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(Salon)   University of Washington Professor: People mistakenly think the Tea Party is racist. That's wrong; they're also homophobic, xenophobic and sexist   (salon.com ) divider line 75
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2014-06-25 10:51:52 AM  
um, they needed a study to confirm this?
 
2014-06-25 10:58:32 AM  
Yeah, but I think the green party is the sexiest.
 
2014-06-25 11:09:11 AM  
From TFA:

What they want is, if a change is going take place, they prefer to have organic, controlled change versus revolutionary change. In other words, evolutionary versus revolutionary change.

Horsehockey.

The Grand Ol' Tea Party has no truck with evolution in any way, shape or form.  As God intended.
 
2014-06-25 11:33:32 AM  
"So they're not dumb, and they're not working-class or poor - and this has been the case with Birchers, this was the case with the 1920s Ku Klux Klan, this was the case with the Know-Nothing Party in the 1850s. Same demographic group, every time."

Yup, also:

"It's not the astroturf movement that a lot of people think it is. I said that in that Brookings piece and I've backed that up with some evidence. Now, we saw what happened in Virginia, right? You had this guy, Brat, who got almost zero support from national Tea Party organizations - and look what happened. So I think there's really valid data showing that the Tea Party movement is not the astroturf movement that people think it is."

I think it's a mistake to underestimate how "independent" these people are. They are selfish, afraid, close-minded, and incredibly active but they aren't being manipulated by anyone.
 
2014-06-25 11:38:08 AM  

DjangoStonereaver: The Grand Ol' Tea Party has no truck with evolution in any way, shape or form.  As God intended.


Evolution means change, and why should they have to change?  They're  right.  Everyone else should just fall into line with  them.
 
2014-06-25 11:47:26 AM  

ginandbacon: "So they're not dumb, and they're not working-class or poor - and this has been the case with Birchers, this was the case with the 1920s Ku Klux Klan, this was the case with the Know-Nothing Party in the 1850s. Same demographic group, every time."

Yup, also:

"It's not the astroturf movement that a lot of people think it is. I said that in that Brookings piece and I've backed that up with some evidence. Now, we saw what happened in Virginia, right? You had this guy, Brat, who got almost zero support from national Tea Party organizations - and look what happened. So I think there's really valid data showing that the Tea Party movement is not the astroturf movement that people think it is."

I think it's a mistake to underestimate how "independent" these people are. They are selfish, afraid, close-minded, and incredibly active but they aren't being manipulated by anyone.


I guess that explains why the Tea Party platform is essentially identical to the Klan platform from the 1950's and uses a lot of the same language to promote itself.
 
2014-06-25 11:48:15 AM  

ginandbacon: "It's not the astroturf movement that a lot of people think it is. I said that in that Brookings piece and I've backed that up with some evidence. Now, we saw what happened in Virginia, right? You had this guy, Brat, who got almost zero support from national Tea Party organizations - and look what happened. So I think there's really valid data showing that the Tea Party movement is not the astroturf movement that people think it is."


They most certainly started out as Dick Armey's army when he was running Freedom Works with help from AFP, they have morphed into their own entity after infighting amongst conservative/libertarian groups left them to run off the reservation
 
2014-06-25 12:14:03 PM  
So he doesn't understand what the term "mistaken" and "wrong" means?

And as has been already noted...he actually had to do a study to figure this out?
 
2014-06-25 12:15:39 PM  

FlashHarry: um, they needed a study to confirm this?


They do studies on everything. Just so we can point to them while derpers like the tea party deny their accuracy.
 
2014-06-25 12:16:04 PM  
Freedom Works, Tea Party Express et al. certainly made it socially acceptable and acceptable in the media to be a disgusting moron teabagger in public, which was a valuable top-down service provided to the now-locally franchised crazies that are currently causing problems. I just hope the lost Senate seats and death threats were worth the failed attempt to stop a Heritage Foundation health bill.
 
2014-06-25 12:16:56 PM  

zedster: ginandbacon: "It's not the astroturf movement that a lot of people think it is. I said that in that Brookings piece and I've backed that up with some evidence. Now, we saw what happened in Virginia, right? You had this guy, Brat, who got almost zero support from national Tea Party organizations - and look what happened. So I think there's really valid data showing that the Tea Party movement is not the astroturf movement that people think it is."

They most certainly started out as Dick Armey's army when he was running Freedom Works with help from AFP, they have morphed into their own entity after infighting amongst conservative/libertarian groups left them to run off the reservation


It's like a coal fire. You tap into the giant unseen vein of pure derp, set it on fire, and it will consume itself for years.
 
2014-06-25 12:17:09 PM  
Prof Christopher Parker is the homophobic, xenophobic, sexist, racist for saying the Teaparty are homophobic, xenophobic, sexist, racists.
 
2014-06-25 12:18:42 PM  
The Teaparty isn't homophobic, xenophobic, sexist, and racist.  The Teaparty is just number one with homophobes, xenophobes, sexists, and racists.
 
2014-06-25 12:20:26 PM  
That interview is worth reading if only to contextualize the tea party movement as a whole. Sure you instinctively know these things about them, but it's nice to read them all in one place with a warning about how they'll keep mucking things up for eternity.
 
2014-06-25 12:20:35 PM  

Triple Oak: FlashHarry: um, they needed a study to confirm this?

They do studies on everything.


this is true. i remember a headline in my old college paper blaring: "study shows coffee makes you go to the bathroom."
 
2014-06-25 12:21:24 PM  
Personally I think there are two fatuous statements you can make about teahadists:

1. They're totally manipulated and controlled by outside forces
2. They're utterly free of any kind of control or manipulation by outside forces

Yes, many of them have been swayed by money spent to rile them up, essentially with a message of "lazy urbanites are putting THEIR hands into YOUR pockets and STEALING your Murcan dollars, also teh ghey and lady parts."

Yes, many of them are unpredictable and have clearly turned on the politicians who glibly assumed they would be the Easiest Political Tool Ever.
 
2014-06-25 12:21:45 PM  

zedster: ginandbacon: "It's not the astroturf movement that a lot of people think it is. I said that in that Brookings piece and I've backed that up with some evidence. Now, we saw what happened in Virginia, right? You had this guy, Brat, who got almost zero support from national Tea Party organizations - and look what happened. So I think there's really valid data showing that the Tea Party movement is not the astroturf movement that people think it is."

They most certainly started out as Dick Armey's army when he was running Freedom Works with help from AFP, they have morphed into their own entity after infighting amongst conservative/libertarian groups left them to run off the reservation


Right, it was people attempting to manipulate them, and going too far. Overtightening the nut, so to speak.
 
2014-06-25 12:23:19 PM  
To be fair, this is mostly because they are psychopaths
 
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2014-06-25 12:24:46 PM  
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2014-06-25 12:25:04 PM  
But these reactionary conservatives see policy differences, or differences of policy preferences, as a contest between good and evil. They have this Manichaean way of looking at politics, this apocalyptic way of looking at politics. Therefore, compromise cannot be [allowed]. Compromise will not be tolerated whatsoever, because they see it as concession to evil, whereas an establishment conservative knows that compromise is necessary.

Why do people feel the need to give these nuts legitimacy by using terms like "reactionary conservatives" instead of calling them what they are... right-wing radicals?
 
2014-06-25 12:25:06 PM  

James!: Yeah, but I think the green party is the sexiest.



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What's wrong with being xenophoby?
 
2014-06-25 12:26:17 PM  

D-Liver: James!: Yeah, but I think the green party is the sexiest.


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What's wrong with being xenophoby?


Damn, beat me to it
 
2014-06-25 12:28:28 PM  

James!: Yeah, but I think the green party is the sexiest.


IST. SexIST.

/sorry, couldn't help it
 
2014-06-25 12:30:38 PM  
They forgot "ugly", "lazy" and "disrespectful".
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// speaking of loose screws...
 
2014-06-25 12:31:02 PM  

FlashHarry: um, they needed a study to confirm this?


They needed to study it out.
 
2014-06-25 12:32:21 PM  
And even this misses the point:

They're fascists.  The good old fashioned kind of fascist.  That's a breeding ground for all kinds of bigotry, because of the strong ingroup/outgroup divide.
 
2014-06-25 12:33:01 PM  
Cantor lost that election because he put shiat-filled sock puppets in charge of his campaign, and never bothered to "unskew" his polls.  Hubris lost him that seat.

Independent my ass; for all the infighting they cause, Tea Party voters will still vote straight Republican, always, even if the "establishment" candidate crushes whatever retard they put forward.  Case in point:  Turtleman.  He is deeply unpopular and got primaried, but is now coasting to re-election.  Grimes doesn't stand a chance in hell, and it's because these "rugged independents" will biatch and moan and throw a fit about wanting a "conservative" candidate, but will not fail to cast that "R" like the mindless lemmings they ultimately are.
 
2014-06-25 12:33:17 PM  
Wrong, because I saw a black lady at a Tea Party rally, and a guy wearing a pink shirt.  Check and mate.
 
2014-06-25 12:33:54 PM  

FlashHarry: um, they needed a study to confirm this?


That's how science works

Hypothesis: The Tea Party is racist, xenophobic, sexist, and full of white male older Christians.

Supporting evidence?
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www.americanclarion.com
 
2014-06-25 12:34:11 PM  
Isn't it easier to just call them sociopaths?
 
2014-06-25 12:35:20 PM  

dascott: Isn't it easier to just call them sociopaths?


They're not though.  They're the mental archetype most easily preyed on by sociopaths: authoritarian followers.
 
2014-06-25 12:37:31 PM  

theknuckler_33: But these reactionary conservatives see policy differences, or differences of policy preferences, as a contest between good and evil. They have this Manichaean way of looking at politics, this apocalyptic way of looking at politics. Therefore, compromise cannot be [allowed]. Compromise will not be tolerated whatsoever, because they see it as concession to evil, whereas an establishment conservative knows that compromise is necessary.

Why do people feel the need to give these nuts legitimacy by using terms like "reactionary conservatives" instead of calling them what they are... right-wing radicals?


Can't it be both?

Reactionaries can be radicals, these guys want a revolution to return to the status quo of the 1950's
 
2014-06-25 12:38:45 PM  

FlashHarry: um, they needed a study to confirm this?


It's how the Global Derping Panic community keeps their sweet, fat grant money coming in to support their lavish lifestyles.
 
2014-06-25 12:39:01 PM  
fta People want to say that they're crazy, and they're really not. They want to maintain their social position, their social prestige;

'Bagger Pride

img.photobucket.com
 
2014-06-25 12:40:07 PM  

meat0918: theknuckler_33: But these reactionary conservatives see policy differences, or differences of policy preferences, as a contest between good and evil. They have this Manichaean way of looking at politics, this apocalyptic way of looking at politics. Therefore, compromise cannot be [allowed]. Compromise will not be tolerated whatsoever, because they see it as concession to evil, whereas an establishment conservative knows that compromise is necessary.

Why do people feel the need to give these nuts legitimacy by using terms like "reactionary conservatives" instead of calling them what they are... right-wing radicals?

Can't it be both?

Reactionaries can be radicals, these guys want a revolution to return to the status quo of the 1950's


Except without the unions.
 
2014-06-25 12:40:57 PM  

Markus5: meat0918: theknuckler_33: But these reactionary conservatives see policy differences, or differences of policy preferences, as a contest between good and evil. They have this Manichaean way of looking at politics, this apocalyptic way of looking at politics. Therefore, compromise cannot be [allowed]. Compromise will not be tolerated whatsoever, because they see it as concession to evil, whereas an establishment conservative knows that compromise is necessary.

Why do people feel the need to give these nuts legitimacy by using terms like "reactionary conservatives" instead of calling them what they are... right-wing radicals?

Can't it be both?

Reactionaries can be radicals, these guys want a revolution to return to the status quo of the 1950's

Except without the unions.


So.... the 1850s?
 
2014-06-25 12:41:44 PM  

Zerochance: Cantor lost that election because he put shiat-filled sock puppets in charge of his campaign, and never bothered to "unskew" his polls.  Hubris lost him that seat.

Independent my ass; for all the infighting they cause, Tea Party voters will still vote straight Republican, always, even if the "establishment" candidate crushes whatever retard they put forward.  Case in point:  Turtleman.  He is deeply unpopular and got primaried, but is now coasting to re-election.  Grimes doesn't stand a chance in hell, and it's because these "rugged independents" will biatch and moan and throw a fit about wanting a "conservative" candidate, but will not fail to cast that "R" like the mindless lemmings they ultimately are.


Which is why sitting out elections ends up supporting the right.
 
2014-06-25 12:43:45 PM  

meat0918: Markus5: meat0918: theknuckler_33: But these reactionary conservatives see policy differences, or differences of policy preferences, as a contest between good and evil. They have this Manichaean way of looking at politics, this apocalyptic way of looking at politics. Therefore, compromise cannot be [allowed]. Compromise will not be tolerated whatsoever, because they see it as concession to evil, whereas an establishment conservative knows that compromise is necessary.

Why do people feel the need to give these nuts legitimacy by using terms like "reactionary conservatives" instead of calling them what they are... right-wing radicals?

Can't it be both?

Reactionaries can be radicals, these guys want a revolution to return to the status quo of the 1950's

Except without the unions.

So.... the 1850s?


No.  You need TeeVee.  And cars.  Just without those people parading it in your face.
 
2014-06-25 12:44:14 PM  
theknuckler_33:

Why do people feel the need to give these nuts legitimacy by using terms like "reactionary conservatives" instead of calling them what they are... right-wing radicals?

The legitimacy you're speaking of is not a matter of semantics; it stems from the fact that party leaders  - like say, the Governor of Louisiana - are telling these folks that they are RIGHT to want to rise up in arms because the Libruls are out to get them.
 
2014-06-25 12:44:59 PM  
The Tea Party is a grass-roots, bipartisan group of Americans of all peoples who are ONLY concerned about the budget... and also gay marriage, voter fraud, illegal immigrants, and Sharia Law, but MOSTLY about the budget.
 
2014-06-25 12:50:53 PM  

Rapmaster2000: The Tea Party is a grass-roots, bipartisan group of Americans of all peoples who are ONLY concerned about the budget... and also gay marriage, voter fraud, illegal immigrants, and Sharia Law, but MOSTLY about the budget.


And it was very, VERY concerned about that budget well before that colored boy got elected to the White House.  They were just to patriotic to bring it up while those brave Americans were fighting in Iraq.
 
2014-06-25 12:51:21 PM  

NeverDrunk23: Which is why sitting out elections ends up supporting the right.


Which is precisely why I ultimately found the OWS movement to be completely full of shiat.  It was a bunch of reactionary bullshiat from liberals that failed to realize the reason business-friendly Tea Party plutocrats took over Congress is because they FAILED to vote in the mid-terms.  The youth vote - no small percentage of what got Obama elected in the first place - dropped by 60%.  They fell asleep at the wheel, allowed a GOP take over of Congress, then started banging bongos about it without acknowledging they allowed for it to happen.
 
2014-06-25 12:54:32 PM  

ginandbacon: I think it's a mistake to underestimate how "independent" these people are. They are selfish, afraid, close-minded, and incredibly active but they aren't being manipulated by anyone.


Depends on your definition of manipulation. TEA Partiers are definitely abetted and maintained by larger forces who use them as a media distraction and reliable voting block.

If you own a herd of cattle, you can safely leave them to their own devices much of the time, just as long as they obey when you point them in the direction you want them to stampede. The fact that your stampeding cattle consider themselves "independent" and are completely ignorant of your motivations isn't important.
 
2014-06-25 12:56:08 PM  

Rapmaster2000: The Tea Party is a grass-roots, bipartisan group of Americans of all peoples who are ONLY concerned about the budget... and also gay marriage, voter fraud, illegal immigrants, and Sharia Law, but MOSTLY about the budget.


And they insist that you cut taxes, to destroy that budget.
 
2014-06-25 01:08:57 PM  

Notabunny: fta People want to say that they're crazy, and they're really not. They want to maintain their social position, their social prestige;

'Bagger Pride

[img.photobucket.com image 549x412]


The Hang Loose hand is especially ironic.
 
2014-06-25 01:13:39 PM  

FlashHarry: um, they needed a study to confirm this?


In fairness, the movement seems so unrealistically dumb that most of their members behave in ways that is almost literally sub-human.  The internal logical contradictions alone would drive any normal person with basic ethics and average intelligence completely raving mad, but they're not sacrificing babies to Hastur or anything.

So... makes sense that that would send up a red flag that we might be missing something.  It's worth a study to verify that yes, they actually genuinely are that stupid and terrible rather than us just misinterpreting something.  Poe's law study, basically.
 
2014-06-25 01:14:36 PM  

Zerochance: NeverDrunk23: Which is why sitting out elections ends up supporting the right.

Which is precisely why I ultimately found the OWS movement to be completely full of shiat.  It was a bunch of reactionary bullshiat from liberals that failed to realize the reason business-friendly Tea Party plutocrats took over Congress is because they FAILED to vote in the mid-terms.  The youth vote - no small percentage of what got Obama elected in the first place - dropped by 60%.  They fell asleep at the wheel, allowed a GOP take over of Congress, then started banging bongos about it without acknowledging they allowed for it to happen.


OWS started a year after the midterm elections. And the reason the Tea Party candidates did so well is because they were pissed about the exact same thing OWS was all about (and what many people were pissed about as well).  Also, they were well funded and well organized (unlike OWS, which isn't a political party anyway, just disenfranchised people).
 
2014-06-25 01:19:20 PM  
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Why would anyone think Tea Baggers are racist?
 
2014-06-25 01:22:57 PM  

Zerochance: theknuckler_33:

Why do people feel the need to give these nuts legitimacy by using terms like "reactionary conservatives" instead of calling them what they are... right-wing radicals?

The legitimacy you're speaking of is not a matter of semantics; it stems from the fact that party leaders  - like say, the Governor of Louisiana - are telling these folks that they are RIGHT to want to rise up in arms because the Libruls are out to get them.


Yea, I wasn't just referring to the nameless masses. They need to be called out as radicals whether they are the rubes at rallies or the 'leaders' of various groups or elected officials. Jindall, Cruz, Goehmert, etc.
 
2014-06-25 01:29:19 PM  
I find it humorous that the Tea Party see themselves as the true patriots.  The Tea Party of today would have been the Loyalists during the American revolution.  Those that remained loyal to the King.  No way would they have supported radical change like the American revolution.
 
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