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(Hardball Talk)   Jose Bautista: Hey, Jose Abreu you've got 22 home runs. How about taking part in the MLB Home Run Derby? Jose Abreu: Uh, thanks, but no thanks   (hardballtalk.nbcsports.com ) divider line
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2014-06-25 05:03:09 PM  
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2014-06-25 05:25:36 PM  
I hate that damned contest. I watch baseball every single night of the regular season that its on except one - that one. They break Chris Berman out of the mothballs and his baseball knowledge is squarely stuck in neutral in the 1990's and he blathers on and on for four insufferable hours of guys taking pitches and occasionally hitting something.
 
2014-06-25 05:31:49 PM  

Nabb1: They break Chris Berman out of the mothballs and his baseball knowledge is squarely stuck in neutral in the 1990's and he blathers on and on for four insufferable hours



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2014-06-25 06:23:19 PM  
"The first thing it does is affect you mentally," he continued. "You go out and try to hit home runs. I'm not a guy who tries to hit homers. I let them come when they come .. sometimes it messes with your mechanics."

Man - it's nice to see a guy who actually wants to play well and not fark around with the extraneous bullshiat of fame.
 
2014-06-25 06:30:05 PM  
Tim Lincecum just threw a no hitter against the padres. Same team he did it to last year. I'm sure TF has like 8 topics to that effect but still.
 
2014-06-25 06:37:26 PM  

SenorBenedict: Tim Lincecum just threw a no hitter against the padres. Same team he did it to last year. I'm sure TF has like 8 topics to that effect but still.


Most likely all using the Spiffy tag and making a pot joke, but still.

/submitted one
//I'm not proud
 
2014-06-25 06:39:29 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: "The first thing it does is affect you mentally," he continued. "You go out and try to hit home runs. I'm not a guy who tries to hit homers. I let them come when they come .. sometimes it messes with your mechanics."

Man - it's nice to see a guy who actually wants to play well and not fark around with the extraneous bullshiat of fame.


I'm not an expert (as I have all of like 4 little league hits to my credit)... but I never understood the mechanics thing.  Isn't it just like batting practice?  I've seen plenty of MLB batting practice sessions before games, and there are *a lot* of home runs.  That's why all the kids who brought mitts are hanging out in the outfield seats.
 
2014-06-25 06:42:22 PM  

downstairs: I'm not an expert (as I have all of like 4 little league hits to my credit)... but I never understood the mechanics thing.  Isn't it just like batting practice?  I've seen plenty of MLB batting practice sessions before games, and there are *a lot* of home runs.


Baseball players are like football players except probably dumber (though smart enough to have a ridiculously powerful union), so yeah, picking one day in a three-day layoff TOTALLY throws off their swing and they forget how to hit for months.

/at least that's what many of them believe
 
2014-06-25 06:43:07 PM  

downstairs: Benevolent Misanthrope: "The first thing it does is affect you mentally," he continued. "You go out and try to hit home runs. I'm not a guy who tries to hit homers. I let them come when they come .. sometimes it messes with your mechanics."

Man - it's nice to see a guy who actually wants to play well and not fark around with the extraneous bullshiat of fame.

I'm not an expert (as I have all of like 4 little league hits to my credit)... but I never understood the mechanics thing.  Isn't it just like batting practice?  I've seen plenty of MLB batting practice sessions before games, and there are *a lot* of home runs.  That's why all the kids who brought mitts are hanging out in the outfield seats.


The swing is different at that level for a home run.  Slightly.  And it also could conceivably affect your pitch judgment in a real game following, I guess.  And they hit lots of base hits at batting practice, too.
 
2014-06-25 06:47:25 PM  
Never seemed to mess with Griffey when he did the home run Derby, then again most of the time its not like the mariners had to worry about that anyway.
 
2014-06-25 06:58:07 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: downstairs: Benevolent Misanthrope: "The first thing it does is affect you mentally," he continued. "You go out and try to hit home runs. I'm not a guy who tries to hit homers. I let them come when they come .. sometimes it messes with your mechanics."

Man - it's nice to see a guy who actually wants to play well and not fark around with the extraneous bullshiat of fame.

I'm not an expert (as I have all of like 4 little league hits to my credit)... but I never understood the mechanics thing.  Isn't it just like batting practice?  I've seen plenty of MLB batting practice sessions before games, and there are *a lot* of home runs.  That's why all the kids who brought mitts are hanging out in the outfield seats.

The swing is different at that level for a home run.  Slightly.  And it also could conceivably affect your pitch judgment in a real game following, I guess.  And they hit lots of base hits at batting practice, too.


No, I get that.  Its just that these guys have thousands of plate appearances in real games, which accounts for many thousands of pitches.  And then batting practice every gameday.  I just have a hard time believing that shooting for the fences what- 20 times?- on one day for the HR Derby actually screws up mechanics they've built up since little league.

And I have a hard time believing that during some batting practices they aren't shooting for the fences on every pitch to impress teammates and the fans that came in early, because they're bored and they do this 162 times a year.
 
2014-06-25 07:10:15 PM  
downstairs - They're not swinging for the fences during batting practice as much. Sure, they do sometimes during the day, but they're generally going through all they're swings. During the Derby it's nothing but home run swings with little room for misses.
 
2014-06-25 07:11:27 PM  
Not a W.Sox fan but
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he's under zero obligation to participate and risk injury.

/a few HR derby winners have gone on to do jack squat afterwards
//not to mention the derby is hot garbage regardless
 
2014-06-25 07:11:52 PM  
I always took it that people who don't want to do the derby are just afraid of looking bad, which is silly especially for anyone who plays for the Padres, Rays, or Astros. I mean shiat the white sox are 6 games under .500 its not like Abreu has to worry about missing the play offs with some injury.
 
2014-06-25 07:13:07 PM  

SenorBenedict: Tim Lincecum just threw a no hitter against the padres. Same team he did it to last year. I'm sure TF has like 8 topics to that effect but still.


The question remains: Is it really a no hitter when it comes against the Padres?
 
2014-06-25 07:18:24 PM  

germ78: SenorBenedict: Tim Lincecum just threw a no hitter against the padres. Same team he did it to last year. I'm sure TF has like 8 topics to that effect but still.

The question remains: Is it really a no hitter when it comes against the Padres?


I'd feel bad for the padres, but seeing the weather they get all year, fark San Diego!
 
2014-06-25 07:19:19 PM  
The Home Run Derby is to Baseball what the Pro Bowl is to football.

A waste of time with the possibility of getting in injured.
 
2014-06-25 07:22:42 PM  
Nah the all star game has more chance of injury. Home Run Derby is just more spirited batting practice.

They should just do it like football does and have it after the season is over, but no one cares about baseball in the fall because football is on!
 
2014-06-25 07:56:36 PM  
I'm assuming edi can't go, which sucks...oh I just read this thread and I forgot fark hates anything that's about having fun. Good for you.
 
2014-06-25 07:58:18 PM  
I crunched some numbers on batters who participated in the Home Run Derby over the past few years to see whether their AB/HR was affected, comparing their AB/HR that season to their career pre- and post-All Star break numbers.  With a few exceptions, a majority of players saw their home run numbers drop in the second half of the season after participating in the HRD.
 
2014-06-25 08:11:57 PM  

The Onion is prophetic: I crunched some numbers on batters who participated in the Home Run Derby over the past few years to see whether their AB/HR was affected, comparing their AB/HR that season to their career pre- and post-All Star break numbers.  With a few exceptions, a majority of players saw their home run numbers drop in the second half of the season after participating in the HRD.


Weird. It's almost like those players might of had a hot first half to get there in the first place
 
2014-06-25 08:13:58 PM  

The Onion is prophetic: I crunched some numbers on batters who participated in the Home Run Derby over the past few years to see whether their AB/HR was affected, comparing their AB/HR that season to their career pre- and post-All Star break numbers.  With a few exceptions, a majority of players saw their home run numbers drop in the second half of the season after participating in the HRD.


Now compare the second half of the HRD year to the second half of the previous year.
 
2014-06-25 08:24:27 PM  
I think it was Lance Berkman who, when asked if the derby would impact his swing, said something to the effect of "if a Home Run Derby throws off my swing, I don't deserve to be in the majors."
 
2014-06-25 08:26:54 PM  

The Onion is prophetic: I crunched some numbers on batters who participated in the Home Run Derby over the past few years to see whether their AB/HR was affected, comparing their AB/HR that season to their career pre- and post-All Star break numbers.  With a few exceptions, a majority of players saw their home run numbers drop in the second half of the season after participating in the HRD.


After  2005, the Home Run Derby 2nd half falloff could be called the Abreu curse.
I can see why he doesn't want any part of it.
 
2014-06-25 08:26:55 PM  

DeWayne Mann: The Onion is prophetic: I crunched some numbers on batters who participated in the Home Run Derby over the past few years to see whether their AB/HR was affected, comparing their AB/HR that season to their career pre- and post-All Star break numbers.  With a few exceptions, a majority of players saw their home run numbers drop in the second half of the season after participating in the HRD.

Now compare the second half of the HRD year to the second half of the previous year.


I compared them to their career second half; seemed to be a better sample size.  Majority of players still went down in their HR rate.
 
2014-06-25 08:43:02 PM  

downstairs: Benevolent Misanthrope: downstairs: Benevolent Misanthrope: "The first thing it does is affect you mentally," he continued. "You go out and try to hit home runs. I'm not a guy who tries to hit homers. I let them come when they come .. sometimes it messes with your mechanics."

Man - it's nice to see a guy who actually wants to play well and not fark around with the extraneous bullshiat of fame.

I'm not an expert (as I have all of like 4 little league hits to my credit)... but I never understood the mechanics thing.  Isn't it just like batting practice?  I've seen plenty of MLB batting practice sessions before games, and there are *a lot* of home runs.  That's why all the kids who brought mitts are hanging out in the outfield seats.

The swing is different at that level for a home run.  Slightly.  And it also could conceivably affect your pitch judgment in a real game following, I guess.  And they hit lots of base hits at batting practice, too.

No, I get that.  Its just that these guys have thousands of plate appearances in real games, which accounts for many thousands of pitches.  And then batting practice every gameday.  I just have a hard time believing that shooting for the fences what- 20 times?- on one day for the HR Derby actually screws up mechanics they've built up since little league.

And I have a hard time believing that during some batting practices they aren't shooting for the fences on every pitch to impress teammates and the fans that came in early, because they're bored and they do this 162 times a year.


Top level athletes are notoriously paranoid and superstitious.
 
2014-06-25 08:52:11 PM  

The Onion is prophetic: DeWayne Mann: The Onion is prophetic: I crunched some numbers on batters who participated in the Home Run Derby over the past few years to see whether their AB/HR was affected, comparing their AB/HR that season to their career pre- and post-All Star break numbers.  With a few exceptions, a majority of players saw their home run numbers drop in the second half of the season after participating in the HRD.

Now compare the second half of the HRD year to the second half of the previous year.

I compared them to their career second half; seemed to be a better sample size.  Majority of players still went down in their HR rate.


Well, that's sort of the opposite of what Derek Carty found here.

He also tried a different method a year later
 
2014-06-25 08:58:18 PM  
As a White Sox fan ... Good!

Also, If the kid is like this his entire career we are going to have lots of fun as soon as we get a bullpen.
 
2014-06-25 08:58:19 PM  

downstairs: Benevolent Misanthrope: downstairs: Benevolent Misanthrope: "The first thing it does is affect you mentally," he continued. "You go out and try to hit home runs. I'm not a guy who tries to hit homers. I let them come when they come .. sometimes it messes with your mechanics."

Man - it's nice to see a guy who actually wants to play well and not fark around with the extraneous bullshiat of fame.

I'm not an expert (as I have all of like 4 little league hits to my credit)... but I never understood the mechanics thing.  Isn't it just like batting practice?  I've seen plenty of MLB batting practice sessions before games, and there are *a lot* of home runs.  That's why all the kids who brought mitts are hanging out in the outfield seats.

The swing is different at that level for a home run.  Slightly.  And it also could conceivably affect your pitch judgment in a real game following, I guess.  And they hit lots of base hits at batting practice, too.

No, I get that.  Its just that these guys have thousands of plate appearances in real games, which accounts for many thousands of pitches.  And then batting practice every gameday.  I just have a hard time believing that shooting for the fences what- 20 times?- on one day for the HR Derby actually screws up mechanics they've built up since little league.

And I have a hard time believing that during some batting practices they aren't shooting for the fences on every pitch to impress teammates and the fans that came in early, because they're bored and they do this 162 times a year.


Yeah, maybe you're right.  In the absence of further evidence, I'll err on the side of caution and go with the guy who does it for a living.  Even if that means I'm possibly accepting an excuse for just not wanting to do it.
 
2014-06-25 09:12:18 PM  

thecpt: Weird. It's almost like those players might of had a hot first half to get there in the first place


This seems like the best bet to me.
 
2014-06-26 12:24:04 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: downstairs: Benevolent Misanthrope: downstairs: Benevolent Misanthrope: "The first thing it does is affect you mentally," he continued. "You go out and try to hit home runs. I'm not a guy who tries to hit homers. I let them come when they come .. sometimes it messes with your mechanics."

Man - it's nice to see a guy who actually wants to play well and not fark around with the extraneous bullshiat of fame.

I'm not an expert (as I have all of like 4 little league hits to my credit)... but I never understood the mechanics thing.  Isn't it just like batting practice?  I've seen plenty of MLB batting practice sessions before games, and there are *a lot* of home runs.  That's why all the kids who brought mitts are hanging out in the outfield seats.

The swing is different at that level for a home run.  Slightly.  And it also could conceivably affect your pitch judgment in a real game following, I guess.  And they hit lots of base hits at batting practice, too.

No, I get that.  Its just that these guys have thousands of plate appearances in real games, which accounts for many thousands of pitches.  And then batting practice every gameday.  I just have a hard time believing that shooting for the fences what- 20 times?- on one day for the HR Derby actually screws up mechanics they've built up since little league.

And I have a hard time believing that during some batting practices they aren't shooting for the fences on every pitch to impress teammates and the fans that came in early, because they're bored and they do this 162 times a year.

Yeah, maybe you're right.  In the absence of further evidence, I'll err on the side of caution and go with the guy who does it for a living.  Even if that means I'm possibly accepting an excuse for just not wanting to do it.


I heard Chris Davis on MLB Network radio today, and his take was actually pretty refreshing and insightful. He said that there was no way he was missing the derby last year because it was something he always wanted to do, but that he also could understand why someone would turn it down.

He said the toughest part is the downtime between ABs because you get cold and getting warm to take a bunch of hacks is a little tough.
 
2014-06-26 07:42:52 AM  
The HR Derby could be palatable if it lasted like 30 minutes, but instead, each hitter is up there for 5, 10 minutes, then then go into a 2nd round, and sometimes a 3rd.

It's farking BORING!
 
2014-06-26 08:19:05 AM  
I still want to see the hitters in the derby using composite bats for the sheer insanity of it.

Of course, ticket sales would be cut by at least a third because no one could be allowed to sit in the bleachers due to the risk of death. And no kids in the outfield shagging balls, etc.

Still, the thought of 600-700 ft home runs is pretty cool.
 
2014-06-26 09:11:53 AM  

MugzyBrown: The HR Derby could be palatable if it lasted like 30 minutes, but instead, each hitter is up there for 5, 10 minutes, then then go into a 2nd round, and sometimes a 3rd.

It's farking BORING!


They actually have a slightly different format this year. It will still end up taking about the same amount of time, but should reduce how long any hitter is there - and generate a little more variety and interest.

Essentially, it's now a bracket format, with AL on one side and NL on the other. Outs have been reduced to 7 (from 10), but an extra hitter on both sides has been added (5 from each). First round is top-3 hitters advance, 2nd round is 2-vs-3 (with #1 seed having a bye), and 3rd round is 1-vs-winner. 4th round is then the AL-vs-NL finalists. Oh, and no more of the "HR totals carry over between rounds" thing.
 
2014-06-26 10:08:33 AM  

p the boiler: As a White Sox fan ... Good!

Also, If the kid is like this his entire career we are going to have lots of fun as soon as we get a bullpen.


I know right? I haven't been this excited about a WS player's first year since Gordan Beckh...

Oh the Sox are screwed aren't they?
But I do like his attitude about it, basically: "Does it help me win? No? Then I don't care"
 
2014-06-26 10:32:07 AM  

Joe_diGriz: Essentially, it's now a bracket format, with AL on one side and NL on the other. Outs have been reduced to 7 (from 10), but an extra hitter on both sides has been added (5 from each). First round is top-3 hitters advance, 2nd round is 2-vs-3 (with #1 seed having a bye), and 3rd round is 1-vs-winner. 4th round is then the AL-vs-NL finalists. Oh, and no more of the "HR totals carry over between rounds" thing


How about you give each guy 10 swings or 20 pitches.  Most HRs win
 
2014-06-26 11:21:42 AM  
He hasn't seemed like a guy who likes the spotlight much so far either. He's going to be in it plenty if he keeps jacking homers at the rate he has so far though.
 
2014-06-26 11:51:25 AM  
Probably afraid there'll be extra drug testing involved.
 
2014-06-26 02:15:43 PM  

SharkaPult: p the boiler: As a White Sox fan ... Good!

Also, If the kid is like this his entire career we are going to have lots of fun as soon as we get a bullpen.

I know right? I haven't been this excited about a WS player's first year since Gordan Beckh...

Oh the Sox are screwed aren't they?
But I do like his attitude about it, basically: "Does it help me win? No? Then I don't care"


Don't hate on GB (my sons middle name is Beckham based on that rookie season) - he looks like a player again this year
 
2014-06-26 04:22:58 PM  

p the boiler: SharkaPult: p the boiler: As a White Sox fan ... Good!

Also, If the kid is like this his entire career we are going to have lots of fun as soon as we get a bullpen.

I know right? I haven't been this excited about a WS player's first year since Gordan Beckh...

Oh the Sox are screwed aren't they?
But I do like his attitude about it, basically: "Does it help me win? No? Then I don't care"

Don't hate on GB (my sons middle name is Beckham based on that rookie season) - he looks like a player again this year


I like the guy as a player, don't get me wrong. I was a part of the "GB is going to the HoF" over-filled fan-club bandwagon that first year. I feel he's a passable major-league player that still has developement potential. I've just had to come to terms he's not as good as I thought (and a lot of other people thought) he was going to be. And having to do that makes me a bitter WS fan.
 
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