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2014-06-25 04:06:14 PM
Of COURSE it does....

Just look in his closet for his porn stash.
 
2014-06-25 04:09:57 PM
I'm pretty sure that guy's retarded.
 
2014-06-25 04:18:02 PM
I just thought it meant you were either a top or a bottom......

i was going to use pitcher and catcher, but didn't fit the theme
 
2014-06-25 04:18:19 PM
Given the history of the GOP legislating against things they like doing in bed...

Oh dear God.  I think I shook hands with one of them*.  I feel so dirty.

*Republicans.
 
2014-06-25 04:19:08 PM
adam and eve, not adam and bowflex
 
2014-06-25 04:20:43 PM
Cowgirl vs. Reverse Cowgirl?
 
2014-06-25 04:21:15 PM
Of course, grownups can't do anything actually worthwhile because the children are too busy flinging poo at each other over psychological definitions of words.
 
2014-06-25 04:21:28 PM
so that guy likes farking his kids and his dogs?
 
2014-06-25 04:22:38 PM
This is 2014, right?
 
2014-06-25 04:22:47 PM
Can we really know definitions? I say pass no laws. You can't know what you're really thinking by passing them.

/moron
 
2014-06-25 04:23:10 PM
They just want to shrink government down to the size where they can drown it in a bathtub. Or fit it in a homosexual's bedroom.
 
2014-06-25 04:23:11 PM
Here's a pic of ol' Paul "Skip" Stam looking all proud after passing out his "literature"
decidingforlife.com
 
2014-06-25 04:23:31 PM

Headso: so that guy likes farking his kids and his dogs?


well, he is a mainstream conservative Christian Republican...
 
2014-06-25 04:23:52 PM
I don't think he's technically wrong that some of those are orientations, although I'm not sure whether some of them are fetishes versus orientations. The reason homosexuality is different from the others is due to consent, so pedophiles and beastiality fans aren't protected, but maybe adult brotherfarkers are.
 
2014-06-25 04:24:18 PM
Why are these people so goddamn scared of sex?  So scared of it, that the very thought of protecting everyone's right to sexual gender orientation immediately has them thinking about sex with goats and children?

Or did I just answer my own question...
 
2014-06-25 04:25:05 PM
 
2014-06-25 04:25:13 PM
another republican that does not understand consent.

shocked
 
2014-06-25 04:26:16 PM
Even if they are sexual orientations, in the case of somebody with bestiality and pedophilia, the entity they'd like to have sex with can't consent to that sexual contact. And as for incest, any people closer than first cousins trying to have sex with each other will almost always involve coercion which would deny the ability to consent to that sexual contact.
 
2014-06-25 04:26:26 PM
One thing I don't get about "you think a man can marry a snake" - do people seriously not understand sexual consent?
 
2014-06-25 04:27:40 PM

Jaden Smith First of His Name: I don't think he's technically wrong that some of those are orientations, although I'm not sure whether some of them are fetishes versus orientations. The reason homosexuality is different from the others is due to consent, so pedophiles and beastiality fans aren't protected, but maybe adult brotherfarkers are.


By that reasoning, having a preference for redheads, for example, would be considered a sexual orientation. I would argue that "proclivity" might be a better word than "orientation" for describing incest, pedophilia, and/or bestiality - as well as the other, perfectly legal (when between two consenting adults) sexual behaviors that he decided to call orientations such as sadism and masochism.
 
2014-06-25 04:28:06 PM

moothemagiccow: One thing I don't get about "you think a man can marry a snake" - do people seriously not understand sexual consent?


Their theories on rape make it pretty clear that they do not.
 
2014-06-25 04:28:18 PM

Jaden Smith First of His Name: I don't think he's technically wrong that some of those are orientations,


Even if one were to accept that, it would take the effort of adding one single word to the phrasing in the bill to ensure that the type of orientation it was speaking of was clear: gender.  Children, dogs, and fetishes are not genders.  Sexual gender orientation is very specific.
 
2014-06-25 04:29:38 PM
Sorry to have to tell you baby, but they just won't let us be.

i59.tinypic.com
 
2014-06-25 04:30:10 PM
According to the American Psychology Association:
"Sexual orientation refers to the sex of those to whom one is sexually and romantically attracted. Categories of sexual orientation typically have included attraction to members of one's own sex (gay men or lesbians), attraction to members of the other sex (heterosexuals), and attraction to members of both sexes (bisexuals)."

Meaning it is the orientation to which GENDER (remembering that 'sex' is a synonym for 'gender') that a person is oriented toward. Unfortunately, "Sexual" is an ambiguous terms with multiple meanings and connotations.

I hate to agree with the guy, but maybe we could avoid a lot of the terminology confusion by using clearer terms: Call it Gender Orientation.
 
2014-06-25 04:30:20 PM

ReverendJasen: Why are these people so goddamn scared of sex?


38.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-06-25 04:31:31 PM

TrollingForColumbine: another republican that does not understand consent.

shocked


Does that mean that those could be sexual orientations, it's just that they're all rapey?
 
2014-06-25 04:32:04 PM

moothemagiccow: One thing I don't get about "you think a man can marry a snake" - do people seriously not understand sexual consent?


This is the party that can't go 48 hours without someone mouthing off about rape. What do you think?
 
2014-06-25 04:32:28 PM
How in the Wide Wide World Of Sports does this moron figure that someone's sexual orientation became "incest"...?

"Well, I was attracted to the smell of fresh paint and the feel of apple pies before. Kept it well hid, even got married. Then my wife and I had kids, and I guess I just switched teams if you know what I mean..."

No. We really don't know what this guy means.
 
2014-06-25 04:32:53 PM
Not the slightest bit surprised by this. Many of us have been advised that being gay is either equal to or one step from being a paedophile, an animal farker, a child predator and any number of awful things.
 
2014-06-25 04:33:10 PM

MrBallou: Sorry to have to tell you baby, but they just won't let us be.

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Mitch is already married, you home-wrecker!
 
2014-06-25 04:33:15 PM
I'm actually kinda surprised the GOP aren't more in favor of bestiality.  The reasons it's illegal are based on animal cruelty and consent and what does the GOP hate more than PETA and people who whine about rape being a huge problem?

/besides Muslims
//and Hispanics
///and blacks
////and women
//and ... okay, maybe bad wording there, but you get my point
 
2014-06-25 04:33:26 PM

Jaden Smith First of His Name: I don't think he's technically wrong that some of those are orientations, although I'm not sure whether some of them are fetishes versus orientations. The reason homosexuality is different from the others is due to consent, so pedophiles and beastiality fans aren't protected, but maybe adult brotherfarkers are.


From my understanding, "orientations" are towards classes of people relative to the individual.  So, if I'm heterosexual, I'm oriented towards those of the opposite sex of me.  Homosexual, to those of the same sex as me.  Bisexual, both opposite and same.  Asexual may or may not be an orientation, since you're not attracted to either.

I don't know if you can be "oriented" to a specific person, in the case of incest.  If you're a guy, and you're oriented towards your brother, well, he's a guy.  So I guess it's homosexual but with a very narrow focus.
 
2014-06-25 04:34:14 PM

stoli n coke: moothemagiccow: One thing I don't get about "you think a man can marry a snake" - do people seriously not understand sexual consent?

This is the party that can't go 48 hours without someone mouthing off about rape. What do you think?


silverscreenmodes.com

I think they have as much knowledge on sexuality as a Replicant. Replicant. Republican. Waaaaiiiit a minute...
 
2014-06-25 04:35:40 PM
As tfa explained, those things are disorders, not "orientations".

/voting GOP is an orientation as well
//and a disorder
 
2014-06-25 04:35:54 PM
To be fair, consent isn't really a concern for necrophiliacs.
 
2014-06-25 04:36:33 PM
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2014-06-25 04:38:48 PM

silo123j: Of COURSE it does....

Just look in his closet for his porn stash.


He has spares?
1.bp.blogspot.com
What a porn stache might look like.
 
2014-06-25 04:39:20 PM

moothemagiccow: One thing I don't get about "you think a man can marry a snake" - do people seriously not understand sexual consent?


Sexual Consent is a serpent, born of Satan and rife with analogy.
 
2014-06-25 04:41:00 PM

moothemagiccow: One thing I don't get about "you think a man can marry a snake" - do people seriously not understand sexual consent?


I know--why buy the cow when you get the sex for free?
 
2014-06-25 04:41:14 PM
...and I bet he'll be just as surprised at the backlash as every other idiot who's said this at least since Rick Santorum did in 200...3?

// "Skip", huh?
// just a hop and jump away from "Mince", if'n you ask me
 
2014-06-25 04:42:25 PM
Apotemnophilia . Well, you learn something new every day.
 
2014-06-25 04:42:36 PM

sweetmelissa31: [l.wigflip.com image 500x375]


37.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-06-25 04:45:59 PM

wellreadneck: To be fair, consent isn't really a concern for necrophiliacs.


Don't be a jerk.  Some of them aren't rapey:
images.sodahead.com
 
2014-06-25 04:46:29 PM

Jaden Smith First of His Name: I don't think he's technically wrong that some of those are orientations, although I'm not sure whether some of them are fetishes versus orientations. The reason homosexuality is different from the others is due to consent, so pedophiles and beastiality fans aren't protected, but maybe adult brotherfarkers are.


Well, I know what I'm doing this week-end...
 
2014-06-25 04:46:56 PM
Yep.  That's right GOP, the people that believe in equal marriage rights and social protections for homosexuals all also believe in bestiality and incest.

Nice to see that tent getting bigger and bigger.

Farking morons.
 
2014-06-25 04:47:12 PM

palelizard: wellreadneck: To be fair, consent isn't really a concern for necrophiliacs.

Don't be a jerk.  Some of them aren't rapey:
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"Do you have a living will?"
"... Uh, kind of?"
 
2014-06-25 04:52:34 PM
God, why won't you liberals just accept that just because something is harmless it shares topical similarities to things that are harmful?


Why are you not as stupid as us?  STOP BEING SO UNSTUPID!
 
2014-06-25 04:54:28 PM
I guess the question is if the similarity is "You might fark it" doesn't heterosexual sex also fall into the same category?
 
2014-06-25 04:57:32 PM
I'm pretty sure "mental handicap" includes being a Republican.

/also, being part of the religious right, being a Palin and/or a Bush.
 
2014-06-25 04:59:25 PM
"If you like making sex with stuff.  Who know what you might make sex with.  You might fark a lady, or a dude, or a car, or a dead guy, or a tree.  Where does it end?"
 
2014-06-25 05:02:30 PM

Jaden Smith First of His Name: I don't think he's technically wrong that some of those are orientations, although I'm not sure whether some of them are fetishes versus orientations. The reason homosexuality is different from the others is due to consent, so pedophiles and beastiality fans aren't protected, but maybe adult brotherfarkers are.


That's kind of what I was thinking. I read an article awhile back that got a lot if flack in the comments because some thought it was comparing homosexuality to pedophilia, but what it was talking about was how pedophilia is a sexual orientation, that peds don't choose it anymore than hetero or homo sexuals and regardless of whatever "treatment" we offer them, they will remain so. I don't enough about whatever field studies that type of thing to know if it's a totally valid east to look, but it was interesting.
 
2014-06-25 05:03:55 PM

DeadPuppySociety: Jaden Smith First of His Name: I don't think he's technically wrong that some of those are orientations, although I'm not sure whether some of them are fetishes versus orientations. The reason homosexuality is different from the others is due to consent, so pedophiles and beastiality fans aren't protected, but maybe adult brotherfarkers are.

That's kind of what I was thinking. I read an article awhile back that got a lot if flack in the comments because some thought it was comparing homosexuality to pedophilia, but what it was talking about was how pedophilia is a sexual orientation, that peds don't choose it anymore than hetero or homo sexuals and regardless of whatever "treatment" we offer them, they will remain so. I don't enough about whatever field studies that type of thing to know if it's a totally valid east to look, but it was interesting.


Bah! "valid way to look at it,".
 
2014-06-25 05:07:29 PM

DeadPuppySociety: Jaden Smith First of His Name: I don't think he's technically wrong that some of those are orientations, although I'm not sure whether some of them are fetishes versus orientations. The reason homosexuality is different from the others is due to consent, so pedophiles and beastiality fans aren't protected, but maybe adult brotherfarkers are.

That's kind of what I was thinking. I read an article awhile back that got a lot if flack in the comments because some thought it was comparing homosexuality to pedophilia, but what it was talking about was how pedophilia is a sexual orientation, that peds don't choose it anymore than hetero or homo sexuals and regardless of whatever "treatment" we offer them, they will remain so. I don't enough about whatever field studies that type of thing to know if it's a totally valid east to look, but it was interesting.


I think it's a kneejerk reaction as so many people try to push the whole gay=child rapist thing.
 
2014-06-25 05:08:32 PM
Sure, I'll double down on this one: Incest should be legal provided it is between two consenting adults, just like any other sexual conduct.  Bestiality should be legal, provided you own the animal.  Pedophilia (being sexually attracted to children) is already legal.  But even if he meant *acting* on pedophilia, that is generally only illegal in the U.S. due to legal presumptions about the age at which one can consent (and in that regard, is no different than contract law, or other areas of the law that require the ability to give informed consent).

Not every thing you find morally reprehensible needs to be illegal.
 
2014-06-25 05:09:20 PM
Wow...all this time I thought my sexual orientation was "heterosexual", but it turns out to be "shortbrunetteswithglassesphilia".

I have some forms to re-submit, I guess.
 
2014-06-25 05:12:01 PM

Needlessly Complicated: I'm pretty sure "mental handicap" includes being a Republican.

/also, being part of the religious right, being a Palin and/or a Bush.


Please. Mentally handicapped people are aware of their condition and can even learn to live a life with or without a caretaker.

This is just extreme ignorance and the refusal to be shown as wrong to anybody.
 
2014-06-25 05:12:50 PM
I'd like to classify a new mental disorder, let's call it "Derpmentia."  Symptoms include but not limited to:

1. Xenophobia
2. Homophobia
3. Irrational paranoia about the government
4. Lack of empathy (especially in cases of economic hardship or rape)
5. The inability to keep your mouth shut while experiencing bouts of symptoms 1-4
 
2014-06-25 05:13:33 PM

Talondel: Bestiality should be legal, provided you own the animal.


wtf?

*backs slowly out of thread*
 
2014-06-25 05:20:05 PM

someonelse: Talondel: Bestiality should be legal, provided you own the animal.

wtf?

*backs slowly out of thread*


beat it like a rented mule
 
2014-06-25 05:21:20 PM
So, are fleshlights an orientation?
 
2014-06-25 05:22:25 PM
Sounds about right to me.
 
2014-06-25 05:24:25 PM
I claimed the name after stories about CPAC = rise in anonymous gay sex postings. "Kinky Republicans" is GREAT name for a band.
 
2014-06-25 05:29:10 PM

BMFPitt: Sounds about right to me.


Actually 2 out of 3. I forgot incest was on there by the time I scrolled down.
 
2014-06-25 05:32:39 PM
"Sexual orientation is not defined anywhere."

0_o
 
2014-06-25 05:38:42 PM
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2014-06-25 05:40:22 PM

Jaden Smith First of His Name: The reason homosexuality is different from the others is due to consent


Woof means 'No'
 
2014-06-25 05:43:28 PM
graphics8.nytimes.com

"What is it with you people and the animal-farking?!"
 
2014-06-25 05:44:06 PM
How long has GOP membership come with a free lobotomy?
 
2014-06-25 05:50:00 PM
F*cking consent, how does it work?
 
2014-06-25 05:50:53 PM
Subby, he's correct too--at least from a psychological perspective. All those things can be sexual orientations.
 
2014-06-25 05:51:05 PM

BojanglesPaladin: According to the American Psychology Association:
"Sexual orientation refers to the sex of those to whom one is sexually and romantically attracted. Categories of sexual orientation typically have included attraction to members of one's own sex (gay men or lesbians), attraction to members of the other sex (heterosexuals), and attraction to members of both sexes (bisexuals)."

Meaning it is the orientation to which GENDER (remembering that 'sex' is a synonym for 'gender') that a person is oriented toward. Unfortunately, "Sexual" is an ambiguous terms with multiple meanings and connotations.

I hate to agree with the guy, but maybe we could avoid a lot of the terminology confusion by using clearer terms: Call it Gender Orientation.


There's a problem with that: Sex and gender are not synonyms.

http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbt/resources/sexuality-definitions.pdf
 
2014-06-25 05:55:18 PM
if you're attracted to an 18 yo boy, then you're homosexual.
if you're attracted to a 17.5 yo boy,
fta;

"It is a disease and a problem that has to be addressed outside of this body."
 
2014-06-25 05:59:52 PM

colon_pow: if you're attracted to an 18 yo boys, then you're homosexual.
if you're attracted to a 17.5 yo boys,
fta;

"It is a disease and a problem that has to be addressed outside of this body."


Although I'd say if your attraction is based primarily on the nominal age of the other person (8, 18, 38 or 88), there's probably some psychopathology there. If you're attracted to one specific 17.5 year old boy, wait 6 months. If you're no longer attracted to them once they're "of age", you may, in fact, have a problem.
 
2014-06-25 06:18:53 PM
Wait, but if it's 'incest incest' doesn't the body have a way of shutting that all down?

Also, word of the day: frotteurism
 
2014-06-25 06:45:53 PM

worlddan: Subby, he's correct too--at least from a psychological perspective. All those things can be sexual orientations.


A cursory look at the APA website seems to show that the term is used exclusively in an LGBT context.
 
2014-06-25 06:50:11 PM
"GOP lawmaker is pretty sure that 'sexual orientation' includes incest, bestiality and pedophelia"

Is he thinking this when his BDSM madam is smacking him with a whip while an underage donkey is waiting in the corner.

Difficulty: Which one is he related to?
 
2014-06-25 06:51:04 PM

colon_pow: if you're attracted to an 18 yo boy, then you're homosexual.
if you're attracted to a 17.5 yo boy,
fta;

"It is a disease and a problem that has to be addressed outside of this body."


No.

"Pedophilia or paedophilia is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children, generally age 11 years or younger. As a medical diagnosis, specific criteria for the disorder extends the cut-off point for prepubescence to age 13"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia

No one thinks people who are attracted to 17 year olds are pedophiles.  At least, not anyone who uses the DSM definitions.  In most of the world and in most of the US the age of consent is 16.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent

So while some people may consider attraction to 17.5 year olds immoral or illegal, that's not the prevailing view and certainly not the DSM view.
 
2014-06-25 06:58:00 PM

James!: "If you like making sex with stuff.  Who know what you might make sex with.  You might fark a lady, or a dude, or a car, or a dead guy, or a tree.  Where does it end?"


It ends with a turtle.

i59.tinypic.com
 
2014-06-25 06:59:20 PM
Those aren't orientations those are your thing, your bag, your kink, what really gets the motor running, ifykwim.  I draw the line for acceptable or unacceptable to indulge in at consent.  Neigh means neigh.
 
2014-06-25 07:00:34 PM
NC resident here...
Sorry everyone.
No, really.

It looks like the state Eugenics Board missed his family.
 
2014-06-25 07:03:21 PM

For shame! Neither TFA nor the FARK comments here mentions the word "paraphilia"? Paraphilias are sexual disorders involving sexual attractions to things (living or otherwise) which are inherently non-sexual. Unlike orientations which are congenital (not the same thing as "genetic"), paraphilias derive from childhood experiences.

Sexual Orientations:

• Heterosexuality
• Bisexuality¹
• Homosexuality
• Asexuality
_________________
¹ Since sexual orientation is actually more of a continuum than discrete divisions, such that a person might be, say, 90% heterosexual and 10% homosexual, "bisexual" might be a misnomer, but might be useful as a region indicator, sort of like "centrist" on the Left/Right political scale.


Paraphilias:
• Fetishes²
• Exhibitionism
• Voyeurism
• Frotteurism
• Sadism
• Masochism²
• Pædophilia²
_________________
² Pædophilia can be considered basically a "child fetish." Masochism can be considered a "pain fetish."
 
2014-06-25 07:06:19 PM
Man, no wonder your country is going down the toilet. I'm 100% straight, and I've never heard such bullshiat in my life! The only reason I can think of is that grandpappy farked your old man up the ass and he shiat you out, and you're jealous. Man, you are batshiat crazy.

email sent to him but with out FARK niceties
 
2014-06-25 07:13:06 PM

worlddan: Subby, he's correct too--at least from a psychological perspective. All those things can be sexual orientations.


Not really - with incest it's just people who happen to have had relationships with people they were related to. Them not sharing the broader societal taboo against such relationships isn't the same thing as them having some immutable desire to only enter into those kinds of relationships. Bestiality is more of a fetish, since I doubt whether even people who engaged in it feel as though they have the same kind of relationships with those animals as a heterosexual man might envision having with a woman.

Pedophilia, in the very strict, clinical sense of the term is kind of vaguely in the same ballpark as sexual orientation, but even that's a bit of a stretch.
 
2014-06-25 07:20:47 PM

Biological Ali: Not really - with incest it's just people who happen to have had relationships with people they were related to.


I'm not disagreeing but most incestuous "relationships" are non-consensual. Meaning rape.
 
2014-06-25 07:43:53 PM

COMALite J: For shame! Neither TFA nor the FARK comments here mentions the word "paraphilia"?



FOR SHAME!!

As if its that simple.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/31/apa-correct-manual-c la rification-pedophilia-not-se/

The fact is that any distinction between any of the items you listed is arbitrary, capricious, and without any foundation in either psychology or scientific fact.  The APA will do whatever it takes to keep its monopoly going, that's the only thing one needs to know.
 
2014-06-25 07:53:30 PM
The stuff on that guy's computer must be terrifying.
 
2014-06-25 07:55:14 PM

moothemagiccow: I'm not disagreeing but most incestuous "relationships" are non-consensual. Meaning rape.


How, exactly, do you know this?
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2014-06-25 07:58:15 PM

bgddy24601: Here's a pic of ol' Paul "Skip" Stam looking all proud after passing out his "literature"
[decidingforlife.com image 400x400]


Is...is that really him? The way he looks now?

OH MY GOD.....GAY!
 
2014-06-25 07:58:42 PM
While consensual incest does make me a bit queezy, just because its gross isnt a valid reason to outlaw it.

For the sake of argument lets say pedophilia and bestiality are sexual orientations. The big thing there is that those have one is a victim. They are not consensual. Now, I dont know about you, but having someone force themselves upon another makes me even more sick than thinking about a brother and a sister farking.
 
2014-06-25 08:01:35 PM

ReverendJasen: moothemagiccow: I'm not disagreeing but most incestuous "relationships" are non-consensual. Meaning rape.

How, exactly, do you know this?
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Ok, to put this to a finer point, I'm categorizing child-rape in the pedophile group, regardless of relation.  Leaving "incest" as sex between consent-capable adults. (even though raping your own child can count as both, the former seems a more important distinction)
 
2014-06-25 08:10:13 PM
He took a page from a dated scientific resource and willfully relabeled the contents to misrepresent it.

That shiat should be grounds for immediate expulsion.
 
2014-06-25 11:23:52 PM
Control F "consent"

*many many hits*

Nice to see that the thread is smarter than this GOP lawmaker.

Talondel: Bestiality should be legal, provided you own the animal.


For the most part.
 
2014-06-26 12:17:15 AM

quatchi: Control F "consent"

*many many hits*

Nice to see that the thread is smarter than this GOP lawmaker.

Talondel: Bestiality should be legal, provided you own the animal.

For the most part.


Awwww. Common. It's perfectly legal to kill them and eat them, but having sex with them is a bridge too far?  For what it's worth, bestiality is still legal in at least 12 states. And ownership of animal pornography is apparently legal in all 50 states.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoophilia_and_the_law_in_the_United_Sta te s
 
2014-06-26 12:26:37 AM

Talondel: quatchi: Control F "consent"

*many many hits*

Nice to see that the thread is smarter than this GOP lawmaker.

Talondel: Bestiality should be legal, provided you own the animal.

For the most part.

Awwww. Common. It's perfectly legal to kill them and eat them, but having sex with them is a bridge too far?  For what it's worth, bestiality is still legal in at least 12 states. And ownership of animal pornography is apparently legal in all 50 states.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoophilia_and_the_law_in_the_United_Sta te s


For the most part, bestiality is illegal because it's so icky; but also just because animals can't consent to sex. Just like necrophilia: If you can get consent from beyond the grave, it wouldn't technically be illegal to rape a corpse, but still.

For myself, the only reason I'd prefer not to allow bestiality and necrophilia to be legal is because of the ramifications of implied consent: "Look, the rhino didn't kill me, so I assumed it was okay!" "The dead body wasn't fighting back, so it must have been all right!" At what point, then, is an unconscious body presumed not to be consenting, but a dead body IS presumed to be consenting? Therefore, we just disallow sex with anyone or anything that can't actually give consent, and we don't have to ask these questions.
 
2014-06-26 12:33:46 AM

davideggy: I'm actually kinda surprised the GOP aren't more in favor of bestiality.


Me too. I mean they've been farking the same few chickens over and over ever since Obama was elected the first time.

/boy dogs or girl dogs?
//because boy dogs would be, just, eeewwwwwwwwwwww!
 
2014-06-26 01:27:04 AM

ReverendJasen: ReverendJasen: moothemagiccow: I'm not disagreeing but most incestuous "relationships" are non-consensual. Meaning rape.

How, exactly, do you know this?
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Ok, to put this to a finer point, I'm categorizing child-rape in the pedophile group, regardless of relation.  Leaving "incest" as sex between consent-capable adults. (even though raping your own child can count as both, the former seems a more important distinction)


So do I still need to look it up for you, or are you done moving your goal posts?  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incest#Between_adults_and_children 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incest#Between_childhood_siblings 

There's a reason incest is the I in RAINN and mentioned alongside rape and mortal danger in the standard cases in which an abortion is absolutely necessary. Because it's not like Shelbyville and his attractive cousins.
 
2014-06-26 01:31:02 AM

Talondel: quatchi: Control F "consent"

*many many hits*

Nice to see that the thread is smarter than this GOP lawmaker.

Talondel: Bestiality should be legal, provided you own the animal.

For the most part.

Awwww. Common. It's perfectly legal to kill them and eat them, but having sex with them is a bridge too far?  For what it's worth, bestiality is still legal in at least 12 states. And ownership of animal pornography is apparently legal in all 50 states.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoophilia_and_the_law_in_the_United_Sta te s


You can find animal porn on youtube. It's on PBS all the time, too. You can also see dogs' assholes about half the time you look at them.

Fun fact: in NC, the bestiality charge is "crime against nature"
 
2014-06-26 10:29:19 AM
Look I am as liberal as they come
but State party rep (who speaks for some 20-50k) people does not exactly mean all Republicans think this stuff.
Now if that person ran for higher office  that stuff is fair game, which is why storied like this get written.
 
2014-06-26 12:31:19 PM
GOP lawmaker is pretty sure that 'sexual orientation' includes incest, bestiality and pedophelia

Probably just trying to justify his personal interests.
 
2014-06-26 02:47:28 PM

Gyrfalcon: Talondel: quatchi: Control F "consent"

*many many hits*

Nice to see that the thread is smarter than this GOP lawmaker.

Talondel: Bestiality should be legal, provided you own the animal.

For the most part.

Awwww. Common. It's perfectly legal to kill them and eat them, but having sex with them is a bridge too far?  For what it's worth, bestiality is still legal in at least 12 states. And ownership of animal pornography is apparently legal in all 50 states.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoophilia_and_the_law_in_the_United_Sta te s

For the most part, bestiality is illegal because it's so icky; but also just because animals can't consent to sex. Just like necrophilia: If you can get consent from beyond the grave, it wouldn't technically be illegal to rape a corpse, but still.

For myself, the only reason I'd prefer not to allow bestiality and necrophilia to be legal is because of the ramifications of implied consent: "Look, the rhino didn't kill me, so I assumed it was okay!" "The dead body wasn't fighting back, so it must have been all right!" At what point, then, is an unconscious body presumed not to be consenting, but a dead body IS presumed to be consenting? Therefore, we just disallow sex with anyone or anything that can't actually give consent, and we don't have to ask these questions.


i thought i'd heard of some cases where the people got in trouble for desecrating a grave, not for the actual sex-with-a-corpse...  don't remember and not quite bored enough to go looking for it, thanks anyway...

but i think the reason necrophilia's the squicky blurred-line-of-consent that it is is because unlike someone who's unconscious, the majority opinion regarding corpses is NOT that they are going to wake up the next morning and object to having been used for sex.  and at that point it's really more of a moralistic view of "after someone dies, looking at them as a sex doll made of human tissue is creepy"
 
2014-06-26 04:55:51 PM

worlddan: COMALite J: For shame! Neither TFA nor the FARK comments here mentions the word "paraphilia"?


FOR SHAME!!

As if its that simple.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/31/apa-correct-manual-c la rification-pedophilia-not-se/

The fact is that any distinction between any of the items you listed is arbitrary, capricious, and without any foundation in either psychology or scientific fact.  The APA will do whatever it takes to keep its monopoly going, that's the only thing one needs to know.

No, neither arbitrary nor capricious, and yes, well grounded in psychology and scientific evidence (there's no such thing as "scientific fact"). We have substantial scientific evidence that orientations are indeed congenital (meaning you're born with them, regardless of what actually causes them ― other non-genetic yet congenital conditions include birth defects from the mother having contracted rubella ["German measles"] during the first trimester, spina bifida and other neural tube defects caused by the mother having insufficient folate, Rhesus-factor blood incompatibility between mother and fetus [Rh+ father's sperm causes Rh+ fetus in an Rh− mother, whose antibodies then attack the fetus as an invader], Thalidomide® babies [duh!] Fetal Alcohol Syndrome [FAS ― duh!], etc. etc. etc.), while paraphilias are not but are acquired in childhood (e.g. boys who've been molested being more likely to become pedophiles, though the biggest factor in all paraphilias appears to be spending early childhood in a sexually repressed environment, inhibiting normal psychosexual development and the ability of the child to give and receive love in a normal, healthy manner).
 
2014-06-26 06:50:49 PM
In a psychological sense, yes, a variety of paraphilia including attraction to children, relatives, animals, and inanimate objects contribute towards sexual orientation.

But in the context of law, it's implicit and obvious that illegal behaviors cannot be protected.
 
2014-06-27 01:32:09 AM

Taxbongo: While consensual incest does make me a bit queezy, just because its gross isnt a valid reason to outlaw it.


Here's a reason to outlaw:  If incest were legal, then some fathers  would groom their daughters for sexual service when they came of legal age.  You can pretty much put money on that.  And there would be little to nothing anyone could do to stop it.

It's pretty much the main reason we can't legalize polyamorous marriages -- religious polygamists would be all over that shiat, and the consequences for women and children are already well known and not acceptable.
 
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