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2014-06-25 07:52:16 PM  
Probably because of the collective conservative hard-on against weed is why this kind of shiat happens.
 
2014-06-25 08:37:29 PM  
""There is absolutely no practical use for heroin - it's a Schedule 1 drug," Murphy said."

I see we're still not learning anything about how the Drug War works. It would blow this guy's little mind if he found out 'prescription pain meds' came to be, and that it's still prescribed as an analgesic.
 
2014-06-25 08:40:55 PM  
Well, that explains a lot
 
2014-06-25 09:10:17 PM  

JerkyMeat: Probably because of the collective conservative hard-on against weed is why this kind of shiat happens.


It's because of prescription pill crack downs.  Heroin can give you a similar high for less money these days.
 
2014-06-25 09:16:57 PM  
How else do you expect them to mellow out from the meth?
 
2014-06-25 09:36:49 PM  
A close friend of mine is an officer outside of Roanoke and has told me how hard his job has gotten because of all the heroin coming in. I told him it was time for him to find a suburb full of yuppies so he can write speeding tickets for soccer mom's.
 
2014-06-25 11:09:12 PM  

Lsherm: JerkyMeat: Probably because of the collective conservative hard-on against weed is why this kind of shiat happens.

It's because of prescription pill crack downs.  Heroin can give you a similar high for less money these days.


THIS^

Legalize OxyContin and everything will be okay.
 
2014-06-25 11:12:02 PM  
Religion is the opiate of the masses.

No, wait, heroin is.  I always get those two mixed up.
 
2014-06-25 11:12:55 PM  
Heroin does significant damage

It is a public health issue

Yet trying to outright ban the drug has brought us nothing but bad results

What can be done to curb the tide?
 
2014-06-25 11:13:23 PM  
*SMACK*
 
2014-06-25 11:13:47 PM  
And here I thought it was their sister that "helped them out" with their stress. Who knew?
 
2014-06-25 11:18:42 PM  
Six people this year. SIX!
 
2014-06-25 11:23:11 PM  

Precision Boobery: Religion is the opiate of the masses.

No, wait, heroin is.  I always get those two mixed up.


I thought heroin was OUT? Sooo 1990s.

Anyway, it's METH SCOURGE in my home city. Heh heh. It's all "meth meth meth!" when a concerned cop gets his mug on TV.
 
2014-06-25 11:24:30 PM  

Big Ramifications: Precision Boobery: Religion is the opiate of the masses.

No, wait, heroin is.  I always get those two mixed up.

I thought heroin was OUT? Sooo 1990s.

Anyway, it's METH SCOURGE in my home city. Heh heh. It's all "meth meth meth!" when a concerned cop gets his mug on TV.


I live in New Hampshire. Heroin is devastating the poor here.
 
2014-06-25 11:26:08 PM  
So, in a couple of years, it will be Obama saying, "I don't recall" while some schmuck Lt. Col.  says importing heroin to the US from Afghanistan was a "neat idea".
 
2014-06-25 11:26:29 PM  
These are the same people who were for years saying "Lock'em up" when they assumed it was only a black problem, pretty sure now they want them treated in treatment centers instead
 
2014-06-25 11:26:59 PM  

Taxbongo: Big Ramifications: Precision Boobery: Religion is the opiate of the masses.

No, wait, heroin is.  I always get those two mixed up.

I thought heroin was OUT? Sooo 1990s.

Anyway, it's METH SCOURGE in my home city. Heh heh. It's all "meth meth meth!" when a concerned cop gets his mug on TV.

I live in New Hampshire. Heroin is devastating the poor here.


Cut off their welfare then.
 
2014-06-25 11:27:02 PM  

Taxbongo: Heroin does significant damage

It is a public health issue

Yet trying to outright ban the drug has brought us nothing but bad results

What can be done to curb the tide?


Portugal has had success with their solution. They decriminalized drug addiction. Basically, heroin or other drugs are not legal, but it isn't a criminal offense to possess a small amount of it. When a person is caught with that small amount, they are sentenced by the court to drug counseling, rather than prison.
 
2014-06-25 11:27:14 PM  
www.peachridgeglass.com
 
2014-06-25 11:30:07 PM  
Heroin is KILLING the Cincinnati area. when it's 30$ for a Rx pain killer you got addicted to, or 10$ for a teenth of heroin, the heroin is winning. It affects the poor the worst. I'm just glad the attitude here seems to be "treatment" over "we need more tanks and mortars for patrol cops".

But no one wants to pay their taxes for anything here. and we're too busy in the race to the bottom for "jobs" that those taxes are never going to exist again either.
 
2014-06-25 11:31:08 PM  

JoieD'Zen: Taxbongo: Big Ramifications: Precision Boobery: Religion is the opiate of the masses.

No, wait, heroin is.  I always get those two mixed up.

I thought heroin was OUT? Sooo 1990s.

Anyway, it's METH SCOURGE in my home city. Heh heh. It's all "meth meth meth!" when a concerned cop gets his mug on TV.

I live in New Hampshire. Heroin is devastating the poor here.

Cut off their welfare then.


Right. You seem enlightened.

pion: Taxbongo: Heroin does significant damage

It is a public health issue

Yet trying to outright ban the drug has brought us nothing but bad results

What can be done to curb the tide?

Portugal has had success with their solution. They decriminalized drug addiction. Basically, heroin or other drugs are not legal, but it isn't a criminal offense to possess a small amount of it. When a person is caught with that small amount, they are sentenced by the court to drug counseling, rather than prison.


I can see how that could work. This drug is just so bad that it makes solutions like this difficult to agree on. I dont want to sell a gun to a suicidal person anymore than I want to have heroin sold to someone who wants to end their life via shooting up. These are our people. We need to help them and get the treatment they need to overcome
 
2014-06-25 11:33:02 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: These are the same people who were for years saying "Lock'em up" when they assumed it was only a black problem, pretty sure now they want them treated in treatment centers instead


Do you have a citation where the people of this community actually said that?  And how 'bout another citation detailed the racial makeup of the six people who died this year?
 
2014-06-25 11:35:40 PM  

pion: Portugal has had success with their solution. They decriminalized drug addiction. Basically, heroin or other drugs are not legal, but it isn't a criminal offense to possess a small amount of it. When a person is caught with that small amount, they are sentenced by the court to drug counseling, rather than prison.


What good is that if they want to keep using drugs?

I suppose you could just show up to the meetings, nod politely at the appropriate moments and pass the UAs until The Man stops watching.

A fine as a disincentive, that doesn't otherwise ruin your life, would make more sense IMHO.   It is ridiculous to jail someone for non-trafficing amounts of any sort of drug.
 
2014-06-25 11:35:48 PM  

Taxbongo: Big Ramifications: Precision Boobery: Religion is the opiate of the masses.

No, wait, heroin is.  I always get those two mixed up.

I thought heroin was OUT? Sooo 1990s.

Anyway, it's METH SCOURGE in my home city. Heh heh. It's all "meth meth meth!" when a concerned cop gets his mug on TV.

I live in New Hampshire. Heroin is devastating the poor here.


Cheers. I guess there would be a number of vectors driving the meth vs. heroin vs. whatever drug of choice.

*  Price
*  Availability
*  Consistency of product
*  What sort of high you are chasing
*  Length of high
*  The affect of the dumb things you do while high on that drug

Did I miss anything?

Like I said, it's all meth around deez here parts. Not only do you hardly hear of heroin junkies.... I have a pot-head friend who said it's become increasingly hard to find hydro. Organized crime has moved away from hydro weed coz there's more coin in meth.

I guess. Either that or they're users and they're addicted and getting high on their own supply. The bikie biker gangs are notorious meth users/dealers.
 
2014-06-25 11:40:19 PM  
I live in WV.  Where heroin is for those days you're feeling rich and meth is the "everyday" drug, and I mean every single farking day.  It's gotten so bad here people are stealing CDs out of cars.  When was the last time you could even sell a CD for money?
 
2014-06-25 11:41:22 PM  
I don't understand why the fact that people overdosed makes it more of an immediate problem. I mean, people absolutely freak the fark out when the drug of choice is pot, but when it's heroin they don't give a shiat until someone dies.
Also, I see abuse of drugs that are guaranteed to kill you eventually as a self-correcting problem.
 
2014-06-25 11:45:19 PM  

Big Ramifications: Precision Boobery: Religion is the opiate of the masses.

No, wait, heroin is.  I always get those two mixed up.

I thought heroin was OUT? Sooo 1990s.


Heck even in the 90's it was passé*.

Citation

/obscure
//or just old
 
2014-06-25 11:49:34 PM  

rkiller1: drjekel_mrhyde: These are the same people who were for years saying "Lock'em up" when they assumed it was only a black problem, pretty sure now they want them treated in treatment centers instead

Do you have a citation where the people of this community actually said that?  And how 'bout another citation detailed the racial makeup of the six people who died this year?


http://www.foxnews.com/health/2014/05/29/face-heroin-addiction-now-y ou ng-white-and-suburban/
 
2014-06-25 11:50:11 PM  

pion: Taxbongo: Heroin does significant damage

It is a public health issue

Yet trying to outright ban the drug has brought us nothing but bad results

What can be done to curb the tide?

Portugal has had success with their solution. They decriminalized drug addiction. Basically, heroin or other drugs are not legal, but it isn't a criminal offense to possess a small amount of it. When a person is caught with that small amount, they are sentenced by the court to drug counseling, rather than prison.


I read somewhere that they also provide clean needles, and I want to also say that the clinics give out the drug but I could be wrong about that.  Seems to me that since people are going to be addicts no matter what the legal consequences, it would probably cost society as a whole less to just provide them with free drugs and eliminate all the petty crime associated with supporting a habit.
 
2014-06-25 11:54:18 PM  

The hopeless imp: I don't understand why the fact that people overdosed makes it more of an immediate problem. I mean, people absolutely freak the fark out when the drug of choice is pot, but when it's heroin they don't give a shiat until someone dies.
Also, I see abuse of drugs that are guaranteed to kill you eventually as a self-correcting problem.


Because heroin addicts by and large don't drone on endlessly about how unfair it is that their drug of choice is illegal or how great Ron Paul is.

They're quieter junkies.
 
2014-06-25 11:57:05 PM  

TomD9938: pion: Portugal has had success with their solution. They decriminalized drug addiction. Basically, heroin or other drugs are not legal, but it isn't a criminal offense to possess a small amount of it. When a person is caught with that small amount, they are sentenced by the court to drug counseling, rather than prison.

What good is that if they want to keep using drugs?

I suppose you could just show up to the meetings, nod politely at the appropriate moments and pass the UAs until The Man stops watching.

A fine as a disincentive, that doesn't otherwise ruin your life, would make more sense IMHO.   It is ridiculous to jail someone for non-trafficing amounts of any sort of drug.


What do you do with people who can't afford the fine or otherwise won't pay it?
 
2014-06-25 11:58:24 PM  

JoieD'Zen: Taxbongo: Big Ramifications: Precision Boobery: Religion is the opiate of the masses.

No, wait, heroin is.  I always get those two mixed up.

I thought heroin was OUT? Sooo 1990s.

Anyway, it's METH SCOURGE in my home city. Heh heh. It's all "meth meth meth!" when a concerned cop gets his mug on TV.

I live in New Hampshire. Heroin is devastating the poor here.

Cut off their welfare then.


And then what?
 
2014-06-25 11:58:28 PM  
Woulda guessed oxy, but close enuf...
 
2014-06-26 12:00:19 AM  
24 reported heroin overdoses so far this year.
Six of them have been fatal, making heroin use an epidemic in the area, he said.


Six deaths is an epidemic?

www.realclearscience.com

No drug war fear-mongering hyperbole there, nosiree.
 
2014-06-26 12:02:09 AM  
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-06-26 12:03:04 AM  

el_pilgrim: Big Ramifications: Precision Boobery: Religion is the opiate of the masses.

No, wait, heroin is.  I always get those two mixed up.

I thought heroin was OUT? Sooo 1990s.

Heck even in the 90's it was passé*.

Citation

/obscure
//or just old


Well played! Great toon, too.

Have you seen the documentary Dig? Worth a look. Saw it a coupla months ago after sitting on my hard drive for almost 2 years.
 
2014-06-26 12:03:21 AM  

stoli n coke: The hopeless imp: I don't understand why the fact that people overdosed makes it more of an immediate problem. I mean, people absolutely freak the fark out when the drug of choice is pot, but when it's heroin they don't give a shiat until someone dies.
Also, I see abuse of drugs that are guaranteed to kill you eventually as a self-correcting problem.

Because heroin addicts by and large don't drone on endlessly about how unfair it is that their drug of choice is illegal or how great Ron Paul is.

They're quieter junkies.


It is because people like to pretend heroin addicts don't exists until the bodies start showing up in the morgue. Heroin is a disgusting habit and people don't like to acknowledge that it is a problem in their community. Heroin addicts are the invisible addicts until their bodies start piling up.
 
2014-06-26 12:05:10 AM  

Dafatone: What do you do with people who can't afford the fine or otherwise won't pay it?


Garnishment, liens, levys, etc.  How are unpaid speeding tickets handled?

/ the fines should be manageable too
 
2014-06-26 12:05:37 AM  

Big Ramifications: el_pilgrim: Big Ramifications:

Have you seen the documentary Dig? Worth a look. Saw it a coupla months ago after sitting on my hard drive for almost 2 years.


And boy did I have a sore ass. Hard drives are UNCOMFORTABLE.
 
2014-06-26 12:07:03 AM  

The hopeless imp: I don't understand why the fact that people overdosed makes it more of an immediate problem. I mean, people absolutely freak the fark out when the drug of choice is pot, but when it's heroin they don't give a shiat until someone dies.
Also, I see abuse of drugs that are guaranteed to kill you eventually as a self-correcting problem.


Yeah, it's not like it's a secret that heroin kills you. Reminds me of the pitbull owner on my facebook who posted for a year about how the concept of 'vicious breeds' was bullshiat and finally wrote about how he killed the dog because it bit somebody.
 
2014-06-26 12:09:41 AM  

Taxbongo: Heroin does significant damage

It is a public health issue

Yet trying to outright ban the drug has brought us nothing but bad results

What can be done to curb the tide?


[citation needed]

[all the damage, except for lack of formal drug education in schools, etc, comes from the black market. We literally kill our own sons and daughters in the hope that they, hypocritically unlike ourselves, will only address mental health concerns after waiting months or years to talk to a doctor that ends up prescribing you shiat just as bad long term, like effexor.

It's just not worth it, depending on the modern medical establishment for mental health and crisis that would be infinitely helped by a shamanistic/ritualistic use of psychotropics. Naw, lets demonize it so that doctors become priests inserting themselves between you and your mind.
 
2014-06-26 12:09:46 AM  

Big Ramifications: Precision Boobery: Religion is the opiate of the masses.

No, wait, heroin is.  I always get those two mixed up.

I thought heroin was OUT? Sooo 1990s.

Anyway, it's METH SCOURGE in my home city. Heh heh. It's all "meth meth meth!" when a concerned cop gets his mug on TV.


I live in southeast Ky. It's meth AND the heroin that is starting to show up here farking up people's lives. I would take 100 pillheads any day over one asshole who likes to shoot up and throw their needles where ever they please.
 
2014-06-26 12:10:32 AM  

TomD9938: What good is that if they want to keep using drugs?

I suppose you could just show up to the meetings, nod politely at the appropriate moments and pass the UAs until The Man stops watching.

A fine as a disincentive, that doesn't otherwise ruin your life, would make more sense IMHO.   It is ridiculous to jail someone for non-trafficing amounts of any sort of drug.


No public policy solution is going to solve 100% of drug addiction. You've got to do what's best for the most people, drug addicts included. Maybe some have to go through the system multiple times. Maybe some don't ever recover. But if more do, than maybe it might be worth it to give it a shot.  We need to have the policy in place that gives people the best chance.

The logic behind this solution makes sense, too. A person who has to talk to a drug counselor frequently, is probably less likely to fall off the wagon than one jailed alongside drug dealers. And anyone telling you there are no drugs in prison is lying. Or is the warden. And then he's probably lying and on the take.

The method I described has been more effective (in Portugal) at reducing addiction rates than just throwing people in jail. And it is more cost-effective than jail as well.  And believe me, I agree that we should come down just as hard on dealers and traffickers as we do now.

I like your idea about the fine. It would probably deter some more casual users, and recoup a fraction of the costs drug addiction has on our society.
 
KIA
2014-06-26 12:13:07 AM  
FTFA:  the United States has 5 percent of the world's population, but uses 60 percent of the world's illegal drugs

I'm looking at you, Congress!

If they wanted to really crack down on drugs, they and their staff would have to submit to regular checks and unscheduled checks as well, then go after Hollywood and Wall Street and actually arrest and prosecute rich people who can afford lawyers rather than poor people who can't.

Once they start doing that, then they will have the moral authority to demand drug testing for welfare recipients, and not before.
 
2014-06-26 12:13:39 AM  

A Terrible Human: Big Ramifications: Precision Boobery: Religion is the opiate of the masses.

No, wait, heroin is.  I always get those two mixed up.

I thought heroin was OUT? Sooo 1990s.

Anyway, it's METH SCOURGE in my home city. Heh heh. It's all "meth meth meth!" when a concerned cop gets his mug on TV.

I live in southeast Ky. It's meth AND the heroin that is starting to show up here farking up people's lives. I would take 100 pillheads any day over one asshole who likes to shoot up and throw their needles where ever they please.


Nothing like standardization to let people know how much and what they're taking. The very worst thing we do to addicts is require them to ingest actually dangerous substances. Frankly, there should be drug exchanges - if you can provide black market sourced material, we should offer to replace it with the same amount of a safe formulation, free.

but that would require compassion and common sense. And a lot of LEO losing their cash cows. People dead is far cheaper.
 
2014-06-26 12:14:40 AM  
 (pardon me,. "People dead is far cheaper profitable")
 
2014-06-26 12:23:33 AM  
Can you grow the poppies anywhere around there?

This could be the American solution
 
2014-06-26 12:30:13 AM  
Haven't heard much about it here in Hampton Roads, but back home in Chicago it was an absolute plague. Joliet is now the heroin capital of America, and walking through downtown, Boystown, or Hyde Park, you were guaranteed to see at least a couple of junkies along the way. I can name at least 2 dozen people I knew who did it in Hyde Park, even with all those police and Secret Service around.

Here in Hampton/Newport News? Not a peep, though I'm sure downtown NN is a whole other story.
 
2014-06-26 12:32:33 AM  

sobriquet by any other name: A Terrible Human: Big Ramifications: Precision Boobery: Religion is the opiate of the masses.

No, wait, heroin is.  I always get those two mixed up.

I thought heroin was OUT? Sooo 1990s.

Anyway, it's METH SCOURGE in my home city. Heh heh. It's all "meth meth meth!" when a concerned cop gets his mug on TV.

I live in southeast Ky. It's meth AND the heroin that is starting to show up here farking up people's lives. I would take 100 pillheads any day over one asshole who likes to shoot up and throw their needles where ever they please.

Nothing like standardization to let people know how much and what they're taking. The very worst thing we do to addicts is require them to ingest actually dangerous substances. Frankly, there should be drug exchanges - if you can provide black market sourced material, we should offer to replace it with the same amount of a safe formulation, free.

but that would require compassion and common sense. And a lot of LEO losing their cash cows. People dead is far cheaper.


Heroin's always been a big problem in northern KY, even when I was living and growing up there. Wouldn't be amazed if meth is starting to become a trend there.
 
2014-06-26 12:37:14 AM  
"The stat that really amazed me is that the United States has 5 percent of the world's population, but uses 60 percent of the world's illegal drugs," he said.

76 percent of statistics are pulled out of someone's ass, and that rises to 95% or more where the War on Civil Liberties Drugs is concerned.
 
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