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(SC Now)   "Yes ma'am, we've just taken all the clothes off the mayor. He's naked." Police chief fired for being a lesbian reinstated after a referendum that passed 328-147   (scnow.com) divider line 33
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2014-06-25 10:51:15 AM
7 votes:
Took a few links ...

In a recorded telephone conservation with Taylor that made its way to several media outlets last week, [Mayor] Bullard said, "I would much rather have - and I will say this to anybody's face - somebody who drank and drank too much taking care of my child than I had somebody whose lifestyle is questionable around children. ... I'm not going to let two women stand up there and hold hands and let my child be aware of it. And I'm not going to see them do it with two men neither."

The mayor has said [Police Chief] Moore's sexual orientation had nothing to do with her firing, but Taylor said he doesn't believe that.


People do know that we record things in this society, right?

But even if Bullard did fire Moore because of her sexual orientation, he'd legally be within his rights.

In 29 states, including South Carolina, it is legal for employers to fire workers based on their sexual orientation.


Who says gays need rights in this country?
2014-06-25 01:19:22 PM
6 votes:
This is kind of a demonstration of how bigotry works, and one of the main reasons why Democrats win in urban areas and Republicans win in rural areas.

People in rural areas and small towns usually never know anybody who isn't almost exactly like them.  They don't personally know any gays/blacks/Mexicans/Jews/Muslims/whatever.  So, such people are scary foreigners.

People in urban areas, by contrast, probably have at least one of each of the above living in the same building as they do.

But this woman wasn't a "scary outsider lesbian"; she'd been in the town forever.  So, when she was forced out, they rebelled.

The two other reasons for this urban/rural Republican/Democratic divide are the size of government (people in urban areas "touch" government a lot (public transit for instance); people in rural areas, well, don't) and gun rights (guns in urban areas means drug dealers and gang bangers shooting up the place; guns in rural areas means a tool for hunting and protecting livestock from predators and for target shooting).
2014-06-25 11:04:55 AM
5 votes:
This story was so fascinating to me. I'm 47 and I honestly never expected this kind of progress in my lifetime. It's incredibly heartwarming and it's nice to be proven wrong in this way.

I'm so happy for the chief and for the residents of that town.

Nadie_AZ: Who says gays need rights in this country?


I wouldn't be surprised to see federal protection sometime in the near future. Maybe by 2020?
2014-06-25 10:58:01 AM
5 votes:
As a SC resident, I posted in our neighborhood group for Primary run-off day that voting in these small-turnout events is like a BOGO event for your votes... important seats can be determined by a margin of just a few hundred votes.  1100 votes separated the candidates in our county supervisor race, something that could have been swung by our neighborhood alone (let's just say the GOP nominee doesn't have much to worry about in the general election).

So whomever wanted to get Chief Moore back on the job and pants the mayor was pretty freaking savvy to get it on this run-off ballot.
2014-06-25 01:36:20 PM
3 votes:

realmolo: The city council should now vote to remove this guy from office.

Then, they should beat the shiat out of him.


They can remove him anytime they want since he's straight. Sexual orientation isn't a protected class.
2014-06-25 01:08:01 PM
3 votes:
I would much rather have - and I will say this to anybody's face - somebody who drank and drank too much taking care of my child than I had somebody whose lifestyle is questionable around children

You don't think alcoholism is a questionable lifestyle for someone expected to take care of children?
2014-06-25 03:56:08 PM
2 votes:

ginandbacon: special20: ginandbacon: This story was so fascinating to me. I'm 47 and I honestly never expected this kind of progress in my lifetime. It's incredibly heartwarming and it's nice to be proven wrong in this way.

I'm so happy for the chief and for the residents of that town.

Nadie_AZ: Who says gays need rights in this country?

I wouldn't be surprised to see federal protection sometime in the near future. Maybe by 2020?

It's a perfect vision, iz nit?

I'm not too sure what you mean by that...I can't see the House changing enough before at least 2018 so maybe 2020. Americans are way ahead of Congress, but you couldn't even get these idiots to pass the Lilly Ledbetter Act or the Farm Bill. What hope is there for expanding rights with this pack of assholes? As for individual states--great. Unless you happen to live in one of the many that consider civil rights an infringement on the lives of evangelical Christians. So federal protection is the only realistic protection for those most likely to experience discrimination.


The best we can hope for is that the "Compromise=Surrender" Teahadists finally get fed up with the "moderate" Republicans and split off to form a third party by 2020. The split in funds is already hurting the GOP with the Senate Conservative Fund and Club for Growth spending on anti-incumbent challenges and the Chamber of Commerce of the GOP HQ having to throw even more cash to keep their people in office or to fight off the crazies propped up by the "true conservatives" in open primaries/elections.

In an ideal world we'd head for a 5 party system with the Tea Party and GOP holding up the right wing, a progressive/democratic socialist party and the DNC holding up an actual left wing, and fiscal and social moderates making up a 5th centrist party.  Sadly however that will never happen.

The GOP and DNC have too much invested in moving to the right despite the fact that much of the electorate doesn't really like being rubbed that way anymore. The DNC however, because its at least "more left" than the GOP has a lock on appealing to most progressives as the only rational choice and fiscal moderate anything has gone right out the door along with any rational discussion about taxation and business regulation in this country. The only two options left in American politics regarding the latter are either tax and spend everything wherever or tax nothing and spend nothing.

Unfortunately the second best we can hope for now is that when our political system does finally completely collapse people will finally be so scared at watching the Federal government cease to function at all, that the special interests and diehards from both sides will be locked outside the room while the adults fix what should have never become so broken in the first place.
2014-06-25 01:46:11 PM
2 votes:

Geotpf: This is kind of a demonstration of how bigotry works, and one of the main reasons why Democrats win in urban areas and Republicans win in rural areas.

People in rural areas and small towns usually never know anybody who isn't almost exactly like them.  They don't personally know any gays/blacks/Mexicans/Jews/Muslims/whatever.  So, such people are scary foreigners.

People in urban areas, by contrast, probably have at least one of each of the above living in the same building as they do.

But this woman wasn't a "scary outsider lesbian"; she'd been in the town forever.  So, when she was forced out, they rebelled.

The two other reasons for this urban/rural Republican/Democratic divide are the size of government (people in urban areas "touch" government a lot (public transit for instance); people in rural areas, well, don't) and gun rights (guns in urban areas means drug dealers and gang bangers shooting up the place; guns in rural areas means a tool for hunting and protecting livestock from predators and for target shooting).


Um... How does one say this.. Latta, SC is a rural burg, with an area of one square mile and a population of 1,400 people. It is solid Red Territory. And yet... You don't know as much about small-town America as you should. Unlike what we see on TV, these communities tend to be very close-knitt. Everyone knows who is gay and, except for a few hold-outs, they don't really much care. Latta just proved that community trumps political ideology.

BTW, there are large and very rural districts in my state which are solidly Democrat and their citizens won't even consider voting for a Republican. Even the state's Republican legislatures attempts to gerrymander the state so that it is completely red have not helped.
2014-06-25 01:29:35 PM
2 votes:
Serious Black:

Yeah, I had heard about her getting fired and her being gay before now. I'm just baffled that he would go to such great lengths to get rid of a lesbian who had clearly shown that she was competent at her job. I really have no idea what the town should do now. Firing the new chief just because they want to rehire the old one would be pretty petty and would hurt him and his family after doing nothing wrong.

The Town council should terminate the contract. He doesn't start until July 1.  Don't forget that he had to have known that the town council was voting and, if they won, would reinstate the old chief.

He inserted himself into a situation that was in the works to correct someone else's wrongs, he can wait his turn to get his situation corrected.
2014-06-25 01:18:02 PM
2 votes:

wxboy: Caveat:  The police chief didn't automatically get her job back.  Apparently the referendum was about transferring hire/fire authority to the council from the mayor, and apparently doesn't take effect immediately, since:

http://gawker.com/s-c-voters-strip-mayor-of-power-for-firing-popular -g ay-1595876287

Mayor Bullard made another unilateral move Wednesday morning to foul up the council's plans: He announced the hiring of a new police chief on a two-year contract, starting July 1. The not-yet-strong council is now considering how it will fight the not-yet-weak mayor.


I think it will end up coming down to "We know you were just hired by our batshiat bigoted mayor, but I hope you understand that any decisions he has made become void after the referendum becomes official. Thank you for your time."
2014-06-25 01:00:05 PM
2 votes:
2014-06-25 12:54:00 PM
2 votes:

Nadie_AZ: Took a few links ...

In a recorded telephone conservation with Taylor that made its way to several media outlets last week, [Mayor] Bullard said, "I would much rather have - and I will say this to anybody's face - somebody who drank and drank too much taking care of my child than I had somebody whose lifestyle is questionable around children. ... I'm not going to let two women stand up there and hold hands and let my child be aware of it. And I'm not going to see them do it with two men neither."

The mayor has said [Police Chief] Moore's sexual orientation had nothing to do with her firing, but Taylor said he doesn't believe that.

People do know that we record things in this society, right?

But even if Bullard did fire Moore because of her sexual orientation, he'd legally be within his rights.

In 29 states, including South Carolina, it is legal for employers to fire workers based on their sexual orientation.

Who says gays need rights in this country?


Oh - haven't you heard?  Gays already have rights.  There's no need for people to challenge these isolated incidents.  The Gay Rights cause is already won and gays need to STFU about it.

/This is what some Farkers actually believe
2014-06-26 01:02:45 PM
1 votes:

Serious Black: Furthermore, a clause in the contract stipulates that "If the town of Latta changes the form of government and another person is hired or selected as police chief, the employee as named in this contract shall be entitled to continued employment at the contracted rate of compensation (with applicable increases) for the term of this contract and for as long as the employee's job performance is satisfactory."


A soon-to-be-ousted public official trying to unilaterally make a legally binding document that limits what the successor government can do?  There must be something fishy about that.  Especially trying to make a contract that entitles the new guy to continued employment beyond the term of the contract.  I have never heard of an employment contract like that.

At this point, the town should just pay the new guy $80,000 to go away, the new guy should just take it, and the town should see if they can fine the soon-to-be-ex mayor for some sort of misconduct in making such a contract.
2014-06-25 06:21:12 PM
1 votes:
Create a new position above the police chief, stick her in it.  Dock the mayor's pay in order to pay for it.

Ta daaa.
2014-06-25 02:06:19 PM
1 votes:

Serious Black: Dinobot: Serious Black: wxboy: Caveat:  The police chief didn't automatically get her job back.  Apparently the referendum was about transferring hire/fire authority to the council from the mayor, and apparently doesn't take effect immediately, since:

http://gawker.com/s-c-voters-strip-mayor-of-power-for-firing-popular -g ay-1595876287

Mayor Bullard made another unilateral move Wednesday morning to foul up the council's plans: He announced the hiring of a new police chief on a two-year contract, starting July 1. The not-yet-strong council is now considering how it will fight the not-yet-weak mayor.

Jesus titty-farking Christ. What the hell is his problem with this lady?

He hates lesbians. He made it clear before.

Yeah, I had heard about her getting fired and her being gay before now. I'm just baffled that he would go to such great lengths to get rid of a lesbian who had clearly shown that she was competent at her job. I really have no idea what the town should do now. Firing the new chief just because they want to rehire the old one would be pretty petty and would hurt him and his family after doing nothing wrong.


She could run for mayor against him...
2014-06-25 01:49:28 PM
1 votes:

Stile4aly: Mein Fuhrer I Can Walk: wxboy: Caveat:  The police chief didn't automatically get her job back.  Apparently the referendum was about transferring hire/fire authority to the council from the mayor, and apparently doesn't take effect immediately, since:

http://gawker.com/s-c-voters-strip-mayor-of-power-for-firing-popular -g ay-1595876287

Mayor Bullard made another unilateral move Wednesday morning to foul up the council's plans: He announced the hiring of a new police chief on a two-year contract, starting July 1. The not-yet-strong council is now considering how it will fight the not-yet-weak mayor.

I think it will end up coming down to "We know you were just hired by our batshiat bigoted mayor, but I hope you understand that any decisions he has made become void after the referendum becomes official. Thank you for your time."

If the contract was legally executed.  It's going to be tough to nullify.


they can cancel it, but it would likely require the new guy being bought out of the remainder of the contract. Which, I suspect is what the mayor had in mind all along, a big pay day for a crony and a fark you to voters
2014-06-25 01:47:24 PM
1 votes:

Delta1212: I would much rather have - and I will say this to anybody's face - somebody who drank and drank too much taking care of my child than I had somebody whose lifestyle is questionable around children

You don't think alcoholism is a questionable lifestyle for someone expected to take care of children?


To be fair, he's probably a drunken pederast.
2014-06-25 01:43:29 PM
1 votes:

Arcturus72: And if this guy who was hired doesn't know about the controversy, I'm sure someone can enlighten them about it... Besides, he doesn't really have the job until he takes the job, and, contract or no, you'd be surprised how fast a contract can be destroyed based on something mutually beneficial to all parties... He could accept it, then claim medical reasons as to why he won't be able to fill the position (allergic to assholes) or any number of other reasons... Doesn't mean he has to do this, just saying there could still be an out to this, besides the closet for the former chief...



Unless he's already acted in reliance upon the executed employment contract (e.g. he resigned from his previous job and/or relocated to the area for his new job).
2014-06-25 01:28:06 PM
1 votes:

Wyalt Derp: So by tightening his grip, he caused all his power to slip through his fingers? Excellent.


It is a well-known fact that if you cling too tightly, you're gonna lose control. Many experts advocate holding on loosely (but not letting go).
2014-06-25 01:25:35 PM
1 votes:

wxboy: Caveat:  The police chief didn't automatically get her job back.  Apparently the referendum was about transferring hire/fire authority to the council from the mayor, and apparently doesn't take effect immediately, since:

http://gawker.com/s-c-voters-strip-mayor-of-power-for-firing-popular -g ay-1595876287

Mayor Bullard made another unilateral move Wednesday morning to foul up the council's plans: He announced the hiring of a new police chief on a two-year contract, starting July 1. The not-yet-strong council is now considering how it will fight the not-yet-weak mayor


fark this guy in the earhole... and by that I mean, I hope someone takes him aside and educates him that being drunk is a bigger determent to the safety of his child then two independent women kissing.
2014-06-25 01:21:27 PM
1 votes:

ginandbacon: This story was so fascinating to me. I'm 47 and I honestly never expected this kind of progress in my lifetime. It's incredibly heartwarming and it's nice to be proven wrong in this way.

I'm so happy for the chief and for the residents of that town.

Nadie_AZ: Who says gays need rights in this country?

I wouldn't be surprised to see federal protection sometime in the near future. Maybe by 2020?


ENDA  has already passed the US senate,  Boehner of course refuses to bring it up in the house,  so pretty much things like that are going to have to wait until we figure out how to end Gerrymandering once and for all  so Reps have to again worry about that their constituents actually want.
2014-06-25 01:20:39 PM
1 votes:

wxboy: Caveat:  The police chief didn't automatically get her job back.  Apparently the referendum was about transferring hire/fire authority to the council from the mayor, and apparently doesn't take effect immediately, since:

http://gawker.com/s-c-voters-strip-mayor-of-power-for-firing-popular -g ay-1595876287

Mayor Bullard made another unilateral move Wednesday morning to foul up the council's plans: He announced the hiring of a new police chief on a two-year contract, starting July 1. The not-yet-strong council is now considering how it will fight the not-yet-weak mayor.


What are you trying to say, that a mayor who pulled a dick move to assert his manhood pulls yet another dick move in order to try and pull the rug out from under the council who tried to trump his last dick move...

Say it ain't so...

And if this guy who was hired doesn't know about the controversy, I'm sure someone can enlighten them about it... Besides, he doesn't really have the job until he takes the job, and, contract or no, you'd be surprised how fast a contract can be destroyed based on something mutually beneficial to all parties... He could accept it, then claim medical reasons as to why he won't be able to fill the position (allergic to assholes) or any number of other reasons... Doesn't mean he has to do this, just saying there could still be an out to this, besides the closet for the former chief...
2014-06-25 01:19:06 PM
1 votes:

wxboy: Caveat:  The police chief didn't automatically get her job back.  Apparently the referendum was about transferring hire/fire authority to the council from the mayor, and apparently doesn't take effect immediately, since:

http://gawker.com/s-c-voters-strip-mayor-of-power-for-firing-popular -g ay-1595876287

Mayor Bullard made another unilateral move Wednesday morning to foul up the council's plans: He announced the hiring of a new police chief on a two-year contract, starting July 1. The not-yet-strong council is now considering how it will fight the not-yet-weak mayor.


Contracts are some death pact that can't be amended or cancelled.

The new chief will have a hell of a time in that position given these events, and should be strongly encouraged to resign given that he just can't seem to address the low morale issue under his short tenure.
2014-06-25 01:18:48 PM
1 votes:
So by tightening his grip, he caused all his power to slip through his fingers? Excellent.
2014-06-25 01:17:23 PM
1 votes:

Dinobot: Serious Black: wxboy: Caveat:  The police chief didn't automatically get her job back.  Apparently the referendum was about transferring hire/fire authority to the council from the mayor, and apparently doesn't take effect immediately, since:

http://gawker.com/s-c-voters-strip-mayor-of-power-for-firing-popular -g ay-1595876287

Mayor Bullard made another unilateral move Wednesday morning to foul up the council's plans: He announced the hiring of a new police chief on a two-year contract, starting July 1. The not-yet-strong council is now considering how it will fight the not-yet-weak mayor.

Jesus titty-farking Christ. What the hell is his problem with this lady?

He hates lesbians. He made it clear before.


Yeah, I had heard about her getting fired and her being gay before now. I'm just baffled that he would go to such great lengths to get rid of a lesbian who had clearly shown that she was competent at her job. I really have no idea what the town should do now. Firing the new chief just because they want to rehire the old one would be pretty petty and would hurt him and his family after doing nothing wrong.
2014-06-25 01:13:18 PM
1 votes:

Nadie_AZ: Took a few links ...

In a recorded telephone conservation with Taylor that made its way to several media outlets last week, [Mayor] Bullard said, "I would much rather have - and I will say this to anybody's face - somebody who drank and drank too much taking care of my child than I had somebody whose lifestyle is questionable around children. ... I'm not going to let two women stand up there and hold hands and let my child be aware of it. And I'm not going to see them do it with two men neither."

The mayor has said [Police Chief] Moore's sexual orientation had nothing to do with her firing, but Taylor said he doesn't believe that.

People do know that we record things in this society, right?

But even if Bullard did fire Moore because of her sexual orientation, he'd legally be within his rights.



There's a certain threshold most people cross when they get power that makes them believe the rules of society, even basic ones like , don't apply to them. The intelligence of the person generally has an inverse relationship to the level of power they reach before they begin to believe this.

/to keep things fair and balanced, see also: Anthony Weiner
2014-06-25 01:12:33 PM
1 votes:
At least it was a good turnout with a Latta voters.
2014-06-25 01:10:57 PM
1 votes:

Serious Black: wxboy: Caveat:  The police chief didn't automatically get her job back.  Apparently the referendum was about transferring hire/fire authority to the council from the mayor, and apparently doesn't take effect immediately, since:

http://gawker.com/s-c-voters-strip-mayor-of-power-for-firing-popular -g ay-1595876287

Mayor Bullard made another unilateral move Wednesday morning to foul up the council's plans: He announced the hiring of a new police chief on a two-year contract, starting July 1. The not-yet-strong council is now considering how it will fight the not-yet-weak mayor.

Jesus titty-farking Christ. What the hell is his problem with this lady?


He hates lesbians. He made it clear before.
2014-06-25 01:09:35 PM
1 votes:
Actually, The Mayor just hired a different Police Chief in order to override the council

http://www.carolinalive.com/news/story.aspx?id=1062228

Latta Mayor Earl Bullard says he's hired Freddie Davis as the new police chief of Latta, after firing the previous chief, Crystal Moore, on April 15.
The announcement about Davis' hiring comes one day after voters approved a referendum Tuesday to change the town's form of government giving council more power than the mayor.

Davis was hired one week before the referendum, around June 18, and the contract was signed on June 23, Bullard said.
Bullard said he interviewed seven candidates for the position since Moore's termination.

Crystal Moore was very emotional as she told us today she feels as if she's been fired again.

"I have went from being a ecstatic, overwhelmed, not able to speak to crushed again. Once again the citizens came out and did what was necessary. He said he would do what the citizens wanted what. They came out and they spoke. They supported the yes vote," said Moore.
She said she believes Bullard hired Davis to retaliate against the town for changing the form of government.

Bullard said he didn't hire Bullard for his own selfish reasons, but felt he was the most qualified for the position and that it was time for the town of Latta to move forward.
2014-06-25 01:08:44 PM
1 votes:
Caveat:  The police chief didn't automatically get her job back.  Apparently the referendum was about transferring hire/fire authority to the council from the mayor, and apparently doesn't take effect immediately, since:

http://gawker.com/s-c-voters-strip-mayor-of-power-for-firing-popular -g ay-1595876287

Mayor Bullard made another unilateral move Wednesday morning to foul up the council's plans: He announced the hiring of a new police chief on a two-year contract, starting July 1. The not-yet-strong council is now considering how it will fight the not-yet-weak mayor.
2014-06-25 01:06:10 PM
1 votes:
The last two days have been just dreadful for people who existentially fear the apocalyptic collapse of civilization. First this, then Indiana and the Tenth Circuit shove a bunch of same-sex couples' marriage certificates down people's throats?
2014-06-25 11:23:33 AM
1 votes:

factoryconnection: As a SC resident, I posted in our neighborhood group for Primary run-off day that voting in these small-turnout events is like a BOGO event for your votes... important seats can be determined by a margin of just a few hundred votes.  1100 votes separated the candidates in our county supervisor race, something that could have been swung by our neighborhood alone (let's just say the GOP nominee doesn't have much to worry about in the general election).

So whomever wanted to get Chief Moore back on the job and pants the mayor was pretty freaking savvy to get it on this run-off ballot.


It's the anti-Amendment One in NC, which passed during a heavily competed GOP primary.

See, you can overthrow the government.
2014-06-25 11:12:34 AM
1 votes:
Another day, another attack in the War on Christianity in 0bama' s Amerika.
 
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