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(Anchorage Daily News)   Got any spare change? I need to pay this $200 panhandling fine   (adn.com) divider line 14
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2014-06-25 02:18:53 PM  
3 votes:

timujin: Don't these sorts of things usually get slapped down as 1st Amendment violations?


Perhaps, but they also gave us Sarah Palin so they assume they can get away with anything.
2014-06-25 05:40:59 PM  
2 votes:

Ego edo infantia cattus: htomc: Gaseous Anomaly: The cheapest way to deal with homeless dudes is to give them a place to live. (srsly)

Nope, seen it tried.  A friend gave a homeless person a job and a room in his boarding house during the worst of the winter.  It actually looked like it was working out, until the weather broke and spring came- then that HP was right back out under the bridge boozing it up with the rest.

They don't care about having a home.  All they really care about is their need-of-the-moment to get them from one bottle to the next.


I'm amazed that you could derive such worldly wisdom from a single experience your friend had. Knowing that they don't care about being homeless really takes a load of civic and social responsibility off my shoulders. Thanks guy.


They are the legacy of Reagan's destruction of the social safety net.
2014-06-25 03:45:03 PM  
2 votes:
This kind of law has been passed all over California, one city and county at a time. The homeless get a ticket, which they can't pay, which puts them in the long-term incarceration system. Poverty may become the new drug war, the new pool of prisoners for the growing prison industry. Since marijuana use is increasingly tolerated we'll need another subset to incarcerate for profit and power.

/ Prison State Industries Co.
2014-06-25 03:43:09 PM  
2 votes:

homelessdude: oh well there ya go...problem solved in the land of palin.

now, I wonder what the cost will be to AK taxpayers to jail all the scofflaws (because all sorts of extra charges always get tacked on) for not only their sentences, but the time spent waiting in jail for their trial because they could not make bail?

you betcha!


The cheapest way to deal with homeless dudes is to give them a place to live. (srsly)
2014-06-25 03:21:48 PM  
2 votes:

StopLurkListen: Are panhandlers homeless? In Alaska? How is that even possible ...do they migrate in the winter? And doesn't the Alaska Permanent Fund pay everyone in the state?

I've never been to Alaska or spent much time in any northern non-city, I've never seen panhandlers outside of cities in temperate climates. That's not saying they don't exist, I just have an empirical correlation to homeless panhandlers and outdoor environments that are compatible with human survival.



My mother was homeless up there for a few years. She survived -700 with a tent inside of an abandoned building, two down comforters and a few candles. She was tough as nails.

I'd bet my left nut that the people who wrote this ordinance were Evangelical Christians. There's a lot of them up there, both in politics and the air force, and none of them are very Christ like.

/A lot of homeless people in Alaska commit minor crimes in the fall to get a cot and three squares throughout winter.
//Sad, but true.
2014-06-25 07:52:17 PM  
1 votes:

timujin: Don't these sorts of things usually get slapped down as 1st Amendment violations?


Arizona's anti-panhandling law was overturned by a Federal court as a First Amendment violation, the state even conceded that panhandling was a free speech right.  It's not the first time anti-panhandling laws have been struck down, this one probably will get axed too.
2014-06-25 05:58:59 PM  
1 votes:

Mouser: timujin: Don't these sorts of things usually get slapped down as 1st Amendment violations?

Where in the 1st Amendment does it say you have a right to hit me up for spare change?


I have the right to speak, you have the right to ignore me.  You not liking what I have to say doesn't take away that right, any more than I can take away the right to speak of those people that stand on a corner and ask if I've found god.

/didn't realize he was missing, perhaps they should try putting his picture on a milk bottle
2014-06-25 05:56:38 PM  
1 votes:

Mouser: timujin: Don't these sorts of things usually get slapped down as 1st Amendment violations?

Where in the 1st Amendment does it say you have a right to hit me up for spare change?


I have a 1st Amendment right to say anything I like as long as it isn't a threat or something that endangers the public ("fire" in a crowded movie theater, etc.)

You have a 1st Amendment right to tell me to fark off when I ask you for spare change.

America! It's cool.
2014-06-25 04:29:46 PM  
1 votes:

htomc: Nope, seen it tried. A friend gave a homeless person a job and a room in his boarding house during the worst of the winter. It actually looked like it was working out, until the weather broke and spring came- then that HP was right back out under the bridge boozing it up with the rest.

They don't care about having a home. All they really care about is their need-of-the-moment to get them from one bottle to the next.


It really depends on the person.  A lot of homeless do suffer from substance and mental health issues, but not all do.  Some of them are escaping domestic abuse.  Others lost their job and have no assets.
2014-06-25 03:58:26 PM  
1 votes:
There's some cognitive dissonance that you have to put up with living in a country where people who have trouble paying for things have to pay additional penalty fees (late payments, bank account fees, etc.), while people who have plenty of money get even more money (bonus cash for large investments, waived account fees, etc.).

And then there's this brilliant law.
2014-06-25 03:37:28 PM  
1 votes:
Spare change? SPARE CHANGE? WHAT THE HELL IS SPARE CHANGE?
2014-06-25 03:18:13 PM  
1 votes:
They can see Russian panhandlers from their tent.
2014-06-25 03:06:56 PM  
1 votes:
oh well there ya go...problem solved in the land of palin.

now, I wonder what the cost will be to AK taxpayers to jail all the scofflaws (because all sorts of extra charges always get tacked on) for not only their sentences, but the time spent waiting in jail for their trial because they could not make bail?

you betcha!
2014-06-25 02:57:25 PM  
1 votes:
Are panhandlers homeless? In Alaska? How is that even possible ...do they migrate in the winter? And doesn't the Alaska Permanent Fund pay everyone in the state?

I've never been to Alaska or spent much time in any northern non-city, I've never seen panhandlers outside of cities in temperate climates. That's not saying they don't exist, I just have an empirical correlation to homeless panhandlers and outdoor environments that are compatible with human survival.
 
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