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(Washington Post)   Problem: Nags Head, N.C. government environmental study predicts that their region will be 39 inches underwater by 2100. Solution: Make it illegal for environmental studies to look more than 30 years ahead. Taa-Daa, problem solved   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 160
    More: Asinine, Outer Banks, climate change, North Carolina Republicans, Nags Head, Dare County, economic impact, human settlement, independent review  
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2014-06-25 10:04:02 AM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Brilliant.
 
2014-06-25 10:10:53 AM
That seems shortsighted.
 
2014-06-25 10:12:33 AM
...persuade North Carolina's Republican-controlled legislature to deep-six the 39-inch projection...

Not a real challenging lobbying task there.
 
2014-06-25 10:54:13 AM
There certainly is issue in long-term climate prediction, but limiting scientists seems like a foolish way to allay fears
 
2014-06-25 11:56:07 AM

MrBallou: ...persuade North Carolina's Republican-controlled legislature to deep-six the 39-inch projection...

Not a real challenging lobbying task there.


That sounds like an activity for a convention.
 
2014-06-25 12:11:19 PM
 Now, the state is working on a new forecast that will look only 30 years out and therefore show the seas rising by no more than eight inches.

Thus solving the problem once and for all.
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2014-06-25 12:19:27 PM
"They realize this is going to have a huge impact on the coastal economy and coastal development interests. And, at this point, we don't actually know what we're going to do about it."

Oh, I know what we're going to do about it: nothing. Nothing that would actually make a real difference. These peoples' homes are doomed. Get used to it.
 
2014-06-25 12:37:54 PM
I guess this is just the political version of: if you aren't ready to hear the answer, don't ask the question.
 
2014-06-25 12:51:35 PM
Ironically this will only affect rich people aka the GOP. Poor people can't afford to live at the beach. Have fun watching your beach houses wash away.
 
2014-06-25 12:56:49 PM
100 year projection is retarded in and of itself. Modeling has proven deficient as actual temperatures have remained steadily on the lower 2-sigma bounds of projections.
 
2014-06-25 12:57:13 PM

Walker: Ironically this will only affect rich people aka the GOP. Poor people can't afford to live at the beach. Have fun watching your beach houses wash away.


Followed by incessant whining of "Why didn't the government do something to stop this?"
 
2014-06-25 12:57:32 PM

Walker: Ironically this will only affect rich people aka the GOP. Poor people can't afford to live at the beach. Have fun watching your beach houses wash away.


Lol.

They're gonna get federal funds to shore up the shoreline and protect their investments.
 
2014-06-25 12:57:42 PM

Walker: Ironically this will only affect rich people aka the GOP. Poor people can't afford to live at the beach. Have fun watching your beach houses wash away.


... and get rebuilt using the subsidized federal flood insurance program and outright disaster grants.
 
2014-06-25 12:57:54 PM
Click on NC for more details. Link
 
2014-06-25 12:58:00 PM

Walker: Ironically this will only affect rich people aka the GOP. Poor people can't afford to live at the beach. Have fun watching your beach houses wash away.


Is this some type of new retarded talking point from the left? Hillary was broke. There are no billionaires on the left. Etc.
 
2014-06-25 12:58:01 PM
Let 'em wash away with the tide then.

Maybe God will turn their Bibles into rafts.
 
2014-06-25 12:58:48 PM

Walker: Ironically this will only affect rich people aka the GOP. Poor people can't afford to live at the beach. Have fun watching your beach houses wash away.


Yes, and the fun part is the people who don't believe the study are quietly planning to dump their houses on other dumb rich people just as soon as that study they don't believe disappears.
 
2014-06-25 01:00:02 PM

Lando Lincoln: "They realize this is going to have a huge impact on the coastal economy and coastal development interests. And, at this point, we don't actually know what we're going to do about it."

Oh, I know what we're going to do about it: nothing. Nothing that would actually make a real difference. These peoples' homes are doomed. Get used to it.


We won't do a think to help the people who lose their homes.  The developers who lose their high rise condos and resorts will get a bailout.
 
2014-06-25 01:01:04 PM
Rich folk problems.  I'll help you out, gimme your house for say 10K, I'll move in for the rest of my life and enjoy living on the ocean while it lasts.  It sure beats my roach filled apartment full of malt-liquor bottles, junkies and felons.   It's nice for a week after the police do their sweep though.
 
2014-06-25 01:01:35 PM
Time to but ocean front property in West Virginia
 
2014-06-25 01:01:46 PM
Thanks OBAMA


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2014-06-25 01:02:53 PM

Walker: Ironically this will only affect rich people aka the GOP. Poor people can't afford to live at the beach. Have fun watching your beach houses wash away.



And I wonder whether they'll demand compensation from the government when that happens?
 
2014-06-25 01:05:09 PM

Walker: Ironically this will only affect rich people aka the GOP.


This may be true for NC specifically, but overall, climate change will impact and hurt the poor the hardest.

Link

Link
 
2014-06-25 01:05:26 PM

MrBallou: ...persuade North Carolina's Republican-controlled legislature to deep-six the 39-inch projection...

Not a real challenging lobbying task there.


Get Republicans to stop projecting?

Impossi-

Oh wait, get Republicans to trash science. That's easy.
 
2014-06-25 01:05:26 PM
img.fark.net
 
2014-06-25 01:05:30 PM
You guys are just mad because you didn't think of it first, neener neener.
 
2014-06-25 01:06:06 PM
Hey guys, it's time to leave your small expensive homes in LA and move to beautiful Toledo, Ohio where houses are large and cheap. I predict absolutely perfect beautiful weather for at least the next 15 minutes!
 
2014-06-25 01:06:56 PM
Know what grinds my gears?
All the farking OBX ovals on Subarus in my state of Vermont here.
Yeah, I used to drive down every other year and spend a ton of money before I decided to vote with my wallet and not give SC another farking dime I earned.
But you would think these bleeding heart hippie dippy shiats up here with their farking yoga mats, and their hotty totty lattes would smarten up and put their money where their mouths are.
I see one of those, and I think Hippie-crit.
 
2014-06-25 01:07:29 PM
If you want to buy a beach house, it is not an unreasonable recommendation to review the structure, related infrastructure, etc. against whatever sea level rise estimates you wish as part of your due diligence.

Unfortunately, while I'd like to this that this law was just to protect developers and sellers against lawsuits from subsequent flood damage (which isn't necessarily a terrible thing), I think the downside is going to be that all the public infrastructure is going to also be built to insufficient standards.  That's the true crime.
 
2014-06-25 01:07:30 PM
This seems like a great opportunity for smart people to make a lot of money in real estate. Houses on the beach sell for a premium but the threat of rising sea levels will make the value of those properties plummet. A savvy investor that truly understands that climate change is impossible should be able to make a killing in real estate by buying up undervalued beachfront homes being sold by global warming alarmists and then selling them at a premium once global warming has been debunked as a hoax. This is a win-win situation. Global warming fear mongers with beachfront property will take a financial bath while the smart investor will be able to make a fortune. I see nothing bad that could possibly happen in this scenario.
 
2014-06-25 01:08:11 PM

Walker: Ironically this will only affect rich people aka the GOP. Poor people can't afford to live at the beach. Have fun watching your beach houses wash away.


Troll fishing, I see.  Plenty of Democrats can afford homes "down by the sea".  John Corzine, John Kerry, Nancy Pelosi, $heit, Al Gore could by and sell me a couple hundred thousand times.  So cut the class warfare/political party line crap.

FTR, I think both sides suck a lemon, and spoon feed us this "party of (insert here)" crap so we don't watch them robbing us blind.

Ohhh,. look at the shiny metal thing over here.  Derptroll....
 
2014-06-25 01:09:07 PM

WI241TH: Now, the state is working on a new forecast that will look only 30 years out and therefore show the seas rising by no more than eight inches.

Thus solving the problem once and for all.
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2014-06-25 01:10:37 PM
That would actually be a perfectly sensible plan if it were reasonable to believe that you could take the steps necessary to protect the islands in three stages of thirty-three years each so that any single step is only 1/3 of the whole and you can stop at a later stage to save some money if the longer range work becomes unnecessary.

Somehow, that seems unlikely to me. Even ignoring that the whole thing is basically just an attempt by homeowners worried about their property values to bury their heads in the sand long enough to foist their potentially doomed houses on some unsuspecting nitwit, how do you really plan in 30 year increments and wind up with a 100 year solution?

Seems like the much more intelligent thing to do would be to have BOTH the short and long range plans and do risk and cost-benefit analyses on each to decide whether or not your community thinks it needs to plan long range or short term.
 
2014-06-25 01:11:26 PM
The Nags Head beach was pretty thoroughly replenished about 4 years ago. Since then most parts of the beach have retreated/eroded about 60' or so. If it continues it should be at a pre-replenished condition in about 3 more years.

Parts of Kitty Hawk have practically NO beach, BTW.

Add this natural erosion & retreat to the west to rising water levels and you've got some nice, new beach front property...on the Rt.12 road.

Too bad so much rain today or I'd be at the beach - not typing this on Fark.
 
2014-06-25 01:12:06 PM

red230: This seems like a great opportunity for smart people to make a lot of money in real estate. Houses on the beach sell for a premium but the threat of rising sea levels will make the value of those properties plummet. A savvy investor that truly understands that climate change is impossible should be able to make a killing in real estate by buying up undervalued beachfront homes being sold by global warming alarmists and then selling them at a premium once global warming has been debunked as a hoax. This is a win-win situation. Global warming fear mongers with beachfront property will take a financial bath while the smart investor will be able to make a fortune. I see nothing bad that could possibly happen in this scenario.


Or...

Buy the cheaper property nearby that WILL become beachfront property in the near future.
 
2014-06-25 01:12:41 PM

Chummer45: Walker: Ironically this will only affect rich people aka the GOP. Poor people can't afford to live at the beach. Have fun watching your beach houses wash away.


And I wonder whether they'll demand compensation from the government when that happens?


They will, and then they'll complain about not being told earlier.

I'll never understand this mindset.  Personally, even if I thought rising sea levels couldn't be stopped, I'd still start some projects.  Plenty of dry places exist below sea level.  You could, rather than stifling the truth, possibly start creating some artificial salt marshes and building up dikes/sea walls between you and the ocean.  Sure, you won't have beachfront property anymore, but you WEREN'T GOING TO ANYWAY.

And I got to tell you, telling me a prospective new home is going to be eight inches underwater in 30 years isn't better than telling me it's going to be forty inches underwater in a hundred.
 
2014-06-25 01:13:00 PM
The Republican-inflicted legislature can do whatever it wants. Insurers, banks and future homebuyers will do what they must, which is, not insure oceanfront property, which means buyers won't buy and banks won't finance. Stupidity rarely follows the money.
 
2014-06-25 01:14:24 PM

EngineerAU: Walker: Ironically this will only affect rich people aka the GOP. Poor people can't afford to live at the beach. Have fun watching your beach houses wash away.

... and get rebuilt using the subsidized federal flood insurance program and outright disaster grants.


Can't get flood insurance for beach houses, unless they're elevated out of the floodplain, or else some other flood-mitigative action is taken (building a seawall?).

Also, disaster grants are only given after declared disasters (and you have to apply, and IIRC they don't nearly cover 100% of losses, ever), and recipients (again IIRC) have to have had insurance - standard homeowners' does not cover flood without an NFIP rider. SBA disaster loans usually have to be repaid.

// used to work for FEMA
 
2014-06-25 01:15:41 PM
i.imgur.com
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-06-25 01:15:58 PM

red230: This seems like a great opportunity for smart people to make a lot of money in real estate. Houses on the beach sell for a premium but the threat of rising sea levels will make the value of those properties plummet. A savvy investor that truly understands that climate change is impossible should be able to make a killing in real estate by buying up undervalued beachfront homes being sold by global warming alarmists and then selling them at a premium once global warming has been debunked as a hoax. This is a win-win situation. Global warming fear mongers with beachfront property will take a financial bath while the smart investor will be able to make a fortune. I see nothing bad that could possibly happen in this scenario.


bitcoinexaminer.org
Jim Cramer has another alt, apparently.
 
2014-06-25 01:17:01 PM

Dr Dreidel: // used to work for FEMA


Did you ever get to see the plans for the concentration camps, or did you leave before Obama took office?
 
2014-06-25 01:17:02 PM

EngineerAU: Walker: Ironically this will only affect rich people aka the GOP. Poor people can't afford to live at the beach. Have fun watching your beach houses wash away.

... and get rebuilt using the subsidized federal flood insurance program and outright disaster grants.


This. They need to stop building in areas likely to be underwater in 50-100 years. For one thing even before those areas are completely underwater, they will be more vulnerable to disasters They won't stop building though. It will cost the federal government a big pile of money bailing their dumb asses out and we'll all get to help pay for it.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-06-25 01:17:07 PM

JackieRabbit: The Republican-inflicted legislature can do whatever it wants. Insurers, banks and future homebuyers will do what they must, which is, not insure oceanfront property, which means buyers won't buy and banks won't finance. Stupidity rarely follows the money.

cue?


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d23 [TotalFark]
2014-06-25 01:17:47 PM

Lando Lincoln: Dr Dreidel: // used to work for FEMA

Did you ever get to see the plans for the concentration camps, or did you leave before Obama took office?


He was part of the shadow government plan, though.
 
2014-06-25 01:18:58 PM

Lando Lincoln: Dr Dreidel: // used to work for FEMA

Did you ever get to see the plans for the concentration camps, or did you leave before Obama took office?


Will they have steak and lobster?  I assume that they'll have steak and lobster from spending the food stamps.
 
2014-06-25 01:19:09 PM
They came blame Obama. I'm sure that will be still be a valid method in 2100
 
2014-06-25 01:19:14 PM
LA LA LA LA LAAAAAAA I CAN'T HEAR YOUUUU
 
2014-06-25 01:19:50 PM

Lando Lincoln: Dr Dreidel: // used to work for FEMA

Did you ever get to see the plans for the concentration camps, or did you leave before Obama took office?


Mostly web stuff, some writing/editing/research, mostly into how many 6' x 1' x 2' boxes you can fit into a hole in the des-

I've already said too much.

// 2005-2006 (including Katrina), working for a contractor
 
2014-06-25 01:20:12 PM
Dr Dreidel:
Can't get flood insurance for beach houses, unless they're elevated out of the floodplain, or else some other flood-mitigative action is taken (building a seawall?).

Also, disaster grants are only given after declared disasters (and you have to apply, and IIRC they don't nearly cover 100% of losses, ever), and recipients (again IIRC) have to have had insurance - standard homeowners' does not cover flood without an NFIP rider. SBA disaster loans usually have to be repaid.

// used to work for FEMA


Congress can pass special disaster bailout bills though like they did for Katrina. Quite a lot of money was allocated to bail out a city that's built below sea level.
 
2014-06-25 01:20:35 PM
I've rented from there and I loved it,  but how much money does one spend trying to keep those islands "afloat" before enough is enough?

Can it really be stopped and how much should be wasted trying to stop it.

It just seems inevitable that those islands are eventually going to be under water to me.
 
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