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(Huffington Post)   GOP lawmaker is pretty sure that 'sexual orientation' includes incest, bestiality and pedophelia   (huffingtonpost.com ) divider line
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2014-06-25 04:28:06 PM  
6 votes:

moothemagiccow: One thing I don't get about "you think a man can marry a snake" - do people seriously not understand sexual consent?


Their theories on rape make it pretty clear that they do not.
2014-06-25 05:43:28 PM  
2 votes:
graphics8.nytimes.com

"What is it with you people and the animal-farking?!"
2014-06-25 04:25:13 PM  
2 votes:
another republican that does not understand consent.

shocked
2014-06-25 04:23:52 PM  
2 votes:
I don't think he's technically wrong that some of those are orientations, although I'm not sure whether some of them are fetishes versus orientations. The reason homosexuality is different from the others is due to consent, so pedophiles and beastiality fans aren't protected, but maybe adult brotherfarkers are.
2014-06-25 04:21:15 PM  
2 votes:
Of course, grownups can't do anything actually worthwhile because the children are too busy flinging poo at each other over psychological definitions of words.
2014-06-25 04:06:14 PM  
2 votes:
Of COURSE it does....

Just look in his closet for his porn stash.
2014-06-26 12:26:37 AM  
1 vote:

Talondel: quatchi: Control F "consent"

*many many hits*

Nice to see that the thread is smarter than this GOP lawmaker.

Talondel: Bestiality should be legal, provided you own the animal.

For the most part.

Awwww. Common. It's perfectly legal to kill them and eat them, but having sex with them is a bridge too far?  For what it's worth, bestiality is still legal in at least 12 states. And ownership of animal pornography is apparently legal in all 50 states.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoophilia_and_the_law_in_the_United_Sta te s


For the most part, bestiality is illegal because it's so icky; but also just because animals can't consent to sex. Just like necrophilia: If you can get consent from beyond the grave, it wouldn't technically be illegal to rape a corpse, but still.

For myself, the only reason I'd prefer not to allow bestiality and necrophilia to be legal is because of the ramifications of implied consent: "Look, the rhino didn't kill me, so I assumed it was okay!" "The dead body wasn't fighting back, so it must have been all right!" At what point, then, is an unconscious body presumed not to be consenting, but a dead body IS presumed to be consenting? Therefore, we just disallow sex with anyone or anything that can't actually give consent, and we don't have to ask these questions.
2014-06-25 07:58:42 PM  
1 vote:
While consensual incest does make me a bit queezy, just because its gross isnt a valid reason to outlaw it.

For the sake of argument lets say pedophilia and bestiality are sexual orientations. The big thing there is that those have one is a victim. They are not consensual. Now, I dont know about you, but having someone force themselves upon another makes me even more sick than thinking about a brother and a sister farking.
2014-06-25 07:03:21 PM  
1 vote:

For shame! Neither TFA nor the FARK comments here mentions the word "paraphilia"? Paraphilias are sexual disorders involving sexual attractions to things (living or otherwise) which are inherently non-sexual. Unlike orientations which are congenital (not the same thing as "genetic"), paraphilias derive from childhood experiences.

Sexual Orientations:

• Heterosexuality
• Bisexuality¹
• Homosexuality
• Asexuality
_________________
¹ Since sexual orientation is actually more of a continuum than discrete divisions, such that a person might be, say, 90% heterosexual and 10% homosexual, "bisexual" might be a misnomer, but might be useful as a region indicator, sort of like "centrist" on the Left/Right political scale.


Paraphilias:
• Fetishes²
• Exhibitionism
• Voyeurism
• Frotteurism
• Sadism
• Masochism²
• Pædophilia²
_________________
² Pædophilia can be considered basically a "child fetish." Masochism can be considered a "pain fetish."
2014-06-25 07:00:34 PM  
1 vote:
NC resident here...
Sorry everyone.
No, really.

It looks like the state Eugenics Board missed his family.
2014-06-25 06:51:04 PM  
1 vote:

colon_pow: if you're attracted to an 18 yo boy, then you're homosexual.
if you're attracted to a 17.5 yo boy,
fta;

"It is a disease and a problem that has to be addressed outside of this body."


No.

"Pedophilia or paedophilia is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children, generally age 11 years or younger. As a medical diagnosis, specific criteria for the disorder extends the cut-off point for prepubescence to age 13"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia

No one thinks people who are attracted to 17 year olds are pedophiles.  At least, not anyone who uses the DSM definitions.  In most of the world and in most of the US the age of consent is 16.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent

So while some people may consider attraction to 17.5 year olds immoral or illegal, that's not the prevailing view and certainly not the DSM view.
2014-06-25 05:50:00 PM  
1 vote:
F*cking consent, how does it work?
2014-06-25 05:12:50 PM  
1 vote:
I'd like to classify a new mental disorder, let's call it "Derpmentia."  Symptoms include but not limited to:

1. Xenophobia
2. Homophobia
3. Irrational paranoia about the government
4. Lack of empathy (especially in cases of economic hardship or rape)
5. The inability to keep your mouth shut while experiencing bouts of symptoms 1-4
2014-06-25 04:52:34 PM  
1 vote:
God, why won't you liberals just accept that just because something is harmless it shares topical similarities to things that are harmful?


Why are you not as stupid as us?  STOP BEING SO UNSTUPID!
2014-06-25 04:46:56 PM  
1 vote:
Yep.  That's right GOP, the people that believe in equal marriage rights and social protections for homosexuals all also believe in bestiality and incest.

Nice to see that tent getting bigger and bigger.

Farking morons.
2014-06-25 04:33:15 PM  
1 vote:
I'm actually kinda surprised the GOP aren't more in favor of bestiality.  The reasons it's illegal are based on animal cruelty and consent and what does the GOP hate more than PETA and people who whine about rape being a huge problem?

/besides Muslims
//and Hispanics
///and blacks
////and women
//and ... okay, maybe bad wording there, but you get my point
2014-06-25 04:30:10 PM  
1 vote:
According to the American Psychology Association:
"Sexual orientation refers to the sex of those to whom one is sexually and romantically attracted. Categories of sexual orientation typically have included attraction to members of one's own sex (gay men or lesbians), attraction to members of the other sex (heterosexuals), and attraction to members of both sexes (bisexuals)."

Meaning it is the orientation to which GENDER (remembering that 'sex' is a synonym for 'gender') that a person is oriented toward. Unfortunately, "Sexual" is an ambiguous terms with multiple meanings and connotations.

I hate to agree with the guy, but maybe we could avoid a lot of the terminology confusion by using clearer terms: Call it Gender Orientation.
2014-06-25 04:27:40 PM  
1 vote:

Jaden Smith First of His Name: I don't think he's technically wrong that some of those are orientations, although I'm not sure whether some of them are fetishes versus orientations. The reason homosexuality is different from the others is due to consent, so pedophiles and beastiality fans aren't protected, but maybe adult brotherfarkers are.


By that reasoning, having a preference for redheads, for example, would be considered a sexual orientation. I would argue that "proclivity" might be a better word than "orientation" for describing incest, pedophilia, and/or bestiality - as well as the other, perfectly legal (when between two consenting adults) sexual behaviors that he decided to call orientations such as sadism and masochism.
2014-06-25 04:26:16 PM  
1 vote:
Even if they are sexual orientations, in the case of somebody with bestiality and pedophilia, the entity they'd like to have sex with can't consent to that sexual contact. And as for incest, any people closer than first cousins trying to have sex with each other will almost always involve coercion which would deny the ability to consent to that sexual contact.
2014-06-25 04:23:31 PM  
1 vote:

Headso: so that guy likes farking his kids and his dogs?


well, he is a mainstream conservative Christian Republican...
2014-06-25 04:21:28 PM  
1 vote:
so that guy likes farking his kids and his dogs?
2014-06-25 04:18:19 PM  
1 vote:
Given the history of the GOP legislating against things they like doing in bed...

Oh dear God.  I think I shook hands with one of them*.  I feel so dirty.

*Republicans.
2014-06-25 04:09:57 PM  
1 vote:
I'm pretty sure that guy's retarded.
 
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