling_klang_bed: MythDragon: Taxbongo: kling_klang_bed: I know someone who's gonna be getting tossed over the rails in prison, and kudos to whoever does it to this subhuman waste of sperm and egg. WTF kind of monster does this to ANY kid, much less their own?!?! I'll just take a wild guess and say he's just vile on a biological level.

Taking pleasure in death even when you feel it is warranted is sick. We are better than this.


[images.sequart.org image 660x458]

Or something more like:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvedSvJWT60

Right, so now we're justifying the death penalty using the logic of comic book psychotics! There's a solid argument.


Sounds 'terra firma' to me!
 
2014-06-26 12:37:16 PM  

Electric_Banana: doyner: Solid State Vittles: Is Firefox his preferred browser?

Yes. And he also puts ketchup on hot dogs.

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Nobody, and I mean nobody, puts ketchup on a hot dog.


www.antifoodie.com
 
2014-06-26 12:39:03 PM  

DeadPuppySociety: TuteTibiImperes: sno man: Every once in a while one of these come along and you wish for eye-for-an-eye punishment.  Lock this guy in his car, in an adult sized car seat, all strapped in for safety. Make sure it in a sunny spot, roll up the windows, lock the doors and walk away. Bye waster of O2

Or, just put him in gen pop in prison, nature will take its course.

Yeah, he doesn't look like he'll be able to handle prison life very well, especially with that crime. Dudes life is about to really, really suck.


Maybe, to this point, it has already and he took it out on the kid.
 
2014-06-26 12:41:20 PM  
In some situations the legal concept should be 'guilty until proven innocent'. This is one of them.
 
2014-06-26 12:43:31 PM  

kling_klang_bed: Banned on the Run: Hey! I've got an idea...

[cdn8.openculture.com image 635x440]

Awwwwwwwwwww the good old days! Or how's about a good old fashioned Blood Eagle?


Catherine Wheel came to mind for me.

Even if they find him not guilty, his life is pretty much ruined, as well as that of his wife.  That's the least of the punishment he'll get, I suppose.
 
2014-06-26 12:50:42 PM  

picturescrazy: Fark dude there's a ton of people like my wife and I who want kids but haven't been able to have them yet. farking find a couple like us and do the adoption thing. You'll never have to see you're kid again if it's such a bad thing.


It may have only been dad that didn't want the kid any more. The police interviewed the mom and so far haven't made any announcements that would suggest that she was involved in any way. Dad may have felt trapped in being in a parental role he didn't want. And of all the options available to him, he took pretty much the worst one. Can't even imagine what kind of mental anguish the kid's mother is going through now.
 
2014-06-26 12:52:59 PM  

HelloNeuman: In some situations the legal concept should be 'guilty until proven innocent'. This is one of them.


Which would lead to a rash of people's children being killed and the parents framed for the murder. And since they're guilty by default, all you'd have to do is make sure to do it when they have no alibi.

Not a good move at all.
 
2014-06-26 12:53:41 PM  

pueblonative: Loreweaver: You trying to equate drunk drivers and scam artists to these kinds of crimes is disingenuous.

Wanna tell that to the person who's loved one just got killed by a drunk driver?  Or how about the victims of Bernie Madoff, I could make a much better case that the death penalty would act as more of a deterrent to white collar criminals like Bernie than a person who has coldly calculated the death of another person.  Or unless this isn't about deterrence and just about everybody wanting their chance to hold the business side of a weapon.


Sure, the DUI guy could kill someone. And, if he did kill someone with his car, yet still chose to drink and drive, then I would be happy to see him brought up on attempted murder charges. But, even then, if the guy is remorseful, then there is a good chance of rehabilitation through a prolonged stay in jail, with appropriate counseling. I would gladly pay my fair share for that.


a) A drunk driver who kills someone is guilty of negligent homicide, the first time it happens. If he does it again, then it becomes murder (willful criminal negligence)

b) The sentencing for the drunk driver would depend heavily on his motivation and remorse (or lack thereof), as I already explained in my last post

c) Bernie Madoff isn't going to be ripping off anyone else ever again, even after he is released from jail.

d) Bernie's victims are being compensated, even if they are not able to recover all of their losses.

And if this guy is remorseful, would you give him that same shot?  Or are we victim judging at this point?

 e) I assume you are now talking about the guy in TFA? If so, since I have not advocated the death penalty for him, your accusation against me is unfounded. The question of remorse in that case has yet to be determined, and neither have his motivations behind this crime. Motivation and remorse are key considerations in the sentencing for any crime, IMHO.

Again, you are attempting to equate things which are not the same.
 
2014-06-26 12:57:34 PM  

freetomato: kling_klang_bed: Banned on the Run: Hey! I've got an idea...

[cdn8.openculture.com image 635x440]

Awwwwwwwwwww the good old days! Or how's about a good old fashioned Blood Eagle?

Catherine Wheel came to mind for me.

Even if they find him not guilty, his life is pretty much ruined, as well as that of his wife.  That's the least of the punishment he'll get, I suppose.


Good band btw (Catherine Wheel).
Well, don't forget too, if he does by some miracle go free (this isn't FL we're talking about here, otherwise they'd derp the case and let him go scott free), he's gonna be a marked man, no doubt. He's going to be living a life of eternal fear either which way.
 
2014-06-26 01:00:38 PM  
Lots of armchair quarterbacks on Fark. If I didn't know any better, I'd have a serious hate-on for the guy, too. I don't know Justin personally, but I have friends in church here in Tuscaloosa who are either related to him or have known him as a friend for years. Here is what I've learned from talking to them:

1. Justin is a loving, Christian man, and a doting father.  He loved Cooper, and they have come up with no motive for why he would have done this intentionally.
2. Taking Cooper was not part of his regular routine. There is a daycare at the Home Depot... Justin works in a satellite office and the daycare is across the street from where he works.
3. CNN did a re-enactment where they placed the childseat face forward in the center of the backseat, where it would have been impossible not to notice in the rearview mirror. In actuality, the childseat was facing backwards and was behind the driver's seat.
4. The SUV is heavily tinted. Justin put something in his car during lunch. It's conceivable he didn't see Cooper at that time.
5. When he pulled over a few miles from work, he told witnesses his child was choking, and asked for help.  When I was 23, I found my uncle dead on the ground from a heart attack. He was obviously dead. The first thing I did was run into the house and tell my aunt to call 911 because he "had fallen".  The first thing she did when she called 911, while we were standing over the corpse, was tell the operator that my uncle was choking and ask for help clearing his throat. He was dead. Purple. We just didn't want to say the words.
6.  Justin was originally charged with murder.  The new warrant filed late Tuesday downgrades one charge against Harris from first-degree child cruelty to second-degree child cruelty. First-degree cruelty to children requires that a person "willfully deprives the child necessary sustenance," while second-degree cruelty to children is caused by "criminal negligence" under Georgia law.
7. Some of this zeal seems to be because some of this is new law passed last year in Georgia, and this is their first opportunity to spotlight it.
8. An IT friend of his family said the "search" on Justin's work computer was from a Reddit article he clicked on, about a dog dying in a hot car. Reading a story counts as a search. Think about that for a second, and think what may be in your own "search" history.
9. This long story from the Washington Post explains how this kind of thing happens by accident 13-15 times a year: http://m.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/magazine/fatal-distraction-forg e tting-a-child-in-thebackseat-of-a-car-is-a-horrifying-mistake-is-it-a- crime/2014/06/16/8ae0fe3a-f580-11e3-a3a5-42be35962a52_story.html. It's been posted in this thread, but I don't think very many have read it. It's truly enlightening.

Personally, if it was me, I'd probably ask for lethal injection just because I wouldn't want to live knowing what I did by accident. The story above tells about one father who tried to grab the gun of the first cop that showed up, with the intention of shooting himself.  It's not something most people could live with. It's a terrible tragedy no matter how you look at it. I'm withholding judgement until I hear something that says it was intentional, or at least had some kind of motive to do it. Until then, I'll believe it was a horrible accident, and my condolences go to Justin and his family.
 
2014-06-26 01:05:27 PM  

BSABSVR: I too am disgusted at this man's appalling lack of respect for the life of another. Let me show my disgust with murder by writing a seven paragraph fantasy about what parts of him should be pulled off of him while he is flayed to death.


WIN.

All the sadists ITT reveling in masturbatory fantasies about exactly how they would show thus guy "justice" can STFU now. You're not better than the guy in tfa.
 
2014-06-26 01:11:15 PM  
Doesn't change much. The person negligent enough to leave their kid in a car on accident isn't any better than the person malicious enough to do it on purpose.
 
2014-06-26 01:11:18 PM  
www.rawstory.com
 
2014-06-26 01:12:54 PM  

Triumph: My Chevy, my choice.


And this is why I shouldn't read fark threads on the toilet at work. The guy in the stall next to me is probably seriously wondering about why I would bust out laughing like that.
 
2014-06-26 01:16:13 PM  

LazyMedia: Are there really adult-sized car seats? I think those are just called car seats.


The racing industry should be able to whip up an equivalent in a few hours.  It'd even be nice and comfortable for certain definitions of comfortable.  It'd also keep him safe in a 100mph crash.  The side effect is that he's not getting out without assistance.

PunGent: We could trim him down to fit a kid-sized one.


The trimming wouldn't allow him to last long enough
 
2014-06-26 01:21:20 PM  

Kangaroo_Ralph: Lots of armchair quarterbacks on Fark. If I didn't know any better, I'd have a serious hate-on for the guy, too. I don't know Justin personally, but I have friends in church here in Tuscaloosa who are either related to him or have known him as a friend for years. Here is what I've learned from talking to them:

1. Justin is a loving, Christian man, and a doting father.  He loved Cooper, and they have come up with no motive for why he would have done this intentionally.
2. Taking Cooper was not part of his regular routine. There is a daycare at the Home Depot... Justin works in a satellite office and the daycare is across the street from where he works.
3. CNN did a re-enactment where they placed the childseat face forward in the center of the backseat, where it would have been impossible not to notice in the rearview mirror. In actuality, the childseat was facing backwards and was behind the driver's seat.
4. The SUV is heavily tinted. Justin put something in his car during lunch. It's conceivable he didn't see Cooper at that time.
5. When he pulled over a few miles from work, he told witnesses his child was choking, and asked for help.  When I was 23, I found my uncle dead on the ground from a heart attack. He was obviously dead. The first thing I did was run into the house and tell my aunt to call 911 because he "had fallen".  The first thing she did when she called 911, while we were standing over the corpse, was tell the operator that my uncle was choking and ask for help clearing his throat. He was dead. Purple. We just didn't want to say the words.
6.  Justin was originally charged with murder.  The new warrant filed late Tuesday downgrades one charge against Harris from first-degree child cruelty to second-degree child cruelty. First-degree cruelty to children requires that a person "willfully deprives the child necessary sustenance," while second-degree cruelty to children is caused by "criminal negligence" under Georgia law.
7. Some of this zeal seems to be because some of this is new law passed last year in Georgia, and this is their first opportunity to spotlight it.
8. An IT friend of his family said the "search" on Justin's work computer was from a Reddit article he clicked on, about a dog dying in a hot car. Reading a story counts as a search. Think about that for a second, and think what may be in your own "search" history.
9. This long story from the Washington Post explains how this kind of thing happens by accident 13-15 times a year: http://m.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/magazine/fatal-distraction-forg e tting-a-child-in-thebackseat-of-a-car-is-a-horrifying-mistake-is-it-a- crime/2014/06/16/8ae0fe3a-f580-11e3-a3a5-42be35962a52_story.html. It's been posted in this thread, but I don't think very many have read it. It's truly enlightening.

Personally, if it was me, I'd probably ask for lethal injection just because I wouldn't want to live knowing what I did by accident. The story above tells about one father who tried to grab the gun of the first cop that showed up, with the intention of shooting himself.  It's not something most people could live with. It's a terrible tragedy no matter how you look at it. I'm withholding judgement until I hear something that says it was intentional, or at least had some kind of motive to do it. Until then, I'll believe it was a horrible accident, and my condolences go to Justin and his family.


I hope this is all true and it was a horrible accident. Thanks for the insider insights.
 
2014-06-26 01:22:08 PM  

filter: As a parent, this ruins my day.


So much THIS.
 
2014-06-26 01:23:09 PM  

tlars699: jshine: If true, it suggests that this was a premeditated murder, and this person should go to prison for a very, very long time.

...but what's really scary is how bloodthirsty people on Fark appear to be.  Good lord, I'm glad we've got police and prisons to cow you all into behaving in a civilized way, because I'd be terrified to see what half of the posters here would be like if left to their own devices in some sort of post-apocalyptic anarchy scenario.  The Eighth amendment exists for a reason: because we're supposed to at least try to behave better than criminals -- not invent the most gruesome possible revenge fantasies and outdo the savagery of the criminals we punish.

You really think they would actually enact this? Hell, even if they were given all of the tools and time and freedom necessary, they look at you, look at him, and look at you and say,
"You know what? He's not worth it."

Like Bilbo and Gollum.


Interesting example. Except Bilbo didn't say of Gollum "he's not worth it." He spared Gollum (a) because he still saw a divine/intelligent spark in him and (b) he believed in Gollum's potential redemption. A redemption that might have happened if not for Sam's taunting and brutality, or the "betrayal" forced by Faramir and his company.

You might be right that folks here wouldn't carry out the revenge fantasies they've written here. But Bilbo is not their archetype.

I also disagree that most of them would turn away based on "he isn't worth it." I think most of them would turn away in horror of what they were about to do-- in recognition of how it would scar their own souls, and diminish their own humanity.

And some, I think, would turn away for the same reason they're writing these fantasies: in this guy they recognize, on some level, a kindred spirit. Not that they would necessarily commit this kind of crime. But we are all capable of the very best and the very worst things ever done. And some folks here know their dark side is closer to the surface than is comfortable, and it terrifies them. And when they see it break free in others, they react with all the savagery of their own terror about themselves.
 
2014-06-26 01:27:14 PM  

Kangaroo_Ralph: Lots of armchair quarterbacks on Fark. If I didn't know any better, I'd have a serious hate-on for the guy, too. I don't know Justin personally, but I have friends in church here in Tuscaloosa who are either related to him or have known him as a friend for years. Here is what I've learned from talking to them:

1. Justin is a loving, Christian man, and a doting father.  He loved Cooper, and they have come up with no motive for why he would have done this intentionally.


We read this about almost everyone who snaps and kills someone. People can rarely believe that someone they have known for years is capable of such things. Establishing motive is important, but not necessary, since motive cannot always be identified. Material evidence trumps it every time. It is beginning to sound like the material evidence is adding up.

The rest of your post is near-erfect armchair quarterbacking. I don't think you will ever convince anyone that a "loving, Christian man, and a doting father" could "forget" his child was strapped in the back seat of a car, in 90+ deg. weather, for seven hours. No one is that forgetful especially when it comes to his child. The Cobb County police aren't buying his story and neither am I.
 
2014-06-26 01:29:40 PM  

Kangaroo_Ralph: 8. An IT friend of his family said the "search" on Justin's work computer was from a Reddit article he clicked on, about a dog dying in a hot car. Reading a story counts as a search. Think about that for a second, and think what may be in your own "search" history.


Most articles say "searches".
I'll grant this could be media sensationalism, but it would be nice if they would release what the actual findings are in relation to this piece of evidence.
/still get choked up thinking about that poor kid.
 
2014-06-26 01:31:10 PM  

HelloNeuman: In some situations the legal concept should be 'guilty until proven innocent'. This is one of them.



images.sodahead.com

/ I accuse HelloNeuman!
 
2014-06-26 01:31:30 PM  

JackieRabbit: No one is that forgetful especially when it comes to his child.


You mean except for he 15-25 times a year it does happen, right? I got the numbers wrong in my post.
 
2014-06-26 01:34:14 PM  
I think i'll decline to call for this guy's punishment until we know more from actual legit sources. Like a court of law or official inquiry or something like that.

"Search history" could be anything.

This is kind of Internet 101, isn't it?
 
2014-06-26 01:35:05 PM  

SundaesChild: 3. CNN did a re-enactment where they placed the childseat face forward in the center of the backseat, where it would have been impossible not to notice in the rearview mirror. In actuality, the childseat was facing backwards and was behind the driver's seat.
4. The SUV is heavily tinted. Justin put something in his car during lunch. It's conceivable he didn't see Cooper at that time.
5. When he pulled over a few miles from work, he told witnesses his child was choking, and asked for help. When I was 23, I found my uncle dead on the ground from a heart attack. He was obviously dead. The first thing I did was run into the house and tell my aunt to call 911 because he "had fallen". The first thing she did when she called 911, while we were standing over the corpse, was tell the operator that my uncle was choking and ask for help clearing his throat. He was dead. Purple. We just didn't want to say the words.


Hold on a second...
If he wasn't able to see his son in the rear view mirror because he was behind his seat, how would he have known the child was choking and pull over, as by then the child would have been dead and not making any noises similar to gasping for air..?
How would he have even know the child was back there at all?
Sorry but things just aren't adding up.
 
2014-06-26 01:37:11 PM  
I quoted the wrong person above, sorry Sundae.
 
2014-06-26 01:37:30 PM  

RocketRay: I'm anti-death penalty, but in this case I'll make an exception.


Then you're not anti-death penalty.  You just maybe think that the death penalty should be more restricted.

However, having read a number of DP cases, I'd say that at least half of them were WORSE than this, assuming worst case.

brimed03: We've been studying these people for, what, maybe 150 years? We've been *seriously* studying them for maybe 70 years? And you're seriously dismissing psychology? Shiat man, how many *centuries* did it take for us to go from leeches to penicillin? Are you f*ckin' kidding me?


Indeed.  I support studying murderers in order to figure out how to find and treat them before they kill people.  I wouldn't even give the field 70 years of credit.  A lot of the research from the 1950s-1970s turned out to be incredibly flawed, so I'd say that we're looking more at the 90's for effective research.  Though I'm not sure how much effective study has been done on mothers who kill their own kids.

25 years is still a fair bit of time *today*, but it turns out the field is incredibly hard.  You need a test that has an extremely tiny false-positive rate.
 
2014-06-26 01:38:44 PM  

tlars699: Taxbongo: poison_amy: Taxbongo: 22 months?

Forgive me, I am unsure of the life cycle of toddlers, but at what age do they begin to speak? I am just curious if the 22 month old was conscience or not of what was happening.

22 month old kids are walking, talking, and figuring stuff out. They had eaten at a restaurant five minutes away, so the kid was wide awake and probably talking a mile a minute. They are also developing logic and he probably tried very hard to get out of his carseat, but likely lacked the fine motor skills and strength.

damn

And probably cried/screamed when Daddy walked away. and did so until he become hoarse or fell asleep.


sadly, it is much much worse than that

read that gene Weingarten article from the Washington post if you want to feel like crying for the rest of the day
 
2014-06-26 01:40:26 PM  

ChaosStar: I quoted the wrong person above, sorry Sundae.


Acknowledged, thank you.
 
2014-06-26 01:45:13 PM  

Kangaroo_Ralph: Lots of armchair quarterbacks on Fark. If I didn't know any better, I'd have a serious hate-on for the guy, too. I don't know Justin personally, but I have friends in church here in Tuscaloosa who are either related to him or have known him as a friend for years. Here is what I've learned from talking to them:

1. Justin is a loving, Christian man, and a doting father.  He loved Cooper, and they have come up with no motive for why he would have done this intentionally.
2. Taking Cooper was not part of his regular routine. There is a daycare at the Home Depot... Justin works in a satellite office and the daycare is across the street from where he works.
3. CNN did a re-enactment where they placed the childseat face forward in the center of the backseat, where it would have been impossible not to notice in the rearview mirror. In actuality, the childseat was facing backwards and was behind the driver's seat.
4. The SUV is heavily tinted. Justin put something in his car during lunch. It's conceivable he didn't see Cooper at that time.
5. When he pulled over a few miles from work, he told witnesses his child was choking, and asked for help.  When I was 23, I found my uncle dead on the ground from a heart attack. He was obviously dead. The first thing I did was run into the house and tell my aunt to call 911 because he "had fallen".  The first thing she did when she called 911, while we were standing over the corpse, was tell the operator that my uncle was choking and ask for help clearing his throat. He was dead. Purple. We just didn't want to say the words.
6.  Justin was originally charged with murder.  The new warrant filed late Tuesday downgrades one charge against Harris from first-degree child cruelty to second-degree child cruelty. First-degree cruelty to children requires that a person "willfully deprives the child necessary sustenance," while second-degree cruelty to children is caused by "criminal negligence" under Georgia law.
7. Some of this zeal seems to be ...


This seems to be the big problem for him right now, though. The reason the police were suspicious to start with was that the smell in the car was apparently overwhelming. I'm not sure when a dead body baking at 150 degrees starts to smell, but I do know that it's nearly certain the 22 month old defecated at some point and that had been cooking all afternoon. How then does he drive 1.5 miles before realizing what's up? I'm hoping there is a reasonable explanation, but dang, that's hard to explain.

On the other hand, it's nearly unheard of for a parent to murder his own child with premeditation. When it happens, it nearly always a parent that did something in a fit of anger or frustration. With no evident motive, it's really hard to believe an apparently loving parent would ever even conceive of such evil. Even with a motive, it's hard to imagine, for that matter.
 
2014-06-26 01:56:50 PM  

dv-ous: Speech doesn't indicate consciousness.


jedi.org
 
2014-06-26 02:12:57 PM  

Taxbongo: I'm not the one who is pissed that a black man is in the White House


Worst projection troll, ever.  :  )  No points awarded.  The people who come here to peacock their ostensible superiority always end up sh*tting the bed.
 
2014-06-26 02:15:33 PM  

brimed03: There's no point, and potentially a lot of harm, in painting the past as some paradise lost.


I'm not.  But I was around when, by and large, rude, hateful, violent arrogant sh*tbag wasn't the new Led Zeppelin T-Shirt.  People could "say what they really mean" 1,000 times a day without it = being a dick.
 
2014-06-26 02:16:44 PM  
Sounds like he was being a responsible father to determine just how long he could safely leave his son before bringing him a bowl of water and cracking the window.
/s


Perhaps they can get creative with his punishment, like say locking him in a car for a week.
 
2014-06-26 02:19:39 PM  

brimed03: bunner: As for all the psychologists who make a tidy sum stumping to turn slimy SOB's like this into lab rats instead of mulch, you do so because you chose to study this sort of sick f*ck and, frankly, unless you have no conscience whatsoever, you do so because you have a morbid fascination with such trash.  Which puts you about 2 MMPPI graph aberrations on the side of the bars without the toilet.  And you get paid for it.  Sort of like cops and thugs.  And yet, for all this fine toothed combing of slimy, remorseless, clinical narcissists, we still seem to have no dearth of them.

Bunner, you're on my favorites list, but this is one of the dumbest posts I've ever read.


I don't think either one of us needs any favors, then..

Did you mean it or are your emotions just getting the best of you?

Psychologists have been studying these "slimy SOBs" for a host of reasons. The one I like most is: in the hopes of recognizing future slimy SOBs *before* they kill, and intervening before innocents die.

Yeah, your method
- (see last paragraph) -sounds real tough on crime and great. What does it do for Johnny 2054? He still dies. Because *you* never fixed the sickness, you just killed the patient.

Gleefully.  there's a tipping point on the ROI of having coffee with psychos and just shutting them off.

We've been studying these people for, what, maybe 150 years? We've been *seriously* studying them for maybe 70 years? And you're seriously dismissing psychology? Shiat man, how many *centuries* did it take for us to go from leeches to penicillin? Are you f*ckin' kidding me?

And You just put enough straw on my lawn to feed a horse.  We all have our shortcomings.
 
2014-06-26 02:20:19 PM  

Kangaroo_Ralph: 8. An IT friend of his family said the "search" on Justin's work computer was from a Reddit article he clicked on, about a dog dying in a hot car. Reading a story counts as a search. Think about that for a second, and think what may be in your own "search" history.


If that's the case, anybody reporting it as a "search" should be ashamed of themselves.
Would be nice if you had a better source than "An IT friend of his family".  Jimmy's such a nice boy.  He helped delete all that malware off of Grandma's Windows XP machine.
 
2014-06-26 02:22:08 PM  

Kangaroo_Ralph: JackieRabbit: No one is that forgetful especially when it comes to his child.

You mean except for he 15-25 times a year it does happen, right? I got the numbers wrong in my post.


You mean the 15-25 times per year (the source of this claim, in the mostly anecdotal piece, is not cited) when parents claim to have forgotten and there is no evidence to refute the claim. Maybe is does very rarely happen, when the parent involved isn't the primary care-giver of the child. But this guy was looking up how long it takes animals to die in a closed car on his work computer while his son was in the car. Yet what if these two facts are not really connected?. What if his internet search was coincidental? Don't you think that at some point during this search he would have had a eureka moment? The local media is reporting more details. On his way to work, he stopped at a Chic-Fil-A - with the boy - and had breakfast. He then put him back in his car seat and drove less than one mile to work -- where there is an on-site daycare center. He had placed the car seat in the middle of the back seat. At lunchtime, he admitted having gone to his car to put something in it, entering from the driver-side door. But he didn't see a car seat that had been deliberately placed to be in clear view from the driver's seat. His story just doesn't add up at all.
 
2014-06-26 02:25:56 PM  

JackieRabbit: At lunchtime, he admitted having gone to his car to put something in it, entering from the driver-side door. But he didn't see a car seat that had been deliberately placed to be in clear view from the driver's seat


I don't think this particular claim holds water.  Something that's visible from a seated position in the driver's seat isn't necessarily visible from standing in the driver's side door.  If I need to stick something in my car real quick, I open the nearest door and toss whatever it is onto the seat, then turn back around.  I'm not likely to notice something that's been in the back seat all day.
 
2014-06-26 02:32:05 PM  

Pinko_Commie: A month later - Well what'ya kno?  Turns out he *was* telling the truth when he said he didn't do it and that the cops framed him, oh well, no harm done.


I don't think the most piss poor thug excuse for a cop ever would "frame" somebody for suffocating his own child.  Seriously.
 
2014-06-26 02:34:13 PM  

DeadPuppySociety: bunner: Once upon a time, briefly, in America, there was justice, common sense, compassion, dignity, honesty and happy endings that occurred someplace besides a cinema screen.  *sigh*

You are a farking lunatic.


Said the person who comes on to web forums to fling sh*t at people.  I'm all f*cked up about your Wal Mart  clearance aisle opinion.  No, really.  It's pills and a straight jacket for me.  *snort*
 
2014-06-26 02:44:18 PM  

Kangaroo_Ralph: Lots of armchair quarterbacks on Fark. If I didn't know any better, I'd have a serious hate-on for the guy, too. I don't know Justin personally, but I have friends in church here in Tuscaloosa who are either related to him or have known him as a friend for years. Here is what I've learned from talking to them:

1. Justin is a loving, Christian man, and a doting father.  He loved Cooper, and they have come up with no motive for why he would have done this intentionally.
2. Taking Cooper was not part of his regular routine. There is a daycare at the Home Depot... Justin works in a satellite office and the daycare is across the street from where he works.
3. CNN did a re-enactment where they placed the childseat face forward in the center of the backseat, where it would have been impossible not to notice in the rearview mirror. In actuality, the childseat was facing backwards and was behind the driver's seat.
4. The SUV is heavily tinted. Justin put something in his car during lunch. It's conceivable he didn't see Cooper at that time.
5. When he pulled over a few miles from work, he told witnesses his child was choking, and asked for help.  When I was 23, I found my uncle dead on the ground from a heart attack. He was obviously dead. The first thing I did was run into the house and tell my aunt to call 911 because he "had fallen".  The first thing she did when she called 911, while we were standing over the corpse, was tell the operator that my uncle was choking and ask for help clearing his throat. He was dead. Purple. We just didn't want to say the words.
6.  Justin was originally charged with murder.  The new warrant filed late Tuesday downgrades one charge against Harris from first-degree child cruelty to second-degree child cruelty. First-degree cruelty to children requires that a person "willfully deprives the child necessary sustenance," while second-degree cruelty to children is caused by "criminal negligence" under Georgia law.
7. Some of this zeal seems to be ...


I sincerely hope you & your friends are right, but I'm still having a hard time believing it was an accident (even after reading the Wash. Post article).

If taking his child to daycare was not his normal routine, then wouldn't *not* having dropped him off stand out in his mind? The Wash. Post article made it pretty clear things like sleep deprivation, stress, and minds-working-on-autopilot-due-to-routine played significant roles in those children's deaths. How could a guy doing something apparently out-of-the-ordinary suddenly forget to do said out-of-the-ordinary task from the time he took his son to breakfast to the time he walked into his office? And like I mentioned earlier, wouldn't he or his wife have received a call from the daycare that their son wasn't where he was supposed to be?

It's conceivable he didn't see his son in the backseat during lunch - but highly unlikely. A toddler who (apparently) ate a breakfast meal with his dad would have, but that time, soiled his diapers & needed a changing. I won't even get into how a deceased body smells after sitting in a heated, confined space all day. This guy would have to have no sense of smell whatsoever to ignore the stench. Even if he didn't *see* anything, he would most definitely have *smelled* something.

The investigation is ongoing, so I'll refrain from sharpening my pitchfork for now. But you have to admit the situation looks bad. And - sorry to say - but the whole idea that the father is too much of a 'loving, Christian man' is apropos of nothing. I've known non-religious people who were beautiful souls, and fine upstanding members of Christian society who were utter sociopaths (and very good at playing the 'but I'm a pillar of society!' card). But maybe I'm just really farking cynical.
 
2014-06-26 02:46:10 PM  

Kangaroo_Ralph: 1. Justin is a loving, Christian man, and a doting father. He loved Cooper, and they have come up with no motive for why he would have done this intentionally.


You know, my ex was a "loving Christian man, who loved his son, doting father" blah blah blah too. That's why he threatened to kill me when I left him, why he involved his dearly-beloved son in a 12-year custody battle that lasted practically until the day he turned 18 and ruined his entire childhood, why our son had to be put on anti-depressants when he was 14 because he'd already been diagnosed with major depression (which magically cleared up when he came to live with me), and why I have PTSD to this day from him stalking me.

Really--a totally cool guy. I especially don't trust people who run around proclaiming what good Christians they are. They're usually the biggest assholes on the planet.
 
2014-06-26 02:48:11 PM  

August11: My wife and I decided, for many reasons, to not have kids. I would have glady taken that child, though, and gave him the best shot at a good life.

I might need to turn off the internet. It reminds me that all humanity is not humanity.

I

 would have taken in that kid and given him a home, and I'm a broke college student who lives with her parents. F*ck, this is disgusting.
 
2014-06-26 02:49:42 PM  

cryinoutloud: I especially don't trust people who run around proclaiming what good Christians they are.


The "good Christians" are usually the ones saying "I'm probably f*cking this up, but I'm trying.  I hope I get better at it."  Pretty much anybody braying their piety can be dismissed wholesale.
 
2014-06-26 02:50:53 PM  
I read the Daily Mail article and wasn't too impressed -- lots of stuff from bystanders talking about how strange he was acting -- well, I can't even imagine how I'd act if I just realized something like that had happened. You have to have more solid grounds than "Well, he wasn't acting the way I think I would" to send a guy to prison. And it looks like we'll just have to wait to see what exactly "internet search" means here. I've read Gene Weingarten's article and it's very, very good -- I can easily see how someone who's out of their routine and whose child falls asleep in the back seat could go on autopilot.

However.

The smell. I remember one time when I was in a hurry to get out of the house for an appointment, I had three little kids with me, and the baby pooped her diaper at the last second. I changed her, gathered everything up, and got us all out of the house. We returned about four hours later, during which the day had become fairly hot (for Seattle) -- low eighties. I walked in the house and it was like being hit in the face with the smell; it wasn't a "time to take out the garbage" smell, it was absolutely noxious and filled the entire house, we were practically gagging. It turned out that in my hurry I'd forgotten to put the dirty diaper in the diaper pail, and it had been sitting out the whole morning. A car that's been sitting in the sun all day would be much, much hotter than my house was. The smell of a corpse plus a filled diaper -- I can't imagine how someone could even get into the car without realizing that something was very, very wrong.
 
2014-06-26 03:04:05 PM  

bunner: DeadPuppySociety: bunner: Once upon a time, briefly, in America, there was justice, common sense, compassion, dignity, honesty and happy endings that occurred someplace besides a cinema screen.  *sigh*

You are a farking lunatic.

Said the person who comes on to web forums to fling sh*t at people.  I'm all f*cked up about your Wal Mart  clearance aisle opinion.  No, really.  It's pills and a straight jacket for me.  *snort*


I still want him to tell us when this time was that "there was justice, common sense, compassion, dignity, honesty and happy endings that occurred someplace besides a cinema screen in America".
 
2014-06-26 03:13:15 PM  

Mugato: I still want him to tell us when this time was that "there was justice, common sense, compassion, dignity, honesty and happy endings that occurred someplace besides a cinema screen in America".


Admittedly it was hit and miss, but I'm guessing about an hour and a half before we sucked down the "your job defines you!  Winners!  Losers!  Aspire!  F*ck the other guy!  He's in the way!" Kool Aid.  There was actually a time when the general zeitgeist leaned more towards "how can I help" than "how big of a dick can I get away with being", though.  I can see how this sounds ridiculous to the preponderance of the digitally enhanced jerkofffs on this board, though.  When you get your history filtered through a lot of Time Life soundbites and "Nuh UH!  It was like THIS" crowd sourced, broad brush assertions and all the pins on your timeline were put there by PC college wankers with agendas, it's easy to think t'was never thus.  I'm putting you back on ignore now, btw.  Your ass is too fat for my screen.
 
2014-06-26 03:14:47 PM  
Oh, the "us" thing?  "Tell US.  WE.  The strong and merry band of FARK know it alls!"  Yeah, about that.  It doesn't exist.  And that never really works.
 
2014-06-26 03:15:05 PM  

JackieRabbit: But this guy was looking up how long it takes animals to die in a closed car on his work computer while his son was in the car.


This is news to me. Do you have a citation?

StandsWithAFist: toddler who (apparently) ate a breakfast meal with his dad


I've read that he stopped at Chick-Fil-A. I haven't read that his son was involved in the meal yet. Did they go inside together?
 
2014-06-26 03:15:59 PM  
So sorry this dude didn't research 'vasectomies' several years ago instead.

Or 'how to do yourself in w/o making a mess' - that would've worked too.
 
2014-06-26 03:22:13 PM  

bunner: Mugato: I still want him to tell us when this time was that "there was justice, common sense, compassion, dignity, honesty and happy endings that occurred someplace besides a cinema screen in America".

Admittedly it was hit and miss, but I'm guessing about an hour and a half before we sucked down the "your job defines you!  Winners!  Losers!  Aspire!  F*ck the other guy!  He's in the way!" Kool Aid.  There was actually a time when the general zeitgeist leaned more towards "how can I help" than "how big of a dick can I get away with being", though.  I can see how this sounds ridiculous to the preponderance of the digitally enhanced jerkofffs on this board, though.  When you get your history filtered through a lot of Time Life soundbites and "Nuh UH!  It was like THIS" crowd sourced, broad brush assertions and all the pins on your timeline were put there by PC college wankers with agendas, it's easy to think t'was never thus.  I'm putting you back on ignore now, btw.  Your ass is too fat for my screen.


c2.staticflickr.com

Now we have merit badges in trolling. It definitely is a different time and mindset.
 
2014-06-26 03:24:08 PM  
ReverendJynxed: Now we have merit badges in trolling. It definitely is a different time and mindset. I got nothing but more pissant insults, signifying nothing.  Have one.
 
2014-06-26 03:24:12 PM  

bunner: I'm putting you back on ignore now, btw


Awesome, I'm on someone's ignore list! Not sure what I did to deserve it but it's an honor.
 
2014-06-26 03:26:29 PM  
Ah, the part of the thread where I get dogpiled because that will certainly lend unassailable rectitude to whatever point isn't being made.  You can set your watch by the kneejerk farm, here.   :  )
 
2014-06-26 03:26:50 PM  

Headso: umad: Headso: umad: I don't really care if you did it intentionally or not when you kill somebody.

good thing you don't have any power to make laws.

I can vote against brainless shiatbags like you who push the "he/she has suffered enough already" nonsense, which isn't nothing.

true, but luckily tough on crime geezers are dying off of old age faster than authoritarian basement dwellers can take their place so you'll find less and less company each time you go to the polls.


Yes, I think people should serve some time when they act so negligently that they farking kill somebody. I'm such an authoritarian. Why do I gotta be mean and take away all of the fun from people who kill people? When have people who kill people ever hurt anybody, amirite?

/And I'll bet I make three times what you do, so I get the whole farking house to dwell in.
 
2014-06-26 03:30:36 PM  
loling at 'good christian man"
 
2014-06-26 03:34:06 PM  

Kangaroo_Ralph: StandsWithAFist: toddler who (apparently) ate a breakfast meal with his dad

I've read that he stopped at Chick-Fil-A. I haven't read that his son was involved in the meal yet. Did they go inside together?

The article I read said he "had breakfast with his son" according to his statements in the police report. I interpreted this to mean the child had also probably eaten something, unless the guy just used the drive-through for a cup of coffee/sandwich or something & counted this as eating with his son (in the car).
 
2014-06-26 03:35:30 PM  

bunner: ReverendJynxed: Now we have merit badges in trolling. It definitely is a different time and mindset. I got nothing but more pissant insults, signifying nothing.  Have one.


I was agreeing. What's your farking damage? Youth?
 
2014-06-26 03:36:25 PM  

StandsWithAFist: And - sorry to say - but the whole idea that the father is too much of a 'loving, Christian man' is apropos of nothing. I've known non-religious people who were beautiful souls, and fine upstanding members of Christian society who were utter sociopaths (and very good at playing the 'but I'm a pillar of society!' card). But maybe I'm just really farking cynical.


This. I don't understand why people have to qualify accused criminals with "he/she was a good Christian", as if Christians never do anything bad or break the law.
 
2014-06-26 03:37:57 PM  

Mugato: bunner: I'm putting you back on ignore now, btw

Awesome, I'm on someone's ignore list! Not sure what I did to deserve it but it's an honor.

i44.photobucket.com

Not your fault.
 
2014-06-26 03:38:28 PM  

Headso: loling at 'good christian man"


Inorite? Apparently, if you go to Church, you're better than everyone else, or something.
 
2014-06-26 03:39:03 PM  

ReverendJynxed: bunner: ReverendJynxed: Now we have merit badges in trolling. It definitely is a different time and mindset. I got nothing but more pissant insults, signifying nothing.  Have one.

I was agreeing. What's your farking damage? Youth?


You were?  Sorry.  I must have read it wrong.  I plead only two cups of coffee as far as "damage".  Youth?  I dunno.  I'm probably older than a lot of the users, here but I am a professional adolescent, so maybe.
 
2014-06-26 03:40:22 PM  

CraicBaby: Headso: loling at 'good christian man"

Inorite? Apparently, if you go to Church, you're better than everyone else, or something.


No, if you go to a Christian church, you like, beat your wife and steal and put kittens on spikes.   Cause invisible sky wizard and Jebus.  Keep up, man.
 
2014-06-26 03:40:31 PM  

ReverendJynxed: Mugato: bunner: I'm putting you back on ignore now, btw

Awesome, I'm on someone's ignore list! Not sure what I did to deserve it but it's an honor.
[i44.photobucket.com image 400x400]

Not your fault.


Don't understand that at all.
 
2014-06-26 03:41:40 PM  
When I was a kid, I'd hear the local neighborhood ladies pissing smirk and venom and gossip at and about each other and I had to walk away.  Like now.  *click*
 
2014-06-26 03:43:26 PM  

Mugato: ReverendJynxed: Mugato: bunner: I'm putting you back on ignore now, btw

Awesome, I'm on someone's ignore list! Not sure what I did to deserve it but it's an honor.
[i44.photobucket.com image 400x400]

Not your fault.

Don't understand that at all.


Well, he apologized but I was referring to someone lighting his fuse. So I shall now retract it. ^_^
 
2014-06-26 03:52:52 PM  

StandsWithAFist: The article I read said he "had breakfast with his son" according to his statements in the police report. I interpreted this to mean the child had also probably eaten something, unless the guy just used the drive-through for a cup of coffee/sandwich or something & counted this as eating with his son (in the car).


Right. And I'm guilty of this myself. Actually knowing people who know the guy have forced me to look at news stories like this in a different light. There is a big difference between:
"He went inside to eat with his son, then drove a mile, and forgot his son was in the car."
and
"He drove through the drive-thru and then went to work."

Just like there is a big difference between:
"He searched how long it takes for an animal to die in a car while his son was dying in the car."
and
"He clicked on a Reddit article about a dog dying in a car a few weeks before this incident."
 
2014-06-26 03:53:32 PM  

Taxbongo: doglover: Taxbongo: Besides making us feel better what else does executing people do?

Executions don't make you feel good.

They do prevent recidivism, though.

So does locking them up until they are no longer a threat

....


....because they're dead.
 
2014-06-26 04:12:29 PM  

Kangaroo_Ralph: StandsWithAFist: The article I read said he "had breakfast with his son" according to his statements in the police report. I interpreted this to mean the child had also probably eaten something, unless the guy just used the drive-through for a cup of coffee/sandwich or something & counted this as eating with his son (in the car).

Right. And I'm guilty of this myself. Actually knowing people who know the guy have forced me to look at news stories like this in a different light. There is a big difference between:
"He went inside to eat with his son, then drove a mile, and forgot his son was in the car."
and
"He drove through the drive-thru and then went to work."

Just like there is a big difference between:
"He searched how long it takes for an animal to die in a car while his son was dying in the car."
and
"He clicked on a Reddit article about a dog dying in a car a few weeks before this incident."


You make some very valid points.  What is your take on the whole smell thing several people have mentioned?
 
2014-06-26 04:15:38 PM  

Kangaroo_Ralph: StandsWithAFist: The article I read said he "had breakfast with his son" according to his statements in the police report. I interpreted this to mean the child had also probably eaten something, unless the guy just used the drive-through for a cup of coffee/sandwich or something & counted this as eating with his son (in the car).

Right. And I'm guilty of this myself. Actually knowing people who know the guy have forced me to look at news stories like this in a different light. There is a big difference between:
"He went inside to eat with his son, then drove a mile, and forgot his son was in the car."
and
"He drove through the drive-thru and then went to work."

Just like there is a big difference between:
"He searched how long it takes for an animal to die in a car while his son was dying in the car."
and
"He clicked on a Reddit article about a dog dying in a car a few weeks before this incident."

Found another article re: eating breakfast with his son: Hours before the toddler, Cooper Mills Harris, was pronounced dead, he and his father stopped at Chick-fil-A for breakfast, according to an arrest warrant obtained Wednesday by The Atlanta Journal-Constitution. The father then put his son back in a rear-facing car seat in the middle of the backseat and drove to work, less than a mile away, the warrant states.

So, it sounds like the first scenario you mentioned is what happened. This account also differs about where the car seat was located. The father (apparently) initially reported to police he couldn't see the seat because it was directly behind the drivers seat. The warrant states the car seat was in the middle of the backseat (which should have been visible in the rear view mirror).

Re: the internet search vs. Reddit article, you're absolutely right - huge difference.
 
2014-06-26 04:26:19 PM  

bunner: When I was a kid, I'd hear the local neighborhood ladies pissing smirk and venom and gossip at and about each other and I had to walk away.  Like now.  *click*


Wait, I thought you said that back then no one behaved like that? That it was only today that everyone acted like dicks?

Could it be you were merely seeing the past through rose-colored glasses, selectively remembering the good stuff and forgetting incidents like these gossipping ladies from then, while simultaneously selectively remembering more such douchey people from recent times and ignoring all the good stuff? Could it really be that humans have pretty much always been the same: some of them assholes, some of them cool, some of them virtuous, some of them scum? It seems most likely to me...
 
2014-06-26 04:27:07 PM  

umad: Headso: umad: Headso: umad: I don't really care if you did it intentionally or not when you kill somebody.

good thing you don't have any power to make laws.

I can vote against brainless shiatbags like you who push the "he/she has suffered enough already" nonsense, which isn't nothing.

true, but luckily tough on crime geezers are dying off of old age faster than authoritarian basement dwellers can take their place so you'll find less and less company each time you go to the polls.

Yes, I think people should serve some time when they act so negligently that they farking kill somebody. I'm such an authoritarian. Why do I gotta be mean and take away all of the fun from people who kill people? When have people who kill people ever hurt anybody, amirite?

/And I'll bet I make three times what you do, so I get the whole farking house to dwell in.


I'm glad your employer finds value in whatever it is you do between being grumpy on the internet ;)
 
2014-06-26 04:37:25 PM  

RobSeace: Wait, I thought you said that back then no one behaved like that? That it was only today that everyone acted like dicks?

Could it be you were merely seeing the past through rose-colored glasses, selectively remembering the good stuff and forgetting incidents like these gossipping ladies from then, while simultaneously selectively remembering more such douchey people from recent times and ignoring all the good stuff? Could it really be that humans have pretty much always been the same: some of them assholes, some of them cool, some of them virtuous, some of them scum? It seems most likely to me...


You know what seems likely to me?  Just pencil in whatever makes your POV unimpeachable in it's superiority.  I'm fine with that.  Yeah, there's always been dickbags.  It seems to have only recently come into the realm of a fashion accessory, though.
 
2014-06-26 04:46:06 PM  

kling_klang_bed: Taxbongo: kling_klang_bed: I know someone who's gonna be getting tossed over the rails in prison, and kudos to whoever does it to this subhuman waste of sperm and egg. WTF kind of monster does this to ANY kid, much less their own?!?! I'll just take a wild guess and say he's just vile on a biological level.

Taking pleasure in death even when you feel it is warranted is sick. We are better than this.

Fair enough. May he have a long, horrifying existence riddled with constant pain, terror and fear.



Not sure what a box of .45 shells cost now days but I do know it is cheaper than boarding a piece of human waste for 20-40-50 years.

Maybe I am a psychopath and don't realize it, but I could sleep just fine knowing I ended this f*ckwad's life.

Why waste valuable resources and money on someone who does not deserve it.

/but that is just, like, my opinion! man!
 
2014-06-26 04:46:50 PM  

RobSeace: Could it be you were merely seeing the past through rose-colored glasses, selectively remembering the good stuff


If you can teach me how to do that, I will give you every penny I have.
 
2014-06-26 04:48:03 PM  

jackandwater: Not sure what a box of .45 shells cost now days but I do know it is cheaper than boarding a piece of human waste for 20-40-50 years


Around 34 - 40¢ a round times 50.
 
2014-06-26 04:54:17 PM  

jackandwater: kling_klang_bed: Taxbongo: kling_klang_bed: I know someone who's gonna be getting tossed over the rails in prison, and kudos to whoever does it to this subhuman waste of sperm and egg. WTF kind of monster does this to ANY kid, much less their own?!?! I'll just take a wild guess and say he's just vile on a biological level.

Taking pleasure in death even when you feel it is warranted is sick. We are better than this.

Fair enough. May he have a long, horrifying existence riddled with constant pain, terror and fear.


Not sure what a box of .45 shells cost now days but I do know it is cheaper than boarding a piece of human waste for 20-40-50 years.

Maybe I am a psychopath and don't realize it, but I could sleep just fine knowing I ended this f*ckwad's life.

Why waste valuable resources and money on someone who does not deserve it.

/but that is just, like, my opinion! man!


Can't get much cheaper or effective than a good old fashioned stoning!
 
2014-06-26 04:55:28 PM  
The answer to the problem, Fennell believes, lies in improved car safety features and in increased public awareness that this can happen, that the results of a momentary lapse of memory can be horrifying.

What is the worst case she knows of?

"I don't really like to . . ." she says.

She looks away. She won't hold eye contact for this.

"The child pulled all her hair out before she died."


Mother of God... The entire article was a gut punch but that has to be one of the most horrifying things I've ever read.
 
2014-06-26 04:56:43 PM  
Sorry meant to say that's from the Washington Post article linked in the comments, not the Gawker article.
 
2014-06-26 05:02:00 PM  

StandsWithAFist: re: eating breakfast with his son: Hours before the toddler, Cooper Mills Harris, was pronounced dead, he and his father stopped at Chick-fil-A for breakfast, according to an arrest warrant obtained Wednesday by The Atlanta Journal-Constitution. The father then put his son back in a rear-facing car seat in the middle of the backseat and drove to work, less than a mile away, the warrant states.


Well if that's the case, it was pretty thoughtful of him to give him a last meal like that. I know if I had murder on my mind, I would have saved that $5.

I'm not familiar with the vehicle. It must have a solid bench in the front seat to be able to place a rear-facing child seat in the middle like that.
 
2014-06-26 05:02:26 PM  

bunner: Yeah, there's always been dickbags. It seems to have only recently come into the realm of a fashion accessory, though.


I'm not sure exactly what you mean by that... People are acting like assholes to impress others with their supposed coolness? Well, bullies have been doing that forever...

Also, you may need to consider that in the old days, you and everyone else weren't on the Internet... You only interacted with a relatively small number of people, and mostly all from the same local area... And, in face-to-face interactions, even people who are assholes at heart are usually much more polite and civil (or at least pretend to be to your face)... But, give those same people the anonymity of an Internet message board, and the Greater Internet Farkwad Theory kicks in:

fishbowl.pastiche.org

But, even that sort of behavior has always existed in the form of things like nasty graffiti on bathroom walls... If someone can be a prick anonymously, lots of people will choose to do so... It's just so much easier for them to do so now on the Internet; and, there are so many of them since nearly all of humanity is online, and every single person no matter where they're from can hear from any of them at any time...

Basically, I think it's not that more people are becoming assholes; it's that all the assholes are now just more visible!
 
2014-06-26 05:16:53 PM  

Green81: Hey -- lets not jump to any conclusions just yet, you know innocent until proven...*Awl who the fark am I kidding*

Break his spine, blind him, put him in complete isolation, and tube feed him. Hell isn't pain -- hell is being paralyzed and given zero stimulation... for the remainder of your life.


Just got into the thread so this may have been addressed already, but why go through the trouble of breaking his spine? Steady doses of .5mg of atracurium and intubation with a combitube. It's a paralytic, so he won't be able to move but he'll be conscious and awake, and just have the person bagging the combitube occasionally "forget" to bag him every couple of minutes to simulate suffocation. And drip some ghost pepper purée down the esophageal lumen.

/Damn, almost can't believe I typed something that farked up
 
2014-06-26 05:25:42 PM  

doglover: If you're a teacher, I can see losing a kid for awhile. It happens. School is kid jail and some of them actively try to escape when possible. But do you know how long it takes to realize you've mislaid one of dozens of other people's kids? About two minutes tops. Even when they're dressed in the same uniform and you don't even know their names, it's pretty easy to notice a void where a child should be.

No one who "forgets" their kid is worthy of being a parent. Give this guy a bottle of hemlock and 24 hours to do the right thing.


Well I tried it yesterday and failed, going to take the next eldest for a drive today and get some more practice.  Got two more kids of my own to try again with, if that fails I'll have to buy in more from Africa or Asia until I get it right.
 
2014-06-26 05:26:55 PM  

serial_crusher: Kangaroo_Ralph: 8. An IT friend of his family said the "search" on Justin's work computer was from a Reddit article he clicked on, about a dog dying in a hot car. Reading a story counts as a search. Think about that for a second, and think what may be in your own "search" history.

If that's the case, anybody reporting it as a "search" should be ashamed of themselves.
Would be nice if you had a better source than "An IT friend of his family".  Jimmy's such a nice boy.  He helped delete all that malware off of Grandma's Windows XP machine.


I know, it is either incredibly shoddy journalism that will likely get the paper sued.....or.......Kangaroo is trolling us.
 
2014-06-26 05:30:12 PM  
That, or they we're already insufferable jerks only now they can hide behind their mother's skirt.  Most complete f*ckwads are essentially, spoiled children who think intelligence equals sticking your tongue out at somebody while their dad is standing next to them.  And if somebody pays attention and giggles, touchdown.
 
2014-06-26 05:34:10 PM  

RobSeace: bunner: Yeah, there's always been dickbags. It seems to have only recently come into the realm of a fashion accessory, though.

I'm not sure exactly what you mean by that... People are acting like assholes to impress others with their supposed coolness? Well, bullies have been doing that forever...

Also, you may need to consider that in the old days, you and everyone else weren't on the Internet... You only interacted with a relatively small number of people, and mostly all from the same local area... And, in face-to-face interactions, even people who are assholes at heart are usually much more polite and civil (or at least pretend to be to your face)... But, give those same people the anonymity of an Internet message board, and the Greater Internet Farkwad Theory kicks in:

[fishbowl.pastiche.org image 500x152]

But, even that sort of behavior has always existed in the form of things like nasty graffiti on bathroom walls... If someone can be a prick anonymously, lots of people will choose to do so... It's just so much easier for them to do so now on the Internet; and, there are so many of them since nearly all of humanity is online, and every single person no matter where they're from can hear from any of them at any time...

Basically, I think it's not that more people are becoming assholes; it's that all the assholes are now just more visible!


"Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth." - Oscar Wilde
 
2014-06-26 05:37:22 PM  
Pumpernickel bread: "Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth." - Oscar Wilde

"Or at least tell you to f*ckzors j0or maz0rs, libtard, loozor, hah, z0mg l0ol." - bunner
 
2014-06-26 05:42:04 PM  

rga184: Two Dogs Farking: As the father of a young boy, I can't express how much this disgusts me. I am completely befuddled.

At the very least, the father needs to be castrated, preferably as painfully as possible - with a hot fireplace poker or by pitbull - to ensure that he never reproduces again.

Rocuronium drip, IV nutrition, hooked up to a vent, completely awake for weeks.

Maybe alternate the temp between super hot and support cold continuously, or stop the vent just enough for him to get hyperbaric and nearly pass out, bring him back and repeat again at random time intervals.

Leave his psyche a bowl of soft mush.

/couldn't actually go through with it, despite it all. But it's the only torture I can imagine worthy of somebody like that. Would not be sad if I found out he was locked in a room for a year going through that.


Yep, knew somebody would have said it first.

/I've heard paramedics say that they've had patients describe being on paralytics and intubated while conscious is like being in hell.
 
2014-06-26 05:42:59 PM  
Where's that place in your personal page photo, Rob?  That's some top shelf scenery.
 
2014-06-26 05:47:32 PM  

Ed Grubermann: [www.encyclopediaofarkansas.net image 389x550]


Just make sure you neglect to wet the sponge on his head.

/thank you Stephen King :)
 
2014-06-26 06:16:03 PM  

bunner: Where's that place in your personal page photo, Rob?  That's some top shelf scenery.


Top of Cannon Mountain in NH... That was taken with a really crappy camera probably a decade or so ago now, but I've got a few other equally crap quality shots from up there on my homepage...
 
2014-06-26 06:17:15 PM  

brimed03: tlars699: jshine: If true, it suggests that this was a premeditated murder, and this person should go to prison for a very, very long time.

...but what's really scary is how bloodthirsty people on Fark appear to be.  Good lord, I'm glad we've got police and prisons to cow you all into behaving in a civilized way, because I'd be terrified to see what half of the posters here would be like if left to their own devices in some sort of post-apocalyptic anarchy scenario.  The Eighth amendment exists for a reason: because we're supposed to at least try to behave better than criminals -- not invent the most gruesome possible revenge fantasies and outdo the savagery of the criminals we punish.

You really think they would actually enact this? Hell, even if they were given all of the tools and time and freedom necessary, they look at you, look at him, and look at you and say,
"You know what? He's not worth it."

Like Bilbo and Gollum.

Interesting example. Except Bilbo didn't say of Gollum "he's not worth it." He spared Gollum (a) because he still saw a divine/intelligent spark in him and (b) he believed in Gollum's potential redemption. A redemption that might have happened if not for Sam's taunting and brutality, or the "betrayal" forced by Faramir and his company.

You might be right that folks here wouldn't carry out the revenge fantasies they've written here. But Bilbo is not their archetype.

I also disagree that most of them would turn away based on "he isn't worth it." I think most of them would turn away in horror of what they were about to do-- in recognition of how it would scar their own souls, and diminish their own humanity.

And some, I think, would turn away for the same reason they're writing these fantasies: in this guy they recognize, on some level, a kindred spirit. Not that they would necessarily commit this kind of crime. But we are all capable of the very best and the very worst things ever done. And some folks here know their dark side is closer to the surface than is comfortable, and it terrifies them. And when they see it break free in others, they react with all the savagery of their own terror about themselves.


Nice armchair psychology. A kindred spirit? fark off pal. Just because some of us have wild imaginations that lean a little on the dark and morbid side and can let those thoughts run a little too freely when we get easily emotional and upset about things like child murder doesn't mean we're "kindred spirits". I mean, shiat, look at some of the farked up things Alan Moore and George RR Martin have written. You're kindred spirit argument is the same argument that lead to the Comics Code Authority and leads people to blame things like Marylin Manson and horror movies when people go on killing sprees. Just because some of us type some farked up revenge scenarios to help us emotionally process these things doesn't mean we are anything like this guy. It's just talk and bluster from anonymous people on the internet and not worth getting all Freudian about it.
 
2014-06-26 06:27:23 PM  
Did the kid have those shoes that squeak when they walk - because those are really annoying.
 
2014-06-26 06:33:27 PM  

Loreweaver: Taxbongo:

It is never right for us to take a life out of spite.

On this point, you are correct.

One of the times where I universally support the death penalty is when dealing with serial rapists, serial killers, and mass murderers. And the reason is simple: They have proven that they will be a danger to society for as long as they live. They cannot be rehabilitated, and they can never be released from jail without putting the public in danger. Therefore, there is no point in paying for their room and board for 50 years.

All others need to be taken on a case-by-case basis. Obviously, if you have a 1st-Degree Murder case where the evidence is irrefutable, and the evidence shows that the convict will commit more murder if ever released, then it's probably best to eliminate them permanently.


I am mostly against the death penalty, but there are certain cases where I can't disagree with it. Look up the Lester St Masacre that happened in Memphis a few years ago. A horrific crime, the perpetrator is non remorseful (he even smiled and applauded the prosecutor after he asked the jury to impose the death sentence), and he did it all over a farking jacket. I want to show compassion and sympathy (yes even to rapists and murderers), but some of these motherfarkers just need to be put on ice.

/Not saying the guy from TFA deserves the death penalty necessarily, just in general
 
2014-06-26 06:38:17 PM  

glmorrs1: Loreweaver: Taxbongo:

It is never right for us to take a life out of spite.

On this point, you are correct.

One of the times where I universally support the death penalty is when dealing with serial rapists, serial killers, and mass murderers. And the reason is simple: They have proven that they will be a danger to society for as long as they live. They cannot be rehabilitated, and they can never be released from jail without putting the public in danger. Therefore, there is no point in paying for their room and board for 50 years.

All others need to be taken on a case-by-case basis. Obviously, if you have a 1st-Degree Murder case where the evidence is irrefutable, and the evidence shows that the convict will commit more murder if ever released, then it's probably best to eliminate them permanently.

I am mostly against the death penalty, but there are certain cases where I can't disagree with it. Look up the Lester St Masacre that happened in Memphis a few years ago. A horrific crime, the perpetrator is non remorseful (he even smiled and applauded the prosecutor after he asked the jury to impose the death sentence), and he did it all over a farking jacket. I want to show compassion and sympathy (yes even to rapists and murderers), but some of these motherfarkers just need to be put on ice.

/Not saying the guy from TFA deserves the death penalty necessarily, just in general


We had a guy from my unit butcher a young couple and almost kill another guy on Robins AFB a few years ago. He grinned in his mugshot. He's the only USAF guy on death row and will most likely die of old age there. I wouldn't shed a tear if they carried out his sentence.
 
2014-06-26 06:41:47 PM  

freetomato: Robins AFB


Hey, I graduated from HS there. The school, not the air force base. My dad worked at the AFB.
 
2014-06-26 06:43:48 PM  

cryinoutloud: freetomato: Robins AFB

Hey, I graduated from HS there. The school, not the air force base. My dad worked at the AFB.


Small world. I hear Victoria Principal is from there too.
 
2014-06-26 07:24:02 PM  

robohobo: Toss him in with the rapists for 10 years, with daily beatings and rapings, then drop him off in the middle of death valley until he dies.

But I'm sure there are those who feel he should be rehabilitated and let back into society.


There was a petition going around (which has since been halted) that asked for the murder charge to be dropped.  People on Facebook reading the AJC articles were claiming that "everyone forgets" and "it was all an accident".
 
2014-06-26 07:55:39 PM  

freetomato: cryinoutloud: freetomato: Robins AFB
Hey, I graduated from HS there. The school, not the air force base. My dad worked at the AFB.
Small world. I hear Victoria Principal is from there too.


in my class! No, just kidding, she was older. But Miss Georgia of 198-something was in my class.
 
2014-06-26 08:05:32 PM  

Galileo's Daughter: robohobo: Toss him in with the rapists for 10 years, with daily beatings and rapings, then drop him off in the middle of death valley until he dies.

But I'm sure there are those who feel he should be rehabilitated and let back into society.

There was a petition going around (which has since been halted) that asked for the murder charge to be dropped.  People on Facebook reading the AJC articles were claiming that "everyone forgets" and "it was all an accident".


You have to wonder what evidence we don't know about. What we do know, him forgetting about the baby within a five minute drive, and not noticing him till he'd been on the road a bit (didn't smell a dirty diaper?) is unsettling. It's not like it's the first time this has happened in Georgia. Its the first time the parent has been charged here, to my knowledge.

http://www.ggweather.com/heat/
 
2014-06-26 08:24:45 PM  

Two Dogs Farking: As the father of a young boy, I can't express how much this disgusts me. I am completely befuddled.

At the very least, the father needs to be castrated, preferably as painfully as possible - with a hot fireplace poker or by pitbull - to ensure that he never reproduces again.


Castration for murder?

Yeah that makes complete sense.

WTF is wrong with you?
 
2014-06-26 09:26:22 PM  

Mr. Right: It is my opinion, shared by many others, that every right has concomitant responsibilities. Among the concomitant responsibilities of the right to live is to respect the lives of others. When someone, such as dear old dad in this case, so egregiously and callously disrespects the right of another to live and especially when he causes the death of one who is dependent on him - legally as well as physically - then justice is served by depriving him of his right to live. One of the functions of the justice system is to determine which rights one loses when he fails to exercise his responsibilities.


My apologies. I totally agree with you. I was arguing from the other end. It is my opinion that a sterile, clinical death does not constitute "justice". He should be put in a car with windows rolled up, and spend as much time dying (in as much discomfort,) as his poor child did. If it was indeed deliberate, I say "let the punishment fit the crime."
 
2014-06-26 10:06:25 PM  
If he didn't notice the child all the way to work, and didn't notice the child when he backed out of his parking space (which usually requires a glance over the shoulder) how did he notice the child when he finally stopped? Either he could see the child, or he couldn't. If he could see him from the driver's seat when he finally pulled over, then he could see him when he drove to work and especially when he left work.
 
2014-06-26 10:17:59 PM  

namegoeshere: If he didn't notice the child all the way to work, and didn't notice the child when he backed out of his parking space (which usually requires a glance over the shoulder) how did he notice the child when he finally stopped? Either he could see the child, or he couldn't. If he could see him from the driver's seat when he finally pulled over, then he could see him when he drove to work and especially when he left work.


He didn't notice until he got in front of an audience where he could act frantic, duh. You can't just murder your child casually and get away with it. It takes planning.

/Actually probably lots of parents do.
 
2014-06-26 10:44:02 PM  

HAMMERTOE: Mr. Right: It is my opinion, shared by many others, that every right has concomitant responsibilities. Among the concomitant responsibilities of the right to live is to respect the lives of others. When someone, such as dear old dad in this case, so egregiously and callously disrespects the right of another to live and especially when he causes the death of one who is dependent on him - legally as well as physically - then justice is served by depriving him of his right to live. One of the functions of the justice system is to determine which rights one loses when he fails to exercise his responsibilities.

My apologies. I totally agree with you. I was arguing from the other end. It is my opinion that a sterile, clinical death does not constitute "justice". He should be put in a car with windows rolled up, and spend as much time dying (in as much discomfort,) as his poor child did. If it was indeed deliberate, I say "let the punishment fit the crime."


I obviously misunderstood the question.  While I do support the death penalty, I do have to wonder if killing this guy in the manner used to kill his son is really justice or if that is a kind of reactionary vengeance.  The father and grandfather in me wants this guy's entire hide sanded with a 50 grit sandpaper on a belt sander, then dunked in very salty water, followed by every one of his fingertips smashed with a 28 oz. checker-faced framing hammer and then put into the car.  It might really be fun to have about 2 cups of gas in the tank and let the car run with the air conditioner on until it runs out of gas.  Unlike his son, this guy is aware and he knows what's going to happen.  The emotional side of me wants him to suffer horribly.

The rational side of me says No!  Taking his life is one thing.  Torturing him is another.  I will say that I can't lose any sleep over whether or not he's comfortable or whether the drugs are painless.  That argument is pure hokum, IMO.  There is nothing wrong with an electric chair,a firing squad, or hanging.  In my opinion, justice is served by depriving him of his life.  Torturing him debases the executioner.

Although, you may be able to tell from my description of what I'd like to do with him that I have given this sort of revenge more than a little thought during my lifetime.  I've got a lot more creative ways of torture in the back of my mind.  I find them to be a fantasy release.  Hopefully, they will forever stay fantasy or I'll be the one whose death penalty is being decided.
 
2014-06-26 10:54:46 PM  

Mr. Right: While I do support the death penalty, I do have to wonder if killing this guy in the manner used to kill his son is really justice or if that is a kind of reactionary vengeance.


The problem with the death penalty as a deterrent is that it happens   - - - > over there someplace in a small room, out of view and nice and tidy.  It may as well be some geezer falling over from natural causes, a rerun of I Love Lucy airing in Uganda or a dog getting hit by a car 60 blocks away.  It doesn't get on the radar.  It's a footnote.  The apprentice felons we want to frighten with it never see it or hear of it unless they switch on the news for a 20 second soundbite before the weather.
 
2014-06-26 11:07:32 PM  

sno man: Every once in a while one of these come along and you wish for eye-for-an-eye punishment.  Lock this guy in his car, in an adult sized car seat, all strapped in for safety. Make sure it in a sunny spot, roll up the windows, lock the doors and walk away. Bye waster of O2


Yep.
 
2014-06-26 11:20:25 PM  

bunner: Mr. Right: While I do support the death penalty, I do have to wonder if killing this guy in the manner used to kill his son is really justice or if that is a kind of reactionary vengeance.

The problem with the death penalty as a deterrent is that it happens   - - - > over there someplace in a small room, out of view and nice and tidy.  It may as well be some geezer falling over from natural causes, a rerun of I Love Lucy airing in Uganda or a dog getting hit by a car 60 blocks away.  It doesn't get on the radar.  It's a footnote.  The apprentice felons we want to frighten with it never see it or hear of it unless they switch on the news for a 20 second soundbite before the weather.


Personally, I don't believe in the death penalty under any circumstances. ...but that being said, if it is to be carried out, it should be public. What the State does to its citizens should be done in the light of day. Also, that generates maximum deterrent effect, for whatever it's worth.

I say a guillotine on the state capitol lawn at noon on a weekend. People can bring the family, and the local stations can carry it live. Nobody who sees it would ever forget, and decapitation is swift and painless.
 
2014-06-26 11:31:08 PM  
Knew he was lying.

Once the first couple of accidental deaths started to air on the news, the sympathy for grieving parents started, and the PSAs about methods on how to remember your kids were in the car started to air
I said to myself, "Well, now anybody wanting to kill a kid and get away with it knows how to do it."

Boy Cleetus, you dun goofed hard and farked up a foolproof plan.

Guy looks like a slow mouth-breather to boot.
 
2014-06-26 11:36:14 PM  

bunner: Mr. Right: While I do support the death penalty, I do have to wonder if killing this guy in the manner used to kill his son is really justice or if that is a kind of reactionary vengeance.

The problem with the death penalty as a deterrent is that it happens   - - - > over there someplace in a small room, out of view and nice and tidy.  It may as well be some geezer falling over from natural causes, a rerun of I Love Lucy airing in Uganda or a dog getting hit by a car 60 blocks away.  It doesn't get on the radar.  It's a footnote.  The apprentice felons we want to frighten with it never see it or hear of it unless they switch on the news for a 20 second soundbite before the weather.


I believe it's a mistake to argue that the death penalty should be considered a deterrent.  Although it certainly deters the one who received it!  and the death penalty certainly reduces the recidivism rate.  padumpah!

I have long argued that deterrence comes not from the severity of the penalty but the certainty.  Look at kids.  If you have a parent who keeps threatening but never follows through, the kid is soon out of control.  If you have a parent who follows through on every threat but makes threats randomly or capriciously. you have a very confused kid who is eventually out of control.  If you have a parent who follows through on threats but is consistent and judicious in making the threats, your chances of having a well-adjusted and well-behaved child go up exponentially.

If you look at crime statistics, a good number of crimes go unsolved.  A good number of those arrested and charged go free.  On the other side, you have stories of innocents serving life sentences.  Our system of justice seems, to the casual observer, to be inconsistent and rather  a gamble.  When you find prosecutors who rigorously and evenhandedly enforce the laws, the laws are better followed.  That is the true deterrent.
 
2014-06-27 12:08:40 AM  
If properly publicized for the most disgusting and irredeemable offenders, I think it would be a dandy deterrent.

I am often reminded of the joke about the preacher's mule.

A parishioner needs to get his wife into town, but his horse is not well, so he asks the preacher if he can borrow his mule.  The preacher gladly offers his mule for the man's use, but pauses as he gives him the reins and say; "now, see, this mule is sort of special.  He doesn't respond to normal commands like whoa or giddy up.  If you want him to start walking, you have to say 'hallelujah!', and if you want him to stop you say 'amen', got it?"  The preacher goes back inside and the man mounts the mule to go and pick up his wife at home and says "hallelujah!".  Nothing.  "Amen!".  Nothing.  "Praise the Lord!".  The mule doesn't budge.  After nearly an hour of this, the preacher comes back out and asks the man why he is still there.  The man tells him of going through a litany of religious exclamations, over and over, to no avail.  The preacher says "Ahhh, I forgot", picks up a two by four and belts the mule across the chops as hard as he can.

"First", he said "you got to get his attention".
 
2014-06-27 12:19:57 AM  

bunner: If properly publicized for the most disgusting and irredeemable offenders, I think it would be a dandy deterrent.

I am often reminded of the joke about the preacher's mule.

A parishioner needs to get his wife into town, but his horse is not well, so he asks the preacher if he can borrow his mule.  The preacher gladly offers his mule for the man's use, but pauses as he gives him the reins and say; "now, see, this mule is sort of special.  He doesn't respond to normal commands like whoa or giddy up.  If you want him to start walking, you have to say 'hallelujah!', and if you want him to stop you say 'amen', got it?"  The preacher goes back inside and the man mounts the mule to go and pick up his wife at home and says "hallelujah!".  Nothing.  "Amen!".  Nothing.  "Praise the Lord!".  The mule doesn't budge.  After nearly an hour of this, the preacher comes back out and asks the man why he is still there.  The man tells him of going through a litany of religious exclamations, over and over, to no avail.  The preacher says "Ahhh, I forgot", picks up a two by four and belts the mule across the chops as hard as he can.

"First", he said "you got to get his attention".


Wait. You mentioned a 'joke'. Still waiting.
 
2014-06-27 12:20:41 AM  

John Buck 41: Wait. You mentioned a 'joke'. Still waiting.


What a coincidence.
 
2014-06-27 12:30:53 AM  

bunner: John Buck 41: Wait. You mentioned a 'joke'. Still waiting.

What a coincidence.


Ok, I give up. Off to bed. Looking fwd to reading your explanation at 8:15a tomorrow.
 
2014-06-27 12:32:15 AM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: I think i'll decline to call for this guy's punishment until we know more from actual legit sources. Like a court of law or official inquiry or something like that.

"Search history" could be anything.

This is kind of Internet 101, isn't it?


Agreed on all counts. As usual with online forums, Fark is pulling out the pitchforks and torches before the monster has been proven a monster.

/Didn't anyone here read Shelley's _Frankenstein?_
//or see Brookes' "Young Frankenstein" at least?
///FOOTSHTEPSH! FOOTSHTEPSH!
 
2014-06-27 12:32:38 AM  

John Buck 41: bunner: John Buck 41: Wait. You mentioned a 'joke'. Still waiting.

What a coincidence.

Ok, I give up. Off to bed. Looking fwd to reading your explanation at 8:15a tomorrow.


I wake up about noon.  I'll see what I can do.  :  )
 
2014-06-27 12:35:37 AM  

bunner: brimed03: There's no point, and potentially a lot of harm, in painting the past as some paradise lost.

I'm not.  But I was around when, by and large, rude, hateful, violent arrogant sh*tbag wasn't the new Led Zeppelin T-Shirt.  People could "say what they really mean" 1,000 times a day without it = being a dick.


A lot of very horrible, frightening, sickening things were said in very polite terms "back in the day." Frankly, I find that a lot more chilling.
 
2014-06-27 12:38:27 AM  

bunner: brimed03: bunner: As for all the psychologists who make a tidy sum stumping to turn slimy SOB's like this into lab rats instead of mulch, you do so because you chose to study this sort of sick f*ck and, frankly, unless you have no conscience whatsoever, you do so because you have a morbid fascination with such trash.  Which puts you about 2 MMPPI graph aberrations on the side of the bars without the toilet.  And you get paid for it.  Sort of like cops and thugs.  And yet, for all this fine toothed combing of slimy, remorseless, clinical narcissists, we still seem to have no dearth of them.

Bunner, you're on my favorites list, but this is one of the dumbest posts I've ever read.

I don't think either one of us needs any favors, then..

Did you mean it or are your emotions just getting the best of you?

Psychologists have been studying these "slimy SOBs" for a host of reasons. The one I like most is: in the hopes of recognizing future slimy SOBs *before* they kill, and intervening before innocents die.

Yeah, your method - (see last paragraph) -sounds real tough on crime and great. What does it do for Johnny 2054? He still dies. Because *you* never fixed the sickness, you just killed the patient.

Gleefully.  there's a tipping point on the ROI of having coffee with psychos and just shutting them off.

We've been studying these people for, what, maybe 150 years? We've been *seriously* studying them for maybe 70 years? And you're seriously dismissing psychology? Shiat man, how many *centuries* did it take for us to go from leeches to penicillin? Are you f*ckin' kidding me?

And You just put enough straw on my lawn to feed a horse.  We all have our shortcomings.


So: the non-responsive response. So glad you could contribute to the discussion.
 
2014-06-27 12:46:16 AM  

brimed03: So: the non-responsive response. So glad you could contribute to the discussion.


So, "hey, I think I'll sit on my ass and blow this guy some crap for a while, so everybody can see me dis his ass".  Ditto, Plato.
 
2014-06-27 12:48:04 AM  

bunner: Ah, the part of the thread where I get dogpiled because that will certainly lend unassailable rectitude to whatever point isn't being made.  You can set your watch by the kneejerk farm, here.   :  )


Wow.

So after responding to you I continued reading the thread and read all the "dogpiling" on you.

There comes a point where a sane man considers that "well... maybe it *is* me."

Your last several responses (including the one to me) lacked any serious response or, indeed, coherency. No hyperbole there. You're spitting foam.

But no. You're not paranoid. "We" really are all out to get you.

/what the hell happened to you? I previously favorited you not because I agreed with everything you said, but because you said everything in an interesting and thought-provoking way. And suddenly you go the full derp. Something go seriously wrong for you today?
 
2014-06-27 12:51:03 AM  

ReverendJynxed: bunner: ReverendJynxed: Now we have merit badges in trolling. It definitely is a different time and mindset. I got nothing but more pissant insults, signifying nothing.  Have one.

I was agreeing. What's your farking damage? Youth?


Bunner, you see what I mean? Full derp! You're even turning on people who agree with you, like some kind of berserker. What the hell happened to you today?
 
2014-06-27 12:51:05 AM  

brimed03: what the hell happened to you?


I said something that you didn't agree with.  And that's about enough, if you don't mind.

brimed03: You're spitting foam.


All the hardcore troll cheerleaders ae in bed, now.
 
2014-06-27 12:52:22 AM  

brimed03: Full derp! You're even turning on people who agree with you


Apparently not.  You can stop trolling now.  The dog is barking but the lights ain't coming on.  *sigh*
 
2014-06-27 01:01:23 AM  

bunner: When I was a kid, I'd hear the local neighborhood ladies pissing smirk and venom and gossip at and about each other and I had to walk away.  Like now.  *click*


Huh. Was that back in the day, when-- how did you put it? Oh yes:

"I was around when, by and large, rude, hateful, violent arrogant sh*tbag wasn't the new Led Zeppelin T-Shirt.  People could "say what they really mean" 1,000 times a day without it = being a dick."

That was back when "there was justice, common sense, compassion, dignity, honesty and happy endings that occurred someplace besides a cinema screen in America," right?

Golly, I'm just a little confused here. Or maybe-- here's a thought-- maybe you've entered your yelling-at-clouds phase of life.
 
2014-06-27 01:07:44 AM  

glmorrs1: brimed03: tlars699: jshine: If true, it suggests that this was a premeditated murder, and this person should go to prison for a very, very long time.

...but what's really scary is how bloodthirsty people on Fark appear to be.  Good lord, I'm glad we've got police and prisons to cow you all into behaving in a civilized way, because I'd be terrified to see what half of the posters here would be like if left to their own devices in some sort of post-apocalyptic anarchy scenario.  The Eighth amendment exists for a reason: because we're supposed to at least try to behave better than criminals -- not invent the most gruesome possible revenge fantasies and outdo the savagery of the criminals we punish.

You really think they would actually enact this? Hell, even if they were given all of the tools and time and freedom necessary, they look at you, look at him, and look at you and say,
"You know what? He's not worth it."

Like Bilbo and Gollum.

Interesting example. Except Bilbo didn't say of Gollum "he's not worth it." He spared Gollum (a) because he still saw a divine/intelligent spark in him and (b) he believed in Gollum's potential redemption. A redemption that might have happened if not for Sam's taunting and brutality, or the "betrayal" forced by Faramir and his company.

You might be right that folks here wouldn't carry out the revenge fantasies they've written here. But Bilbo is not their archetype.

I also disagree that most of them would turn away based on "he isn't worth it." I think most of them would turn away in horror of what they were about to do-- in recognition of how it would scar their own souls, and diminish their own humanity.

And some, I think, would turn away for the same reason they're writing these fantasies: in this guy they recognize, on some level, a kindred spirit. Not that they would necessarily commit this kind of crime. But we are all capable of the very best and the very worst things ever done. And some folks here know their dark side is closer to the surface than is comfortable, and it terrifies them. And when they see it break free in others, they react with all the savagery of their own terror about themselves.

Nice armchair psychology. A kindred spirit? fark off pal. Just because some of us have wild imaginations that lean a little on the dark and morbid side and can let those thoughts run a little too freely when we get easily emotional and upset about things like child murder doesn't mean we're "kindred spirits". I mean, shiat, look at some of the farked up things Alan Moore and George RR Martin have written. You're kindred spirit argument is the same argument that lead to the Comics Code Authority and leads people to blame things like Marylin Manson and horror movies when people go on killing sprees. Just because some of us type some farked up revenge scenarios to help us emotionally process these things doesn't mean we are anything like this guy. It's just talk and bluster from anonymous people on the internet and not worth getting all Freudian about it.


Wowww... You've got a lot of pent-up anger there fred. Might want to see a shrink about it.
 
2014-06-27 03:55:14 AM  
That'd be a horrible way to go.
 
2014-06-27 04:13:49 AM  
The moment he entered that car in the afternoon his nostrils would have been hit by an overpowering, piss/shiat/death odor, the kind you get when you cook a kid in a car all day. No way anyone would miss that unless they had no sense of smell.
 
2014-06-27 04:29:35 AM  

RenownedCurator: I read the Daily Mail article and wasn't too impressed -- lots of stuff from bystanders talking about how strange he was acting -- well, I can't even imagine how I'd act if I just realized something like that had happened. You have to have more solid grounds than "Well, he wasn't acting the way I think I would" to send a guy to prison. And it looks like we'll just have to wait to see what exactly "internet search" means here. I've read Gene Weingarten's article and it's very, very good -- I can easily see how someone who's out of their routine and whose child falls asleep in the back seat could go on autopilot.

However.

The smell. I remember one time when I was in a hurry to get out of the house for an appointment, I had three little kids with me, and the baby pooped her diaper at the last second. I changed her, gathered everything up, and got us all out of the house. We returned about four hours later, during which the day had become fairly hot (for Seattle) -- low eighties. I walked in the house and it was like being hit in the face with the smell; it wasn't a "time to take out the garbage" smell, it was absolutely noxious and filled the entire house, we were practically gagging. It turned out that in my hurry I'd forgotten to put the dirty diaper in the diaper pail, and it had been sitting out the whole morning. A car that's been sitting in the sun all day would be much, much hotter than my house was. The smell of a corpse plus a filled diaper -- I can't imagine how someone could even get into the car without realizing that something was very, very wrong.


I mentioned this elsewhere, but you nailed. The smell would have been overpowering the moment he opened that door.
 
2014-06-27 05:36:59 AM  

doglover: If you're a teacher, I can see losing a kid for awhile. It happens. School is kid jail and some of them actively try to escape when possible. But do you know how long it takes to realize you've mislaid one of dozens of other people's kids? About two minutes tops. Even when they're dressed in the same uniform and you don't even know their names, it's pretty easy to notice a void where a child should be.

No one who "forgets" their kid is worthy of being a parent. Give this guy a bottle of hemlock and 24 hours to do the right thing.


My mom forgot me once.  At a park.  I was three or four years old, and she got so wrapped up in picking up my older (5-ish) brother from day camp and getting him into the car (he didn't want to leave the park) that I slipped her mind.  She was halfway home when she realized that there were supposed to be  two kids in the car.

I was fine.  I honestly hadn't even realized she had left.  Having too much fun on the merry-go-round to notice mom and brother had disappeared.

Yes, it is possible to forget your kid.  This does not necessarily make you a horrible parent.  My mom did a good job by me.
 
2014-06-27 07:18:15 AM  

brimed03: like some kind of berserker.


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Lachwen: I was fine. I honestly hadn't even realized she had left. Having too much fun on the merry-go-round to notice mom and brother had disappeared.

Yes, it is possible to forget your kid. This does not necessarily make you a horrible parent. My mom did a good job by me.


There's a bit of a difference between forgetting to pick them up from somewhere where they're relatively safe vs. forgetting that they're in the same car with you, not noticing that they're in there as you get out, and locking them in there to roast all day... Parks are large, but even the biggest SUV isn't that damn huge that you should be able to absent-mindedly lose a child in one...
 
2014-06-27 08:30:54 AM  

CraicBaby: Headso: loling at 'good christian man"

Inorite? Apparently, if you go to Church, you're better than everyone else, or something.


Yep.

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2014-06-27 11:10:41 AM  

Lachwen: doglover: If you're a teacher, I can see losing a kid for awhile. It happens. School is kid jail and some of them actively try to escape when possible. But do you know how long it takes to realize you've mislaid one of dozens of other people's kids? About two minutes tops. Even when they're dressed in the same uniform and you don't even know their names, it's pretty easy to notice a void where a child should be.

No one who "forgets" their kid is worthy of being a parent. Give this guy a bottle of hemlock and 24 hours to do the right thing.

My mom forgot me once.  At a park.  I was three or four years old, and she got so wrapped up in picking up my older (5-ish) brother from day camp and getting him into the car (he didn't want to leave the park) that I slipped her mind.  She was halfway home when she realized that there were supposed to be  two kids in the car.

I was fine.  I honestly hadn't even realized she had left.  Having too much fun on the merry-go-round to notice mom and brother had disappeared.

Yes, it is possible to forget your kid.  This does not necessarily make you a horrible parent.  My mom did a good job by me.


I never forgot my kid as a baby but I did fall asleep and neglect to pick her up at midnight after a marching band trip. She has still never let me live that down.
 
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