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2014-06-25 02:17:50 PM
"now they get to worry about some tech tycoon outbidding them for their parking spot. "
ROLF - THEIR parking spot? LOLOLOL
HOW about ... paying for parking?
CLEARLY, the city needs to get in on this.
Make each spot bit enabled!
Highest bidder gets the parking spot.
The city should be able to collect what the spot is actually worth!!!
HAHAHA HAHAH sigh

CSB
ONE of the awesome things about the absurd new parking boxes in chicago, is that you can always find street parking now!! The cheap bastards have to park elsewhere now instead of stealing parking spots on the street, which are better served by people patronizing nearby businesses!!
/CSB
 
2014-06-25 03:10:21 PM
Job Creators.
 
2014-06-25 03:10:32 PM
You're not paying them for the spot. You're paying for them to get out of it.
 
2014-06-25 03:11:19 PM
Geez, I just want to earn money off occupying public land pointlessly long, while depending on the local government and taxes to do all the maintenance.

You just hate small businesses!  I built that!
 
2014-06-25 03:11:40 PM
The next tech bubble crash can't come soon enough
 
2014-06-25 03:12:21 PM
So, if someone "buys" a parking spot using this app, what's to stop some other driver from muscling in there anyway?
 
2014-06-25 03:13:21 PM
What is the stupid tag for? I see nothing wrong with San Fran having an issue with this..
 
2014-06-25 03:13:32 PM
Maybe they should, you know, create adequate parking facilities and this wouldn't be a thing.
 
2014-06-25 03:13:42 PM
So hire a bunch of college kids at $5/hour to squat in parking spaces all day and constantly sell them off? Cmon, there's a gold mine here, no one says the city can't be the one to profit.
 
2014-06-25 03:14:57 PM

Dafatone: So, if someone "buys" a parking spot using this app, what's to stop some other driver from muscling in there anyway?


The seller sitting there holding it for them?
 
2014-06-25 03:15:13 PM
oh sure its all fun and games, until the city council decides to do this for every public parking spot in the city.
 
Ant
2014-06-25 03:16:10 PM

Dafatone: So, if someone "buys" a parking spot using this app, what's to stop some other driver from muscling in there anyway?


Nothing.
www.streetsblog.org
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-06-25 03:17:20 PM

ikanreed: Geez, I just want to earn money off occupying public land pointlessly long, while depending on the local government and taxes to do all the maintenance.

You just hate small businesses!  I built that!


Hey... Clive Bundy has a Fark account!
 
2014-06-25 03:20:15 PM
It's really a good idea, they just want their cut.
 
2014-06-25 03:20:41 PM

AlgaeRancher: oh sure its all fun and games, until the city council decides to do this for every public parking spot in the city.


Yep, sounds like that's a decent plan.
 
2014-06-25 03:22:05 PM
If they do this for Chicago, where are they gonna store all their lawn chairs?
 
Ant
2014-06-25 03:22:29 PM
I could see people making a job out of this:

occupy a parking space
sell it to the highest bidder
move on to another space
repeat
 
2014-06-25 03:23:59 PM
I would pay money to have people use this app and then beat the crap out of anyone auctioning a public parking space.
 
2014-06-25 03:25:15 PM
This is how I see it working:

Driver : I am about to leave the number 2 spot in front of the doors at Best Buy. Who wants it?
Guy 1: Uh, I'll give you 50 cents.
Guy 2: 5 bucks!
Guy 3: 25 bucks!
Guy 4: I won't spend 5 minutes beating your car with a claw hammer.
Driver: uh....sold to Guy 4!

And what happens if you pay for someone's spot, and then some asshole ganks 'your' spot because you're blocked by the guy pulling out? Do you politely explain how you just paid for that public spot and therefore it is now 'yours' and that he should move, and hope the day ends without your smart phone being surgically removed from your anus? Do you call the cops and report that you were 'robbed'? Do you engage in some Casey Jones style street justice that ends with you being indicted for manslaughter for standing up for your 'rights'?

I don't see any good coming of that app.
 
2014-06-25 03:27:53 PM

Ant: I could see people making a job out of this:

occupy a parking space
sell it to the highest bidder
move on to another space
repeat


Yah that is the irony of the App. Due to squatters trying to make a buck, the parking problem will ironically get worse.

iheartscotch: Maybe they should, you know, create adequate parking facilities and this wouldn't be a thing.


Because  in a 7x7 city, parking facilities and spaces are not efficient land usage or even cost effective.
 
2014-06-25 03:28:41 PM
Making money is only for the rich.  The little guy has no right to try and make money!  That's what this all comes down too.  Some guy found a way to make a bit of money and the wealthy "job creators" don't like it
 
2014-06-25 03:29:38 PM

MythDragon: I don't see any good coming of that app.


The only potential saving grace is that this is in SF, a city not known for its high rate of firearm ownership.

In many cities, "stealing" a parking spot is cause for beatings or worse - now add to that some moron thought they actually had a "right" to it because they paid.

// ugh, just wait 'til the Christmas shopping season
// only about 6 weeks away!
 
2014-06-25 03:30:15 PM
I'm going to flatten the tires of everyone using this app to drum up business for my tow service app where you can field bids from local tow companies.
 
2014-06-25 03:30:49 PM

Warlordtrooper: Making money is only for the rich.  The little guy has no right to try and make money!  That's what this all comes down too.  Some guy found a way to make a bit of money and the wealthy "job creators" don't like it


no it is actually just the opposite. This is not some case of the bum pointing out obvious parking spots and supplying "security" for a buck situation.
 
2014-06-25 03:31:00 PM

cgraves67: You're not paying them for the spot. You're paying for them to get out of it.


Exactly. And that's why the law doesn't apply and the C&D letter is without merit.
 
2014-06-25 03:32:25 PM

Satanic_Hamster: I would pay money to have people use this app and then beat the crap out of anyone auctioning a public parking space.


I would contribut $50 to that kickstarter provided that I got a picture of the guy getting beaten.
 
2014-06-25 03:32:39 PM

cgraves67: You're not paying them for the spot. You're paying for them to get out of it.


You're not paying a prostitute for sex, you're paying her to leave afterward.
 
2014-06-25 03:32:57 PM

jigger: cgraves67: You're not paying them for the spot. You're paying for them to get out of it.

Exactly. And that's why the law doesn't apply and the C&D letter is without merit.


The law is about profiting off public land.
 
2014-06-25 03:33:24 PM

Ant: Dafatone: So, if someone "buys" a parking spot using this app, what's to stop some other driver from muscling in there anyway?

Nothing.
[www.streetsblog.org image 510x383]


One thing I gotta hand that show...
They made a real good play of the setting being in NYC, when in fact, the whole thing was filmed in LA.
 
2014-06-25 03:34:08 PM
I didn't RTFA; but it seems to me that what you're selling is exclusive information about when a particular spot will be vacant. Seems legit to me.
 
2014-06-25 03:35:18 PM
I bet handicap folks can double their prices
 
2014-06-25 03:35:59 PM

durbnpoisn: Ant: Dafatone: So, if someone "buys" a parking spot using this app, what's to stop some other driver from muscling in there anyway?

Nothing.
[www.streetsblog.org image 510x383]

One thing I gotta hand that show...
They made a real good play of the setting being in NYC, when in fact, the whole thing was filmed in LA.


We can make an app that hacks into the MonkeyParking app so you can preemptively take the space.
 
2014-06-25 03:36:13 PM

All2morrowsparTs: jigger: cgraves67: You're not paying them for the spot. You're paying for them to get out of it.

Exactly. And that's why the law doesn't apply and the C&D letter is without merit.

The law is about profiting off public land.


No one is buying selling or leasing property except for the city. The app users are coordinating their parking together. The time at which you leave a parking space is not public property.
 
2014-06-25 03:36:47 PM

NorCalLos: I didn't RTFA; but it seems to me that what you're selling is exclusive information about when a particular spot will be vacant. Seems legit to me.


So you travel around and pull into a vacant spot, using it up, but only so you can auction it off to someone else. That is not legit.
 
2014-06-25 03:37:50 PM

jigger: All2morrowsparTs: jigger: cgraves67: You're not paying them for the spot. You're paying for them to get out of it.

Exactly. And that's why the law doesn't apply and the C&D letter is without merit.

The law is about profiting off public land.

No one is buying selling or leasing property except for the city. The app users are coordinating their parking together. The time at which you leave a parking space is not public property.


They're attempting to sell access to public land. This is not a clever defense.
 
2014-06-25 03:38:07 PM

LeroyBourne: It's really a good idea, they just want their cut.


It's a terrible idea socially, just a very protiable on economically.

I helped run a Burning man offshoot that had a ticket cap due to space limitations and typically sold out all 1500 tickets in matter of minute after they went on sale.  Of course this caused much upset and consternation among the ticketless.   We raised ticket prices $15 to $50 to create a reserve fund to buy land to expand the event at some point but int he meantime the tickets kept selling out faster and faster.


our smart economist friend pointed out that the most beneficial solution to the Org to deal with t\he shortage would be to auction the tickets off pair by pair.   Those most motivated to go would pay a premium to guarantee their attendance, and then ticket prices would fall until they "found their level" based on the current demand.

and technically he was absolutely correct.  It would have maximized "profit" for the 501(c)(3) which would have brought us closer to buying land quicker which in the end benefits everyone.  However Morally/ethically/optically it was an AWFUL solution as it would destroy the core values of radical inclusion and non-commerce the event was founded on, favoring rich burners over poor ones.

Sometimes the optimal economic solution is not the RIGHT one
 
2014-06-25 03:40:24 PM

jigger: All2morrowsparTs: jigger: cgraves67: You're not paying them for the spot. You're paying for them to get out of it.

Exactly. And that's why the law doesn't apply and the C&D letter is without merit.

The law is about profiting off public land.

No one is buying selling or leasing property except for the city. The app users are coordinating their parking together. The time at which you leave a parking space is not public property.


You are still profiting from the use of a public space, not to mention the unintended consequences of dissuading the efficient use of that public land since this will exacerbate spot squatting.

The company itself, as a promotion, actually paid people to squat on spaces in the Mission one weekend.
 
2014-06-25 03:41:40 PM

HotWingConspiracy: jigger: All2morrowsparTs: jigger: cgraves67: You're not paying them for the spot. You're paying for them to get out of it.

Exactly. And that's why the law doesn't apply and the C&D letter is without merit.

The law is about profiting off public land.

No one is buying selling or leasing property except for the city. The app users are coordinating their parking together. The time at which you leave a parking space is not public property.

They're attempting to sell access to public land. This is not a clever defense.


No they aren't they are simply selling information about when they are leaving a parking spot.  They are not selling access to the land, rather knowledge of they are done parking their car.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-06-25 03:42:16 PM
AlgaeRancher: oh sure its all fun and games, until the city council decides to do this for every public parking spot in the city.

There is a movement to implement market rate street parking nationwide. The federal DOT is paying for demonstration projects.  Donald Shoup at UCLA is the guy credited with the concept (but not necessarily the implementation).
 
2014-06-25 03:43:23 PM

HotWingConspiracy: jigger: All2morrowsparTs: jigger: cgraves67: You're not paying them for the spot. You're paying for them to get out of it.

Exactly. And that's why the law doesn't apply and the C&D letter is without merit.

The law is about profiting off public land.

No one is buying selling or leasing property except for the city. The app users are coordinating their parking together. The time at which you leave a parking space is not public property.

They're attempting to sell access to public land. This is not a clever defense.


Ridiculous. They are selling information, not the land.
 
2014-06-25 03:43:39 PM

MythDragon: This is how I see it working:
Guy 4: I won't spend 5 minutes beating your car with a claw hammer.


Ten minutes!
 
2014-06-25 03:44:44 PM

jigger: HotWingConspiracy: jigger: All2morrowsparTs: jigger: cgraves67: You're not paying them for the spot. You're paying for them to get out of it.

Exactly. And that's why the law doesn't apply and the C&D letter is without merit.

The law is about profiting off public land.

No one is buying selling or leasing property except for the city. The app users are coordinating their parking together. The time at which you leave a parking space is not public property.

They're attempting to sell access to public land. This is not a clever defense.

Ridiculous. They are selling information, not the land.


Can you get on to the land without paying them? They're selling access to something they don't own.
 
2014-06-25 03:46:07 PM

Dafatone: So, if someone "buys" a parking spot using this app, what's to stop some other driver from muscling in there anyway?


I'm too lazy to check, but I assume the app can handle that. Neither buyer nor (ultimately) seller wants the money to change hands if the transfer fails. Any marketplace has to be able to handle that.
 
2014-06-25 03:46:23 PM

NorCalLos: I didn't RTFA; but it seems to me that what you're selling is exclusive information about when a particular spot will be vacant. Seems legit to me.


When's that spot going to be vacant?
Soon as you pay me ten bucks.
 
2014-06-25 03:46:38 PM

jigger: HotWingConspiracy: jigger: All2morrowsparTs: jigger: cgraves67: You're not paying them for the spot. You're paying for them to get out of it.

Exactly. And that's why the law doesn't apply and the C&D letter is without merit.

The law is about profiting off public land.

No one is buying selling or leasing property except for the city. The app users are coordinating their parking together. The time at which you leave a parking space is not public property.

They're attempting to sell access to public land. This is not a clever defense.

Ridiculous. They are selling information, not the land.


They are brokering the use of the land. They are not only giving information but also holding that space until the buyer enters it.
 
2014-06-25 03:48:55 PM

Warlordtrooper: HotWingConspiracy: jigger: All2morrowsparTs: jigger: cgraves67: You're not paying them for the spot. You're paying for them to get out of it.

Exactly. And that's why the law doesn't apply and the C&D letter is without merit.

The law is about profiting off public land.

No one is buying selling or leasing property except for the city. The app users are coordinating their parking together. The time at which you leave a parking space is not public property.

They're attempting to sell access to public land. This is not a clever defense.

No they aren't they are simply selling information about when they are leaving a parking spot.  They are not selling access to the land, rather knowledge of they are done parking their car.


Nobody would pay for this information unless they were getting the spot. They're attempting to sell access to public land.
 
2014-06-25 03:50:20 PM

Warlordtrooper: No they aren't they are simply selling information about when they are leaving a parking spot. They are not selling access to the land, rather knowledge of they are done parking their car.


No, they're soliciting payment to move their car at a certain time. It's not "pay $10.00 to find out I'm leaving at 4:30" it's "pay $10.00 to get me to leave now".
 
2014-06-25 03:51:11 PM

All2morrowsparTs: jigger: All2morrowsparTs: jigger: cgraves67: You're not paying them for the spot. You're paying for them to get out of it.

Exactly. And that's why the law doesn't apply and the C&D letter is without merit.

The law is about profiting off public land.

No one is buying selling or leasing property except for the city. The app users are coordinating their parking together. The time at which you leave a parking space is not public property.

You are still profiting from the use of a public space, not to mention the unintended consequences of dissuading the efficient use of that public land since this will exacerbate spot squatting.

The company itself, as a promotion, actually paid people to squat on spaces in the Mission one weekend.


So what? The people squatting in the spots were completely legally entitled to do so as long as they pay the meter and leave within the time limit.

In the case that someone is about to leave a spot, they use this app, and someone pays to park right after them, and then someone else slips into the spot before them, it's not like they would have a case against the more agile parker. They paid to know exactly when the first parker would leave the spot, expecting that the first parker would not leave until they got there. If that person got tired of waiting and left a little too soon and the paying guy didn't get his spot, then all they can do is take it up with the app company, who is in no way legally obligated to them.
 
2014-06-25 03:53:02 PM

thaylin: NorCalLos: I didn't RTFA; but it seems to me that what you're selling is exclusive information about when a particular spot will be vacant. Seems legit to me.

So you travel around and pull into a vacant spot, using it up, but only so you can auction it off to someone else. That is not legit.


Sure; but if there's a legitimate use for the app, it's not fair to shut the whole thing down.
 
2014-06-25 03:53:35 PM

HotWingConspiracy: jigger: HotWingConspiracy: jigger: All2morrowsparTs: jigger: cgraves67: You're not paying them for the spot. You're paying for them to get out of it.

Exactly. And that's why the law doesn't apply and the C&D letter is without merit.

The law is about profiting off public land.

No one is buying selling or leasing property except for the city. The app users are coordinating their parking together. The time at which you leave a parking space is not public property.

They're attempting to sell access to public land. This is not a clever defense.

Ridiculous. They are selling information, not the land.

Can you get on to the land without paying them? They're selling access to something they don't own.


Yes, you can get onto the land without paying them. They can't park there forever. There are time limits on these spots. Anyone parking there has paid to be parked there. As long as they are within the time limit, they have the right to park there and leave whenever it benefits them to do so.
 
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