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2014-06-25 06:31:54 PM  
This reminds me of the debate between Brown and Whitman during the 2010 campaign.

Whitman tried scoring "fiscal conservative" points by saying something like, "California used to be an economic powerhouse. Don't you want to return to the days of budget surpluses instead of year-over-year deficits?"

Brown replied, "You know who the governor was during those days? I WAS."

I need to find video of it to get the quotes just right. It's easily the sickest burn in a political debate since Lloyd Bentsen's "You're no Jack Kennedy" line. IIRC, Whitman was neck-and-neck in the polls until that line, then never recovered after it.
 
2014-06-25 07:00:46 PM  

BKITU: This reminds me of the debate between Brown and Whitman during the 2010 campaign.

Whitman tried scoring "fiscal conservative" points by saying something like, "California used to be an economic powerhouse. Don't you want to return to the days of budget surpluses instead of year-over-year deficits?"

Brown replied, "You know who the governor was during those days? I WAS."

I need to find video of it to get the quotes just right. It's easily the sickest burn in a political debate since Lloyd Bentsen's "You're no Jack Kennedy" line. IIRC, Whitman was neck-and-neck in the polls until that line, then never recovered after it.


She had no business running at all. Like Romney, she expected to buy the seat.
 
2014-06-25 07:59:20 PM  

dr_blasto: BKITU: This reminds me of the debate between Brown and Whitman during the 2010 campaign.

Whitman tried scoring "fiscal conservative" points by saying something like, "California used to be an economic powerhouse. Don't you want to return to the days of budget surpluses instead of year-over-year deficits?"

Brown replied, "You know who the governor was during those days? I WAS."

I need to find video of it to get the quotes just right. It's easily the sickest burn in a political debate since Lloyd Bentsen's "You're no Jack Kennedy" line. IIRC, Whitman was neck-and-neck in the polls until that line, then never recovered after it.

She had no business running at all. Like Romney, she expected to buy the seat.


Romney's actually pretty good at business, though, isn't he?
 
2014-06-25 08:18:16 PM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: dr_blasto: BKITU: This reminds me of the debate between Brown and Whitman during the 2010 campaign.

Whitman tried scoring "fiscal conservative" points by saying something like, "California used to be an economic powerhouse. Don't you want to return to the days of budget surpluses instead of year-over-year deficits?"

Brown replied, "You know who the governor was during those days? I WAS."

I need to find video of it to get the quotes just right. It's easily the sickest burn in a political debate since Lloyd Bentsen's "You're no Jack Kennedy" line. IIRC, Whitman was neck-and-neck in the polls until that line, then never recovered after it.

She had no business running at all. Like Romney, she expected to buy the seat.

Romney's actually pretty good at business, though, isn't he?


I don't know about that. He's certainly good at running private equity and converting credit to profit. I have no idea what his business management skills are. I do know he got a less-than-positive review of his "leadership" of Massachusetts.

General business and private equity are like comparing general practitioners to the people who remove organs: one is a group dedicated to keeping people healthy and alive, the other just take shiat and leave behind a corpse

GW Bush was a businessman.
 
2014-06-25 08:27:59 PM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: dr_blasto: BKITU: This reminds me of the debate between Brown and Whitman during the 2010 campaign.

Whitman tried scoring "fiscal conservative" points by saying something like, "California used to be an economic powerhouse. Don't you want to return to the days of budget surpluses instead of year-over-year deficits?"

Brown replied, "You know who the governor was during those days? I WAS."

I need to find video of it to get the quotes just right. It's easily the sickest burn in a political debate since Lloyd Bentsen's "You're no Jack Kennedy" line. IIRC, Whitman was neck-and-neck in the polls until that line, then never recovered after it.

She had no business running at all. Like Romney, she expected to buy the seat.

Romney's actually pretty good at business, though, isn't he?


If you rate success by how much money his vampire capital fund can suck out of companies, I suppose he's pretty good.  If you rate success as turning around struggling businesses without screwing over the employees, creating more desirable high paying jobs, and possessing any semblance of ethics, he's not so hot.
 
2014-06-25 08:28:42 PM  
I'd be a lot happier if Jerry dropped the high-speed train to Bumf*ck and the Delta SoCal Drinking Straws

/that'd save even more
 
2014-06-25 08:31:21 PM  
Impossible. He raised taxes. I was told the California economy was definitely going to crater after that.
 
2014-06-25 08:34:01 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Mitch Taylor's Bro: dr_blasto: BKITU: This reminds me of the debate between Brown and Whitman during the 2010 campaign.

Whitman tried scoring "fiscal conservative" points by saying something like, "California used to be an economic powerhouse. Don't you want to return to the days of budget surpluses instead of year-over-year deficits?"

Brown replied, "You know who the governor was during those days? I WAS."

I need to find video of it to get the quotes just right. It's easily the sickest burn in a political debate since Lloyd Bentsen's "You're no Jack Kennedy" line. IIRC, Whitman was neck-and-neck in the polls until that line, then never recovered after it.

She had no business running at all. Like Romney, she expected to buy the seat.

Romney's actually pretty good at business, though, isn't he?

If you rate success by how much money his vampire capital fund can suck out of companies, I suppose he's pretty good.  If you rate success as turning around struggling businesses without screwing over the employees, creating more desirable high paying jobs, and possessing any semblance of ethics, he's not so hot.


Maybe the people I know are just too liberal, but he's not well liked here in MA.
 
2014-06-25 08:40:54 PM  

dr_blasto: I don't know about that. He's certainly good at running private equity and converting credit to profit. I have no idea what his business management skills are. I do know he got a less-than-positive review of his "leadership" of Massachusetts.

General business and private equity are like comparing general practitioners to the people who remove organs: one is a group dedicated to keeping people healthy and alive, the other just take shiat and leave behind a corpse

GW Bush was a businessman.


TuteTibiImperes: If you rate success by how much money his vampire capital fund can suck out of companies, I suppose he's pretty good. If you rate success as turning around struggling businesses without screwing over the employees, creating more desirable high paying jobs, and possessing any semblance of ethics, he's not so hot.


Okay, that all sounds fair.

IMO, Meg Whitman overestimated her role in growing eBay (similar to the way many "day traders" overestimated their investing skills during the dot-com boom), but when things started to flatten out and she was dealing with actual problems at eBay, she decided to cash out. Nothing wrong with that, of course, but thinking she had the ability to run a state besieged by a massive drop in tax revenue, or even a large, legendary tech company that was being read its last rites, was where she fails. Perhaps Romney is the same?
 
2014-06-25 08:47:40 PM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: dr_blasto: I don't know about that. He's certainly good at running private equity and converting credit to profit. I have no idea what his business management skills are. I do know he got a less-than-positive review of his "leadership" of Massachusetts.

General business and private equity are like comparing general practitioners to the people who remove organs: one is a group dedicated to keeping people healthy and alive, the other just take shiat and leave behind a corpse

GW Bush was a businessman.

TuteTibiImperes: If you rate success by how much money his vampire capital fund can suck out of companies, I suppose he's pretty good. If you rate success as turning around struggling businesses without screwing over the employees, creating more desirable high paying jobs, and possessing any semblance of ethics, he's not so hot.

Okay, that all sounds fair.

IMO, Meg Whitman overestimated her role in growing eBay (similar to the way many "day traders" overestimated their investing skills during the dot-com boom), but when things started to flatten out and she was dealing with actual problems at eBay, she decided to cash out. Nothing wrong with that, of course, but thinking she had the ability to run a state besieged by a massive drop in tax revenue, or even a large, legendary tech company that was being read its last rites, was where she fails. Perhaps Romney is the same?


It's generally agreed that Meg Whitman had no plans at all to govern California. She never produced them against Brown. Her attempt to win the CA governor election was simply a prep to the the White House. Think of Meg as an uglier Ted Cruz.
 
2014-06-25 08:54:43 PM  
B...b...but Detroit!
 
2014-06-25 08:55:27 PM  

Delay: Mitch Taylor's Bro: dr_blasto: I don't know about that. He's certainly good at running private equity and converting credit to profit. I have no idea what his business management skills are. I do know he got a less-than-positive review of his "leadership" of Massachusetts.

General business and private equity are like comparing general practitioners to the people who remove organs: one is a group dedicated to keeping people healthy and alive, the other just take shiat and leave behind a corpse

GW Bush was a businessman.

TuteTibiImperes: If you rate success by how much money his vampire capital fund can suck out of companies, I suppose he's pretty good. If you rate success as turning around struggling businesses without screwing over the employees, creating more desirable high paying jobs, and possessing any semblance of ethics, he's not so hot.

Okay, that all sounds fair.

IMO, Meg Whitman overestimated her role in growing eBay (similar to the way many "day traders" overestimated their investing skills during the dot-com boom), but when things started to flatten out and she was dealing with actual problems at eBay, she decided to cash out. Nothing wrong with that, of course, but thinking she had the ability to run a state besieged by a massive drop in tax revenue, or even a large, legendary tech company that was being read its last rites, was where she fails. Perhaps Romney is the same?

It's generally agreed that Meg Whitman had no plans at all to govern California. She never produced them against Brown. Her attempt to win the CA governor election was simply a prep to the the White House. Think of Meg as an uglier Ted Cruz.


Or, just think of her as Meg.
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2014-06-25 08:56:14 PM  

BKITU: This reminds me of the debate between Brown and Whitman during the 2010 campaign.

Whitman tried scoring "fiscal conservative" points by saying something like, "California used to be an economic powerhouse. Don't you want to return to the days of budget surpluses instead of year-over-year deficits?"

Brown replied, "You know who the governor was during those days? I WAS."

I need to find video of it to get the quotes just right. It's easily the sickest burn in a political debate since Lloyd Bentsen's "You're no Jack Kennedy" line. IIRC, Whitman was neck-and-neck in the polls until that line, then never recovered after it.


Wow, that really happened?!  YOWZA, that was a grade-A, third degree sick-ass burn.
 
2014-06-25 08:57:37 PM  

dookdookdook: B...b...but Detroit!


Detroit is actually interesting. The problems there are pretty unique, the efforts by the city to manage their world are a mixed bag, but the sack of shiat foisted on them by the state is definitely not going to help matters.
 
2014-06-25 08:59:20 PM  
Hey, speaking of ol' Meggers... how's HP doin' these days?

/yeah... thought so
 
2014-06-25 08:59:36 PM  

Rwa2play: BKITU: This reminds me of the debate between Brown and Whitman during the 2010 campaign.

Whitman tried scoring "fiscal conservative" points by saying something like, "California used to be an economic powerhouse. Don't you want to return to the days of budget surpluses instead of year-over-year deficits?"

Brown replied, "You know who the governor was during those days? I WAS."

I need to find video of it to get the quotes just right. It's easily the sickest burn in a political debate since Lloyd Bentsen's "You're no Jack Kennedy" line. IIRC, Whitman was neck-and-neck in the polls until that line, then never recovered after it.

Wow, that really happened?!  YOWZA, that was a grade-A, third degree sick-ass burn.


http://gawker.com/5673732/meg-whitman-loved-california-when-jerry-br ow n-was-governor
 
2014-06-25 09:00:36 PM  
 
2014-06-25 09:02:49 PM  
I've been informed by Really Smart Informed Conservatives that California is a financial disaster and is right on the very edge of collapsing, probably taking the entire country down with it.

I've been informed of that for the past 15 years now.

They are generally the same people who inform me that Iran is 15 minutes away from nuking New York.
 
2014-06-25 09:06:15 PM  

BKITU: This reminds me of the debate between Brown and Whitman during the 2010 campaign.

Whitman tried scoring "fiscal conservative" points by saying something like, "California used to be an economic powerhouse. Don't you want to return to the days of budget surpluses instead of year-over-year deficits?"

Brown replied, "You know who the governor was during those days? I WAS."

I need to find video of it to get the quotes just right. It's easily the sickest burn in a political debate since Lloyd Bentsen's "You're no Jack Kennedy" line. IIRC, Whitman was neck-and-neck in the polls until that line, then never recovered after it.


Rwa2play: BKITU: This reminds me of the debate between Brown and Whitman during the 2010 campaign.

Whitman tried scoring "fiscal conservative" points by saying something like, "California used to be an economic powerhouse. Don't you want to return to the days of budget surpluses instead of year-over-year deficits?"

Brown replied, "You know who the governor was during those days? I WAS."

I need to find video of it to get the quotes just right. It's easily the sickest burn in a political debate since Lloyd Bentsen's "You're no Jack Kennedy" line. IIRC, Whitman was neck-and-neck in the polls until that line, then never recovered after it.

Wow, that really happened?!  YOWZA, that was a grade-A, third degree sick-ass burn.


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/10/25/913594/-Meg-Whitman-Admits- Ca lifornians-Should-Vote-for-Jerry-Brown

Not QUITE that. But still. Pretty bad burn.
 
2014-06-25 09:07:29 PM  

BKITU: This reminds me of the debate between Brown and Whitman during the 2010 campaign.

Whitman tried scoring "fiscal conservative" points by saying something like, "California used to be an economic powerhouse. Don't you want to return to the days of budget surpluses instead of year-over-year deficits?"

Brown replied, "You know who the governor was during those days? I WAS."

I need to find video of it to get the quotes just right. It's easily the sickest burn in a political debate since Lloyd Bentsen's "You're no Jack Kennedy" line. IIRC, Whitman was neck-and-neck in the polls until that line, then never recovered after it.


This ad?
 
2014-06-25 09:08:14 PM  
BENGHAZI indeed.....
 
2014-06-25 09:08:34 PM  
Brown \ Warren 2016!
 
2014-06-25 09:09:24 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I'd be a lot happier if Jerry dropped the high-speed train to Bumf*ck and the Delta SoCal Drinking Straws

/that'd save even more


Not so much. It's a public works project with significant local multiplayer effects. And the BFE start-off makes sense, too, because real estate in the central valley is significantly cheaper and easier to start construction in than the coastal locations. Think about it; which is cheaper and easier to demolish existing buildings and build high-speed tracks in? Fresno county, or downtown San Jose? Which is easier to demolish existing infrastructure and build arterial light rail? Stockton, or San Francisco? Brown is approaching high-speed rail logically.
 
2014-06-25 09:09:34 PM  

Mithiwithi: Rwa2play: BKITU: This reminds me of the debate between Brown and Whitman during the 2010 campaign.

Whitman tried scoring "fiscal conservative" points by saying something like, "California used to be an economic powerhouse. Don't you want to return to the days of budget surpluses instead of year-over-year deficits?"

Brown replied, "You know who the governor was during those days? I WAS."

I need to find video of it to get the quotes just right. It's easily the sickest burn in a political debate since Lloyd Bentsen's "You're no Jack Kennedy" line. IIRC, Whitman was neck-and-neck in the polls until that line, then never recovered after it.

Wow, that really happened?!  YOWZA, that was a grade-A, third degree sick-ass burn.

http://gawker.com/5673732/meg-whitman-loved-california-when-jerry-br ow n-was-governor


*shakes tiny fist*
 
2014-06-25 09:11:42 PM  
"Bengazi!"   Does this mean Sheldon Cooper is now influential in US foreign policy as well as physics?
 
2014-06-25 09:12:45 PM  
When you marginalize conservatives, society can actually function.
 
2014-06-25 09:19:16 PM  
Gee, that means California is only three notches below Texas, instead of five.

...and they got that rating increase because California's been working at decreasing their public debt instead of just piling it on.

So California got their increase by... doing what conservatives have been calling for for years.

How about that.
 
2014-06-25 09:21:33 PM  

Heraclitus: Brown \ Warren 2016!


Sherrod Brown? Hell, yeah! Oh, Jerry? You know what? Jerry is fantastically intelligent and farsighted. And he has an inspiring depth and breath of institutional knowledge. Jerry Brown's dedication to civil service is beyond compare. However, I feel most people are in the mood for a liberal-populist ticket. Yes, Jerry Brown has more than earned a cabinet position. But the master and commander needs to steer the ship to the populist left.
 
2014-06-25 09:22:17 PM  

Notabunny: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I'd be a lot happier if Jerry dropped the high-speed train to Bumf*ck and the Delta SoCal Drinking Straws

/that'd save even more

Not so much. It's a public works project with significant local multiplayer effects. And the BFE start-off makes sense, too, because real estate in the central valley is significantly cheaper and easier to start construction in than the coastal locations. Think about it; which is cheaper and easier to demolish existing buildings and build high-speed tracks in? Fresno county, or downtown San Jose? Which is easier to demolish existing infrastructure and build arterial light rail? Stockton, or San Francisco? Brown is approaching high-speed rail logically.


I don't think that thing is logical at all. Besides the starting section running between two places no one really wants to go in a hurry, the route is going to bypass a number of population centers. I think it's going to cost at least 10x the projections, and if the farms keep sucking out the ground water and causing subsidence at the current rate, the damned thing will never be able to do even 55 MPH much less be "high-speed"

/and don't even get me started on the peripheral canal tunnels
 
2014-06-25 09:22:25 PM  

Kibbler: I've been informed by Really Smart Informed Conservatives that California is a financial disaster and is right on the very edge of collapsing, probably taking the entire country down with it.

I've been informed of that for the past 15 years now.

They are generally the same people who inform me that Iran is 15 minutes away from nuking New York.


I can never help but laugh at the San Fran hate.  The Bay Area and NYC are the twin engines of capitalism in this country, but because of a few burnouts in Berkeley, conservatives think it's a socialist hellhole.
 
2014-06-25 09:23:55 PM  
There was a pretty good article recently about California's economy far outpacing the recovery the rest of the country, in terms of the housing industry, budget surplus, employment, etc.

Sure sounds like Obama and those democrats in CA are destroying EVERYTHING!
 
2014-06-25 09:24:42 PM  

cirby: Gee, that means California is only three notches below Texas, instead of five.

...and they got that rating increase because California's been working at decreasing their public debt instead of just piling it on.

So California got their increase by... doing what conservatives have been calling for for years.

How about that.


..... by raising taxes.

How about that.
 
2014-06-25 09:26:41 PM  
cirby: So California got their increase by... doing what conservatives have been calling for for years.*

*....but they actually never do.  Like when they elected the last conservative republican, twice, who ballooned the debt.


/Let's stop pretending that what "conservatives" call for but never do is something they deserve credit for.  Liberal Democrats have actually proven they are the most fiscally "conservative".
 
2014-06-25 09:27:12 PM  

Notabunny: It's a public works project with significant local multiplayer effects.


Hah! Sometimes autocorrect errors still work.
 
2014-06-25 09:28:04 PM  

MrSteve007: There was a pretty good article recently about California's economy far outpacing the recovery the rest of the country, in terms of the housing industry, budget surplus, employment, etc.

Sure sounds like Obama and those democrats in CA are destroying EVERYTHING!


Well to be far that's because California crashed harder than anywhere else besides Florida.
 
2014-06-25 09:28:13 PM  

MrSteve007: There was a pretty good article recently about California's economy far outpacing the recovery the rest of the country, in terms of the housing industry, budget surplus, employment, etc.

Sure sounds like Obama and those democrats in CA are destroying EVERYTHING!


Naw... we're two notches below Texas, didn't you hear?

/I sincerely hope more people in California will heed that wisdom and strike out for the golden shores of Texas, post haste
 
2014-06-25 09:31:21 PM  

Lunchlady: cirby: Gee, that means California is only three notches below Texas, instead of five.

...and they got that rating increase because California's been working at decreasing their public debt instead of just piling it on.

So California got their increase by... doing what conservatives have been calling for for years.

How about that.

..... by raising taxes.

How about that.


And it took a Democrat to do something a Republican promised.  How about that?
 
2014-06-25 09:31:57 PM  
Wait a second....raising taxes worked?

But I was told that it would result in every job leaving the state!
 
2014-06-25 09:32:18 PM  

Delay: uglier Ted Cruz


divide by zero? I think not
 
2014-06-25 09:33:08 PM  

Aldon: cirby: So California got their increase by... doing what conservatives have been calling for for years.*

*....but they actually never do.  Like when they elected the last conservative republican, twice, who ballooned the debt.


/Let's stop pretending that what "conservatives" call for but never do is something they deserve credit for.  Liberal Democrats have actually proven they are the most fiscally "conservative".


I'll go with this:

HotWingConspiracy: When you marginalize conservatives, society can actually function.

 
2014-06-25 09:33:40 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Notabunny: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I'd be a lot happier if Jerry dropped the high-speed train to Bumf*ck and the Delta SoCal Drinking Straws

/that'd save even more

Not so much. It's a public works project with significant local multiplayer effects. And the BFE start-off makes sense, too, because real estate in the central valley is significantly cheaper and easier to start construction in than the coastal locations. Think about it; which is cheaper and easier to demolish existing buildings and build high-speed tracks in? Fresno county, or downtown San Jose? Which is easier to demolish existing infrastructure and build arterial light rail? Stockton, or San Francisco? Brown is approaching high-speed rail logically.

I don't think that thing is logical at all. Besides the starting section running between two places no one really wants to go in a hurry, the route is going to bypass a number of population centers. I think it's going to cost at least 10x the projections, and if the farms keep sucking out the ground water and causing subsidence at the current rate, the damned thing will never be able to do even 55 MPH much less be "high-speed"

/and don't even get me started on the peripheral canal tunnels


You're right. "High speed" is a bunch of bunk. We agree on the peripheral canal, too. And also using fresh water to water parks and green bands and cemeteries. Gawd, how I wish I had the ban hammer for that offense. And we agree the farms use a metric assload of water. But where I think we part is that I support the farmers and Delta wetlands.
 
2014-06-25 09:35:55 PM  

Barricaded Gunman: Notabunny: It's a public works project with significant local multiplayer effects.

Hah! Sometimes autocorrect errors still work.


Ghaaa! Actually, I kinda giggle when my kids laugh at me 8)
 
2014-06-25 09:38:59 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: When you marginalize conservatives, society can actually function.


That is a very illiberal viewpoint. Conservatives deserve the same amount of representation that we do
 
2014-06-25 09:41:31 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I think it's going to cost at least 10x the projections


If you're going to make a statement like that and want to be taken seriously, you're going to have to show your work. The Big Dig was one of the worst overruns in recent history and was only 2.9x over the original budget in constant dollars. 10x over for a project that has barely started is quite a leap of faith for someone with nothing concrete to show.
 
2014-06-25 09:43:42 PM  

Notabunny: You're right. "High speed" is a bunch of bunk. We agree on the peripheral canal, too. And also using fresh water to water parks and green bands and cemeteries. Gawd, how I wish I had the ban hammer for that offense. And we agree the farms use a metric assload of water. But where I think we part is that I support the farmers and Delta wetlands.


Naw... we don't really part at all, but this drought is just the beginning

/we need more water storage and recycling
//we have too many people and farms to keep depending on runoff
 
2014-06-25 09:44:21 PM  

EngineerAU: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I think it's going to cost at least 10x the projections

If you're going to make a statement like that and want to be taken seriously, you're going to have to show your work. The Big Dig was one of the worst overruns in recent history and was only 2.9x over the original budget in constant dollars. 10x over for a project that has barely started is quite a leap of faith for someone with nothing concrete to show.


Well, excuse my rant, Sir
 
2014-06-25 09:47:58 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: When you marginalize conservatives, society can actually function.


They're not conservatives.  No matter how much they say it, nor how loud, it just isn't so.
Kinda' like a lot of the crap they say - but what do you expect from a group that thinks 'reality based' policy is a bad thing?
 
2014-06-25 09:48:12 PM  

cirby: Gee, that means California is only three notches below Texas, instead of five.


...and they got that rating increase because California's been working at decreasing their public debt instead of just piling it on.

So California got their increase by... doing what conservatives have been calling for for years.

How about that.


Actually they raised taxes...and unlike Texas, they boosted their rating without relying on revenue from being the country's biggest oil producer or gutting the social safety net, ie filling public coffers by taking money from the poorest citizens. Face it, CA is trending upwards because we all but eliminated republican influence.
 
2014-06-25 09:49:17 PM  

Taxbongo: HotWingConspiracy: When you marginalize conservatives, society can actually function.

That is a very illiberal viewpoint. Conservatives deserve the same amount of representation that we do


Nobody deserves parity in representation. If your ideas suck and your only remaining function is to ruin progress to the point that society has shaken you off like a dog does fleas, you're right where you belong.
 
2014-06-25 09:50:33 PM  

cirby: So California got their increase by... doing what conservatives have been calling for for years.


So why didn't Arnie do it? Too busy farking the maid?
 
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