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2014-06-25 06:31:54 PM  
This reminds me of the debate between Brown and Whitman during the 2010 campaign.

Whitman tried scoring "fiscal conservative" points by saying something like, "California used to be an economic powerhouse. Don't you want to return to the days of budget surpluses instead of year-over-year deficits?"

Brown replied, "You know who the governor was during those days? I WAS."

I need to find video of it to get the quotes just right. It's easily the sickest burn in a political debate since Lloyd Bentsen's "You're no Jack Kennedy" line. IIRC, Whitman was neck-and-neck in the polls until that line, then never recovered after it.
 
2014-06-25 07:00:46 PM  

BKITU: This reminds me of the debate between Brown and Whitman during the 2010 campaign.

Whitman tried scoring "fiscal conservative" points by saying something like, "California used to be an economic powerhouse. Don't you want to return to the days of budget surpluses instead of year-over-year deficits?"

Brown replied, "You know who the governor was during those days? I WAS."

I need to find video of it to get the quotes just right. It's easily the sickest burn in a political debate since Lloyd Bentsen's "You're no Jack Kennedy" line. IIRC, Whitman was neck-and-neck in the polls until that line, then never recovered after it.


She had no business running at all. Like Romney, she expected to buy the seat.
 
2014-06-25 07:59:20 PM  

dr_blasto: BKITU: This reminds me of the debate between Brown and Whitman during the 2010 campaign.

Whitman tried scoring "fiscal conservative" points by saying something like, "California used to be an economic powerhouse. Don't you want to return to the days of budget surpluses instead of year-over-year deficits?"

Brown replied, "You know who the governor was during those days? I WAS."

I need to find video of it to get the quotes just right. It's easily the sickest burn in a political debate since Lloyd Bentsen's "You're no Jack Kennedy" line. IIRC, Whitman was neck-and-neck in the polls until that line, then never recovered after it.

She had no business running at all. Like Romney, she expected to buy the seat.


Romney's actually pretty good at business, though, isn't he?
 
2014-06-25 08:18:16 PM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: dr_blasto: BKITU: This reminds me of the debate between Brown and Whitman during the 2010 campaign.

Whitman tried scoring "fiscal conservative" points by saying something like, "California used to be an economic powerhouse. Don't you want to return to the days of budget surpluses instead of year-over-year deficits?"

Brown replied, "You know who the governor was during those days? I WAS."

I need to find video of it to get the quotes just right. It's easily the sickest burn in a political debate since Lloyd Bentsen's "You're no Jack Kennedy" line. IIRC, Whitman was neck-and-neck in the polls until that line, then never recovered after it.

She had no business running at all. Like Romney, she expected to buy the seat.

Romney's actually pretty good at business, though, isn't he?


I don't know about that. He's certainly good at running private equity and converting credit to profit. I have no idea what his business management skills are. I do know he got a less-than-positive review of his "leadership" of Massachusetts.

General business and private equity are like comparing general practitioners to the people who remove organs: one is a group dedicated to keeping people healthy and alive, the other just take shiat and leave behind a corpse

GW Bush was a businessman.
 
2014-06-25 08:27:59 PM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: dr_blasto: BKITU: This reminds me of the debate between Brown and Whitman during the 2010 campaign.

Whitman tried scoring "fiscal conservative" points by saying something like, "California used to be an economic powerhouse. Don't you want to return to the days of budget surpluses instead of year-over-year deficits?"

Brown replied, "You know who the governor was during those days? I WAS."

I need to find video of it to get the quotes just right. It's easily the sickest burn in a political debate since Lloyd Bentsen's "You're no Jack Kennedy" line. IIRC, Whitman was neck-and-neck in the polls until that line, then never recovered after it.

She had no business running at all. Like Romney, she expected to buy the seat.

Romney's actually pretty good at business, though, isn't he?


If you rate success by how much money his vampire capital fund can suck out of companies, I suppose he's pretty good.  If you rate success as turning around struggling businesses without screwing over the employees, creating more desirable high paying jobs, and possessing any semblance of ethics, he's not so hot.
 
2014-06-25 08:28:42 PM  
I'd be a lot happier if Jerry dropped the high-speed train to Bumf*ck and the Delta SoCal Drinking Straws

/that'd save even more
 
2014-06-25 08:31:21 PM  
Impossible. He raised taxes. I was told the California economy was definitely going to crater after that.
 
2014-06-25 08:34:01 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Mitch Taylor's Bro: dr_blasto: BKITU: This reminds me of the debate between Brown and Whitman during the 2010 campaign.

Whitman tried scoring "fiscal conservative" points by saying something like, "California used to be an economic powerhouse. Don't you want to return to the days of budget surpluses instead of year-over-year deficits?"

Brown replied, "You know who the governor was during those days? I WAS."

I need to find video of it to get the quotes just right. It's easily the sickest burn in a political debate since Lloyd Bentsen's "You're no Jack Kennedy" line. IIRC, Whitman was neck-and-neck in the polls until that line, then never recovered after it.

She had no business running at all. Like Romney, she expected to buy the seat.

Romney's actually pretty good at business, though, isn't he?

If you rate success by how much money his vampire capital fund can suck out of companies, I suppose he's pretty good.  If you rate success as turning around struggling businesses without screwing over the employees, creating more desirable high paying jobs, and possessing any semblance of ethics, he's not so hot.


Maybe the people I know are just too liberal, but he's not well liked here in MA.
 
2014-06-25 08:40:54 PM  

dr_blasto: I don't know about that. He's certainly good at running private equity and converting credit to profit. I have no idea what his business management skills are. I do know he got a less-than-positive review of his "leadership" of Massachusetts.

General business and private equity are like comparing general practitioners to the people who remove organs: one is a group dedicated to keeping people healthy and alive, the other just take shiat and leave behind a corpse

GW Bush was a businessman.


TuteTibiImperes: If you rate success by how much money his vampire capital fund can suck out of companies, I suppose he's pretty good. If you rate success as turning around struggling businesses without screwing over the employees, creating more desirable high paying jobs, and possessing any semblance of ethics, he's not so hot.


Okay, that all sounds fair.

IMO, Meg Whitman overestimated her role in growing eBay (similar to the way many "day traders" overestimated their investing skills during the dot-com boom), but when things started to flatten out and she was dealing with actual problems at eBay, she decided to cash out. Nothing wrong with that, of course, but thinking she had the ability to run a state besieged by a massive drop in tax revenue, or even a large, legendary tech company that was being read its last rites, was where she fails. Perhaps Romney is the same?
 
2014-06-25 08:47:40 PM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: dr_blasto: I don't know about that. He's certainly good at running private equity and converting credit to profit. I have no idea what his business management skills are. I do know he got a less-than-positive review of his "leadership" of Massachusetts.

General business and private equity are like comparing general practitioners to the people who remove organs: one is a group dedicated to keeping people healthy and alive, the other just take shiat and leave behind a corpse

GW Bush was a businessman.

TuteTibiImperes: If you rate success by how much money his vampire capital fund can suck out of companies, I suppose he's pretty good. If you rate success as turning around struggling businesses without screwing over the employees, creating more desirable high paying jobs, and possessing any semblance of ethics, he's not so hot.

Okay, that all sounds fair.

IMO, Meg Whitman overestimated her role in growing eBay (similar to the way many "day traders" overestimated their investing skills during the dot-com boom), but when things started to flatten out and she was dealing with actual problems at eBay, she decided to cash out. Nothing wrong with that, of course, but thinking she had the ability to run a state besieged by a massive drop in tax revenue, or even a large, legendary tech company that was being read its last rites, was where she fails. Perhaps Romney is the same?


It's generally agreed that Meg Whitman had no plans at all to govern California. She never produced them against Brown. Her attempt to win the CA governor election was simply a prep to the the White House. Think of Meg as an uglier Ted Cruz.
 
2014-06-25 08:54:43 PM  
B...b...but Detroit!
 
2014-06-25 08:55:27 PM  

Delay: Mitch Taylor's Bro: dr_blasto: I don't know about that. He's certainly good at running private equity and converting credit to profit. I have no idea what his business management skills are. I do know he got a less-than-positive review of his "leadership" of Massachusetts.

General business and private equity are like comparing general practitioners to the people who remove organs: one is a group dedicated to keeping people healthy and alive, the other just take shiat and leave behind a corpse

GW Bush was a businessman.

TuteTibiImperes: If you rate success by how much money his vampire capital fund can suck out of companies, I suppose he's pretty good. If you rate success as turning around struggling businesses without screwing over the employees, creating more desirable high paying jobs, and possessing any semblance of ethics, he's not so hot.

Okay, that all sounds fair.

IMO, Meg Whitman overestimated her role in growing eBay (similar to the way many "day traders" overestimated their investing skills during the dot-com boom), but when things started to flatten out and she was dealing with actual problems at eBay, she decided to cash out. Nothing wrong with that, of course, but thinking she had the ability to run a state besieged by a massive drop in tax revenue, or even a large, legendary tech company that was being read its last rites, was where she fails. Perhaps Romney is the same?

It's generally agreed that Meg Whitman had no plans at all to govern California. She never produced them against Brown. Her attempt to win the CA governor election was simply a prep to the the White House. Think of Meg as an uglier Ted Cruz.


Or, just think of her as Meg.
silencedogood2010.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-06-25 08:56:14 PM  

BKITU: This reminds me of the debate between Brown and Whitman during the 2010 campaign.

Whitman tried scoring "fiscal conservative" points by saying something like, "California used to be an economic powerhouse. Don't you want to return to the days of budget surpluses instead of year-over-year deficits?"

Brown replied, "You know who the governor was during those days? I WAS."

I need to find video of it to get the quotes just right. It's easily the sickest burn in a political debate since Lloyd Bentsen's "You're no Jack Kennedy" line. IIRC, Whitman was neck-and-neck in the polls until that line, then never recovered after it.


Wow, that really happened?!  YOWZA, that was a grade-A, third degree sick-ass burn.
 
2014-06-25 08:57:37 PM  

dookdookdook: B...b...but Detroit!


Detroit is actually interesting. The problems there are pretty unique, the efforts by the city to manage their world are a mixed bag, but the sack of shiat foisted on them by the state is definitely not going to help matters.
 
2014-06-25 08:59:20 PM  
Hey, speaking of ol' Meggers... how's HP doin' these days?

/yeah... thought so
 
2014-06-25 08:59:36 PM  

Rwa2play: BKITU: This reminds me of the debate between Brown and Whitman during the 2010 campaign.

Whitman tried scoring "fiscal conservative" points by saying something like, "California used to be an economic powerhouse. Don't you want to return to the days of budget surpluses instead of year-over-year deficits?"

Brown replied, "You know who the governor was during those days? I WAS."

I need to find video of it to get the quotes just right. It's easily the sickest burn in a political debate since Lloyd Bentsen's "You're no Jack Kennedy" line. IIRC, Whitman was neck-and-neck in the polls until that line, then never recovered after it.

Wow, that really happened?!  YOWZA, that was a grade-A, third degree sick-ass burn.


http://gawker.com/5673732/meg-whitman-loved-california-when-jerry-br ow n-was-governor
 
2014-06-25 09:00:36 PM  
 
2014-06-25 09:02:49 PM  
I've been informed by Really Smart Informed Conservatives that California is a financial disaster and is right on the very edge of collapsing, probably taking the entire country down with it.

I've been informed of that for the past 15 years now.

They are generally the same people who inform me that Iran is 15 minutes away from nuking New York.
 
2014-06-25 09:06:15 PM  

BKITU: This reminds me of the debate between Brown and Whitman during the 2010 campaign.

Whitman tried scoring "fiscal conservative" points by saying something like, "California used to be an economic powerhouse. Don't you want to return to the days of budget surpluses instead of year-over-year deficits?"

Brown replied, "You know who the governor was during those days? I WAS."

I need to find video of it to get the quotes just right. It's easily the sickest burn in a political debate since Lloyd Bentsen's "You're no Jack Kennedy" line. IIRC, Whitman was neck-and-neck in the polls until that line, then never recovered after it.


Rwa2play: BKITU: This reminds me of the debate between Brown and Whitman during the 2010 campaign.

Whitman tried scoring "fiscal conservative" points by saying something like, "California used to be an economic powerhouse. Don't you want to return to the days of budget surpluses instead of year-over-year deficits?"

Brown replied, "You know who the governor was during those days? I WAS."

I need to find video of it to get the quotes just right. It's easily the sickest burn in a political debate since Lloyd Bentsen's "You're no Jack Kennedy" line. IIRC, Whitman was neck-and-neck in the polls until that line, then never recovered after it.

Wow, that really happened?!  YOWZA, that was a grade-A, third degree sick-ass burn.


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/10/25/913594/-Meg-Whitman-Admits- Ca lifornians-Should-Vote-for-Jerry-Brown

Not QUITE that. But still. Pretty bad burn.
 
2014-06-25 09:07:29 PM  

BKITU: This reminds me of the debate between Brown and Whitman during the 2010 campaign.

Whitman tried scoring "fiscal conservative" points by saying something like, "California used to be an economic powerhouse. Don't you want to return to the days of budget surpluses instead of year-over-year deficits?"

Brown replied, "You know who the governor was during those days? I WAS."

I need to find video of it to get the quotes just right. It's easily the sickest burn in a political debate since Lloyd Bentsen's "You're no Jack Kennedy" line. IIRC, Whitman was neck-and-neck in the polls until that line, then never recovered after it.


This ad?
 
2014-06-25 09:08:14 PM  
BENGHAZI indeed.....
 
2014-06-25 09:08:34 PM  
Brown \ Warren 2016!
 
2014-06-25 09:09:24 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I'd be a lot happier if Jerry dropped the high-speed train to Bumf*ck and the Delta SoCal Drinking Straws

/that'd save even more


Not so much. It's a public works project with significant local multiplayer effects. And the BFE start-off makes sense, too, because real estate in the central valley is significantly cheaper and easier to start construction in than the coastal locations. Think about it; which is cheaper and easier to demolish existing buildings and build high-speed tracks in? Fresno county, or downtown San Jose? Which is easier to demolish existing infrastructure and build arterial light rail? Stockton, or San Francisco? Brown is approaching high-speed rail logically.
 
2014-06-25 09:09:34 PM  

Mithiwithi: Rwa2play: BKITU: This reminds me of the debate between Brown and Whitman during the 2010 campaign.

Whitman tried scoring "fiscal conservative" points by saying something like, "California used to be an economic powerhouse. Don't you want to return to the days of budget surpluses instead of year-over-year deficits?"

Brown replied, "You know who the governor was during those days? I WAS."

I need to find video of it to get the quotes just right. It's easily the sickest burn in a political debate since Lloyd Bentsen's "You're no Jack Kennedy" line. IIRC, Whitman was neck-and-neck in the polls until that line, then never recovered after it.

Wow, that really happened?!  YOWZA, that was a grade-A, third degree sick-ass burn.

http://gawker.com/5673732/meg-whitman-loved-california-when-jerry-br ow n-was-governor


*shakes tiny fist*
 
2014-06-25 09:11:42 PM  
"Bengazi!"   Does this mean Sheldon Cooper is now influential in US foreign policy as well as physics?
 
2014-06-25 09:12:45 PM  
When you marginalize conservatives, society can actually function.
 
2014-06-25 09:19:16 PM  
Gee, that means California is only three notches below Texas, instead of five.

...and they got that rating increase because California's been working at decreasing their public debt instead of just piling it on.

So California got their increase by... doing what conservatives have been calling for for years.

How about that.
 
2014-06-25 09:21:33 PM  

Heraclitus: Brown \ Warren 2016!


Sherrod Brown? Hell, yeah! Oh, Jerry? You know what? Jerry is fantastically intelligent and farsighted. And he has an inspiring depth and breath of institutional knowledge. Jerry Brown's dedication to civil service is beyond compare. However, I feel most people are in the mood for a liberal-populist ticket. Yes, Jerry Brown has more than earned a cabinet position. But the master and commander needs to steer the ship to the populist left.
 
2014-06-25 09:22:17 PM  

Notabunny: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I'd be a lot happier if Jerry dropped the high-speed train to Bumf*ck and the Delta SoCal Drinking Straws

/that'd save even more

Not so much. It's a public works project with significant local multiplayer effects. And the BFE start-off makes sense, too, because real estate in the central valley is significantly cheaper and easier to start construction in than the coastal locations. Think about it; which is cheaper and easier to demolish existing buildings and build high-speed tracks in? Fresno county, or downtown San Jose? Which is easier to demolish existing infrastructure and build arterial light rail? Stockton, or San Francisco? Brown is approaching high-speed rail logically.


I don't think that thing is logical at all. Besides the starting section running between two places no one really wants to go in a hurry, the route is going to bypass a number of population centers. I think it's going to cost at least 10x the projections, and if the farms keep sucking out the ground water and causing subsidence at the current rate, the damned thing will never be able to do even 55 MPH much less be "high-speed"

/and don't even get me started on the peripheral canal tunnels
 
2014-06-25 09:22:25 PM  

Kibbler: I've been informed by Really Smart Informed Conservatives that California is a financial disaster and is right on the very edge of collapsing, probably taking the entire country down with it.

I've been informed of that for the past 15 years now.

They are generally the same people who inform me that Iran is 15 minutes away from nuking New York.


I can never help but laugh at the San Fran hate.  The Bay Area and NYC are the twin engines of capitalism in this country, but because of a few burnouts in Berkeley, conservatives think it's a socialist hellhole.
 
2014-06-25 09:23:55 PM  
There was a pretty good article recently about California's economy far outpacing the recovery the rest of the country, in terms of the housing industry, budget surplus, employment, etc.

Sure sounds like Obama and those democrats in CA are destroying EVERYTHING!
 
2014-06-25 09:24:42 PM  

cirby: Gee, that means California is only three notches below Texas, instead of five.

...and they got that rating increase because California's been working at decreasing their public debt instead of just piling it on.

So California got their increase by... doing what conservatives have been calling for for years.

How about that.


..... by raising taxes.

How about that.
 
2014-06-25 09:26:41 PM  
cirby: So California got their increase by... doing what conservatives have been calling for for years.*

*....but they actually never do.  Like when they elected the last conservative republican, twice, who ballooned the debt.


/Let's stop pretending that what "conservatives" call for but never do is something they deserve credit for.  Liberal Democrats have actually proven they are the most fiscally "conservative".
 
2014-06-25 09:27:12 PM  

Notabunny: It's a public works project with significant local multiplayer effects.


Hah! Sometimes autocorrect errors still work.
 
2014-06-25 09:28:04 PM  

MrSteve007: There was a pretty good article recently about California's economy far outpacing the recovery the rest of the country, in terms of the housing industry, budget surplus, employment, etc.

Sure sounds like Obama and those democrats in CA are destroying EVERYTHING!


Well to be far that's because California crashed harder than anywhere else besides Florida.
 
2014-06-25 09:28:13 PM  

MrSteve007: There was a pretty good article recently about California's economy far outpacing the recovery the rest of the country, in terms of the housing industry, budget surplus, employment, etc.

Sure sounds like Obama and those democrats in CA are destroying EVERYTHING!


Naw... we're two notches below Texas, didn't you hear?

/I sincerely hope more people in California will heed that wisdom and strike out for the golden shores of Texas, post haste
 
2014-06-25 09:31:57 PM  
Wait a second....raising taxes worked?

But I was told that it would result in every job leaving the state!
 
2014-06-25 09:32:18 PM  

Delay: uglier Ted Cruz


divide by zero? I think not
 
2014-06-25 09:33:08 PM  

Aldon: cirby: So California got their increase by... doing what conservatives have been calling for for years.*

*....but they actually never do.  Like when they elected the last conservative republican, twice, who ballooned the debt.


/Let's stop pretending that what "conservatives" call for but never do is something they deserve credit for.  Liberal Democrats have actually proven they are the most fiscally "conservative".


I'll go with this:

HotWingConspiracy: When you marginalize conservatives, society can actually function.

 
2014-06-25 09:33:40 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Notabunny: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I'd be a lot happier if Jerry dropped the high-speed train to Bumf*ck and the Delta SoCal Drinking Straws

/that'd save even more

Not so much. It's a public works project with significant local multiplayer effects. And the BFE start-off makes sense, too, because real estate in the central valley is significantly cheaper and easier to start construction in than the coastal locations. Think about it; which is cheaper and easier to demolish existing buildings and build high-speed tracks in? Fresno county, or downtown San Jose? Which is easier to demolish existing infrastructure and build arterial light rail? Stockton, or San Francisco? Brown is approaching high-speed rail logically.

I don't think that thing is logical at all. Besides the starting section running between two places no one really wants to go in a hurry, the route is going to bypass a number of population centers. I think it's going to cost at least 10x the projections, and if the farms keep sucking out the ground water and causing subsidence at the current rate, the damned thing will never be able to do even 55 MPH much less be "high-speed"

/and don't even get me started on the peripheral canal tunnels


You're right. "High speed" is a bunch of bunk. We agree on the peripheral canal, too. And also using fresh water to water parks and green bands and cemeteries. Gawd, how I wish I had the ban hammer for that offense. And we agree the farms use a metric assload of water. But where I think we part is that I support the farmers and Delta wetlands.
 
2014-06-25 09:35:55 PM  

Barricaded Gunman: Notabunny: It's a public works project with significant local multiplayer effects.

Hah! Sometimes autocorrect errors still work.


Ghaaa! Actually, I kinda giggle when my kids laugh at me 8)
 
2014-06-25 09:38:59 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: When you marginalize conservatives, society can actually function.


That is a very illiberal viewpoint. Conservatives deserve the same amount of representation that we do
 
2014-06-25 09:41:31 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I think it's going to cost at least 10x the projections


If you're going to make a statement like that and want to be taken seriously, you're going to have to show your work. The Big Dig was one of the worst overruns in recent history and was only 2.9x over the original budget in constant dollars. 10x over for a project that has barely started is quite a leap of faith for someone with nothing concrete to show.
 
2014-06-25 09:43:42 PM  

Notabunny: You're right. "High speed" is a bunch of bunk. We agree on the peripheral canal, too. And also using fresh water to water parks and green bands and cemeteries. Gawd, how I wish I had the ban hammer for that offense. And we agree the farms use a metric assload of water. But where I think we part is that I support the farmers and Delta wetlands.


Naw... we don't really part at all, but this drought is just the beginning

/we need more water storage and recycling
//we have too many people and farms to keep depending on runoff
 
2014-06-25 09:44:21 PM  

EngineerAU: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I think it's going to cost at least 10x the projections

If you're going to make a statement like that and want to be taken seriously, you're going to have to show your work. The Big Dig was one of the worst overruns in recent history and was only 2.9x over the original budget in constant dollars. 10x over for a project that has barely started is quite a leap of faith for someone with nothing concrete to show.


Well, excuse my rant, Sir
 
2014-06-25 09:47:58 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: When you marginalize conservatives, society can actually function.


They're not conservatives.  No matter how much they say it, nor how loud, it just isn't so.
Kinda' like a lot of the crap they say - but what do you expect from a group that thinks 'reality based' policy is a bad thing?
 
2014-06-25 09:48:12 PM  

cirby: Gee, that means California is only three notches below Texas, instead of five.


...and they got that rating increase because California's been working at decreasing their public debt instead of just piling it on.

So California got their increase by... doing what conservatives have been calling for for years.

How about that.


Actually they raised taxes...and unlike Texas, they boosted their rating without relying on revenue from being the country's biggest oil producer or gutting the social safety net, ie filling public coffers by taking money from the poorest citizens. Face it, CA is trending upwards because we all but eliminated republican influence.
 
2014-06-25 09:49:17 PM  

Taxbongo: HotWingConspiracy: When you marginalize conservatives, society can actually function.

That is a very illiberal viewpoint. Conservatives deserve the same amount of representation that we do


Nobody deserves parity in representation. If your ideas suck and your only remaining function is to ruin progress to the point that society has shaken you off like a dog does fleas, you're right where you belong.
 
2014-06-25 09:50:33 PM  

cirby: So California got their increase by... doing what conservatives have been calling for for years.


So why didn't Arnie do it? Too busy farking the maid?
 
2014-06-25 09:50:36 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Taxbongo: HotWingConspiracy: When you marginalize conservatives, society can actually function.

That is a very illiberal viewpoint. Conservatives deserve the same amount of representation that we do

Nobody deserves parity in representation. If your ideas suck and your only remaining function is to ruin progress to the point that society has shaken you off like a dog does fleas, you're right where you belong.


Disenfranchising peoples rights is wrong. Its wrong when they do it and its wrong when we do it.
 
2014-06-25 09:52:40 PM  

Taxbongo: HotWingConspiracy: When you marginalize conservatives, society can actually function.

That is a very illiberal viewpoint. Conservatives deserve the same amount of representation that we do


They deserve the representation they get from elections.

It just so happens that the people of California voted them out and put Democrats in to an almost 2:1 majority.

And the state's situation (fiscal and otherwise) has been improving rapidly ever since.

Crazy, huh?

/Of course, it helps that Brown is able to reign in some of the more extreme members of his own party, too
 
2014-06-25 09:54:23 PM  

dr_blasto: Mitch Taylor's Bro: dr_blasto: BKITU: This reminds me of the debate between Brown and Whitman during the 2010 campaign.

Whitman tried scoring "fiscal conservative" points by saying something like, "California used to be an economic powerhouse. Don't you want to return to the days of budget surpluses instead of year-over-year deficits?"

Brown replied, "You know who the governor was during those days? I WAS."

I need to find video of it to get the quotes just right. It's easily the sickest burn in a political debate since Lloyd Bentsen's "You're no Jack Kennedy" line. IIRC, Whitman was neck-and-neck in the polls until that line, then never recovered after it.

She had no business running at all. Like Romney, she expected to buy the seat.

Romney's actually pretty good at business, though, isn't he?

I don't know about that. He's certainly good at running private equity and converting credit to profit. I have no idea what his business management skills are. I do know he got a less-than-positive review of his "leadership" of Massachusetts.

General business and private equity are like comparing general practitioners to the people who remove organs: one is a group dedicated to keeping people healthy and alive, the other just take shiat and leave behind a corpse

GW Bush was a businessman.


So were Hoover and Harding.
 
2014-06-25 09:55:12 PM  

Taxbongo: HotWingConspiracy: Taxbongo: HotWingConspiracy: When you marginalize conservatives, society can actually function.

That is a very illiberal viewpoint. Conservatives deserve the same amount of representation that we do

Nobody deserves parity in representation. If your ideas suck and your only remaining function is to ruin progress to the point that society has shaken you off like a dog does fleas, you're right where you belong.

Disenfranchising peoples rights is wrong. Its wrong when they do it and its wrong when we do it.


What? No rights have been violated here. They're selling a product people aren't buying.
 
2014-06-25 09:55:36 PM  

Jragghen: Taxbongo: HotWingConspiracy: When you marginalize conservatives, society can actually function.

That is a very illiberal viewpoint. Conservatives deserve the same amount of representation that we do

They deserve the representation they get from elections.

It just so happens that the people of California voted them out and put Democrats in to an almost 2:1 majority.

And the state's situation (fiscal and otherwise) has been improving rapidly ever since.

Crazy, huh?

/Of course, it helps that Brown is able to reign in some of the more extreme members of his own party, too


Although CA is not a one party state, it has a supermajority that pretty much ensures that one side is marginalized

One party systems dont work. They always fail. Without fresh ideas you stagnate.
 
2014-06-25 09:56:43 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Taxbongo: HotWingConspiracy: Taxbongo: HotWingConspiracy: When you marginalize conservatives, society can actually function.

That is a very illiberal viewpoint. Conservatives deserve the same amount of representation that we do

Nobody deserves parity in representation. If your ideas suck and your only remaining function is to ruin progress to the point that society has shaken you off like a dog does fleas, you're right where you belong.

Disenfranchising peoples rights is wrong. Its wrong when they do it and its wrong when we do it.

What? No rights have been violated here. They're selling a product people aren't buying.


My apologies I must be misreading what you wrote. For clarification, were you saying that Republicans should have their voting rights marginalized?
 
2014-06-25 09:57:06 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Impossible. He raised taxes. I was told the California economy was definitely going to crater after that.


And cutting taxes like Christie gets your state's rating downgraded five times in four years.
 
2014-06-25 09:58:29 PM  

The Why Not Guy: cirby: So California got their increase by... doing what conservatives have been calling for for years.

So why didn't Arnie do it? Too busy farking the maid?


His celebrity got him In office & his adherence to his conservative ideology got him out.

I don't have anything against the man, he just shouldn't have been governor.

And he was anti tax tax tax.
 
2014-06-25 09:58:39 PM  

Witty_Retort: Dusk-You-n-Me: Impossible. He raised taxes. I was told the California economy was definitely going to crater after that.

And cutting taxes like Christie gets your state's rating downgraded five times in four years.


Financially stable states get better credit? What is this madness?
 
2014-06-25 09:58:50 PM  

Notabunny: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I'd be a lot happier if Jerry dropped the high-speed train to Bumf*ck and the Delta SoCal Drinking Straws

/that'd save even more

Not so much. It's a public works project with significant local multiplayer effects. And the BFE start-off makes sense, too, because real estate in the central valley is significantly cheaper and easier to start construction in than the coastal locations. Think about it; which is cheaper and easier to demolish existing buildings and build high-speed tracks in? Fresno county, or downtown San Jose?

Except that's not what they're going to do. The right of way already exists in San Jose, because the high speed rail line is going to share the existing tracks with Caltrain, which will soon be electrified. And what's south of there isn't quite so dense that it's impossible to build. There's plenty of lightly-developed land along side US 101.

While I can appreciate the selling point that you can get the fark out of Fresno at nearly 200 mph (and go to .. MERCED?), it's not a viable business model.

I'm as pro-rail as you'll find in California, and I'm opposed to the high speed line, because we can't even get regular rail to not suck yet. If you've ridden the Coast Starlight, you know what I'm talking about.
 
2014-06-25 09:59:33 PM  

Taxbongo: HotWingConspiracy: Taxbongo: HotWingConspiracy: Taxbongo: HotWingConspiracy: When you marginalize conservatives, society can actually function.

That is a very illiberal viewpoint. Conservatives deserve the same amount of representation that we do

Nobody deserves parity in representation. If your ideas suck and your only remaining function is to ruin progress to the point that society has shaken you off like a dog does fleas, you're right where you belong.

Disenfranchising peoples rights is wrong. Its wrong when they do it and its wrong when we do it.

What? No rights have been violated here. They're selling a product people aren't buying.

My apologies I must be misreading what you wrote. For clarification, were you saying that Republicans should have their voting rights marginalized?


No, not at all. The voters there have marginalized conservatives via a democratic process. When that happened, the state started to turn itself around.

Remaining conservatives should be free to vote as they please, it's just that their ideas will find no purchase there.
 
2014-06-25 10:00:03 PM  

D-Liver: Actually they raised taxes...and unlike Texas, they boosted their rating without relying on revenue from being the country's biggest oil producer or gutting the social safety net


Texans will probably hate to admit it, but oil is still the biggest driver of their growth.
 
2014-06-25 10:00:57 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Taxbongo: HotWingConspiracy: Taxbongo: HotWingConspiracy: Taxbongo: HotWingConspiracy: When you marginalize conservatives, society can actually function.

That is a very illiberal viewpoint. Conservatives deserve the same amount of representation that we do

Nobody deserves parity in representation. If your ideas suck and your only remaining function is to ruin progress to the point that society has shaken you off like a dog does fleas, you're right where you belong.

Disenfranchising peoples rights is wrong. Its wrong when they do it and its wrong when we do it.

What? No rights have been violated here. They're selling a product people aren't buying.

My apologies I must be misreading what you wrote. For clarification, were you saying that Republicans should have their voting rights marginalized?

No, not at all. The voters there have marginalized conservatives via a democratic process. When that happened, the state started to turn itself around.

Remaining conservatives should be free to vote as they please, it's just that their ideas will find no purchase there.


Ok, that was my mistake. Embarrassing.
 
2014-06-25 10:01:12 PM  

EngineerAU: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I think it's going to cost at least 10x the projections

If you're going to make a statement like that and want to be taken seriously, you're going to have to show your work. The Big Dig was one of the worst overruns in recent history and was only 2.9x over the original budget in constant dollars. 10x over for a project that has barely started is quite a leap of faith for someone with nothing concrete to show.


The Big Dig was doing things that had never been done before in this hemisphere in ground that didn't exist a few hundred years ago. Doing so while keeping the city open and being only 2.9x over isn't bad at all.
 
2014-06-25 10:04:07 PM  

ImpendingCynic: Notabunny: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I'd be a lot happier if Jerry dropped the high-speed train to Bumf*ck and the Delta SoCal Drinking Straws

/that'd save even more

Not so much. It's a public works project with significant local multiplayer effects. And the BFE start-off makes sense, too, because real estate in the central valley is significantly cheaper and easier to start construction in than the coastal locations. Think about it; which is cheaper and easier to demolish existing buildings and build high-speed tracks in? Fresno county, or downtown San Jose?
Except that's not what they're going to do. The right of way already exists in San Jose, because the high speed rail line is going to share the existing tracks with Caltrain, which will soon be electrified. And what's south of there isn't quite so dense that it's impossible to build. There's plenty of lightly-developed land along side US 101.

While I can appreciate the selling point that you can get the fark out of Fresno at nearly 200 mph (and go to .. MERCED?), it's not a viable business model.

I'm as pro-rail as you'll find in California, and I'm opposed to the high speed line, because we can't even get regular rail to not suck yet. If you've ridden the Coast Starlight, you know what I'm talking about.


I LOL'd heartily at your second paragraph.

/wants HS rail
 
2014-06-25 10:05:56 PM  

Mrtraveler01: D-Liver: Actually they raised taxes...and unlike Texas, they boosted their rating without relying on revenue from being the country's biggest oil producer or gutting the social safety net

Texans will probably hate to admit it, but oil is still the biggest driver of their growth.


And about 60% of the new jobs are minimum wage McJobs.
 
2014-06-25 10:10:18 PM  
enry:
The Big Dig was doing things that had never been done before in this hemisphere in ground that didn't exist a few hundred years ago. Doing so while keeping the city open and being only 2.9x over isn't bad at all.

Which is a shame, since it was originally supposed to be $2.8 billion, and ended up being $15 billion. And once they include interest, it's going to be $22 billion.

That's either 5 times or 7.8 times over - not 2.9.

Which is kinda expensive for a tunnel that has ceilings that fall down (and kill people). And lighting fixtures that all had to be replaced (for another $50 million or so). And the other problems, of course.
 
2014-06-25 10:16:18 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: When you marginalize conservatives, society can actually function.

 
2014-06-25 10:19:28 PM  

cirby: enry:
The Big Dig was doing things that had never been done before in this hemisphere in ground that didn't exist a few hundred years ago. Doing so while keeping the city open and being only 2.9x over isn't bad at all.

Which is a shame, since it was originally supposed to be $2.8 billion, and ended up being $15 billion. And once they include interest, it's going to be $22 billion.

That's either 5 times or 7.8 times over - not 2.9.

Which is kinda expensive for a tunnel that has ceilings that fall down (and kill people). And lighting fixtures that all had to be replaced (for another $50 million or so). And the other problems, of course.


Most public works projects go over budget.  However, they create a lot of jobs, and they make the area better when they're complete.

I'm still pissed that Gov. Voldemort threw away the rail money that should have come to FL.  I suppose our loss is California's gain.  With any luck he'll be thrown out on his ass in November.
 
2014-06-25 10:23:44 PM  
i347.photobucket.com
Nice! Caly just had it's credit rating upgrayedd
whodidwhatnow?
nvm, gelato?
Kk!
 
2014-06-25 10:28:16 PM  

cirby: Gee, that means California is only three notches below Texas, instead of five.

...and they got that rating increase because California's been working at decreasing their public debt instead of just piling it on.

So California got their increase by... doing what conservatives have been calling for for years.

How about that.


So are you saying that conservatives have been calling for tax increases on the wealthy for years? Or are you saying that you haven't the slightest farking clue about the topic and really enjoy embarrassing yourself by posting from a position of complete ignorance?
 
2014-06-25 10:35:07 PM  

tinyarena: [i347.photobucket.com image 350x245]
Nice! Caly just had it's credit rating upgrayedd
whodidwhatnow?
nvm, gelato?
Kk!


It's funny because California is the only state with ignorant motherfarkers running around

img.fark.net

/at least braindead beach skanks aren't trying to mobilize their fellow morons into a national political movement
 
2014-06-25 10:39:36 PM  

dookdookdook:
It's funny because California is the only state with ignorant motherfarkers running around

/at least braindead beach skanks aren't trying to mobilize their fellow morons into a national political movement


But it would be totes Grand if they did!
I'd vote more often, if you know what I mean, and I think you do
 
2014-06-25 10:42:17 PM  

tinyarena: Nice! Caly just had it's credit rating upgrayedd
whodidwhatnow?
nvm, gelato?
Kk!


Those girls seem nice, to watch rollerskate.
 
2014-06-25 10:49:01 PM  

Isitoveryet: tinyarena: Nice! Caly just had it's credit rating upgrayedd
whodidwhatnow?
nvm, gelato?
Kk!

Those girls seem nice, to watch rollerskate.


Nonono

/Listen to the wisdom of these sages who know what California REALLY is, and what Californians REALLY are
//don't come here
///if you're already here, RUN AWAY!
 
2014-06-25 10:50:13 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: I'm still pissed that Gov. Voldemort threw away the rail money that should have come to FL.  I suppose our loss is California's gain.


That was farked up. Everyone voted for it too. Scott is a cock.
 
2014-06-25 10:51:27 PM  

dookdookdook: It's funny because California is the only state with ignorant motherfarkers running around


While not the only state with this issue, you have to admit that there is a lot of stupid that California can produce.

After all, Issa was elected.
 
2014-06-25 10:56:27 PM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: dr_blasto: I don't know about that. He's certainly good at running private equity and converting credit to profit. I have no idea what his business management skills are. I do know he got a less-than-positive review of his "leadership" of Massachusetts.

General business and private equity are like comparing general practitioners to the people who remove organs: one is a group dedicated to keeping people healthy and alive, the other just take shiat and leave behind a corpse

GW Bush was a businessman.

TuteTibiImperes: If you rate success by how much money his vampire capital fund can suck out of companies, I suppose he's pretty good. If you rate success as turning around struggling businesses without screwing over the employees, creating more desirable high paying jobs, and possessing any semblance of ethics, he's not so hot.

Okay, that all sounds fair.

IMO, Meg Whitman overestimated her role in growing eBay (similar to the way many "day traders" overestimated their investing skills during the dot-com boom), but when things started to flatten out and she was dealing with actual problems at eBay, she decided to cash out. Nothing wrong with that, of course, but thinking she had the ability to run a state besieged by a massive drop in tax revenue, or even a large, legendary tech company that was being read its last rites, was where she fails. Perhaps Romney is the same?


My boss was her boss 25+ years ago. He's a rigid old bastard. He says she's always been as "worthless as birth control pills at a gay bar".
 
2014-06-25 10:57:02 PM  

fuhfuhfuh: dookdookdook: It's funny because California is the only state with ignorant motherfarkers running around

While not the only state with this issue, you have to admit that there is a lot of stupid that California can produce.

After all, Issa was elected.


No argument there.

pbs.twimg.com
 
2014-06-25 10:58:03 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Texans will probably hate to admit it, but oil is still the biggest driver of their growth.


You know where else is a desert wasteland run by anti-intellectual religious conservatives wearing silly headgear, that only gets paid attention to because it produces oil?
 
2014-06-25 10:59:22 PM  

fuhfuhfuh: dookdookdook: It's funny because California is the only state with ignorant motherfarkers running around

While not the only state with this issue, you have to admit that there is a lot of stupid that California can produce.

After all, Issa was elected.


Im in that cocksuckers district... its a good mix of left & right & to be honest with you, we don't hear much locally about him. I think voters remorse has set in & hopefully he will have lost the local support with his shenanigans.
 
2014-06-25 11:02:06 PM  

evil saltine: No argument there.


I never get tired of white trash and their misspelled protest signs. They always have that same smug, shiat eating grin on their face too.
 
2014-06-25 11:04:51 PM  

Isitoveryet: fuhfuhfuh: dookdookdook: It's funny because California is the only state with ignorant motherfarkers running around

While not the only state with this issue, you have to admit that there is a lot of stupid that California can produce.

After all, Issa was elected.

Im in that cocksuckers district... its a good mix of left & right & to be honest with you, we don't hear much locally about him. I think voters remorse has set in & hopefully he will have lost the local support with his shenanigans.


Afterthought... those south orange county conservative are farking nuts & plenty of anti Obama bumper stickers, if you catch my drift.

/drift?
/yeah, I guess Californians are crazy.
 
2014-06-25 11:11:10 PM  

Isitoveryet: tinyarena: Nice! Caly just had it's credit rating upgrayedd
whodidwhatnow?
nvm, gelato?
Kk!

Those girls seem nice, to watch rollerskate.


Actually, most of the women I know who look like that have Ph.D.'s
Most of them can kick my teeth down my throat
Several of them could shoot me from long range
And one of them could dissect me

So, I got that going for me
which is nice
 
2014-06-25 11:14:41 PM  
Truly Taxifornia is doomed now.

This is a repeat from every year for the past 30 years.
 
2014-06-25 11:22:48 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Isitoveryet: tinyarena: Nice! Caly just had it's credit rating upgrayedd
whodidwhatnow?
nvm, gelato?
Kk!

Those girls seem nice, to watch rollerskate.

Nonono

/Listen to the wisdom of these sages who know what California REALLY is, and what Californians REALLY are
//don't come here
///if you're already here, RUN AWAY!


img.fark.net
 
2014-06-25 11:25:36 PM  

tinyarena: Isitoveryet: tinyarena: Nice! Caly just had it's credit rating upgrayedd
whodidwhatnow?
nvm, gelato?
Kk!

Those girls seem nice, to watch rollerskate.

Actually, most of the women I know who look like that have Ph.D.'s
Most of them can kick my teeth down my throat
Several of them could shoot me from long range
And one of them could dissect me

So, I got that going for me
which is nice


You live near Westwood, huh? :p
 
2014-06-25 11:26:51 PM  

Cpl.D: Lunchlady: cirby: Gee, that means California is only three notches below Texas, instead of five.

...and they got that rating increase because California's been working at decreasing their public debt instead of just piling it on.

So California got their increase by... doing what conservatives have been calling for for years.

How about that.

..... by raising taxes.

How about that.

And it took a Democrat to do something a Republican promised.  How about that?


Arnold talked about blowing up the boxes of government. He even spent tax money gathering expensive people together to think of ideas. Then, he did fark all about it. He did install a cigar smoking tent (since removed) and also a bear statue (still there). Whoo-eee. He also bankrupted many businesses in Sacramento with the 3 day furlough (which didn't actually save any state money) and was unable to create an on-time state budget or balance a budget or really, do anything.

Jerry is actually blowing up the boxes of government and without wasting money. Closed some departments and merged their functions...realignment is a huge change...came up with a rational idea to actually balance the budget by (gasp) raising taxes and cutting spending (rationally). Budgets have been on time and are rational. Some things he's done I'm not in favor of but I can live with them. Not sure the peripheral canal or high speed rail is a good idea but we'll see if he can make it work.
 
2014-06-25 11:28:09 PM  
California needs to get the following things fixed IMO:

1)  Sort out the water issues.  We need high altitude reservoirs and we need to let the bottom of the central valley farms die.  There isn't enough water for farming in Bakersfield.

2)  Clean out the old laws.  We have a bunch of old nanny state laws on the books for no reason.  Start stripping them and replace as many regulations with cash transfers as possible.

3)  Focus on the state's diversity strengths.  We need to get east asian languages being taught in primary schools and we need to run ahead of the Feds on immigration.  Turn the whole state into a sanctuary state.

4)  Rebuild the property tax system.  The local governments need their own strong revenue streams so we can move the fiscal issues out of Sacramento.

5)  Streamline the residential building process.  Housing prices in California are a joke.  Residential needs to easier to build.
 
2014-06-25 11:38:01 PM  
Jerry Brown is the first politician I'm proud I've voted for. Combined with making changes in the CA legislature (so getting certain tax- and budget-related items no longer requires a supermajority) our government actually works again! No more gridlock!
 
2014-06-26 12:13:33 AM  
There's a reason Jerry Brown carries such a HUGE margin in polling for the upcoming elections...he's a politician that doesn't give a shiat about getting elected, so can actually govern in a way that is honest, logical, and unburdened by kissing ass to the parties.  Props to him...he's a grumpy old coot in person, but he's a damn fine governor.
 
2014-06-26 12:14:02 AM  
Yeah... In Michigan it went the other way. Snyder ran his campaign on the "run the state like a business" ideal that has suddenly become so popular with dumb conservatives, and wouldn't you know? Things got worse.

They have been filling potholes with loose gravel because there's no money for actually repairing the roads. Detroit is under the control of an Emergency Financial Dictator who thinks it's "teaching the people a lesson" to shut off all the power without warning during a heat wave, and the movie studios that once were thought to be a great new industry for Michigan have had their tax incentives yanked and are looking elsewhere to set up shop.

Thanks. That "running the state like a business" is working out great. Jerk.
 
2014-06-26 12:18:04 AM  

The Why Not Guy: cirby: So California got their increase by... doing what conservatives have been calling for for years.

So why didn't Arnie do it? Too busy farking the maid?


Because he was a Republican, and he ran on "I'm not Gray Davis!" why do you think?
 
2014-06-26 12:20:24 AM  

Gyrfalcon: The Why Not Guy: cirby: So California got their increase by... doing what conservatives have been calling for for years.

So why didn't Arnie do it? Too busy farking the maid?

Because he was a Republican, and he ran on "I'm not Gray Davis!" why do you think?


Arnie made Gray Davis look like farking FDR.
 
2014-06-26 12:34:41 AM  
The issue of illegal immigrants in Arizona and to a degree Texas "Wharrrragarrrrrble", the issue of illegal immigrants in California "Well, how do we deal with this?"....one of those actually works.
 
2014-06-26 12:37:50 AM  

Gyrfalcon: The Why Not Guy: cirby: So California got their increase by... doing what conservatives have been calling for for years.

So why didn't Arnie do it? Too busy farking the maid?

Because he was a Republican, and he ran on "I'm not Gray Davis!" why do you think?


Don't blame me

/I voted for Gary Coleman
 
2014-06-26 12:42:11 AM  

BKITU: This reminds me of the debate between Brown and Whitman during the 2010 campaign.

Whitman tried scoring "fiscal conservative" points by saying something like, "California used to be an economic powerhouse. Don't you want to return to the days of budget surpluses instead of year-over-year deficits?"

Brown replied, "You know who the governor was during those days? I WAS."

I need to find video of it to get the quotes just right. It's easily the sickest burn in a political debate since Lloyd Bentsen's "You're no Jack Kennedy" line. IIRC, Whitman was neck-and-neck in the polls until that line, then never recovered after it.


Oh damn, I need to see that.  Wow.
 
2014-06-26 12:43:12 AM  

cirby: Gee, that means California is only three notches below Texas, instead of five.

...and they got that rating increase because California's been working at decreasing their public debt instead of just piling it on.

So California got their increase by... doing what conservatives have been calling for for years.

How about that.


so when people like you say something stupid like this, then see all the replies pointing out just how stupid you comment was, and why, do you feel embarrassed? even a tiny bit?
 
2014-06-26 12:43:25 AM  

Gyrfalcon: The Why Not Guy: cirby: So California got their increase by... doing what conservatives have been calling for for years.

So why didn't Arnie do it? Too busy farking the maid?

Because he was a Republican, and he ran on "I'm not Gray Davis!" why do you think?


He was too busy fighting his own party in the end and still couldn't break the stupid 2/3 majority rule to pass a budget.  Arnold was a moderate and the state GOP is full of intractable wingnuts.  He was also very inexperienced and naive when it came to politics.  Davis is an old veteran who was considered more fiscally conservative than Reagan back when he was governor.  That's the problem about electing non-politicians into government; they usually have no farking clue about what they're doing.
 
2014-06-26 12:50:25 AM  

Nix Nightbird: They have been filling potholes with loose gravel because there's no money for actually repairing the roads.


...or because you can't repair the roads with anything else in the middle of winter?  Now that it's warmed up they're doing more permanent patches.  The state needs more money for repairs, but what you said isn't relevant.

Nix Nightbird: and the movie studios that once were thought to be a great new industry for Michigan have had their tax incentives yanked and are looking elsewhere to set up shop.


I'm still mad about that.  In one incredibly stupid move, they killed what was shaping up to be a new industry in a state that desperately needs one.
 
2014-06-26 12:51:50 AM  

Taxbongo: Disenfranchising peoples rights is wrong. Its wrong when they do it and its wrong when we do it.


Losing elections and concomitant power is not disenfranchisement.
 
2014-06-26 01:04:47 AM  

ImpendingCynic: Notabunny: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I'd be a lot happier if Jerry dropped the high-speed train to Bumf*ck and the Delta SoCal Drinking Straws

/that'd save even more

Not so much. It's a public works project with significant local multiplayer effects. And the BFE start-off makes sense, too, because real estate in the central valley is significantly cheaper and easier to start construction in than the coastal locations. Think about it; which is cheaper and easier to demolish existing buildings and build high-speed tracks in? Fresno county, or downtown San Jose?
Except that's not what they're going to do. The right of way already exists in San Jose, because the high speed rail line is going to share the existing tracks with Caltrain, which will soon be electrified. And what's south of there isn't quite so dense that it's impossible to build. There's plenty of lightly-developed land along side US 101.

While I can appreciate the selling point that you can get the fark out of Fresno at nearly 200 mph (and go to .. MERCED?), it's not a viable business model.

I'm as pro-rail as you'll find in California, and I'm opposed to the high speed line, because we can't even get regular rail to not suck yet. If you've ridden the Coast Starlight, you know what I'm talking about.



I just rode that two weeks ago. It was a freaking great time!  And pretty cheap!
 
2014-06-26 01:31:25 AM  
Meanwhile the credit rating of New Jersey has dropped while Gov. Christie (R-eally fat) has been in office.
 
2014-06-26 01:37:21 AM  

BKITU: This reminds me of the debate between Brown and Whitman during the 2010 campaign.

Whitman tried scoring "fiscal conservative" points by saying something like, "California used to be an economic powerhouse. Don't you want to return to the days of budget surpluses instead of year-over-year deficits?"

Brown replied, "You know who the governor was during those days? I WAS."

I need to find video of it to get the quotes just right. It's easily the sickest burn in a political debate since Lloyd Bentsen's "You're no Jack Kennedy" line. IIRC, Whitman was neck-and-neck in the polls until that line, then never recovered after it.


I was amazed that she and the republicans tried to attack Brown on fiscal responsibility (as if the republicans have ever been fiscally conservative, no matter how much they like to crow about it).  Brown's reputation was built on his penny-pinching and fiscal discipline.  The dude lived in an apartment instead of the governor's mansion and drove a crappy car around, for god's sake.
 
2014-06-26 01:55:48 AM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Impossible. He raised taxes. I was told the California economy was definitely going to crater after that.


I know.  It's as if conservative economics was a pile of nonsense made up by lunatics.
 
2014-06-26 02:08:59 AM  

tinyarena: Nice! Caly just had it's credit rating upgrayedd
whodidwhatnow?
nvm, gelato?
Kk!


Do you have any cool photos of the huge wildabeasts that live in your flyover state?
 
2014-06-26 02:36:10 AM  

Fart_Machine: Gyrfalcon: The Why Not Guy: cirby: So California got their increase by... doing what conservatives have been calling for for years.

So why didn't Arnie do it? Too busy farking the maid?

Because he was a Republican, and he ran on "I'm not Gray Davis!" why do you think?

He was too busy fighting his own party in the end and still couldn't break the stupid 2/3 majority rule to pass a budget.  Arnold was a moderate and the state GOP is full of intractable wingnuts.  He was also very inexperienced and naive when it came to politics.  Davis is an old veteran who was considered more fiscally conservative than Reagan back when he was governor.  That's the problem about electing non-politicians into government; they usually have no farking clue about what they're doing.


That, and a lot of outsiders are only of middling intelligence in general, so they can get easily taken by lobbyists and other entrenched interests.
 
2014-06-26 02:52:00 AM  

Darth_Lukecash: ImpendingCynic: Notabunny: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I'd be a lot happier if Jerry dropped the high-speed train to Bumf*ck and the Delta SoCal Drinking Straws

/that'd save even more

Not so much. It's a public works project with significant local multiplayer effects. And the BFE start-off makes sense, too, because real estate in the central valley is significantly cheaper and easier to start construction in than the coastal locations. Think about it; which is cheaper and easier to demolish existing buildings and build high-speed tracks in? Fresno county, or downtown San Jose?
Except that's not what they're going to do. The right of way already exists in San Jose, because the high speed rail line is going to share the existing tracks with Caltrain, which will soon be electrified. And what's south of there isn't quite so dense that it's impossible to build. There's plenty of lightly-developed land along side US 101.

While I can appreciate the selling point that you can get the fark out of Fresno at nearly 200 mph (and go to .. MERCED?), it's not a viable business model.

I'm as pro-rail as you'll find in California, and I'm opposed to the high speed line, because we can't even get regular rail to not suck yet. If you've ridden the Coast Starlight, you know what I'm talking about.


I just rode that two weeks ago. It was a freaking great time!  And pretty cheap!


The point of the route 99 HSR alignment is, among other reasons, is to make those farm towns into viable bedroom communities for the SF bay and LA basin commuters. And maybe a population shift is what's needed to moderate that Jesus and crystal meth portion of the state.
 
2014-06-26 02:56:19 AM  

log_jammin: cirby: Gee, that means California is only three notches below Texas, instead of five.

...and they got that rating increase because California's been working at decreasing their public debt instead of just piling it on.

So California got their increase by... doing what conservatives have been calling for for years.

How about that.

so when people like you say something stupid like this, then see all the replies pointing out just how stupid you comment was, and why, do you feel embarrassed? even a tiny bit?


Why should anyone be embarrassed about what a bunch of strangers on the internet think? You really take this shiat seriously? Lol, wow....
 
2014-06-26 03:02:36 AM  

IMDWalrus: Nix Nightbird: They have been filling potholes with loose gravel because there's no money for actually repairing the roads.

...or because you can't repair the roads with anything else in the middle of winter?  Now that it's warmed up they're doing more permanent patches.  The state needs more money for repairs, but what you said isn't relevant.


No... this isn't a "middle of winter" thing. They just did the loose gravel LAST WEEK. During the spring they were doing tar & gravel, and in some places jst plain dirt (yeah, that worked well). During the winter they did nothing at all. There was a pothole in front of my place that was about the size of a small car, and they left it for almost three months.

I haven't seen any decent permanent patches, and I see a lot  of roads. My day job involves driving around the eastern side of the state all week. There's not much being done on most of the back roads and residential roads. It's only the highways and expressways that are getting any attention, and even there it's minimal.
 
2014-06-26 03:09:03 AM  

Bane of Broone: log_jammin: cirby: Gee, that means California is only three notches below Texas, instead of five.

...and they got that rating increase because California's been working at decreasing their public debt instead of just piling it on.

So California got their increase by... doing what conservatives have been calling for for years.

How about that.

so when people like you say something stupid like this, then see all the replies pointing out just how stupid you comment was, and why, do you feel embarrassed? even a tiny bit?

Why should anyone be embarrassed about what a bunch of strangers on the internet think? You really take this shiat seriously? Lol, wow....


Then you surely won't mind when I point out that that was a stupid thing to say, and that you're stupid for saying it.
 
2014-06-26 03:15:24 AM  
FTA: "The Moody's upgrade affected $86 billion of debt..."

California's state government has 132.6 billion in debt. Add projected unfunded liabilities and it looks like it's over a trillion. With a population of 38 million, that's about $3500/$29,000 per person. And don't even think about adding county/local debt (it's in the link).

Glad I don't live in CA anymore.
 
2014-06-26 04:01:04 AM  

DrPainMD: FTA: "The Moody's upgrade affected $86 billion of debt..."

California's state government has 132.6 billion in debt. Add projected unfunded liabilities and it looks like it's over a trillion. With a population of 38 million, that's about $3500/$29,000 per person. And don't even think about adding county/local debt (it's in the link).

Glad I don't live in CA anymore.


Every time there's a knock at the door, I expect to see a jackbooted gubmint thug presenting me with a bill for $30K
 
2014-06-26 06:28:54 AM  

Bane of Broone: Why should anyone be embarrassed about what a bunch of strangers on the internet think?


I didn't say he should be about what a bunch of strangers on the internet think.

I asked if he feels embarrassed when he says something demonstrably stupid, and it is then demonstrated why it was stupid.

stupid is stupid, whether it's on the internet or in real life.


You really take this shiat seriously? Lol, wow....

Trust me, I don't take you seriously at all.
 
2014-06-26 06:32:52 AM  

DrPainMD: FTA: "The Moody's upgrade affected $86 billion of debt..."

California's state government has 132.6 billion in debt. Add projected unfunded liabilities and it looks like it's over a trillion. With a population of 38 million, that's about $3500/$29,000 per person. And don't even think about adding county/local debt (it's in the link).

Glad I don't live in CA anymore.


One of the minor side benefits of the superior way we run our state is that it runs a lot of ignorant creeps off.
Not enough - there are still infestations of them in the sticks, where there is no education or culture. But by and large, a lot of crappy people and institutions have bugged out of California lately, and it's a real blessing.
We don't need any more retarded hicks here.
 
2014-06-26 06:47:11 AM  

DrPainMD: FTA: "The Moody's upgrade affected $86 billion of debt..."

California's state government has 132.6 billion in debt. Add projected unfunded liabilities and it looks like it's over a trillion. With a population of 38 million, that's about $3500/$29,000 per person. And don't even think about adding county/local debt (it's in the link).

Glad I don't live in CA anymore.


I find figures estimating everyone's equal share of government debt as useful as figures estimating the total years experience of a company. No, no one owes $3500 or $29000 as a share of state debt, just like no company has 160 years experience just because 4 people have been working there for 40 years each.

And we're glad you don't live here anymore, too.
 
2014-06-26 07:07:23 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Mitch Taylor's Bro: dr_blasto: BKITU: This reminds me of the debate between Brown and Whitman during the 2010 campaign.

Whitman tried scoring "fiscal conservative" points by saying something like, "California used to be an economic powerhouse. Don't you want to return to the days of budget surpluses instead of year-over-year deficits?"

Brown replied, "You know who the governor was during those days? I WAS."

I need to find video of it to get the quotes just right. It's easily the sickest burn in a political debate since Lloyd Bentsen's "You're no Jack Kennedy" line. IIRC, Whitman was neck-and-neck in the polls until that line, then never recovered after it.

She had no business running at all. Like Romney, she expected to buy the seat.

Romney's actually pretty good at business, though, isn't he?

If you rate success by how much money his vampire capital fund can suck out of companies, I suppose he's pretty good.  If you rate success as turning around struggling businesses without screwing over the employees, creating more desirable high paying jobs, and possessing any semblance of ethics, he's not so hot.


Wifey's company is in the process of getting Bained.  Very successful company, began in 1981, headquartered in our town.  7,500 to 8,000 employees, major employer in town.  For many years it was known as an awesome place to work.  About 10 years ago "activist" shareholders began biatching about company growth.  The business was never "struggling," but was not making profits like it did in earlier years.  This of course, is due to the nature of the type of business it's in, but investors don't want to hear about  R&D cycles, etc...  3 years ago they succeeded in getting the longtime CEO axed.  He was replaced with a Wall Street CEO.  Shortly thereafter, the manufacturing division was outsourced to Asia.  Sales staff was slashed, departments have been merged, the CEO has been shopping a headquarter move to any state that will foot the bill for the move and a promise of a tax incentive.  Wifey has seen the Bain playbook in action.  She's been asked to justify her job.  Despite the fact that her job benefits customers and develops goodwill, her job has been labeled non-essential as it does not directly contribute financially in short term bottom line accounting.  Wifey has about 4 more months before she's out, along with the other 1/3 of the workers to be laid off.  The company's been on a buying binge, acquiring other, similar companies.  With debt.   The end result is that within 2-3 years, this company will be gone, via merge or move.  But not completely gone.  Plans call to leave the senior executives here, because no doubt they don't want to live in some shiathole community with horrid weather in Georgia, Texas or other southern states in the running.  Rumors abound on how much Bain is making for their "services."  For all the Romney cocksuckers out there who want to claim that he's a great businessman, just DIAF.
 
2014-06-26 07:51:40 AM  

evil saltine: No argument there.

pbs.twimg.com


...is that Robin Williams?
=Smidge=
 
2014-06-26 08:16:37 AM  

DrPainMD: FTA: "The Moody's upgrade affected $86 billion of debt..."

California's state government has 132.6 billion in debt. Add projected unfunded liabilities and it looks like it's over a trillion. With a population of 38 million, that's about $3500/$29,000 per person. And don't even think about adding county/local debt (it's in the link).

Glad I don't live in CA anymore.


I'm glad Republicans aren't piling on debt via tax cuts anymore.
 
2014-06-26 08:53:44 AM  

Bane of Broone: Why should anyone be embarrassed about what a bunch of strangers on the internet think? You really take this shiat seriously? Lol, wow....


It's hard to get noticed for being stupid on the internet, but you just managed it. Congratulations!
 
2014-06-26 09:07:48 AM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: Romney's actually pretty good at business, though, isn't he?


It helps to have a rich daddy to set you up and train you from birth.
 
2014-06-26 09:18:09 AM  
img404.imageshack.us

I'm sure everything will be just fine now.  Crisis averted.
 
2014-06-26 09:35:30 AM  

BlueDWarrior: That, and a lot of outsiders are only of middling intelligence in general, so they can get easily taken by lobbyists and other entrenched interests.


This has been an interesting exchange. A liberal Democrat achieves something pretty much everyone agrees is a good thing.

Poster A: well, it's what Republicans have been demanding for years.
Poster B: so why didn't the previous Republican governor do it?
Poster C: excuses
Poster D: more excuses

So the liberal Democrat who actually got it done gets no props, while the Republican who didn't even try gets excuses.
 
2014-06-26 09:43:06 AM  

The Why Not Guy: This has been an interesting exchange. A liberal Democrat achieves something pretty much everyone agrees is a good thing.

Poster A: well, it's what Republicans have been demanding for years.
Poster B: so why didn't the previous Republican governor do it?
Poster C: excuses
Poster D: more excuses

So the liberal Democrat who actually got it done gets no props, while the Republican who didn't even try gets excuses.


And not only that, but as has already been pointed out, poster A's premise is completely false; the Republicans haven't been demanding tax increases for years.
 
2014-06-26 09:48:53 AM  

D-Liver: cirby: Gee, that means California is only three notches below Texas, instead of five.


...and they got that rating increase because California's been working at decreasing their public debt instead of just piling it on.

So California got their increase by... doing what conservatives have been calling for for years.

How about that.

Actually they raised taxes...and unlike Texas, they boosted their rating without relying on revenue from being the country's biggest oil producer or gutting the social safety net, ie filling public coffers by taking money from the poorest citizens. Face it, CA is trending upwards because we all but eliminated republican influence.


Yep - and unlike Texas, California managed to do all of this while having a developed-world level of services and a proper social safety net. You know, Texas, I'm sure Somalia also isn't running a deficit; it's easy not to go in the hole when you don't spend anything in the first place. Low-tax, low-service, low-regulation states (in most cases this coincides with "The South") rank the lowest in almost every quality-of-life measure. Plus, Texas is full of reality-denying fundamentalist wackos who have so much power they run the place. It's pretty rich for a lunatic craphole like Texas to be gloating over being better than California, but by all means carry on.
 
2014-06-26 09:49:39 AM  

evil saltine: fuhfuhfuh: dookdookdook: It's funny because California is the only state with ignorant motherfarkers running around

While not the only state with this issue, you have to admit that there is a lot of stupid that California can produce.

After all, Issa was elected.

No argument there.

[pbs.twimg.com image 600x450]


Not to mention California is a hotbed of the anti-vaxxer movement
 
2014-06-26 09:58:23 AM  

Taxbongo: One party systems dont work. They always fail. Without fresh ideas you stagnate.


Conservatives do not produce "fresh" ideas by definition. They hark back to a mythical golden age and pretend the solutions of 200 years ago are perfectly applicable today. By your definition of what society needs to survive, disenfranchising them is actually in the national interest.

But then again, I am pretty sure you are mouthing talking points and pretending to have deep thoughts. Most people with blatantly political handles are, no matter the "side" they are taking.
 
2014-06-26 09:58:38 AM  
NO1CURR.

your state is still a shiathole and your residents are fleeing to my state for a better life.

in short, fark off cali farks.
 
2014-06-26 10:17:18 AM  

xtech: NO1CURR.

your state is still a shiathole and your residents are fleeing to my state for a better life.

in short, fark off cali farks.


There are many beautiful places in this great country; I'm glad you live in one of them.  California isn't a good fit for everyone; thanks for providing an additional choice for them.
 
2014-06-26 10:19:22 AM  

xtech: your state is still a shiathole

[Citation Needed]  and your residents are fleeing to my state [Citation Needed] for a better life. [Citation Needed]
 
2014-06-26 10:27:03 AM  

Geotpf: xtech: your state is still a shiathole [Citation Needed]  and your residents are fleeing to my state [Citation Needed] for a better life. [Citation Needed]


google.com

wow that was hrd.
 
2014-06-26 10:32:29 AM  

xtech: NO1CURR.

your state is still a shiathole and your residents are fleeing to my state for a better life.

in short, fark off cali farks.


larvalsubjects.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-06-26 10:43:18 AM  

xtech: Geotpf: xtech: your state is still a shiathole [Citation Needed]  and your residents are fleeing to my state [Citation Needed] for a better life. [Citation Needed]

google.com

wow that was hrd.


You know, trolling is an unbecoming trait for a young woman.
 
2014-06-26 10:54:01 AM  

xtech: NO1CURR.

your state is still a shiathole and your residents are fleeing to my state for a better life.

in short, fark off cali farks.


You mean the rich pompous assholes that couldn't buy themselves a new state up north, or break into six states for some Republican control?

They'll be truly missed, I'm sure. You brave soul, you.
 
2014-06-26 10:55:23 AM  

D-Liver: cirby: Gee, that means California is only three notches below Texas, instead of five.


...and they got that rating increase because California's been working at decreasing their public debt instead of just piling it on.

So California got their increase by... doing what conservatives have been calling for for years.

How about that.

Actually they raised taxes...and unlike Texas, they boosted their rating without relying on revenue from being the country's biggest oil producer or gutting the social safety net, ie filling public coffers by taking money from the poorest citizens. Face it, CA is trending upwards because we all but eliminated republican influence.


It's amazing what drawing sane district boundaries can accomplish.
 
2014-06-26 11:08:30 AM  

LadySusan: rnold talked about blowing up the boxes of government. He even spent tax money gathering expensive people together to think of ideas. Then, he did fark all about it. He did install a cigar smoking tent (since removed) and also a bear statue (still there). Whoo-eee. He also bankrupted many businesses in Sacramento with the 3 day furlough (which didn't actually save any state money) and was unable to create an on-time state budget or balance a budget or really, do anything.

Jerry is actually blowing up the boxes of government and without wasting money. Closed some departments and merged their functions...realignment is a huge change...came up with a rational idea to actually balance the budget by (gasp) raising taxes and cutting spending (rationally). Budgets have been on time and are rational. Some things he's done I'm not in favor of but I can live with them. Not sure the peripheral canal or high speed rail is a good idea but we'll see if he can make it work.


You what changed? Prop 25. It eliminated the 2/3 majority requirement for passing budgets, which the Republican minority used to obstruct any attempt at passing budgets. Arnold, while decently popular with the electorate, never seemed to be truly accepted by the state GOP. Arnie was effectively a lame duck for his entire tenure (not to say he had any grand plans anyway, but it wouldn't have mattered).

When prop 25 passed, the out-sized power of the minority was curtailed, and the state has been on an upward fiscal trajectory since. It's funny how actually attempting to govern produces better results than just shiatting on everything. The national GOP should take note.
 
2014-06-26 11:11:18 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: [img404.imageshack.us image 269x197]

I'm sure everything will be just fine now.  Crisis averted.


2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-06-26 11:15:32 AM  

xtech: Geotpf: xtech: your state is still a shiathole [Citation Needed]  and your residents are fleeing to my state [Citation Needed] for a better life. [Citation Needed]

google.com

wow that was hrd.


Lazy trolls are the worst trolls.
 
2014-06-26 11:22:29 AM  

xtech: NO1CURR.

your state is still a shiathole and your residents are fleeing to my state for a better life.

in short, fark off cali farks.


I just want to let you know, these changes your body is going through are normal. You'll bleed for a few days every month from now until 60, but your massive collection of cats and knitting will be able to keep you company through the loneliness.
 
2014-06-26 11:28:15 AM  

cirby: Gee, that means California is only three notches below Texas, instead of five.

...and they got that rating increase because California's been working at decreasing their public debt instead of just piling it on.

So California got their increase by... doing what conservatives have been calling for for years.

How about that.


Wat?

His plan is working because we've broken the Conservative millstone around our necks blocking tax increases to pay for mandated spending by ballot initiatives approved by the electorate. If that feedback lop of hire taxes to pay for spending was in place earlier, we wouldn't have had a problem.
 
2014-06-26 11:35:17 AM  
I love this:

GOP: "Cut taxes and gut social spending to fix all issues"
GOP: does nothing, obstructs any attempt to improve things
Dem: win complete control of the government, increase taxes and cut spending without gutting social programs resulting in a strong fiscal postion
GOP: "you can thank us now as we deserve thecredit for this recovery"

Also, do people really think that these ratings are only determined by looking at the short term? The raised credit rating certainly indicates that these groups believe the situation is better for the long term.
 
2014-06-26 11:45:42 AM  

xtech: Geotpf: xtech: your state is still a shiathole [Citation Needed]  and your residents are fleeing to my state [Citation Needed] for a better life. [Citation Needed]

google.com

wow that was hrd.


According to Google, California population grows by 332,000 to 38.2 million
 
2014-06-26 01:21:04 PM  

Taxbongo: One party systems dont work. They always fail. Without fresh ideas you stagnate.


You heard it here first, folks. The Republican Party is the Party of Fresh Ideas! They're like Subway in Party form! The Will Smith of political parties, that's the GOP.

shut up.
 
2014-06-26 01:23:57 PM  
 
2014-06-26 01:28:24 PM  

Wooly Bully: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: shut up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjEXW4G8v68


groovy
 
2014-06-26 02:55:54 PM  

cirby: Gee, that means California is only three notches below Texas, instead of five.

...and they got that rating increase because California's been working at decreasing their public debt instead of just piling it on.

So California got their increase by... doing what conservatives have been calling for for years.

How about that.


Raising taxes and curbing spending?

I think not. That is what Democrats have been calling for years.

The republicans think cutting taxes means more revenue.
 
2014-06-26 02:57:22 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: MrSteve007: There was a pretty good article recently about California's economy far outpacing the recovery the rest of the country, in terms of the housing industry, budget surplus, employment, etc.

Sure sounds like Obama and those democrats in CA are destroying EVERYTHING!

Naw... we're two notches below Texas, didn't you hear?

/I sincerely hope more people in California will heed that wisdom and strike out for the golden shores of Texas, post haste


I'd rather have a sister in a whorehouse than a brother in Austin.
 
2014-06-26 03:02:47 PM  

Mentat: Kibbler: I've been informed by Really Smart Informed Conservatives that California is a financial disaster and is right on the very edge of collapsing, probably taking the entire country down with it.

I've been informed of that for the past 15 years now.

They are generally the same people who inform me that Iran is 15 minutes away from nuking New York.

I can never help but laugh at the San Fran hate.  The Bay Area and NYC are the twin engines of capitalism in this country, but because of a few burnouts in Berkeley, conservatives think it's a socialist hellhole.


Really. Outside of SF Bay Area and NYC, maybe one can claim Chicago as the major drivers of US economic growth. Digging holes in the ground for oil is not innovation, Texas.
 
2014-06-26 03:10:19 PM  

Taxbongo: Jragghen: Taxbongo: HotWingConspiracy: When you marginalize conservatives, society can actually function.

That is a very illiberal viewpoint. Conservatives deserve the same amount of representation that we do

They deserve the representation they get from elections.

It just so happens that the people of California voted them out and put Democrats in to an almost 2:1 majority.

And the state's situation (fiscal and otherwise) has been improving rapidly ever since.

Crazy, huh?

/Of course, it helps that Brown is able to reign in some of the more extreme members of his own party, too

Although CA is not a one party state, it has a supermajority that pretty much ensures that one side is marginalized

One party systems dont work. They always fail. Without fresh ideas you stagnate.


Bad party systems don't work. Good party systems, whether it's one or more, work. We in the US have a two-party system where one party is hell-bent on proving that the government does not and cannot work by sabotaging everything the government does. Why should they be involved in governing at all? Let those who can govern do the job.
 
2014-06-26 03:12:28 PM  

xtech: NO1CURR.

your state is still a shiathole and your residents are fleeing to my state for a better life.

in short, fark off cali farks.


Funny, I just took a week camping in the high Sierra's. While hiking through the alpine meadows under the shining sun, traveling over the passes where the emigrants died trying to reach the golden state, viewing the crystal clear waters of Tahoe, coming back home through the fertile fields of the San Joaquin valley just to see the long and comforting view of the sea shore from my bedroom window in the grandly majestic city of San Francisco between two bridges, I thought to myself wow what a shiathole.

This week I'm going down to the pleasant hellhole that is Santa Barbara to see some friends.
 
2014-06-26 03:14:31 PM  

Taxbongo: HotWingConspiracy: Taxbongo: HotWingConspiracy: Taxbongo: HotWingConspiracy: When you marginalize conservatives, society can actually function.

That is a very illiberal viewpoint. Conservatives deserve the same amount of representation that we do

Nobody deserves parity in representation. If your ideas suck and your only remaining function is to ruin progress to the point that society has shaken you off like a dog does fleas, you're right where you belong.

Disenfranchising peoples rights is wrong. Its wrong when they do it and its wrong when we do it.

What? No rights have been violated here. They're selling a product people aren't buying.

My apologies I must be misreading what you wrote. For clarification, were you saying that Republicans should have their voting rights marginalized?


I don't think anyone is making that claim. What most liberals are saying is that Republican dogma aren't worth the dog-crap they're based on and we're under no obligation to listen to or heed their incessant pointless and irrelevant whining. They voters can vote however they want. The representatives are whoever the electorate choose, and in CA, most of the representatives are of the (D) type. Those with the (R) after their name can do whatever they want, but given their lack of political muscle in Sacramento, the (D) representatives are under no obligation to yield to their stupid rehashed ideas. (NOTE: there has been no fresh ideas from the GOP since ever.)
 
2014-06-26 03:15:18 PM  
Jerry Brown is the best conservative executive this country has had in decades.
 
2014-06-26 03:23:20 PM  
Canada (roughly the same population size as California) lost its AAA rating in the 1990's.  Any guesses how we got our AAA rating back.  Here's a hint, it involved additional revenue.
 
2014-06-26 03:30:05 PM  

hammettman: Wifey's company is in the process of getting Bained. Very successful company, began in 1981, headquartered in our town. 7,500 to 8,000 employees, major employer in town. For many years it was known as an awesome place to work. About 10 years ago "activist" shareholders began biatching about company growth. The business was never "struggling," but was not making profits like it did in earlier years. This of course, is due to the nature of the type of business it's in, but investors don't want to hear about R&D cycles, etc... 3 years ago they succeeded in getting the longtime CEO axed. He was replaced with a Wall Street CEO. Shortly thereafter, the manufacturing division was outsourced to Asia. Sales staff was slashed, departments have been merged, the CEO has been shopping a headquarter move to any state that will foot the bill for the move and a promise of a tax incentive. Wifey has seen the Bain playbook in action. She's been asked to justify her job. Despite the fact that her job benefits customers and develops goodwill, her job has been labeled non-essential as it does not directly contribute financially in short term bottom line accounting. Wifey has about 4 more months before she's out, along with the other 1/3 of the workers to be laid off. The company's been on a buying binge, acquiring other, similar companies. With debt. The end result is that within 2-3 years, this company will be gone, via merge or move. But not completely gone. Plans call to leave the senior executives here, because no doubt they don't want to live in some shiathole community with horrid weather in Georgia, Texas or other southern states in the running. Rumors abound on how much Bain is making for their "services." For all the Romney cocksuckers out there who want to claim that he's a great businessman, just DIAF.


I don't see a problem here. Your wife isn't owed a job. If she drops her entitled attitude and gets skills that make her worth something, she'll do well. If she wants to whine about how unfair life is she won't get far.
 
2014-06-26 04:34:43 PM  

Penman: hammettman: Wifey's company is in the process of getting Bained. Very successful company, began in 1981, headquartered in our town. 7,500 to 8,000 employees, major employer in town. For many years it was known as an awesome place to work. About 10 years ago "activist" shareholders began biatching about company growth. The business was never "struggling," but was not making profits like it did in earlier years. This of course, is due to the nature of the type of business it's in, but investors don't want to hear about R&D cycles, etc... 3 years ago they succeeded in getting the longtime CEO axed. He was replaced with a Wall Street CEO. Shortly thereafter, the manufacturing division was outsourced to Asia. Sales staff was slashed, departments have been merged, the CEO has been shopping a headquarter move to any state that will foot the bill for the move and a promise of a tax incentive. Wifey has seen the Bain playbook in action. She's been asked to justify her job. Despite the fact that her job benefits customers and develops goodwill, her job has been labeled non-essential as it does not directly contribute financially in short term bottom line accounting. Wifey has about 4 more months before she's out, along with the other 1/3 of the workers to be laid off. The company's been on a buying binge, acquiring other, similar companies. With debt. The end result is that within 2-3 years, this company will be gone, via merge or move. But not completely gone. Plans call to leave the senior executives here, because no doubt they don't want to live in some shiathole community with horrid weather in Georgia, Texas or other southern states in the running. Rumors abound on how much Bain is making for their "services." For all the Romney cocksuckers out there who want to claim that he's a great businessman, just DIAF.

I don't see a problem here. Your wife isn't owed a job. If she drops her entitled attitude and gets skills that make her worth something, she'll do well. If she wa ...



And stop saying "Wifey". You sound like a creepier Ned Flanders. But jobs being outsourced is a problem, especially when the jobs being outsourced are productive as opposed to Wifey's. Outsourcing looks good on this quarter's bottom line but it winds up biting them in the ass in the long run and everyone suffers. But I'm out of that biz so I don't give a shiat.
 
2014-06-26 04:51:29 PM  

jso2897: DrPainMD: FTA: "The Moody's upgrade affected $86 billion of debt..."

California's state government has 132.6 billion in debt. Add projected unfunded liabilities and it looks like it's over a trillion. With a population of 38 million, that's about $3500/$29,000 per person. And don't even think about adding county/local debt (it's in the link).

Glad I don't live in CA anymore.

One of the minor side benefits of the superior way we run our state is that it runs a lot of ignorant creeps off.
Not enough - there are still infestations of them in the sticks, where there is no education or culture. But by and large, a lot of crappy people and institutions have bugged out of California lately, and it's a real blessing.
We don't need any more retarded hicks here.


I employ 17 people and my company had gross revenues of just under $4.5 million last year. THAT'S what CA is running off.
 
2014-06-26 06:37:00 PM  

Notabunny: Fresno county


Fresno? No one goes to Fresno anymore
 
2014-06-26 07:31:32 PM  

Fart_Machine: xtech: Geotpf: xtech: your state is still a shiathole [Citation Needed]  and your residents are fleeing to my state [Citation Needed] for a better life. [Citation Needed]

google.com

wow that was hrd.

Lazy trolls are the worst trolls.


Account created: 2014-01-26

I wonder whose alt it is?
 
2014-06-26 07:48:42 PM  

DrPainMD: jso2897: DrPainMD: FTA: "The Moody's upgrade affected $86 billion of debt..."

California's state government has 132.6 billion in debt. Add projected unfunded liabilities and it looks like it's over a trillion. With a population of 38 million, that's about $3500/$29,000 per person. And don't even think about adding county/local debt (it's in the link).

Glad I don't live in CA anymore.

One of the minor side benefits of the superior way we run our state is that it runs a lot of ignorant creeps off.
Not enough - there are still infestations of them in the sticks, where there is no education or culture. But by and large, a lot of crappy people and institutions have bugged out of California lately, and it's a real blessing.
We don't need any more retarded hicks here.

I employ 17 people and my company had gross revenues of just under $4.5 million last year. THAT'S what CA is running off.


First, you assume that you would have the same in CA.

Second, there are thousands of people more than willing to start operate businesses in CA. The state has a population growth rate of 2.9%, a half a percent above the average.

Third, CA has a GDP of $2,000,000 million, I doubt they are too worried about that 0.0002%.
 
2014-06-27 04:30:09 AM  

DrPainMD: I employ 17 people and my company had gross revenues of just under $4.5 million last year. THAT'S what CA is running off.


It's true guys. I even found his picture on his companies website.

i131.photobucket.com
 
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