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(International Business Times)   Scientists have come up with yet another reason why children are obese which isn't 'they eat too much food'   ( ibtimes.co.uk) divider line
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2014-06-25 06:09:49 PM  
Not a causation, but probably a correlation between overprotective parents and a lack of physical activity due to fear of danger
 
2014-06-25 07:11:15 PM  
Dear god, stupid people:

not everything is about "trying to dodge responsibility"

Sometimes, and this is crazy, I know, we like to actually understand what changed in society to allow for the changes we see in individuals.  Tools to help us shape future policy.  It's not "common sense" because it's actually trying to understand aggregate problems rather than engage in reductionist dismissals.
 
2014-06-25 07:12:13 PM  

ArkAngel: Not a causation, but probably a correlation between overprotective parents and a lack of physical activity due to fear of danger



Actually, that's a pretty clear direct causation.  Crappy parents 'protecting' their little snowflake legitimately leads to lack of physical activity.

Not saying that's the ONE and ONLY cause, but it is A cause.  Kids, much like adults, can be lazy.  You've gotta direct their energy into activity, or they'll play vidya games all day.  I tried, and that was back in the 2600 days.

/mom kicked my ass out the door daily
 
2014-06-25 07:14:41 PM  
Overprotective mothers == "Stay inside and be safe" and "No you can't play that sport, you might get hurt" instead of "Go outside and ride bikes and play!!!!" from my wife and I.

//Proud dad of two skinny boys.
 
2014-06-25 07:17:02 PM  

ArkAngel: Not a causation, but probably a correlation between overprotective parents and a lack of physical activity due to fear of danger


True, although as a child of an overprotective mom I can definitely imagine:

"No you may not go out and play where a pedophile might grab you.  You want to give your poor mother who loves you so much a heart attack if something happened to you?  Now go upstairs and internalize your feelings.  There's ice cream in the freezer."
 
2014-06-25 07:17:38 PM  
Its not always how much you eat, but what you eat. Just like I could put 8 gallons of fuel in my car and cause it to have problems if I put 8 gallons of diesel or jet fuel.

Its why calorie counting only tells one side of a story.
 
2014-06-25 07:17:52 PM  
Shout to all my lost boys. Bangarang
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www.quickmeme.com
 
2014-06-25 07:18:30 PM  
This is one small area of parenting I haven't farked up too badly.

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2014-06-25 07:18:40 PM  

Dahnkster: Shout to all my lost boys. Bangarang
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[www.quickmeme.com image 410x308]


Our ice cream guy makes them run a little bit before he stops.  I think he's just an asshole, but maybe he's helping in his own way.
 
2014-06-25 07:19:43 PM  
Kids, unlike adults, are not 100% responsible for their actions, subby. An 8-year old child, whose mother encourages it to eat lots of donuts because it wants them, and not to go outside because it might get hurt, is not responsible for getting fat in the same way you or I would be responsible for getting fat. We know better and are able to modify our actions. The child doesn't know any better, and is dependent on the mother to provide more nourishing low-calorie food and encourage it to go outside now and then.

I hope this clarifies matters for you.
 
2014-06-25 07:20:32 PM  
When I was a kid all I wanted was a bicycle not an xbox.
 
2014-06-25 07:21:30 PM  
The movie fat kid in 1971 looks positively svelte compared to some of today's kids.  His mother was pretty over-protective if I recall correctly.

img.fark.net
 
2014-06-25 07:21:59 PM  
According to the paper, published on PLOS ONE...

Couldn't get the study accepted at a good journal, I see.
 
2014-06-25 07:23:46 PM  
Stupidity?
 
2014-06-25 07:25:10 PM  
 
2014-06-25 07:28:04 PM  
I don't know, I see plenty of shiatty mothers who could reign in their little bastards more plop out 3 or so little wobblers. Generally, though, said mothers are situated on scooters. So there's that.
 
2014-06-25 07:29:21 PM  

Just what I always wanted. My own little obese child. I will name him George, and I will hug him and pet him and squeeze him and pat him and pet him and rub him and caress him and...


d.ibtimes.co.uk

 
2014-06-25 07:32:22 PM  

meat0918: Dahnkster: Shout to all my lost boys. Bangarang
[kiddos1234.files.wordpress.com image 321x400]

[www.quickmeme.com image 410x308]

Our ice cream guy makes them run a little bit before he stops.  I think he's just an asshole, but maybe he's helping in his own way.


Did you know that when the ice cream man plays turkey in the straw that means he is out of ice cream? True fact.
 
2014-06-25 07:33:07 PM  
Hmm.. Would be interesting to see results of like 3 kid families.

The usual is:
First kid: over protective. Clueless parents doing their best to keep kid safe. Ends Up Economics Major or something.
Second: parents getting the hang of it. Some what moderate.
Third kid: ok these rats are anything but fragile. Go mountain biking and play tackle football in the middle if the street. Good luck with your music major.
 
2014-06-25 07:33:33 PM  
yay, let's make fun of how other people look! because we want them to be healthy, right? totally not because we're insecure about our own looks...
 
2014-06-25 07:33:48 PM  

Dahnkster: Shout to all my lost boys. Bangarang
[kiddos1234.files.wordpress.com image 321x400]

[www.quickmeme.com image 410x308]


The first picture is perfect in all the wrong ways. I'm pretty sure the fat kid even has a mullet.
 
2014-06-25 07:33:51 PM  
Maybe, just maybe, it's not just one thing, but a combination of things that are making kids fat.

But yes, no outside play is contributing in some cases.
 
2014-06-25 07:34:11 PM  

Dimensio: Advertising companies may be partially responsible.


Mock GI Joe and Transformers and their ilk for being 30 minute toy commercials but I notice that all the ads between cartoons now are for food and snacks, not for actual toys.
 
2014-06-25 07:34:43 PM  

freetomato: The movie fat kid in 1971 looks positively svelte compared to some of today's kids.  His mother was pretty over-protective if I recall correctly.

[img.fark.net image 640x359]


IIRC he's still a big guy, and a tax accountant.

/no
//I can't be farked
///wikiwiki it yerself
 
2014-06-25 07:36:16 PM  

freetomato: The movie fat kid in 1971 looks positively svelte compared to some of today's kids.  His mother was pretty over-protective if I recall correctly.

[img.fark.net image 640x359]


Remember Chunk? His schtick was being a lardass, and no one would give him a second look these days.
 
2014-06-25 07:36:34 PM  
I actually hear a teaser on the radio today about a story involving concerned parents wanting to taking heading out of soccer for fear of head injuries. I lt made me sad.
 
2014-06-25 07:37:36 PM  

JesseL: This is one small area of parenting I haven't farked up too badly.

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What the hell is wrong with you??????
He should be inside playing video games or watching reality TV!!!
Don't you care about pharmaceutical company executives?
They have families to feed to you know. And mansions to pay for.
If this boy keeps being active and healthy he will not need to rely of various medications when he is older.
You and your kind are so selfish.
Always thinking of your own health and well being.
 
2014-06-25 07:38:37 PM  

DubtodaIll: I actually hear a teaser on the radio today about a story involving concerned parents wanting to taking heading out of soccer for fear of head injuries. I lt made me sad.


I coach. We are not allowed to teach or encourage heading until Modified (7th grade).
 
2014-06-25 07:39:21 PM  
Kids are obese so that they can fill up their parents McMansions.
 
2014-06-25 07:40:09 PM  

Sergeant Grumbles: Dahnkster: Shout to all my lost boys. Bangarang
[kiddos1234.files.wordpress.com image 321x400]

[www.quickmeme.com image 410x308]

The first picture is perfect in all the wrong ways. I'm pretty sure the fat kid even has a mullet.


Note the bacon-patterned towel
 
2014-06-25 07:40:40 PM  

Fano: meat0918: Dahnkster: Shout to all my lost boys. Bangarang
[kiddos1234.files.wordpress.com image 321x400]

[www.quickmeme.com image 410x308]

Our ice cream guy makes them run a little bit before he stops.  I think he's just an asshole, but maybe he's helping in his own way.

Did you know that when the ice cream man plays turkey in the straw that means he is out of ice cream? True fact.


Oh, I thought that meant he was racist.
 
2014-06-25 07:43:32 PM  

namegoeshere: freetomato: The movie fat kid in 1971 looks positively svelte compared to some of today's kids.  His mother was pretty over-protective if I recall correctly.

[img.fark.net image 640x359]

Remember Chunk? His schtick was being a lardass, and no one would give him a second look these days.


Isn't that true for everything physically? Look at body builders from back then they look small and soft in comparison. The average NFL football team weight is like 100 lbs higher.
 
2014-06-25 07:43:46 PM  

This text is now purple: Sergeant Grumbles: Dahnkster: Shout to all my lost boys. Bangarang
[kiddos1234.files.wordpress.com image 321x400]

[www.quickmeme.com image 410x308]

The first picture is perfect in all the wrong ways. I'm pretty sure the fat kid even has a mullet.

Note the bacon-patterned towel


I was concerned that he didn't have time to put on clothes, but since he was able to set up a camp I'm less worried.
 
2014-06-25 07:44:15 PM  
Complex problems are not truly complex at all and always have simple solutions. Therefore this study is an arsehole.
 
2014-06-25 07:44:19 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Kids, unlike adults, are not 100% responsible for their actions, subby. An 8-year old child, whose mother encourages it to eat lots of donuts because it wants them, and not to go outside because it might get hurt, is not responsible for getting fat in the same way you or I would be responsible for getting fat. We know better and are able to modify our actions. The child doesn't know any better, and is dependent on the mother to provide more nourishing low-calorie food and encourage it to go outside now and then.

I hope this clarifies matters for you.


This.

I'm not sure how guaranteeing your child needs a triple bypass at age seven can be construed as being over protective. It's negligent. Parents can go for bike rides and kick a ball around WITH their kids.
 
2014-06-25 07:45:25 PM  

NakedDrummer: Hmm.. Would be interesting to see results of like 3 kid families.

The usual is:
First kid: over protective. Clueless parents doing their best to keep kid safe. Ends Up Economics Major or something.
Second: parents getting the hang of it. Some what moderate.
Third kid: ok these rats are anything but fragile. Go mountain biking and play tackle football in the middle if the street. Good luck with your music major.


Fifth kid (my sister): Just make sure Kennan doesn't eat anything sharp!
 
2014-06-25 07:45:54 PM  

LazerFish: yay, let's make fun of how other people look! because we want them to be healthy, right? totally not because we're insecure about our own looks...


I would never dream of picking on an overweight person. My sister was growing up and I saw how badly she was hurt on a daily basis by mean kids. She actually has a thyroid issue and lost 60 lbs without even trying once she got on meds in her 20s. Fact remains, a lot of kids have really unhealthy habits nowadays and it is sad if they face a host of health issues that could be prevented.
 
2014-06-25 07:46:20 PM  

skinink: Just what I always wanted. My own little obese child. I will name him George, and I will hug him and pet him and squeeze him and pat him and pet him and rub him and caress him and...
[d.ibtimes.co.uk image 720x481]


I think that's that Chinese kid who is five and weighs 150 pounds or something. He can't even open his eyes. I mean, even more than usual.
 
2014-06-25 07:47:37 PM  

the_end_is_rear: JesseL: This is one small area of parenting I haven't farked up too badly.

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What the hell is wrong with you??????
He should be inside playing video games or watching reality TV!!!
Don't you care about pharmaceutical company executives?
They have families to feed to you know. And mansions to pay for.
If this boy keeps being active and healthy he will not need to rely of various medications when he is older.
You and your kind are so selfish.
Always thinking of your own health and well being.



You joke, but I fully expect to sooner or later be called out for having the privilege of being able to send my kid outside to play and engage in healthy exercise.
 
2014-06-25 07:50:29 PM  
When in doubt, blame parents.  There's a long tradition of that.
 
2014-06-25 07:51:15 PM  

JesseL: the_end_is_rear: JesseL: This is one small area of parenting I haven't farked up too badly.

[scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 850x637]

What the hell is wrong with you??????
He should be inside playing video games or watching reality TV!!!
Don't you care about pharmaceutical company executives?
They have families to feed to you know. And mansions to pay for.
If this boy keeps being active and healthy he will not need to rely of various medications when he is older.
You and your kind are so selfish.
Always thinking of your own health and well being.


You joke, but I fully expect to sooner or later be called out for having the privilege of being able to send my kid outside to play and engage in healthy exercise.


Too late. Maybe not for you personally, but in general that's been going on for years.
 
2014-06-25 07:52:23 PM  

JesseL: the_end_is_rear: JesseL: This is one small area of parenting I haven't farked up too badly.

[scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 850x637]

What the hell is wrong with you??????
He should be inside playing video games or watching reality TV!!!
Don't you care about pharmaceutical company executives?
They have families to feed to you know. And mansions to pay for.
If this boy keeps being active and healthy he will not need to rely of various medications when he is older.
You and your kind are so selfish.
Always thinking of your own health and well being.


You joke, but I fully expect to sooner or later be called out for having the privilege of being able to send my kid outside to play and engage in healthy exercise.


Sad but true.
 
2014-06-25 07:53:09 PM  

Raoul Eaton: When in doubt, blame parents.  There's a long tradition of that.

Good reason for it, too
 
2014-06-25 07:54:40 PM  

freetomato: LazerFish: yay, let's make fun of how other people look! because we want them to be healthy, right? totally not because we're insecure about our own looks...

I would never dream of picking on an overweight person. My sister was growing up and I saw how badly she was hurt on a daily basis by mean kids. She actually has a thyroid issue and lost 60 lbs without even trying once she got on meds in her 20s. Fact remains, a lot of kids have really unhealthy habits nowadays and it is sad if they face a host of health issues that could be prevented.


I could believe 15 pounds from thyroid medication.
 
2014-06-25 07:56:52 PM  

freetomato: The movie fat kid in 1971 looks positively svelte compared to some of today's kids.  His mother was pretty over-protective if I recall correctly.


Of course all the Fark nutrition experts and armchair psychologists will say this is of course true and point to their skinny kids as proof. Any way to pat your sad self on the back and look down on those other people who aren't as smart.
 
2014-06-25 07:57:02 PM  
The last 2 neighborhoods I lived in had no sidewalks. Zero. Nada. That's can't be helpful to this situation.
 
2014-06-25 08:00:25 PM  

Shakin_Haitian: freetomato: LazerFish: yay, let's make fun of how other people look! because we want them to be healthy, right? totally not because we're insecure about our own looks...

I would never dream of picking on an overweight person. My sister was growing up and I saw how badly she was hurt on a daily basis by mean kids. She actually has a thyroid issue and lost 60 lbs without even trying once she got on meds in her 20s. Fact remains, a lot of kids have really unhealthy habits nowadays and it is sad if they face a host of health issues that could be prevented.

I could believe 15 pounds from thyroid medication.


It could have been combined with her just feeling better and having some energy for a change. I'm not making this up. It changed her life.
 
2014-06-25 08:01:24 PM  

the_end_is_rear: JesseL: This is one small area of parenting I haven't farked up too badly.

[scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 850x637]

What the hell is wrong with you??????
He should be inside playing video games or watching reality TV!!!
Don't you care about pharmaceutical company executives?
They have families to feed to you know. And mansions to pay for.
If this boy keeps being active and healthy he will not need to rely of various medications when he is older.
You and your kind are so selfish.
Always thinking of your own health and well being.


And is that a river he is playing in? OMG, do you know how many germs are in there? And no shirt! What about skin cancer? You monster!
 
2014-06-25 08:03:25 PM  

freetomato: Shakin_Haitian: freetomato: LazerFish: yay, let's make fun of how other people look! because we want them to be healthy, right? totally not because we're insecure about our own looks...

I would never dream of picking on an overweight person. My sister was growing up and I saw how badly she was hurt on a daily basis by mean kids. She actually has a thyroid issue and lost 60 lbs without even trying once she got on meds in her 20s. Fact remains, a lot of kids have really unhealthy habits nowadays and it is sad if they face a host of health issues that could be prevented.

I could believe 15 pounds from thyroid medication.

It could have been combined with her just feeling better and having some energy for a change. I'm not making this up. It changed her life.


I get it. Probably 15 lbs were from the meds, but the rest was from actually having the energy to get off her ass and move a bit.

/thyroid issues suck
 
2014-06-25 08:05:35 PM  

addy2: freetomato: The movie fat kid in 1971 looks positively svelte compared to some of today's kids.  His mother was pretty over-protective if I recall correctly.

Of course all the Fark nutrition experts and armchair psychologists will say this is of course true and point to their skinny kids as proof. Any way to pat your sad self on the back and look down on those other people who aren't as smart.


So we should be looking up to stupid people?

In that case I'm adding you to my favorites as "very admirable".
 
2014-06-25 08:08:28 PM  
One ranch we lived on was 20 sections, the kids had the run of it, result: slender, healthy, strong and muscular kids.
Another ranch was 250 Sections, kids had the run of it also, result: slender, healthy, strong and muscular kids.

I can cook and bake with the best of them too, and I did! That type of work makes you hungry and when you work as hard as we did you want filling, really 'stick to your ribs' food. In those communities there weren't very many overweight kids or teens and those few that were, well they were simply lazy and stuffed their face all the time. Adults are a separate matter, I've seen some rather grith-y cowhands that never stop being active and they never got smaller and seen some rather sedentary folks that were rail thin...

But kids need sunlight and fresh air and wide open spaces where they can run and jump and climb and swim and ride bikes and motorcycles and horses and blow up ant beds with gunpowder! You keep your kids indoors most of the time and hand them electronics to keep them quiet and still and out of your hair you need a swift kick in the arse! Not to mention they are probably going to weigh more and be much less fit and strong.

Is there a National shortage of common sense in this country?

Oh wait, of course there is.
 
2014-06-25 08:09:33 PM  
Our son was pretty chubby all his childhood. We moved when he was 10. Before then, he would hang out with his buddy and they'd ransack the neighborhood with their hijinks. After the move, there were no kids to play with in the neighborhood, but he goofed off with his pals from school. We struggled to get him to eat decent stuff, but he'd always find some mac & cheese.

Took him until he was about 19 to say "screw this, I don't wanna be fat". He stopped drinking diet soda, started eating less processed foods, and a couple years later started hitting the gym. He's chiseled now.

Totally correlation and not causation. Until someone does a study of mommy-coddled kids that are inactive vs independent kids that are inactive, you can't establish this as a true cause. But it makes a good headline.

(also, my brother and me were free to run wild outside until it got dark. Pre-computers & video games. We were both chubs.)
 
2014-06-25 08:11:27 PM  
A lot of Farkers seem to have missed the part where parents have been arrested, charged with child neglect  or had their kids brought home by the cops for the terrible crimes of:

 -  Letting kids play in the yard alone
 -  Letting kids walk to the store alone
 -  Letting a kids walk a mile to a sports practice
 -  And worst of all: Walking with a child while male. Especially if the child is female

Farkers who think parents just aren't letting their kids outside need to spend some time reading Free Range Kids and some of the stories who have been cited for negligence for letting their kids out of their sight. Or had their child escorted home by the cops merely because they were walking alone.

If parents are paranoid, it's for good reason.
 
2014-06-25 08:14:41 PM  
The real solution to all the problems with the horrible children infecting America?
img.fark.net

It's not just about helicopter bubble wrapping so called parents.
 
2014-06-25 08:20:08 PM  

big pig peaches: addy2: freetomato: The movie fat kid in 1971 looks positively svelte compared to some of today's kids.  His mother was pretty over-protective if I recall correctly.

Of course all the Fark nutrition experts and armchair psychologists will say this is of course true and point to their skinny kids as proof. Any way to pat your sad self on the back and look down on those other people who aren't as smart.

So we should be looking up to stupid people?

In that case I'm adding you to my favorites as "very admirable".


You caught me. I meant to say "aren't as smart as they think they are themselves. " But you're so smart you probably knew they. Right?
 
2014-06-25 08:20:42 PM  
Oh geez. The "mommy bloggers" are gonna lose their minds over this.

/good
 
2014-06-25 08:25:18 PM  

Gyrfalcon: NakedDrummer: Hmm.. Would be interesting to see results of like 3 kid families.

The usual is:
First kid: over protective. Clueless parents doing their best to keep kid safe. Ends Up Economics Major or something.
Second: parents getting the hang of it. Some what moderate.
Third kid: ok these rats are anything but fragile. Go mountain biking and play tackle football in the middle if the street. Good luck with your music major.

Fifth kid (my sister): Just make sure Kennan doesn't eat anything sharp!


With my parents, it was the opposite:

First kid: Yeah, go vdo whatever you want. Quit crying about the soccer injury.
Second kid: Uh...
Me: Oh my god! Get inside! The sun's rays could harm your delicate skin! You have a splinter in your thumb?! To the ER, pronto!

No, I didn't turn out well.
 
2014-06-25 08:26:45 PM  
ITT, the Fark helicopter parent brigade.

I'm writing down all these usernames for cross-referencing in future zero tolerance, special snowflake, war on drugs, and OMG Guns! threads.
 
2014-06-25 08:27:33 PM  

big pig peaches: the_end_is_rear: JesseL: This is one small area of parenting I haven't farked up too badly.

[scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 850x637]

What the hell is wrong with you??????
He should be inside playing video games or watching reality TV!!!
Don't you care about pharmaceutical company executives?
They have families to feed to you know. And mansions to pay for.
If this boy keeps being active and healthy he will not need to rely of various medications when he is older.
You and your kind are so selfish.
Always thinking of your own health and well being.

And is that a river he is playing in? OMG, do you know how many germs are in there? And no shirt! What about skin cancer? You monster!


You owe me a keyboard, dagnabit!!!!

/lol!!!!!!
 
2014-06-25 08:37:19 PM  

ikanreed: Dear god, stupid people:

not everything is about "trying to dodge responsibility"

Sometimes, and this is crazy, I know, we like to actually understand what changed in society to allow for the changes we see in individuals.  Tools to help us shape future policy.  It's not "common sense" because it's actually trying to understand aggregate problems rather than engage in reductionist dismissals.


You sound fat.
Like the kids.
In the article.
Fatty.
 
2014-06-25 08:38:19 PM  

freetomato: The movie fat kid in 1971 looks positively svelte compared to some of today's kids.  His mother was pretty over-protective if I recall correctly.


Is that Agustus Gloop?
 
2014-06-25 08:44:20 PM  

JesseL: the_end_is_rear: JesseL: This is one small area of parenting I haven't farked up too badly.

[scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 850x637]

What the hell is wrong with you??????
He should be inside playing video games or watching reality TV!!!
Don't you care about pharmaceutical company executives?
They have families to feed to you know. And mansions to pay for.
If this boy keeps being active and healthy he will not need to rely of various medications when he is older.
You and your kind are so selfish.
Always thinking of your own health and well being.


You joke, but I fully expect to sooner or later be called out for having the privilege of being able to send my kid outside to play and engage in healthy exercise.


Its because all the strongest genes keep getting killed in wars. Study it out. And the onez that come back pass their trauma onto their children in the same vein as concentration camp survivors. Study it out.
 
2014-06-25 08:46:46 PM  

ikanreed: Dear god, stupid people:

not everything is about "trying to dodge responsibility"

Sometimes, and this is crazy, I know, we like to actually understand what changed in society to allow for the changes we see in individuals.  Tools to help us shape future policy.  It's not "common sense" because it's actually trying to understand aggregate problems rather than engage in reductionist dismissals.


But how will they feel superior to acceptable targets now?
 
2014-06-25 08:49:08 PM  

Savage Belief: freetomato: The movie fat kid in 1971 looks positively svelte compared to some of today's kids.  His mother was pretty over-protective if I recall correctly.

Is that Agustus Gloop?


It is.

When I was a kid my mom ran us out to play of we watched more than four Scooby Doo's or Flintstones type shows in a row. Probably for her own peace of mind. All the other kids got kicked put at the same time. Frisbee! Tag! Kickball! Hide and Seek! Down at the creek finding crawdads or tadpoles...you name it. We didn't have gamer physical inactivity back when I was a kid.

But I have an onion on my belt now, you whippersnappers. And I know how to use it.
 
2014-06-25 08:49:51 PM  
Kicked OUT.
 
2014-06-25 08:50:16 PM  

AngryDragon: ITT, the Fark helicopter parent brigade.

I'm writing down all these usernames for cross-referencing in future zero tolerance, special snowflake, war on drugs, and OMG Guns! threads.


I bet you don't get many crossovers.
 
2014-06-25 08:51:27 PM  

AngryDragon: ITT, the Fark helicopter parent brigade.

I'm writing down all these usernames for cross-referencing in future zero tolerance, special snowflake, war on drugs, and OMG Guns! threads.


You have too much free time.
 
2014-06-25 08:56:55 PM  
Why not also look into why our current foods are causing excess fat and hunger to begin with?
 
2014-06-25 08:57:21 PM  

Gyrfalcon: AngryDragon: ITT, the Fark helicopter parent brigade.

I'm writing down all these usernames for cross-referencing in future zero tolerance, special snowflake, war on drugs, and OMG Guns! threads.

I bet you don't get many crossovers.


I have you farkied in Oz good green for reasons.

Idiots get piss yellow.
 
2014-06-25 09:01:16 PM  
I did pretty good in elementary school when I had to walk three miles each way in Texas weather from melting shoes to frigid rain. I was still fat. Tallest boy in my age bracket, but still fat.

In hindsight, I should have watched cartoons in the mornings and run to school. It's not like my parents were around.
 
2014-06-25 09:09:07 PM  

Son of Thunder: AngryDragon: ITT, the Fark helicopter parent brigade.

I'm writing down all these usernames for cross-referencing in future zero tolerance, special snowflake, war on drugs, and OMG Guns! threads.

You have too much free time.


I may too. Been on fark for seven years, and kept a running list, on paper, of who I'd happily buy a round with. Just started greeningfaving those I enjoy recently. When I am flush, I gift TF, because it seems a cool thing to do, though I don't really use TF privileges. I rarely TF. I guess I just get pissed when interesting content is disallowed to me. Plus, I support entrepreneurs. *shrug*
 
2014-06-25 09:11:21 PM  

wildcardjack: I did pretty good in elementary school when I had to walk three miles each way in Texas weather from melting shoes to frigid rain. I was still fat. Tallest boy in my age bracket, but still fat.

In hindsight, I should have watched cartoons in the mornings and run to school. It's not like my parents were around.


Some people are just just built large. Mastiffs, not Chihuahuas.
 
2014-06-25 09:11:48 PM  

Pichu0102: Why not also look into why our current foods are causing excess fat and hunger to begin with?


git yer gorramn hands off my disco fries!
 
2014-06-25 09:14:19 PM  
okay, a step in the right direction blaming the parents but not for the right thing.  i guess the parents need their self-esteem protected, too.
 
2014-06-25 09:14:38 PM  

regornam: The last 2 neighborhoods I lived in had no sidewalks. Zero. Nada. That's can't be helpful to this situation.


Ummm....grew up in West Texas. No sidewalks there for damn sure. We figured out how to walk anyway.
 
2014-06-25 09:20:55 PM  

freetomato: The movie fat kid in 1971 looks positively svelte compared to some of today's kids.  His mother was pretty over-protective if I recall correctly.


This. People used to be thinner. Now farkers and fat chicks have us convinced that we're just fine because curves or "I just can't lose weight" or whatever. The rest of the world is laughing at us. Mix in a salad you farks.
 
2014-06-25 09:27:35 PM  

JesseL: This is one small area of parenting I haven't farked up too badly.


Awwwww! If that lil wader is yours, double awwwwww!
 
2014-06-25 09:33:35 PM  
from autoplay movies?
 
2014-06-25 09:35:24 PM  
It's no different than being an adult.  If you have a sedentary desk job, you'll get fat vs. an active job.  My fitness app on my phone says I burned 650 calories walking today to/at/from work, vs. my old job where I walked 30 feet to work. That's a pound a week; 50 lbs a year difference with no other changes.
 
2014-06-25 09:42:25 PM  
CSB:

I drop my son off to school every day and every morning I see this same obese kid. He's got a bag with him every morning that has a giant Arizona iced tea and a honey bun it, which he eats on the playground before school. The kid is going to have diabetes before he graduates high school.

/CSB
 
2014-06-25 09:47:40 PM  
The other day I managed to leave work early,  which is a very rare occurrence,  and saw children walking home from school.   I thought to myself  it would not be too long until my daughter,  who is 6,  will be able to do that.

Then I thought.

No she will not, unless I quit work.   This is because nobody will be at home when she gets home.

That is probably true for many students.   It is not fear of the walk but it is illegal to leave 8 year olds home alone.  So they go to after care which never seems to include sport.

Secondly,   I went for a walk and I past three play parks with no one in them.     Should I send my daughter out to play by herself.   This is not a one parent issue.  If the children have no one to play with because everyone is inside  I would not deem it safe.   I am like any parent I do worry and although I have allowed her to walk to the neighbours by herself I would not feel good about letting her go for long walks and adventurers by herself.

But I am luckier than some in that she is good friends with her neighbour and they spend a lot of time in the backyard.

But perhaps parents want to allow their children more exercise but the problems and observations I have noted above may be a contributing factor to why they do not.


Perhaps we need to accept the world has changed and mothers,  yes because it was usually mothers,  are no longer at home when the child arrives home.     So maybe we need to also push schools and care institutes to include a lot more exercise and sports as part of the day.
 
2014-06-25 09:49:31 PM  

syrynxx: It's no different than being an adult.  If you have a sedentary desk job, you'll get fat vs. an active job.  My fitness app on my phone says I burned 650 calories walking today to/at/from work, vs. my old job where I walked 30 feet to work. That's a pound a week; 50 lbs a year difference with no other changes.


There are an awful lot of active workers who are fat. It's not just movement, our food supply - fake foods, fast foods, processed foods, soft drinks, etc. - is also part of the problem.
 
2014-06-25 10:06:23 PM  

poodebunker: JesseL: This is one small area of parenting I haven't farked up too badly.

Awwwww! If that lil wader is yours, double awwwwww!


Thanks :) All mine.

fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net
/he thought the water was a bit chilly
 
2014-06-25 10:11:12 PM  

freetomato: may too. Been on fark for seven years, and kept a running list, on paper, of who I'd happily buy a round with. Just started greeningfaving those I enjoy recently. When I am flush, I gift TF, because it seems a cool thing to do, though I don't really use TF privileges. I rarely TF. I guess I just get pissed when interesting content is disallowed to me. Plus, I support entrepreneurs. *shrug*


Really, you just started? I have the whole rainbow going and sometimes a note. I have so many people colored in I can't even remember what all the colors mean. And the people I remember well, I change their motto every time they say something funnier that what was there.

Sometimes I even take people off ignore, because I can't remember what they said to make me mad, and I'm tolerant like that.
 
2014-06-25 10:19:28 PM  

addy2: big pig peaches: addy2: freetomato: The movie fat kid in 1971 looks positively svelte compared to some of today's kids.  His mother was pretty over-protective if I recall correctly.

Of course all the Fark nutrition experts and armchair psychologists will say this is of course true and point to their skinny kids as proof. Any way to pat your sad self on the back and look down on those other people who aren't as smart.

So we should be looking up to stupid people?

In that case I'm adding you to my favorites as "very admirable".

You caught me. I meant to say "aren't as smart as they think they are themselves. " But you're so smart you probably knew they. Right?


Y'all can't be as smrt as I are.
 
2014-06-25 10:24:37 PM  
Children weren't obese until Michele Obama started talking about it. Yeah, that's right... Thanks a lot, Obama
 
2014-06-25 10:27:58 PM  

AngryDragon: ITT, the Fark helicopter parent brigade.

I'm writing down all these usernames for cross-referencing in future zero tolerance, special snowflake, war on drugs, and OMG Guns! threads.


This could be the most pathetic post I've ever read. And I've suffered through a lot, including my own.
 
2014-06-25 10:31:02 PM  
data from the Longitudinal Study of Australian Children

If you need to use longitude and latitude to measure your children they are too large.
 
2014-06-25 10:38:26 PM  

spelletrader: CSB:

I drop my son off to school every day and every morning I see this same obese kid. He's got a bag with him every morning that has a giant Arizona iced tea and a honey bun it, which he eats on the playground before school. The kid is going to have diabetes before he graduates high school.

/CSB


I went to high school with a rather large fellow who brought so much food with him for lunch every day that it would have provided me with more than a week's worth of lunches.  I'm not exaggerating, he had a huge lunch bag type thing, and he sat there and ate all of it.  He was a cool guy but got very defensive about it on the few occasions I saw anyone comment on how much he was eating.  Went over to his house a couple of times to work on projects together and his whole family was like that, just plain huge.  He obviously considered it a normal amount of food.
 
2014-06-25 10:39:09 PM  
If one is too concerned to let their children out free in the neighbourhood or walk to school, it's doubtful they are sending their kids to get the groceries. Parentsmake the choices. They control what when and where their kids eat. And again. Exercise WITH your kids if you are in an unsafe area. Get a dance DVD if it's cold.....
 
2014-06-25 11:01:51 PM  
"This study is brought to you by....Dolly Madison!"
 
2014-06-25 11:02:27 PM  
Ah.. yes, "overprotective" mothers. That's some grade A, pure politically-correct bullshiat right there. Why not just be honest and say what you mean, stupid parents. Let's not pin it all on the mothers. I'm sure there's some moronic dads out there that don't help.
 
2014-06-25 11:11:53 PM  

cryinoutloud: freetomato: may too. Been on fark for seven years, and kept a running list, on paper, of who I'd happily buy a round with. Just started greeningfaving those I enjoy recently. When I am flush, I gift TF, because it seems a cool thing to do, though I don't really use TF privileges. I rarely TF. I guess I just get pissed when interesting content is disallowed to me. Plus, I support entrepreneurs. *shrug*

Really, you just started? I have the whole rainbow going and sometimes a note. I have so many people colored in I can't even remember what all the colors mean. And the people I remember well, I change their motto every time they say something funnier that what was there.

Sometimes I even take people off ignore, because I can't remember what they said to make me mad, and I'm tolerant like that.


You, my fair lady, are more fark-organized than I. I can say you've been a lovely shade of green for a while, since we had a pleasurable exchange way back when. I forget what/ when. "Smart, cool chick".
 
2014-06-25 11:17:58 PM  

miniflea: spelletrader: CSB:

I drop my son off to school every day and every morning I see this same obese kid. He's got a bag with him every morning that has a giant Arizona iced tea and a honey bun it, which he eats on the playground before school. The kid is going to have diabetes before he graduates high school.

/CSB

I went to high school with a rather large fellow who brought so much food with him for lunch every day that it would have provided me with more than a week's worth of lunches.  I'm not exaggerating, he had a huge lunch bag type thing, and he sat there and ate all of it.  He was a cool guy but got very defensive about it on the few occasions I saw anyone comment on how much he was eating.  Went over to his house a couple of times to work on projects together and his whole family was like that, just plain huge.  He obviously considered it a normal amount of food.


Hey I'm all for eating a lot of food, real food. Not pouring tons of sugar down your throat all day long. That kid is guzzling 100 grams of sugar, equivalent of two and a half cans of coke, in ten minutes on the playground before school.

I shudder to think what the rest of his diet is like.
 
2014-06-25 11:32:56 PM  
The other day, my toddler fell down a short flight of stairs at the bar. Couple of scrapes and bruises, but she was back to her normal self in short order. I think we're gonna be just fine.

/did leave after she fell
//was getting on toward go-time anyway
 
2014-06-25 11:36:05 PM  

spelletrader: miniflea: spelletrader: CSB:

I drop my son off to school every day and every morning I see this same obese kid. He's got a bag with him every morning that has a giant Arizona iced tea and a honey bun it, which he eats on the playground before school. The kid is going to have diabetes before he graduates high school.

/CSB

I went to high school with a rather large fellow who brought so much food with him for lunch every day that it would have provided me with more than a week's worth of lunches.  I'm not exaggerating, he had a huge lunch bag type thing, and he sat there and ate all of it.  He was a cool guy but got very defensive about it on the few occasions I saw anyone comment on how much he was eating.  Went over to his house a couple of times to work on projects together and his whole family was like that, just plain huge.  He obviously considered it a normal amount of food.

Hey I'm all for eating a lot of food, real food. Not pouring tons of sugar down your throat all day long. That kid is guzzling 100 grams of sugar, equivalent of two and a half cans of coke, in ten minutes on the playground before school.

I shudder to think what the rest of his diet is like.


Most of what this guy had was processed snack crap.  That kid you describe just makes me sad, all the more so because he doesn't know what he's doing to himself and his idiot parent(s) probably don't think it's hurting him either.
 
2014-06-25 11:38:57 PM  

big pig peaches: addy2: big pig peaches: addy2: freetomato: The movie fat kid in 1971 looks positively svelte compared to some of today's kids.  His mother was pretty over-protective if I recall correctly.

Of course all the Fark nutrition experts and armchair psychologists will say this is of course true and point to their skinny kids as proof. Any way to pat your sad self on the back and look down on those other people who aren't as smart.

So we should be looking up to stupid people?

In that case I'm adding you to my favorites as "very admirable".

You caught me. I meant to say "aren't as smart as they think they are themselves. " But you're so smart you probably knew they. Right?

Y'all can't be as smrt as I are.


I are I tells you, I are.
 
2014-06-25 11:44:43 PM  

JesseL: poodebunker: JesseL: This is one small area of parenting I haven't farked up too badly.

Awwwww! If that lil wader is yours, double awwwwww!

Thanks :) All mine.

[fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net image 850x637]
/he thought the water was a bit chilly


Well yeah, look at how skinny he is! Where's his insulating layer of blubber?

/skinny dad
//skinny kid
 
2014-06-25 11:52:49 PM  

robertus: The other day, my toddler fell down a short flight of stairs at the bar. Couple of scrapes and bruises, but she was back to her normal self in short order. I think we're gonna be just fine.

/did leave after she fell
//was getting on toward go-time anyway


Well, I hope she wasn't driving.
 
2014-06-25 11:57:19 PM  
img.fark.net

Remember, nobody is going to kidnap your fat kids. Fat is the ultimate protection.
 
2014-06-26 12:02:28 AM  

baconbeard: People are fat because they eat too much and don't get enough exercise. It really *is* as simple as that.

/"genetically" obese for the first 45 years of my life
//have lost 75 lbs since Dec 21, 2013 by counting calories and getting regular exercise
///no longer diagnosed with sleep apnia, metabolic syndrome, or pre-diabeetus


Been there, done that.

However, the harder challenge is maintaining the weight. Will the weight come creeping back when the central focus of your life is not diet and exercise?

Lost 70 in 2012/ Was down to slightly below 20 BMI. Now I gained back 20 in 2013-2014.
 
2014-06-26 12:08:10 AM  

syrynxx: It's no different than being an adult.  If you have a sedentary desk job, you'll get fat vs. an active job.  My fitness app on my phone says I burned 650 calories walking today to/at/from work, vs. my old job where I walked 30 feet to work. That's a pound a week; 50 lbs a year difference with no other changes.


You walk about 7 miles to and from work? That would be around 2 hours of walking.
 
2014-06-26 12:19:38 AM  

Likwit: The rest of the world is laughing at us also getting fat.


hell, lab mice are getting fatter.

http://news.discovery.com/animals/fat-pets-obesity-weight.htm 

It's more than just people not putting the fork down.
 
2014-06-26 12:19:58 AM  

JesseL: poodebunker: JesseL: This is one small area of parenting I haven't farked up too badly.

Awwwww! If that lil wader is yours, double awwwwww!

Thanks :) All mine.


/he thought the water was a bit chilly


Oh! I love that! I just adore kids romping in water. At the earliest age my dad had us kids swimming, water skiing, fishing and water rafting. So many wonderful memories come to me seeing your son enjoying that. Thanks for sharing those pictures.
 
2014-06-26 01:20:21 AM  
I bought them each a pair of roller skates and pads.
Now, even before breakfast, they have these things strapped to their feet.

Let's hope it makes a difference leading up to the new school year, because any words of encouragement/positive feedback they hear then will keep them motivated.
 
2014-06-26 01:38:48 AM  

poodebunker: JesseL: poodebunker: JesseL: This is one small area of parenting I haven't farked up too badly.

Awwwww! If that lil wader is yours, double awwwwww!

Thanks :) All mine.


/he thought the water was a bit chilly

Oh! I love that! I just adore kids romping in water. At the earliest age my dad had us kids swimming, water skiing, fishing and water rafting. So many wonderful memories come to me seeing your son enjoying that. Thanks for sharing those pictures.


I remember my Dad teaching me to swim.

Getting the knots untied was the hardest part.
 
2014-06-26 02:16:33 AM  

Ninja Otter: Likwit: The rest of the world is laughing at us also getting fat.

hell, lab mice are getting fatter.

http://news.discovery.com/animals/fat-pets-obesity-weight.htm 

It's more than just people not putting the fork down.


It does seem worth looking into why people aren't just satisfied from what they've eaten.

Personally I think it's mostly that people aren't consuming enough protein in their diets.

I mean a fairly normal meal for a kid may be something like PB&J, but there's almost no protein in that, and it is mostly sugar and fat. So it isn't much wonder when a kid eats things like that and still is hungry (in my mind). Or you have some spaghetti for a meal with just some tomato sauce, it's just carbs and sugar.

The reason for it all seems to be because it's just cheap, rather than healthy. But you end up with people that just think about having some carbs and sugar as a meal (cereal, chips, candy, pretzels, whatever), which doesn't satisfy their appetite, but still will at least make them feel full.

I think if you included more meats in all the kids diets (in school lunches at least) you'd find them having their waistlines getting a bit more reasonable fairly quickly. The only reason that this doesn't seem to be done already is because it would mean revamping school lunches to such a degree that you'd have to infuse millions of dollars into the system to be able to actually afford more than all the bread, potatoes, and noodles currently done.

Instead of really looking at kids' diets and trying to improve them, the conversation seems to just be redirected at "kids are just lazy shiats that won't get up and do anything", or that they're just stuffing their faces with crap, instead of examining why. It doesn't seem like rocket science to figure out that people fed a poor diet are going to be unhealthy in comparison to if you fed something of better quality.
 
2014-06-26 07:08:05 AM  

Demiglace: I mean a fairly normal meal for a kid may be something like PB&J, but there's almost no protein in that, and it is mostly sugar and fat. So it isn't much wonder when a kid eats things like that and still is hungry (in my mind). Or you have some spaghetti for a meal with just some tomato sauce, it's just carbs and sugar.


Peanuts have lots of protein. The wheat gluten in spaghetti is also protein. PB&J has 10g of protein for 100g of PB&J and spaghetti has 8g per 140g.
 
2014-06-26 07:10:08 AM  

Ninja Otter: hell, lab mice are getting fatter.

http://news.discovery.com/animals/fat-pets-obesity-weight.htm

It's more than just people not putting the fork down.


And cats and dogs.
And I suspect also squirrels, especially the brown ones. There are some lard-ass squirrels running around our neighborhood.
 
2014-06-26 07:48:09 AM  

mr0x: Demiglace: I mean a fairly normal meal for a kid may be something like PB&J, but there's almost no protein in that, and it is mostly sugar and fat. So it isn't much wonder when a kid eats things like that and still is hungry (in my mind). Or you have some spaghetti for a meal with just some tomato sauce, it's just carbs and sugar.

Peanuts have lots of protein. The wheat gluten in spaghetti is also protein. PB&J has 10g of protein for 100g of PB&J and spaghetti has 8g per 140g.


That's barely any protein.
 
2014-06-26 07:57:04 AM  

freetomato: You, my fair lady, are more fark-organized than I. I can say you've been a lovely shade of green for a while, since we had a pleasurable exchange way back when. I forget what/ when. "Smart, cool chick"


great minds think alike.
 
2014-06-26 08:00:56 AM  
Yay, you can stave off the ravaging effects of processed sugars, starches, and carbs with exercise and make it so kids appear to be healthy when they aren't, simply by letting them outside to run and play.
 
2014-06-26 08:07:06 AM  

vudukungfu: freetomato: You, my fair lady, are more fark-organized than I. I can say you've been a lovely shade of green for a while, since we had a pleasurable exchange way back when. I forget what/ when. "Smart, cool chick"

great minds think alike.


Ha!  Just checked.  You are on my list too.
 
2014-06-26 08:27:11 AM  

JesseL: This is one small area of parenting I haven't farked up too badly.


But you conveniently edited out the water moccasin about to strike....

/i keed
 
2014-06-26 08:28:52 AM  

Shakin_Haitian: mr0x: Demiglace: I mean a fairly normal meal for a kid may be something like PB&J, but there's almost no protein in that, and it is mostly sugar and fat. So it isn't much wonder when a kid eats things like that and still is hungry (in my mind). Or you have some spaghetti for a meal with just some tomato sauce, it's just carbs and sugar.

Peanuts have lots of protein. The wheat gluten in spaghetti is also protein. PB&J has 10g of protein for 100g of PB&J and spaghetti has 8g per 140g.

That's barely any protein.


You don't need much.  Unless you're body-building, in which case you can modify your diet to eat a lot more nuts.  But literally every vegetable, fruit, and grain has protein, so you can get it from lots of different sources in your diet.

The real problem with PB&J is the sugar.  Let's look at what goes into a typical PB&J:

Jif Peanut Butter (the most popular): "MADE FROM ROASTED PEANUTS AND SUGAR, CONTAINS 2% OR LESS OF: MOLASSES, FULLY HYDROGENATED VEGETABLE OILS (RAPESEED AND SOYBEAN), MONO AND DIGLYCERIDES, SALT."  3g added sugar per 32g serving.
Smuckers Grape Jelly (highest seller on Amazon): "CONCORD GRAPE JUICE, HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP, CORN SYRUP, FRUIT PECTIN, CITRIC ACID, SODIUM CITRATE."  12g sugar per 20g serving.  Since grape juice is one of the most processed forms of sugar, we can count all of it as added sugar.  For strawberry, we might have a harder time, since it's unknown how much is strawberry and how much is other sweetener (in this case: HFCS, Corn Syrup, and Fruit Pectin are all added sugar).
Bimbo Soft White Bread (It's really hard to find info on the most popular bread brands, for some reason): "ENRICHED WHEAT FLOUR [FLOUR, MALTED BARLEY FLOUR, REDUCED IRON, NIACIN, THIAMIN MONONITRATE (VITAMIN B1), RIBOFLAVIN (VITAMIN B2), FOLIC ACID], WATER, SUGAR, YEAST, SALT, SOYBEAN AND/OR CANOLA OIL, ENRICHMENT (CALCIUM SULFATE, VITAMIN E ACETATE, VITAMIN A PALMITATE, VITAMIN D3), CALCIUM PROPIONATE (PRESERVATIVE), CALCIUM SULFATE, DATEM, MONO- AND DIGLYCERIDES, CITRIC ACID, SOY LECITHIN , SODIUM STEAROYL LACTYLATE, WHEAT GLUTEN, ETHOXYLATED MONO- AND DIGLYCERIDES."  2g added sugar per 47g serving, but also 20g of highly processed flour, which is as quickly broken down in the body as sugar.

Result: In a 99g sandwich, you have 17g of sugar and 20g of sugar-like flour, or effectively 37g of sugar.

Now, here's how I do PB&J:
Smucker's Natural Peanut Butter: PEANUTS, CONTAINS 1% OR LESS OF SALT.  0g added sugar.
St. Dalfour's Red Raspberry Jam: Raspberries 55%, Grape Juice Concentrate, Fruit Pectin.  Still contains 11g sugar/20g serving, but 2g of that comes from the Red Raspberry, and is still locked away inside the raspberry, making it harder to access.  Added sugar: 9g/20g serving.
Mrs. Baird's Sugar Free Whole Grain Wheat: WHOLE WHEAT FLOUR, WATER, YEAST, WHEAT GLUTEN, WHEAT BRAN. CONTAINS 2% OR LESS OF EACH OF THE FOLLOWING: SOYBEAN OIL, MALT EXTRACT (CORN AND BARLEY), CRUSHED WHEAT, SALT, OAT FIBER, CALCIUM SULFATE, DATEM, CALCIUM PROPIONATE (PRESERVATIVE), GRAIN VINEGAR, MONOGLYCERIDES, ACESULFAME POTASSIUM, CITRIC ACID, POTASSIUM IODATE, SOY FLOUR, SOY LECITHIN. Contains 0g added sugar, 0g refined flour.

Result: In a 108g sandwich (The whole wheat is heavier), I get 9g of sugar.  Period.
 
2014-06-26 09:02:58 AM  

ikanreed: Dear god, stupid people:

not everything is about "trying to dodge responsibility"

Sometimes, and this is crazy, I know, we like to actually understand what changed in society to allow for the changes we see in individuals.  Tools to help us shape future policy.  It's not "common sense" because it's actually trying to understand aggregate problems rather than engage in reductionist dismissals.


Shut up, nerd. Stupid scientists, trying to use "evidence" and "data" to come to conclusions. Just use common sense. Kids get fat because they're lazier now than when I was a kid, and parents have uniquely, for the first time in history, begun pampering them.
 
2014-06-26 09:07:25 AM  
Depends on how you define "food." I would say that kids eat too much garbage.
 
2014-06-26 09:09:34 AM  

Hermione_Granger: A lot of Farkers seem to have missed the part where parents have been arrested, charged with child neglect  or had their kids brought home by the cops for the terrible crimes of:

 -  Letting kids play in the yard alone
 -  Letting kids walk to the store alone
 -  Letting a kids walk a mile to a sports practice
 -  And worst of all: Walking with a child while male. Especially if the child is female

Farkers who think parents just aren't letting their kids outside need to spend some time reading Free Range Kids and some of the stories who have been cited for negligence for letting their kids out of their sight. Or had their child escorted home by the cops merely because they were walking alone.

If parents are paranoid, it's for good reason.


Your kids sound fat.
 
2014-06-26 09:46:48 AM  

Guest: I went for a walk and I past three play parks with no one in them. Should I send my daughter out to play by herself.


Kids today have lost spontaneity. They don't just go down to the park to see who is there. But they will make park dates. Which is weird to me but works for them, I guess. Mine are all old enough to do this completely on their own, but when they were younger, we'd walk down together, then I would go for a walk and give them a little space while they played.
 
2014-06-26 09:49:59 AM  

reillan: Shakin_Haitian: mr0x: Demiglace: I mean a fairly normal meal for a kid may be something like PB&J, but there's almost no protein in that, and it is mostly sugar and fat. So it isn't much wonder when a kid eats things like that and still is hungry (in my mind). Or you have some spaghetti for a meal with just some tomato sauce, it's just carbs and sugar.

Peanuts have lots of protein. The wheat gluten in spaghetti is also protein. PB&J has 10g of protein for 100g of PB&J and spaghetti has 8g per 140g.

That's barely any protein.

You don't need much.  Unless you're body-building, in which case you can modify your diet to eat a lot more nuts.  But literally every vegetable, fruit, and grain has protein, so you can get it from lots of different sources in your diet.

The real problem with PB&J is the sugar.  Let's look at what goes into a typical PB&J:

Jif Peanut Butter (the most popular): "MADE FROM ROASTED PEANUTS AND SUGAR, CONTAINS 2% OR LESS OF: MOLASSES, FULLY HYDROGENATED VEGETABLE OILS (RAPESEED AND SOYBEAN), MONO AND DIGLYCERIDES, SALT."  3g added sugar per 32g serving.
Smuckers Grape Jelly (highest seller on Amazon): "CONCORD GRAPE JUICE, HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP, CORN SYRUP, FRUIT PECTIN, CITRIC ACID, SODIUM CITRATE."  12g sugar per 20g serving.  Since grape juice is one of the most processed forms of sugar, we can count all of it as added sugar.  For strawberry, we might have a harder time, since it's unknown how much is strawberry and how much is other sweetener (in this case: HFCS, Corn Syrup, and Fruit Pectin are all added sugar).
Bimbo Soft White Bread (It's really hard to find info on the most popular bread brands, for some reason): "ENRICHED WHEAT FLOUR [FLOUR, MALTED BARLEY FLOUR, REDUCED IRON, NIACIN, THIAMIN MONONITRATE (VITAMIN B1), RIBOFLAVIN (VITAMIN B2), FOLIC ACID], WATER, SUGAR, YEAST, SALT, SOYBEAN AND/OR CANOLA OIL, ENRICHMENT (CALCIUM SULFATE, VITAMIN E ACETATE, VITAMIN A PALMITATE, VITAMIN D3), CALCIUM PROPIONATE (PRESERVATIVE), CALCIUM S ...


Well, you don't need a lot of things to stay alive, but they're necessary for a healthy body.
 
2014-06-26 09:55:36 AM  

NakedDrummer: Hmm.. Would be interesting to see results of like 3 kid families.

The usual is:
First kid: over protective. Clueless parents doing their best to keep kid safe. Ends Up Economics Major or something.
Second: parents getting the hang of it. Some what moderate.
Third kid: ok these rats are anything but fragile. Go mountain biking and play tackle football in the middle if the street. Good luck with your music major.


NOPE

First kid gets coddled until second kid comes along, then first kid gets treated as your second step.
Second kid gets coddled until the Baby is born, then First kid gets bumped to third step, and second kit gets bumped to second step.
Baby gets coddled until college.

First Kid also has higher discipline standards because: You're the oldest! You should know better! What sort of example are you giving your younger siblings!?!?

Second Kid gets mediocre discipline, hence their feeling constantly forgotten. Middle children= either highest acheivers or attention whores in some other respect: Class clown.

Youngest Kid hardly gets any discipline, but when they do get it, it tends to be more severe, because of the abundance of resources that can now be stripped from the kid.

/First kid.
// God help you if there's a fourth kid in the mix.
 
2014-06-26 10:33:37 AM  

Shakin_Haitian: Well, you don't need a lot of things to stay alive, but they're necessary for a healthy body.


True, but protein isn't like you're thinking... the amount you need for a healthy body is relatively tiny - 56g/day for a man.   In the case of that sandwich I created for myself, I get 13g protein in a single sandwich, and I'll eat two sandwiches in a meal.  That means 26g in a single meal.  If I do that 3x a day (I won't, but the other foods I eat will still have plenty of protein on their own), I'll get 56g easily.

Just about everything you eat, except fruit, has enough protein that regular eating of it will give you all you need.  Fruit is lower in protein but still contains a tiny bit.

What's funny is that protein is also bad for us in a few ways.  One of the key ways has to do with a process called "cell death".  Cells have a fuse, basically, like a stick of dynamite.  When that fuse runs out, the cell dies.  Protein causes this fuse to burn faster, killing cells faster and leading to premature aging.
 
2014-06-26 10:37:03 AM  
And for one more point before you say it - we used to believe that you couldn't get all of your essential proteins from plants... that there were proteins your body couldn't synthesize that you could only get from animal protein.  Well, it's true that your body can't synthesize those, but it's not true that they're not found in plants - in fact, every plant contains every protein, although obviously some plants contain less protein than others.

Still, it's important to eat animal products (I prefer cheese, fish, eggs, and milk) to get Vitamin B12, which *is* only found in animal products.
 
2014-06-26 10:40:32 AM  

Demiglace: Ninja Otter:
It's more than just people not putting the fork down.

It does seem worth looking into why people aren't just satisfied from what they've eaten.


Agreed. I suspect that medical science will make significant progress in lower side-effect appetite suppressants (amphetamines work, but they tend to boost blood pressure, etc.) in the next couple of decades, but it would be nice to understand why it became more of an issue in the first place.
 
2014-06-26 10:56:03 AM  

mr0x: baconbeard: People are fat because they eat too much and don't get enough exercise. It really *is* as simple as that.

/"genetically" obese for the first 45 years of my life
//have lost 75 lbs since Dec 21, 2013 by counting calories and getting regular exercise
///no longer diagnosed with sleep apnia, metabolic syndrome, or pre-diabeetus

Been there, done that.

However, the harder challenge is maintaining the weight. Will the weight come creeping back when the central focus of your life is not diet and exercise?

Lost 70 in 2012/ Was down to slightly below 20 BMI. Now I gained back 20 in 2013-2014.


I saw a paper recently: a meta-analysis of which kinds of weight loss interventions work best to keep weight off long-term.

Result: None - because approximately nobody ever loses weight and keeps it off for more than a couple years.

Saying "all you have to do is eat less" explains nothing - the much more interesting and relevant question is "what's making people want to eat too much?" And the usual pat answer to that question ("people just suck These Days") also explains nothing.
 
2014-06-26 11:00:01 AM  

Ninja Otter: Demiglace: Ninja Otter:
It's more than just people not putting the fork down.

It does seem worth looking into why people aren't just satisfied from what they've eaten.

Agreed. I suspect that medical science will make significant progress in lower side-effect appetite suppressants (amphetamines work, but they tend to boost blood pressure, etc.) in the next couple of decades, but it would be nice to understand why it became more of an issue in the first place.


Everyone has pet theories, mine:

- "Superstimulus" foods
- Some hormonal feedback system being disrupted by some yet-unknown environmental factor
- Rampant economic insecurity (triggering an evolved response of "eat a lot, while you still can")

I'm skeptical of scientific progress in this area, because of the near-universal view of obesity as a pure moral failing.
 
2014-06-26 11:24:42 AM  
When I was a kid in the early 60s, you got a soda pop maybe once a week, and you split a 10 oz bottle with a sibling.
You got a candy bar maybe once a week IF you were lucky.
A trip to the candy store meant maybe getting candy, but a cap gun or a roll of caps would last much longer.
In order to fend off boredom, you could walk anywhere, unattended.
Be home by dark, don't get hurt.

No body got shot in school.
We all were slim.

Fat kids just weren't around.
When the carnival came to town, you could pay a quarter to see real, live freaks in a tent.
There were people covered with tattoos, and women with facial hair, and morbidly obese people.
They were FREAKS of nature.

Now, they are in line eating deep fried oreos at the fair.
 
2014-06-26 11:38:51 AM  
You can chain kids to your radiator to keep them from running off, but they won't get fat unless you allow them to stuff their gaping pieholes with, well, pie. And chips. And hot dogs. And pizza. And candy. And Hot Pockets. etc.

Eating too much is what causes people to be overweight. Yeah, inactivity is a factor, but it's a fairly small one.

The stuff I see people loading up their grocery carts with is probably a clue as to what's making us fat.
 
2014-06-26 12:10:12 PM  

Gyrfalcon: NakedDrummer: Hmm.. Would be interesting to see results of like 3 kid families.

The usual is:
First kid: over protective. Clueless parents doing their best to keep kid safe. Ends Up Economics Major or something.
Second: parents getting the hang of it. Some what moderate.
Third kid: ok these rats are anything but fragile. Go mountain biking and play tackle football in the middle if the street. Good luck with your music major.

Fifth kid (my sister): Just make sure Kennan doesn't eat anything sharp!


Nth kid, we find ourselves saying things like, "Don't carry the baby by its neck."

I have to try really hard not to be super protective. I literally turn around when they're wrestling so I don't see the odd contortionist stuff their necks can do.

/so many kids, only one trip to the ER so far
 
2014-06-26 01:13:24 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: And Hot Pockets. etc.


Yeah,
I try not to eat any food that didn't exist when I was a kid.
58 years old with a 34 inch waist.
 
2014-06-26 02:06:08 PM  

Gaseous Anomaly: I'm skeptical of scientific progress in this area, because of the near-universal view of obesity as a pure moral failing.


While this is true, if you lose weight -- regardless of the method, be it diet+exercise or gastric banding -- you're viewed as no longer having that moral failing.
 
2014-06-26 02:08:16 PM  

Gaseous Anomaly: Ninja Otter: Demiglace: Ninja Otter:
It's more than just people not putting the fork down.

It does seem worth looking into why people aren't just satisfied from what they've eaten.

Agreed. I suspect that medical science will make significant progress in lower side-effect appetite suppressants (amphetamines work, but they tend to boost blood pressure, etc.) in the next couple of decades, but it would be nice to understand why it became more of an issue in the first place.

Everyone has pet theories, mine:

- "Superstimulus" foods
- Some hormonal feedback system being disrupted by some yet-unknown environmental factor
- Rampant economic insecurity (triggering an evolved response of "eat a lot, while you still can")

I'm skeptical of scientific progress in this area, because of the near-universal view of obesity as a pure moral failing.


Very interesting thoughts. I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter.
 
2014-06-26 03:01:56 PM  
It's shame we don't feel our streets are safe enough to let our children play unsupervised.

Here's a story on how the play ranges of children have shrunk in three generations.

i.dailymail.co.uk

source
(yes, it's the daily mail, but ...)
 
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